@@WhyNotRV That's pretty good, and a huge improvement over the 33 deg F that the the Gree can handle. I'm leaning towards the Turbro primarily for this lower outdoor temperature rating, I just really wish it was quieter.
Yeah, the inverter compressor can definitely get better heating in lower temperatures. Although the gray unit is also way better than any standard unit on the market. They’re usually only rated to maybe 40°.
You mentioned that you were moochdocking during the test. Were you plugged into a GFCI receptacle? I am curious if inverter compressor trips GFCI receptacle while passthrough os functioning on victron, thanks gor the reviews!
Thanks a lot for your informative review! You mentioned you were moochdocking on a 15 amp outlet. Was that a GFCI Outlet? Curious about inverter compressor tripping victron passthrough from GFCI receptacle. Thanks
The Gree advertises a noise level as low as 43dB and Turbro advertises 45db. Can you do some sound testing with a db meter in a future video? They sounded like they were a lot more than 2db different in this video. For additional context, RecPro lists 55.4 db on low and 59.7db on high.
Solid review! I've been rocking a pair of TOSOT (gree/eco cool etc) with RV soft starts. And run them with a 3000 watt all in one EG4 inverter, and like you mention the sound of the gree units is fantastic; can watch tv and it barely makes you turn the volume up. Would be curious if you ran just the new rear unit for a 24 hour period... maybe have just the fan on the gree unit on fan to keep the air circulating; just to see the 24 hour energy usage. Interested to see where the inverter ones go in the next year or so, but the gree is a solid unit with a few kinks on maintaining a steady temp and such. I've found if you run it in dump mode it actually maintains a more constant temp, where using the louver setup causes it to need to cycle a few times to get to a temp set point.
I appreciate it. The Gree is an outstanding unit. The problem with running a test like you suggest is the BTUs is not rated for the size RV so it will just run constantly and never coo the RV down to temp. Maybe if I get some cool enough weather that it coul handle it appropriately but you see the issue here right?
I love the heat pump on the Turbro vs the Gree for both energy efficiency, start up amps (should be able to start off a standard 15a outlet without soft start) and it has lower outdoor operating temperatures. However the noise sounded quite loud. Were you running the fan at full speed? How loud is it at the lowest fan speed? Curious how much reducing air velocity would help. Can you compare the different fan speeds in a video? Do you think there would be any way to improve the noise level? Perhaps with some strategically placed hushmat? Or are there any leakage gaps that could be taped with aluminum duct tape to reduce air leakage through small cracks? Can you do a comparison of the Gree and Turbro air distribution plenum and give your thoughts on what makes the Gree so much quieter?
To start off, the gree unit is also a heat pump. I did testing with it last winter. I think they did an outstanding job in terms of any air leakage so that’s not an issue. The noise level I had the fan at the auto so I couldn’t tell you if that was on low, medium or high but either way, it’s definitely louder than the gray unit but again much more quiet than a standard RV air conditioner. You could definitely do some custom modifying inside with some Styrofoam or foam noise absorbent material. The degree unit just did a better design with how the air comes down from the unit and then comes out the louver vents efficiently and through a fully insulated and padded Plenum inside the ceiling unit. This unit just has a thin layer of foam type material across the entire interior unit to prevent condensation and what not but it did not do much for noise in my opinion. This upcoming week I will be showing the full install video so you will see what those components look like. I will throw in that video some decibel reading test of the noise level.
@@WhyNotRV Thank you! Looking at the installation manual for both and it's disappointing that Turbro didn't put a little more effort into the design of the air plenum. The Gree/Eco-Cool plenum isn't anything fancy or more expensive, just better thought out.
That’s a really good question. Of those 2 choices alone I would rather the 2 free units because they are so quiet and still very very energy efficient by comparison of every other standard rv ac. Now I love having one of each as the combo is great
Max watts drawn when at peak output and will it adapt to ducted RVs? Two very easy to answer questions with zero need for more than two short sentences.
Max watts I have seen out of it has been 700w. I’m sure in mid summer it’ll be a bit more. I believe you could duct it yourself with some foam and innovation but I don’t know if they’re making a separate ducted unit.
Unfortunately they dont offer OEM control interference compatibility such as Jaycommand/Bmpro or top down mounting. I was hopeful for use on my Jayco with top down mounting and Bmpro control system.
If you want to keep the ducting functioning then yes, you will have to wait for them to come out with a ducted version. However you can still install this and ditch the ducts.
@@WhyNotRV not with the Jayco system. There is no hole through the ceiling. The supply and return are both ducted. There is no ceiling assembly. It's top down mounted. Meaning it's mounted to the roof, not through bolted to a ceiling assembly like traditional units. So even if they did offer a duct model, it would need to have top down mounting ability. I don't see that happening. To be honest, I don't see a traditional ducted model happening anytime soon.
no, I would agree, I dont see that style unit coming out for a long time. If you wanted it for energy efficiency you would need to cut the hole and switch to the traditional RV mount. That goes same for the Gree unit. They make a ducted version, but not a top down version, that is still its own thing.
Also - Any idea if the EER rating on the Turbro site is a mistake? They list it as 4.1. The Tosot is 8.5 and the Chillcube is 10. 4.1 seems weirdly low given the watt draw you were measuring.
You didn’t miss it, I didn’t specifically cover it because I have so many videos on the green unit. It was pulling around 900 W while the new unit pulled less than 700.
Yes! I saw the rating as well and it obviously does not make any sense. Just considering the fact that the Tosot is the same thing as the gree unit just sold under a different brand and I’ve been actively testing the gree unit for over a year, I know that the rating of the Turbro unit Must have been a misprint or something.
@@WhyNotRV Awesome. It threw me a little. We had a minisplit in our Class C and are moving to a diesel pusher. The split is amazing, but the install was a bear and the install in the new rig would just be a royal pain. I've been hoping for a rooftop option that could work with the new (large) solar install and I think this might be the ticket. Furrion doesnt seem to have much interest in selling the chill cube to DIY folks, so...
Only time will tell. This is a new unit, but the company also makes mini splits so I’m sure they’ve had the technology around for a while and have hopefully learned. We will see
I showed that in this video, it by itself the fan only pulls 40 to 60 W generally and at full blast it ramped up to I think about 700 W. That was when it was about 88° outside. I’m sure in instead of heat summer it will be closer to 800 900. Maybe even 1000 W but I won’t know until next summer. I will be doing some testing on this in winter for heat pump to show the energy efficiency
That’s a hard test to do. It’s not a large enough unit to cool the entire airstream by itself in a warm climate so it’ll just run all night long probably at Max trying to cool the entire RV. As I showed in one of the tests, over 24 hours, the one green unit by itself had to run more and use more energy and didn’t keep the RV is cool as it was with both units running. With the two units running together I used less energy than just one by itself.
I would say it’s pretty comparable to the Houghton/rec pro unit. Probably still a bit ladder than that but way more energy efficient. Now , the gree unit is significantly quieter than the Houghton/rec pro unit and is more of energy efficient than that unit.
I’m an rv tech and van builder. I do a lot of dog grooming vans where one of the complaints is excess humidity in the van, moreso than an rv. Back in the day, I usedsome Gree acs when they first came out…the water dripping often took out their control/display which was mounted ( like the Turbro) in the center of the ceiling assembly. I’m worried about that but I’d love to try one. I currently use the Dometic Penguin but they pull a lot of current and I’m running all battery power.
This turbro unit also has a dehumidification feature as well. Again, being an inverter it can slow down the flow of refrigerant and absorb more moisture from the air. If it’s mounted correctly and level the drain pan system should be putting all water onto the roof of the rv or van and running off like rain.
@ Dometics drip inside because it seems they don’t more enough air across the evaporator. Dog hair getting past the filter doesn’t help either. Again though, there’s a lot more moisture in the air because of blow dry a wet dog than might be typical in an rv, although I was a tech at LV Airstream and we saw our share of mold in Airstreams.
It can still be installed and work, but it will not go through the duct system. You could add some custom foam to direct the airflow into the duct system yourself, but so far they have not created an internal component for ducted systems.
Hopefully they come out with a heat pump unit someday, I'm from Michigan so having multiple heat sources is also important to me
Its a heat pump as well according to the website
This is a heat pump!!! It’s rated to 19 degrees. I will be testing in this winter!❄️
New airstreams come with ac/heat pump.
@@WhyNotRV That's pretty good, and a huge improvement over the 33 deg F that the the Gree can handle. I'm leaning towards the Turbro primarily for this lower outdoor temperature rating, I just really wish it was quieter.
Yeah, the inverter compressor can definitely get better heating in lower temperatures. Although the gray unit is also way better than any standard unit on the market. They’re usually only rated to maybe 40°.
You mentioned that you were moochdocking during the test. Were you plugged into a GFCI receptacle? I am curious if inverter compressor trips GFCI receptacle while passthrough os functioning on victron, thanks gor the reviews!
Thank you and thanks for watching. I am not plugged into a gfci outlet. You are correct they trip every time.
Thanks a lot for your informative review!
You mentioned you were moochdocking on a 15 amp outlet. Was that a GFCI Outlet?
Curious about inverter compressor tripping victron passthrough from GFCI receptacle. Thanks
Absolutely! I’m not plugged into a GFCI outlet. They trip when running through the Victron stuff.
The Gree advertises a noise level as low as 43dB and Turbro advertises 45db. Can you do some sound testing with a db meter in a future video? They sounded like they were a lot more than 2db different in this video. For additional context, RecPro lists 55.4 db on low and 59.7db on high.
I will be doing it for next weeks video of the install.
Solid review! I've been rocking a pair of TOSOT (gree/eco cool etc) with RV soft starts. And run them with a 3000 watt all in one EG4 inverter, and like you mention the sound of the gree units is fantastic; can watch tv and it barely makes you turn the volume up. Would be curious if you ran just the new rear unit for a 24 hour period... maybe have just the fan on the gree unit on fan to keep the air circulating; just to see the 24 hour energy usage. Interested to see where the inverter ones go in the next year or so, but the gree is a solid unit with a few kinks on maintaining a steady temp and such. I've found if you run it in dump mode it actually maintains a more constant temp, where using the louver setup causes it to need to cycle a few times to get to a temp set point.
I appreciate it. The Gree is an outstanding unit. The problem with running a test like you suggest is the BTUs is not rated for the size RV so it will just run constantly and never coo the RV down to temp. Maybe if I get some cool enough weather that it coul handle it appropriately but you see the issue here right?
@@WhyNotRV absolutely. just curious comparing the gree alone vs the new unit. 1:1. 👍
Right. Again, the gree is a larger unit Btu wise so has more cooling capacity. I’ll do my best to show the turbro by itself in a future video
@@WhyNotRV I did forget the gree's were 15k. Good call.
I would like to know the energy it uses when the outside temp is over 100°
Won’t know till summer but here in Florida high 80s it’s crazy low energy draw. I will definitely be doing follow up videos.
First will be to highlight the heat pump feature and how well it does in freezing temps
What are the numbers on the Turbro while in heat mode?
I love the heat pump on the Turbro vs the Gree for both energy efficiency, start up amps (should be able to start off a standard 15a outlet without soft start) and it has lower outdoor operating temperatures. However the noise sounded quite loud. Were you running the fan at full speed? How loud is it at the lowest fan speed? Curious how much reducing air velocity would help. Can you compare the different fan speeds in a video? Do you think there would be any way to improve the noise level? Perhaps with some strategically placed hushmat? Or are there any leakage gaps that could be taped with aluminum duct tape to reduce air leakage through small cracks? Can you do a comparison of the Gree and Turbro air distribution plenum and give your thoughts on what makes the Gree so much quieter?
To start off, the gree unit is also a heat pump. I did testing with it last winter. I think they did an outstanding job in terms of any air leakage so that’s not an issue. The noise level I had the fan at the auto so I couldn’t tell you if that was on low, medium or high but either way, it’s definitely louder than the gray unit but again much more quiet than a standard RV air conditioner. You could definitely do some custom modifying inside with some Styrofoam or foam noise absorbent material. The degree unit just did a better design with how the air comes down from the unit and then comes out the louver vents efficiently and through a fully insulated and padded Plenum inside the ceiling unit. This unit just has a thin layer of foam type material across the entire interior unit to prevent condensation and what not but it did not do much for noise in my opinion. This upcoming week I will be showing the full install video so you will see what those components look like. I will throw in that video some decibel reading test of the noise level.
@WhyNotRV So the Gree is a heat pump, just not an inverter heat pump, correct? Which is why you still need a soft start to keep the amp draw down.
Correct, the gree unit is not an inverter compressor so still needs a soft start
@@WhyNotRV Thank you! Looking at the installation manual for both and it's disappointing that Turbro didn't put a little more effort into the design of the air plenum. The Gree/Eco-Cool plenum isn't anything fancy or more expensive, just better thought out.
Thats exactly right
Would you rather have 2 of the gree units or 2 of the turbro
That’s a really good question. Of those 2 choices alone I would rather the 2 free units because they are so quiet and still very very energy efficient by comparison of every other standard rv ac. Now I love having one of each as the combo is great
The best part about Inverter units is, the Inverter computer boards NEVER fail... ya right
This is not a new technology. Just packed into a rv rooftop design is the new part. Only time will tell of course
Max watts drawn when at peak output and will it adapt to ducted RVs? Two very easy to answer questions with zero need for more than two short sentences.
Max watts I have seen out of it has been 700w. I’m sure in mid summer it’ll be a bit more. I believe you could duct it yourself with some foam and innovation but I don’t know if they’re making a separate ducted unit.
Unfortunately they dont offer OEM control interference compatibility such as Jaycommand/Bmpro or top down mounting. I was hopeful for use on my Jayco with top down mounting and Bmpro control system.
No, but the unit is on its own app and Wi-Fi so it can be controlled from anywhere in the world
@@WhyNotRV still can't use it on a modern Jayco 5th wheel. They are top down mount and ducted on both sides.
If you want to keep the ducting functioning then yes, you will have to wait for them to come out with a ducted version. However you can still install this and ditch the ducts.
@@WhyNotRV not with the Jayco system. There is no hole through the ceiling. The supply and return are both ducted. There is no ceiling assembly. It's top down mounted. Meaning it's mounted to the roof, not through bolted to a ceiling assembly like traditional units. So even if they did offer a duct model, it would need to have top down mounting ability. I don't see that happening. To be honest, I don't see a traditional ducted model happening anytime soon.
no, I would agree, I dont see that style unit coming out for a long time. If you wanted it for energy efficiency you would need to cut the hole and switch to the traditional RV mount. That goes same for the Gree unit. They make a ducted version, but not a top down version, that is still its own thing.
Maybe I missed it in the video - What was the Gree unit drawing in terms of watts vs the Turbro under similar conditions?
Also - Any idea if the EER rating on the Turbro site is a mistake? They list it as 4.1. The Tosot is 8.5 and the Chillcube is 10. 4.1 seems weirdly low given the watt draw you were measuring.
You didn’t miss it, I didn’t specifically cover it because I have so many videos on the green unit. It was pulling around 900 W while the new unit pulled less than 700.
Yes! I saw the rating as well and it obviously does not make any sense. Just considering the fact that the Tosot is the same thing as the gree unit just sold under a different brand and I’ve been actively testing the gree unit for over a year, I know that the rating of the Turbro unit Must have been a misprint or something.
@@WhyNotRV Awesome. It threw me a little. We had a minisplit in our Class C and are moving to a diesel pusher. The split is amazing, but the install was a bear and the install in the new rig would just be a royal pain. I've been hoping for a rooftop option that could work with the new (large) solar install and I think this might be the ticket. Furrion doesnt seem to have much interest in selling the chill cube to DIY folks, so...
This is definitely it. Just keep in mind Btu’s if you need 2 or 3 units for your new rig
They usually have a lot of computer board problems.
Only time will tell. This is a new unit, but the company also makes mini splits so I’m sure they’ve had the technology around for a while and have hopefully learned. We will see
How does it do, energy wise, with just the Turbro running?
I showed that in this video, it by itself the fan only pulls 40 to 60 W generally and at full blast it ramped up to I think about 700 W. That was when it was about 88° outside. I’m sure in instead of heat summer it will be closer to 800 900. Maybe even 1000 W but I won’t know until next summer. I will be doing some testing on this in winter for heat pump to show the energy efficiency
@@WhyNotRV I was referring to running it all night or over 24 hours. Does 10% to 15% more efficient over a 24 hour period sound about right?
That’s a hard test to do. It’s not a large enough unit to cool the entire airstream by itself in a warm climate so it’ll just run all night long probably at Max trying to cool the entire RV. As I showed in one of the tests, over 24 hours, the one green unit by itself had to run more and use more energy and didn’t keep the RV is cool as it was with both units running. With the two units running together I used less energy than just one by itself.
Do they make a ducted version of the turbo unit?
Not yet. I am not sure if that’s in there future plans
@@WhyNotRV Thank you
How does the noise level compare to the Houghton/Rec Pro that you had before?
I would say it’s pretty comparable to the Houghton/rec pro unit. Probably still a bit ladder than that but way more energy efficient. Now , the gree unit is significantly quieter than the Houghton/rec pro unit and is more of energy efficient than that unit.
I’m an rv tech and van builder. I do a lot of dog grooming vans where one of the complaints is excess humidity in the van, moreso than an rv. Back in the day, I usedsome Gree acs when they first came out…the water dripping often took out their control/display which was mounted ( like the Turbro) in the center of the ceiling assembly. I’m worried about that but I’d love to try one. I currently use the Dometic Penguin but they pull a lot of current and I’m running all battery power.
This turbro unit also has a dehumidification feature as well. Again, being an inverter it can slow down the flow of refrigerant and absorb more moisture from the air. If it’s mounted correctly and level the drain pan system should be putting all water onto the roof of the rv or van and running off like rain.
@ Dometics drip inside because it seems they don’t more enough air across the evaporator. Dog hair getting past the filter doesn’t help either. Again though, there’s a lot more moisture in the air because of blow dry a wet dog than might be typical in an rv, although I was a tech at LV Airstream and we saw our share of mold in Airstreams.
Right. You are literally adding humidity into your air. Maybe a separate countertop dehumidifier for your type of setup would be helpful
Will it work with ducted air systems. Like 2022 airstream??????
It can still be installed and work, but it will not go through the duct system. You could add some custom foam to direct the airflow into the duct system yourself, but so far they have not created an internal component for ducted systems.
@ ya . I’m thinking later in life on the trailer
I’m sure it time goes by. They will come up with a unit that is directly meant for ducted systems.
Looking for long term customer reviews. Anyone seen any?
They don’t exist yet. Brand new product. I’m one of the first to have it installed.