METAL GEAR SOLID THE DEFINITION OF ANTI-HERO BIG BOSS | ANALYSIS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มิ.ย. 2024
- Join us on a journey through the complex and compelling story of Big Boss, one of gaming's most iconic characters. From his humble beginnings as a soldier fighting for justice to his tragic descent into darkness, Big Boss's story is a tale of ambition, betrayal, and redemption.
In this video, we explore the evolution of Big Boss's character, from his early days as a loyal soldier to his transformation into a ruthless dictator. We delve into the moral complexities of his actions, the impact of his decisions on those around him, and the legacy he leaves behind.
From his conflicts with The Boss and his struggle against the Patriots to his relationships with his sons, Solid Snake and Liquid Snake, we examine the key moments that define Big Boss's journey and shape the Metal Gear Solid series as a whole.
Join us as we unravel the legacy of Big Boss, exploring the themes of loyalty, betrayal, and the pursuit of freedom that resonate throughout his story. Whether you're a long-time fan of the Metal Gear series or a newcomer intrigued by its rich lore, this video offers a comprehensive look at one of gaming's most compelling characters.
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00:00 INTRO
03:01 COLD WAR ORIGINS OF BIG BOSS
19:33 A LEADERS STORY BEGINS FOXHOUND
27:23 MSF SOLDIERS WITHOUT BORDERS / NUCLEAR POWER
49:35 THE RISE AND FALL OF BIG BOSS DESTRUCTION OF MOTHERBASE
01:02:36 THE PHANTOM LEGACY OF BIG BOSS
01:25:12 OUTER HAVEN \ ZANZIBAR
01:31:37 CONCLUSION - เกม
So i finished the video, wonderful analysis.
To my eyes big boss (at least until Phantom pain) was Just a broken man that Lost control over his emotions After killing the only person that he loved. Really well made vid, can't wait For more
No! That is NOT Big Boss!
The boss even gives warning that allies today become enemies tomorrow. In the world's eyes big boss was just another warmonger
@@noofahbarnze8738 yep
He definitely was a broken man. Anyone would be after that. When learning that what he believed in and fought for was a lie his whole life was turned upside down.
To quote Big Boss at the end of MGS4: "Eversince the day... that I killed The Boss... I was already dead."
Jack saved the World twice , killed his own mentor , and they still treated him like a criminal.
4 times
He saved it during MGS3, PO, PW and if you count MGSV (even if its his body double)
@@NobleBoss3
Destroying 6 different proto metal gears on the way
Yes well, you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Yes he saved the world but he also condemned a man to death, similarly to how the American government condemned The Boss to death.
Which one?
The kids that Big Boss brought to Zanzibar land were never children soldiers. Not once did they ever attack Solid Snake or was forced into conflict. They were refugees. Even the kids mentioned Big Boss “hated adults” for their ugliness. Outside of that, Big Boss went off the deep end to build his “perfect world” of soldiers fighting in endless conflict to feel needed. Misinterpreting the Boss’s will and becoming bitter. But he’s still a hero to me lol 🫡 Best MGS character.
You should read his monologue in the second metag gear game with Solid Snake. He wanted to perpetuate a world of conflict to create child soldiers and feed them back into the war machine.
"You saw those children, didn't you? Every one is a victim of a war somewhere of the world. And they'll make fine soldiers in the next war. Start a war, for its flames, create victims... Then save them, train them... And feed them back onto the battlefield. It's a perfectly logical system. In this world of ours, conflict never ends. And neither does our purpose... our raison d'etre."
Makes Solidus look like a hero.
@@ChameleoSalamander1Solidus trained children soldiers. He was no hero compared to Big Boss. Big Boss may have wanted to wait until they were of adulthood to train them, but the facts show the refugees children were not children soldiers.
@@dewforpolitics he was a hero by comparison to BB in his later years. Not condoning what Solidus did but his end game was to free the people from the patriot's grasp and give opportunity and liberty back to the people as the constitution intended. A far cry from perpetual warfare that BB and Liquid wanted for the world. Phantom Pain was supposed to explain BB's descent into villainy but they never really delve into it at all. It wasn't the "missing gear" they planned to link it into the later series.
Solidus' version of Outer Heaven was a nuke over New York that would act like an EMP blast to knock it offline and out of the Patriot's control of censorship, A.I. and digital I.D.'s.
@@ChameleoSalamander1 some other youtuber arugued big boss didnt use child soldiers with me in his comments smh
Without Naked Snake saving the world, and Big Boss saving Venom Snake, by all rights we wouldn’t even be here like 2-3 times.
A lot of MGS is all about perspective. To solid snake, big boss is a villain. To big boss and everyond who truly knows him, hes a man betrayed by his mentor, who's mentor was betrayed by their country, and has known nothing but death and loss from a young age. His passion to build a nation of soldiers not once but twice and failing both times would turn a man insane. To solid snake, big boss with a nuke is a man who needs to be stopped. But really when you play as him, big boss has no intention of ever launching it. Its just to keep his private army and heaven safe. Even venom, who adopts the persona of big boss, still inherits the same losses and his biggest one not only being the loss of his left forearm, but the whole parasite infestation. He literally had to shoot his own people in the quarantine platform.
There's also Venom's loss of his own identity due to becoming Big Boss' shadow.
@@KamenSentaiMetalHerokinda sad when you realize its very comparable to Ocelot by the end of his life.
@@kikrinman1450 why? Because of Liquid? Ocelot himself said he was impersonating Liquid on purpose to fool the Patriots AI, and Ocelot would occasionally go back to his own self
@@rns_nickitoloko_psn5775 morseo after all of the years of deception and manipulation. It's the big joke about Ocelot that no one knows who he's working for, including himself. So it's less "who am I, where am I" and more "what have I been doing with myself this entire time"
He dedicated his entire life to Big Boss, fulfilled his "purpose"
*_Maybe the real anti-heroes are all the friends we made along the way._*
8 years ago I got introduced to this franchise and loved it.
8 years later and my love for it has grown to where I can confidently say that this series is my favorite piece of fiction ever.
Solid snake may be my favorite character,but big boss's story is the thing that makes this story my favorite to begin with.
Venom Snake deserves his own video
Big Boss went through a lot. He was molded as doing the right thing and yet he saw the corruption of his leaders. With his feelings vs his beliefs drove him nuts to the point he wanted his army influenced by Kaz. Betrayals happened that he could no longer trust anyone except for Frank and Ocelot. Then he realized towards the end he can't control everything. He was a fool. Just let the world be. He is like any influencial person they get tricked by the idea of fame and followers. They tend to get lost and hope to change the other people's perspective to aligned with their beliefs thus creating factions, group, army or cult.
it's funny because his son goes through almost the exact same events (realizing his idols/masters are corrupt, having to kill a parental figure, being betrayed by a close friend) but he never lets it get to him. as david hayter once said, "solid snake continues to care while other men turn their hearts to stone"
@@Garland846just like real life.... woah
No sarcasm. That's a Bill and Ted woah.
Venom Snake became the leader. Jack, succumbing to hate and vengeance, vound up being not much different from Skullface. V may have had Big Boss' whole persona planted into his mind, but underneath all that, he was a medic who wanted to save as many lives as possible.
kaz im sopping wet we need dryers outside of the shower units
Sorry, Boss. We're airdropping one in now
War... war never changes.
1:04:06
"She betrayed me, Kaz."
You betrayed them, Boss.
1:10:20
I can't believe I or we didn't see it up until now. This was THE BIGGEST character difference between Big Boss and Venom Snake, staring us right in the face before it was made obvious he was a Doppelganger.
If nothing else, he was a dictator back in Zanzibar, where he was the head of a nuclear equipped militarized state that invaded other countries at will and seeked to monopolize both the world's nuclear arsenal and the newly found energetic resources. He didn't deny any of this when speaking to Solid Snake and even boasted about finding the perfect balance of war by creating or taking advantage of war orphans for future battlefields.
40:00 the irony of this is in our world a flaw in a machine falsely detected a nuclear missle and it was the gut instinct of the humans there who decided to not listen and cause the destruction of the world.
especially of we let the wrong hand's get in control
By Big Boss's own definition of a dictator he used to describe Gene, his younger self might see his older self as a dictator.
Granted a dictator doesnt inherently have to be bad, hell most monarchs back in the day were pretty much dicators with a permanent position of power.
I’m slowly going into my anual Metal Gear phase, and I’m so glad so many good videos have been dropping the last few weeks lol
Here’s to you ❤
3 is just a tipping point Big Boss has always questioned forms of government even as a child and as for Chico well it makes you question The Boss’s motives even taking a 14 year old orphan who has already been traumatized and teaching him to fight rather than teach him the values of peace or even how to live off the battlefield in way Big Boss is doing what he witnesses and in PO doesn’t he take Fox to a rehab facility when they first meet don’t take it the wrong way I think The Boss is a wonderful character on her own but it doesn’t mean I don’t question her at times. I love Big Boss for his complexity, how his mind works and how he comes to the conclusions he does. Or the fact he does lies to himself at times and by extension the player either by his senses, The Boss’s passing the flowers turning red or phantom butterflies and flowers petals or repeating the cover story in 3 because the past is too painful to recall and some players believe that he doesn’t have the truth. He truly is one of the greatest characters ever written at least in my opinion
great take 👍
I think he destroyed the military-industrial complex and took it down with him as a soldier and a mastermind. He is a hero for sure.
I just finished the video. Thank you for all the work you put into this. It is an amazing character analysis. I can't wait for more videos to come!
much appreciated comments like yours keep me motivated!
Love this! Feels like we are about to possibly enter into a new Golden age of metal gear! Can't wait for Delta(3) to come out and I have my hopes up 4 will get a rerelease at some point
Great work, opinion, and insight once again. You're very consistent with your channel and content, especially regarding MGS. Love it.
its the fifth time this month i watched this great video i love it way too much, i'm happy to have found this gem of a channel of you'rs
thanks your appreciated
This deserves way more views
love your work! can't wait for more!
Leader.😤💪🏾💙
I enjoyed the video very much! I can't wait for MGS Delta
Great video.
Can anyone tell me what the little beep jingle is that plays on the intro for the video? It plays at 2:56 to 2:58
Bravo bravo grate job again brother
love you mate 👍
Also love this video subbing
Hey mate how are doing? Im going to Watch the video later in the day because i got some work to do now (so ill make another ci about your video as soon as i finish It) but i wanted to ask you a question:
Im on a mgs4 foxhound rank, i maneged to do 0 alert, kills and recovery items till the frog fight before screaming mantis but i did all of that in 3 hours. In your opinion do you think Is possible to achieve the rank with This Little time remaining?
not so bad bud yourself, yeah most definitely you should have of plenty of time as long as you skip the cutscenes the window for the foxhound rank is like 5hr 30m so you should be good
@@mycardboardbox oh thank you so Much mate, i was so confused because when i searched online One guy was saying 4 hours, another One 4.30, another One 5 and so on so i decided to ask you since i trust ya :).
Thank you again mate, Imma finish the video later in the evening, cya
Second time watching a video of this channel and twice he says the boss is the apprentice. SHE'S NOT THE APPRENTICE, SHE'S THE MASTER
timestamp it? just to let you know when i say "the boss" i could also be referring to big boss, jack, john, naked, snake because some people simply just refer to him as just "boss", so if you cant read between the lines that that's your problem not mine doesn't take a genius to work out does it , just really a sad bit of criticism on your end
@@mycardboardbox between 4:38 and 4:49. You said that "big boss would question.....something that his disciple, "The Boss" would understand" but The Boss ain't the disciple, she's the Master. There's absolutely no need to read between the lines because you're not using secondary codenames or nicknames, you're using the primary ones.
Calm down Skippy. You go make a 90 minute video and get it all right.
He also mispronounces a ton of words but I'm sure he'll get better over time.
@@MacInTheBox sure, it's something to consider...i agree but you don't reply to a comment saying the person who comments failed to "read between the lines" when there wasn't anything to read and that is their problem
Congrats on 1k likes
Big boss is the goat
big boss will always be a hero despite what he may have done in the past
and for those who says "not my boss, venom is the true boss", i want to tell to them that he is their boss by proxy since venom was loyal to big boss until the end
49:58 What a shot 📸..
#kojimaisgod
“Leader or dictator”
Why is it implied those two things are mutually exclusive in the thumbnail? By virtue of definition all dictators are leaders, even if not all leaders are dictators.
In summary, while both leaders and dictators may hold positions of authority, their approaches, sources of authority, treatment of followers, goals, and levels of accountability differ significantly. Leaders typically aim to inspire and empower, while dictators seek to control and dominate. does that clear things up for you mr salty?
@@mycardboardbox
Mr.salty”
Wow, dude, I literally just asked you an earnest question and gave a brief qualifier to describe why I asked it at all.
But if we’re being snide and condescending- that definition you just gave for leader is completely made up and arbitrary. No established, colloquial definition of the word “leader” has ever framed it exclusively in positive qualities in a way similar to yours here. You’re essentially being smarmy over someone not understanding the parameters of a set of subjective qualifications that you made up entirely. It’s not rooted in any previously established and commonly known usage of the original word.
It’s like if I said “the difference between a comment and a post is that, while both are sentiments shared on the internet on a topic, comments generally are well reasoned, genuine and foster honest discourse on the topic, while posts do not”
While I could argue that that’s my own personal concept of what the term “comment” conveys, I can’t pretend like it’s not a conceptualization that is personal to myself or that it’s an interpretation of the word in common colloquial usage that is immediately recognizable even outside of any established context. I would therefor have to preface my statement to recognize this fact, not doing this would make me look pretentious and intellectually dishonest as well as a tad presumptuous. That’s basically what you just did here lmao
@@mycardboardbox Dictators need to inspire and empower to a degree or those under them would take them out. The more people you kick the more likely someone kicks back.
Typically you want to empower people through something causing blind loyalty or servitude.
Just enough funds that's all we need to make peace
Cool!
I wish I got into the series way earlier. I'm still catching up with all the lore, I gotta find a way to play po and PW. I've only been able to play mgs1 and V
THANK YOU.
You're welcome!
Damn....great video!
I wanna play Peacewalker again.
And Phantom Pain again...
I can't do this I've got Final Fantasy's to play this was not okay. Halp!
I wholeheartedly believe Portable Ops is canon because how else would he be able to feed a small army or even provide basic amenities like medical care or even the transportation to stay on the move or to get to a warzone? Exactly
Ive been a metal gear fan since i was a child and the story of the entire franchise is still so confusing to me .
I love this Channel reminds me of Python selkan
It isn't that black and white. But Big Boss essentially became the thing he hated in this game. He got angry with the world's governments for using soldiers like him and The Boss...and that is what led to MSF, Mother Base and Outer Heaven. Thing is...he used Venom as a body double, changing his face and lying to him about it. It is more than a little hypocritical. Not to mention Big Boss goes on to stockpile nukes and eventually threaten to launch them. So yea, he is a villain.
10:57 lee arvey hoswald
I have a really big theory about this and who the real bad guy of MGSV is, how once set into motion Big Boss has no choice but to become the evil big bad that the world wants him to be so that he can die and set the world free from borders.
But in order to do that I’d have to reference a lot of material and it would take a lot to unpack it in a comment.
I wish o could make a theory video like this… because it would definitely be a more interesting spin. Or plot twist-
That Kaz is actually the orchestrator of everything and his “passion” for chasing down revenge is what perverts the goal that his best friend Naked Snake would have been going for and thats why he faked his own doppelgänger and had to go it alone without Kaz, and using the help of Occelot, who is for all intents and purposes an avid supporter of the real Big Boss and diametrically opposed to what Kaz ends up becoming because he’s blinded by revenge and his passionate self serving ambition to Make Motherbase Great Again! was not Big Bosses dream.
And why Occelot continues being a triple agent doing everything he can despite interference to become the Big Bad and unite the world under tyranny of information technology and gun control and free the world with his final sacrifice at the hands of snake, big boss’ ultimate protege.
Basically a much grander stage performance than the ruse performed by the Joy and Jack in Groznyjgrad…
Boss had to train up her own sword to fall on it, and so too did Big Boss, but the patriots kept going, so Occelot had to take on Liquids brains and emulate his Boss by being the same pariah until the end in order to ensure GW is destroyed and the entire system is reset… or they’d just keep coming back.
Kaz is the misguided disciple of his Boss, like how Zero and Big Boss were two disciples with misguided ideals, but the only way Big Boss could see liberation from the system was to become the military state the world would focus its nukes on, and then free them all when he’s taken down.
Kaz wanted greatness, Boss wanted to fall from grace so the world could know peace.
Kaz came back and dragged Boss back from the brink of death to continue living out his dream- and boss got a patsy, a stand in to fill his shoes.
Then he found out Zero had him cloned and he had to change the plan again and make sure Snake did his job and take down both himself and the body double to finish the job.
But then the patriots made an AI and only Occelot could carry that torch.
See how they’re all kinda playing this long con, or leading the world to hate them just to die at the hands of their own trainee?
I think it’s a recurrent theme
Maybe the REAL Big Boss was the friends we made along the way
this hits differently after watching the tucker X Putin interview
Wait why
Great analysis video but i disagree with the part about Venom being fundamentally different than BB.
Venom was all for allowing the child soldiers to continue being soldiers since they already knew how to use guns and whatnot, Kaz was the one who was adamantly opposed and wanted them to have a chance at a normal life. Venom isn't canonically choosing to disarm the nukes. It's player dependent, and he can easily choose to add and develop more nukes on Mother base instead.
Venom was created to be an exact mental copy of BB and with surgury his physical copy as well. The only part of him that was not BB was his DNA. So, it stands to believe that all of the decisions Venom makes during this time are similar to what BB's choices would have been. Only when the hypnotherapy started to wear off and the Medic's memories and personality started resurfacing did anything start to differ.
The final "Truth" cutscene at the end of the game is highly suggestive and can be interpreted in many ways. I, however, subscribe to the idea that when Medic first learns the truth, he is happy that BB would trust him enough to carry his legacy, hence the smile. However then it follows a timeskip and is during Solid Snake's infiltration of Outer Heaven, and Venom learns the mission parameters of Operation Intrude N313 that he finally comes to understand that he is being used as an expendable pawn and accepts his fate begrudgingly, i.e. punching the mirror. But he was still choosing to die for BB even if he was used.
The main difference between their personalities is Big Boss learned the truth immediately after waking from his coma and Venom was fed a lie for presumably years.
I do however like the theory that some of Venom's memories were altered so that he would trust Kaz again unlike BB after the Peace Walker reveal. Because learning about Kaz was a main reason of BB's disillusionment with his original ideal.
lol! “The enemy of your enemy can be…come a valuable Ally” 😂😂 you said it wrong.
na there is no way of saying it wrong bruh
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Thank god I just got mgs3 again and all that I want 4 but ima play 5 again too lol.
Big boss isn't necessarily a dictator nor a war criminal, he's just happen to be the victim of betrayal and dishonesty.
Everything big boss did was to serve and do the right thing not help out megalomaniacs who used Pentagons black budget to create weapons of mass destruction of which they lost to the soviet union, Big Boss was lied to and he wanted to escape Foxhound after they worshipped big boss as the greatest soldier to ever live even wanting to clone him.. that's when big boss supposedly dived into villainy, but we really don't know how big boss was during his time in outerheaven, we just know he created a phantom in order to escape Zero, the sad part there was never a war in phantom pain, the real war was always in the background, Big boss versus Zero.
Yet in the eyes of his soldiers and comrades John is a hero to them, no matter what he did, he gave them a home and a purpose such thing is a gift which is zanzibar and yes those may be child soldiers and John might be boasting about but if you think about it sounds a lot like old Snake who likes to boast about things and impress others.. secretly he's a goofball with no intent of harming others. he thought his idea was genius and really it turned out to be the smartest on but despite that he gave the lost children a home and purpose evil would do the absolute opposite.
Was he really the villain like they say
Depends on what “big boss” we are talking about because venom was the hero or at least anti hero while naked snake was the villain. But that’s what I think idk
there's no villains in Metal Gear, just different worldviews, except maybe for Coldman and Skull Face
Hey! No disrespect but I think you need a less muffled mic
well if thats the case buy me one then lol
Hate to be that guy 🤓"but akchully" he got his start in the Virtuous Mission, after which came Operation Snake Eater. Lol I'm sorry...
Edit: Portable Ops will always be canon imo.
Big boss did nothing wrong
Não existe vácuo de poder ele fez o que precisava pra mudar a realidade dele e de outros soldados
Não foi perfeito, não foi " heroico " não foi um arquétipo de Jesus
Ele foi o que o universo de metal gear exigia e lutou como podia .
Bons e maus ???
Isso é muito marvel
Se ele agisse diferente teria sido igual a Boss usada e abusada
Como no final do filme
Cavaleiro das trevas o Gordon fala
Ele é o que Gothan precisa mas não do jeito que ela quer
Não, ele é além disso
Por que ele aguenta.
Im 995 Like guys we can break 1K!!
Big Boss forever a leader. i wrote a song and an album called Outer Heaven in his Honour.
Just remember, everything is surreal when you, as an an individual, arent involved.
I get it, you dont want to get involved with Russia, neither did my grandfather. But he had to.
Glory to those who died defending freedom in the Balkans.
and your point is ? so what about your grandfather but mine to had to fight the world war and died of mustard gas after retuning home defending his country' from a piece of crap called hitler , some wars are fought for good reason to fight for liberty's and freedoms, just like ww1 and ww2, i have nothing but respect for those fallen men who fought for are freedom back in a time where war was a means to an end and for a good cause, but you would be a mindless fool to believe corruption in politics dont determine a false war behind greed and false agendas for those in power to gain wealth, and time has proven that including Vietnam, enemies are created for us, we dont get to choose, the young fight the wars and the old and foolish squabble put the world at risk, ( potential nuclear destruction ) and by todays standards people have become more peaceful and wish to live amongst each other, facts are anybody decant doesn't want a war but has to except its part of the human condition, my loyalties and my beliefs are my own just as yours one i dont care to express, sadly to many people are easily manipulated into been pawns, by a government that starts wars and never fights them treats its population like trash , i dont take sides with anyone i defend my own, facts are just like the boss mentions politics change with the times its fickle, Russia and usa used to be on good terms and now there not
@@mycardboardbox the point being, we are all victims to history, i hope everything goes well in this world so we can dwell into mgs world again.
Ps. Thank you for the story, i appreciate it.
@@kasubarukun22 as do i, one can only hope
Ah the CIA u mean
big boss was no hero. he was a monster who was just like the other patriots
Big Boss could not see beyond the life of a soldier, he had nothing else. That is why he is so cold hearted, he knows nothing but authority, fighting and death.
Kiefer Sutherland = Big Boss
David Hayter = Solid Snake
BOOM! 😎👊🏻
6:20 you film this in 2024 and yet you do not mention Ukraine, cities of which is bombed by rusia on daily basis. Shame.
coming from a perfectley programmed dork with a anime pfp why am i not surprised, 😂 😂
@@mycardboardbox thanks for proofing you are not a human
@@SanyaBane dude, go cry somewhere else and stop moaning about Ukraine, your a perfect example of a pathetically easily influenced person, you buy into everything the media tells you because your easily minapulated, you should be kissing my toes, our pathetic country the "uk" had funded your land massively to fight and go to war, and yet losers like yourself aren't on the frontline fighting it 😂 😂 you are a definition of a joke, a virtue signaling lgbt follower need i say anymore?, you blindly follow your goverment and media properganda without questioning the corruptions' of nations because you are fast asleep in your arragonce, enjoy your proxy war funded by the west, you country was once weapon free, tbh i dont care about what goes ON in politics and other counties ive got my own to worry about, i couldn't care less what you do, in fact i PITY you, because your a typical cliché of todays satanic evil society, so begone you demon, there is no right and wrong in war and no side is in the right, its called propaganda, govementsm elites, dont care about peasants like you OR me, FACT, instead of posting soldier's heads decapitated beeen eating by cats do somthing positive for the world, you freak
@@mycardboardbox amount of cope in this single comment is remarkable.
Quite fun how brainless people which eats shit called "rusian propaganda" about "proxy war" and nonsene like that, consider themselves as smart people.
Well, "useful idiot" term was not made from nothing.
Your comment makes no sense... why should he mention real life situations when he makes an essay of a fictional video game character? Did you know that there are other wars to stand with than the Ukraine vs Russia (which has been bolstered with propaganda from the politicians and social media). You are obviously young... try to do a little more research in the grand picture than doing research on the single thing. And try to stay away from social media when you do your research... that will definitely muddle your opinion further.