Hi everyone! There are some things in here that a bit out-of-date - defense pen is now 20% (some tables still mention 15%), and the A5 DOT is nerfed from 2% -> 1.5% max HP. These changes are very minimal and shouldn't affect any important comparisons. Also apologies if the quality is a bit lower than normal! I had to put this together in 2 days (calculator work, consolidation of maths, script writing, recording, editing) as I'll be busy with other things for the rest of this week. If there are any other updates, I'll add them to this comment: UPDATES 1) I've fixed a bunch of abnormalities with the calculator... however, when using it, make sure you set your attack stats properly, even for elements that aren't used in the build! The calculator will weight down any elements lower than the higher attack. 2) Fenrir's matrix calculations are slightly off. They should be around 2% higher for 0* and 1% less for 3*. 3) Fenrir teams' theoretical damage is actually higher than shown in this video, after the fixing of a few bugs. (3* calculation contribution was a bit off) - looking more like this (Fenrir 330K+): prnt.sc/2Mp6PmGMpa81
@@Maygi I don’t plan on using that comp. My rainbow comp will be Fenrir, Alyss, and Lan - so we should focus on which ever will be the DPS in that case?
@@jikookietings2507 Lan isn't out yet, so how could anyone answer that question? The true answer is full rolls into flat attack, but you don't want that answer.
genuine question for more clarification. so with A3 Lin/ A1 Saki/ A1 Fenrir? the rotation will be something like 1. Lin - moonlight realm (activates saki's reset counter) 2. Saki - flashing stream (saki's reset counter = 1) 3. Fen - soul master (saki's reset counter = 2) 4. Fen A1 - aural fever (saki's reset counter = 3) 5. Fen A1 - reset aural fever (saki's reset counter = 4) considering the realm is 20 sec and saki's reset needs to activate 5 skills. What will be the final skill to trigger the reset? or saki's reset counter, count's the moment you use moonlight realm cause base on the video it doesn't.
As usual, your dedication is very much appreciated 👍👍. Thanks for rushing to get this out before the drop! TOF needs to properly recognize you as a community contributor.
Thank you so much for uploading this before her release. You are awesome! Thank you for your hard work. I always look forward to your character analysis before I pull 🙌
MAYGI HOW I thought you had to prepare for FFXIV?? You really are awesome, thank you Maygi! Super excited for fenrir and this video came at a perfect time!
Nice video maygi, i will keep support you as tof content creator since you make content based on data not based on your feelings towards the character and comparing it with other comps.
Thank you again Maygii!! 2 questions though: 1. Can Claudia viably replace Saki in the rainbow team? 2. How do you distribute attacking stats in a rainbow team? Is for instance 20k volt/altered and 15k 2nd element stronger than 17.5k each?
I did some of these calculations to see if I understood the math. And it took a while but I get it, but also to get your exact numbers I had to use 3 decimal places so I imagine you did the same. Very impressive dedication to your work!
Yeah my Tien Lang is only at A1 and this rotation of volt comp really made me thinking... like whether or not i should invest on Tien to a3 instead of Fen to a6... But what if in the same amount of time, Fenrir attack worth than 5 stack of Tien? (cause u'll have to sacrifire few second of tien lang break dance instead of using fenrir attack and skill...etc)
I’m going to be running Lin, nemesis and fenrir. Fenrir will use 2 crow and 2 Samir. Nemesis has 4 piece coco and Lin has 4 piece Lin. Would it be wise to use a 4 piece fenrir on nemesis? Or get a 4 piece tian for fenrir. My 2 piece Samir is max star and 1 of my crow matrix is max star.
@@kielqui2468 yeah I realised this shorty after commenting. My question now is, was Lin’s damage taken into calculation with the damage the matrix’s provide (tian vs fenrir) because tian gives volt damage, not volt attack. And fenrir gives final damage which Lin will benefit from. My Lin is A6 so she does a lot of damage.
@@NuclearGaming02 It is theorycrafting after all. About Lin's dmg, it seems to be included. Though with Fenrir as your main DPS, you're probably gonna use Lin only when applying buff/discharge. I already tried computing and Tian Lang matrices is up about 3~4% (4PC set) vs Fenrir 4pc. The calculation was made based on the ff: Matrices: 4pcLin(A0), 2PC Samir+ 2PC crow(a2-assuming that you're a D1 player), 4Pc Fenrir/Tian -- Weapons: Nemesis, Lin, Fenrir.
So if fenrir using lin matrices, and TL and lin both using fenrir and TL matrices all 3* vs fenrir using samir crow 3* with TL and lin 3* as offhand matrices which one better? As i assume from your videos it that it's really no need to pull. Well tbh seeing her 2 set matrices only gives little boost crit dmg and if for rainbow team we still using TL matrices? Because his 4set matrices need volt weapon skill or discharge
Your effort is highly appreciated! However, i feel that the Fenrir 3-star advancement has like 20 - 30% DPS increase on Saki's team .... Assuming that you do Fenrir's full rotation 2 times and you attack both the spirit and physical body of the enemy, the total % multiplier would be like 7418% and the Songworld Quake would add another 2600% of top (650*4). (2600/7418)*100 = about 35% dps increase and on my Lin Saki Fenrir team, Fenrir does like 75% of Damage and mostly from skill spamming. What are your thoughts on this one? Thanks in Advance!
Hi !! Good catch - I double checked the logic and math and found a bug with the quake count! It turns out to be a ~13% increase in DMG for a Saki team, as opposed to the smol amount it was before
Thanks for all the analysis Maygi! Just wanted to Fenrir's optimal note generation combo. It's basically: 1) Fall + Roar (this generates 2 notes) 2) Dodge attack (the dodge generates 1 note, and then the dodge attack itself detonates the 3 notes that have been generated so far) 3) Repeat Did I understand that right? And also, what are the key inputs for Fall + Roar? Edit: Also just noticed something. Are you saying that in a Rainbow Saki comp where you have A6 Lin, you never swap into Saki? She's just there for the skill reset?
Yes, that's correct! For the Fall + Roar, do Jump, hold, then hold again ~ you can instantly cancel the roar as soon as it starts with a dodge, then cancel the dodge as soon as it hits with another jump~ And in an A6 Lin comp, for every rotation with an extra Lin field (not every rotation will have one), you don't need to go to Saki! But you'll have times where you'll need to use that Saki skill still..
@@lsnexus2080 Lin's balance field acts as a resonance for all elements technically speaking, it activates any skill or passive or matrix that requires resonance to work
I mean, they didn't balance him and he came in high and mighty and to this day there is only 1 single Tian on my server doing more dps than my samir 6* with 4pc 3* matrices. And that Tian is maxed out 6* 4pc 3* difference is he is also maxed out on the other 2 characters. Where as my other two characters are 4pc 0* his are 4pc 3*. So for sure that's why he does more dps and even then not by much just +/- 10m dps. Every other Tian doesn't even come close to my Samir 40m+ dps in 30 seconds on hotta studios cactus in mirroria. I tried my own Tian 3* with 4pc 1* many times with all the matrices I own and he barely comes up to 27m. Given than Fenrir has received and overall 50%-65% nerf in EVERYTHING I don't think she adds anything more than 7-10% increasee in dps when MAXED. Now do I really want to spend that much money to max her for a 7-10% dps increase? Not really. Who is this character for? Frost just got Alyss and I doubt they'll drop her to swap to Rainbow Fenrir.
if I want tian to be the on field weapon, with nemesis-tian-fenrir team (example fenrir only b0 or b1, neme b6 tian b3), what is the rotation for them? 😢
Was listening to this episode in the background while doing other irl things, and when I heard "Oral Fever," my "wut, did I hear that right?" face couldn't jump back in fast enough lol
Hey Maygi, thanks for the nice math on Fenrir btw did u use 3* 4p-Claudia matrices on Claudia for the calculation of Fenrir+Claudia+Lin comp (dolphin version)?
with this combo in volt team, i think my a1 tien lang didn't have a chance to stack 5 charge since fenrir is 95% on the field. This lead me to a new question that is whether or not i should invest my tien to a3 instead of maximize fenrir to a6 (a3 probably enough... i guess)
I’d say getting fenrir to a6 will give you a bigger power spike. Tian is just not worth it at this point since fenrir is shatter with high damage. It’s better to wait for new volt character that’s coming soon and she could be a charger which gonna benefit volt even more. Or you can consider getting Fiona to replace Tian instead, that also works.
Tian useless? Lmao frost main detected. Dont listen to this guy he clearly doesn’t own Tian lol. Superconductor stacks whenever you discharge with volt weapon, so in this case, discharge with Tian skill, then charge with Lin , skill reset if you have a6 Lin, use Tian skill to stack 1 conductor, then discharge back to Fenrir. If you’re volt main you need fen and tian resonance so go for their A3. Tian volt passive off field buff is a must if you’re a volt main, he’s a great buffer for Fen. You don’t need to A6 Fen, crit is optional. For low spenders, A3 Tian and A3 Fen is the ideal volt dps team.
Thank you so much as always, you're awesome :D I haven't watched the video yet but I know it contains all I'm looking for so I write this beforehand lol
It's OK to do, but not ideal - it's better to spread it out to make sure you have uptime for the buff. You have plenty of time to rotate between your weapons to use those your extra Lin charges~
Would fenrir be good for my account? I have A1 alyss, A1 saki, A0 lin, A0 frigg. Since the rainbow comp in very strong im confused if fenrir would be good or i should wait for icarus. The reasons why im contemplating Fenrir as a frost main is because she looks fun and it gives me a bit of variety in my account but i dont want to pull if icarus would just be a lot better for me
So I'm gonna A6 Fenrir and try maxing her Matrices, is it worth trying to go for Tian Lang when he gets rerun in a couple weeks for a volt team? i have over 500 Red nucs and 60k DC (and 260~ matrix pulls) to max Fenrir so i assume i'll have some leftover be able to get Tian Lang, idk about his matrices tho, i know they're recommended over Fenrir's but I want everything Fenrir maxed because yes. but what matrices would be good for him in a Fenrir comp if i can't get his or is he even worth it when i have A6 Nemesis already.
umm hey Maygi.. which one is better between Claudia or Fenrir matrice for off-field buff? well.. let's say.. Fenrir uses 2 Samir + 2 Crow Tian uses 4 Fenrir Lin uses 4 Lin compared to Fenrir uses 2 Samir + 2 Crow Tiang uses 4 Lin Lin uses 4 Claudia
As a rainbow main, I found it's more optimal to cancel the discharge from Lin and Saki unless it's for purposes. That means Claudia's matrices is contributing even less. Ideally you'll want a different off field matrices
The reset also has a 15s cooldown. However, since Songworld lasts 30s, you Aural Fever + reset + Aural Fever at the beginning, then 15s later, it comes off cooldown then you can use Aural Fever + reset + Aural Fever again~
Hi Maygi. A really great deep dive you presented. I just have a question regarding gear stats for the rainbow team. Should I prioritize volt attack or keep volt and frost close?
I used the calculator, and found my rainbow team would do more damage than if I used a team with TL (I plan on getting one for apex on this rerun). However, what I couldn't tell, because it wasn't an option was if the TL 2p would be worth getting. I have a Lin and Saki 4p, 0*, so typically I use them on their respective characters. Saki is only 3*, but Lin and Fenrir are 6*. I'm currently using Samir crow 2p on Fenrir (samir is 3*, but crow is both 2*) Obviously, you wouldn't know for sure, without seeing my account directly, but in your opinion, would a 2p TL have more value for my rainbow team? I was considering Samir 3* TL 0* 2p on Fenrir.
As long as Fenrir is in play, TL 2-piece is massive value, especially in single-target situations. Saki 4p doesn't do much in this comp as it primarily benefits Frost damage (which is like ~10% of the total damage output), so you could put Saki on 2 Tian + 2 King ~
For a team of Lin crow tian (Lin 4pc,Claudia 4pc, samir/crow matrices) Is it worth getting fenrir or tian matrices? I want to replace the samir/crow but don't know whether or not to get fenrirs or tian 4pc.
I know this is a Fenrir specific guide but, what would you suggest for matrices for saki/lin on rainbow? 4pc lin on lin, samir/crow/fen/tian options on fenrir; but what would we run on saki?
So uhm. What do you guys say? Me dum dum 3* the fenrir matrices. I have lyra and crow/samir matrices 3* too. I right now have equipped: Fenrir: Crow/Lyra 3* Lin: Lin 4pc 3* Tian: Fenrir 4pc 3* Dont ask why xD.. Now i want to get the Tian matrices into that. Should i swap out the Crow/Lyra or Fenrir out of that? ..
With A1, right after using your skill, you'll have Aural Fever available. Upon detonating 3+ notes, the cooldown gets reset (as long as the CD is above 5s). If you miss the skill and don't generate a clone (e.g. you use it when boss is /invuln), then you don't get Aural Fever~
I don't know if you have pulled fenrir or not, but before I had a similar tim comp before pull fenrir, after I got fenrir for the first time I could be dmg no 1 in fch and raid :') So my answer pull fenrir My tim comp now lin+fenrir+crow
Am I the only one that's mad coz tian just can't be on top even with fenrir, considering his high risk high reward and also the removal of his s? Even nemesis is on par with tion? This is so........
yeah this kinda weird when i think about it too. Like A3 fenrir literally require lost 45% of hp in order to deal dmg and who else could make that happen easier than TIen Lang? I really confused how the raibow comp can get more dmg buff on fenrir A3 than volt comp in this case
@@tsuhao7767 I really don't get what the devs are smoking,.. They have shafted tion so much... At this point, it's just either maygi's estimates are inaccurate or the devs just really hate tion so much,...
Thanks for the video! I have one question tho. Do you know how the on field crow matrix will interact with off field fenrir matrix. The crow crit dmg is higher but only applies when enemy is lower than 60% max hp. So if the enemy is nearly full hp we will get the fenrir crit dmg% values and when the enemy drops below 60% hp we will get the crow crit dmg% buff?
Lmao I took a break with alyss release what do you mean fenrir is already here. I thought we'd only catch up at summer but we might catch up before april is over.
Thank you again math fairy for this in depth analysis of Fenrir! I just wanna know how much the difference would be for a nem/tian/lin comp vs fen/tian/lin comp at low advancements, since Nemesis could be getting to standard soon and her a6 will be much more attainable for f2p players. Like, at what point does fenrir become better than an a6 nemesis for f2p players? Thanks for your answer
@@Kataku_Shuji I stopped playing a week ago but I think there's gonna be a large differential due to tian's passive and his chonky discharge modifier, but still its pretty viable especially when you get a6 nem.
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Hi everyone! There are some things in here that a bit out-of-date - defense pen is now 20% (some tables still mention 15%), and the A5 DOT is nerfed from 2% -> 1.5% max HP. These changes are very minimal and shouldn't affect any important comparisons.
Also apologies if the quality is a bit lower than normal! I had to put this together in 2 days (calculator work, consolidation of maths, script writing, recording, editing) as I'll be busy with other things for the rest of this week.
If there are any other updates, I'll add them to this comment:
UPDATES
1) I've fixed a bunch of abnormalities with the calculator... however, when using it, make sure you set your attack stats properly, even for elements that aren't used in the build! The calculator will weight down any elements lower than the higher attack.
2) Fenrir's matrix calculations are slightly off. They should be around 2% higher for 0* and 1% less for 3*.
3) Fenrir teams' theoretical damage is actually higher than shown in this video, after the fixing of a few bugs. (3* calculation contribution was a bit off) - looking more like this (Fenrir 330K+): prnt.sc/2Mp6PmGMpa81
Can you give us a Rainbow Comp gear/equipment guide? How do we balance the elements? Rolling into general ATK is unrealistic in this game…
@@jikookietings2507 You can pretty much just focus on Volt; Saki does like ~5% of the damage in that comp, so Frost ATK is really a non-factor!
@@Maygi I don’t plan on using that comp. My rainbow comp will be Fenrir, Alyss, and Lan - so we should focus on which ever will be the DPS in that case?
@@jikookietings2507 Lan isn't out yet, so how could anyone answer that question? The true answer is full rolls into flat attack, but you don't want that answer.
genuine question for more clarification.
so with A3 Lin/ A1 Saki/ A1 Fenrir?
the rotation will be something like
1. Lin - moonlight realm (activates saki's reset counter)
2. Saki - flashing stream (saki's reset counter = 1)
3. Fen - soul master (saki's reset counter = 2)
4. Fen A1 - aural fever (saki's reset counter = 3)
5. Fen A1 - reset aural fever (saki's reset counter = 4)
considering the realm is 20 sec and saki's reset needs to activate 5 skills. What will be the final skill to trigger the reset? or saki's reset counter, count's the moment you use moonlight realm cause base on the video it doesn't.
You are a godsend for people trying to maximise their budget. Knowing what to prioritize for which teams is immensely helpful.
As usual, your dedication is very much appreciated 👍👍. Thanks for rushing to get this out before the drop! TOF needs to properly recognize you as a community contributor.
Thank you so much for uploading this before her release. You are awesome! Thank you for your hard work. I always look forward to your character analysis before I pull 🙌
Thank you for posting this before her release. I know you said you had a busy week. We appreciate your hard work.
Glad you were able to upload this before you disappeared into the FFXIV grind! lol
MAYGI HOW I thought you had to prepare for FFXIV?? You really are awesome, thank you Maygi! Super excited for fenrir and this video came at a perfect time!
Nice video maygi, i will keep support you as tof content creator since you make content based on data not based on your feelings towards the character and comparing it with other comps.
Your video editing and quality is excellent, not to mention your math and dedication to do research~ Great job and video, woof~!
That last test phase was really interesting. Definitely helps with seeing the full picture.
Amazing as always, thank you! ❤
Thank you again Maygii!! 2 questions though: 1. Can Claudia viably replace Saki in the rainbow team? 2. How do you distribute attacking stats in a rainbow team? Is for instance 20k volt/altered and 15k 2nd element stronger than 17.5k each?
As she already mentioned in the pinned comment reply for saki, just focus on volt atk, other attack damage is just roughly 5%
You ignore the second element and focus on the main one.
@@babu-oh8ss yep, saw it! cheers
I did some of these calculations to see if I understood the math. And it took a while but I get it, but also to get your exact numbers I had to use 3 decimal places so I imagine you did the same. Very impressive dedication to your work!
I'm here again to appreciate your math magic Maygi
Amazing video as always! Cant wait for you to cover Lan when she comes after Fenrir!
Thank you for the guide :3
THANK YOU once again for your hard work. As a volt main i can't wait to get to work with fenrir :D
Thanks alot for all your time Investment into your good guides, i appreciate your videos and looking forward to them! 🙏
The standard rotation is only valid if you have A3 tian and A1 Fenrir. Less than that you have to have Tian onfield attacking a lot more.
Yeah my Tien Lang is only at A1 and this rotation of volt comp really made me thinking... like whether or not i should invest on Tien to a3 instead of Fen to a6... But what if in the same amount of time, Fenrir attack worth than 5 stack of Tien? (cause u'll have to sacrifire few second of tien lang break dance instead of using fenrir attack and skill...etc)
Thanks for another analysis Maygi!
How does Fenrir, Crow (as discharge+support) and Lin compare to your rainbow comp?
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I tried this (A6 Crow, A6 Lin, A6 Fenrir), and it does around 10%-20% lower damage than my Rainbow (Saki A6) comp with Fenrir
@@coolstorybro9732 you think crow is better than nem in this case?
@@slaine8481 Nem is better if you plan on doing volt comp since Neme can be your off-field dps plus battery
I’m going to be running Lin, nemesis and fenrir. Fenrir will use 2 crow and 2 Samir. Nemesis has 4 piece coco and Lin has 4 piece Lin. Would it be wise to use a 4 piece fenrir on nemesis? Or get a 4 piece tian for fenrir. My 2 piece Samir is max star and 1 of my crow matrix is max star.
if you're planning to get Tian matrices, you better affix it to Nemesis/Lin as the effect works on the background.
@@kielqui2468 yeah I realised this shorty after commenting. My question now is, was Lin’s damage taken into calculation with the damage the matrix’s provide (tian vs fenrir) because tian gives volt damage, not volt attack. And fenrir gives final damage which Lin will benefit from. My Lin is A6 so she does a lot of damage.
@@NuclearGaming02 It is theorycrafting after all. About Lin's dmg, it seems to be included. Though with Fenrir as your main DPS, you're probably gonna use Lin only when applying buff/discharge. I already tried computing and Tian Lang matrices is up about 3~4% (4PC set) vs Fenrir 4pc. The calculation was made based on the ff: Matrices: 4pcLin(A0), 2PC Samir+ 2PC crow(a2-assuming that you're a D1 player), 4Pc Fenrir/Tian -- Weapons: Nemesis, Lin, Fenrir.
Thank you as always Maygi! Also early upload yay
Please dont stop doing like this content .. hopefully I can see your calculation and review when Lan and Icarus drop to global ☺️☺️
So if fenrir using lin matrices, and TL and lin both using fenrir and TL matrices all 3* vs fenrir using samir crow 3* with TL and lin 3* as offhand matrices which one better? As i assume from your videos it that it's really no need to pull. Well tbh seeing her 2 set matrices only gives little boost crit dmg and if for rainbow team we still using TL matrices? Because his 4set matrices need volt weapon skill or discharge
Do these numbers reflect the further nerfs that were added to global? A1 and A3 were also further nerfed (770%-720%) and (729%-650%) respectively.
I will have to see myself if this really does more damage than frost
Love the chinese version of the choco song ! Good choice as bgm for the parse
Informative and adorable, as always~
Your effort is highly appreciated!
However, i feel that the Fenrir 3-star advancement has like 20 - 30% DPS increase on Saki's team .... Assuming that you do Fenrir's full rotation 2 times and you attack both the spirit and physical body of the enemy, the total % multiplier would be like 7418% and the Songworld Quake would add another 2600% of top (650*4). (2600/7418)*100 = about 35% dps increase and on my Lin Saki Fenrir team, Fenrir does like 75% of Damage and mostly from skill spamming.
What are your thoughts on this one? Thanks in Advance!
Hi !! Good catch - I double checked the logic and math and found a bug with the quake count! It turns out to be a ~13% increase in DMG for a Saki team, as opposed to the smol amount it was before
@@Maygi Thank you so much !
U R the best TOF content creator for f2p and dolphin players 👌😊
Finally it's my time to shine with Rainbow!!! I've held off on Tian, Alyss, and Lyra because I didn't like them.
Thank you so much for this! I can now finally let my Samir rest.
For rainbow comp is it better to focus on Volt attack, or a mixture of volt/frost if paired with Saki ??
since you are not going to use saki 90% of the time and is there for just the reset, its better for a volt atk themed gear
Thanks for all the analysis Maygi! Just wanted to Fenrir's optimal note generation combo. It's basically:
1) Fall + Roar (this generates 2 notes)
2) Dodge attack (the dodge generates 1 note, and then the dodge attack itself detonates the 3 notes that have been generated so far)
3) Repeat
Did I understand that right? And also, what are the key inputs for Fall + Roar?
Edit: Also just noticed something. Are you saying that in a Rainbow Saki comp where you have A6 Lin, you never swap into Saki? She's just there for the skill reset?
1st rotation you use 2 lin skill + 3 fenrir skill reset then 2nd rotation you have to use saki coz you will only have 1 lin skill charge
Yes, that's correct! For the Fall + Roar, do Jump, hold, then hold again ~ you can instantly cancel the roar as soon as it starts with a dodge, then cancel the dodge as soon as it hits with another jump~
And in an A6 Lin comp, for every rotation with an extra Lin field (not every rotation will have one), you don't need to go to Saki! But you'll have times where you'll need to use that Saki skill still..
@@Maygi doesn't Saki's A1 need Frost resonance to trigger the reset?
@@lsnexus2080 Lin's balance field acts as a resonance for all elements technically speaking, it activates any skill or passive or matrix that requires resonance to work
curious on Fenrir dmg compare with Tian dmg since Tian didn't get "balanced"
I mean, they didn't balance him and he came in high and mighty and to this day there is only 1 single Tian on my server doing more dps than my samir 6* with 4pc 3* matrices. And that Tian is maxed out 6* 4pc 3* difference is he is also maxed out on the other 2 characters. Where as my other two characters are 4pc 0* his are 4pc 3*. So for sure that's why he does more dps and even then not by much just +/- 10m dps. Every other Tian doesn't even come close to my Samir 40m+ dps in 30 seconds on hotta studios cactus in mirroria. I tried my own Tian 3* with 4pc 1* many times with all the matrices I own and he barely comes up to 27m. Given than Fenrir has received and overall 50%-65% nerf in EVERYTHING I don't think she adds anything more than 7-10% increasee in dps when MAXED. Now do I really want to spend that much money to max her for a 7-10% dps increase? Not really. Who is this character for? Frost just got Alyss and I doubt they'll drop her to swap to Rainbow Fenrir.
@@RobertFierce Fenrir adds insane shield breaking and also she can self heal which is very nice for hard content.
Maygi, will saki alyss fenrir comp do great damage ?
this deserves more views
This is really good content. Also thanks a lot for the subs since I'm deaf, keep going 🙏
This is amazing great job!
I'm curious how this new volt comp compares to a volt comp without fenrir? Like what about the damage potential for Lin/Tian/Crow at max investment
I was dumb and spent a large majority of my savings on Alyss but good to see A1 is mostly where her power lies.
if I want tian to be the on field weapon, with nemesis-tian-fenrir team (example fenrir only b0 or b1, neme b6 tian b3), what is the rotation for them? 😢
Was listening to this episode in the background while doing other irl things, and when I heard "Oral Fever," my "wut, did I hear that right?" face couldn't jump back in fast enough lol
Iam curious, if tianlang replaced by crow will it effective? So the team comp will be lin, crow, fenrir. Or better use nemesis, lin, fenrir?
A6 Crow is better than Nemesis, unless you have A6 Nemesis.
@@siphi7583 thanks for the answer
My nemesis is A6, so its better use nemesis right?
@@ReinZes Yep, A6 she's better than A6 Crow but not by much, still better is better.
Hey Maygi, thanks for the nice math on Fenrir
btw did u use 3* 4p-Claudia matrices on Claudia for the calculation of Fenrir+Claudia+Lin comp (dolphin version)?
with this combo in volt team, i think my a1 tien lang didn't have a chance to stack 5 charge since fenrir is 95% on the field. This lead me to a new question that is whether or not i should invest my tien to a3 instead of maximize fenrir to a6 (a3 probably enough... i guess)
I’d say getting fenrir to a6 will give you a bigger power spike. Tian is just not worth it at this point since fenrir is shatter with high damage. It’s better to wait for new volt character that’s coming soon and she could be a charger which gonna benefit volt even more. Or you can consider getting Fiona to replace Tian instead, that also works.
Tian useless? Lmao frost main detected. Dont listen to this guy he clearly doesn’t own Tian lol. Superconductor stacks whenever you discharge with volt weapon, so in this case, discharge with Tian skill, then charge with Lin , skill reset if you have a6 Lin, use Tian skill to stack 1 conductor, then discharge back to Fenrir. If you’re volt main you need fen and tian resonance so go for their A3. Tian volt passive off field buff is a must if you’re a volt main, he’s a great buffer for Fen. You don’t need to A6 Fen, crit is optional. For low spenders, A3 Tian and A3 Fen is the ideal volt dps team.
I have tian a6 and 4 pieces of his matrices no star do you recommend getting hers no star or investing on tian when he come back for more stars
And i will a6 her for sure
Go for Tian.
You are my chocolate! Choco Choco!
Thank you so much as always, you're awesome :D
I haven't watched the video yet but I know it contains all I'm looking for so I write this beforehand lol
Very good analysis Maygi=)
Choco choco! So excited for Fenrir!
Thank you so much for this video it helps me a lot especially since I did not have tian nor saki🥺
Hi Maygi! if fenrir's matrices are recommended to skip, then is it recommended to pull 4pc tian lang?
Just wondering, if I do 2x Lin Field in the rotation basically Ive screwed?
It's OK to do, but not ideal - it's better to spread it out to make sure you have uptime for the buff. You have plenty of time to rotate between your weapons to use those your extra Lin charges~
What should i use for rainbow team when I lack saki? Is nemesis good?
Your videos are so good!
Thoughts on an A6 party of Lin + Alyss + Fenrir? 😬
why all your video didn't tell me which trait you are using best for her comp
Time for Rainbow teamcomps to shine!
Would fenrir be good for my account? I have A1 alyss, A1 saki, A0 lin, A0 frigg. Since the rainbow comp in very strong im confused if fenrir would be good or i should wait for icarus. The reasons why im contemplating Fenrir as a frost main is because she looks fun and it gives me a bit of variety in my account but i dont want to pull if icarus would just be a lot better for me
So I'm gonna A6 Fenrir and try maxing her Matrices, is it worth trying to go for Tian Lang when he gets rerun in a couple weeks for a volt team? i have over 500 Red nucs and 60k DC (and 260~ matrix pulls) to max Fenrir so i assume i'll have some leftover be able to get Tian Lang, idk about his matrices tho, i know they're recommended over Fenrir's but I want everything Fenrir maxed because yes. but what matrices would be good for him in a Fenrir comp if i can't get his or is he even worth it when i have A6 Nemesis already.
umm hey Maygi.. which one is better between Claudia or Fenrir matrice for off-field buff?
well.. let's say..
Fenrir uses 2 Samir + 2 Crow
Tian uses 4 Fenrir
Lin uses 4 Lin
compared to
Fenrir uses 2 Samir + 2 Crow
Tiang uses 4 Lin
Lin uses 4 Claudia
As a rainbow main, I found it's more optimal to cancel the discharge from Lin and Saki unless it's for purposes. That means Claudia's matrices is contributing even less. Ideally you'll want a different off field matrices
@@Kaileris yeah.. but I want answers for regular Volt Team
What if i have around 50% or less Crit Rate? Are 2pc samir/crow still better than 4pc Fenrir?
So Nemesis+Tian >> Tian+Lin except in max invest?
so Fenrir matrices are not worth so i should go for 2pc lyra?
Should I use Nem A3 instead if my Tian is only A0?
use crow if you have him a6. hes basically a free 20% volt boost relic at a6, just remember to discharge on him for the damage boost
Which simulacra is better to use in this team composition: Samir, Tian Lang, Lin or Fenrir?
Hi, how come my Fenrir A1 can only do 2 aural fever and then cooldown does not reset when I try a third time?
The reset also has a 15s cooldown. However, since Songworld lasts 30s, you Aural Fever + reset + Aural Fever at the beginning, then 15s later, it comes off cooldown then you can use Aural Fever + reset + Aural Fever again~
My line up will eventually be A3 Tian, A6 LIN, and A1 Fenrir. Can I use 4 pc Shiro on Tian, 4 pc Lin on Lin and 2pc crow/samir on Fenrir?
In the calculator crowC6>> LinC3, thats correct?? (tian C1, fenrir C1 team)
Hi Maygi. A really great deep dive you presented. I just have a question regarding gear stats for the rainbow team.
Should I prioritize volt attack or keep volt and frost close?
Volt is a huge majority of the damage distribution - Saki is just there to look pretty and provide resets (she does
@@Maygi I see now, thanks✨
I used the calculator, and found my rainbow team would do more damage than if I used a team with TL (I plan on getting one for apex on this rerun). However, what I couldn't tell, because it wasn't an option was if the TL 2p would be worth getting. I have a Lin and Saki 4p, 0*, so typically I use them on their respective characters. Saki is only 3*, but Lin and Fenrir are 6*. I'm currently using Samir crow 2p on Fenrir (samir is 3*, but crow is both 2*) Obviously, you wouldn't know for sure, without seeing my account directly, but in your opinion, would a 2p TL have more value for my rainbow team? I was considering Samir 3* TL 0* 2p on Fenrir.
As long as Fenrir is in play, TL 2-piece is massive value, especially in single-target situations. Saki 4p doesn't do much in this comp as it primarily benefits Frost damage (which is like ~10% of the total damage output), so you could put Saki on 2 Tian + 2 King ~
how should i rotate if i am using nemesis,samir or crow?
thank you so much for the content :D
Thank you once again Math Fairy
Hello.. Can I ask, if the 2 matrix fenrir Cdmg still stack with 2 crow matrix Cdmg? (because on 2 set piece fenrir description doesn't stack Cdmg )
For a team of Lin crow tian (Lin 4pc,Claudia 4pc, samir/crow matrices)
Is it worth getting fenrir or tian matrices?
I want to replace the samir/crow but don't know whether or not to get fenrirs or tian 4pc.
I know this is a Fenrir specific guide but, what would you suggest for matrices for saki/lin on rainbow? 4pc lin on lin, samir/crow/fen/tian options on fenrir; but what would we run on saki?
So uhm. What do you guys say? Me dum dum 3* the fenrir matrices. I have lyra and crow/samir matrices 3* too. I right now have equipped:
Fenrir: Crow/Lyra 3*
Lin: Lin 4pc 3*
Tian: Fenrir 4pc 3*
Dont ask why xD.. Now i want to get the Tian matrices into that. Should i swap out the Crow/Lyra or Fenrir out of that? ..
Can fenrir work with fiona and lan?
Maygi can you explain the new rainbow equipment coming?
Thank you magical math fairy.
without tian skill buff, is her Soundwave Frenzy susceptible to knockbacks/interruption?
of.course.
Decide to skip Fenrir for Gunono. Can't wait we catch up to CN so u can do Gunono analysis
How to activate aural fever? Sometimes I can click it and sometimes not?
With A1, right after using your skill, you'll have Aural Fever available. Upon detonating 3+ notes, the cooldown gets reset (as long as the CD is above 5s). If you miss the skill and don't generate a clone (e.g. you use it when boss is /invuln), then you don't get Aural Fever~
@@Maygi thank you!
so would you reckon that rainbow comps are better than volt?
"Push all the buttons" best tldr right there XD
You forgot Alyss, Saki, Fenrir which is probably higher than anything else currently.
One question, If I'm planning on pulling only for Fenrir or Tian Lang, having a a6 Lin, Crow and Samir, which one would be better to pull for?
Fenrir
I don't know if you have pulled fenrir or not, but before I had a similar tim comp before pull fenrir, after I got fenrir for the first time I could be dmg no 1 in fch and raid :')
So my answer pull fenrir
My tim comp now lin+fenrir+crow
Am I the only one that's mad coz tian just can't be on top even with fenrir, considering his high risk high reward and also the removal of his s? Even nemesis is on par with tion? This is so........
yeah this kinda weird when i think about it too. Like A3 fenrir literally require lost 45% of hp in order to deal dmg and who else could make that happen easier than TIen Lang? I really confused how the raibow comp can get more dmg buff on fenrir A3 than volt comp in this case
nemesis on par with tion? there's like 20% more dmg with tion
@@nicowst4515 where did you get that? coz I'm literally looking at maygi's comparison graphs 11:20,... did you even watch the video?
@@tsuhao7767 I really don't get what the devs are smoking,.. They have shafted tion so much... At this point, it's just either maygi's estimates are inaccurate or the devs just really hate tion so much,...
Use A1 Saki with full Hp same dps
Can you do alyss and fernir?
Hi Maygi! Do you think Fenrir A1 with tian lang A0 is enough or does he need A1 too? Amazing vídeo btw.
May i know what matrices did u use for ur showcase (last clip) maygi? Thx ur video r very helpfull :-)
Thanks for the video! I have one question tho. Do you know how the on field crow matrix will interact with off field fenrir matrix. The crow crit dmg is higher but only applies when enemy is lower than 60% max hp. So if the enemy is nearly full hp we will get the fenrir crit dmg% values and when the enemy drops below 60% hp we will get the crow crit dmg% buff?
i think when it drops to 60% it will get both of the crit dmg increase
Lmao I took a break with alyss release what do you mean fenrir is already here. I thought we'd only catch up at summer but we might catch up before april is over.
Really good video así always, thank you 😄. I would like to hear your thought on nemesis + fenrir now that she Is getting to the standard banner
FINALLY FENRIR IS HERE IVE BEEN WAITING FOR SO LONG
Thank you pink math fairy 🙏best of luck w/ hildibrand farming~
God bless your soul Maygi!
Thank you again math fairy for this in depth analysis of Fenrir! I just wanna know how much the difference would be for a nem/tian/lin comp vs fen/tian/lin comp at low advancements, since Nemesis could be getting to standard soon and her a6 will be much more attainable for f2p players. Like, at what point does fenrir become better than an a6 nemesis for f2p players? Thanks for your answer
Did you find out? Nemesis just got released into standard and i have no clue on what to do
@@Kataku_Shuji I stopped playing a week ago but I think there's gonna be a large differential due to tian's passive and his chonky discharge modifier, but still its pretty viable especially when you get a6 nem.
Does her A6 boost the Crit rate of background attacks from other weapons?
Yep! The crit rate boost is a visible stat increase that you can see on your character page, so it'll benefit all attacks~
@@Maygi Thank you!
Thank you for the analysis as always! However, there's a question i'm dying to know the answer to: how valuable is Tion's A3 compared to his A1?