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I use this ammo in my Steyr Scout and like most have never seen the performance when used on ballistic gel. It's great to see the expansion and weight retention. While the box states "long range hunting", it also says "effective at all distances". Thanks!
Great job Mason. On this historic day, you are still getting plenty of views for a pretty good.308 load. At least a few of us seem to still have our priorities straight.
I think 24" is the factory test standard because it's a fairly decent "do all" length for most calibers; from 6mm Creedmoor to 300 win mag, and all calibers in between, 24" is a good baseline for all of them. It'll bring down the big boys like 338 and the 300s, and it'll bring up the 308s and 6.5 creedmoor, intermediate types, but it'll never bring a caliber up/down enough that velocity differences are unnoticable That's my theory anyway: it gives a good industry standard for comparing individual loads within a certain cartridge, as well as a good standard for comparing across cartridges, without favoring one or the other extreme too intensely.
The 308 is one of the most popular hunting caliber here in Sweden. This Norma 180g bullet is marketed for the Long Range Moose Hunters up in the Northern part of the country where the shots can be out at 300 meters of more. NORMA is known for it´s consistant quality.
I personally love the Norma ammo packaging due to the lack of rattle of they are in your Fanny pack or pocket for some backup ammo while back country hunting.
G'day mate....Just a quick suggestion that you might need to do a bit more research if you are planning to use this 180gr bullet in this particular 308 rifle for long range hunting on large game. Looking at your velocity data and the suggested minimum impact velocity of 2200fps for the Bondstrike Bullet for designed terminal performance you will be at the minimum velocity around 250-300m. The goodnews is that this is a great bullet for traditional hunting ranges inside 300m and the old 308 has more than enough juice to get the job done. It is a very popular choice for moose her in Norway in this exact calibre and bullet weight and is rated highly for being effective.
Very intersting video. Waiting to see the groupings. Your barrel doesn't seem to be slow as the difference in velocity with what is announced is what we can expect from a 22" barrel. Silencers usually increase speeds of about 2%. As far as i know, these bullets have the best BC amongst hunting cartridges in .308. with G1 = 0.615
I just got 2 cases of this ammo last week in 308, a case of 30-06, and I should have a case of 7RemMag tomorrow if FedEx gets their act together. I got 2 cases of 300WM 2 months ago. Shot the 308 and 30-06 this weekend. The -06 stuff shoots good in a Tikka and my Rem 700 with a Brux barrel, MOA or less. In all of my 308s this ammo only shot well in 2: Tikka T3x with a Brux barrel Tikka T3x stainless superlite Ember (factory rifle) In both of these I'm very pleased with 0.7 and less with 3, 4, and 5 shot groups Both of my Benchmark barrels did not do well at all with 2" groups. My Tikka stainless superlite Hunter was also around 2" I did not clock any of these yet. I usually see which rifle likes it best, then clock it in those. In my Tikka stainless T3x 300WM, the Bondstrike shoots 0.5MOA almost every time I shoot it. Sometimes less sometimes more, but not over MOA yet.
I’ve heard that 24” is the SAAMI standard barrel length for velocity testing, that’s why is standard across multiple manufacturers. Makes for easier comparison between brands and calibers.
You’re correct, and for 24” to be used when 22” and shorter is what is actually in popular use for a given caliber by orders of magnitude is disingenuous at best.
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather The massive expansion and quick energy transfer reminds me of the original swift scirroccos. Swift made them with a thicker jacket years later so they wouldn’t expand as violent calling them the 2’s. Imo it wrecked a great bullet. I shot a black bear with the original with. 180 grain version in 300 RUM. It dropped it in its tracks and never moved. The trauma and wound was phenomenal. This one reminds me of it.
Can you please do this exact review but on the Norma Evo strike. My Tikka t3x in 30-06 loves the 139g Evo Strikes. But I'm not sure how they would do hunting wise
I would recommend you to take a look at the Norma Ecostrike - it's lead-free (nickel-coated copper) and gives a deep penetration. I use it for moose here in Sweden (I use 30-06), it works great in my experience.
The fastest expanding bonded round I have ever experienced was the Nosler Long Range Accubonds, I shot a Bull Moose at 90 yards with 190gr ABLR in 300 Win Mag, Muzzle Velocity Chrono'd at 3000 fps. So it hit very, very hard. It knocked the moose off his feet and it could not get back up, bullet was retrieved in the moose at only 65grs... ouch. Not sure I'd use those at close range anymore.
I wish you would test the EVO strike bullet. I'm so hoping it test well because I've already bought a boc of 308. im also looking at the 300win mag in the EVO strike bullet.
The slow barrel thing can be a fact. I recall an article where several rifles were tested and there were some eyebrow raising numbers between a 16" and 26" .30-30. The 26" rifle might have bee the slow barrel with the newer 16" being decidedly a fast barrel. They was a difference but not as much as you would have expected. It happens. Tolerance and twist rates along with freebore all can conspire to make a barrel one way or the other and defy averages a bit.
As fast/slow barrels is "off limits" 🤭, I wonder how suppressed or non-suppressed impact on muzzle velocity and alike. I know that Sako Sweden have a video where they shoot same ammo in same barrel both suppressed and not, don't remember if they had chronograph but adding the suppressor changed the behaviour of the ammo completely. Was like another gun overall 🤔...
Hey mason, what is the most deeply penetrating .308 ammunition you have tested? Is it the terminal ascent or another load? Thanks in advance. Ps. Great test as usual
Seems like a fairly decent load. I don't like the "need" to be pushing the super long range aspect for marketing hype. Seems like that is now a big thing across the board for most ammo manufacturers on many of their premium offerings.
I would love to know how much the tipped part of this bullet weighs. With this being said, 91% weight retention may be even more impressive when you consider the loss of this part of the bullet is to be expected.
This channel is primarily focused on hunting oriented information, I use popular hunting rifles for given calibers. ARs aren’t really in the purview of the channel.
@masonleather hell ya iv use that round a few times and taken 2 deer with it and it was vary effective punched clean through both shoulders on one and hammered the hell out of both lungs on another but never seen it used on balistic jell
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather many ballistic calculators are free on the web. Anyone can take your velocity data and the mfg.'s ballistic coefficient data and "run the numbers" to many ranges. You always state that what you have is specific to your rifle and location, so each person's results will vary. Too many folks want to make you dance to their tune, but would never put a dime in your cup. You keep doing it your way, and I will keep watching. 👍👍
A slow barrel refers to twist rate of the barrel. More lands and grooves for every foot of barrel creates faster spin of the bullet. Less lands and grooves per foot of barrel makes the bullet spin slower. Bullet weight determines which spin rate is best. Fast twist best for heavy bullets. Slow twist for light bullets.
Also I've seen the same gun just different examples shoot faster or slower on average. Its like engines off the assembly line that just make a bit more or less horse power
Can you do tests on the federal fusion tipped for me this is the best bullet ever made. This is a renewed bullet with plastic inflation and a higher ballistic coefficient
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I like this ammo. Norma stuff is good. Thanks for sharing Mason. 🙏
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I use the the 300wm version of this. 1/2 moa for me. Great factory load
Hello Mason, another nice video. The 308 Winchester is a fantastic round. I have found it works beyond my expectations.
Wishing you all the best.
This is so interesting and informative. Super series. Good job, Mason Outdoors!
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I use this ammo in my Steyr Scout and like most have never seen the performance when used on ballistic gel. It's great to see the expansion and weight retention. While the box states "long range hunting", it also says "effective at all distances". Thanks!
Midway ran these for less than $25/box recently!! Shot very well in my Kimber 84M Hunter Pro.
Great job Mason. On this historic day, you are still getting plenty of views for a pretty good.308 load. At least a few of us seem to still have our priorities straight.
Haha thanks!
Great video and very informative. Thanks for doing the “dirty work” for us!
I’ve had great luck with Norma and their brass is awesome .
Absolutely
We swedes know who to do it.
I love the videos great job. I hope you make some 300 win mag tests with Norma ammo soon.
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300 WM is on the way when I can get to it
Norma makes great ammo🙌 They made Weatherby ammo for many years!
Absolutely
I learned something I didn’t know Norma made weatherby ammo
I think 24" is the factory test standard because it's a fairly decent "do all" length for most calibers; from 6mm Creedmoor to 300 win mag, and all calibers in between, 24" is a good baseline for all of them. It'll bring down the big boys like 338 and the 300s, and it'll bring up the 308s and 6.5 creedmoor, intermediate types, but it'll never bring a caliber up/down enough that velocity differences are unnoticable
That's my theory anyway: it gives a good industry standard for comparing individual loads within a certain cartridge, as well as a good standard for comparing across cartridges, without favoring one or the other extreme too intensely.
Thanks for the test video Mason!
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The 308 is one of the most popular hunting caliber here in Sweden. This Norma 180g bullet is marketed for the Long Range Moose Hunters up in the Northern part of the country where the shots can be out at 300 meters of more.
NORMA is known for it´s consistant quality.
I personally love the Norma ammo packaging due to the lack of rattle of they are in your Fanny pack or pocket for some backup ammo while back country hunting.
It is nice
Great video 👍🏼 I would like to see the longer range shots
G'day mate....Just a quick suggestion that you might need to do a bit more research if you are planning to use this 180gr bullet in this particular 308 rifle for long range hunting on large game. Looking at your velocity data and the suggested minimum impact velocity of 2200fps for the Bondstrike Bullet for designed terminal performance you will be at the minimum velocity around 250-300m. The goodnews is that this is a great bullet for traditional hunting ranges inside 300m and the old 308 has more than enough juice to get the job done. It is a very popular choice for moose her in Norway in this exact calibre and bullet weight and is rated highly for being effective.
I think Norma overall makes some good ammo and components. Thank you for the review!
I love their 38spl match ammo. That stuff is as hot as a 9mm fmj. Very accurate.
Thanks for another great video,
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Very intersting video. Waiting to see the groupings.
Your barrel doesn't seem to be slow as the difference in velocity with what is announced is what we can expect from a 22" barrel.
Silencers usually increase speeds of about 2%.
As far as i know, these bullets have the best BC amongst hunting cartridges in .308. with G1 = 0.615
"308. avec G1 = 0,615" , The reality is quite different : G1 approximately 530
Norma is my favorite factory ammo. I do my the swirrocco and khalahri
It’s good stuff
Found this on sale a few months ago, I picked up 100 rounds!
Me too just this month. 2 cases, $469 delivered.
Outstanding
I just got 2 cases of this ammo last week in 308, a case of 30-06, and I should have a case of 7RemMag tomorrow if FedEx gets their act together. I got 2 cases of 300WM 2 months ago.
Shot the 308 and 30-06 this weekend. The -06 stuff shoots good in a Tikka and my Rem 700 with a Brux barrel, MOA or less.
In all of my 308s this ammo only shot well in 2:
Tikka T3x with a Brux barrel
Tikka T3x stainless superlite Ember (factory rifle)
In both of these I'm very pleased with 0.7 and less with 3, 4, and 5 shot groups
Both of my Benchmark barrels did not do well at all with 2" groups. My Tikka stainless superlite Hunter was also around 2"
I did not clock any of these yet. I usually see which rifle likes it best, then clock it in those.
In my Tikka stainless T3x 300WM, the Bondstrike shoots 0.5MOA almost every time I shoot it. Sometimes less sometimes more, but not over MOA yet.
Results may vary
In Sweden, 6.5mm 156gn bullets are very common for moose they definitely do the job even at that size
I’ve heard that 24” is the SAAMI standard barrel length for velocity testing, that’s why is standard across multiple manufacturers. Makes for easier comparison between brands and calibers.
You’re correct, and for 24” to be used when 22” and shorter is what is actually in popular use for a given caliber by orders of magnitude is disingenuous at best.
@@masonoutdoors_masonleatherWouldn’t supressed relults also make a difference?
Think you should do some testing on Nosler Accubonds and partitions. Love your videos!
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Shot Norma Tipstrike through my 270 the other day and averaged 25 fps higher than the label.
Barrel length?
@@scotttuttle3513 you didn't have a slow barrel.....😂
@@Aaron-mn8gw 24. Not sure why Mason thinks they're so uncommon. I know a lot of people in MO who hunt with 24" barrels.
Awesome
@@scotttuttle3513schultz o larsen make 270 win with 26 inch barrels.
The majority of traditional bonded bullets are not tipped. I'd imagine the tip is the slight difference in weight retention
Wicked round!
Absolutely!
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather The massive expansion and quick energy transfer reminds me of the original swift scirroccos. Swift made them with a thicker jacket years later so they wouldn’t expand as violent calling them the 2’s. Imo it wrecked a great bullet. I shot a black bear with the original with. 180 grain version in 300 RUM. It dropped it in its tracks and never moved. The trauma and wound was phenomenal. This one reminds me of it.
Good stuff! Thanks for posting.
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If you hand load. You can load some slow loads to simolate long ranges.
Great test!
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Norma does a pretty good job! I’m hoping to pick up some for hand loads
For the algo and quality content.
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I'm one of the "slow" barrel guys. But only when you test with a Tikka.
Norma …. Great components brass bullets etc , just plain kickass ammo
Absolutely
Can you please do this exact review but on the Norma Evo strike. My Tikka t3x in 30-06 loves the 139g Evo Strikes. But I'm not sure how they would do hunting wise
Should be great for larger Whitetail bucks in rut, think I'll stick with Federal Fusion though for everyday deer and hogs. Great job thanks a lot
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@@masonoutdoors_masonleather Already have & will continue to do so, thanks for so many great reviews
I would recommend you to take a look at the Norma Ecostrike - it's lead-free (nickel-coated copper) and gives a deep penetration. I use it for moose here in Sweden (I use 30-06), it works great in my experience.
Cool ! I like norma ammo
It seems to be great stuff
The fastest expanding bonded round I have ever experienced was the Nosler Long Range Accubonds, I shot a Bull Moose at 90 yards with 190gr ABLR in 300 Win Mag, Muzzle Velocity Chrono'd at 3000 fps. So it hit very, very hard. It knocked the moose off his feet and it could not get back up, bullet was retrieved in the moose at only 65grs... ouch. Not sure I'd use those at close range anymore.
Very nice, thank you
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Price on this ammo is the best part. Would make a great self defense ammo as well.
A question: does the Garmin have a feature like the Labradar to measure actual velocities at pre set distances?
I wish you would test the EVO strike bullet. I'm so hoping it test well because I've already bought a boc of 308. im also looking at the 300win mag in the EVO strike bullet.
Fun Fact bullets decelerate at around 40 g's due to atmospheric friction. They slow down violently.
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Right. It can even exceed 130 G's for a fast bullet with low B.C (222 Rem 50gr BC= 0.185 for example)
I'd be curious to see how the bullet would do at 30-30 velocitys...
👍😊 I’m 308 22” barrel with 11:1 twist and most standard rifles have 12:1 so yes you can have a slow barrel.
I understand a barrel can be “slow,” I also understand this one isn’t, just like I explained objectively.
Nah, most 30 cal rifles are 1 :10 twist. But that has nothing to do with speed tho
I love your videos. Could you do the normal eco-strike ammo at some point please.
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Yes I will do eco-strike.
I think it is more designed for longer ranges, hence the big expansion at closer ranges
Probably work well in my 16", 18" and 20" 308 rifles.
Yep
The slow barrel thing can be a fact. I recall an article where several rifles were tested and there were some eyebrow raising numbers between a 16" and 26" .30-30. The 26" rifle might have bee the slow barrel with the newer 16" being decidedly a fast barrel. They was a difference but not as much as you would have expected. It happens. Tolerance and twist rates along with freebore all can conspire to make a barrel one way or the other and defy averages a bit.
I understand it’s a thing
I have been interested in this load thanks for testing it.
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The thumbnail was captioned “Disgusting!”. I was expecting a bad review but seems like you liked it.
Look closer at the thumbnail, a lot closer 👍🏼
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather Sneaky
As fast/slow barrels is "off limits" 🤭, I wonder how suppressed or non-suppressed impact on muzzle velocity and alike. I know that Sako Sweden have a video where they shoot same ammo in same barrel both suppressed and not, don't remember if they had chronograph but adding the suppressor changed the behaviour of the ammo completely. Was like another gun overall 🤔...
Great reviews.
Any chance for 16” 6.5 Grendel content?
At some point way down the road
Hey mason, what is the most deeply penetrating .308 ammunition you have tested? Is it the terminal ascent or another load? Thanks in advance. Ps. Great test as usual
Federal Powershok Copper 150gr, over 3 feet of penetration. I just filmed it, video won’t be out for a while.
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather awesome! Look forward to seeing it!
A 22" barrle with a 6" silencer on a hunting rifle?
They performed well but weight retention seems low for bonded as well.
Yee Yee this what I like to see
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Seems like a solid loading
Absolutely
Mason, have you ever tried your Silencerco 46M in the shorter configuration? If so, how do you like it?
Negative
Hoping to see the 165gr Accubonds and Norma Oryx.
At some point
Seems like a fairly decent load. I don't like the "need" to be pushing the super long range aspect for marketing hype. Seems like that is now a big thing across the board for most ammo manufacturers on many of their premium offerings.
I agree, there’s a lot of tomfoolery going on in ammo marketing these days
I would love to know how much the tipped part of this bullet weighs.
With this being said, 91% weight retention may be even more impressive when you consider the loss of this part of the bullet is to be expected.
Probably only 1-3 grains I'd suppose, it's not much....
Not much
Masson,
I would love to see you use a AR in your ammo tests.
This channel is primarily focused on hunting oriented information, I use popular hunting rifles for given calibers. ARs aren’t really in the purview of the channel.
Hey @Masonleather will you also be testing the Hornady hunter percision with the 178 eldx ?
Yes, already filmed, it’s qued up
@masonleather hell ya iv use that round a few times and taken 2 deer with it and it was vary effective punched clean through both shoulders on one and hammered the hell out of both lungs on another but never seen it used on balistic jell
Consider velocity loss at 300 and 400 yards
I have to stop somewhere or every video would be an hour long
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather many ballistic calculators are free on the web. Anyone can take your velocity data and the mfg.'s ballistic coefficient data and "run the numbers" to many ranges. You always state that what you have is specific to your rifle and location, so each person's results will vary. Too many folks want to make you dance to their tune, but would never put a dime in your cup.
You keep doing it your way, and I will keep watching.
👍👍
Nice 🎉 Video 📹 👌 Wound Track and Presentation are Good 👍 Looking to Me 😎🎸🎶 I'll have to check out this ammunition in the future!
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What is a slow barrel? Genuinely curious?
A slow barrel refers to twist rate of the barrel. More lands and grooves for every foot of barrel creates faster spin of the bullet. Less lands and grooves per foot of barrel makes the bullet spin slower. Bullet weight determines which spin rate is best. Fast twist best for heavy bullets. Slow twist for light bullets.
@@moa.333 oh ok I appreciate it I understand twist rate I just never heard it called a slow barrel..
Also I've seen the same gun just different examples shoot faster or slower on average. Its like engines off the assembly line that just make a bit more or less horse power
Some barel
Some barrels shoot slower than others. Not all barrels are identical. Slightly larger or smaller.
Can you do tests on the federal fusion tipped for me this is the best bullet ever made. This is a renewed bullet with plastic inflation and a higher ballistic coefficient
308 is slow caliber
Have y’all seen the guy that’s copied masons short videos? “What your hunting ammo says about you” it’s almost cringe!
Have not seen it, what’s the channel name?
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather Cameron Robson-rb2u or something like that.
Why the disgusting in video title??
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