That happened to my Acura after the radiator failed and mixed the transmission fluid with the coolant after that I had a rubber hose blow every few days ...been good after I replaced all the rubber hoses
@@RTSELLS 25 inches you mean. That should not damage a good hose. If a hose or any other part fails after vacuum filling, then the part was already compromised.
Just showed my friend this video and he said change all the hoes'es... as if one has gone ,all will within 6mnts...he works for porsche services so knows the (996) 911👍👍👍👍
well ill let you know my 94 chevy with 260,000 miles original motor and trans purrs like a kitten whereas my 89 corolla with 200,000 breaks down at least once every few months
I think the people saying the oil damaged the hoses are right, going to have to replace them all. But even so, what are they all going to cost? $500? Better than a $10K engine. I'd also say mod away, if it adds to the value of the car, it's not like it's worth a fortune as it sits, although you are in Samcrac territory here.
The coolant hoses was probably not oil resistant in the first place. It seems that this would be a perfect time to contact FCP Euro and ask them to put a coolant hose kit together for you Randy.
I was thinking more along the lines of running water instead of coolant may have caused a lot higher pressure in the system that burst a hole in it. Water boils at a much lower temperature than modern coolants.
@@sinformant ...but the car never reached 212 degF based on the temp gauge....if it was below 212 then the pressure developed wouldn't be much different. The broken hose looks soft and pliable...all the signs of having aged/degraded possibly made worse by the oil in the coolant.
@ 16:43 - Noooo Randy. PLEASE. If there is one car you do not 'have fun with some mods' its a Porsche 911. I will keep repeating it "Originality is everything". Keep it original and you will find a buyer looking to pay Porsche money and you will make a profit. Mod it and you lose the genuine Porsche buyers and you are in Lottery Land. It is a lovely car though Randy. Well done finding it and restoring it to good health. God drives Porsche and he will bless you! ...lol If the oil does return I would be looking at the oil / coolant intercooler not a damaged head. It runs too well for that.
You are right. The more he spends on mods the less the car is worth. When I go looking for cars and I see mods I have to ask who did them and what was the quality of their work and how much is it going to cost me to get it back to where it was. He should leave it alone.
@@Ryan-mg7pd Porsche buyers look for, amongst many things, a particular Porsche sound. Its why Porsche never ever change it and spend $ Mns making sure they keep to that magic Porsche formula. The minute that car is fired up and it doesn't sound like a Porsche the Porsche buyer walks away. Go add 'straight throughs' to a Corvette or Viper if you must but some marques are special - Porsche, Aston Martin, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Ferrari. I am also not sure those wheels actually add anything but it is what it is and Randy has done great finding and buying a classic car. It would be a big mistake to remove the 'class' from the 'classic'. Just IMHO of course.
It depends on what you intend on doing with the car. If you want to make a profit. Make it the best stock example you can. BUT that won't get you TH-cam views and subs. If you want to have a bit of fun and make it unique and your own, mod the heck out of it. It's just a car not a Picasso or Monet. Put an exhaust on it, cold air intake, carbon fiber wing, nice rims, lower it 2", get a tune. That equals subs, views, and more money than he would have gotten from the car if he sold it as stock.
I think that motor oil in the cooling system because of its viscosity allowed for improper pressure build up and that in turn caused the weak hoses to pop . I'm wondering if the same thing can happen with laundry detergent..
The hoses are 20 years old anyway. Good preventative maintenance to just change them anyway. Better at home than on the side of the road or getting towed to a shop!
Randy,,,those hoses are splitting open because they are old...but when you do the vacuum it spreads the chords inside and hence splits them open. We stopped using this airlift machine in our shop for this exact reason.
I would put my money on some turkey having put the oil into the cooling system thinking he was putting it into the sump. Having said that you will have to replace ALL of the rubber hoses or you will soon blow one and cook another engine. Probably a $500 investment to save $8000 to $10000.
Hi Randy. I would replace all the rubber coolant hoses. Buy off e bay. If oil still gets into cooling system, its probably a crack in the oil cooler. Rev.
If that small y hose was $50 at the dealer and the hoses are all probably damaged from it oil in the system you should probably replace them all, but don't buy them from the dealer. You can probably get all the rest of the hoses from an aftermarket parts house for the price of that one at the $tealer! Gotta love VW/Audi hoses, wonder what a hose engineer makes at Porsche? I agree on no mod's get out of that thing before you are in too deep, let the new owner mod to taste!
The hoses are reinforced rubber, when you pull a vacuum on them you are pulling against the grain, they are designed to expand not contract. That kit might save time but its costing money. Essentially the hoses have a designed matrix embedded in them thats ideal for the forces involved i.e. straight line, curve t-piece etc. When you pull a vacuum you are reversing those forces. I wouldn't bother. That kit is more harm than good.
'99 are becoming a thing in the Porsche world... they were the first of the 996 generation, which then became the 997 and so that means the least complicated which equates to less weight and in a Porsche that is a good thing. If you want to modify a 996 modify a later version... and PS Thank you for saying Porsche and not Porsch.
Just replace all coolant system hoses. It will be less of a headache, especially now that you know the block should be mostly clear of oil in the coolant passages.
You have a ground strap cable ground problem. I see the running voltage in your car at 12 when it should be around 13.5-14v. it's the ground strap that connects to the back of the alternator, starter, and the frame. cable costs around 50-100. You'll know that you really have an issue that after the car is warm it's tough to start, slow to turn over.
@@jeremiajacksonsr.6053 Yes I agree, it was because of the oil but the vacuuming finished them off. Which is better on the driveway than on the highway...
one round of flushing is all you really needed to get almost all the erl out. sure you may have some residual erl left, but, thats a good thing...the coolant would still do its job, the small amount of erl in the system shouldnt affect the rubber hoses swelling hardly at all if any....and you would have extra lubrication in the system for the water pump and heater valves for longer life.
With as much oil that was in the cooling system its going to eating all the rubber hoses from the inside out. Your best luck would be to replace all the rubber hoses. It’s going to be battle. Find a silicon hose kit.
I so would have came up with my own T fitting or Y connector something out of plumbing parts anyting over spending that kind of money on such a ridiculous small part, that looks like it was designed to break.
If you stop putting a high negative vacuum on the cooling system then you will stop blowing out hoses. But really like the porsche content😊 You should post a link to the vids on some porsche forums, for some professional advice and of course views
If you gave Bob Moore your VIN would they give you the repair history on your car? Would be nice to know the details on your current engine. Rebuilt? New? Warranty on engine? Replaced how many miles ago?
I had a 996 and those hoses do blow so worth ripping out and replacing that last big one that was clasping. Cracked heads are pretty rare from others i know in the Porsche club. I think you will find you got a bargain may man.
i guess the hose died because of the vacuum you put into the system. that obviously broke the internal structure...it looked spooky when you put the vacuum on it.....
Yeah, Randy. Go ahead and replace all the coolant hoses. No sense in dicking around waiting for them to fail one at a time. Looks like a giant win. Good for you!😃
Randy before considering the head have you considered the engine oil cooler, you could remove it and have it pressure tested, if it was it could save disturbing the head,
Awesome work. The problems you're running into is due to the previous owners lack of maintenance , nothing more and not the cars fault. Kind glad someone who loves tinkering has this car now and working on it.
Waterless coolant is often a bad idea, it has nothing like the heat capacity of water, a few devotees like it because it has an extremely high boiling point so cars with marginal cooling don't boil over but in fact are still overheating.
That rubber Y fitting looks to be a pre designed failure point by Porsche! Other manufacture's do it as well like ford with the plastic pipe barb connecting two separate lengths of heater core hose rather then one continuous hose!!! Nothing compares to Ford putting profits over lives by the way that they use a SINGLE CYLINDER MASTER CYLINDER (LOOSE ONE BRAKE LINE & WHEN THERE IS NO BRAKE FLUID/PRESSURE, THE EMERGENCY BRAKE WILL NOT WORK & IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE YOU EGRESS/ BACK UP/ SECONDARY BRAKING SYSTEM) HOW ABOUT USING A DUAL CYLINDER MASTER CYLINDER TO BEGIN WITH? I thought a dual master was the STANDARD YET, FORD FINDS WAYS TO PUT PROFITS OVER LIVE'S!!!!!!
Uberman ! when the head is cracked white steam comes out the exhaust even when it is hot outside. This is not happening. Also the crank case will have water in it and this also is not happening. It is most likely fixed. Flush it out with water. I guessing you have success. Someone poured oil in the coolant and caused all these problems.Good fix. Your right oil soften up the hoses and probably more to come needing to be replaced.
So if I were to summarize how to clean the intermix from the system in 4 steps, it'd be 1. Drain old coolant through drain plug. 2. Put half gallon Shout mixed with water into the coolant system. 3. Run the car to operating temperature with heater ON. 4. Drain via coolant drain plug. These 4 can be repeated till there's no oil residue exiting via drain plug. Correct?
I love your videos Randy and I know almost NOTHING about cars ! My son's 1998 Porsche Boxter 2500L ground to a halt recently and the RAC man told him his engine was 'tight' after jacking it up ! The problem actually turned out to be the alternater and my tiny knowledge leads me to think he had ignored a warning light !!!! Anyway £200 rather than THOUSANDS OF POUNDS was a good outcome wasn't it ? Northumberland, England.
I am unlucky in life.....broke my back for the second time in my life at work. No settlement, just a fuck you and a have a nice day. And i have not one car to drive i call my own. I can barely afford food and medicine every month. I HOPE YOU CHERISH YOUR LIFE, ....MINE IS OVER WITH. GOD BLESS.
just watched this playlist, as soon as you put your finger in the coolant tank i said somebody put oil in the wrong spot as it was pure clean oil, the more you looked the more to me it seemed somebody did an oil change and filled up the coolant tank, it was FULL lol they proceeded to start the car which killed the original engine, that engine was changed as we know now with a brand new 1 but they did not clean out the coolant tank and as the system expanded and contracted some of the oil went through the system which is why the oil level never dropped and coolant never went typical milkshake colour just an dirty water colour, My wife whom is petrified of cars and car crashes also enjoys your vids especially the copart walk arounds, so its a win for me, greetz from Western Australia.
Randy - Check out Wheeler Dealers season 17, episode 1. They work on a 2000 Porsche 911/996 convertible. The big problem they say with the 996 is the intermediate shaft (IMS) bearing. If it fails it can trash the engine. They were concerned with theirs and it only had 65,000 miles.
Randy, just get all the rubber hoses replaced. Save the headache. Get it mechanically sound then worry about mods. FCP Groton was where I got my Genuine Volvo parts many years ago for my 1993 940GLE Turbo Wagon. FCP group is good in ensuring quality original parts.
You made A mistake there at the end. European cars don’t brake down. American build European brand cars are crap quality. I’ll guess it is either crap materials used, or Some people at the factory don’t like their job very much. If you get A german build AMG, Audi, VW, BMW or Porsche, you almost got A friend for Life quality wise.
If you keep using the air lift, you're gonna keep tearing up hoses. A cooling system isn't meant to have that much vacuum pressure. Atmospheric pressure (0) to maybe +20 psi is all she wants. Obviously some sort of vacuum happens when pressure changes with opening/closing of thermostat and system, but that's when it's full. Plastic tanks and rubber hoses shouldn't vacuum down like A/C systems. Also, the bottom drain won't get all air out of a system. Air goes up, not down. You would need to find the highest point of the pressurized cooling system to fully bleed off.
Randy I am making several Comments. Those hoses are a Common Failure The Lower hose you mentioned you might as well go ahead and replace while you replace the big hose you showed they are not that expensive the Hose needs to be replaced anyway. It is a recommended procedure from Porsche to replace all the hoses if the engine is Changed. After that you shouldn't have any more problems unless the Heater Core Collapses during the Pressure test which is Common. Looks like the old car is telling you what She Wants. When the system is deflated if there are old hoses or older hoses they Tear at the collapse point on the inside where the suction crease is created most tear between the inner and outer linings on the inside then they get weak and burst. It is not a big problem just a afternoon of work. Considering a Bare left door Trim Panel from Porsche costs $ 1650.00 - $2600.00 depends on the options. I don't have the VIN number. You can get Both Door Trim Panels Re-manufactured almost like new for about 600 bucks. There are some aftermarket panels available but they are not inexpensive. Those are Good Sports Cars and if you are a DIY better that Paying what the Dealership Charges and their Tech's are or may not do as good a Job as you can do. When those vehicles were built Porsche put in a small amount of Stop Leak in the system during the manufacturing process. Some manufacturers still do that. It is a Special coolant with the additive. Bet ya didn't know that did ya? LOL Have a Great day if you need anything else Let me know. I can Possibly get Porsche Parts at a Good Discount for ya. I used to work as a Contract Factory Representative for Porsche GMBH to get their Problem Child's fixed once and for all. I know those Vehicles very well. My only Concern is the Heater Core Failing but so far it has held. Those cars are not as complex as people make them out to be. I doubt there is a problem with the engine intermix of oil in the coolant. It most likely was the other engine. Study the Cooling System you will see why? This is 911 info on 9-11..... We all should pay Tribute to those who lost their Life on this day.
Used that same device to drain and refill cars for years doing collision work. Never ONCE, not once, did it ever ruin a radiator hose or any other hoses on ANY car. Porsche is using some type of rubber that is of less quality than other imports. And I have fixed thousands of cars. Idk what’s going on with Porsche parts but they are very expensive but not engineered very well🤷
Great deals on those Porsches, but has Bob Moore's service techs work on their engines?????? (See Part 1 of this Porsche adventure) BTW: Check the repair cost on that AMG or any Mercedes. New brakes every 20K miles, no thanks.
MMMMM, that hose probably costs 500.00 in Porsche world ..Enjoyed it and hope it works out for you. Those Mercedes are there and depreciate drastically for a reason, yes nice to look at and impressive performance but reliability and $$$$ to repair when broken?
Hey man I just wanna let you know there’s a website called FCPEURO that sells genuine and OE parts for all German cars. As well as ALL parts are backed with Lifetime warranty. And yes when I mean all. I mean all including your oil changes. Give them a shot man. You’ll definitely won’t regret it and you may save a few bucks too
Why are you using that suction fill on that older porsche? Of course you will bust hoses, they are not brand new. Theres nothing wrong with draining and filling the normal way, doing the burping method helps get a lot of the trapped air. Also youre buying cars from copart why are you dumping money on oem parts? Look on ebay for used, or new aftermarket hoses. Doesnt make sense to buy! Plus you over paid for this, MMR on a 1999 boxster is $7,700 at manheim auctions. If realistically speaking the market value of what car dealers will sell this for is 8-9,500. So you could have picked up a good running boxster for 7 grand without a blown motor, if you have an auctions license. Im not trying to give you a hard time, but ive been around the block with copart, newbies get this idea that just because a car is at copart, that means they are stealing it. Copart does have good deals, but the majority its overpriced. My advice for you, if the cleaning doesnt clean out the engine and the motor is blown, take that car back to copart and price it for the same amount you bid on it. This will be a money pit for you!
Although a Porsche is not on my horizon, your experience was fascinating enough to stay with the story through the end. Nice camera work, despite the high- and low-light conditions, and very much enjoyed your narrative of discovery. Most important, you helped dispel the myth, once and for all, that a Porsche is somehow immune to all the annoyances of a regular commuter car-- broken hoses, poor service at the hands of "somebody", and discovery of really bad materials design (as though the OEM wanted the part to fail). Thanks for the ride-- notice the superior yes-to-no ratio.
If the leak was at part number 32 on the list I sent there was a TSB not a public notification and all of them should have been previously replaced. It wasn't a recall just a Technical Service Bulletin sent out. Repairs were supposed to be Free when they were newer. It would have been done during a Oil change and the Customer would have not known. There were a lot of failures in Europe. It paid on Warranty .6 labor Hours. A lot of them Failed...
Call me weird but I Rather have the Lincoln Continental over the Merc AmG 63 or whatever it was. I’m seriously hoping this detergent trick works out on the 911! Keep the videos coming please.
Replacing coolant on a MGTF135 mid engine car I removed the radiator (at the front), flushed it many times and then did lots of heat cycles with clean water. Surprised at how long radiator took to get hot. Enjoyed doing job right. Wasn't any reason to do flush other than it hadn't been changed for a while (a long while).
F'n Bob Howard! I looked at a used car there after driving three hours from Wichita. I was promised it was perfect. No dents, no scratches, perfect interior. After waiting for 30 minutes while they touched up some nicks, we took it for a test drive. Did one more walk around and the driver's fender had a huge dent in it. The manager did nothing to satisfy the problem. Never buy from them!
6:30 Pro tip: When removing a bad hose, cut the hose before taking off clamps. You can move the pipes anywhere that makes it easy to get the clamps off. 19:00 Sounds like you need to replace all the coolant hoses in the car. They are probably all oil-damaged. Just bite the bullet, and replace them all.
Blue 996 Convertible looks sweet even if you did spend the top $j still say it’s worth it with bearings corrected and all other problems fixed you re good to go. Beautiful looker - convertible no less. My thinking is because of the Shout , the soap bubbles created more gas pressure thereby blowing any weak link ( hose) thus your leak on a minor hose. Tanks for the review .
Good stuff...your commentary is spot on and so is your video. I can actually see what you are talking about and your camera is more steady than a number of other channels (shaky camera work is the bane of any TH-cam viewing experience). Too bad about the other hoses breaking, but, at least you weren't in the middle of the freeway when it happened. Just sub'd and thumbs up!!
That gauge shows bar not psi...although 1 bar is about 14.5 psi so it does seem low. But when he first starts the vehicle you can see the gauge at about 4-5bar
That just means the dealership has no warranty for it. The car will still have it's remaining factory warranty. This is common dealership practice. Prevents people from coming after them for warranty problems instead of the manufacturer.
Good video and logic work, but you cannot expect a 20 year old water hose with pressure and vacuum and oil inside like this will last without damage ! The hoses are simply not made for this and you have to replace it all , which is a normal maintenance point every 5 years , but nobody is doing it . Also be careful driving the car without protection for the aluminum cylinder heads and aluminum water coolers and only with soapy water. There are special gaskets which only work properly, with the factory recommended rust protection /antifreeze liquid. You already mentioned "this is a german car, it will break" , it is not the car, it is mostly the wrong maintenance and repair. This engine is bullit proof , but somebody (maybe Bob Moores apprentice ) filled the water reservoir with new engine oil in the past, when they serviced the car. So the first engine failed by overheating. I would change the oil filter and check the air filter too.
30 or 40 psi? Brother, you will be creating More leaks by doing that. And the shout you used isn't lubricating the water pump like coolant would; wouldn't be surprised that it fails in short-order. ---There are coolant flushes that are Designed to flush oil out of the system, and not cause damage to the rest of the system.
As a retired GM mechanic that has dabbled around with Porsches and Volkswagens over the years. Get that shout out of that system. The Shout is reacting with the rubber of your hoses and causing them to fail. And they probably won't be the only hoes or seal failure in your cooling system. I remember back in the 1990's when Dex Cool first come out in the General Motors cars and trucks it was reacting with the hoses and different metals of the blocks and causing the cooling system to gum up and get nasty. It's a safe bet that the Shout is reacting with the rubber of the hose and causing your failures.
Randy, here's one type of hose clamp pliers by Hazet www.rmeuropean.com/Products/79814-MFG970.aspx Btw, be careful when grabbing hoses, your hand was inches away from the accessory belt!
I'll bet the 20 lbs of vacuum pushed those little suckers over the edge. It's for the best though, you get to eliminate all the weak points quickly instead of every other week on the road when it happens. As far as modifying this or any car.. if that's what you want to do, by George go for it and enjoy it. Those purists only complain about what people do with their cars and weren't going to buy it from you anyway. They can keep theirs stock if they want. I don't care.
Richard Simmons workout going on for all of the rubber parts in the cooling system! Maybe stuff a few Big Macs into the radiator to harden up the arteries? Just pulling your chain, love your content Randy, best of luck to your repair efforts!
The oil in the cooling system is probably in the process of destroying all of the rubber hoses in the system. They swell up, get soft, and burst.
Frank Healy
Very true oil in coolant system definitely destroys rubber hoses
That and he keeps sucking it at 25 pounds
That happened to my Acura after the radiator failed and mixed the transmission fluid with the coolant after that I had a rubber hose blow every few days ...been good after I replaced all the rubber hoses
@@RTSELLS 25 inches you mean. That should not damage a good hose. If a hose or any other part fails after vacuum filling, then the part was already compromised.
After seeing the hoses collapse under vacuum, I knew you were going to have problems with them.
Yes, why would you ever want to see 20 year old rubber hoses contort and pinch like they were never supposed to.
Incredible patience and detective work always pays off well done
Just showed my friend this video and he said change all the hoes'es... as if one has gone ,all will within 6mnts...he works for porsche services so knows the (996) 911👍👍👍👍
Fingers crossed for you Randy, sitting on the edge of my seat. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I wanna see it done and running!
Once you get the bugs out you will love the ride.
My solution is you have to get the compromise between reliability and performance right.
funny we have the same thought about American cars not being reliable lol
well ill let you know my 94 chevy with 260,000 miles original motor and trans purrs like a kitten whereas my 89 corolla with 200,000 breaks down at least once every few months
Ralph Thomson Toyota is not European
Talking about 911s on 9/11 pretty cool
That Atari 800 computer!
I think the people saying the oil damaged the hoses are right, going to have to replace them all. But even so, what are they all going to cost? $500? Better than a $10K engine.
I'd also say mod away, if it adds to the value of the car, it's not like it's worth a fortune as it sits, although you are in Samcrac territory here.
randy your holding 25 pounds negative pressure you have a winner if you had a bad motor it wont hold pressure
Love the video I would really like to see more of this car.
This would make a great commercial for Shout® Stain Remover.
Oil in your cooling system?
SHOUT IT OUT !
Meaby that small hose was bit bad and when you "sucked" it, it bursted... Hmm that vacuum suck might really bust old hoses..
beter now than later when your far from home ....
The coolant hoses was probably not oil resistant in the first place. It seems that this would be a perfect time to contact FCP Euro and ask them to put a coolant hose kit together for you Randy.
@@hgn98009 +1 on that! They seem to be a good company and will probably be a lot cheaper than Bob Moore too!
I was thinking more along the lines of running water instead of coolant may have caused a lot higher pressure in the system that burst a hole in it. Water boils at a much lower temperature than modern coolants.
@@sinformant ...but the car never reached 212 degF based on the temp gauge....if it was below 212 then the pressure developed wouldn't be much different. The broken hose looks soft and pliable...all the signs of having aged/degraded possibly made worse by the oil in the coolant.
@ 16:43 - Noooo Randy. PLEASE. If there is one car you do not 'have fun with some mods' its a Porsche 911. I will keep repeating it "Originality is everything". Keep it original and you will find a buyer looking to pay Porsche money and you will make a profit. Mod it and you lose the genuine Porsche buyers and you are in Lottery Land.
It is a lovely car though Randy. Well done finding it and restoring it to good health. God drives Porsche and he will bless you! ...lol
If the oil does return I would be looking at the oil / coolant intercooler not a damaged head. It runs too well for that.
You are right. The more he spends on mods the less the car is worth. When I go looking for cars and I see mods I have to ask who did them and what was the quality of their work and how much is it going to cost me to get it back to where it was. He should leave it alone.
Mexican Spec You’re wrong. Do an exhaust and nothing else
@@Ryan-mg7pd I stand by my statement. The big dollar cars are completely original. Any modifications lower the value.
@@Ryan-mg7pd Porsche buyers look for, amongst many things, a particular Porsche sound. Its why Porsche never ever change it and spend $ Mns making sure they keep to that magic Porsche formula. The minute that car is fired up and it doesn't sound like a Porsche the Porsche buyer walks away.
Go add 'straight throughs' to a Corvette or Viper if you must but some marques are special - Porsche, Aston Martin, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Ferrari. I am also not sure those wheels actually add anything but it is what it is and Randy has done great finding and buying a classic car. It would be a big mistake to remove the 'class' from the 'classic'. Just IMHO of course.
It depends on what you intend on doing with the car. If you want to make a profit. Make it the best stock example you can. BUT that won't get you TH-cam views and subs. If you want to have a bit of fun and make it unique and your own, mod the heck out of it. It's just a car not a Picasso or Monet. Put an exhaust on it, cold air intake, carbon fiber wing, nice rims, lower it 2", get a tune. That equals subs, views, and more money than he would have gotten from the car if he sold it as stock.
Oil in the coolant made the rubber Y hose soft and all the other rubber hoses. Bite the bullet and replace the hoses.
Kellys Peppers
100% correct. All rubber hoses are compromised.
needs to make sure no oil is getting into the system first. or those new hoses will go bad too.
I think that motor oil in the cooling system because of its viscosity allowed for improper pressure build up and that in turn caused the weak hoses to pop . I'm wondering if the same thing can happen with laundry detergent..
I agree
The hoses are 20 years old anyway. Good preventative maintenance to just change them anyway. Better at home than on the side of the road or getting towed to a shop!
Randy,,,those hoses are splitting open because they are old...but when you do the vacuum it spreads the chords inside and hence splits them open. We stopped using this airlift machine in our shop for this exact reason.
Good tool for selling a full hose replacement & cooling system service ! = $3,000.00 + ??
Oil destroys coolant hoses. This is not surprising
I would put my money on some turkey having put the oil into the cooling system thinking he was putting it into the sump. Having said that you will have to replace ALL of the rubber hoses or you will soon blow one and cook another engine. Probably a $500 investment to save $8000 to $10000.
My mates car had oil in the coolant but no pipework burst and the oil must have been in the pipes when he got it. 3 years
I would be skeptical of vacuuming my cooling system. You’re asking for trouble.
Bob Moore’s never owned this vehicle and yet he’s profited the most off it lol.
Hopefully he rewards Randy in some big way.
A little less class click bait would be nice
Funny how everyone becomes a master mechanic when they're commenting.
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@@johnjesus971 thanks
It swelled from the oil contamination. It will eventually kill all the hoses.
facts.
Looks like a Playboy's driveway with all of those shiny pricey cars...LOL
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Hi Randy. I would replace all the rubber coolant hoses. Buy off e bay. If oil still gets into cooling system, its probably a crack in the oil cooler. Rev.
Randy , when you use the vacuum generate with the old hoses on that Porsche , they will crack , it is normal .
If that small y hose was $50 at the dealer and the hoses are all probably damaged from it oil in the system you should probably replace them all, but don't buy them from the dealer. You can probably get all the rest of the hoses from an aftermarket parts house for the price of that one at the $tealer! Gotta love VW/Audi hoses, wonder what a hose engineer makes at Porsche?
I agree on no mod's get out of that thing before you are in too deep, let the new owner mod to taste!
John Thompson vw own Porsche
Scott B google it
Oil contamination and the abuse of collapsing and expanding these hoses just put too much stress on them. Change every hose you can get to.
The hoses are reinforced rubber, when you pull a vacuum on them you are pulling against the grain, they are designed to expand not contract. That kit might save time but its costing money. Essentially the hoses have a designed matrix embedded in them thats ideal for the forces involved i.e. straight line, curve t-piece etc. When you pull a vacuum you are reversing those forces. I wouldn't bother. That kit is more harm than good.
'99 are becoming a thing in the Porsche world... they were the first of the 996 generation, which then became the 997 and so that means the least complicated which equates to less weight and in a Porsche that is a good thing. If you want to modify a 996 modify a later version... and PS Thank you for saying Porsche and not Porsch.
Just replace all coolant system hoses. It will be less of a headache, especially now that you know the block should be mostly clear of oil in the coolant passages.
You have a ground strap cable ground problem. I see the running voltage in your car at 12 when it should be around 13.5-14v. it's the ground strap that connects to the back of the alternator, starter, and the frame. cable costs around 50-100. You'll know that you really have an issue that after the car is warm it's tough to start, slow to turn over.
I presume that the vacuuming broke the pipe.
@@jeremiajacksonsr.6053 Yes I agree, it was because of the oil but the vacuuming finished them off.
Which is better on the driveway than on the highway...
Oil in the coolant from water to oil heat exchanger. Common in german cars.
Oil cooler we call it in sa
Can you say: MONEY PIT!
You need to look in to FCP Euro for your parts
wow love the old school atari / commodore pet sitting on u bench at end of vid...nice
one round of flushing is all you really needed to get almost all the erl out. sure you may have some residual erl left, but, thats a good thing...the coolant would still do its job, the small amount of erl in the system shouldnt affect the rubber hoses swelling hardly at all if any....and you would have extra lubrication in the system for the water pump and heater valves for longer life.
With as much oil that was in the cooling system its going to eating all the rubber hoses from the inside out. Your best luck would be to replace all the rubber hoses.
It’s going to be battle.
Find a silicon hose kit.
Don't screw with hoses that may or may not develop a leak,do it right Randy and replace them all.
I think that would be best also. Because of age and oil.
Things you don't see on video...Randy drops the F-bomb after hose breaks.
replace the radiator and the problem with the oil n antifreeze will stop
And the heater core. Oil likes to stay trapped in both of them.
German cars...over engineered, over rated, overpriced money pits
53 dollars what can you get that made in China for? 53 cents?
The oil is probably eating the rubber hoses from inside to outside
I so would have came up with my own T fitting or Y connector something out of plumbing parts anyting over spending that kind of money on such a ridiculous small part, that looks like it was designed to break.
Justin Hobart exactly what I was thinking
If you stop putting a high negative vacuum on the cooling system then you will stop blowing out hoses.
But really like the porsche content😊
You should post a link to the vids on some porsche forums, for some professional advice and of course views
Franco Anthony hard suction usually bust hoses lol
Informative but 15:00 minutes too long
Oil and the fact that the system was put under vacuum caused the hose to fail.
If you gave Bob Moore your VIN would they give you the repair history on your car? Would be nice to know the details on your current engine. Rebuilt? New? Warranty on engine? Replaced how many miles ago?
I had a 996 and those hoses do blow so worth ripping out and replacing that last big one that was clasping. Cracked heads are pretty rare from others i know in the Porsche club. I think you will find you got a bargain may man.
i guess the hose died because of the vacuum you put into the system. that obviously broke the internal structure...it looked spooky when you put the vacuum on it.....
Yeah, Randy. Go ahead and replace all the coolant hoses. No sense in dicking around waiting for them to fail one at a time. Looks like a giant win. Good for you!😃
Randy before considering the head have you considered the engine oil cooler, you could remove it and have it pressure tested, if it was it could save disturbing the head,
Great video, thank you for the upload greatly appreciate it.
I plan to get my hands on a Porsche one day.
$53,000 piece of junk! They make up money in repairs!
Awesome work. The problems you're running into is due to the previous owners lack of maintenance , nothing more and not the cars fault. Kind glad someone who loves tinkering has this car now and working on it.
When your done you could put waterless coolant into it as someone else has said the oil has made the hoses soft. Please change thouse alloy wheels
Waterless coolant is often a bad idea, it has nothing like the heat capacity of water, a few devotees like it because it has an extremely high boiling point so cars with marginal cooling don't boil over but in fact are still overheating.
so nobody realizes he only like 2 door vehicles 😂😂
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if one of the heads is cracked, wouldn't the vacuum on the cooling system not hold?
Good thought. Pull the dip stick and see if it is pulling air
not always, it may only be leaking when the car is being ran, cause the extrreme heat of the engine causes the crack to expand
@@justinsrt4626 that makes sense
I certainly hope you scored big on this Porsche. Really enjoying the troubleshooting aspect of this one.
Love the channel gives me something good to watch! Keep it coming Randy
Seriously, one tiny hose was $50, and you dare to even look at another Porsche??? What are you thinking???
Oh the suspense. By the way i have found rubber that has been saturated with oil tends to weaken.
That rubber Y fitting looks to be a pre designed failure point by Porsche! Other manufacture's do it as well like ford with the plastic pipe barb connecting two separate lengths of heater core hose rather then one continuous hose!!! Nothing compares to Ford putting profits over lives by the way that they use a SINGLE CYLINDER MASTER CYLINDER (LOOSE ONE BRAKE LINE & WHEN THERE IS NO BRAKE FLUID/PRESSURE, THE EMERGENCY BRAKE WILL NOT WORK & IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE YOU EGRESS/ BACK UP/ SECONDARY BRAKING SYSTEM) HOW ABOUT USING A DUAL CYLINDER MASTER CYLINDER TO BEGIN WITH? I thought a dual master was the STANDARD YET, FORD FINDS WAYS TO PUT PROFITS OVER LIVE'S!!!!!!
Uberman ! when the head is cracked white steam comes out the exhaust even when it is hot outside. This is not happening. Also the crank case will have water in it and this also is not happening. It is most likely fixed. Flush it out with water. I guessing you have success. Someone poured oil in the coolant and caused all these problems.Good fix. Your right oil soften up the hoses and probably more to come needing to be replaced.
I really hope this doesn’t become your money pit Jetta
So if I were to summarize how to clean the intermix from the system in 4 steps, it'd be 1. Drain old coolant through drain plug. 2. Put half gallon Shout mixed with water into the coolant system. 3. Run the car to operating temperature with heater ON. 4. Drain via coolant drain plug. These 4 can be repeated till there's no oil residue exiting via drain plug. Correct?
I love your videos Randy and I know almost NOTHING about cars ! My son's 1998 Porsche Boxter 2500L ground to a halt recently and the RAC man told him his engine was 'tight' after jacking it up ! The problem actually turned out to be the alternater and my tiny knowledge leads me to think he had ignored a warning light !!!! Anyway £200 rather than THOUSANDS OF POUNDS was a good outcome wasn't it ? Northumberland, England.
I am unlucky in life.....broke my back for the second time in my life at work. No settlement, just a fuck you and a have a nice day. And i have not one car to drive i call my own. I can barely afford food and medicine every month. I HOPE YOU CHERISH YOUR LIFE, ....MINE IS OVER WITH. GOD BLESS.
just watched this playlist, as soon as you put your finger in the coolant tank i said somebody put oil in the wrong spot as it was pure clean oil, the more you looked the more to me it seemed somebody did an oil change and filled up the coolant tank, it was FULL lol they proceeded to start the car which killed the original engine, that engine was changed as we know now with a brand new 1 but they did not clean out the coolant tank and as the system expanded and contracted some of the oil went through the system which is why the oil level never dropped and coolant never went typical milkshake colour just an dirty water colour, My wife whom is petrified of cars and car crashes also enjoys your vids especially the copart walk arounds, so its a win for me, greetz from Western Australia.
Ridiculously cheap are you joking 66000 for a second-hand Porsche how to wind up people
Randy - Check out Wheeler Dealers season 17, episode 1. They work on a 2000 Porsche 911/996 convertible. The big problem they say with the 996 is the intermediate shaft (IMS) bearing. If it fails it can trash the engine. They were concerned with theirs and it only had 65,000 miles.
Randy, just get all the rubber hoses replaced. Save the headache. Get it mechanically sound then worry about mods. FCP Groton was where I got my Genuine Volvo parts many years ago for my 1993 940GLE Turbo Wagon. FCP group is good in ensuring quality original parts.
You made A mistake there at the end. European cars don’t brake down. American build European brand cars are crap quality. I’ll guess it is either crap materials used, or Some people at the factory don’t like their job very much. If you get A german build AMG, Audi, VW, BMW or Porsche, you almost got A friend for Life quality wise.
If you keep using the air lift, you're gonna keep tearing up hoses. A cooling system isn't meant to have that much vacuum pressure.
Atmospheric pressure (0) to maybe +20 psi is all she wants.
Obviously some sort of vacuum happens when pressure changes with opening/closing of thermostat and system, but that's when it's full.
Plastic tanks and rubber hoses shouldn't vacuum down like A/C systems.
Also, the bottom drain won't get all air out of a system. Air goes up, not down. You would need to find the highest point of the pressurized cooling system to fully bleed off.
Randy I am making several Comments. Those hoses are a Common Failure The Lower hose you mentioned you might as well go ahead and replace while you replace the big hose you showed they are not that expensive the Hose needs to be replaced anyway. It is a recommended procedure from Porsche to replace all the hoses if the engine is Changed. After that you shouldn't have any more problems unless the Heater Core Collapses during the Pressure test which is Common. Looks like the old car is telling you what She Wants. When the system is deflated if there are old hoses or older hoses they Tear at the collapse point on the inside where the suction crease is created most tear between the inner and outer linings on the inside then they get weak and burst. It is not a big problem just a afternoon of work. Considering a Bare left door Trim Panel from Porsche costs $ 1650.00 - $2600.00 depends on the options. I don't have the VIN number. You can get Both Door Trim Panels Re-manufactured almost like new for about 600 bucks. There are some aftermarket panels available but they are not inexpensive. Those are Good Sports Cars and if you are a DIY better that Paying what the Dealership Charges and their Tech's are or may not do as good a Job as you can do. When those vehicles were built Porsche put in a small amount of Stop Leak in the system during the manufacturing process. Some manufacturers still do that. It is a Special coolant with the additive. Bet ya didn't know that did ya? LOL Have a Great day if you need anything else Let me know. I can Possibly get Porsche Parts at a Good Discount for ya. I used to work as a Contract Factory Representative for Porsche GMBH to get their Problem Child's fixed once and for all. I know those Vehicles very well. My only Concern is the Heater Core Failing but so far it has held. Those cars are not as complex as people make them out to be. I doubt there is a problem with the engine intermix of oil in the coolant. It most likely was the other engine. Study the Cooling System you will see why? This is 911 info on 9-11..... We all should pay Tribute to those who lost their Life on this day.
Used that same device to drain and refill cars for years doing collision work. Never ONCE, not once, did it ever ruin a radiator hose or any other hoses on ANY car. Porsche is using some type of rubber that is of less quality than other imports. And I have fixed thousands of cars. Idk what’s going on with Porsche parts but they are very expensive but not engineered very well🤷
Great deals on those Porsches, but has Bob Moore's service techs work on their engines?????? (See Part 1 of this Porsche adventure) BTW: Check the repair cost on that AMG or any Mercedes. New brakes every 20K miles, no thanks.
MMMMM, that hose probably costs 500.00 in Porsche world ..Enjoyed it and hope it works out for you. Those Mercedes are there and depreciate drastically for a reason, yes nice to look at and impressive performance but reliability and $$$$ to repair when broken?
Hey man I just wanna let you know there’s a website called FCPEURO that sells genuine and OE parts for all German cars. As well as ALL parts are backed with Lifetime warranty. And yes when I mean all. I mean all including your oil changes. Give them a shot man. You’ll definitely won’t regret it and you may save a few bucks too
Why are you using that suction fill on that older porsche? Of course you will bust hoses, they are not brand new. Theres nothing wrong with draining and filling the normal way, doing the burping method helps get a lot of the trapped air. Also youre buying cars from copart why are you dumping money on oem parts? Look on ebay for used, or new aftermarket hoses. Doesnt make sense to buy! Plus you over paid for this, MMR on a 1999 boxster is $7,700 at manheim auctions. If realistically speaking the market value of what car dealers will sell this for is 8-9,500. So you could have picked up a good running boxster for 7 grand without a blown motor, if you have an auctions license. Im not trying to give you a hard time, but ive been around the block with copart, newbies get this idea that just because a car is at copart, that means they are stealing it. Copart does have good deals, but the majority its overpriced. My advice for you, if the cleaning doesnt clean out the engine and the motor is blown, take that car back to copart and price it for the same amount you bid on it. This will be a money pit for you!
Although a Porsche is not on my horizon, your experience was fascinating enough to stay with the story through the end. Nice camera work, despite the high- and low-light conditions, and very much enjoyed your narrative of discovery. Most important, you helped dispel the myth, once and for all, that a Porsche is somehow immune to all the annoyances of a regular commuter car-- broken hoses, poor service at the hands of "somebody", and discovery of really bad materials design (as though the OEM wanted the part to fail). Thanks for the ride-- notice the superior yes-to-no ratio.
If the leak was at part number 32 on the list I sent there was a TSB not a public notification and all of them should have been previously replaced. It wasn't a recall just a Technical Service Bulletin sent out. Repairs were supposed to be Free when they were newer. It would have been done during a Oil change and the Customer would have not known. There were a lot of failures in Europe. It paid on Warranty .6 labor Hours. A lot of them Failed...
Call me weird but I Rather have the Lincoln Continental over the Merc AmG 63 or whatever it was. I’m seriously hoping this detergent trick works out on the 911! Keep the videos coming please.
Replacing coolant on a MGTF135 mid engine car I removed the radiator (at the front), flushed it many times and then did lots of heat cycles with clean water. Surprised at how long radiator took to get hot. Enjoyed doing job right. Wasn't any reason to do flush other than it hadn't been changed for a while (a long while).
Odd, that blue coolant reservoir tank cap ,looks exactly like my old 1982,1984 VW rabbits coolant caps, except my were black😆
F'n Bob Howard! I looked at a used car there after driving three hours from Wichita. I was promised it was perfect. No dents, no scratches, perfect interior. After waiting for 30 minutes while they touched up some nicks, we took it for a test drive. Did one more walk around and the driver's fender had a huge dent in it. The manager did nothing to satisfy the problem. Never buy from them!
6:30 Pro tip: When removing a bad hose, cut the hose before taking off clamps. You can move the pipes anywhere that makes it easy to get the clamps off.
19:00 Sounds like you need to replace all the coolant hoses in the car. They are probably all oil-damaged. Just bite the bullet, and replace them all.
Blue 996 Convertible looks sweet even if you did spend the top $j still say it’s worth it with bearings corrected and all other problems fixed you re good to go. Beautiful looker - convertible no less. My thinking is because of the Shout , the soap bubbles created more gas pressure thereby blowing any weak link ( hose) thus your leak on a minor hose. Tanks for the review .
Good stuff...your commentary is spot on and so is your video. I can actually see what you are talking about and your camera is more steady than a number of other channels (shaky camera work is the bane of any TH-cam viewing experience). Too bad about the other hoses breaking, but, at least you weren't in the middle of the freeway when it happened. Just sub'd and thumbs up!!
I don't really know Porshe's but that oil pressure gage looks a little low . Less than 10 pounds of pressure. Were does it go up to when reving up ?
That gauge shows bar not psi...although 1 bar is about 14.5 psi so it does seem low. But when he first starts the vehicle you can see the gauge at about 4-5bar
2019 Benz with 700 miles and no warranty🤔🤔
Glad someone else saw that. An 80,000 as is lmao
That just means the dealership has no warranty for it. The car will still have it's remaining factory warranty. This is common dealership practice. Prevents people from coming after them for warranty problems instead of the manufacturer.
Good video and logic work, but you cannot expect a 20 year old water hose with pressure and vacuum and oil inside like this will last without damage ! The hoses are simply not made for this and you have to replace it all , which is a normal maintenance point every 5 years , but nobody is doing it . Also be careful driving the car without protection for the aluminum cylinder heads and aluminum water coolers and only with soapy water. There are special gaskets which only work properly, with the factory recommended rust protection /antifreeze liquid. You already mentioned "this is a german car, it will break" , it is not the car, it is mostly the wrong maintenance and repair. This engine is bullit proof , but somebody (maybe Bob Moores apprentice ) filled the water reservoir with new engine oil in the past, when they serviced the car. So the first engine failed by overheating. I would change the oil filter and check the air filter too.
30 or 40 psi? Brother, you will be creating More leaks by doing that. And the shout you used isn't lubricating the water pump like coolant would; wouldn't be surprised that it fails in short-order. ---There are coolant flushes that are Designed to flush oil out of the system, and not cause damage to the rest of the system.
Your oil cooler is broken
As a retired GM mechanic that has dabbled around with Porsches and Volkswagens over the years. Get that shout out of that system. The Shout is reacting with the rubber of your hoses and causing them to fail. And they probably won't be the only hoes or seal failure in your cooling system. I remember back in the 1990's when Dex Cool first come out in the General Motors cars and trucks it was reacting with the hoses and different metals of the blocks and causing the cooling system to gum up and get nasty. It's a safe bet that the Shout is reacting with the rubber of the hose and causing your failures.
Randy, here's one type of hose clamp pliers by Hazet
www.rmeuropean.com/Products/79814-MFG970.aspx
Btw, be careful when grabbing hoses, your hand was inches away from the accessory belt!
I'll bet the 20 lbs of vacuum pushed those little suckers over the edge. It's for the best though, you get to eliminate all the weak points quickly instead of every other week on the road when it happens. As far as modifying this or any car.. if that's what you want to do, by George go for it and enjoy it. Those purists only complain about what people do with their cars and weren't going to buy it from you anyway. They can keep theirs stock if they want. I don't care.
Richard Simmons workout going on for all of the rubber parts in the cooling system! Maybe stuff a few Big Macs into the radiator to harden up the arteries? Just pulling your chain, love your content Randy, best of luck to your repair efforts!