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  • (EDIT) You guys are amazing. Just amazing. I can't tell you how wild it's been to see this EIGHT year old project, um, blowing up? It really means a lot- I know it's an old piece, but it was one of the last projects I did at art school and is still pretty special to me. I truly appreciate everyone's comments and enthusiasm and just... you guys are the best.
    Also, if anyone's interested, I'm redoing it. I've been feeling really nostalgic about the whole thing and decided to go back and make a more polished animatic (I work in animation now so hopefully that'll help lol). Once it's finished, I'll post it over on my GloriaDrewThis channel: / @gloriadrewthis
    Till then, if you want to check out what I've been doing in the past, yeah, eight years:
    Instagram: @gloriadrewthis
    Twitter: /gloriadrewthis
    ***********
    An exercise done to try and work on the differences between presenting a board statically and presenting it as an animatic (also trying to work on finding a process I'm happy with....).
    So.... this is what I was thinking- instead of a slow demise into greed.... what if there was one, precise moment where the once-ler had to make a choice about which way he was going to fall? I figured the "lighting ceremony" of Thneedville (aka turning on the power and zapping of all the natural resources of the area) would be a good place to start.
    Characters and "Biggering" (c) Seuss and Illumination Entertainment
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  • @jokirb2739
    @jokirb2739 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20106

    _"Here's an emotionally charged song that perfectly displays the Onceler's greed and also fits perfectly with the original narrative and theme of The Lorax."_
    Illumination: *We don't do that here.*

    • @absolite6
      @absolite6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +856

      Writers: _Creates Biggering_
      Illumination: *Chopping block for this I think*

    • @vigilabo3007
      @vigilabo3007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +566

      I mean it hits to close to home for them

    • @jokirb2739
      @jokirb2739 3 ปีที่แล้ว +92

      @@vigilabo3007 you mean close to home

    • @vigilabo3007
      @vigilabo3007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      @@jokirb2739 ya, It was 4 in the morning for me Imao

    • @user-kx8pu6ys5i
      @user-kx8pu6ys5i 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@vigilabo3007 you mean too?

  • @Alini_
    @Alini_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4078

    Dr Suess is crying that this wasn’t in the movie.

    • @jelliforever8580
      @jelliforever8580 3 ปีที่แล้ว +147

      Dr.Seuss crying sounds nice

    • @pcvrisepic
      @pcvrisepic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +127

      @@jelliforever8580 what

    • @adorations
      @adorations 3 ปีที่แล้ว +191

      @@jelliforever8580 everyone makes mistakes. if you ever became famous, and your life gets put under a glass, people can literally find the worst things you did and use that as reasons to dislike you. he changed, read deeper. he brought happiness to children all over the world before he died, and that's what matters.

    • @pcvrisepic
      @pcvrisepic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      @@jelliforever8580 I know, but nobody really is, I don’t think it’s fair to put famous people under a glass of good and once you see something bad, to think of them as a bad person. Normal people do the same bad things as he did and everybody makes mistakes

    • @justinus8608
      @justinus8608 3 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      Everyone is crying this wasn't in

  • @huntercool2232
    @huntercool2232 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6812

    I like how in “How Bad Can I Be?” The Lorax is trying to save the trees, but in “Biggering” he’s trying to save the Onceler.

    • @dearlybeloved4041
      @dearlybeloved4041 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +355

      i agree so much with this omg

    • @charlieelioooo
      @charlieelioooo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +152

      Dam bro this is good

    • @huntercool2232
      @huntercool2232 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +269

      @@charlieelioooo It wasn’t my comment unfortunately. I got it from another video, but it was just so good I thought I’d share it.

    • @yg6484
      @yg6484 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

      @@huntercool2232well I’m glad you did.

    • @MikeWazowskixxx
      @MikeWazowskixxx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly what the anti woke community is trying to do
      They don’t want to be against minorities they want misled black people to be grateful again

  • @dunkev4152
    @dunkev4152 ปีที่แล้ว +6813

    I can't imagine how pissed the guy who sung his soul out for this song was when Illumination rejected it

    • @astrobeth
      @astrobeth ปีที่แล้ว +174

      Ed helms

    • @calibricalypso
      @calibricalypso ปีที่แล้ว +647

      ​@sanrio enjoyer Iirc, this is the demo, so Ed Helms himself never sang it, because the song didn't make it that far in the production process (which is a shame, really. We were robbed)

    • @mairokindasus8807
      @mairokindasus8807 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +344

      I would have loved to actually hear Ed Helms sing it, but yeah it's a shame that it got rejected in the first place

    • @sloft-70
      @sloft-70 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

      @@mairokindasus8807 AI can do it, I mean Mr Krabs and Freddy Mercury sang it.

    • @fernoagent8581
      @fernoagent8581 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +252

      ​@@sloft-70that i a cursed sentence i don't want to hear it again

  • @madz2013
    @madz2013 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10406

    Imagine the emotional impact this would've had.

    • @EyeOfArgus
      @EyeOfArgus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +350

      Unfortunately Illumination doesn’t like taking risks

    • @yatzibe
      @yatzibe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +154

      they preferred the catchiness of "how bad can i be" /neg

    • @justsomeguywhoishalfghoul7247
      @justsomeguywhoishalfghoul7247 3 ปีที่แล้ว +98

      Well we would have to change a bit like give some build up to this and than make the movie more darker so that this doesn’t feel out of place in the movie also so it feels more like the book and than we got a good movie on our hands

    • @anib8863
      @anib8863 3 ปีที่แล้ว +215

      @@justsomeguywhoishalfghoul7247 The original script was probably much different then what we got, this would have likely fit in context of said script.

    • @theguestkid5651
      @theguestkid5651 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      yup

  • @laurendelune7618
    @laurendelune7618 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14679

    This is so ironic that this got cut because of corporate greed

    • @lucaspec7284
      @lucaspec7284 3 ปีที่แล้ว +800

      how bad can they be xD

    • @thegarshinator7178
      @thegarshinator7178 3 ปีที่แล้ว +721

      @@lucaspec7284 they were just biggering
      *ironic*

    • @thereestersheetser543
      @thereestersheetser543 3 ปีที่แล้ว +485

      But ya know you can't really blame greed no that's stupid you see it has a little worm inside and that one always needs to feed and it's never satisfied you get it? and the more you try to find it the more it likes to hide and that's a NASTY little worm and I like to call it
      Pride

    • @thegarshinator7178
      @thegarshinator7178 3 ปีที่แล้ว +220

      See? That's why they're biggering

    • @justsomeguywhoishalfghoul7247
      @justsomeguywhoishalfghoul7247 3 ปีที่แล้ว +186

      They won’t stop biggering and triggering more biggering

  • @billcipher147
    @billcipher147 ปีที่แล้ว +2702

    Y'all gotta keep in mind, this was just one song. It would've been extremely weird for only this one song to be so dark, so it's safe to assume that the rest of the movie would've followed suit in tone had this gone through. One can only imagine just how powerful this movie's message would have been, and likely was planned to be at some point. A movie about corporate greed ended up being ruined by corporate greed. The joke practically writes itself, and yet I don't feel like laughing.

    • @ladyalicent705
      @ladyalicent705 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +530

      Okay but “A movie about corporate greed ended up being ruined by corporate greed. The joke practically writes itself, yet I don’t feel like laughing” is an absolutely raw fucking line. Have you ever considered becoming a writer Mr Bill Cipher?

    • @8is
      @8is 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

      I hope we will one day get a movie where the capitalist will look down upon all his work, all he has accomplished, all the consequences of his work, se all those who have damned him, accused him of exploitation, short-sightedness and how god will send him straight to hell and realize one single thing: it just doesn't matter; they were all wrong and he was right.
      Kind of how Huck, at the end of "Huckleberry Finn", determines his own morality against that of his community, his state and his god and feels like a should be the villain and yet is surprised at how he simply isn't.

    • @D3c4yingb0n3s
      @D3c4yingb0n3s 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +172

      In the original version of the opening song the towns people were actually supposed to hate how fake thneedville was. It was going to be them singing about how great things are while things just casually go wrong. Sort of like they’re singing to cope. It was supposed to acknowledge how messed up thneedville was from the start, and how the people knew that but felt they couldn’t do anything. This movie could have been so metal.

    • @diegosanchez5412
      @diegosanchez5412 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

      @@D3c4yingb0n3sHearing this made me hate the final product even more.

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

      @@D3c4yingb0n3s also that originally Ted was not going to be a simp, he was going to be a greedy and selfish child who only wanted the tree to be the first child in the city to have one since there are no real trees in Thneedville, you can hear that in the demo, another fact is that in part of the song a hill is mentioned with the name of its founder (el onceler) that will become a pizza chain, implying how materialistic and consumerist they became,
      There are more interesting parts in the demo that I don't know if I can mention everything, this song along with the other songs removed from the Lorax indicates that the movie was going to be very different and more faithful to the original book, a shame

  • @D3c4yingb0n3s
    @D3c4yingb0n3s 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3294

    “Hey why’d you cut biggering? Do you think it would scare the kids?”
    “No I think it would scare the adults.”

    • @driveknight026
      @driveknight026 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

      Amazing comment

    • @GigathanLifts
      @GigathanLifts 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +169

      "You think this would scare the kids?"
      "This will give parents nightmares" -Jurassic World

    • @QrittneyWashington
      @QrittneyWashington 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Lmao

    • @Runninglizards
      @Runninglizards 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Still an underrated comment

    • @nunya6537
      @nunya6537 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@GigathanLiftsIs that... good?

  • @XavierZara
    @XavierZara 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15025

    "Biggering" is what really happened, "How Bad Can I Be" is what you say in court

    • @sofialozano4031
      @sofialozano4031 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1482

      Onceler was the one telling the story, so we could as well assume it actually WAS what happened and he just told the story as though it was the How Bad Can I Be to make it look less bad.

    • @questionablemotivegirl6054
      @questionablemotivegirl6054 3 ปีที่แล้ว +229

      Well said Dude!

    • @rammy9133
      @rammy9133 3 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      Damnnnnn

    • @zbroadcast3414
      @zbroadcast3414 3 ปีที่แล้ว +692

      Ted: So what happened after your Thneed started getting successful?
      Onceler: (Flashback of Biggering) ...It was my family’s fault. Really.

    • @smbsuperfan271
      @smbsuperfan271 3 ปีที่แล้ว +322

      @@sofialozano4031 never thought of it like that. Damn that’s powerful. Alright you’ve created my new headcannon.

  • @louche2388
    @louche2388 9 ปีที่แล้ว +29814

    *_You will never get to watch a dark, rock opera version of The Lorax_*
    I could just cry

    • @foolofhearts4553
      @foolofhearts4553 7 ปีที่แล้ว +308

      cutie patootie SAME

    • @elpatoarcade2320
      @elpatoarcade2320 5 ปีที่แล้ว +181

      Just end it

    • @twinkiesmaster69
      @twinkiesmaster69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +282

      life ain't worth it

    • @maniakk3563
      @maniakk3563 5 ปีที่แล้ว +863

      I mean the original lorax wasnt meant to be a comedy. Sure it was cartoony because it's Dr. Seuss, but it was supposed to be a semi-dark story with a serious environmental message

    • @alvarodoismil
      @alvarodoismil 4 ปีที่แล้ว +424

      If they do another Lorax remake i hope they make it actually good and put this song (when it belongs)

  • @BottoBobbs
    @BottoBobbs 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1754

    Imagine how insane Tumblr would go if this song made it into the final cut

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

      oh no

    • @ChrofonicPlague
      @ChrofonicPlague 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +165

      The wouldnt be able to handle themselves lmao

    • @trixsanimations5109
      @trixsanimations5109 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      Yeah we wouldn’t, trust me.
      Edit: Sorry I meant *would*

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@trixsanimations5109 I wish

    • @florantlover5554
      @florantlover5554 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@trixsanimations5109he speaks for the tumblrs

  • @nota113
    @nota113 ปีที่แล้ว +4762

    I feel like dreamworks would have done The Lorax right.

    • @KindaEpic
      @KindaEpic ปีที่แล้ว +392

      Dreamworks does everything right

    • @thatoneguy609
      @thatoneguy609 ปีที่แล้ว +347

      @@KindaEpic Dreamworks is kind of a crapshoot, their quality is all over the place

    • @funky5008
      @funky5008 ปีที่แล้ว +307

      @@thatoneguy609only used to. Their young kid movies are shit but the others are amazing

    • @mr_man_Sir_man
      @mr_man_Sir_man ปีที่แล้ว +509

      ​@@thatoneguy609 DreamWorks movies are ether masterpieces or garbage

    • @alexiawilliams4619
      @alexiawilliams4619 ปีที่แล้ว +165

      @@mr_man_Sir_man i agree, they put out some GREAT MOVIES such as httyd, shrek, etc, but there are some that just aren’t that good at all..

  • @Titleknown
    @Titleknown 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6300

    This song, and a lot of the film's concepts that seem like they were heavily dialed down in terms of darkness, makes me think this film suffered from what Terry Pratchett calls "A script that had all the hallmarks of being good until the studio got to ot."

    • @BillZypher
      @BillZypher 8 ปีที่แล้ว +450

      +Thomas Johnson Pretty much showing the harm of corporate greed. Never thought that a moral could be so meta...

    • @AvitalShtap
      @AvitalShtap 5 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      @@BillZypher Imagine that was on purpose LOL

    • @paladinboyd1228
      @paladinboyd1228 5 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      Mag Magnet, I wouldn’t be surprised. But that level of intelligence isn’t in Hollywood.

    • @dracocrusher
      @dracocrusher 4 ปีที่แล้ว +183

      "We can't have a film without a villain, throw in an obvious bad guy." "Can't have a kids film without a love interest plot, make the movie about getting the seed to impress a girl! Gotta hook that female demographic." "Can't make a kids film without comic relief, got to shove in stuff like those successful minion guys we have."
      Meanwhile, in the original animated film....

    • @firerulezz116
      @firerulezz116 4 ปีที่แล้ว +118

      It's Illumination, literally founded on the principle of making the cheapest films possible with the highest public appeal possible.

  • @tokka7954
    @tokka7954 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31673

    This song actually fits what the Dr Seuss's original Lorax was aiming for with the Onceler

    • @Sleepy12ftPanda
      @Sleepy12ftPanda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2871

      That's why Illumination hated it.

    • @Iluvtallyhallsm
      @Iluvtallyhallsm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +544

      yes it did

    • @an8strengthkobold360
      @an8strengthkobold360 3 ปีที่แล้ว +533

      So much better

    • @ahorribleterribleperson
      @ahorribleterribleperson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2097

      When a movie that is supposed to be a commentary of the atrocities and dangers of big, soulless corporations is handled and produced by a big, soulless corporation The Lorax is what you get.

    • @drawnwithlove3499
      @drawnwithlove3499 3 ปีที่แล้ว +638

      @@ahorribleterribleperson probably cuz Illumination is a big, selfish company

  • @ImAPimpNamedSlickbac
    @ImAPimpNamedSlickbac 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1268

    “Who cares if some things are Dying”
    This Oncler was built different

    • @dreadedgamer23
      @dreadedgamer23 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      He still said basically this line, just focused on the trees, instead of animals, too.

    • @ibis03
      @ibis03 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +143

      ​@@dreadedgamer23there is a huge difference between lines "Who cares if *few trees* are dying?" and "Who cares if *some things* are dying?". In the first one, he just says about just a few trees and tries to show that it's not very much that he's destroying. While in the second line, he clearly shows that he doesn't care at all about anything, he doesn't care what will die and in what amount. Sometimes even replacing 2 words can change the whole meaning of a quote

    • @dreadedgamer23
      @dreadedgamer23 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@ibis03 Yes, that is basically what I was saying, just in less words. I was also saying that the words not that different, not the meaning, which is different.

    • @AYVYN
      @AYVYN 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Well, it’s a principle of nature and a company is an animal

    • @adora_was_taken
      @adora_was_taken หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ibis03 idk, i always interpreted the "few trees" version to be him trying to downplay the damage because he knows how bad the truth is. like "what? no, i'm not destroying the whole ecosystem, just a few trees".

  • @scrp6638
    @scrp6638 ปีที่แล้ว +1612

    Hear me out
    How Bad Can I Be still happens the same, being the Onceler telling Ted what happened
    It then cuts to the Onceler after Ted leaves, where he recalls what really went down, that being Biggering.

    • @Cry_Crow.-.
      @Cry_Crow.-. ปีที่แล้ว +71

      @@Lime_light24probably, because he does it on the original movie too

    • @boogaloobender3462
      @boogaloobender3462 ปีที่แล้ว +126

      I thought the 2 songs should be just the once-ler at different points in his growth.

    • @scrp6638
      @scrp6638 ปีที่แล้ว +105

      @@boogaloobender3462 how bad can i be is him fantasising, and biggering is what he does? sounds pretty good too

    • @ConeHeadMan1
      @ConeHeadMan1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      Biggering is the oncelers song, how bad can i be is o hares

    • @goober81
      @goober81 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@Cry_Crow.-. *original book

  • @gplgs4640
    @gplgs4640 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7288

    Illumination scrapping a song that would have objectively made The Lorax a better movie overall and properly conveyed the message of the real Lorax story in a dark tone, solely for more profits, is the most Illumination move ever

    • @Jamsalt
      @Jamsalt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +344

      Its especially funny given the theme of the lorax

    • @randomcat5262
      @randomcat5262 3 ปีที่แล้ว +373

      hypocritical of illumination. they probably pulled the plug and said that "Biggering" was too anticorporate since they made them seem evil despite conscious, and replaced a song that said corporations were evil due to ignorance, which the big corporation was more OK with since it gave them a better excuse when something actually bad happens.

    • @jeanmichellelaurent
      @jeanmichellelaurent 3 ปีที่แล้ว +133

      Illumination are the anti dreamworks, They care more about fart jokes, and toys than the message, Unlike dreamworks who use a bit of goof off humour to keep the kids happy, but not shit all over the true narrative message.

    • @seeyoulateralligator2640
      @seeyoulateralligator2640 3 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      it’s so ironic considering the message of this song 😭

    • @WakerOfTheCryingRain
      @WakerOfTheCryingRain 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      It would’ve destroyed zootopia if they put this song in the movie

  • @Vespercold
    @Vespercold 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4921

    this was cut to make the movie more relatable
    think about that, they were literally biggering

    • @PeeperSnail
      @PeeperSnail 7 ปีที่แล้ว +318

      The problem is that they didn't handle the Onceler well in the film. Biggering or How Bad Can I Be, no matter which was chosen in the end, would have still been a shitty attempt at making him relatable if they didn't properly developed his character.
      The shift from well-intentioned hipster to greedy smug fucker was too quick that even the fandom that came out of this movie had a hard time acting like the two were the same person.

    • @FuzzyLittleBastard
      @FuzzyLittleBastard 7 ปีที่แล้ว +317

      I think if they had focused on the Onceler instead of ted it would have been a MUCH better movie

    • @louche2388
      @louche2388 7 ปีที่แล้ว +177

      remember the lorax approved SUV commercials?
      "AND THE PR PEOPLE ARE LYING"

    • @LadyYukihyo
      @LadyYukihyo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +98

      I agree. The biggest problem of this show is they focused on Ted so they lighten Onceler's personality and moral as well.

    • @PokeTube
      @PokeTube 6 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Gingereenio And It's A Kids Movie So No Smoking A Cigar.

  • @TylerFNF
    @TylerFNF ปีที่แล้ว +2756

    I like how this storyboard shows less of "look how fun for kids this movie is!" and more of how the Onceler's goals went from just keeping himself afloat to destroying as much as possible to make as many thneeds as possible to make as much money as possible, to keep, well, biggering. Also the line "who cares if some things are dying" hits soo much harder than the version that is replaced with trees, it just gives more emphasis on how the Onceler is actually causing so many animals to die and most likely go extinct.

    • @TylerFNF
      @TylerFNF ปีที่แล้ว +39

      also the song is a bop lol

    • @madisnzz
      @madisnzz ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Emphasizes the impact more as well. Trees and animals and people and the EARTH itself from capitalism.

    • @NottaMovieStar
      @NottaMovieStar 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I hate to be that person because I completely agree with what you're saying but.... how bad can I be said "who cares if a few trees are dying"

    • @mushnl4863
      @mushnl4863 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      i now headcanon that some things are only trees, and that all the animals are alive and content now in 2023

    • @starropenisthe4th786
      @starropenisthe4th786 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Also the line about the lawyers denying the truth to the public

  • @spud4056
    @spud4056 ปีที่แล้ว +1420

    idk how to explain it, but I feel like the onceler looks a lot more intimidating and scary in this storyboard than he does in the actual film

    • @lemonoid7793
      @lemonoid7793 ปีที่แล้ว +141

      probably because since it is a storyboard, the face isn't given details with makes it seem more like he, who used to be innocent, because a greedy person and anyone can turn into him. Also because his eyes are almost never seen and when they are, they look like he is insane

    • @estela654
      @estela654 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@lemonoid7793 that makes sense

    • @estela654
      @estela654 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      @@lemonoid7793 Considering that the eyes are the window of the soul, he wants to say that he has no soul.

    • @goober81
      @goober81 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      The film absolutly butchered the lorax and turned him into nothing but some kid who was manipulated by his parents, when originally he was a man who was corrupted by greed,and found out he was corrupted when it was too late

    • @DeterminismisFreedom
      @DeterminismisFreedom 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      It baffles you? Really? It baffles you a corporation didn't go with an anti-corporation message and instead went with defanged "recycle, kids, that's how you save the planet" message?

  • @voidishprattles4319
    @voidishprattles4319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22950

    Imagine Danny Devito giving us a rock speech about greed and pride. They took that from us.

    • @Logmao.
      @Logmao. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +307

      Yeah

    • @Saul_Bueno
      @Saul_Bueno 3 ปีที่แล้ว +779

      As they say in south park;
      “THEY TOK R SUNG!”

    • @LuckyRare
      @LuckyRare 3 ปีที่แล้ว +223

      To be fair it'd be an odd message to send if you compare greed to a pet "Feeding pets is bad." XD

    • @WitchHunter93
      @WitchHunter93 3 ปีที่แล้ว +803

      @@LuckyRare I think the messaging is that if you overfeed your greed then it gets out of control and always wants food. So it's kind of like an obese dog that won't control itself.

    • @LuckyRare
      @LuckyRare 3 ปีที่แล้ว +113

      @@WitchHunter93 But at the same time "If you feed it, it'll just get hungry again" applies to every living being. Generally you shouldn't feed greed at all.

  • @slucarios
    @slucarios 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9925

    Everyone feels bad for the singer, but imagine how bad the composer feels.

    • @ciarafirth6784
      @ciarafirth6784 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1316

      Like that’s so much work to put into a song that’s going to be cut

    • @World-Bass_Mapper
      @World-Bass_Mapper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +908

      I think they knew the song was going to be cut.They just wanted to give the message.

    • @accountlol7409
      @accountlol7409 3 ปีที่แล้ว +524

      @@World-Bass_Mapper I mean shove it in illumination’s face that they’re greedy

    • @idot3331
      @idot3331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +352

      Considering this is just a demo of the song, I don't think the singer would ever be the voice actor of the actual onceler character. It's just a demonstration of the song by the music production team, not the final thing.

    • @captainkraken3550
      @captainkraken3550 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      True,bro,True!

  • @Difelder
    @Difelder ปีที่แล้ว +1284

    I am just glad they actually released this to the public cause man I love this song

    • @Spidercola
      @Spidercola ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This is fan made lol

    • @Blueskiiiiii
      @Blueskiiiiii ปีที่แล้ว +57

      ​@@Spidercola nuh uh

    • @Spidercola
      @Spidercola ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Blueskiiiiii read the description

    • @getaround1276
      @getaround1276 ปีที่แล้ว +103

      @Spider the storyboard is fan-made but the song is official

    • @Spidercola
      @Spidercola ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@getaround1276 I’m not stupid I know that’s not the point of the comment

  • @Ripred25680
    @Ripred25680 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +634

    Don’t forget we also lost “YOURE ALL GOING TO JAIL!”
    So many scrapped things could’ve saved the movie

    • @chronictheaterkid
      @chronictheaterkid 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +73

      literally this song and 'you're all going to jail!' could've been the only good parts of a hellhole movie

    • @estela654
      @estela654 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      also the demo songs of the movie and the original ideas that could turn the movie into a good movie

    • @vilmavenla
      @vilmavenla 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      But instead we get funny yellow guy and YOU DIRTY DIRTBAG and the meme pop song

    • @Mihael_Lugo
      @Mihael_Lugo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@chronictheaterkidp

    • @WEYYYY874
      @WEYYYY874 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@vilmavenlaand let it grow 😄🔫

  • @ChuckNorrisGOAT
    @ChuckNorrisGOAT ปีที่แล้ว +8869

    I love this version of the Onceler, mainly because he's well aware of all the harm he's doing, he just doesn't give a shit

    • @NerfTheLamp9
      @NerfTheLamp9 ปีที่แล้ว +385

      Just like the original old movie

    • @HellVirus0919
      @HellVirus0919 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Mhm

    • @Bro-cx2jc
      @Bro-cx2jc ปีที่แล้ว +183

      Does this make the end of the song a villain's "heel-face turn" when he sees for the first time, the damage he's caused, through his past eyes rather than his present ones?

    • @_TehTJ_
      @_TehTJ_ ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Pretty much like in the book

    • @bl_nk5047
      @bl_nk5047 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      get help 🙏🙏

  • @angie.castle
    @angie.castle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3220

    I like how the Lorax here talks that Pride is what feeds Greed. Not talked about enough. There's a reason why pride is considered the deadliest of the sins

    • @1_____________________
      @1_____________________ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +301

      Although it is true, the answer isn't as simple as trying to shut your pride off. Pride is your identity, getting rid of your pride would imply getting rid of one's self. Letting that "worm" grow out of control, that's where the problem is.

    • @sheevhernandez3869
      @sheevhernandez3869 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      Like vegeta because he allow cell become perfect, became evil again by allowing babbity controlling him for a bit and when he fought perfect cell, he allow his pride come our and he was defeated. Pride may as well be the most dangerous sin in the world because it can hurt like vegeta and other heros/villans in the past. Do you get what I'm trying to say here?

    • @SunScourge
      @SunScourge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      "This is all so gratifying"...

    • @artemiostriantafyllou7986
      @artemiostriantafyllou7986 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@1_____________________ agree, except pride is not your "identity", it's not the nucleus of your existence.

    • @geardestroy
      @geardestroy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Wnating better things is not a bad thing, but when you only care about yourself and having power, and you hurt others for it, then youre just feeding your ego, greed and pride are not bad in istelfs, its when you take them to the extremes when you stop caring and start hurting

  • @boogaloobender3462
    @boogaloobender3462 ปีที่แล้ว +865

    I have absolutely no idea how nobody in Once-ler's company thought to harvest the seeds from the truffula trees they chopped down lmao

    • @Illusion397-
      @Illusion397- ปีที่แล้ว +58

      yeah they were kinda.. 🫡

    • @poyobotyahoo7494
      @poyobotyahoo7494 ปีที่แล้ว +332

      It's kinda the point.
      They were so greedy, so prideful, so careless, that they ended up biggering so much that the only thing they had left to eat to bigger, was themselves..

    • @devontheundivided9815
      @devontheundivided9815 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Company property hand them over

    • @dionaeamuscipula6649
      @dionaeamuscipula6649 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

      Say that to the people chopping down the amazon 🫠

    • @devontheundivided9815
      @devontheundivided9815 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@dionaeamuscipula6649 lmao you actually believe in the amazon?

  • @sclint1427
    @sclint1427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +403

    I know this is just a storyboard but at 4:09 the way the Lorax horrifyingly looks at the Onceler, knowing he wont stop is brilliant as it is haunting

  • @yoboibeerus1387
    @yoboibeerus1387 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20344

    "who cares if SOME THINGS are dying!"
    You almost had the balls illumination, you almost had the balls...

    • @peepeepoopoomyguy7457
      @peepeepoopoomyguy7457 3 ปีที่แล้ว +336

      Now,it has hen

    • @KallenMalefic
      @KallenMalefic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3248

      Think about it. The writers knew this song wasn't going to make it. But they wrote it anyway. They had it sung. They had the SB made. Why? Because one way or another, they wanted to say "fuck you" the the companies.

    • @stingray12323
      @stingray12323 3 ปีที่แล้ว +735

      There's a similar line in "how bad can I be" but this one is more darker tone

    • @Rancord123
      @Rancord123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +524

      @@KallenMalefic never thought of it this way, it makes a whole lot of sense tbh

    • @xleplayVA
      @xleplayVA 3 ปีที่แล้ว +874

      The difference between the how bad can i be vs this one is who has agency and knowledge of the actions. Its darker cause in this one the onceler knows he is straight up killing animals and other things than trees as a result of his actions, yet he keeps going. Im thinking about making a rough 3d versio. Of this as i 3d model for a hobby, and seeing how it turns out put to this cut song. See how good it couldve really been

  • @xoidparhsin
    @xoidparhsin ปีที่แล้ว +15586

    this makes the onceler seem like an actual villain rather than a guy who did an “oopsie” and ruined the environment

    • @account7117
      @account7117 ปีที่แล้ว +1240

      Yeah. A villain that doesn’t care for the environment if he gets money would’ve been so much more realistic.
      Sometimes there are just bad people in the world.

    • @Uhshawdude
      @Uhshawdude ปีที่แล้ว +917

      The onceler isnt even treated as a villain in the movie, they infantilize him by taking away his responsibility for the actions of his company. He’s easily manipulated by his cartoonishly evil family, who are made that way to distance them from real industrialists. The onceler in the song is repeating what many real people have told themselves to assuage their guilt for their companies crimes. This change pulls any sort of anti capitalist messaging right out of the movie.

    • @anitaxin7329
      @anitaxin7329 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      But his mom convinced him lol

    • @xoidparhsin
      @xoidparhsin ปีที่แล้ว +214

      @@anitaxin7329 you could use that argument but still, if this song was used it would make him sound like he has no remorse for his actions.

    • @Mr.Smeghead
      @Mr.Smeghead ปีที่แล้ว +243

      But- but I didn't MEAN to destroy all the wildlife, I promise it wasn't my fault! My mom convinced me! I swear it was an accident! Anyway, on a side note, Thneeds are now half price.

  • @SourGummi1118
    @SourGummi1118 ปีที่แล้ว +152

    “How bad can I be” is what he told Ted
    “Biggering” is what actually happened

  • @yohan6942
    @yohan6942 ปีที่แล้ว +257

    "who cares if some things are dying?"
    I fucking love this part

    • @prorussiandogestarplatinum578
      @prorussiandogestarplatinum578 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      crying*

    • @yohan6942
      @yohan6942 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      ​@@prorussiandogestarplatinum578nope it's "who cares if some things are dying I don't wanna hear you crying". I doubt they would use crying two times and also it's pretty hard d at the beginning

    • @Upgradedcamera767
      @Upgradedcamera767 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      way better than "who cares if a few trees are dying?"

    • @yohan6942
      @yohan6942 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@Upgradedcamera767 exactly! A lot more powerful

    • @haziqhakim5995
      @haziqhakim5995 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      In the original the trees probably weren't the only one dying humans were also dying

  • @Benjamin-vl2oh
    @Benjamin-vl2oh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7583

    People, just remember: This song is only a Demo. Imagine what we could have gotten.

    • @nicholasmahoney7820
      @nicholasmahoney7820 2 ปีที่แล้ว +207

      Oh.....

    • @gabrote42
      @gabrote42 2 ปีที่แล้ว +135

      Wow....

    • @MrsBunny-hg4yg
      @MrsBunny-hg4yg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +554

      What we “got” was a terrible pop song for children. They basically aren’t even the same song anymore.

    • @clouds-rb9xt
      @clouds-rb9xt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +304

      @@MrsBunny-hg4yg Well it's two different songs so yeah, I don't think anyone's arguing they aren't

    • @salmonish891
      @salmonish891 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      I don’t think you can get much better than this

  • @Cudge1
    @Cudge1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4732

    The Lorax needs a faithful, dark, and ambiguous rock opera adaptation with a segmented version of HBCIB, more realistic and gradual character development, and Biggering as the finale.

    • @geminfly
      @geminfly 7 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Agreed.

    • @pastel-axle3197
      @pastel-axle3197 7 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      Yes, yes and yes. I would most definitely watch that.

    • @geminfly
      @geminfly 7 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      TESTMACORONI yeah same, I wanna get an animation program and make an hour long animation of how I wanted this movie to play out which won't happen until a couple of years because I need to go to an art college first.

    • @MrStarman926
      @MrStarman926 7 ปีที่แล้ว +124

      TotallyAMetrocop this should NOT be the finale. It should be the end of act 1. The finale would be much better left on the ambiguous note of the original Seuss movie

    • @MrStarman926
      @MrStarman926 7 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Mercular yeah I think the idea of two plots is kind of interesting and they should make Teds motivation more than just impressing a girl

  • @mjhtv5397
    @mjhtv5397 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +323

    this hits so much harder after seeing the greedy and borderline EVIL behavior studio CEOs and executives have put on display recently. their refusal to pay actors and writers right on top of plotting to use AI to replace them is super depressing.
    they even plan on dragging the strike until the SAG/WGA members start losing their apartments and houses. this whole situation is the embodiment of "who cares if some things are dying? I don't wanna hear your crying"

    • @rikiishitoru8885
      @rikiishitoru8885 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's a democracy, Hollywood - the execs and the union members and even the struggling workers - brought this upon themselves with their own spending and voting patterns. The writers easily clear $100k for uncredited work and still can't afford to live?
      They're all animals and they'll eat each other before admitting they've been living the wrong way

    • @The_True_Mx_Pink
      @The_True_Mx_Pink 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Capitalism! Yay...

    • @rikiishitoru8885
      @rikiishitoru8885 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Californians brought this upon themselves with their terrible voting patterns
      $150k is poverty wages in LA because of them

    • @thesteelsquid863
      @thesteelsquid863 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@The_True_Mx_Pinkunfortunately, it's probably not going anywhere, either..

    • @fatcat5817
      @fatcat5817 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The fact the gov was supposed to keep them in check but instead they give the 2A to illegals.🤭

  • @huntercool2232
    @huntercool2232 ปีที่แล้ว +112

    “WHO CARES IF SOME THINGS ARE DYINGGGGGGGG!!!! I DON’T WANNA HEAR YOUR CRYINGGGGGGGG!!!!”
    *Bro that honestly hits way to close to home…*

    • @Bandicoot_Productions69
      @Bandicoot_Productions69 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      a detail that I always notice, onceler seems to simply go crazy in these last parts from "I Must Keep Biggering", honestly this makes the character much scarier than he actually would be

    • @Bandicoot_Productions69
      @Bandicoot_Productions69 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Biggering was a song that could show the onceler's change in behavior, going from greedy to sadistic madman.
      (lmao This sounds like a creepypasta haha)

  • @dividedtime8529
    @dividedtime8529 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3260

    I love the scene in the elevator, it shows his descent into the dark side and when Lorax said "Pride" you see the bottom of the elevator descending showing his "Pride" pulling him down since he doesn't want to admit to De Lorax's words. His "Pride" is making him refuse to admit that his "Pride" is pulling him down. Beautiful.
    Edit: Spelling

    • @WhySoAnimated
      @WhySoAnimated  3 ปีที่แล้ว +429

      Thanks so much! That seq was my favorite bit to do.

    • @soulangela7154
      @soulangela7154 3 ปีที่แล้ว +99

      It's such a gorgeous scene, I absolutely loved that too. The colour change, and as well as the lines being drawn harder around the eyes. Like he looks more and more annoyed as well. Like, actually starting to get fed up with what Lorax is telling him, as well as it being on the cue of him being called an idiot. I would absolutely have loved if this storyboard was used in movie, it's sooooo good. Also the mirror part!

    • @thelastprotectorofoverain1035
      @thelastprotectorofoverain1035 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@WhySoAnimated That was really interesting and I hope to see the final product soon

    • @redpanda6497
      @redpanda6497 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@WhySoAnimated This storyboard is absolutely amazing.

    • @binoobear9607
      @binoobear9607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@WhySoAnimated I would love to see the updated one!

  • @FlynnBTerrens
    @FlynnBTerrens 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4401

    Biggering is what actually happened
    How bad can i be is just the way the Onceler told the story to that little kid

    • @babyghast4379
      @babyghast4379 ปีที่แล้ว +666

      Y’know what, this is an answer I’d be happy with. Imagine if there was a bonus short or maybe even another film that was about how the Onceler lied to the kid as it shows what really happened with this song being the main moment in the film/short.

    • @theultimatememelord5494
      @theultimatememelord5494 ปีที่แล้ว +303

      This is now my headcanon.

    • @PrincessGalaxia9
      @PrincessGalaxia9 ปีที่แล้ว +204

      That is hilarious and super realistic at the same time.

    • @PrincessGalaxia9
      @PrincessGalaxia9 ปีที่แล้ว +80

      @@babyghast4379 DUDE omg yes that'd be perfect

    • @videoms1271
      @videoms1271 ปีที่แล้ว +212

      That's actually pretty smart. He wouldn't try to portray himself as a soulless monster, rather as a businessman

  • @thegodlygoober
    @thegodlygoober 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    Instead of a G-Rated happy story about the onceler getting peer pressure from his parents and accidentally chopping down all the trees, we could have had a PG-Rated rock drama about the onceler actually doing his crimes on his own and not feeling any remorse for anything he destroys. Illumination should create a darker version of this movie with Biggering in it, i feel.

    • @spidermenramirez8232
      @spidermenramirez8232 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      But if the movie is PG, they had to make it PG 13.

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@spidermenramirez8232 If the movie had been pg-13 it would be the first Dr. Seuss adaptation to have that rating

    • @Hecuba445
      @Hecuba445 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Honestly, Biggering actually makes it PG than PG-13 because it justifies bringing that parents. Kids won’t be able to understand the song’s initially but they will talk to their parents and it is up to them whether or not they should explain it.

  • @louiedelk592
    @louiedelk592 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +243

    Everyone talks about the Onceler’s solo at the end but my favorite part is Lorax’s monologue. It’s so brutal and honest.

  • @billyweed835
    @billyweed835 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2605

    Meanwhile, in a better universe then our own...

    • @a-s-greig
      @a-s-greig 3 ปีที่แล้ว +83

      🌸🌸 **UNLESS** 🌸🌸

    • @holyhot-chocolate
      @holyhot-chocolate 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      I need to build a machine to get there

    • @floweyfangirl69420
      @floweyfangirl69420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      an AU where Illumination is the best animation studio and Disney is the worss

    • @boipoi7836
      @boipoi7836 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@floweyfangirl69420 Disney isnt the best either, theyre just the biggest one out there and they make incrdibly shitty decisions most of the time, but they still manage to create some true gems here and there.

    • @floweyfangirl69420
      @floweyfangirl69420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@boipoi7836 ik, but they created some gems
      on the other hand, we have Illumination with only… despicable me being their good movie

  • @sev1011
    @sev1011 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4828

    Although this song wasn't in the movie, let's all be grateful that we were able to hear it. We might of never knew that a song was created to truely represent the Lorax

    • @brandonb4742
      @brandonb4742 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Amen brother

    • @Treeeee2008
      @Treeeee2008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +172

      This could've been one of those lost media cases where the original draft for the movie was scrapped and none of it would be able to find online, luckily they added this and all of the other deleted songs to the official soundtrack.

    • @ace_pro_gamer1
      @ace_pro_gamer1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +81

      The only reason its in the soundtrack is because the band the preformed it had clauses for it so it had to be in the movie and cd or just the soundtrack

    • @totlicker
      @totlicker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      kind of ruins the effect tho

    • @captainkraken3550
      @captainkraken3550 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hell yeah.

  • @Jaydog-sc8zv
    @Jaydog-sc8zv 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    I like the line “I need a bigger staff”. He’s most likely referring to a staff for his company. I prefer thinking it as he wants a bigger scepter to go with his bigger chair and hat, like a king on his throne.

  • @chinchy5545
    @chinchy5545 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

    This song gives "Hellfire" a run for it's money. It sucks so much that we were robbed of it, especially since Lorax SHOULD be an unapologetically dark story.

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      What do you mean by hellfire?

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Well actually, originally the movie was going to be darker and closer to the original book, this song is not the only one removed, there are more songs that are on the soundtrack that if you listen to them you will realize what the plot was originally going to be like.

    • @chinchy5545
      @chinchy5545 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@estrella-om7tu "Hellfire" is the villain song of Disney's "Hunchback of Notre Dame". It's widely considered to be one of the best villain songs ever, as well as one of the darkest.

    • @chinchy5545
      @chinchy5545 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@estrella-om7tu Thanks! I'll have to give the rest of the soundtrack a listen

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@chinchy5545 I think there are similarities in biggering and hellfire

  • @TGOM22
    @TGOM22 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2044

    "OH NO! This song is too close to what we are actually like! We need to cut it from the movie!!!"

  • @moosecannibal8224
    @moosecannibal8224 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10881

    The darkest and best part imo is when he's rationalising it to himself by talking about how a company's an animal, and it's needing fed to survive and that it's (in a sense) part of nature itself. Really adds a lot of personality that is missing from the song that's actually featured in the movie. (I like it, just damn this would have been great fully animated).

    • @drawnwithlove3499
      @drawnwithlove3499 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Isn't that how abuse works

    • @asdfghjk1576
      @asdfghjk1576 3 ปีที่แล้ว +171

      There was a similar type of lyric in “how bad can I be”, but it’s def better in this song since it sounds more genuine and emotional

    • @alexpyndus4702
      @alexpyndus4702 3 ปีที่แล้ว +180

      My favorite part is when he's on the balcony near the switch with the Lorax and he's deciding to switch it or not, then when he looks at the crowd he choses to switch it. It really shows how much he was dedicated to the company and how greedy he was.

    • @notto5937
      @notto5937 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      The animal that eats has got to scratch and bite and punch,
      And the animal that doesn't is someone else's lunch.

    • @moosecannibal8224
      @moosecannibal8224 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@aliensexist1661 I'm not denying that it is also that, simply that it also implies what I was saying through subtle implications.

  • @RealSpaceCore
    @RealSpaceCore ปีที่แล้ว +542

    i really want for someone to turn this masterpiece into a 3D smoothly animated clip

    • @yourwifi-dn7le
      @yourwifi-dn7le ปีที่แล้ว +36

      my life is not complete until I find it

    • @PureMusizuEntertainment
      @PureMusizuEntertainment ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@yourwifi-dn7le same

    • @PureMusizuEntertainment
      @PureMusizuEntertainment ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Imma find a animator

    • @LizardGames_25
      @LizardGames_25 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      We're gonna need a miracle, we'll have to just pray that someone comes to make a 3D animation of this that looks like something that could have been in the movie

    • @PureMusizuEntertainment
      @PureMusizuEntertainment 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@LizardGames_25 fr

  • @justaguy6216
    @justaguy6216 ปีที่แล้ว +358

    This excatly what should have been in the film. He knows his, past, he knows all the people he's hurt, but his pride wont stop him from biggering. Lorax also played a more active role in this storyboard than being pushed around in "how bad can I be". Wonderful work.

    • @alchemistofsteel8099
      @alchemistofsteel8099 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I think both songs should have been in the movie. It should have started with "How bad can I possibly be" and the transitioned into "Biggering"

    • @justaguy6216
      @justaguy6216 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@alchemistofsteel8099 Honestly after I heard this, how bad can I be is kinda mid.

  • @sterling7
    @sterling7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17665

    What's heart-wrenching is that this song- not "How Bad Can I Be"- comes with the realization that the Lorax isn't just trying to save the trees. He's trying to save the Once-Ler.

    • @absolite6
      @absolite6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1942

      That's deep.....and heartbreaking.

    • @hunnybunny3211
      @hunnybunny3211 3 ปีที่แล้ว +695

      You are accurate sir

    • @livinglegend9709
      @livinglegend9709 3 ปีที่แล้ว +757

      That my friend is another reason I like this song

    • @BadNyaruko
      @BadNyaruko 3 ปีที่แล้ว +649

      Lorax is the conscience of Once-Ler.

    • @spookyho5994
      @spookyho5994 3 ปีที่แล้ว +230

      bruh, don’t make me cry rn-

  • @bored_potato
    @bored_potato 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13283

    "Who cares if some *things* are dying?" is a whole lot scarier--and hits more close to reality, than just "Who cares if a few trees are dying?"

    • @sarcasticsuperjerk18
      @sarcasticsuperjerk18 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1331

      Right? That line implies that he’s legit killed some of the creatures or even workers either on accident or on willful ignorance, and the sad part is that’s basically how a majority of companies are. If I recall there’s a story of a pretty big mining company (can’t remember the name) completely covering up MANY fatal accidents in the workplace and it never came out till years later, and when it did they made a half-assed clearly corporate apology without giving the families compensation at all.

    • @suraivase7285
      @suraivase7285 2 ปีที่แล้ว +399

      @@sarcasticsuperjerk18 Honestly, companies that are discovered to have done this kind of crap should be forced to dissolve and the heads of the company should be arrested, and not be given the option to pay using money, or if the option is available, it should be high enough to put them in finantial ruin.

    • @sebastiantucto5647
      @sebastiantucto5647 2 ปีที่แล้ว +170

      Not only that but the way he sings it makes clearer his evilness

    • @davifernandopereiraborges5168
      @davifernandopereiraborges5168 2 ปีที่แล้ว +128

      @@sarcasticsuperjerk18 i never thinked he may also be refering to workers,but surely he is killing lots and lots of animal because of how they not got food and surely got intoxicated by polution,plants are also living beings and they are all dying.

    • @whadayadoin3300
      @whadayadoin3300 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@suraivase7285 you say as you're typing on one of those computers those companies manufacture

  • @theflatpancake1713
    @theflatpancake1713 ปีที่แล้ว +864

    Maturing is realizing that "biggering" is better than "how bad can i be."

    • @tangerinecowboy
      @tangerinecowboy ปีที่แล้ว +113

      I think they're both good to be honest.
      How Bad Can I Be, is pretty iconic, sounds decent, and gets the point across to a specific degree
      Biggering, is spectacular, but I'd say isn't as known about as How Bad Can I Be ( to the average viewer ) sounds extraordinary, and gets the point across really well.
      How Bad Can I Be, is good in a more lighter tone, but Biggering is good when trying to convey a true lesson, which in a way they both do, but Biggering gets the point across.

    • @astrobeth
      @astrobeth ปีที่แล้ว +96

      ​@@tangerinecowboy I think both of them should of been in the movie, put how bad can I be first as a lighter version that shows he doesn't realise what he's doing and then later on in the movie use biggering as a darker reprise to show the damage

    • @BurritoVillage
      @BurritoVillage ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@astrobeth They would probably have to make mild changes to how bad can i be because he does give in to pride and greed in the song, and we want that in Biggering

    • @TrifectShow
      @TrifectShow 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@@astrobethYeah, best of both worlds

    • @monke7919
      @monke7919 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      ​@tangerinecowboy biggering prioritizes telling the orginal message of the book making the ounceler the villain how bad can I be is making him a oblivious villain and prioritizes getting stuck in your head over actually sending a message biggering he says "who cares if a few things are dying" in how bad can I be he says "who cares if a few trees are dying" a notebale difference in meaning

  • @narsilthefreak6171
    @narsilthefreak6171 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    2:08
    *That is a nasty little worm... And I like to call it PRIDE*
    This movie could've left a gigantic mark if they'd chosen to take this route. The Lorax's bit about unrestrained greed and personal pride is so real it burns.

  • @Andrea-zo4qy
    @Andrea-zo4qy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9764

    I like how he doesn’t just say he “wants” a bigger office or he “wants” a bigger chair, he NEEDS it. It really shows just how greedy he’s gotten that he can’t distinguish between a want and a need.

    • @SleepyMelodies24
      @SleepyMelodies24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @mrbeastt ok? XD

    • @ssgpizzalover515
      @ssgpizzalover515 2 ปีที่แล้ว +149

      same its a good touch

    • @zzodysseuszz
      @zzodysseuszz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      No shit. The song was not being subtle at all with that message. Not even remotely
      Edit: you guys are braindead. You actually thought you were making valid responses to me by claiming you weren’t trying discover a hidden message. If you weren’t trying to discover a hidden message than your comments were literally the floor is made of flood joke. You LITERALLY repeated the entire message of the song. The song is literally about the onceler becoming greedier and greedier until he becomes consumed by his greed completely. That was the entire point of the song, you just told me that you liked what the song was literally fundamentally singing about and then tried to act like it was outrageous of me to say it was obvious. Grow up you’re embarrassing yourself. You were literally belittling and mocking me for saying the obvious was obvious as if it’s an outrageous thought. Holy shit. You have all reached peak idiocy

    • @BurningBridgeStudios
      @BurningBridgeStudios 2 ปีที่แล้ว +148

      @@zzodysseuszz I wonder what you morons are actually thinking when you say stuff like this. Like.. I don't get it? Did you think he was purposely trying to find some secret message? I feel like you people want to look smarter but it always makes you look like an idiot that has a low reading comprehension.

    • @venusianblivet9518
      @venusianblivet9518 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      To be fair the distinction is arbitrary

  • @Titleknown
    @Titleknown 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9324

    Anyone else have a hunch that this film was meant to be waaaaaaay darker until it got watered down to what we have now by the execs? This certainly gives credence to that hypothesis...

    • @carmena.gonzalezrios8372
      @carmena.gonzalezrios8372 4 ปีที่แล้ว +449

      J. Han at least Zootopia conserved it’s original message and turned out to be good unlike the Lorax

    • @PikaChu-fr4fq
      @PikaChu-fr4fq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      What if we got a Tim Burten remake :O

    • @VeloxFox
      @VeloxFox 3 ปีที่แล้ว +146

      I actually did have a hunch when I watched the film on its screening. I knew there was a darker story behind there (I was not a dumb kid)

    • @sad-4ss
      @sad-4ss 3 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      @ouh ́ would have* i also agree... so so so much. I wonder why the film was cut so that it doesn't paint corporations in such a dark color hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    • @wildfire9280
      @wildfire9280 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @Big Deo if it does happen though, I'd love to see Illumination in particular face some comeuppance

  • @verycoolperson46
    @verycoolperson46 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +88

    Imagine putting your heart and soul into making one of the best songs in film history, only for it to be cut because it hurt some business man’s feewings

  • @Aresie271
    @Aresie271 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +143

    To think how good this movie actually would’ve been if this song would’ve made the cut.
    Not only is it a better song, but it’s more organic to the story and it would’ve allowed a better opportunity to write a character growth arc for the Onceler. The movie would’ve made a lot more sense, and it would’ve been more faithful to the original onceler. He would’ve actually learned that he should actually give a shit about the environment, instead of realizing he made an oopsie and didn’t replant the trees. I’m one of the few people who actually unironcally like the Lorax movie (and I ironically enjoy How Bad Can I Be) but this movie would’ve been so much better with Biggering and would’ve allowed for more potential for the movie to be more respected.

    • @huntmoped
      @huntmoped 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If biggering hadn't been cut we would have never gotten HBCIB

    • @TheGalaxyWings
      @TheGalaxyWings 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It's a symptom of the movie's failure, not a cause

    • @Diabolical420
      @Diabolical420 หลายเดือนก่อน

      HBCIB is a bop tho

  • @Protato_Gamer
    @Protato_Gamer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3392

    Reasons why this song wasn’t used:
    1: if they used it kids may feel slightly weird and they might even have to think and that wouldn’t sell as many toys.
    That’s it. Thanks illuminations

    • @Treeeee2008
      @Treeeee2008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +250

      That's all companies care about when making children's movies these days, selling toys, not telling a story or expanding a world, only promoting products for gullible children to pester their parents to buy, I understand that companies have to make money to keep making movies but they could at least do it in a less douchey way.

    • @gabrielegenota1480
      @gabrielegenota1480 2 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      @@Treeeee2008 Well yeah- that's kinda what the biggering song criticizes kinda-
      Companies do things for profit. That's the main incentive- making shitty movies that sell is profitable.

    • @unicornman147
      @unicornman147 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      the other reason: it hurt corporate feelings

    • @RicoLightning
      @RicoLightning 2 ปีที่แล้ว +93

      Ironic that the song about greedy corporations was cut out of the movie by a greedy corporation

    • @inv3rted_moment884
      @inv3rted_moment884 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      The reason biggering was cut is because Illumination wanted to keep biggering…

  • @tokenofdreams
    @tokenofdreams 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3314

    “if the customers are buyin’ and the money multiplyin’... who cares if some things are dyin’?”
    DUDE that line is so good why didn’t it get into the actual movie??
    oh wait, because illumination was too scared to face the reality of corporate greed and consumerism in a kids movie because they were afraid it’d be “too dark”

    • @christopherc5456
      @christopherc5456 3 ปีที่แล้ว +213

      Ilumination: BUtt iTS noT kID FRIendLY

    • @ericjohnson6120
      @ericjohnson6120 3 ปีที่แล้ว +260

      plausible deniability. "some things are dyin'" got censored to "a few trees are dyin"?

    • @peepeepoopoomyguy7457
      @peepeepoopoomyguy7457 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@christopherc5456 I agree with illumination studios.i was scared in a bad way.

    • @sharkpopsharkie
      @sharkpopsharkie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +126

      That line is actually in the song weirdly enough but its washed out and forgotten because of the poppy and oblivious tone its hard to understand the songs message there are some things that stayed but they became washed out and over time lost their meaning and just became another line

    • @stupidenby
      @stupidenby 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@peepeepoopoomyguy7457 that’s the point

  • @Oskir_Schlickarsson
    @Oskir_Schlickarsson 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    The fact that this would’ve not only been the best scene in illumination history, but the greatest villain song in animation history but they just said ”nah” is so insane. Hellfire really has nothing on this

  • @animan608
    @animan608 ปีที่แล้ว +275

    At first I didn't realize
    I needed all this stuff
    I had a little cottage
    And that cottage was enough
    A place where I could sit and knit
    A place where I could sell my Thneeds
    But now I've had a little time
    To re-assess my needs
    And I need a bigger office
    I need a bigger chair
    A bigger desk, a bigger staff
    A bigger hat to wear
    Because I'm biggering
    I'm figuring I'm biggering
    And biggering is triggering
    More biggering
    Hey, listen up, meathead
    I'm going to say this once, and I'm not gonna repeat it
    Greed ya see, it's like a little pet, alright?
    And the more and more and more that you go and feed it
    The more hungry it'll get
    But you know, you really can't blame greed
    No, that's stupid
    You see, it's gotta worm inside
    Oh yeah, that's right
    It's one that always needs to feed
    And it is never satisfied
    You get it?
    But the more you try to find it
    The more it likes to hide
    Now listen that is nasty little worm
    And I like to call it pride
    See, now that's why you're biggering
    Listen here, idiot
    I'm figuring on biggering
    But that biggering's just triggering more biggering
    Got that? Alright
    There is a principle of nature
    That most every creature knows
    It's called survival of the fittest
    And this is how it goes
    The animal that wins has got to
    Claw and kick and punch
    The animal that doesn't
    Winds up someone else's lunch
    A company's an animal
    That's trying to survive (survive)
    It's struggling, and fighting
    Just to keep itself alive
    I must keep biggering
    I'm figuring I'm biggering
    Though biggering is triggering more biggering
    I won't stop
    Biggering
    I'm figuring I'm biggering
    And biggering is triggering more biggering
    And the customers are buying
    And the money multiplying
    And the pr people lying
    And the lawyers are denying
    Who cares if some things are dying?
    I don't wanna hear your crying
    This is all so gratifying

  • @theslickimpala5308
    @theslickimpala5308 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2852

    I like how you portrayed the Lorax as more of the Oncler’s morality. When the Lorax was talking to him about greed, we could see the Lorax shadow but not him actually. And the Lorax rejecting the Oncler at the end symbolizes his morality being all lost.

    • @dominicesquivel3901
      @dominicesquivel3901 3 ปีที่แล้ว +129

      That’s how the Lorax should have been in the whole film.

    • @anon4435
      @anon4435 3 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      And that he looks absolutely terrifying yelling “pride”. The Lorax, or rather the Onceler’s morality, should’ve been terrifying. A worthy contender, battling the Once-ler’s greed.

    • @nalsium2828
      @nalsium2828 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Alternatively, it could be seen as him losing all respect for himself

    • @amnxji4723
      @amnxji4723 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@anon4435 real he looked pretty scary yelling pride

    • @WormTexture
      @WormTexture หลายเดือนก่อน

      i saw "lorax shadow" and read ldshaowlady.

  • @Adrian-Abu
    @Adrian-Abu 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2799

    Holy shit, that elevator scene was absolutely perfect.

    • @bananabird1844
      @bananabird1844 3 ปีที่แล้ว +127

      it was, 4 year old comment.

    • @ackewtful.
      @ackewtful. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@bananabird1844 i see many people are coming back to this

    • @happykaeya
      @happykaeya 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ackewtful. same

    • @mega6662
      @mega6662 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Minister ZazBog 4 years old comment*

    • @bananabird1844
      @bananabird1844 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mega 666 new thanks for reminding me.

  • @sky-trevishere9638
    @sky-trevishere9638 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    I like how this also shows the creation of thneedville, and actually shows the onceler as an actual villain and his decent into this greed and cruelty instead of being mamas boy who listened to their fam and “how bad can I be”?

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      It also shows that the onceler is the founder of the city of thneedville

  • @thefbiman2116
    @thefbiman2116 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Not only does it sound better as a composition, but the singer sounds so much more into his performance. He can feel himself being consumed by his power as the song goes on, and that's nothing short of amazing

  • @bazookaburnzgrease9576
    @bazookaburnzgrease9576 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4436

    Wow this is just so….human…in a way that most don't like to ponder.

    • @minespatch
      @minespatch 10 ปีที่แล้ว +155

      Unfortunately the execs rather stick to "hipster" than sage advice for quality.

    • @bazookaburnzgrease9576
      @bazookaburnzgrease9576 10 ปีที่แล้ว +230

      It's sad that when I was a kid, we had songs like "Hellfire" and "In the dark of the night" in our movies but this is somehow too dark now.

    • @GalaxiaStars
      @GalaxiaStars 6 ปีที่แล้ว +133

      +BazookaBurnz Grease
      It is ! It doesn't try to make any excuses for the Onceler. The song full on addresses the fact that he made a choice to keep indulging in this unhealthy form of consumerism. That it was a result of him just refusing to self reflect on his actions that led to the Truffula forest being nearly wiped out. And I love that.

    • @bazookaburnzgrease9576
      @bazookaburnzgrease9576 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @raffle baffle This comment is six years old damn bro.

    • @EtamirTheDemiDeer
      @EtamirTheDemiDeer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      God forbid we hold up a mirror to the audience and the executives

  • @TheJackish90
    @TheJackish90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2073

    You know, "How Bad Can I Be?" is essentially the Kidz Bop version of "Biggering," someone said once.
    I don't remember where I heard that though, but it's not wrong.

    • @hunnybunny3211
      @hunnybunny3211 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yo funny

    • @Errlich
      @Errlich 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I think it was on the music video of biggering (auto gen by youtube)

    • @Errlich
      @Errlich 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Sadly TH-cam decided to turn off comments on auto generated videos (for some reason) but I think I know the exact words.
      "How Bad Can I Be is the Kidz Bop version of this song"
      You got the comment almost right.

    • @TheJackish90
      @TheJackish90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Errlich Yeah, that's where it was! We shouldn't let that message die, my friend.

    • @kittykittybangbang9367
      @kittykittybangbang9367 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@Errlich Why did TH-cam decide to do that? It was a great way to discussed music, and sometimes had the highest quality of the songs uploaded.

  • @kattysvariety
    @kattysvariety 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    The lyrics to this song is terrifying. It shows the truth self of the Onceler. He doesn't care about the animals, nor the trees, nor the Lorax, he only cares about the profits he makes from his Thneeds. THAT is scary, and that is a real thing happening in companies.

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      It's no surprise because it was eliminated

    • @Hecuba445
      @Hecuba445 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      That is both a perfect summary of the conflict and, unfortunately, how companies really are.

  • @upcomingperson4098
    @upcomingperson4098 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +79

    Something I noticed in the lyrics while listening to this song again:
    In the last part (where the chorus takes place), the Once-ler says this:
    "Though biggering is triggering more biggering!"
    But then, in the next part, he states:
    "And biggering is triggering more biggering!"
    "Though" is replaced with "and," like Once-ler's fully accepting what he's doing. This could imply that Once-ler was having second thoughts. Or maybe I'm looking too deep into things.

    • @dand1253
      @dand1253 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      If you notice, he also uses "and" at the very start of the song. That definitely makes it seem like the "though" represents him acknowledging that what he's doing is wrong, or at least has downsides - because he _did_ hear the Lorax's warning, after all.
      He just chose to _ignore_ it.
      In the beginning, he was just being reckless, not fully understanding the implications of it all.
      At the end, he's _willfully blind_ to the problems he's creating.

    • @upcomingperson4098
      @upcomingperson4098 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@dand1253 Yeah, he does know what he's doing is wrong. I think he's just lying to himself.

    • @mimsycookiiess
      @mimsycookiiess หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@dand1253I love this interpretation!

  • @twiggy3638
    @twiggy3638 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3035

    I will never forgive them for ruining the animal that doesn’t winds up someone else’s lunch. It’s so powerful here but there it was just annoying and came across as childish. This is a masterpiece and illumination is symptomatic of the very problem the movie was SUPPOSED to talk about.

    • @xloisx4603
      @xloisx4603 3 ปีที่แล้ว +244

      They made ‘How Bad Can I Be’ just a goofy song so now it’s a meme. If they kept Biggering, it wouldn’t really be a meme song, it would be more of a song that would make people want to re-watch the film.

    • @audreyii6750
      @audreyii6750 3 ปีที่แล้ว +170

      Even better in "Biggering" the the metaphor is/works as a call back to the conservative push to make corporations "people" under the law.
      A corporation isn't a person/animal. It's not alive. It won't starve unlike real animals/people. But businessmen still push that lie. At his worst, _this_ Onceler is indistinguishable from real businessmen who do/say anything to keep making more & more money, including destroy the environment & cause irreparable harm to people & animals.
      In "How Bad Can I Be" at his worst the Onceler is naïve & unaware of how much damage he's _really_ doing, something not true to life when it comes to billion dollar corporations. They know exactly what they're doing.
      Every time I come back to "Biggering" I get mad all over again!

    • @jessicacreed7773
      @jessicacreed7773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      Love how they kept the exact lines about the survival of the fittest in how bad can I be *except* for the part about corporations lmao that's not telling is it

    • @Cobalt985
      @Cobalt985 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      @@audreyii6750 I'm mad for both that reason and also the fact this song straight fuckin' SLAPS and I can't believe I didn't get to hear this in the theater

    • @technotrapper
      @technotrapper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Its why no one likes their suess movies

  • @CantRead1
    @CantRead1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6427

    The darker cut would have been a masterpiece of a movie

    • @roryforrester735
      @roryforrester735 2 ปีที่แล้ว +348

      Maybe not a masterpiece but definitely the greatest book to movie transition and one hell of a film

    • @KoolAids-vj1ll
      @KoolAids-vj1ll 2 ปีที่แล้ว +126

      @@roryforrester735 it's one song in a bad movie. It would've been a decent adaptation. Songs decent

    • @kittykittybangbang9367
      @kittykittybangbang9367 2 ปีที่แล้ว +241

      I recommend that you look up the original version of thneedville. Based on that song alone, I think in the original version of The Lorax they were also going to take a jab at consumerism and apparently in the original version Ted wanted to get a tree not to impress some girl but so he could be the 1st kid in the neighborhood to get one.

    • @redpanda6497
      @redpanda6497 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      @@roryforrester735 But imagine what would happen if the movie was as good as the song. I doesn't have to look like the finished movie they released.

    • @mickaokiji
      @mickaokiji 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Lorax Snyder cut

  • @I_Am_Transcendentem
    @I_Am_Transcendentem 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +74

    3:56 is amazing. And 3:58 is too.
    The once-ler, overwhelmed for a moment by guilt, reaches out to the Lorax, as a sort of peace offer.
    It is far too late.

    • @SonGok11533
      @SonGok11533 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Yeah then he sees how ppl love him by the shit he doing

    • @narsilthefreak6171
      @narsilthefreak6171 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      The Lorax might have been rightfully angry at him for what he did, but if he had accepted his offer it might have stopped the deforestation.
      Just like in the old animated movie, it's not just the Once-ler that is to blame.

  • @huntercool2232
    @huntercool2232 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

    I’m glad people haven’t forgotten about this cut song from the Lorax after all this time.
    *It really does go hard like no joke.*

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      in this song we see what the lorax could be

  • @phrinus
    @phrinus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2133

    I mean, I see the irony. The Once-ler cuts the trees. They cut the songs. Biggering it is.

    • @absolite6
      @absolite6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      Chop chop......

    • @odinudin4313
      @odinudin4313 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Wow..

    • @sasukes.6370
      @sasukes.6370 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      at the end of the day, it is a corporation that makes this movie and has to promote it. they can't wound their ego too much so they just decide to cut the song for that reason and then make some lame excuse about it being too "dark" (despite knowing most kids wouldn't actually understand or pay attention)

    • @I_am_somebody_1234
      @I_am_somebody_1234 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Big corp needed some biggering of its own

    • @pashenka1546
      @pashenka1546 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@sasukes.6370 Not to mention, most of Dr. Seuss’ books had really dark meanings and messages behind it.

  • @AMagicalTortoise
    @AMagicalTortoise 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3918

    Imagine hearing this song in a full theater, loud, surrounded by people. You’d probably have goosebumps.
    *Now think about the fact that you’ll never have that.*
    *Thanks Illumination.*

    • @alyssabullock6421
      @alyssabullock6421 3 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      For real bruh

    • @charadreemerr4195
      @charadreemerr4195 3 ปีที่แล้ว +201

      All because they were probably afraid of the fact that this song was calling out their own methods. We have dealt with MUCH worse... Steven Universe covering a borderline abusive relationship between Jasper and Lapis is just one example of something in a *CARTOON SHOW* diving into a serious topic!

    • @HELLO-ux3hb
      @HELLO-ux3hb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I Could Just Dream that was the Reality we lived in

    • @napasensei133
      @napasensei133 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I legit watched the movie on a school trip years ago and I wish they kept the song it would’ve been better that way

    • @mello-0341
      @mello-0341 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      this single comment made me just realize how much potential the lorax couldve had, its sad

  • @WillScarlet16
    @WillScarlet16 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    The writers of these songs appreciated and respected Seuss' language WAY more than the movie's scriptwriters.

  • @AlgodaoDoceh.
    @AlgodaoDoceh. 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    It's funny how 5 minutes of scene, just a single song, could make the film 10000x more impactful and in line with the Lorax creation proposal.

  • @christianboustani8284
    @christianboustani8284 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15796

    "But you can't blame Greed. No, that's stupid."
    I actually can't believe how good this is

    • @mr.mirage3986
      @mr.mirage3986 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Metal is dumb. All metal songs suck and I am not the only person to say that and I actually speak about people who don't like this song not saying that everybody hates it like You say that just beacause You like it, everybody does You are selfish.

    • @mayaminuminati
      @mayaminuminati 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1691

      @@mr.mirage3986 Hol up I'm tryna find who asked

    • @christianboustani8284
      @christianboustani8284 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1421

      @@mr.mirage3986 All I said is the song was good and now I'm selfish?
      Alright, dude. It must be wild to live in whatever fantasy world you're in.

    • @luthient2605
      @luthient2605 3 ปีที่แล้ว +464

      @@mr.mirage3986 ???????

    • @dickydopy4638
      @dickydopy4638 3 ปีที่แล้ว +519

      @@mr.mirage3986 what the hell are you on about?

  • @girlnamedskully
    @girlnamedskully 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1561

    How Bad can I be: Who are you?
    Biggering: I'm you but stronger.

    • @clarissaokeSkittlecat
      @clarissaokeSkittlecat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      "Im you but way rocking"

    • @nguyenquang7785
      @nguyenquang7785 3 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      “im you but bigger”

    • @sumi2570
      @sumi2570 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Im you but progressive rock

    • @marx1095
      @marx1095 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      No not just stronger BIGGER

    • @samuellinn
      @samuellinn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      more like "I'm you but I'm BIGGERING"

  • @aaronman4772
    @aaronman4772 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    I believe that we should bring this back, in honor of Universal, who distributed Lorax, who made the brilliant decision to cut trees that were providing shade to striking workers around the studios.
    Because the irony is just... so palpable. After all, why does Universal care if some things are dying, they just want to keep Biggering.

  • @Eric64
    @Eric64 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    This is best deleted song I have ever heard. It rocks so hard and reminds me of Worthless from the Brave Little Toaster or something from Pink Floyd's The Wall. I can only imagine what a fully produced version would sound like.

  • @ArtsyStarleta
    @ArtsyStarleta 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2791

    Honestly the writers act as if they had to choose between this and HBCIB, but like, do they not understand what an amazing reprise to HBCIB this could have been?

    • @louche2388
      @louche2388 8 ปีที่แล้ว +248

      You make it sound as if they came out and discussed their reasons for changing things.
      They didn't.
      The director vaguely alluded to this song on the commentary, that's it.

    • @jodgee2374
      @jodgee2374 8 ปีที่แล้ว +157

      I listened to the commentary. It sounded like they wanted the movie to have a more "ironic" tone so it could be light-hearted and fun.

    • @louche2388
      @louche2388 8 ปีที่แล้ว +249

      Jodgee The Lorax was never lighthearted or fun, though. That's just inappropriate.

    • @jodgee2374
      @jodgee2374 8 ปีที่แล้ว +204

      No Face
      but we've GOT to have MONEY!!!!

    • @louche2388
      @louche2388 8 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Jodgee topical, I like it

  • @kryph1
    @kryph1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2920

    I'm scared that i can genuinely vibe to a song that was made for that Lorax movie

    • @darkink1915
      @darkink1915 3 ปีที่แล้ว +173

      That’s illumination ruining good things for ya

    • @user-ky1vr8cj5t
      @user-ky1vr8cj5t 3 ปีที่แล้ว +113

      @@darkink1915 illumination:.......well....money, money, minions....

    • @Fireball_Productions
      @Fireball_Productions 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Same

    • @whyrwehere
      @whyrwehere 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@user-ky1vr8cj5t illumination has three Ms movies,money,minions

    • @is_ley
      @is_ley 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Y'all didn't vibe to the Lorax songs before? SMH!

  • @MrBlueSkyof1607
    @MrBlueSkyof1607 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    Dr. Suess is feeling a little better in his grave now that there are people who appreciate this.

  • @Eireguy_
    @Eireguy_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    Biggering is such a masterpiece, accurately displayed how greedy and monsterous companies and big cooperations are, and is generally and amazing villian song

  • @Noelleanderson
    @Noelleanderson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5295

    The “Who cares if *some things* are dying?!” Would’ve hit so much harder to the audience. Especially since in the film we all got to know and love the adorable furry creatures the oncelor met.

    • @d3cay1ngaway33
      @d3cay1ngaway33 2 ปีที่แล้ว +190

      There is a similar line in how bad can I be ("who cares if a few trees are dying") but I feel like it's over emphasized unlike in biggering where the lyrics are more subtle

    • @thelegendarybloxycola4727
      @thelegendarybloxycola4727 2 ปีที่แล้ว +139

      @@d3cay1ngaway33 It also says "few" instead of "some".

    • @GreekTurkey
      @GreekTurkey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +163

      @@thelegendarybloxycola4727 and "trees" instead of "things." It creates plausible deniability and removes autonomy, where this song doesn't.

    • @lelacorbin5986
      @lelacorbin5986 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah

    • @m00nsickn3ssx6
      @m00nsickn3ssx6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Facts

  • @cinco5555
    @cinco5555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28825

    Hey everybody--Cinco Paul here, I wrote the lyrics to "Biggering" (John Powell wrote the music) and it means so much to me how many of you have embraced this song. We personally loved it, but as many of you have guessed the higher-ups thought it was too dark for the movie. The tales I could tell about making this movie! Anyway, I'm going to let John know about this--I'm sure he'll be thrilled. Thank you, Gloria, for this amazing storyboard, and thanks to all of you for your great comments about the song. I'm so glad it finally found its audience.

    • @GloriaDrewThis
      @GloriaDrewThis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3218

      That means SO much. Thank you Cinco!!

    • @Andrea-zo4qy
      @Andrea-zo4qy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1738

      If you don't mind sharing, what were some of those tales? How did you get involved? What was your favourite part about making it? Also Biggering is dope af.

    • @cinco5555
      @cinco5555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3271

      @@Andrea-zo4qy Audrey Geisel (Mrs. Seuss) was really happy w/ our writing on Horton Hears a Who, so together w/ Chris Meledandri we approached her about The Lorax, my favorite Seuss book. I specifically wanted it to be a musical as a way to expand the book, and creating the songs was definitely my favorite part. It was frustrating having "Biggering" rejected, as well as being forced to make Ted's motivation his crush on Audrey, make the story much more of a buddy picture than we'd wanted, etc., etc., but overall although I know it's a far from perfect movie I'm pretty happy with how it turned out. But much happier with Horton and Despicable Me!

    • @brightsky9749
      @brightsky9749 3 ปีที่แล้ว +864

      Words can't explain how wonderful and talented you guys are!!! Don't let anybody tell you guys otherwise.This song is so on point.Thank you so SO much for this.You guys are legendary!!

    • @Andrea-zo4qy
      @Andrea-zo4qy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +592

      @@cinco5555 That's so cool! I always wondered what went on behind the making of these kinds of movies, thanks for sharing :)

  • @Somethingguy
    @Somethingguy ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Most badass villian song that never happened

    • @thetrashking459
      @thetrashking459 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      For real though. I think my personal favorite part is 4:26 such a sadistic face with that unapologetic "I don't want to hear you crying"
      Like, actually the best villain song. It's heaven on the ears and 100% represents his actual motives. You have got to feel so bad for the people with actual talent who tried to make a good movie but Illumination was just like "No lol"

  • @TheLonelyGoomba
    @TheLonelyGoomba 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    I guess this was too real to put in the movie.

    • @Oij-Teh-Duckington
      @Oij-Teh-Duckington 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Holy crap! Sup dude, I love your content!

    • @glitchtron4453
      @glitchtron4453 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It's very ironic that Ilumination didn't put this song in because of it putting the message out too clearly and being too real and as a result, became what this song is critisizing.

    • @glitchtron4453
      @glitchtron4453 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Also nice to see you here Goomba.

  • @boonekeller5275
    @boonekeller5275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7182

    Illumination: *critiques capitalism*
    Also Illumination: Oh shit I forgot we're a corporation

    • @charadreemerr4195
      @charadreemerr4195 3 ปีที่แล้ว +272

      That is the very definition of the pot calling the kettle black

    • @King-Hammurabi
      @King-Hammurabi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +330

      Capitalism is not the same as corporatism. They are more different than you think. Dr. Seuss' Lorax was anti-corporate, but not anti-capitalist. Do not combine these two ideologies into one. Oh, and spoiler alert: Dr. Seuss wasn't a communist either. He was a liberal Democrat.

    • @trianglepoodle7571
      @trianglepoodle7571 2 ปีที่แล้ว +140

      @@King-Hammurabi Corporatism and Capitalism are one and the same. Corporatism simply describes the state that Capitalism encourages corporations into, exploiting anything to get profit.

    • @King-Hammurabi
      @King-Hammurabi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      @@trianglepoodle7571 Capitalism does not necessarily encourage corporatism/exploitation. It's like saying that conservatism encourages hate crime, but that's not really true, just like capitalism doesn't encourage exploitation but has the potential to do so.

    • @cantthinkofaname5046
      @cantthinkofaname5046 2 ปีที่แล้ว +83

      @@King-Hammurabi I know there is whole bad stigma attached to the word socialism, but a blend of capitalism and socialism would be the best bet for a more just system.

  • @purpledragon1945
    @purpledragon1945 ปีที่แล้ว +17153

    That awkward moment when you create one of the best villain songs in history,
    And then don't use it

    • @Mr_Edward_Nigma
      @Mr_Edward_Nigma ปีที่แล้ว +1508

      Yea, honestly this is even better then hellfire but illumination just had to say “it’s to scary for the kids.” Even though the Lorax is one of dr sueses most dark stories. Like bruh :/

    • @deandage2703
      @deandage2703 ปีที่แล้ว +419

      Izma and the Onceler are fuming about their cut villain songs istg

    • @raptorcrasherinc.9823
      @raptorcrasherinc.9823 ปีที่แล้ว +172

      @@Mr_Edward_Nigma this is a better villain song than Hellfire, I agree with you

    • @shannonehlert8482
      @shannonehlert8482 ปีที่แล้ว +170

      @@Mr_Edward_Nigma I wouldn’t say it’s better than hellfire, I’d say they’re on the same level though

    • @Starman062
      @Starman062 ปีที่แล้ว +254

      @@Mr_Edward_Nigma wasn’t too dark for kids. Too dark for illuminations.

  • @Tractor5015
    @Tractor5015 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    "Why are you trying? This thing is for childern, come on dumb it down a bit"
    A producer probably

    • @Rain_Sparrow
      @Rain_Sparrow หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Like dude I'm so angry this wasn't in the movie, I get that it has a message that corporations do know what they ate doing and that's shit and how bad can I be has opposite BUT COME ON

  • @yer-mum
    @yer-mum ปีที่แล้ว +270

    i could deadass write PARAGRAPHS about why they should have kept this and why they should have gone with the concept of the onceler being more villainous instead of silly tumblr sexyman
    edit: i did it. almost 1k words and an hour and a half worth of writing about why the this adaptation could have been so much better. i need to get a life. also wtf how is this song only a demo and this good? imagine if they finished it? like hello?

    • @yer-mum
      @yer-mum ปีที่แล้ว +75

      screw it
      First of all, in the original Lorax movie and the Dr Suess book, the Onceler was faceless and far more villainous, always being depicted in a dark environment. By keeping him faceless, Suess created the idea that the Onceler could be anyone or anything. Human, metaphysical, monster, physical embodiment of corporations, you name it. The Onceler could be you. This ambiguity and villainy were meant to be unsettling and scary. Even more so, because of the idea that it could be *you* doing such horrible things. By altering the image of the Onceler in this adaptation, making him obviously human and giving him a face, Illumination took away the Onceler's original purpose-- which was to make you afraid of what *you* could be capable of. Seeing the Onceler in all his silly tumblr sexyman glory takes away any unsettling feelings, because now it's obvious he is someone else. He is not you. He is a silly tumblr sexyman. You aren't a silly tumblr sexyman. You can't do what he did. You would never do what he did. By separating you and the Onceler, or you and corporations, or you and who-knows-what, they are creating the idea that he is only one person, one company, one who-knows-what. So long as it's not you, it's fine. Just as long as you aren't the one at fault, it's fine. Because there's absolutely 0 potential for you to be the Onceler in this adaptation, the fear of what you can do or what you're doing is erased. The erasure of the fear aspect in the story is counterproductive. If the studio really wanted to convey the message of saving the environment, don't buy into massive environment-ruining corporations, don't *become* the environment-ruining corporation, they would have kept the Onceler a faceless, ambiguous, unsettling character. But no, it's for the kids and they're sensitive. I mean, I understand. The target audience is kids. In order for the change this world needs to happen, we need to make the kids understand. But, kids are *very* literal. You cannot sugarcoat the lesson taught in this story. They will not understand. If not sugarcoating it means scaring them a little bit, then so be it.
      This brings me to my main point, about this song in particular. Not only is this song an absolute fucking banger, it actually implies that the original idea for this movie actually had a more villainous Onceler than the one we were given. The whole point I made above about him not being faceless or ambiguous ruining a key part of the story can pretty much be forgiven by this implication. After all, if they keep his villainy, in a way, the importance of whether or not he is ambiguous can be debated, because giving him a face and body humanizes him and can make one realize that humans are the problem. But that isn't the focus right now. Replacing this with How Bad Can I Be? was easily the WORST decision Illumination made with this movie. How Bad Can I Be?, again, makes the movie too playful. It isn't serious enough. You have to really read into the lyrics of How Bad Can I Be? to get the point across. Even then, it's very sugarcoated. Especially considering the upbeat music they put over it, and the relatively silly animation that went with it. I'm not bashing it, it's not a bad song at all. But it was not the right song for the movie. Because again, the whole point of the Onceler was to unsettle the person watching/reading. This song sounds and is mildly unsettling. It would make the watching the movie realize just how fucked up the whole situation is. It would make a child understand how downright horrible the Onceler and what he's doing is. How Bad Can I Be? just will not have the same effect. It barely touches on half of the key points Biggering does, and when it does touch on the ideas, it does a horrible job of it. Biggering actually touches on the idea of greed and pride, and how it can blind someone, leading them to pushing the limits and finding out how much is too much at a devastating price. It illustrates the tunnel vision people have when they become passionate about something, for better or in this case, for worse. How Bad Can I Be? definitely touches on a big topic-- how the offending company or person will make excuse after excuse to justify their wrongdoing, but again, Biggering also does this AND it does it in a way that's evident from the first time you hear it. In order to understand that theme in How Bad Can I Be? you need to really read into it, because the song is so upbeat sounding it's hard to catch it. The music takes away from the lyrics. Speaking of lyrics, the lyrics in Biggering hold a much deeper meaning. I'm getting sick of typing this tbh and ik I'm rambling, so I'll make this quick. Just to provide an example, the lyric in Biggering "who cares if some THINGS are dying" vs "who cares if some TREES are dying" in How Bad Can I Be? is so much more meaningful. It implies that more than just trees are dying. Animals, trees, and people are dying because of the decisions made. But y'know, taking away that ambiguity again, just this time in a song would make Illumination look hypocritical and stupid, so it got scrapped.
      TL;DR: faceless Onceler was better because he was ambiguous and scary which was the original purpose of his character, and How Bad Can I Be? was a horrible replacement for Biggering because the meaning gets watered down and sugarcoated a lot in How Bad Can I Be?
      thanks for reading my adhd rant

    • @duck-cc4qu
      @duck-cc4qu ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@yer-mum didnt as- ok.

    • @yer-mum
      @yer-mum ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@duck-cc4qu free speech, dude. if you don’t care for it, don’t acknowledge it. it’s here for those who are interested and also, i general, because i wanted to. i didn’t write it for you

    • @SH4RP_CH3SEE
      @SH4RP_CH3SEE ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@duck-cc4qu nobody asked you to type that comment but ok…

    • @duck-cc4qu
      @duck-cc4qu ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@yer-mum i was making a joke writing that because I didn't know what to write in response, but as a human I wanted to write something. I really think its interesting tbh, but ok

  • @abrady0
    @abrady0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8964

    The onceler actually feels like a bad person in this.

    • @adorations
      @adorations 3 ปีที่แล้ว +797

      he originally was supposed to be a bad person anyway

    • @estlin2001
      @estlin2001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +457

      Good observation! That's because he is!

    • @akorn9943
      @akorn9943 3 ปีที่แล้ว +786

      The onceler is such an interesting character because he’s supposed to be a bad person but also, not. Like he’s supposed to represent the worst of us, but also, well, us, he’s a normal person and any of us could do the things he does. I think this song captures that perfectly.

    • @silverfire1248
      @silverfire1248 3 ปีที่แล้ว +306

      @@akorn9943 agreed. He’s not evil, just completely blind to the pain his actions are causing. Evil would mean he not only knows the pain he’s causing, but wants it to continue. He wouldn’t feel remorse after he realized what all he did. He’s complex.

    • @p3el_
      @p3el_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Its human nature to expand and take any resources from mother nature, we will do it even if it kills us. You cant do anything about it, only those with power can speak up about it.

  • @vincent207
    @vincent207 ปีที่แล้ว +5501

    I wish we lived in the timeline where this movie was Illumination’s crowning achievement, and Biggering was up there with the most beloved villain songs.

    • @Nic_2751
      @Nic_2751 ปีที่แล้ว +247

      It’s ok, at least we still have the song and it’s original vision, even if it means enjoying it in a vacuum…..

    • @iexisted583
      @iexisted583 ปีที่แล้ว +360

      a timeline where they actually chose passion over capitalism

    • @lalaloopsyyay7828
      @lalaloopsyyay7828 ปีที่แล้ว +172

      At least we live in the timeline where puss in boots the last wish exists , best animated movie I’ve ever seen

    • @jasonchiu272
      @jasonchiu272 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      ​@@lalaloopsyyay7828 Though it would be better if this version of the Lorax existed alongside it.

    • @estela654
      @estela654 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jasonchiu272 what are you talking about

  • @jamesxiaolong2199
    @jamesxiaolong2199 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    And this cut right here is an example of why Illumination is it’s own worst enemy. They play things too safe, and keep their stories safe.

  • @ThatTrumpetstudent
    @ThatTrumpetstudent หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Rare that a song that is not only narratively but also musically getter gets cut. The song slaps and is a much better representation of how a normal person can turn into a greedy CEO of a company like say, I don’t know, the guys that own the minions

  • @theshockinglyeloquentdog9945
    @theshockinglyeloquentdog9945 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1991

    can you imagine being the writer and storyboard artists who worked on this only for it to be scrapped for shallow bubblegum pop trash?

  • @raquelalejandrapatinoojeda8334
    @raquelalejandrapatinoojeda8334 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5723

    The idea that this song is "too dark for kids" is absolute bullshit.
    If people look back at The Hunchback of Notre Dame and the song Hellfire with nostalgia, with people still talking about how great that song is... Yeah, no, Illumination had no excuse to cut this. Kids can handle way more than what you think, and corporations need to stop treating them like idiots.

    • @Charely1925
      @Charely1925 2 ปีที่แล้ว +279

      Agreed! I think it has less to do with kids handling darker themes and more that they can handle deeper honesty. It's not dark for dark's sake, the song is dark because it holds truth. Multi-million dollar corporations don't just accidentally destroy their means of production. Good wood companies strictly measure how much they harvest and make sure to re-place what they cut down. Big corp's never start with evil intentions, but every corp is fully capable of intense evil. Pride is the source of all evil, that's why greed is stated to be like a pet. Greed can do nothing if we don't feed it. But the moment we start indulging in more than we need, it makes us want more until it drives us to be consciously insane, doing what we KNOW is wrong. Hellfire and Biggering not only cover dark themes, they cover the human condition which every one of us struggle with.
      A bit much, I know, but that's my thoughts on that.

    • @jackdavenport5011
      @jackdavenport5011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +250

      Illumination is just so fixated on making bare-bones, digestible movies that are as inoffensive as possible, that's why they watered down the movie's dark themes so much (along with, you know, being exactly like the corporations the movie would have been calling out).

    • @fueledbycandy5920
      @fueledbycandy5920 2 ปีที่แล้ว +150

      And children no longer can or want to be oblivious to this sort of thing. As a 12 year old, I wish I knew more about climate change and this song would have been great for 7 year old me to hear, even if it stung. Its supposed to sting, its fucking climate change

    • @josharmstrong8813
      @josharmstrong8813 2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      Yeah that's absolutely true it may just be the fact that I was born in 2001 but I watched a fairly large amount of dark things and I'm not a completely maniac
      Watership Down, a Mouse's tail, lion king and many others I can't think of right now
      Basically I watched quite a few things that were either dark or had dark parts in them

    • @BsicalyLucifer
      @BsicalyLucifer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      their hand was kinda forced though

  • @Manuelslayor
    @Manuelslayor 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +110

    I think that the oncler was meant to be a much more nuanced vilian than many here make it out to be.
    His family, his closest people, dismised what he was doing and told him to go make something of himself, and so he went. He found a nice little place to settle. One day, he had the idea of knitting something out of the truffula trees. He did and was happy with the product, so he went to show it in town, but no one appreciated it. They did not appreciate his product, and to him, that meant that they did not appreciate what he was doing and, in turn, did not appreciate him. But that suddenly changed as they figured out how amazing his thneeds were.
    You see, normally greed has nothing to do with pride. Anyone can be greedy, prideful, or not. The Oncler is a bit different. His self-worth directly correlates to how people value what he is doing. He is proud of what he has become, proud of what people see him as, proud of his image. But he has to keep taking actions that please the people to uphold this image. That's why he is much more of a showman than a businessman. This is also reflected in the outfit.
    He is not greedy for money. He would not have built up thneedvile if he was. The people were already buying everything he threw out. He did not have to make them a brand new city. He was greedy for the approval of others. All other greed was a means to an end to fulfill his greed for approval and, in a sense, pride.
    You can see in the song when he uncovers the picture, how he hesitates. Then the lorax appears. A manifestation of his conscious, I would say. But he does not want to listen and is running away. We can see in the hallway how the shadow of the lorax is coming out of himself without the creature being there. It suggests that the lorax is really part of him and that it is his conscious. It is lecturing him about his problems, that he is joust meaninglesly trying to fulfill himself in a self-destructive way. The next part is him trying to reason away his consciousness. He seems ashamed of himself when he again sees the picture. He wants to give his hand to the lorax to his conscious, saying that what he is doing is not wrong, but it won't accept. He again seems to doubt what he is doing, but the people around him are chering. That's when it happens when he learns that It does not matter what some think of his actions when he should have learned that nearly everyone's opinion does not matter. He goes to pull the lever as his conscious watches in horror. This pull is a metaphor for his significant change. He is standing there as if he's saying "look the people are loving me, I'm the star, the main character, so who cares if some things are dying?" He certainly no longer does. The lorax and whit that his consciousness is gone. Don't come crying to me it will no longer change anything.
    He was blinded in the end by his pride. He never thought about sustainability he never looked outside of thneedvile. Only his workers did. He was aware that some things were dying, but not that everything was dying. The some in "who cares that some things are dying" implies that he is not at a point where he no longer cares if everything is dying. But in the end, he saw how the last tree was about to fall, and his conscious returned to his side. He suddenly realized the extent if what he had actually done in his pride induced stupor. But it was too late he could only watch now.
    He would have long diversified his business if it was about money and probably even begun to drive up prices to produce less and let it regenerate when the resource was getting scarce, but it was never about money. You see, the bosses of company's dont care about the resources because that not going to be a problem before they resign. And they could joust change to somewhere else to feed their greed if it was. Or sell the business and buy or start a new one. But anyone greedy in the onclers position would try his best to preserve the resource at least till he found a new market of equal value. The oncler can't joust change companies. There is not a single one that could pay him close to what he is making, which means that he can also not joust ignore the destruction of the resource if it was about money.
    It is certainly still a story about the consequences of unchecked resource use. As such, it's also about corporate greed, but I believe that the oncler was imagined as a more nuanced villain than joust bad greedy business owner. And of course, certainly not as the "uppps it seems that I deleted the forest" guy

    • @deniella8753
      @deniella8753 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I totally agree with this and I love all of your reasons about the song,movie, and overall character development of the onceler and the other characters such as the people. Also, I really liked the idea/truth that the onceler is trying to uphold his own image rather than being that money hungry because of the city he built. All in all I think that the oncelers family negatively influenced him which ended him to where he was at the end of the movie, but great comment! 💖💖😊👍👍

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Apparently they were going to give it more development and with more nuances, not like the type of "uppps it seems that I erased the forest" and that I didn't know what I was doing

  • @themoon.isbeautiful
    @themoon.isbeautiful 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    Composers: yall really think this would scare the kids?
    Producer: kids? We already shit our pants