One thing he said that stood out to me “keys in your pocket scratching your gun” i dont know about anyone else but if my guns in my pocket its the ONLY thing in my pocket.
I just want to say thank you! Your videos make guns easy to understand for someone like me who loves guns,but doesn't know all the technical mumbo jumbo. you guys rock and are the first place I go for info. and btw thank you for your service to this country. I am forever in debt to you.
Bersa CC is my way to go for everyday carry. I'll sacrifice the si:ze for the reliability. Very comfortable, 8 +1, many safety features, fixed barrel, easy break down, very accurate. Doesn't have much of sights but its a point and shoot anyways and its a bit snappy! Oh not to mention its one of the cheapest pistols in this video. Go for reliability folks, its to protect you and your family!
Paul Harrel has a excellent video on .380 barrel length and ammo effectiveness. When you go from 2.5 inch to 3 inch, there is a considerable change in ammo performance.
+Mark Pelenytschka I skipped twice in the video and landed on Utilitarian both times... Not sure what the Universe is trying to tell me, but im listening.
I just want to thank the guy on the video for doing really great, informative videos. It is the second time I see you on a video and you do a great job explaining the various guns available. I am completely new to guns and you certainly give me enough information to go to a gun shop and buy at least one gun.
I own a Kahr cw380 and Bersa 380cc. Both great but I prefer the Bersa. Bersa reliable out of the box, more capacity and low cost. Fixed barrel very accurate and double action makes for a great weapon.
I have the Taurus tcp .380 and I love it. I put a bright fingernail polish on the sights to help. Carry it in my pocket all the time in a desantis size G3 with no scratches over 3 years.
Bersa Thunder Dual Tone. Load mine with Underwood .380 #145 102 grain Golden Sabre (1060 fps). Back up magazine Underwood .380 #729 Hardcast (1150 fps). Great fun on range day. Very accurate. 3.5" barrel. Sexy too. Excellent safety features. Single action and Double action. 7 + 1. Aluminum frame. Out the door for under $350. Bersa Thunder! Thank you for a great pocket gun review. Well done.
After extensive research and some handling and shooting, I decided on the Kahr CW380 as my pocket .380 of choice. It is hard to find, but is a great gun. It is reasonably priced (unlike the cringe-inducing price of the P380) with great features (like being +P capable) and a great trigger. I wouldn't waste the extra money on the extra features of a P380; an adjustable front sight, some fancy machining and a "match grade" barrel. None of those are of any practical use for a pocket gun - which is a backup/up close and personal gun. IMO a pocket .380 is not a range gun, or a target gun or fun to shoot - it's a pure defensive item. I highly recommend it, from my experience the CW380 is the best pocket sized .380 on the market, a nice combination of quality and price. Goodbye to my trusty old LCP with its horrible trigger and larger size.
I really like my Bersa Thunder 380, it is a high value, high quality firearm. When you are comparing 380 pistols at the gun store, ask the salesperson to explain the multiple safeties, hammer decocker and single action/double action features on the Bersas. I think those features make the Bersa an especially good choice for people new to concealed carry. Probably the main downside is that the gun is a little larger and heavier - but you can use a 9 rd magazine on most models.
As an owner of the Bersa Thunder .380, I have to say it is a phenomenal carry weapon. 100% reliability, easy to clean, easy to carry, and easy to stay on target. It still fits in a pants pocket, but not like the others. The wifes LCP 380 is much smaller and more suited for that, but the Bersa is no problem for pocket or IWB carry.
tkarlmann I was fortunate enough to have had all three available at the shop where I purchased mine. Really, it depends on how you plan to carry/use it. It was still very comfortable in hand, but of course a little thicker and heavier. It's features seemed about the same as my standard, other than the near double capacity. Part of me wishes that I had chosen the CC instead of the standard simply for the slightly smaller profile and the additional round capacity. Ultimately, I chose the standard because it fit my hand the best and having an easily accessible hammer was on the top of my list. It might be a little tough to pocket carry the Thunder Plus, but depending on your body shape, you could probably still carry it in a hip holster or inside waistband holster it. If going IWB, check out Alien Gear hoslters. Best, most comfortable holsters for IWB carry.
soundman502 I am a very small-framed person. Unfortunately, I tend to go-for-the-gun, and think "holster" as an afterthought. As you can tell, I'm new to CC. Well, I live in Illinois, so that's my excuse. (I can anticipate your reply -- there is NO excuse for living in Illinois! LOL).
tkarlmann I'm glad my neighbors to the west are finally getting their right to carry back. Here in Indiana we're an open or conceal carry state, and I enjoy the freedom of both depending on the occasion. The reason I bring that up though, is because how you plan to carry may greatly influence the type and size of pistol you'll choose. If you're going for concealed carry, then smaller profile is important (Bersa 380 CC would be perfect) because you not only have to consider the gun, but the thickness of the holster. Also, I'd recommend that any holster you get locks the gun in place, either with a strap or some kind of release. The last thing you need happening is for that gun to fall away from you. If you're going for open carry (pros and cons to that) then pistol size is a little less of a concern. I will always recommend concealed carry when legal/possible. Your pistol is your last resort and I believe is best effective when it's a complete surprise to your assailant. Sure, some people will take the sight of an armed person as a no trespass sign, but some people aren't interested in that at all. Either way, be well trained and well practiced. Don't carry until that gun is as natural to you as breathing. If you have to think about an action, practice more. Safety over security my friend will always be your strongest ally! Whichever way you go, I wish you the best!
soundman502 My spirits became dampened when I found out the process to obtain CC license in IL costs $650 -- not including the gun. However, I do agree with you on size of carry. I'm a small person, and I may be hampering my normal activities without the smallest possible gun for CC. (If I can ever save up enough $)
I have a Bersa .380 Thunder, my favorite thing about this gun is that it has an internal key safety lock as well as the usual slide lock. Was glad to hear the high marks in your book about it. Easy to CC also. Thanks for the, video, your store reminds me of the one near my home, where are you located?
Bersa thunder is pretty good, even better than the beretta cheetah, both in .380. The downsides are the external mechanism, too many safety features and the cost of mags.
I own half a dozen single action revolvers, but after having an intruder in my apartment, I think it's time to get a concealed carry gun. The Bersa Thunder is at the top of my list. I'm okay with a little mass, as a heavy gun with a light caliber like the .380 should make recoil manageable enough to have a realistic chance of getting shots on target when I'm freaking out. And even a gun as big as the Thunder will fit in the pocket of my blue jeans. My dad pocket carries one every day. The weight bothered him a bit at first, but he said he got used to it fairly quickly.
i actually got the regular Thunder 380 instead of the CC because I felt like the CC would be a little too easy to get slide bitten. I like the long tang of the regular models. Also I liked the sights a bit better
I have had horrible experiences with Taurus. My G2C would not return to battery after every single shot. Had to slap the back of the slide just to get it to go foreword. The slide sounded gritty and sandy (insides were clean as a whistle) so I sent it to Taurus. 8 weeks later they sent it back with a new guide rod spring and the problem was still there. I have heard great things about the tcp and know lots of people who love them but I understand why he badmouths Taurus.
Thanks for the great review of 380 pistol options. Ruger recently updated the LCP with compelling features; the LCP MAX ships with a 10 round magazine and a 12 round magazine is available. Size is very close to the original LCP.
going to reiterate, you left out Colt mustang pocketlite and my favorite Colt Mustang xsp. light recoil, great trigger, polycarbonate frame, and changeable sights.
I have the bodyguard. It is a very nice pocket gun and I use it most the summer due to wardrobe constraints. I did how ever put big dot sights on it as I have bifocals and without the dots on the sights, I have to tilt my head back to acquire the front post. Once I got the big dots on the gun, I could easily qualify with it. Of course, due to the short barrel, it ain't no target gun but it will do what it is intended for, up close and personal
Taurus tcp wins this comparison easy. Well under 300 dollars with 2 mags, holds open on the last round, comes in lots of finishes, lifetime warranty, great trigger, big easy for gloved hands trigger guard, stainless barrel. All these details somehow slipped his mind and as just quickly called it "poor" and git past it quickly because it's not his favorite or a Glock.
I have a Makarov in 380. excellent gun still inexpensive. Carried hammer down on a loaded chamber safty off. Since it has an inertial firing pin very safe to carry that way, no need to think about anything other than pulling the trigger once lined up..
I have the LCP, Keltec and the Bersa. The Bersa is by far the shooters choice of 380 if you want to go shooting. The LCP racks your hand pretty good as does the Keltec. But the LCP NEVER jams. The Bersa did a few times when it was new. The Keltec jams all the time, with cheap or expensive ammo. I dont think I would ever carry the Keltec just for dependabilty sake.
I looked at several before buying. I tried my son's LCP and decided on the Taurus TCP. Some of the early ones like the As Bs and Cs had issues. Mine is an E. It's very reliable and will shoot anything I put in it. At 21' I can shoot 2 1/2" groups. I like the last round lock-back and for $219 I don't think you can beat it.
My wife carries a Sig 238. It had recoil spring issues after about 200 rds and I swapped the factory for a 12lb Wolff and that took care of it. It is a sweet shooter. Colt Pony, Mustang or Mec-Gar mags are much cheaper than the 40+ Sig mags. The Mec-Gar we bought look identical to the Sig mags.
I bought the 280 Ruger LCP in 2009 and liked it so much that I bought another one in 2020 before they stop making them. I like the small size, light weight, reliability, accuracy, and the take down and easy to keep clean. You are getting a good little hand gun that can one day save your life.
Taurus TCP is as good or better than anything on your table. Now factor in the cost and it can't be beat. Made in the USA also. Spend some time with it and you'll see what I mean.
BrewCityRider I sometimes have the dreaded "double-feed" with mine. I'm looking for something else... And I've did ALL of the Internet mods. It's better, but not 100% reliable. It's a shame too, because I love it.
Thanks Eric. Because of this video, I have found my next gun purchase. The p238 is exactly what I've been looking for as a replacement for my lcp. I love my lcp but the biggest thing I hate about the lcp, the p238 fixes this with its single action trigger versus double action and the sights are 10 times better.
I bought a Ruger LCP for summer CCW (shorts, etc) It is a great little gun. It will be the only .380 that I will own. Prefer my KelTec P11 and my XD 40 subcompact. Believe it or not I like my PA63 9mm Makarov also.
I bought the kahr p380, had the Trijicon night sights and ct laser put on it. It is the nicest lightest gun and best looking. But guess what? I get ftf, fte, and stove pipes on it. Because I had these problems it makes it a horrible gun for ccw. The last thing you need for a last line of defense is a gun that is unreliable. I sent it to Kahr to fix it, and I'm still having problems with it. Really disappointing! The kahr pm9 on the other hand is one of the most reliable 9mm I have ever had. It has a lot of reviews, and people love it.
I've had nothing but success with my Taurus 738. I have put many rounds through it with hardly a single FTF or FTE. I used to be down on Taurus as much as anybody but this gun has changed my mind. For the $ and the class it plays in...the TCP is as good as it gets IMO.
He admits that he hasn't shot the TCP and he is basing his negativity on rumor of the Taurus brand. I am surprised he likes the Diamondback. There are more reviews of problems with the DB380 than any gun he looks at on the video. But, most people that are married to their Glocks might not realize the DB380 is not a true Glock design.
Taurus has always has bad reviews with semi autos. Some of it earned, a lot of it seemed to just catch the wave and ride it in. Taurus fans seem to love them and those that haven't had the chances to shoot one steer clear because or the reviews. I personally don't like Glock. That is just me and I jnowntheirngod pistols. But you're point about the Taurus is valid. Have one, shoot it often, never a glitch, a nice little shooter that is prove itself reliable.
Back in the early 80's a buddy and I went out shooting. I had a S&W .38 with 2" barrel and he had some type of Taurus, which I'd never heard of at the time. We figured it was a 'Saturday Night Special'. It was a semi-auto .38 or 9mm if I remember but I didn't really know much back then. Anyhow.... He filled his clip and pulled the trigger ONCE. With that one trigger pull he emptied the clip. FULLY AUTO. We assumed it was some kind of malfunction but it jammed way down the mag so he emptied it and said he was going to return it for repair. I don't remember if he ever did. Anyone else ever heard of this happening? People around us got in their cars and left because they thought we were gang-bangers with Uzi's or something. It was laughable!
Ron Happening I've heard of the same thing happening from people over-polishing the trigger groups in their Glocks. Did your buddy own a Dremel tool at the time? LOL
JC545X39 Actually, no, he was totally gun-illiterate and firing his Taurus for the first time. I think he got it from his father or uncle and had had it for years.
Eric, I think if you ever redid this video, a Walther PPK should be an honorable mention! I know its heavier, older, all metal ect, but I think alot of folks have them due to Bond alone :)
Personally I'd be a little leary of carrying baby 1911 cocked & locked in my pocket. I'd think it'd be too easy to get a peice of lint in front of the hammer.
+Earl Grey, my wife's Colt Mustang is a "honey I shrunk the Colt 1911 gun", but in .380. It works just like a real 1911 and is a very reliable gun and a hoot to shoot. Hers is the original, and Colt just came out again with the polymer version. You can carry it in one of those pocket holsters.
+icsheeple That's a smart idea, not only for the sake of keeping the gun unfouled, also nothing will get a cashier on edge like seeing your weapon while you are digging out change, it's a good plan all around
I carry the glock 42 with two back up mags loaded with hst 90 grain,with trijicon hd ns and i trully trully feel very safe and content,the g19 is a go to war gun,the g42 is a go to store gun.
Chris J. I strictly pick carried for almost a year and honestly felt comfortable and safe,its all practice and no skinny jeans when it comes to pocket carry.
Troy Truong Carefully with +p as only one gun I know dosent say don't shoot or warranty void ext,its the khar 380.Plus p...get it...dosent really add much more power,plus in 380 there's no standard so it's simply nicely put highly Illadvised. advised
In this video, this guy had the same problem with the Keltec PMR30. He says the first run was defective and had parts breaking. He had to demand a replacement gun. He still loves the new one though.
+R Kurtz In 2015 they were forced to recall nearly 1 million of their guns after a settlement in Carter vs. Taurus. Not that this fact makes them a bad company, as even big names like Remington have thrown crap at the market. But they're not perfect AT ALL.... www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/07/taurus_agrees_to_voluntary_rec.html guncarrier.com/the-taurus-pistol-recall/
I had a Taurus PT145 bought during the early years of Obama's first years in office. It couldn't properly cycle factory 45 ACP ammo, because the overall length was too long. With every single shot you had to wrestle the slide just to get it to get a round out of the magazine and into the chamber.
I would love to have a P238, they are nice looking guns and have great triggers. They were just out of my price range when I picked up the S&W. I don't know how I would feel about carrying a single action in my pocket though.
I think overall the selection shown was rather poor -- with many guns of the same model with only different colors were shown. Where is the Bersa Thunder Plus, Walther PPK, etc? I would not want a DA-only gun -- I like to hit what I'm aiming at. I would also like to hear comments on the defensive potential of a 16-round .380 as opposed to another higher caliber.
Pocket guns, not holster guns were featured here (E makes mention of that during the video) and he can't have every gun made present for the video. Shame that you can't hit with a DA.
pinkiewerewolf It was still a very poor selection -- I recall that different colors were highlighted of the same make and model. Still, overall a poor selection was shown -- I do not want DA-only guns. Hopefully you cando better next time -- I generally enjoy your videos. This one was poor.
@ tkarlmann I am not a basher at all and do not want all the negative replies that I will receive from this statement but, I don't really understand the whole "I think overall the selection shown was rather poor". The man showed, I believe, 14 different .380 models of ccw. I have close to 100 different firearms and can't get close to showing you 14 different .380 caliber pistols. He is just showing you his favorite manufacturers and models, not all available to be purchased. I think this was an excellent video on his personal perspective, that you have came here to learn from. You DID come to this link to get his personal recommendation, correct?
I have a "C" and I still had to polish the feed ramp to eliminate FTF issues. Since I did that, however, it has performed flawlessly. On the video he comments on the strange profile of the trigger guard - I'm personally glad it's oversized as it easily allows the use of gloves. It's a bit snappy will hurt the trigger finger without a glove.
I agree with his best pick, the kel tec. I've never had a fellow range shooter ask to "try" any of my guns before i purchased my kel tec. The standard reaction is how light it is and after hitting the 10 yard target they turn around with a huge smile and ask "how much?" One guy's wife demanded he buy her one that day.
~My favorite CCW in .380 ACP is my Sig P230. Yes, it's a bit bigger and heavier, but it's dead-on accurate within 10 meters. Easy headshots and therefore my most deadly handgun within 10 meters. ~The next favorite is my Glock 42. It's sweet shooting and accurate enough to get JOB ONE done nicely within 10 meters
I bought the Taurus TCP. The reliabilty is excellent. If you hear bad reports, those reports were from the earlier ones, which are fixed now It has some nice features that others don't. If the mag is removed, it still fires, which can be a very important thing to have. The slide locks back after last round.. If you buy one, make sure to get one with the serial number that ends in "C" (later model) It has a good trigger, and all for about $200.With great customer service and LIFETIME warranty.
Yes look at the serial number.Any serial number ending in A, is an early version of the Taurus TCP.I understand right now they are up to a C serial number. Hopefully by now all of the bugs related to this pistol have been corrected.It is a great pocket gun and offers the most features of all three.
It's is kind of a shame you didn't have a bodyguard 380 to show. I'm glad that you mentioned it though. I have had mine for a while now and it's been a great little pocket gun. I like the sights on it. The laser on mine was dead accurate right out of the box. And since it wasn't mentioned I'll also add that it has a manual safety and a slide stop. It also locks back on the last shot which isn't necessary in a pocket pistol but is still a convenient feature. Mine eats everything.
Great video as always Eric. One small suggestion for you and Barry when you do these comparisons would be to give some sort of retail price mention of what the low-end to the top-end would be at the time of making the videos.
I bought the Taurus TCP. USA made, reliabilty is excellent. If you hear bad reports, those reports were from the earlier ones, which are fixed now Has some nice features that others don't. If the mag is removed, itstill fires, which can be a very important thing to have. The slide locks back after last round.. If you buy one, make sure to get one with the serial number that ends in "C" (later model) It has a good trigger, and all for about $200.With great customer service and LIFETIME warranty
I have to agree with you about the keys. The only thing in my pocket is the pistol and the holster. The Bodyguard 380's trigger is similar to the LCP but just a tad lighter. While the long, heavy, DAO trigger isn't ideal, it's not a bad feature to have on these small pistols for added safety. They really aren't bad once you get used to it, and the Bodyguard's trigger has loosened up a lot. If you don't like the LCP's grip, try holding a Bodyguard 380 with the extension, it's more substantial.
You are the man. Thanks for sharing. I like all kel tecs but the one with me all times is the Kel Tec P32. Didn't have much of a luck with the LCP. The TCP is far better than the LCP (less snappy). Bersas are affordable and well made. Mine work great.
@iraqveteran8888 Thanks for taking the time to review these guns as well as giving your opinion about using something larger for personal carry. This video helps a lot towards my decision making.
I got the last generation of the LCP with a free laser sight added on for $219 it was dirt cheap since the LCP II was just out. Ive put several 100 rounds through it and never had a problem. I carry it every day and its small enough to even go for a run. I love it because it'seasy to shoot once you're used to it and extremely easy to carry concealed.
One thing he said that stood out to me “keys in your pocket scratching your gun” i dont know about anyone else but if my guns in my pocket its the ONLY thing in my pocket.
Aw man I shot my leg again getting my keys out.
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Ya and in 11 years he has not gotten any smarter .and does not support the gun community. He supports the manufacturers ...
Bersa Thunder .380. Not the smallest, but still a reliable gun.
My wife loves her Bersa.
Buying the plus version next month. i don't know if i want the combat sub variant but it sure looks sweet.
Kristian Martin how is it? I’m getting mine released to me in a few days
I just want to say thank you! Your videos make guns easy to understand for someone like me who loves guns,but doesn't know all the technical mumbo jumbo. you guys rock and are the first place I go for info. and btw thank you for your service to this country. I am forever in debt to you.
Time to update this whole test.
Need 2024 version
Bersa CC is my way to go for everyday carry. I'll sacrifice the si:ze for the reliability. Very comfortable, 8 +1, many safety features, fixed barrel, easy break down, very accurate. Doesn't have much of sights but its a point and shoot anyways and its a bit snappy! Oh not to mention its one of the cheapest pistols in this video. Go for reliability folks, its to protect you and your family!
I can vouch for the P238, had mine a year and half, it kicks ass
Paul Harrel has a excellent video on .380 barrel length and ammo effectiveness. When you go from 2.5 inch to 3 inch, there is a considerable change in ammo performance.
Sho me the bullets
Drank a shot for every time you said "utilitarian" and got pretty shitfaced
+Mark Pelenytschka I skipped twice in the video and landed on Utilitarian both times... Not sure what the Universe is trying to tell me, but im listening.
:-) did you start over?
***** No, none of the guns I saw on the table interested me. I don't like the little tiny ones.
*Thats what she said* I know, I know.
Kind of disappointed Eric never responded to this lmao
When Eric likes a word, he really likes a word. He does this in a lot of his videos. lol.
Lots of choices here. It would probably help if I knew how utilitarian these weapons are. You should mention that next time.
bk8100 hahahahaha
That is exactly what I said!?! 😆😂
I just want to thank the guy on the video for doing really great, informative videos. It is the second time I see you on a video and you do a great job explaining the various guns available.
I am completely new to guns and you certainly give me enough information to go to a gun shop and buy at least one gun.
I own a Kahr cw380 and Bersa 380cc. Both great but I prefer the Bersa. Bersa reliable out of the box, more capacity and low cost. Fixed barrel very accurate and double action makes for a great weapon.
I have the Taurus tcp .380 and I love it. I put a bright fingernail polish on the sights to help. Carry it in my pocket all the time in a desantis size G3 with no scratches over 3 years.
Are they utilitarian?
Jens Kjar every lcp I’ve shot even the lcp 2 they have feeding issues.
I have the Bodyguard .380, stinks that you didn't have one to feature. Wonderful EDC gun. - Great vid as usual!
Bersa Thunder Dual Tone. Load mine with Underwood .380 #145 102 grain Golden Sabre (1060 fps). Back up magazine Underwood .380 #729 Hardcast (1150 fps). Great fun on range day. Very accurate. 3.5" barrel. Sexy too. Excellent safety features. Single action and Double action. 7 + 1. Aluminum frame. Out the door for under $350. Bersa Thunder! Thank you for a great pocket gun review. Well done.
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Out of all the guns you discussed, I personally like the Kahr and Bersa the best. My bersa has over 2000 rounds with no ftf or fte.
After extensive research and some handling and shooting, I decided on the Kahr CW380 as my pocket .380 of choice. It is hard to find, but is a great gun. It is reasonably priced (unlike the cringe-inducing price of the P380) with great features (like being +P capable) and a great trigger. I wouldn't waste the extra money on the extra features of a P380; an adjustable front sight, some fancy machining and a "match grade" barrel. None of those are of any practical use for a pocket gun - which is a backup/up close and personal gun. IMO a pocket .380 is not a range gun, or a target gun or fun to shoot - it's a pure defensive item. I highly recommend it, from my experience the CW380 is the best pocket sized .380 on the market, a nice combination of quality and price. Goodbye to my trusty old LCP with its horrible trigger and larger size.
I really like my Bersa Thunder 380, it is a high value, high quality firearm. When you are comparing 380 pistols at the gun store, ask the salesperson to explain the multiple safeties, hammer decocker and single action/double action features on the Bersas. I think those features make the Bersa an especially good choice for people new to concealed carry. Probably the main downside is that the gun is a little larger and heavier - but you can use a 9 rd magazine on most models.
As an owner of the Bersa Thunder .380, I have to say it is a phenomenal carry weapon. 100% reliability, easy to clean, easy to carry, and easy to stay on target. It still fits in a pants pocket, but not like the others. The wifes LCP 380 is much smaller and more suited for that, but the Bersa is no problem for pocket or IWB carry.
Any thoughts regarding the Thunder Plus for CC?
tkarlmann I was fortunate enough to have had all three available at the shop where I purchased mine. Really, it depends on how you plan to carry/use it. It was still very comfortable in hand, but of course a little thicker and heavier. It's features seemed about the same as my standard, other than the near double capacity. Part of me wishes that I had chosen the CC instead of the standard simply for the slightly smaller profile and the additional round capacity. Ultimately, I chose the standard because it fit my hand the best and having an easily accessible hammer was on the top of my list.
It might be a little tough to pocket carry the Thunder Plus, but depending on your body shape, you could probably still carry it in a hip holster or inside waistband holster it. If going IWB, check out Alien Gear hoslters. Best, most comfortable holsters for IWB carry.
soundman502 I am a very small-framed person. Unfortunately, I tend to go-for-the-gun, and think "holster" as an afterthought. As you can tell, I'm new to CC. Well, I live in Illinois, so that's my excuse. (I can anticipate your reply -- there is NO excuse for living in Illinois! LOL).
tkarlmann I'm glad my neighbors to the west are finally getting their right to carry back. Here in Indiana we're an open or conceal carry state, and I enjoy the freedom of both depending on the occasion.
The reason I bring that up though, is because how you plan to carry may greatly influence the type and size of pistol you'll choose. If you're going for concealed carry, then smaller profile is important (Bersa 380 CC would be perfect) because you not only have to consider the gun, but the thickness of the holster. Also, I'd recommend that any holster you get locks the gun in place, either with a strap or some kind of release. The last thing you need happening is for that gun to fall away from you. If you're going for open carry (pros and cons to that) then pistol size is a little less of a concern.
I will always recommend concealed carry when legal/possible. Your pistol is your last resort and I believe is best effective when it's a complete surprise to your assailant. Sure, some people will take the sight of an armed person as a no trespass sign, but some people aren't interested in that at all.
Either way, be well trained and well practiced. Don't carry until that gun is as natural to you as breathing. If you have to think about an action, practice more. Safety over security my friend will always be your strongest ally!
Whichever way you go, I wish you the best!
soundman502 My spirits became dampened when I found out the process to obtain CC license in IL costs $650 -- not including the gun.
However, I do agree with you on size of carry. I'm a small person, and I may be hampering my normal activities without the smallest possible gun for CC. (If I can ever save up enough $)
I hope you do more of these in different calibers, gun sizes, and also include revolvers. Very informative!!
Awesome videos on this channel I defiantly love the variety and the immense amount of intelligent information presented great job Eric.
I have a Bersa .380 Thunder, my favorite thing about this gun is that it has an internal key safety lock as well as the usual slide lock. Was glad to hear the high marks in your book about it. Easy to CC also. Thanks for the, video, your store reminds me of the one near my home, where are you located?
Are those kel-tecs utilitarian?
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You guys keep one hell of an inventory at that place. Dig the videos, keep them coming guys!
Bersa thunder is pretty good, even better than the beretta cheetah, both in .380. The downsides are the external mechanism, too many safety features and the cost of mags.
I own half a dozen single action revolvers, but after having an intruder in my apartment, I think it's time to get a concealed carry gun. The Bersa Thunder is at the top of my list. I'm okay with a little mass, as a heavy gun with a light caliber like the .380 should make recoil manageable enough to have a realistic chance of getting shots on target when I'm freaking out.
And even a gun as big as the Thunder will fit in the pocket of my blue jeans. My dad pocket carries one every day. The weight bothered him a bit at first, but he said he got used to it fairly quickly.
I have the thunder plus, it is no problem to carry.
Another great video. Personally I have the Bersa Thunder CC but there are a lot of great choices. Thank you for showing a great variety options.
Damn no wonder why this seemed outdated, this video is 10 years old..lol ........but still a good 👍 video
SIG: lifetime warranty.
Kel-Tec: lifetime warranty.
Bersa: lifetime warranty.
Taurus: lifetime warranty.
Kahr: 5 year warranty.
Beretta: 1/3 year warranty.
Smith & Wesson: 1 year warranty.
Kimber: 1 year warranty.
Ruger: no warranty.
Ruger has life time warranty
Kahr has lifetime now. Mine does.
Watching in 2021. Look at all the available ammo in the background. Makes me wanna cry.
I just bought a bersa thunder 380....very utilitarian like!!!
I love them, but prefer the plus model myself. Fills my hand better and decent capacity.
I just bought the Bersa 380 cc and it is very easy to shoot, carry, breakdown and is accurate for a small gun.
i actually got the regular Thunder 380 instead of the CC because I felt like the CC would be a little too easy to get slide bitten. I like the long tang of the regular models. Also I liked the sights a bit better
I think more gun store owners should do videos like this. If I knew about the store I would be more confident when I go in.
don't be running down the TCP if you haven't shot it. More accurate than my LCP was with a better trigger and equally as reliable.
I have had horrible experiences with Taurus. My G2C would not return to battery after every single shot. Had to slap the back of the slide just to get it to go foreword. The slide sounded gritty and sandy (insides were clean as a whistle) so I sent it to Taurus. 8 weeks later they sent it back with a new guide rod spring and the problem was still there. I have heard great things about the tcp and know lots of people who love them but I understand why he badmouths Taurus.
Thanks for the great review of 380 pistol options. Ruger recently updated the LCP with compelling features; the LCP MAX ships with a 10 round magazine and a 12 round magazine is available. Size is very close to the original LCP.
I carry the LCP max daily.... I have a DeSantis holster, nobody ever knows it's there. Mine is the Cerakote version.
going to reiterate, you left out Colt mustang pocketlite and my favorite Colt Mustang xsp. light recoil, great trigger, polycarbonate frame, and changeable sights.
But is it......Utilitarian ?? 🤔
I have the bodyguard. It is a very nice pocket gun and I use it most the summer due to wardrobe constraints. I did how ever put big dot sights on it as I have bifocals and without the dots on the sights, I have to tilt my head back to acquire the front post. Once I got the big dots on the gun, I could easily qualify with it. Of course, due to the short barrel, it ain't no target gun but it will do what it is intended for, up close and personal
bersa 380 cc is awesome. I've put a least 700-800 rounds through mine. Not one issue.
I have the bersa. Sweet little pistol. Not too small to keep it accurate yet 100 percent reliable
Taurus tcp wins this comparison easy.
Well under 300 dollars with 2 mags, holds open on the last round, comes in lots of finishes, lifetime warranty, great trigger, big easy for gloved hands trigger guard, stainless barrel. All these details somehow slipped his mind and as just quickly called it "poor" and git past it quickly because it's not his favorite or a Glock.
TheLaw OnGuns I agree. I gave $219 for mine and it has been perfect. Shoots any brand ammo you put in it.
I have a Makarov in 380. excellent gun still inexpensive. Carried hammer down on a loaded chamber safty off. Since it has an inertial firing pin very safe to carry that way, no need to think about anything other than pulling the trigger once lined up..
So, thank you for the utilitarian review, I love it when things are so utilitarian that you can continuously say utilitarian.
I have the LCP, Keltec and the Bersa. The Bersa is by far the shooters choice of 380 if you want to go shooting. The LCP racks your hand pretty good as does the Keltec. But the LCP NEVER jams. The Bersa did a few times when it was new. The Keltec jams all the time, with cheap or expensive ammo. I dont think I would ever carry the Keltec just for dependabilty sake.
I own the Taurus .380 have fired around 500 rounds through. Never had a misfeed or any malfunction. Only cleaned it once. Pretty reliable so far.
I looked at several before buying. I tried my son's LCP and decided on the Taurus TCP. Some of the early ones like the As Bs and Cs had issues. Mine is an E. It's very reliable and will shoot anything I put in it. At 21' I can shoot 2 1/2" groups. I like the last round lock-back and for $219 I don't think you can beat it.
Hmmm, Ask a guy with a .380 slug in his center mass if it was effective!
My wife carries a Sig 238. It had recoil spring issues after about 200 rds and I swapped the factory for a 12lb Wolff and that took care of it. It is a sweet shooter. Colt Pony, Mustang or Mec-Gar mags are much cheaper than the 40+ Sig mags. The Mec-Gar we bought look identical to the Sig mags.
my colt mustang xsp is what I carry everyday and even in my house.
I bought the 280 Ruger LCP in 2009 and liked it so much that I bought another one in 2020 before they stop making them. I like the small size, light weight, reliability, accuracy, and the take down and easy to keep clean. You are getting a good little hand gun that can one day save your life.
Taurus TCP is as good or better than anything on your table. Now factor in the cost and it can't be beat. Made in the USA also. Spend some time with it and you'll see what I mean.
BrewCityRider I sometimes have the dreaded "double-feed" with mine. I'm looking for something else... And I've did ALL of the Internet mods. It's better, but not 100% reliable. It's a shame too, because I love it.
right on. I found one Walther TPH at a gun show. The price was astronomical for a .22 pocket pistol, but it was a Walther and rare.
the sig's are beautys :-)
Thanks Eric. Because of this video, I have found my next gun purchase. The p238 is exactly what I've been looking for as a replacement for my lcp. I love my lcp but the biggest thing I hate about the lcp, the p238 fixes this with its single action trigger versus double action and the sights are 10 times better.
No BS, I have approximately 200 guns. When "hiding is a issue", My EDC, is the p238. (It's small, and conceals on the ankle very nicely).
@@jackdundon2261 10 years later I still have and EDC the same one. Still love it.
@@MrGiXxEr cool. Thanks for the information.
Moss pawn drinking game. Take a shot everytime he says "great" "package" or "utilitarian".
I bought a Ruger LCP for summer CCW (shorts, etc) It is a great little gun. It will be the only .380 that I will own. Prefer my KelTec P11 and my XD 40 subcompact. Believe it or not I like my PA63 9mm Makarov also.
I bought the kahr p380, had the Trijicon night sights and ct laser put on it. It is the nicest lightest gun and best looking. But guess what? I get ftf, fte, and stove pipes on it. Because I had these problems it makes it a horrible gun for ccw. The last thing you need for a last line of defense is a gun that is unreliable. I sent it to Kahr to fix it, and I'm still having problems with it. Really disappointing!
The kahr pm9 on the other hand is one of the most reliable 9mm I have ever had. It has a lot of reviews, and people love it.
I've had nothing but success with my Taurus 738. I have put many rounds through it with hardly a single FTF or FTE. I used to be down on Taurus as much as anybody but this gun has changed my mind. For the $ and the class it plays in...the TCP is as good as it gets IMO.
don't rule out Bersa Thunder 380, just mho
Yep. The Bersa Thunder .380 is a great gun. Especially for the money. I've got the duo tone model with rubber grips. Beautiful gun.
Great video. Thank you.
lemme guess....the next gun is good for utilitarian use.
I appreciate your reviews as I feel they are honest and non biased. Keep up the good work.
Why don't you like the Taurus TCP? Your video here is the first time I've heard an industry professional talking down about it.
He admits that he hasn't shot the TCP and he is basing his negativity on rumor of the Taurus brand. I am surprised he likes the Diamondback. There are more reviews of problems with the DB380 than any gun he looks at on the video. But, most people that are married to their Glocks might not realize the DB380 is not a true Glock design.
Taurus has always has bad reviews with semi autos. Some of it earned, a lot of it seemed to just catch the wave and ride it in. Taurus fans seem to love them and those that haven't had the chances to shoot one steer clear because or the reviews. I personally don't like Glock. That is just me and I jnowntheirngod pistols. But you're point about the Taurus is valid. Have one, shoot it often, never a glitch, a nice little shooter that is prove itself reliable.
Back in the early 80's a buddy and I went out shooting. I had a S&W .38 with 2" barrel and he had some type of Taurus, which I'd never heard of at the time. We figured it was a 'Saturday Night Special'. It was a semi-auto .38 or 9mm if I remember but I didn't really know much back then.
Anyhow.... He filled his clip and pulled the trigger ONCE. With that one trigger pull he emptied the clip. FULLY AUTO. We assumed it was some kind of malfunction but it jammed way down the mag so he emptied it and said he was going to return it for repair. I don't remember if he ever did.
Anyone else ever heard of this happening? People around us got in their cars and left because they thought we were gang-bangers with Uzi's or something. It was laughable!
Ron Happening
I've heard of the same thing happening from people over-polishing the trigger groups in their Glocks. Did your buddy own a Dremel tool at the time? LOL
JC545X39 Actually, no, he was totally gun-illiterate and firing his Taurus for the first time. I think he got it from his father or uncle and had had it for years.
Eric, I think if you ever redid this video, a Walther PPK should be an honorable mention! I know its heavier, older, all metal ect, but I think alot of folks have them due to Bond alone :)
He forgot the Smith & Wesson bodyguard. Which is probably better than all these.
+Eric Copani better than sigp238 and the other high ends ones? thats funny
+Eric Copani bodyguard is worst gun! the trigger........better to use my fists
+Dodge Mustang the second one was the LCP not the Bodygaurd
+Eric Copani b0dyguard wasnt even made yet at the time of this video
2ndAmendment 4EVR the M&P Bodygaurd was not but the original Bodygaurd was
I have the bersa and love it - totally reliable and well made for the price
I'm looking to buy the versa I already have the taruas
@XBZ9 Wait, why is it a joke? My close friend has one and never had an issue with it. They are expensive, but well made.
Personally I'd be a little leary of carrying baby 1911 cocked & locked in my pocket. I'd think it'd be too easy to get a peice of lint in front of the hammer.
+Earl Grey, my wife's Colt Mustang is a "honey I shrunk the Colt 1911 gun", but in .380. It works just like a real 1911 and is a very reliable gun and a hoot to shoot. Hers is the original, and Colt just came out again with the polymer version. You can carry it in one of those pocket holsters.
+Earl Grey When I pocket carry, I dedicate the whole pocket to the gun. But a mini 1911 looks sweet.
+icsheeple That's a smart idea, not only for the sake of keeping the gun unfouled, also nothing will get a cashier on edge like seeing your weapon while you are digging out change, it's a good plan all around
Fantastic, thanks for taking the time and the extra notes.
Bersa Thunder CC Tactical 💥💥💥
I love how he calls the Taurus a poor copy of the Kel-Tec but then list all the great features it has
I carry the glock 42 with two back up mags loaded with hst 90 grain,with trijicon hd ns and i trully trully feel very safe and content,the g19 is a go to war gun,the g42 is a go to store gun.
Ya....I'm thinkin about goin over to a Glock 42 next summer.
What's your personal opinion on the 380 stopping power?
I cc my g42 everyday! U must get the Lehigh Defense +P or Underwood Extreme +P. This special bullet is as powerful as the 9mm.
Chris J. U cant and shouldnt pocket carry! U cant draw fast enough from inside your pocket.
Chris J. I strictly pick carried for almost a year and honestly felt comfortable and safe,its all practice and no skinny jeans when it comes to pocket carry.
Troy Truong Carefully with +p as only one gun I know dosent say don't shoot or warranty void ext,its the khar 380.Plus p...get it...dosent really add much more power,plus in 380 there's no standard so it's simply nicely put highly Illadvised. advised
In this video, this guy had the same problem with the Keltec PMR30. He says the first run was defective and had parts breaking. He had to demand a replacement gun. He still loves the new one though.
everyone HEARS of problems with Taurus. Nobody HAS problems with them.
+R Kurtz my taurus tcp was a pile of crap. I got it running and traded it off.
+Josh Johnson riiiiiiight. Let me guess you bought a glock
nope ruger lcr and a couple different m and p's. I got a Taurus 1911 that runs like a top. Just had bad luck with my tcp.
+R Kurtz In 2015 they were forced to recall nearly 1 million of their guns after a settlement in Carter vs. Taurus. Not that this fact makes them a bad company, as even big names like Remington have thrown crap at the market. But they're not perfect AT ALL....
www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/07/taurus_agrees_to_voluntary_rec.html
guncarrier.com/the-taurus-pistol-recall/
I had a Taurus PT145 bought during the early years of Obama's first years in office. It couldn't properly cycle factory 45 ACP ammo, because the overall length was too long. With every single shot you had to wrestle the slide just to get it to get a round out of the magazine and into the chamber.
I would love to have a P238, they are nice looking guns and have great triggers. They were just out of my price range when I picked up the S&W. I don't know how I would feel about carrying a single action in my pocket though.
Bersa Thunder plus is my dream cc gun. If only it weren't impossible to find.
Got mine off cheaperthandirt.com
$369 in stainless
I love mine, small enough for conceal carry, but big enough to shoot comfortably and 15 rounds
I own the Taurus, never a failure to feed or eject. Great trigger, completely reliable and accurate.
I think overall the selection shown was rather poor -- with many guns of the same model with only different colors were shown. Where is the Bersa Thunder Plus, Walther PPK, etc? I would not want a DA-only gun -- I like to hit what I'm aiming at.
I would also like to hear comments on the defensive potential of a 16-round .380 as opposed to another higher caliber.
Pocket guns, not holster guns were featured here (E makes mention of that during the video) and he can't have every gun made present for the video.
Shame that you can't hit with a DA.
pinkiewerewolf It was still a very poor selection -- I recall that different colors were highlighted of the same make and model. Still, overall a poor selection was shown -- I do not want DA-only guns. Hopefully you cando better next time -- I generally enjoy your videos. This one was poor.
tkarlmann I'm sure that since the video was made in 2011 he has lost a lot of sleep over it. LOL
Clearly the problem here isnt that his selection is poor its that youre watching the wrong video.
@ tkarlmann I am not a basher at all and do not want all the negative replies that I will receive from this statement but, I don't really understand the whole "I think overall the selection shown was rather poor". The man showed, I believe, 14 different .380 models of ccw. I have close to 100 different firearms and can't get close to showing you 14 different .380 caliber pistols. He is just showing you his favorite manufacturers and models, not all available to be purchased. I think this was an excellent video on his personal perspective, that you have came here to learn from. You DID come to this link to get his personal recommendation, correct?
I have a "C" and I still had to polish the feed ramp to eliminate FTF issues. Since I did that, however, it has performed flawlessly. On the video he comments on the strange profile of the trigger guard - I'm personally glad it's oversized as it easily allows the use of gloves. It's a bit snappy will hurt the trigger finger without a glove.
he says utilitarian a lot lol
Turn it into a drinking game. Every time he say Utilitarian take a drink/Shot. bet you get fucked up.
yea - what does that mean
i have the bersa 380 combat..great gun. fun to shoot.
why do people care about how a gun looks? its a tool to take a human life in an emergency situation, not a pair of shoes.
Excellent observation, Sir.
If you're going to take a man's life, you at least owe him the common decency of shooting him with an attractive gun. :)
lol. yep!
With that mindset, we should all be driving an AMC Pacer.
If one is going to shoot, shoot with style, if one is going to get shot, die with style.
I agree with his best pick, the kel tec. I've never had a fellow range shooter ask to "try" any of my guns before i purchased my kel tec. The standard reaction is how light it is and after hitting the 10 yard target they turn around with a huge smile and ask "how much?" One guy's wife demanded he buy her one that day.
What? No S&W Bodyguard?
Yea & No G42 either.....
SRV is king
ThePrissyMommyLife this video is 4 years old...
~My favorite CCW in .380 ACP is my Sig P230. Yes, it's a bit bigger and heavier, but it's dead-on accurate within 10 meters. Easy headshots and therefore my most deadly handgun within 10 meters.
~The next favorite is my Glock 42. It's sweet shooting and accurate enough to get JOB ONE done nicely within 10 meters
No offense but i did not see anything but junk
you think the sig 238 is junk? lmao
+O4 HEMI I kinda over spoke there were a few really nice guns including the 238/sorry
+O4 HEMI No such thing as a junk Sig. Probably the best small arms overall. A little more expensive, but you get what you pay for.
Eatmyskids i wouldn't say all sigs deserve the name lol p250 is just one example
O4 HEMI Well every family has their drunk uncle, the p250 is that drunk uncle. You're right, have a Happy Thanksgiving
I bought the Taurus TCP. The reliabilty is excellent. If you hear bad reports, those reports were from the earlier ones, which are fixed now
It has some nice features that others don't. If the mag is removed, it still fires, which can be a very important thing to have. The slide locks back after last round.. If you buy one, make sure to get one with the serial number that ends in "C" (later model) It has a good trigger, and all for about $200.With great customer service and LIFETIME warranty.
Kahr is overpriced, unreliable crap. Kel-tec is reasonably priced, unreliable, fragile crap.
sounds like they are both right up your alley then, jackass
Shantra Mulani Sounds like your butt is hurt. Don't get mad at me because you bought a shitty gun and invested your fragile ego in it.
No problem carrying a Bersa .380cc in my front pocket using a sleeve. Fixed barrel and very accurate. Don't discount a fixed barrel in your choices.
Yes look at the serial number.Any serial number ending in A, is an early version of the Taurus TCP.I understand right now they are up to a C serial number.
Hopefully by now all of the bugs related to this pistol have been corrected.It is a great pocket gun and offers the most features of all three.
It's is kind of a shame you didn't have a bodyguard 380 to show. I'm glad that you mentioned it though. I have had mine for a while now and it's been a great little pocket gun. I like the sights on it. The laser on mine was dead accurate right out of the box. And since it wasn't mentioned I'll also add that it has a manual safety and a slide stop. It also locks back on the last shot which isn't necessary in a pocket pistol but is still a convenient feature. Mine eats everything.
Great video as always Eric. One small suggestion for you and Barry when you do these comparisons would be to give some sort of retail price mention of what the low-end to the top-end would be at the time of making the videos.
I bought the Taurus TCP. USA made, reliabilty is excellent. If you hear bad reports, those reports were from the earlier ones, which are fixed now
Has some nice features that others don't. If the mag is removed, itstill fires, which can be a very important thing to have. The slide locks back after last round.. If you buy one, make sure to get one with the serial number that ends in "C" (later model) It has a good trigger, and all for about $200.With great customer service and LIFETIME warranty
Eric, very nice presentation. Excellent sampling of small concealed carry weapons.
I have to agree with you about the keys. The only thing in my pocket is the pistol and the holster. The Bodyguard 380's trigger is similar to the LCP but just a tad lighter. While the long, heavy, DAO trigger isn't ideal, it's not a bad feature to have on these small pistols for added safety. They really aren't bad once you get used to it, and the Bodyguard's trigger has loosened up a lot. If you don't like the LCP's grip, try holding a Bodyguard 380 with the extension, it's more substantial.
You are the man. Thanks for sharing. I like all kel tecs but the one with me all times is the Kel Tec P32. Didn't have much of a luck with the LCP. The TCP is far better than the LCP (less snappy). Bersas are affordable and well made. Mine work great.
@iraqveteran8888 Thanks for taking the time to review these guns as well as giving your opinion about using something larger for personal carry. This video helps a lot towards my decision making.
Would love to see an updated version of this. I watched this multiple before picking the Kimber micro carry.
I got the last generation of the LCP with a free laser sight added on for $219 it was dirt cheap since the LCP II was just out. Ive put several 100 rounds through it and never had a problem. I carry it every day and its small enough to even go for a run. I love it because it'seasy to shoot once you're used to it and extremely easy to carry concealed.
Nice video. You should do more like this in different calibers and functionality. Don't stop at 9mm.
Great video. Lots of interesting info on .380's in one video.
Good job.