The 10 Least Fun Commanders in EDH
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- What are the least fun commanders to play against in all of EDH? It's time to answer that question!
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Nitpicking Nerds
It's time to countdown the ten least fun commanders! We have done the ten most fun commanders in the past, and wanted to provide a bit of the opposite end of the spectrum and let you guys know what we think are the worst commanders to play against, the most hated commanders to see from across the table. You see these cards and groan a little internally, or maybe externally too. These can be some of the hardest commanders to beat, and as a result some of them have become the most disliked commanders. Either way, this list is all in good fun and is only our opinion! Enjoy!
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We have a friend in our EDH group who is notorious for rage quitting if you interact with his board. His Narset rage quit takes the cake. He cast Narset and it got board wiped. Next turn he cast it again and I blew it up with Jund Charm XD. He packed up immediately and left. There is no balance to that commander. If we leave it up for one turn he wins. I don't know what he expects.
What a poopy baby, how can you play a must kill commander and then rage when the combined resources of three other players manage to kill it? lol
I've had to recast Zur for over 10 mana I think, in a 1v1 game... Certain commanders are not going to be allowed to do their thing, because that 'thing' generally results in them either winning or gaining huge advantage. If you run that sort of commander, you need to be ready to be hated out sometimes, just like the suckers playing have to accept they have a higher than normal chance of losing unpleasantly.
Stop inviting him. That behavior will change real quick
LOL Narset decks/players are silly ;p
I don't shame anyone's wincons, since it's a game where you play to win and can use whatever cards that are legal to use. That in mind, don't get upset when you get hated from the game because of that. I play commanders such as Gitrog and Augustin because I like combos and control, but I understand that I will get hate and I deserve it. Others want to win as well and I try my best to stop them from doing that.
The best 1 mana 1/1 commander would be Elesh Norn because it would kill all the other 1 mana 1/1 commanders at the table.
true, it gets into a sort of metagaming. We are excited to make this nonsense video
Watching this as a [number 1 on this list] player:
"I bet Augustin IV is number 1"
Video gets to 1:
"Oh..."
My first ever Commander was Grand Arbitor deck. I always would be the first to lose (cause you know. First time playing magic.) Now I take down the Wolf Whale Partner unblockable decks and teir1 Markov decks at the same time. Feels absolutely disgusting. So yeah, I would agree with your pick for number 1. Luhmoaw
same
Augustin is a necessary evil to even the field between the ramping player and those stuck behind.
Kinda' surprised Urza isn't on this list. He has all the ramp and much of the value generation of Chulane, his wincon is printed right on him, and he encourages you to play stax like Derevi.
He was really close to making it, we are not huge fans of him either
100% agreed Urza stax is like swimming in bubblegum
I've never heard that saying before lol
Yes, Urza is powerrrrfulllll. I love to play him, no stax though, my doughter (5 yrs old) likes him due to the fact that he wears a dress... Aunty Urza!
I literally stopped playing Commander in my LGS because of a Urza player.
Stupid deck idea: Emrakul, but single player hug. You take your opponent’s turn and just help him win the game.
100% gonna make this now
I love it
Damn, I need an Emrakul to help the newbies around be better now !!
Mommy emrakul
Top 10 Strongest Commanders When you Add a Color to their Identity
I really like that idea too!
@@NitpickingNerds Fynn the Fangbearer would love the addition of black.
@@milohobo9186 yes he word
@@milohobo9186 speaking of commanders that like Deathtouch...Kelsien the plague would be SO much better being Jund over Mardu.
As someone who’s had a Yuriko deck, never destroy Yuriko when given the opportunity, always take out the flyers/unblockables.
Too bad she’s not a rogue
Having to constantly clear every single unblockable, which often have hexproof/shroud, is so freaking obnoxious though. If not impossible, in a lot of games.
My derevi deck is actually a dumb bird tribal deck lol. I basically cast birds, try to do damage with my little birbs, then untap the lands and cast more. It goes off often but I never feel like its oppresive. Plus I usually run little-to-no removal sinceI have more fun watching friends go crazy rather than winning.
Bit late to reply but I feel the exact same way. I hate running infinite combos in my decks because most of the time I just win in turn 4 or 5. And that's not fun for me or my friends. I'd rather play some janky ass deck that takes 10 turns to win because that way my friends get to play with their decks too. It's not just about me winning, they should win too. That's what the game is about. Having fun. And if no ones having fun, then what's the point
@@unironiccommunist4161 ill stick to my pod of a kess deck, a zur deck, derevi stax, and gitrog
Its hilarious watching 3 infinite combo players and a stax player fight for control
I hate my friends Nekusaur deck
Draw cards
Thanks for coming to my ted talk
more like a haiku
"IT'S INCALCULABLE HOW BLOWN OUT YOU'RE GETTING WHEN THEY STEAL YOUR PERMANENTS!" Best line.
I welcome any mathmatician to try and crunch these numbers, they're uncrunchable!
♾ for 1 blow out
You guys should revisit this. A year later and I kind of wonder if the top 10 has changed at all. I bet it wouldn't be the same list now.
First time I cast Emrakul the promised end in my Torbran deck I targeted a Skittles player and went ahead and used his Strip Mine, Tectonic Edge, and Geth's Verdict to leave him with 1 land and no board state. He scooped immediately. So yea, "ruin target player" is what Emrakul really says.
I hate that card so much it my least favorite card to play against in all of magic!
Purphoros is definitely on the list for me. It's really hard to justify enough slots in decks to exile enchantments quickly enough to not die. I think you're right that commanders you can't interact with are the most annoying.
Purphoros is a good one, he was close to our top ten too. His impact is huge and the fact that he nails each opponent makes him a really good card.
Would love to see a one mana 1/1 list lmao
Honestly that nonsense might happen as a bonus video at this point haha
Honestly I feel emrakul the promised end would be hands down the most powerful. You literally can recast it so often to lock every player out
I recently built Oloro
Combo/control/Stax, and my playgroup usually has a pretty good time playing against the deck because it puts a timer on the game before the stax get too crazy. they are also a bit higher power level than casual though. When we are playing higher per level decks, The table usually looks something like
yuriko, Oloro, Krark/Sakashima and Kenrith and it's super fun because we are all on the same page as far as pwr level goes. They don't groan when stasis or winter orb or Suppresion feild or cursed totem or Void mirror or blind obedience or authority of the Consuls or teferi or Kambal or any other staxy peices come out. Instead they laugh and the game becomes more interesting. I think what I'm trying to say is as long as you are playing your Pwr lvl 8 decks against decks that are equivalent then everyone has fun (most of the time) but it also sucks when you are new or less into magic and you sit at a table with some crazy decks and get boned every time. Talk with your playgroup and don't be that guy that just wants to beat eveyone down everytime. Enjoy yourself and enjoy your friends :)
When you cheat tax..it tends to get pretty annoying.
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I do have a yuiko deck but usually my friends don't mind her, but the two commanders they kill on sight when I summon them are Liesa, Shroud of Dusk, she is in my life gain so commander tax doesn't actually bother me since you can pay life instead for her. The other one they kill on sight is my Olivia Vandelkin, because I will take their creatures from them. If I take a creature its a key one for their deck to stall their deck or so I don't have to keep dealing with triggers for it. I often don't attack them with their own creatures I use it more like a detain.
The only good memory I have about player control effects is when my Gonti picked a Mindslaver from some random guy who cruised into our LGS. Used it on him, saw he's got Mikaeus+Ballista in hand and made him shoot himself while the rest of us went on with the game.
That's pretty funny, instead of winning for yourself outright you got to make a statement!
Korvald but really it is about the player. I had to stop playing with a guy who would ramp into mass land destructions stax stuff because he would rage and make the game miserable if we tried to stop it from happening. The deck was annoying but the attitude was the deal breaker.
I have a korvold sagas deck and that it and it's funny to use
Jhoira of the Ghitu.
Every single game against Jhoira is the same: suspend Jokulhaups or Obliterate or whatever and some stuff to kick you while you're down, then watch the time counters like some horrible, twisted hourglass. Grinding my teeth just thinking about that card.
Yeah that card is super lame. I think it i one we forgot
Jhoira revealed a side of me a didn’t know existed 1-on-1 against a frie… ex-friend.
Prossh is what got me into commander. I feel guilty playing my favorite deck.
It's so fun though. Like I get there points here bit damn Prossh decks are just crazy fun.
By the way do you play cards like Obelisk of Urd, Impervious Greatwurm, Mob, Endless Obedience, and Nissans Expidition in your deck? I love using his token as free Mana rocks!
Nothing feels better than casting skull clamp right after you cast prossh
At this point, using Prossh instead of Korvold is completely acceptable
Definitely agree with this. People should think about how singled out some people can be with certain cards, and how some cards simply aren’t fun to play against, that is, if they care about how much fun their opponents are having lol
Right! If you're in a regular playgroup, you should be open-minded about potentially cutting cards. I cut Emrakul the Promised End from one of my decks, and I rarely play cyclonic rift just of my own volition. It's not an interesting magic card to me
Zur just called, he wants to know why he wasn't on the list. 😂
Once they ban necropotence he will lose his powers lol
@@NitpickingNerds I somewhat disagree with that idea, can you explain why?
It’s mostly joking because zur is like having necropotence in the command zone
Zur definitely should have been on the list. Being able to fetch whatever is needed to shut the opponent down and put op commander shutdown enchants on hexproof creatures... having every game being loss by fetching the same cards every time... is infuriating
came across this video way late but the number one now is 4-color omnath because it's impossible to not put you 8 mana ahead of your opponents by turn 3 and then the game is over
One of the guys in our playgroup has a Talrand deck and, in a nutshell, it has just about every cast-able counterspell printed, and a few ways of returning spell to his hand - and his absolute favorite is Cyclonic Rift - over, and over, and over again. We're basically just sitting there waiting to die (because we can't cast anything of consequence) from a handful 2/2 Drakes.
You guys are awesome and chill. Keep up the great work my dudes
Aqublue3dsi thanks glad you enjoy the content
Memnarch was my first mono blue commander and i absolutely loved playing it
How did the Sen Triplets NOT make this list?? I’m shook.
Barely anyone plays it anymore.
Played against a Narset deck... dude was getting mana screwed (5 lands on turn 12 or something), dude Armageddon’s and scoops. Before anyone says anything about land destruction, we were playing competitive decks. The thing that ticks me off is that he scooped right after setting everyone back so much.
I'd say I was successful making true, low power Jank Chulaine deck. Every crab card ever printed was put into the deck and it is used to run three colour Bant Crab Tribal. Surprisingly it has won once via Approach of the Second Sun. :P It is a good test deck to asses the power of a new deck brew. If a deck cant beat the crab tribal or struggles to do so then it needs some work :P Plus its fun to have at least one meme deck in ones collection. Great video guys, gotta say I agree completely and enjoyed the video!
:0 I *NEVER* thought I'd see another person running crab tribal- I just run mono blue with Charix as the commander tho. It's basically garbage blue cards and every crab ever printed- It's known in my friend group as "Crab Rave"
@@cinderycinder2155 Amazing! We are few in number but we do exist! Lets GO CRAB TRIBAL! Charix was going to be my Commander but I couldn't Bring myself to cut the 6 non blue crabs and lose the power of "Shambleshark, Sharktocrab, Scuttlegator, Riptide Crab, Growth Chamber Guardian and the Green/Blue Artifact Creature that Simic Keyrune can become haha! I love it! Sounds like a very fun deck you have there as well! Crab Rave all game long!
I would love to see the decklist
I love playing with bad tribes, made an atog tribal deck the other day
I would argue for animar, soul of elements because that deck is never not degenerate and for some reason gets protection from the best colors for spot removal.
My buddy put every extra combat spell and extra turn spell in his Narset deck so he can basically win the turn he plays her. He usually gets it out by turn 3 or 4 with all the mana ramp he put in it as well
My brother have a muldrotha that is really a pain, I got surprised you guys didn't mentioned that commander but nice video, first I saw 😁
I played in a game with my now nonexistant ur dragon once. He was killed a total of 6 times leaving me to have to cast him for 23 mana. I got to cast him that final time before the game was finished. I told the guy he officially broke my previous record that night.
Emrakul, the promised end can also be used in Group Hug 🤗 decks. You can choose thd player who is in last and help them 😁.
I would like to add to your list.
Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain: for similar reasons to Narset and Chulane combined
Gaddock Teeg and Grand Arbiter Augustin: Superpowered versions of Kambal
Morophon the Boundless: His deck will include all your tribal cost reducers like Urza's Incubator and Herald's Horn, then cast morophon and it is basically Omniscience at that point.
Urza, Lord High Artificer: for obvious reasons
SIsay, Weatherlight Captain (I actually have this one). My brother put it best "Wizards: we don't like repetitive play patterns. Also Wizards: prints Repetitive play patters the Commander"
I personally like watching people vent about cards that annoy them, so you should do a video about each of the card types in that line.
Emrukel decks are hard to come by since you'd only be allowed colorless lands and colorless spells which would be hard to make a decent deck with. Devoid doesn't count for color identity so can use that for the deck either.
I was very much expecting The Gitrog Monster to be mentioned. What’s your guys’ opinion on him as a commander?
We think he's not that bad actually, but it depends on the build. typical Gitrog might be like 6/10 annoying level
I have to interject on Derevi's part. He doesn't necessitate a stax strategy. He's good in a stax strategy, but there are a bunch of less oppressive strategies he can go with, where he's just a very good commander. In my playgroup, I have a Derevi Enchantress Combo deck, and another guy plays Derevi at the helm of a tokens deck, and another guy has an activated abillities deck with Derevi at the helm.
Thanks guys! Looks like I’m building Chulane! I really dislike Roon because it counters everything over and over.
you can respond to yuriko's triggered ability, that's the proper time to remove her to avoid the whirlwind damage.
The problem with partner is its becoming a must use machanic.
not exactly. Aside from Thrasios, most of the other partners are rather weak by comparison. They do enable colors, but still, your commanders itself won't be all that strong compared to other stuff with a solid mechanic built in. Is really hard to match the sheer power of Chulane, Yarok, Jhoira, Korvold, Golos or Tergrid via partners, and thats to name just a few, there are plenty of commanders that are both engine and/or wincon with a much stronger effect once in play.
Only you could get away with that “But you’re no patron.” and that laugh, Joe 🍒.
Super new to the format here, and I'm thinking about building Brudiclad from scratch on a relatively low budget. That said, what does everyone think of it in general? Is it a must kill for you as soon as games start? Or is it more of a "I guess I'll deal with it if it starts going off, but its generally off the radar otherwise and I'll deal with other threats in the meantime" type of thing? Looks like it isn't as fast or as oppressive as those on these least fun lists, but that's just me.
I think brudiclad is one of the coolest commanders to build around. Because he has haste it’s harder to get blown out when you try and have an explosive turn. We do have a brudiclad deck tech from earlier if you don’t mind a slight video quality dip
I'm suprised Megeta the Lion isn't on the list, he's a walking wrath of God that can be repeated
"that's not how any other commander works"
no other commander is a ninja
Zur as 1 mana 1/1 would be insane. One untap go get necropotence lol also could get stuff to protect himself like diplomatic immunity
When people say it’s annoying or un-fun when their opponents play good cards is dumb.
I was just quick skipping through the video to find a card that’s legal in brawl and the number 1 ended up being my personal favorite commander. I run it on MTGA in a landfall deck and if I get it moving well it’s beautiful
I used this link to TCG Grave Titan. You're welcome :)
I built a chulane over quarantine as fairly competitive and when i got to play I was pretty disappointed and seldom break it out now. I'd have him as number 3 or 4 behind some combo of Urza, Aggy4, Sen, Narset, or derevi. I have a pretty oppressive Estrid Prison that generates near chulane value through enchantresses and serra sanctum but it has so much money sunk it is what it is.
Special bonus round of punish and group slug commanders for being well this going to be rough; Kaervek 1 and 2, Klothys, Ruric Thar, Elly N, zozu, Thantriss, and hidetsugu.
I like this top10, it shows how not very casual my how playgroup has become. We have a Yuriko thassa/consult, Derevi stax, a Kambal and im playing land destruction Windgrace…
I have a ton of commander decks and two of mine popped up on this list Yuriko and Chulane. They only come out when I'm really itching for a good chance to win so I agree with this. My friend has a Krenko deck that burns all opponents super fast. I was hoping to see Krenko on here lol
Why was urza not on the list? (I’m legitimately curious) He almost forces you to play stacks pieces in your deck, just use winter orb and then win. I’ve never played against him but it seems like it would be awful
Yuriko is unique and fun imo:D I dont mind tbh! There's A LOT more bigger "mistakes" in printings much much worse than a 1/3 ninja lmao
“Taking players turn ruins the fun”
Me: laughs in Daretti using mindslaver
The first EDH deck I made was Jhoira of the Ghitu I thought she had a really cool ability I had these big dreams of cramming my deck full of wheel of fortune effects and other draw 7's and chaining them off one after the other but no one ever wanted to play against me, her ability was too broken. I made a Garza Zol plague queen deck after that it was a lot more casual and also more fun to play with. I learnt pretty guickly games tended to be better if you toned down the power of your deck a bit.
I play a narset deck but it's budget and I try to only win using storm cards like grapeshot or ignite memories. It's definitely an easy target but I think it can definitely be built to be less annoying for other players
strongest deck is Kambul. your statement of "He's annoying enough to feel it but, not enough to use a removal spell" is literally my play groups feeling. he basically only gets hit either late game or by board wipes. so much fun.
He's such a jerk!
Any commander that says draw a card. Korvald, Jhoira, they all end up where you just sit their as they draw through their deck
Sometimes they lean on the commander's power. I miss the old c12 commander power level! Dagnabbit
Expected Sen Triplets, especially if Emrakul was so bad for turn control, since she is colorless. Maybe Skittles, since it's the only Infect LC to command. It's too bad I like Yuriko; my group hyper-targets Commanders, so any way to minimize Command tax is so great. Otherwise, fun video!
I have an emrakul deck because i like eldrazi and have been seriously considering changing it to a zozilek deck because of how long i take to shrew over my opponents. I have essentially learn their deck for a turn. Its not that fun mostly because i like a game to have a nice pace to it.
Personally don’t think Yuriko should get any hate. She’s got power 8 or 9 with a good build but she’s far from cedh and can still be stopped. First commander deck I ever invested in, I love my ninja deck 😁
I have no issues with the majority of her but the commander ninjutsu is worthy of disdain. Sorry but rather stupid she can ignore one of the core mechanics in EDH itself.
Hi, have you planned to do an updated most fun commanders? I really like the two you have made and could use an updated one
My Narset deck contains only noncreature spells that target players. I ask if someone if they would allow Narset to hit them. If they do I place the 4 cards face down on the table and the defender chooses the targets. The deck is a mix of Boons (Time Stretch) and Banes (Overwhelming Splendor).
I'm thinking about putting Zacama in my Jared Carthalion deck lol there's a couple ways to cheat creature's onto the field so as soon as it hits the field I'll be able to pump all the mana into his 3 damage ability, targeting Jared Carthalion and making him huge! Lol
Kinda surprised not to see gaddock teeg on the list. Would be really cool to see the 10 most fun commanders to play against.
We've done the ten most fun commander to play WITH, I had thought we'd done that but it seems like we haven't. Might have to get that done, along with maybe another ten most fun commanders to play with
Have you ever played against an 8-9 power level mairsil deck? It consistently and easily controls the whole board. Plus it is quite hard to interact with because of it's ability to blink itself through multiple forms of removal. It isn't a commonly played commander, so it doesn't receive too much recognition. I've only ever piloted it, but it was so overbearing I had to take it apart cuz no one was happy about seeing it. Just curious to see what your thoughts are. Definitely not the same power level over all as some of these commanders. But it makes up for it in cheekiness.
Gaduck teeg, linvala, child of alara a few others but that is what comes to mind
was expecting atraxa to make the list. I have played against an atraxa group hug deck to be fair. so my personal experiences haven't been all negative.
She's not linear enough we thought, because you can build like any deck ever with her. Maybe the planeswalker decks are annoying but I have found those to be pretty weak in general
Very good list :D
Really any dampener deck or stax are just boring. They don't seem fun to play, and they definitely aren't fun to play against.
Surprised to not see Gaddock Teeg on this list. Many of the best non-creature spells are CMC 4 and greater, and depending on your deck, this creature could very well shut it down.
Sure, there's a few boardwipes that are CMC 3 and below, but many of them are either limited in scope (Slagstorm/Pyroclasm, Perish, Nature's Ruin, etc.), have some sort of requirement that you have to build into (think Dead of Winter), or have a drawback to them (like Bontu's Last Reckoning). That often leaves you with just spot removal to work with, and in a deck like that, Mother of Runes and Giver of Runes are usually lurking in the shadows somewhere.
Honorable Mentions:
1. Lord Windgrace in a Stax/MLD shell. (Any Walker + MLD [Obliterate especially] is usually GG.)
2. Meren of Clan Nel Toth in a Reanimator shell (because it's way too easy to barf out EXP. counters with her).
3. Jhoira of the Ghitu. (MLD? Check. Paradox Haze? Check. Interstellar Squidbillies? Check. Force of Will for your opponents' Force of Will? Check.)
4. Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur. (Let's play a game called "Don't let me get to 10 mana".)
5. Leovold, Emissary of Trest. (Timetwister? Gross. Chains of Mephistopholes? **_heaves_** I for one am glad it's banned.)
I'm sure there's plenty of others but I can't think of any right now...
I made a deck around General Marhault, Elsdragon - Force blocking with various Unicorns and Lures. I found people tend to grown when I bring them out
One of my friends play Niv-Mizzet Parun + curiosity/obsidian eye/etc. It's extremely uninterective 1 card + commander combo. He basically sits the whole game with empty board not interacting with us and then *bang* - he wins the game out of nowhere
it is only fun so many times
I’m surprised to not see Brago, King Eternal on this list. Play groups near me loath this card.
I am a devoted Sultai (Sidisi
Kinda weird to find Emmy worse than the Triplets I'd argue. Shocked to not see my boy Zur on there, he is the most consistent thing I've ever seen, even on a low budget he can get very out of hand, and games tend to be very similar. They also feature a lot of shuffling, and if they use Necro, they might be slow with the discard.
I really don't like playing against wheel decks, especially Nekusar. I'm not going to know my gameplan until after the player wheels, and it just slows everything down so much. On top of that, everyone is almost guaranteed interaction because of the velocity they're drawing through their decks, so it feels like you're almost guaranteed to be playing into countermagic or removal.
It is really frustrating to have everyone's hands supercharged, and a lot of the time Nekusar still wins if people don't include enough removal in their deck. Kill Nekusar, get with the plan people! If he wants to win you know wheeling is good for that player and not you!
I broke up my Nekusar deck a few sessions after building it, turbo-charging my opponents draws into new cards was not a good plan in my playgroup.
@@tonyedwards6073 You could always go the opposite route and play discard tribal instead. Rather than dealing all the damage at once, make them have to topdeck and win via attrition. Slap a Painful Quandary or other similar effects down too and call it a day. I'm sure your opponents will love that it's not a wheel deck!
I play antiwheel which just runs the stuff that makes you draw nothing after a wheel like narset and notion thief lol
As a Nekusar player, just remember that we're forced into the feeling of randomness as well unless we have an active Library of Leng. The only other saving grace we may have is effects like Waste Not or Geth's Grimoire so we're drawing enough cards to be less random.
Unless we fill those requirements, we're just here to make sure everyone has a full hand, and one life per card is a pretty good bargain considering a lot of newer black effects ask for two life to draw one.
Kenrith, the Returned King. Speaks for itself.
For me:
Mizzix of the Izmagnus: take all the extra turns . . . or Yawgmoth, Thran Physician with anything undying would be the top of my list.
I was about to say where's memnarch, my brother has it and it is infuriating, especially playing with Golos big creatures
Ayyyy we got you! Show him this
@@NitpickingNerds He just watched it and only said he doesn't agree with Yuriko cause it's kinda epic playing against ninja tribal
Haha she is pretty epic. But she would be just as epic as a fair magic card :P
worst for me is any tutor general(zur), then any combo general(zakama), then any general with an entire gameplan written on the card(chulane).
I have a friend who plays both Zacama and Emrakul. Both are brutal to play against.
WOW. I have built so many of these in the past. No wonder why my play group was happy that I made new Commander decks. My current are Kenrith, the Returned King., The Locus God., Muldrotha, The Gravetide., Feather, the Redeemed., Gavi, Nest Warden., Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait., Jhoria, Weatherlight Captain., Oona, Queen of the Fae.
Kenny be toxic af
"Evading tax is annoying!"....why? The details of Why the spam is powerful is important. But then there are dozens of cards that have alternative ETB effects that aren't talked about at all. Nobody complains about Mutate, for example
yeah, my playgroup doesn't use license "commander" products. If it references the existence of the command zone, it's probably crap.
I don't have an Emrakul deck but I run it in my Kozilek, the great distortion deck
Kozilek is another insanely strong commander, but we think he's a lot cooler
@@NitpickingNerds Yeah he's annoying to play against but respectful and kinda cool
Kozilek is a favorite of mine to play against. Its like im going up against some indomitable force of nature, and thats a cool thought
Kozilek is best eldrazi prove me wrong
Korvold, Fae-Cursed King. Untap, draw, cast korvold, sac anger, draw, plus one plus one counter, trigger hardened scales, second plus one plus one counter. Go to combat, sacrifice a springbloom druid, plus one plus one counter and draw a card, trigger hardened scales, plus one plus one counter. Oh you flashed in a bigger creature than my 5 mana 8/8 flyer? Okay ill just sacrifice spore frog, because my value engine just wouldnt be complete without negating all the downsides of creature combat. Also two more plus one plus one counters and draw a card. Thats a pretty neat 10/10 on turn 4 but dont worry ill just do this again next turn with one of my thirty creatures that sacrifice a permanent and / or themselves. Aaaand ill just recur spore frog every turn or some other negating effect until i can swing through. Oh, did someone say Scapeshift Valakut?
Edit: Yeah I'm a bit salty about this card 😂😂😂
I think the worst with Korvold is when they play a way to sacrifice lands and then play extras, like oh okay I didn't realize this turn was about to take ten minutes let me collect my thoughts and you can text me when you get lethal with your Torment of Hailfire
@@NitpickingNerds oh yeah. Not to mention the classic that is Ramunap Excavator and a strip mine
Im comvincdd theres no way to play Korvold fairly lol
Sen triplets NOPE. You play with your deck ill play with mine. I actually put effort in playing MY deck.
Personally I think wizards needs to stop pushing commander and making cards JUST for commander. Part of the draw to commander was finding and making the decisions to put the right cards in your deck. We need less forced commander staples or made for commander cards.
I dunno, I like some of the weird made-for-commander cards that we got out of this push, not to mention more partners. If they can do it in moderation then I don't see why they shouldn't do a commander set every so often, rather than only having pre-cons and potentially ditching fun mechanics because they don't fit a current set's theme.
So my vorinclex isn’t on this list? Kinda disappointed. Thought my deck was annoying, looks like it’s not that bad lmao
I love ermakrul it is a bully deck but at first all you do is ramp with rocks and I love it. Although my favorite deck ever is goblin tribal krenko mob boss and rat tribal so take my opinions with a grain of salt
Thanks for this list of deck ideas
...wait a minute
I would love that 1 Mana 1/1 video, also not to be that guy but Im going to be building 2 decks off this list, given they're low on the list so it's not that bad and I'll absolutely be using that tcg link.
No hate towards Baral? Oh thank you guys
I play thrasios "counterspell tribal", with ishai for white enabling.
first three turns are always the same:
turn 1 - cantrip, nothing, or training grounds/mystic remora type spells
turn 2- thrasios
turn 3- hold up endless countermagic for the rest of the game, activating thrasios when nothing is threatening.
turn4+ = eventually have 20 lands on the field, thrasios' ability costs 1 or 2 mana (biomancer's familiar)(+wilderness reclamation, seedborn muse)
turn ?? = Nexus of fate is the only card in my deck, clear the board of creatures with cyclonic rift or supreme verdict, swing with a 1/3 a bunch of times.
you wanna talk about a deck being consistent, try playing a deck when EVERY SINGLE CARD in the deck does one of two things: make mana, or interact with the opponent.
36/37 lands, 50+ removal/counterspells, nexus of fate, wilderness reclamation, training grounds, seedborn muse, sol ring, arcane signet, thought vessel, mana crypt, rest in peace, regrowth, snapcaster mage, mystic remora, and I'm probably forgetting a card or two.
dismiss and dissolve, unwind are the only 3 counterspells without an alternative cost that cost more than 2 mana. I don't play any "counter unless they pay X" spells.
I don't play pact of negation, misdirection, or commandeer. Force of will, foil, force of negation, and fierce guardianship are the free ones I play.
the deck wins over 80% of the games I play with it.
I personally hate Ur Dragon as a commander. And I bet most of you would shudder at the thought of 5 color dragon tribal.
Best answer to Yuriko is either Darksteel Mutation or Oko^^
Chulane Golem Tribal... wiped the board 3 times. Recovered every time.
For your theoretical 1/1 for 1 list, I think it may be even better if you made them 0/1. Looking forward to it, even if you choose your inferior system!
We made it so it is better!
@@NitpickingNerds th-cam.com/video/TdXYVPv-gAI/w-d-xo.html
For all cards here...KILL ON SIGHT! Or... a Faith's Fetters. I'm also surprised that Urza isn't on this list. I'm also working on Urza. Favorite character. Of all time. His brother Mishra? Needs a time spiral revamp! Planeswalker style. Anyone? Anyone? No? Ok. Just me then.
Arcmage.