What's the difference between Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C?
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- Confused about Apple's latest connectivity standards? Ever wonder why Thunderbolt 3 uses the same connector type as USB-C? AppleInsider presents a short history of the two protocols and how they coexist in devices like MacBook.
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You´re talking at a speed of 10 GIGAWORDS/s sir.
LOL
That's not that fast. I can run at 3200Mhz
Its can be a problem just for people, who dont use english in common life
Quent Sese He is not talking fast at all
Slow down the video to .5x 😁
came here with one question, now I have many :(
😂😂😂 same
2020: Still have them
You have even confused me more.
wow you must be stupid af. let me make it clear: USB type c is very fast with upto 10gb per second transfer. Thunderbolt 3 is the king of all. it can do 40gb persecond transfer. USB type C is going to be the most common cable. Thunderbolt is for apple only.
Thunderbolt is not used only for apple devices. Check e.g. the HP ZBook series with TB3.
USB-C is the connector, USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt 3 is the technology that can use that connector
@Commander Shepperd ...Calls someone stupid, proceeds to state that Thunderbolt is Apple only.
same with me, now I am more lost. he spoke a little fast
Clear as mud.
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LMFAO 😂😂😂 Funniest comments on TH-cam!
He's obviously trying to talk at the speed of Thunderbolt 3🤣
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I thought it just me who can't follow him.
Also the charts are displayed for one nanosecond !!
USB is a protocol
Thunderbolt is a protocol
USB using type C connector = USB type C
Thunderbolt uses a type C connector
Thunderbolt has faster speed than USB type C
I'm a scientist by profession. I like your equations. Thanks for the explanation!
Is this also correct?
USB = protocol
Thunderbolt = protocol
Type C = connector type
Both protocols can use type C connectors
Speed depends on the protocol used.
speed(Thunderbolt protocol) > speed(USB protocol)
@@voltagefrogmatthias2375 thank you! I just wanted to know if it was the same connector body. LOL
@@waleedalzuabi5131
It's not.
Thunderbolt 3 supports video output (HDMI/DidplayPort equivalent or using adapters) and INCLUDES USB 3.1 support.
So basically, Some Type C ports are USB and others are Thunderbolt. That being said, all Type C connectors support the USB protocol because Thunderbolt ports can do standard USB.
REBS76 all it took was one freakin paragraph lol thanks now I understand 😂😂
"to sum it up..." Wtf did you say in the first part?
Glad to see it's not just me who has no idea what he's talking about!!
Funny!
Haha.
I knew more before watching this video
Hey, could you go a little faster?
When creating a video like this you should imagine your audience has no previous knowledge, otherwise you’re just going to cause more confusion.
Indeed 👍🏻👌🏻
Ty Diet, how is it possible that these tech brainiacs don't understand the first priority of giving such a talk? MAKE IT IDIOT-PROOF.
'imagine'?😁
I gave up. It all descended into confusion. 2.50 minutes in and I was completely lost.
Should we redo this video, now that we can speak a little better on camera?
AppleInsider
YESSSS
@@AppleInsider yes, at USB 3 speed and not at Thunderbolt speed 🙂
@@AppleInsider yes
And therein lies the whole problem with this multi port madness. Just remember, a port does not guarantee a universal throughput or power. It can be anything from super fast to super slow, so be sure and check. Yes, they can just put it on the box, and they should, but they don't.
This might be the first time I've ever watched a TH-cam video, and then feel the urge to jump out the window of my 10th floor apartment😳
I'm glad the industry is simplifying to make it easier on the consumers. 🤯
obnoxious, right?
What the hell did you say at 3:15?
It sounds like you’re just reading an article off an internet tech site with no further explanation.
Exactly.
This guy should be an auctioneer instead
I'm not a native speaker but i understand every single word. He explained it well. What's wrong with you guys? Am i missing something?
He explained very well and yes you miss something, you didn't watch the movie "Idiocracy", then you'll understand what's wrong :))
If you really want to be confused at this point, be aware that a USB C plug only refers to the connection. It may or may not always have the maximum speed and power it is capable of. In other words, you can have a USB C plug that only delivers USB 2.0 capability. What's worse, manufactures don't reveal this. So if you really need the maximum throughput and power USB -C, be sure you check with the product manufacturer before you buy.
The graphics have meaning. Keep them up for more than 2 seconds. They're more important than your face, you can let the audio run behind it.
Exactly.
Hit that pause button
Have you considered on hitting the Space Bar and the Scrub Head of the video? Just a thought!
U confused me more than I already was
I saw several other videos on USB Type C only and USB Type C w/ Thunderbolt 3. I finally understood what exactly it is. Thanks a ton!!
Slow down your talking. You're trying to teach, not run a race.
EXACTLY!!! I have limited knowledge and trying to learn. I have to watch videos like this a few times to understand wtf is going on. He's not the only one!
Learn to use the youtube tools to slow down video if youre a little slow in the head.
some people like to learn quickly and maybe try to do something else at the same time, but they dont have the time to write in comments :D. Gladly we have the option to slow down the spreed of the video in youtube gl
@@Paultimate7 😂😂😂😂😂😂
He's trying to keep the video in under 5 min and in order to that you must talk fast.
I appreciate the effort, and I love your vids, but you just confused me more than ever. :)
Just show charts/graphs showing which is better. We don’t need shots of you talking for this type of vid. (No offense intended, just my opinion)
That was very fast and confusing! Lol 😂 no idea what you just said.
i need to watch this 5 times to understand only half of it
Thanks for the efforts, but I agree it is difficult to follow at your speed...
Good job. Everything I needed to hear. So lets summarize for you folks who got lost. All usb type-c supports protocol versions 3.1 gen 2 and below. However, all usb type-C cables do not inherently support thunderbolt protocol - it must specified.
I'm_Doing_IT can we try for 20 words or less my mind hasn’t recovered from the video
@@Matandfun
All USB Type C ports and cables support USB devices/connections (Even if they're Thunderbolt).
Some Type C cables don't support Thunderbolt as they are only USB cables (Even if the Type C port is a Thunderbolt port).
Some Type C ports don't support Thunderbolt as they are USB ports (Even if you connect a Thunderbolt device with a cable that can do Thunderbolt).
Reread while ignoring what's in parentheses for a bit more clarity.
@@JamesTFaile Ty Tyler, but people like me who just bought a new Mac need specifics. I have usb mics for my work. How do I plug them in? What do I need to buy specifically. And the obvious question, why are basic adapters necessary to run the Mac not included with a 2-3k-priced apple laptop?
Best explanation ever , I was confused after seeing thunderbolt 2 and mixed it with thunderbolt 3
Made perfect sense to me. I just summarized. Type C is faster than all other previous USB types ((Universal Serial Bus) small connectors) that came before, except for Thunderbolt, which is 40 Mb/second. That means you can download a long movie in seconds. It's easier to understand if you anchor your understanding to something that you already know.
USB 1.0/Low-Speed: 1.5 Megabits per second (Mbps)
USB 1.1/Full-Speed: 12 Mbps.
USB 2.0/Hi-Speed: 480 Mbps.
USB 3.0/SuperSpeed: 5 Gbps.
USB 3.1/SuperSpeed: 10 Gbps.
USB Thunderbolt 3: 40 Gbps.
This means Thunderbolt 3 will need about five or six seconds to load a typical, compressed two-hour movie.
Haha. The comments on here. I got it all. Great explanation. I don't blame the people that ended up all confused. It isn't your fault. The people that make all these connector decisions where obviously high and made all this more complicated than it should've been. The bottom line is this: A Thunderbolt 3 port is a USB-C connector port than can take most popular protocols and run them based on their limitations, but not the other way around - A Thunderbolt device will not work in USB-C 3.1. A USB-C cable is not the same as a Thunderbolt 3 cable even if they look the same. That's basically the gist of it.
Okay. And I figured this new sudden sharing protocol happened because *Apple* ran out of Fame, Popularity, Funds, and a sudden loss of support & favor with nefarious China (who's about to let *Huawei* run wild) as they attempted to put Thunderbolt way out on it's own _Proprietary Island_ . Therefore Apple may have decided to play ball and get along with *USB-C* .
A Venn diagram would be helpful.
can you speak a little faster???
Yes you need to brush up on commenting .!
"to put an end to this confusion, let's start with a brief history of the Universal Serial Bus" wtf, you're getting a downvote
Note: not all Thunderbolt 3 USB C cables support USB 3 of any kind. 2M cables are not all supported by both.
Thinner Vadim, also both Max and Vadim used to work for Apple Insider?!
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this vids gets watchable with Dynamo app, slowing him down to 0.6... other then that very informative !!!
I have about as much technological knowledge as my grandma, and she died 5 years ago 😐
you didn't explain anything, people that come here is for plain english. that was not vulgarized properly.
I’m so confused 🥴
@appleinsider ..so if a laptop has usb c 3.1 gen 1 ...can it support thunderbolt 3 or can i use a type c hub for it ???
Imagine our dads watching this.
**Respective Dads**
the only thing i notice he did to confuse me as well he took out spaces between his words(edited out) made it too fast ended up with out nuances that are normal when we speak nd without communication punctuation
TL:DR: USB-C is the connector. USB 3.0, 3.1 Gen 1 and Gen 2 can run on the old connector or the new USB-C connector. Thunderbolt 3 is a totally separate proprietary interface (NOT USB) that happens to use the USB-C connector. Your board needs to have a dedicated Thunderbolt chip on it to support it. Apple computers have this, but very few PC motherboards/laptops have it. USB is slow or average speed, Thunderbolt is insane speed.
Thanks for this summary. I wanted to know if it was possible to upgrade my usb-c port on my laptop to thunderbolt3 using some adaptor. Looks like it's not. I just bought a usb-c dock to share my videos to a projector which connects through a vga. Turns out video output through vga/hdmi works only with thunderbolt3. Twenty six euros wasted now.
This is all going somewhere awesome, but for now, it's super confusing.
What did he said in the start.. .hmm the at the lastt...hmmm . .
Fuck i cant remember anything ..
Really appreciate your attempt to provide us with complete information, but it was so overwhelming it rather turned into a nice recap for people who already know what it's all about.
Cleared some things up for me, specifically Gen 1 & 2 speeds and Thunderbolt backwards compatibility with USB devices. Nice explanation about the type C connector. Good job. I noticed there is a Kodak Hawkeye camera in the backround. My father used that model in the 1950's up to the early 1960's, got one on eBay a few years back as a keepsake.
I can not find any word to appreciate the hard work and dedication put by me to understand thunderbolt.
Made sense to me *shrugs* USB-C is Hella Fast, Thunderbolt 3 Share the connection end but is Hella Faster than that. as well as Thunderbolt 3 is compatible with C-type devices.
"Confused about Apple's latest connectivity standards?"
Damn u r worse at ur job!
Ok. Now I'm thoroughly confused!
Why is it that all this dudes can’t really explain this is in a simple way?
This guy is an expert at making the clear confusing.
Is it possible to display the pics for more than 1 second?
I'm lost homie 🌿
More confused than I was before the video started
wow, thanks for noth'n
too much info. didnt understand the simplest point
An Apple fan boi review by stealth....
Although I had to watch it twice including a few pauses and rewind, it was very informative...Thanks👍
This is why i failed at everything at school
Whew! You talk too damn fast! What did you say?
I just got to watch this 7 more times I think.
3:27 is pretty much the best takeaway. It’s a good detailed but just a lot of info in one hit. I appreciate the amount of research done for it.
too much info, just show the connector end so we can visually see what your saying.
Could this be any more confusing?
So, a Thunderbolt 3 device is connected to a "Touch Bar" MacBook Pro using the Thunderbolt 3 standard via a USB-C shaped port. Hardware commonly referred to as "USB-C devices" also will work with a Thunderbolt 3 port, but they will not be able to take advantage of the maximum speed provided by Thunderbolt 3 devices
^ copy pasta
Watch at 2X Speed . Thank me later ; )
What is the difference between prawn and shrimp?
Lime and lemon ?
God that's funny! Lets keep this up folks!
Ghost or Spirit?
just set the speed to 0.25 to slow him down if hes to fast
Wow he was so young and handsome here
Slow down mate
It's confusing. And USB 4.0 is coming.
Heck, I USB-7.0 will be here by 2023. But by then, the *USA* may have figured out a deal to get *6G* going around here. Those data transfer speeds will be so fast until hooking up crap may no longer be necessary (we'll simply bring all data home from *the* *cloud* and _inject_ it into our brains).
Who here remembers Keanu Reeves saying, "I know Kung Fu" in *The* *Matrix* ? - th-cam.com/video/0YhJxJZOWBw/w-d-xo.html -
say whaaatt?
my head hurts
Vadim is very calm and digestible in this explanation. His recent work on his own channel always has him hyped and amped up.
oh my fucking god............ I need a mac genius to help me do my amazon shopping for this freaking connector cord apparently............. any takers........... ???
USB 3.0 = A type of digital connection
Thunderbolt 3 = A type of digital connection (that is usually faster than USB)
Type C = A type of physical connector
USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt 3 can both be implemented into Type C connector depending on manufacturers. Macbooks for example use type C for both USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt 3 connections. Some other lower end laptops usually come with a Type C connector that only supports USB 3.0 which results in slower speeds when compared to Macbooks' Type C connector. Hope that clears things up for you guys.
Not really. To my mind, and I suspect to most commoners, USB Type-C is ostensibly the elongated, pill shaped connector while USB 3.0 is most commonly found on peripherals like USB drives. I find all the standards quite unnecessarily obfuscating, to say nothing of Apple's own implementation of their Thunderbolt technology, past and present. It used to be very clearly defined between mainstream ports and Apples. We had USB and Apple had Firewire. Quite clearly defined and distinguishable but the arrival of Lightning and Thunderbolt really brough along with it unnecessarily complicated and visually confusing standards.
You lost me after minute 2.29..good grief..too fast and too complicated!!
Great progression with the video, showing from the beginning and building up from there. BUT you skirted around the question I wanted answered.
USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 use the same connectors. Does this mean the physical USB-C cable would support Thunderbolt 3? Or is the Thunderbolt 3 (despite the same connector) Cable something entirely different?
So in short, can a Thunderbolt 3 OUT (from PC) be connected to a Thunderbolt 3 Hub (IN -i.e. AKiTiO Thunder3 Dock) using a standard male-to-male USB-C Cable? or do you require a specific Cable?
I don’t even know if my question was answered. Like seriously, I don’t understand what I just heard. smh
From 3:15 to 3:26 in the video it talks about ... "If you connected a Thunderbolt 3 to a USB 3.1 device, like a USB hub, the downchain trim of the USB 3.1 device is limited to the USB protocol, there's no way to go back up. " What exactly does this mean? ...and is it saying that it physically changes the device permanently? ...Anybody????
Not permanently, just with that cable attached. Because the huh is only usb, anything after it will only work at usb speeds.
@@AppleInsider I still find it confusing. I will think on it. Wouldn't a USB hub only have worked at USB speeds anyways, Thunderbolt, No Thunderbolt? Is that what that part of the video is saying? Keep in mind that I am limited in tech skills and theory. I am trying hard to build this skill set. Thank you for your time.
@@jasonbourne187 that’s correct. I didn’t do this particular video - they aren’t with the team anymore - but you’re right. The hub would only have usb speeds anyway. But a Thunderbolt cable can be used with a usb hub, just not at Thunderbolt speeds
@@AppleInsider So there is really no reason for saying "There is no way to go back up"? That is the part I can't wrap my head around. The rest I figured out by watching it a dozen times or so. lol
@@AppleInsider The Tech Spec sheet fo my MacBook pro (15",2018) says that I have "Support" for Displayport. Does this mean that my MacBook has it and I can plug in a second monitor with Displayport technology and it will function properly? or Does it mean my MacBook just supports Displayport and I need to use an adapter fo the second monitor to function properly? I can explain why I need to know the answer to this question if need be, but I can not plug the monitor in until I have the answer to this question.
I know you're trying, Appleinsider,. Unfortunately I won't be subscribing. Please make your explanation of important new features so that everyone can understand it. Review the comments and please talk slowly and methodically about exactly what adapters are needed for which models, show the photos long enough so the viewer doesn't have to keep starting and stopping the video etc. Please run your videos past normal people before posting them, and be sure to emphasize slowly and clearly all of the obvious practical things about how to run a new Mac with this new feature. Thanks.
Wait, what?
slow down
let me break it down for you guys:
USB-C supports gen 3.1 and below. ok.
Not all USB-C is thunderbolt. ok.
You need specifically thunderbolt USB-C. ok.
Thunderbolt is only in USB-C and not 3.1 etc. ok.
OK?
Is this the dude from Less I Know the Better video (Tame Impala)?! O.O
Seems more like a speed reading contest than anything useful....
Thunderbolt 3 cable is a USB C cable but a USB C cable is not a Thunderbolt 3 cable.
More confused than when I got here.
The reason why people get confused with USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 is because they don't know or don't take into account the history of both.
While the history of USB is pretty obvious, it's not the case for Thunderbolt.
They both were in competition in the past, and we have to go back to the time of Firewire to understand.
On one side, there was USB 1.0 Then USB 1.5 at the speed of 12.5Mbps, and on the other side, years later there was Firewire 400 (IEEE 1394a) @400Mbps that first equipped Apple computers.
The difference between the two, other than the connector, was that Firewire is bidirectional, and you could daisy chain peripherals with Firewire unlike with USB (that's why you have USB A and USB B on the same cable because it's not bidirectional, and on firewire cables, both connectors are identical on both ends).
USB 2 @480Mbps came out almost at the same time as Firewire 400.
And then, Firewire 800 (1394b) came out with a speed of 800Mbps. So, the competitor released USB 3 with a speed of 1.5 Gbps in its first release (USB 3.0).
Apple ditched Firewire and teamed with Intel to create Thunderbolt to replace Firewire.
In the past, Apple has always wanted to create a protocol/connector that would gather data transfer, power supply, and display capability in one connector.
And, in their first trials they made the ADC connector that you could find in the very first Cinema Display for the PowerMac G4.
So when Thunderbolt 1 @10Gbps was made it contained data transfer, mini-display and power supply at the same time AND you could daisy chain peripherals unlike USB protocol.
Just for a reminder, Thunderbolt was exclusively found on Apple computers when it came out for the very first time, and like firewire they were found later on, on PC's.
Then USB 3.1 came out with the speed of 5Gbps, so the competitor made Thunderbolt 2 @20 Gbps.
USB made a new connector called USB type C (USB-C) and Thunderbolt adopted this connector (it's only a connector) with Thunderbolt 3 so they can host the USB protocol on a channel.
Thunderbolt 3 is so faster then USB 3.1 or USB 3.2 that it can handle the data transfer of these protocols plus the display, and their own Thunderbolt protocol.
Now, I know some here are gonna say Apple didn't invent this or that, I don't care.
I've used computers for 40 years and lived this history, not a heard of this or that.
Get your facts and stop your eager, that's the history.
Who is her name ??
oh, my BRAIN......
I know it's not easy to make a video and surely very informative video, but...
I am not goona click 'dislike'. but...
He lost me at 3:03
what did he said?
I got SSD drive with USB C port and want to connect to Thunderbolt in iMac 2012 ...what cable adapter i need ?
The name of this video is What's the difference between Thunderbolt 3 & USB-C, yet you spent over half of the video giving a history lesson on USB (which NOBODY GIVES A FUCKING RAT'S ASS ABOUT)!!! You & everyone else on TH-cam & internet sites TRYING to explain (which you & them DIDN'T DO) make it as convoluted as internet providers did/do with MB & Mb. Even the chart EVERYONE uses at 2:17 shows and is confusing, it say USB 3.1 can do 10GBps then under Thunderbolt 3 it says includes USB 3.1, WTF?? Why can't you just SIMPLY explain it, is TB3 & USB-C the same YES or NO, that's all no yes and no they are either the exact same or they aren't. My truck and a Lamborghini both run on gas and you can drive them but are the they same HELL NO THEY AIN'T.