Tough to compare them with 3 different people throwing them. Why wouldn't you have one person throwing all three so we can actually see the difference?
Two different discs, could easily bag both. The sexybird is meant to be an understable version of the firebird, whereas caprap is meant to be an overstable version of the raptor.
I dont mind the 3 people. But I would have prefered if you did something like that to each throw all 3 discs. So we can see how each person threw each disc. Its really hard to compare and get info when each person throws so different.
Fun video as usual guys. But man, next time you're gonna beat up a disc on purpose please throw them into those indestructible concrete pads rather than the poor tree. I know it's to be expected that trees get beat up on a course, but no need to add that extra damage, especially when doing so at point blank range as hard as you can.
Luke - have you moved back to Georgia or something? I believe starting around the Christmas videos until now, it seems like none of them have been back in Maine. Just curious.
I don't know if it'll help, but I use to deal with elbow pain a lot on forehands. For me keeping my elbow in close to my hip and when rotating has added a lot of power and drastically reduced pain. I think swinging your arm to far from your body and being out of sink during rotation is what causes the pain. At least for me, hope that helps!
Kind of a dumb comparison since the Sexton Firebird is supposed to be a bit straighter version of a Firebird and the Captains Raptor is supposed to be a more overstable version of a Raptor. It is great that you've got the Felon here as a comparison tho, I really like it.
You can also just get a regular ESP Raptor where the flight is similar to that Sexton Firebird. C.Raptor is more over stable then regular Raptor while the Sexton is more understandable compared to a regular Firebird. Like the exact opposite.
You elbow problem is because you use too much arm and need to focus on allowing your wrist to do more of the flicking. In a forehand the wrist should do more of the work because the momentum of the disc keeps it cocked as you pull forward and then your arm should almost stop allowing the forward momentum to roll the disc off your fingers creating the spin of the disc for more distance
To compare a Felon and CapRap you should go with a lucid x felon. That would be more comparable in plastic, stability & durability but still cheaper than the other options.
I love little mulberry park what a great course! For your elbow issue try using a compression sleeve with gel pads for added pressure on your tendons. I have the same issue and it helps me out.
Like the channel but can’t really get into this review. Three different people throwing different ways cannot give a reliable comparison. Different angles, hight, power, and technique impact disc flight. Explanations on why/how different throws still offered good comparison were to much a stretch.
The forehand elbow issue is definitely a form issue. Just make sure you move your body in the correct steps to resemble a sling. Working from back to front, it’s hard to explain by typing but I hope this helps a bit .
Keeping your elbow tucked to your side causes strain on the elbow because it forces it to rotate in a direction it's not supposed to. Extended your arm more so you use more of the shoulder.
Why use the sexton firebird? The glow plastic is meant to be not as stable as a champion flattop firebird. That would likely be a better match up to the captains raptor.
I bag all three. The sexy firebird is an incredible forehand disc for anyone with medium power and up. It flies dead straight then comes out smoothly. I can't throw the Cap Rap hard enough to make it pop up to straight which is just what you want on several holes at Little Mulberry. Great for flex lines. Ricky's Orbit Felon is great and still cheaper than either of the others. Similar to the sexy firebird but with a stronger finish and slightly less glide.
I’ve had the same problem with my elbow when throwing sidearm much since that tombstone video I made over on Instagram. :) I deal with it by working more on my backhand.
If you want a Firebird + a Sexton Firebird flights BUT don't want to go broke buying them or trying to find replacements, give the Fuzion + Fuzion-X Felons a try. The Fuzion-X is an absolute meathook compared to the Fuzion one.
Cool comparison. Is it really necessary to take it out on the same tree 15 times? I get as frustrated as the next guy when I nail a tree, but IMO this is a bit ridiculous and arguably course abuse.
If you lean over more you will have a throwing style more similar to what Scott Stokely talks about. I throw forehand hard a lot and as far as durability goes, it's about putting your body in the most natural position to make the throw. I'm also throwing especially hard because I'm at high altitude 7000 feet so the only way I can prevent injury while throwing hard all the time is to have a somewhat "proper" form in place
don’t even have to watch this. these discs are night and day from the plastic to the mold. sexton firebirds were made for Nate to be a little straighter but still have a predictable finish. the better comparison would have been a champion faf firebird. similar plastic, similar over aggressive fade.
I think to understand the captains raptor you need to watch Uli's video with Eric Oakley. That explains why it is different from a traditional overstable fairway (beefy at slow speed, straighter at fast speed). Also the sexton firebird is a LESS stable version of a firebird so more just comparison would be firebird->captains raptor
Elbow: i'm struggling with the same thing, but it's gotten so bad I haven't been able to throw at all for 4 months. DON'T PUSH IT. Stop throwing forehands for a minute and let it heal. But then, throw from below your waste, you're release is super high (like mine was) if you watch the pros, the disc is coming our at their knees.
3 different throwers.... this was about a worthless video for learning anything.... ya'll should redo this better.... including the durability. Glancing blows cause diff damage....
I bag ‘21 Sexton Firebird and Z Raptor and love the combo. Raptor is flat and WAY more OS. The SexyBird is domey, flips to flat, and bombs with a strong fade at the end. Would love to throw a CapRap but can’t see myself rushing to buy one with my current bag setup (they’re also extremely hard to get here in Australia 🇦🇺)
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Tough to compare them with 3 different people throwing them. Why wouldn't you have one person throwing all three so we can actually see the difference?
exactly! you cannot call the disc a "control" if three different people are throwing three different discs. Thats just pointless!
Two different discs, could easily bag both. The sexybird is meant to be an understable version of the firebird, whereas caprap is meant to be an overstable version of the raptor.
Perfectly said, I bag both for this reason
"Overthrow Disc Golf fixes our form" hopefully a video title in the future :)
I dont mind the 3 people. But I would have prefered if you did something like that to each throw all 3 discs. So we can see how each person threw each disc. Its really hard to compare and get info when each person throws so different.
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Hey guys , please do some lat 64 discs comparisons
Love the new channel
Fun video as usual guys. But man, next time you're gonna beat up a disc on purpose please throw them into those indestructible concrete pads rather than the poor tree. I know it's to be expected that trees get beat up on a course, but no need to add that extra damage, especially when doing so at point blank range as hard as you can.
Yea we don’t want the tree to fall over
Luke - have you moved back to Georgia or something? I believe starting around the Christmas videos until now, it seems like none of them have been back in Maine. Just curious.
I don't know if it'll help, but I use to deal with elbow pain a lot on forehands. For me keeping my elbow in close to my hip and when rotating has added a lot of power and drastically reduced pain. I think swinging your arm to far from your body and being out of sink during rotation is what causes the pain. At least for me, hope that helps!
Kind of a dumb comparison since the Sexton Firebird is supposed to be a bit straighter version of a Firebird and the Captains Raptor is supposed to be a more overstable version of a Raptor. It is great that you've got the Felon here as a comparison tho, I really like it.
The Felon has become my favorite disc, cool to see it in comparison to some discs I might not buy otherwise
You can also just get a regular ESP Raptor where the flight is similar to that Sexton Firebird. C.Raptor is more over stable then regular Raptor while the Sexton is more understandable compared to a regular Firebird.
Like the exact opposite.
You elbow problem is because you use too much arm and need to focus on allowing your wrist to do more of the flicking. In a forehand the wrist should do more of the work because the momentum of the disc keeps it cocked as you pull forward and then your arm should almost stop allowing the forward momentum to roll the disc off your fingers creating the spin of the disc for more distance
To compare a Felon and CapRap you should go with a lucid x felon. That would be more comparable in plastic, stability & durability but still cheaper than the other options.
I love little mulberry park what a great course! For your elbow issue try using a compression sleeve with gel pads for added pressure on your tendons. I have the same issue and it helps me out.
Like the channel but can’t really get into this review. Three different people throwing different ways cannot give a reliable comparison. Different angles, hight, power, and technique impact disc flight. Explanations on why/how different throws still offered good comparison were to much a stretch.
Do a review of the L 64 orbit bolt.. it's a sick disc
The forehand elbow issue is definitely a form issue. Just make sure you move your body in the correct steps to resemble a sling. Working from back to front, it’s hard to explain by typing but I hope this helps a bit .
This was a great video, the cap rap feels great.
Keeping your elbow tucked to your side causes strain on the elbow because it forces it to rotate in a direction it's not supposed to. Extended your arm more so you use more of the shoulder.
Sexybird is a straighter firebird and a captain raptor is a more stable raptor, kind of two different disc slots and could both go in the bag
Love the content. I think an aviar vs other companies' aviar-like molds would be a fantastic comparison.
Cap Rap has been the best disc I have added to my bag over the last year.
Lead with elbow on forehand. You’re putting too much pressure on your elbow with the hand leading. Hope it helps!
Why use the sexton firebird? The glow plastic is meant to be not as stable as a champion flattop firebird. That would likely be a better match up to the captains raptor.
Would love to see a PekaPeka vs Heat vs Roadrunner video.
Captain’s Raptor is the BEST forehand disc
I just recently chunked my first firebird into a lake would love to get a new one especially by my favorite youtubers
I bag all three. The sexy firebird is an incredible forehand disc for anyone with medium power and up. It flies dead straight then comes out smoothly. I can't throw the Cap Rap hard enough to make it pop up to straight which is just what you want on several holes at Little Mulberry. Great for flex lines. Ricky's Orbit Felon is great and still cheaper than either of the others. Similar to the sexy firebird but with a stronger finish and slightly less glide.
I’ve had the same problem with my elbow when throwing sidearm much since that tombstone video I made over on Instagram. :) I deal with it by working more on my backhand.
No driving over the discs this time? I can't help but guessing that was for Bergs only 😀
If you want a Firebird + a Sexton Firebird flights BUT don't want to go broke buying them or trying to find replacements, give the Fuzion + Fuzion-X Felons a try. The Fuzion-X is an absolute meathook compared to the Fuzion one.
Two very different discs. Sexton firebird is a less stable firebird and the captains raptor is a more stable raptor.
Cool comparison. Is it really necessary to take it out on the same tree 15 times? I get as frustrated as the next guy when I nail a tree, but IMO this is a bit ridiculous and arguably course abuse.
Totally agree
Some ibuprofen usually does the trick for elbow pain
I'll take option 3. Discraft ESP Predator.
Never thrown a firebird. Love raptor but it would be interesting to try a sexton firebird
If you lean over more you will have a throwing style more similar to what Scott Stokely talks about. I throw forehand hard a lot and as far as durability goes, it's about putting your body in the most natural position to make the throw. I'm also throwing especially hard because I'm at high altitude 7000 feet so the only way I can prevent injury while throwing hard all the time is to have a somewhat "proper" form in place
great video guys keep it up.
don’t even have to watch this. these discs are night and day from the plastic to the mold. sexton firebirds were made for Nate to be a little straighter but still have a predictable finish. the better comparison would have been a champion faf firebird. similar plastic, similar over aggressive fade.
I think to understand the captains raptor you need to watch Uli's video with Eric Oakley. That explains why it is different from a traditional overstable fairway (beefy at slow speed, straighter at fast speed). Also the sexton firebird is a LESS stable version of a firebird so more just comparison would be firebird->captains raptor
Those 21 sexton firebirds are definitely not super overstable.
Where’s the Facebook post :)
Just went up! I apologize I had it scheduled but the app we use to schedule didn’t work!
@@SwankyDiscReviews not a problem, thanks guys!
Wish you had a champ firebird.
Stop hurting trees :'(
2021 Sexton is the straightest run by far
Search "Disc Golf Strong elbow" right here on TH-cam! He's got some good videos about stretches and exercises for the elbow that have really helped me
nice hat! lets go heat
Can’t compare with three different people:/ much less three different shots…
Please stop throwing discs into the trees of Mulberry to test discs toughness…
Haha I don’t think we have the arm speed to damage the trees
Ty get outta here 😂
Can’t find a sexton firebird? Don’t want to spend the money for a sexton firebird? The peoples firebird is the G star firebird all day!
Throw lightweight your elbow won't hurt trust me
Not a good comparison at all...
Elbow: i'm struggling with the same thing, but it's gotten so bad I haven't been able to throw at all for 4 months. DON'T PUSH IT. Stop throwing forehands for a minute and let it heal. But then, throw from below your waste, you're release is super high (like mine was) if you watch the pros, the disc is coming our at their knees.
Thanks for the tip!
sexton all day... not even a question
Tennis elbow. Look it up on the internet and get it dealt with. Can become a chronic issue!
Way to beefy for me!
You're hurting yourself because you're form is not clean. You need to use your legs more and not just your arm.
Why are you even comparing these discs? None of these serve the same purpose... not to mention you throw like hot garbage
3 different throwers.... this was about a worthless video for learning anything.... ya'll should redo this better.... including the durability. Glancing blows cause diff damage....
First dislike. Kinda bummed. You should’ve just posted to Facebook.
I bag ‘21 Sexton Firebird and Z Raptor and love the combo. Raptor is flat and WAY more OS. The SexyBird is domey, flips to flat, and bombs with a strong fade at the end. Would love to throw a CapRap but can’t see myself rushing to buy one with my current bag setup (they’re also extremely hard to get here in Australia 🇦🇺)