Speed Matching Locomotives for MU and Distributed Power Consists

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ค. 2024
  • In this video, I show you how to program multiple unit consists on a Digitrax DCC system as well as how to program CVs to make locomotives behave more realistically on mountain grades with heavy trains that use DPUs.
    Primary load compensation CVs
    Digitrax: CV57 - Values between 0-15
    ESU: CV54 - Values between 0-255
    Soundtraxx: CV212 - Values between 0-255
    ***For more detailed instructions and supporting CVs, I encourage you to review the manual specific to the decoder being worked on.
    Chapters
    0:00 Intro
    0:52 Load Compensation
    2:52 3-Point Speed Curve
    4:52 Consisting and Speed Matching
    6:00 Distributed Power Consist
    8:04 Operations
    Track: "Keep Er Goin"
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  • @Kev5565
    @Kev5565 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You are a natural teacher, clear, thorough and interesting. This is the first time I've seen this explained and you make it sound easy, I didn't even know about load compensation.

    • @railfan220
      @railfan220  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks so much! I really appreciate it.
      -Cam

  • @peterainsworth8466
    @peterainsworth8466 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    That's one of the best and simplest explanations of load compensation I've seen. Thank you very much. I think I'll give it a try now. And i meant to compliment you on the snow sheds in a previous video. They are very good.

    • @railfan220
      @railfan220  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you! Much appreciated.
      -Cam

  • @Eclipse1988
    @Eclipse1988 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for showing this. Im not much of a tech person, and i dont have the equipment some of these guys have. Ive seen too many videos that advertise "the easy way to speed match" and it's all set up with Arduinos, laptops, and speed sensors and all this fancy crap. It's nice to see it possible with just a regular controller. Btw... That's a HELL of a train, and that Montana Rail Link is HOT!!!!

  • @FirstnameLastname-tp4zw
    @FirstnameLastname-tp4zw 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I knew a guy who told a guy that wrote in a book that i read i'd have very little seccess!?😂 When I get some time ill will be running an mu! Thank you, thank you, thank you🎉

  • @tonydavey3741
    @tonydavey3741 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi from the UK, you are a very talented and clever young man, you are building a superb layout there, respect

    • @railfan220
      @railfan220  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you very much! I appreciate it.
      -Cam

  • @greatnorthernrailwaytother4711
    @greatnorthernrailwaytother4711 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic tutorial, I continue to be amazed at the possibilities with DCC systems. Thanks for the very well presented video. Cheers Peter (Melbourne Australia)

  • @Andy-vv4lf
    @Andy-vv4lf 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Best one I have watched. That resistance CV has never been mentioned in other ones and makes a lot of sense. Curious your experience with matching different brands of locomotives and decoder’s. I’m having trouble between the scale trains and Athearn. For you or others, if one is engine is still faster than the other do you adjust both CV5 and CV6 or just one?

    • @railfan220
      @railfan220  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks! I don't have too much trouble speed matching between manufacturers. Honestly, the biggest trouble I've had is between ESU products. The V5 sound and non-sound decoders have load compensation that is adjustable. But, despite the CVs being listed in the manual, earlier versions of ESU decoders don't seem to be affected when you turn down load compensation.
      Generally, I'll just adjust CV 6 to find tune speeds between locomotives. I find that I'm usually not running the trains at full throttle even after the top speed adjustments I make, so moving the mid-point voltage (CV 6) up or down has the greatest influence on speed matching. Of course, if the top speeds seem WAY off between two locomotives after an initial round of programming, I'll change it too. But it's usually not that drastic.
      -Cam

  • @yourselfdotcom
    @yourselfdotcom 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow. As someone who setup locos for distributed power at the shops I can believe you actually took model trains to this level. Amazing!

  • @derekalexander4030
    @derekalexander4030 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for explaining the effects of load compensation on mu’d units.

  • @adampage8030
    @adampage8030 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for showing what you did to speed match & how to change the load compensation, this has been very helpful
    Cheers.

  • @tunsteadmoor
    @tunsteadmoor 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent explanation and clearly demonstrated.

  • @doug383
    @doug383 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Outstanding instructions !

  • @cncpgreatlakesdiv4896
    @cncpgreatlakesdiv4896 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    nice thx for sharing.😊😊👍👍

  • @RFMCabooseNP1713
    @RFMCabooseNP1713 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was great information. I tried it and it works very well. Thank you again for your great information.

  • @dgp2012
    @dgp2012 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow. What an informative video. I didn't know anything about load compensation CV before this. Thanks for the information and I'm going to try it with my fleet. Cheers!

    • @railfan220
      @railfan220  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! Hope it helps.
      -Cam

  • @Grainexpress
    @Grainexpress 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We were just talking about this subject a few days ago! Thanks for making this video. Added to my model railroad playlist!

    • @railfan220
      @railfan220  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Awesome! Good timing.
      -Cam

  • @not_tom_from_myspace8090
    @not_tom_from_myspace8090 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I literally never knew about load compensation D: this makes so much sense. Great video, as always!

  • @WarriorScholar22
    @WarriorScholar22 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very informative!

  • @Matt_Forcum
    @Matt_Forcum 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like to think you made this video specifically for me! Hehe. Thanks so much! This is a great help!

  • @LoneRanger5150
    @LoneRanger5150 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just like the real thing. The rear DP is usually running a notch or so faster than the lead consist 👍

  • @aledalgogu
    @aledalgogu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ¡Qué Maravilla!

  • @bcsferromodelismo3822
    @bcsferromodelismo3822 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🇧🇷🚂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
    Thank you very much!!
    Excellent video!!

  • @richardcolemanjr3749
    @richardcolemanjr3749 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good informative video but I wonder when DCC will get to the point where its just push one button and go. The RailPro system by Ring Engineering is cool. I guess to much is invested in DCC until the radio control patents expires.

  • @dennisbailey6067
    @dennisbailey6067 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The original Tsunami doesnt use CVs 5&6.And some brands may not use these in future.So using speed tables,CVs 66&95 can be used to adjust overall speed.But im not sure this is the answer for speed matching.

  • @randydobson1863
    @randydobson1863 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hello railfan220 it's is randy and i like yours video is cool thanks and super cool video railfan220 thanks friends randy

  • @jurgendietrichkeit2506
    @jurgendietrichkeit2506 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is good stuff, especially on the BEMF settings. Why is it, though that you are deviating from common practice that says with regards to CV2 that a loco should start crawling on speed step 1? Also: are you programming your locomotives "cold", this is without running them for a few minutes before setting the values?

    • @railfan220
      @railfan220  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! I generally do try to set CV2 so that it starts at speed step 1. It wasn't obvious that was the case in this video. But of course, once the locomotive has some load behind it, it will take more than speed step 1 to get moving. And in the case of these two locomotives, I did do a bit of running beforehand, but I generally don't break them in for too long. I bet it would be beneficial, yeah?
      -Cam

  • @mikeshorna3355
    @mikeshorna3355 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the info, I appreciate it. What values are you using for accel and decel? And do you adjust them as well?

    • @railfan220
      @railfan220  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks! I've messed around with using momentum before, but currently don't use it systematically. So if a locomotive comes from the factory with a fair bit of momentum, I'll set CV3 and CV4 to 0 or 1. Some decoders allow button-activated momentum, which is something that I would like to experiment with. But I'd probably only do that if I had decoders that were all the same type. There's too much variability in how momentum is defined from decoder to decoder for me to figure out.
      -Cam

    • @mikeshorna3355
      @mikeshorna3355 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@railfan220 thanks. Have a great weekend!

  • @samfirn495
    @samfirn495 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have you ever ran into a decoder? Where the CV Valu foods for the speed table are all 0. But the locomotive still runs normal?

  • @TitanMidMichiganRailfan
    @TitanMidMichiganRailfan หลายเดือนก่อน

    Should it be normal for me to have a very hard time trying to program a scale trains gevo to a Athearn genesis sd70m-2?????

  • @matthewroberts6028
    @matthewroberts6028 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How did you get your athearn genesis sd70 to have the dpu lighting setup similar to how scale trains has it?

    • @railfan220
      @railfan220  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I basically just set the headlight and rear headlight to be controlled by two separate functions and then enabled them to be on in either direction.
      I decided to set the rear light to be controlled by F9. Here are the CVs I changed to do that:
      - set CV31 to a value of 16
      - set CV32 to a value of 2
      - set CV278 to a value of 255
      - set CV258 to a value of 9
      Finally, you have to make sure that both headlights are capable of staying on when the locomotive is traveling in either direction. To do this:
      - set CV57 to a value of 3
      - set CV58 to a value of 3
      The information pertinent to the changes I made can be found in the Tsunami 2 manual on pages 28, 31, 55, and 56. Here's a link to that manual: soundtraxx.com/content/Reference/Manuals/Tsunami2/tsu2_diesel_usersguide.pdf
      Hope that helps!
      -Cam

    • @matthewroberts6028
      @matthewroberts6028 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@railfan220 Cam, thats cool. I have only ever seen people do this via advanced consisting in JMRI. Thanks for sharing. I like the scale trains DPU headlight settings for longer haul trains, but during operations, it can be annoying to jump between the rear and front locos to get the headlights reset for changing directions. Ill have to dig into this! Thanks!

  • @RussellCurtis-db8yn
    @RussellCurtis-db8yn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    👍🇦🇺

  • @norbertdx
    @norbertdx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    just curious, what's the longest train you've run?

    • @railfan220
      @railfan220  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't remember the exact number...but I think I've probably run something like a 60-70 car train before? That was a while ago, and I think I put all of the cars I owned into 1 train. But for operations, my trains are usually around 25 cars long.
      -Cam

  • @FlashJonesTrains
    @FlashJonesTrains 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey man thanks for this video. What you did makes a lot of sense and seems to work out.
    Did you do anything specific to match up your scaletrains engines? I've recently stepped into the world of playing with CVs and now speed matching. For the life of me I cannot understand why I can't get any of my st engines even close.
    I've tried: using the speed table on JMRI; I've tried using the start, mid, and high CVs; I even tried the forced straight linear speed table line, I turned bemf off, trims, accel/decel off; I spent nearly an entire day on just speed matching 4 different esu ST engines, and at the end I just had to walk away.
    Nothing I did worked, I watch many videos on what people have done and everything I copied either my engines wouldn't move till like speed step 25 or at speed step 1 moved way too fast.
    One thing I noticed was that when using the speed table on jmri speed steps 1 & 28 are locked/grayed out and cannot be moved.

  • @ohpoleez
    @ohpoleez 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm planning the same style layout, only with CP power..sultrans, potash, grain...racks...etc....lolIm done collecting...ready to start the layout here soon...

    • @railfan220
      @railfan220  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That sounds awesome! I'm a big fan of mainline CP railroading. Do you have a particular line you're modeling?
      -Cam