Domain expansion “creation feats” are not impressive, but not for the reasons you stated. Instead it’s because they aren’t actually creating a volcano or island. Its a representation of their mind/technique and the other person is brought into that. This is actually pretty obvious because gojo’s domain creates an “infinite void” with literal stars visible around. No one would claim gojo can actually create this. Its meant to be a background, a setting for the inner mind of the sorcerer.
Exactly it’s just one’s innate domain manifested, they look big on the inside even when they don’t on the outside because once inside your perception is all out of whack, like look how small the room Dagon expands his domain in compared to the inside of his domain, if it was just creating an island and sea out of cursed energy then his domain simply wouldn’t fit in the space,
@@josephapsey9965Had Dagon refined his domain to have no barrier, do you think his island would manifest in a small room? 😂 It's a pocket dimension, that's how those work sometimes. Castlevenia has infinite floors yet it is visibly just a normal looking big castle on the outside.
@@josephapsey9965It’s a pocket dimension, if what you were saying were true then it wouldn’t be possible for them to be flying or as Toji does, run on water because there would be nowhere to run. The domain expansions are pocket dimensions and it was stated by Gege himself. "An advanced Cursed Technique where the user creates a pocket dimension that covers the surrounding area while simultaneously amplifying one’s attacks."
Not sure if Meruem knows how, but if he started using nen contracts his powers would be boosted so much. Hell if he explained his abilities he would become stronger. Not sure if that would matter depending on what Sukuna does but if it's just flat it might give him a needed boost to prevent domain expansion and win.
Well you could say the same for sukuna in his prime hein form he can chant mantras , weave hand signs to increase energy output but still fighting at the same time . These things would increase output seperate if each other and sukuna cutting existence of the world itself plus he hasn't even received his one finger which Yuji has . So yeah sukuna solos
Sukuna can do the same use two hands for hand signs, one mouth to chant, and the other mouth to explain his technique while his fighting Mereum to boost his powers too
The domain argument would scale gojo to infinite, since he seems to create an entire universe pocket dimension. Domains allow sure hits, which is the main purpose. Any non domain user usually dies to a domains sure hit effect. On top of that, it boosts the users stats for combat against simple domain users who are immune to the sure hit effect. It isnt ever really implied to be a massive creation feats, nor do the users showcase destruction equal to the size of the creation as far as I know
To be clear, I think sukuna still wins, but I just wanna add my bit about the domains. There isn't anything meruem can do about shrine. He just gets cleaved by it before he can adapt, since he can't 1shot sukuna
Hard agree this weird assertion that domain creation equals destructive power is just baseless, though tbf I also don’t put much stocks in calcs and shit since they clearly aren’t something the author thought about, like take the Mach 3 statement l, I personally take that at face value because it’s direct narration from the author, Gege probably didn’t research the speed required to bullet dodge when he wrote the Maki scene but when he’s literally dropping a character’s speed in narration then obviously that is something he intended, the true power scale will always be what the author intended so feats and statements should be used to best work out what the author was intending not doing pixel measurements they never even considered that contradict his own words that he directly wrote into the story
@@mnightstalker7291 I don't know how they started this assumption that the inside of a domain can be used to calc A.P... Like, can't they see that inside Dagon's domain, there's clouds, sea and even light from a source(sun), that will put Dagon at Star to solar system level if they use creation feat. which is just plain dumb and stupid. They know this, that's why they are just saying "IsLaNd". And imagine Toji a human who doesn't have the AP to actually destroy a mountain beating the shit out of a Star/Solar system level character... It just makes zero sense. They make sure to ignore the sea and clouds and light source, because they know how dumb that is. But end up using it either way... Also, there's one thing people forget. Domains sixes do not equate to the power of the charact... If not Sukuna whose domain which has no closing will make him Building level since that's the only thing he created. See how dumb it is when we start applying it to every character. Like imagine the strongest ability of a character, their domain being just a small building that looks like a shrine beating a character with a domain that's island level... One very big reason the creation meta for AP doesn't work in JJK. And even if we want to say Sukuna has a range of 200 meters with his domain, so his creation feat is 200 meters big.... Last I checked, 200 meters is nowhere near the size of an actual city more or less an island.
thank yo for being a jjk fan with a brain, you dont understand bro i hate when people say ojo is island or sukuna is island cus they scale above dagon when sukuna can literally only destroy city blocks with his domain it gets me anoyed cus how can you see him use his strongest attack and only destroy a few city blocks and say hes island
Meruem vs sukuna is close Meruems AP ≈ country => country Uvogin attacks are stated to punch at the force of small missiles and small missiles in hxh are • Length 108.86m • Width 108.86m • Depth 18m • The volume = 213,308.9928 cubic meters • The weight of the object is 2.5 tons per cubic meter • The time taken for everything to vaporize is ≈ 0.934 seconds • Calculate Mass: Mass=213,308 m³×3000 kg/m³Mass=213,308m³ × 3000kg/m³ Mass ≈ 639,924,000 kgMass≈639,924,000kg • Calculate Energy: Energy=Mass×400,000 J/kgEnergy=Mass×400,000J/kg Energy≈639,924,000 kg×400,000 J/kgEnergy≈639,924,000kg×400,000J/kg Energy ≈2.558×10¹⁴ JoulesEnergy≈2.558×10¹⁴Joules Uvo states he holds power power and is shown to go 20% 50% and 100% Assuming the feat was 20% = 2.79×10¹⁵ Assuming the feat was 50% = 5.116×10¹⁴ Assuming it was 100% = 2.558×10¹⁴ Putting Uvogin in the large town range And meruem is able to deal damage to himself, by taking off his arm, while a nuclear bomb (to which is ≈ 1,153,568x stronger than a small missle) is able to deal great damage to meruem without completely destroying his body, thus meaning there is some relativity from meruems ability to casually take off his arm and the rose bomb. Even if we assume at bare minutes meruem turned his nen off on his arm he took off (which isn't necessarily supported) nen as stated by Kuraprika only makes you a few dozen times stronger which would still have casual meruem attack at small country Meruems speed MFTL+ => infinite speed Meruem scales relative to netero, and netero is stated to move so fast pitou has to "infinitely compress their perception of time, essentially stopping the internal flow of time" and pitou is just hardly able to pick up the movement. To which pitou was not able to move their body within the time interval of activating their attack/ ability, to netero hitting pitou, which still logically follows since pitou isn't shown to move at the speed as netero, so when pitou does an action time must be flowing normally, unlike when netero is able to move. And this is important since meruem is able to adapt to this speed and move in this compressed time, but netero is still faster than meruem, thus implying there is a hierarchy of infinite speed in hxh (which is mathematically backed up by :infinity:^:infinity:^:infinity: > :infinity:^:infinity: > :infinity:) thus making meruem a low to normal echelon of infinite speed (think of it like moving an infinite distance in 10s vs in 10m) As for abilities, meruem is able to use spiritual message which moves at light speed, and covers a 200m radius, and within this meruem is able to send atomic particles that read the emotional and cognitive state of the people within it, thus meaning he can anticipate what sukuna could do and even break down of curse energy works, to which accomplished with Meruems intellect ( being capable of learning and Mastering complex phenomenon like chess and many other board games, and even nen, almost instantly when moving at normal speed, imagining him thinking that logically comprehensive at infinite speed, he'd for sure learn how domains work, how cursed abilities work, and even sukunas fighting style, and create elaborate plans to out maneuver sukuna almost perfectly as shown by his ability to break down infinite information into a finite solution to out maneuver an intellect relative to his own, being netero
I am always confused how people scale. How is the blanket statement of "Sukuna is way more powerful than Johgo" translated into "He has wa more destructive power" Johgos domain is MADE to be purely destructive so it puts all its eggs in that basket to be basically a big bomb. For me it makes no sense to say every sorcerer more powerful is as destructive when their domains sometimes just revolve around completely different aspects.
This makes sense when considering people around jogos level. 20 finger sukuna is so far above jogo and is literally KNOWN for his destructive capabilities, he easily beat jogos best fire blast with his own despite being at 15 fingers. Sukunas CT and domain are built around indiscriminate destruction, the blanket statement works because anyone that's read jjk knows how much greater sukuna is in all aspects, it doesn't need explanation.
@@RedLights9000-f3l efficiency, gojo while having less, would in reality still effectively have countless times more than yuta because of his six eyes, tho if gojo was given yuta's cursed energy, he would be many times stronger than his prime.
Sukuna has similar curse energy efficiency to gojo without the six eyes and gojo is said to use near zero curse energy due to the six eyes. But honestly domain expansion + fire arrow go burrr for sukuna dub
On the second point abt domains: It's pretty clear that they aren't a perfect 1-to-1 for offensive power given the fact that for some domains, the theoretical power doesn't actually match up to their limits either Dagon clearly not being able to just demolish an island on a whim, or Jogo showing off feats that make 'Coffin of the Iron Mountain' unnecessary if it was for raw offensive power. Rather, the tactical/field advantages provided by domains (stat amps, stage hazards, sure-hit attacks) are why they exist rather than a total and complete statement on their power levels specifically.
I agree for the most part, scaling someone’s power to the ability that it takes to create something isn’t exactly a completely fair assumption. What is though is the attack power it takes to win said domain battle. Being that Dagon’s is an island, not a mountain, and jogo would be on “a different level”, still puts jogo above island level with just his domain. If that makes sense at least. It’s not the same as attacking the outside barrier like yuji did to mahito, it just overtakes in pure ability shown by Gojo’s domain being manifested within jogo’s technique to completely overwhelm it. That’s my interpretation at least. They don’t directly scale above on ap, but they do scale to in creation ability, and a domain that can win in a clash scales in ap to the creation ability of said domain.
@@bromous1446 yeah I don’t disagree w/ scaling domains against each other to determine relative skill and power level in the context of a domain clash. I just mean they’re more than a little inaccurate as a flat ap/destructive power indicator for a character overall.
@@thatguy779 yeah, ur completely right. Like I said it only scales to domain clash victories really. A domain is the peak of jujutsu sorcery though, thus it means that is also the peak of their strength. Meaning that a punch from sukuna wouldn’t be island+, but at his peak abilities, he would be. It’s definitely a “pseudo” scale, but it does match yk?
@@bromous1446 honestly, given how domains are classed by their “refinement” in a clash, I’d lean more towards the “pinnacle of JJ sorcery” being a matter of skill rather than raw stats- on a character level, I think the way Yuta is compared to Gojo is a fitting illustration
@@thatguy779 idk if I understand the point, sorry not trying to be argumentative. The skill of sorcery is the ammt of efficiency and effective input, output, and ability of said sorcery correct? That’s just a fair assumption on what it means to be powerful in jjk? If that is the case, then the point still stands to said extent yk? If jogo can efficiently create an ability that power of is more powerful than that of Dagon who would be island level. Because gojo easily overwhelms jogo because of said efficiency in power and technique, it’s a fair assumption to make that it would be above the level of said domain in ap to the domain’s durability. That’s (to my knowledge) how a domain clash works. The nature of hakari’s de is a game with a very large number of possibilities, with the majority putting him at a disadvantage. This makes his domain strong in tug of wars because each of those possibilities should scale in the games space (animation that takes place while in the domain) plus the cons of not having a sure hit, and the disadvantages make it stronger. Making this a domain expansion of potentially the space created multiplied by the amount of possibilities in said space, multiplied by the binding vows to make it harder for hakari. It’s an example of ability and strength that should make the durability of the domain relative to the outcome of this. That also applies to just about any domain. The smallpox deity creates a graveyard, to which the ability requires a slow countdown making it a multiplicative amount stronger which should put it above cluster bomb level being that low special grades are relative to that in durability. Idk if this is making sense, but it’s definitely my interpretation.
What’s crazy is that Mereum was literally a new born baby, had he at least a couple months of learning nen I feel like it would drastically change the outcome of this fight and if he did I feel like he would have the same level of understanding nen as sukuna to cursed energy.
@@BobbyCroseBewler yes he won’t be beating current sukuna but the sukuna in the video he would have a chance to beat him, jjk is heavily inspired by hxh and they actually have something similar to binding vows plus the fact that Meruem was only 40 days old and that he didn’t actually have his own technique rather built off of his guards so his mastery of nen abilities wasn’t that good imo
Mereum can become a grandmaster by human standards in minutes. Sukuna while he is a demon. This would only place his learning curve around the level of an intelligent human. I will scale Sukuna based on a more mentally organized version of myself since I am a disorganized above average mind which operates on a genus level on very rare occasions. It took me over five years to rise above what is possible for your average player of Fire Emblem Awakening. Let us assume in his first five years Sukuna became greater than most of the people who practiced Curses in his era. This still is not equal to that of a grandmaster. If five minutes is equal to a grandmaster for Mereum and five years is equal to a master for Sukuna. Then we have 5 minutes x 12 = an hour. There are 24 hours in a day so this becomes 24 x 60. This is 1440 which there are 365 days in a year. Which is 525,600 minutes. In five years this would turn into 2,628,000. I guess what I am saying is I agree with you though felt I had to at least try to find the scale of these two ability to learn. The 5 minutes for Mereum is literally greater than Sukuna at 2,628,000 minutes. Since Sukuna is equal to a master level learning at that amount of time and Mureum is equal to a grandmaster in his amount of time.
Meruem vs sukuna is close Meruems AP ≈ country => country Uvogin attacks are stated to punch at the force of small missiles and small missiles in hxh are • Length 108.86m • Width 108.86m • Depth 18m • The volume = 213,308.9928 cubic meters • The weight of the object is 2.5 tons per cubic meter • The time taken for everything to vaporize is ≈ 0.934 seconds • Calculate Mass: Mass=213,308 m³×3000 kg/m³Mass=213,308m³ × 3000kg/m³ Mass ≈ 639,924,000 kgMass≈639,924,000kg • Calculate Energy: Energy=Mass×400,000 J/kgEnergy=Mass×400,000J/kg Energy≈639,924,000 kg×400,000 J/kgEnergy≈639,924,000kg×400,000J/kg Energy ≈2.558×10¹⁴ JoulesEnergy≈2.558×10¹⁴Joules Uvo states he holds power power and is shown to go 20% 50% and 100% Assuming the feat was 20% = 2.79×10¹⁵ Assuming the feat was 50% = 5.116×10¹⁴ Assuming it was 100% = 2.558×10¹⁴ Putting Uvogin in the large town range And meruem is able to deal damage to himself, by taking off his arm, while a nuclear bomb (to which is ≈ 1,153,568x stronger than a small missle) is able to deal great damage to meruem without completely destroying his body, thus meaning there is some relativity from meruems ability to casually take off his arm and the rose bomb. Even if we assume at bare minutes meruem turned his nen off on his arm he took off (which isn't necessarily supported) nen as stated by Kuraprika only makes you a few dozen times stronger which would still have casual meruem attack at small country Meruems speed MFTL+ => infinite speed Meruem scales relative to netero, and netero is stated to move so fast pitou has to "infinitely compress their perception of time, essentially stopping the internal flow of time" and pitou is just hardly able to pick up the movement. To which pitou was not able to move their body within the time interval of activating their attack/ ability, to netero hitting pitou, which still logically follows since pitou isn't shown to move at the speed as netero, so when pitou does an action time must be flowing normally, unlike when netero is able to move. And this is important since meruem is able to adapt to this speed and move in this compressed time, but netero is still faster than meruem, thus implying there is a hierarchy of infinite speed in hxh (which is mathematically backed up by :infinity:^:infinity:^:infinity: > :infinity:^:infinity: > :infinity:) thus making meruem a low to normal echelon of infinite speed (think of it like moving an infinite distance in 10s vs in 10m) As for abilities, meruem is able to use spiritual message which moves at light speed, and covers a 200m radius, and within this meruem is able to send atomic particles that read the emotional and cognitive state of the people within it, thus meaning he can anticipate what sukuna could do and even break down of curse energy works, to which accomplished with Meruems intellect ( being capable of learning and Mastering complex phenomenon like chess and many other board games, and even nen, almost instantly when moving at normal speed, imagining him thinking that logically comprehensive at infinite speed, he'd for sure learn how domains work, how cursed abilities work, and even sukunas fighting style, and create elaborate plans to out maneuver sukuna almost perfectly as shown by his ability to break down infinite information into a finite solution to out maneuver an intellect relative to his own, being netero
Don't forget the fact that Meruem was like 40 days old, if he could've perfected his nen for just a few years this would be a lot closer. But still Sukuna being able to cut throught space itself is is far too op.
17:26 illegal argue that since Sukuna has more ce than and nearly as good ce control as gojo it wouldn't be a stretch to say that he has days+ long stamina. Keep in mind as a teen Gojo was able keep using his curse technique for 3 days without rest
And that was before Gojo learned to use RCT, with it he can keep refreshing his brain so that he won’t get mentally tired and heal his fatigued body to keep himself in top shape, Sukuna can do this as well and top it all off with having double the CE compared to Yuta, Sukuna could basically fight for as long as he wants unless he keeps using domain expansions consecutively
Meruem was not an enhancer so hand to hand combat is actually not his strongest area, even though it’s leagues beyond everyone else in the HxH world. Meruem is an emitter as confirmed by the author. We saw one instance of an emitter ability from Meruem and it was likely not even close to his max output. It was probably not even a fraction of a percent of his emitter capabilities. Meruem wasn’t exactly killed by poison either. Radiation poisoning isn’t the same as poison. I still think Sukuna would win, but I think the assumption that if Meruem were to face an opponent of similar caliber to himself, then he would go with the strategic route and use his strongest area of fighting, and not focusing on something that is considerably weaker like hand to hand combat. Additionally, binding vows like the one that Sukuna has to have an open domain, can also be applied in HxH, Meruem never used one while Sukuna has used several. If Meruem did, his combat power and output could exponentially increase. It would be close and I think Sukuna would still win because of how a domain functions (they are sure fire hits if within range of the open domain, but I highly doubt that Meruem would willingly choose to put himself at a disadvantage against an opponent that was close to his power level, by engaging in hand to hand combat, and not simply using emitter abilities from great height or distances to essentially just bomb Sukuna. Look into what Meruem would be able to do if he actually developed his emitter abilities. For the most part all we say are basic abilities but due to the insanely massive Nen and aura output it just is leagues ahead of everyone else. If he developed his emitter abilities or showcased a developed emitter ability, he would increase his power exponentially; at least that’s how nen abilities theoretically work, look at Gon’s rock, paper, scissors ability for reference or Netero’s specific ability compared to his natural aura power (Netero is an enhancer and his ability is actually a combination of conjurer and enhancer abilities into one). Cool video though.
Spoiler Building on what you said about domain expansions, Sukuna only couldn’t do more cuz he got hit by Unlimited void, damaging his brain. I think he could’ve done more if it weren’t for that.
His cursed energy control is as good as Gojos who has six eyes, if he didnt have six eyes it wouldnt even be close. He also has double of Yutas cursed energy
@@PyroniumZ MORE than double. And Yuta was able to stop a blast comparable to Meruem's with bare hands. If you think about it, it's a really unfair fight.
On top of that, if he really wanted to, he could've transformed into his Heian era form completely healing his entire body and brain so he can throw up even more domain expansions but he didn't need to because he realized he wasn't in any real danger and could gamble on Mahoraga
The best stamina feat we have is Gojo keeping infinity active for 3 days straight when he hadn’t mastered it and took active concentration. Sukuna should easily scale above that in stamina since he has curse energy reserves to rival Gojo with the six eyes.
@@nyphe5420 We have no understanding of the stamina drain that an untrained Infinity takes, so its pure speculation on if its the most stamina intensive feat. Secondly... stamina and cursed energy have very little correlation. Yes cursed energy and domain expansions amp up your physical stats, but they're still two very different things. Gojo doesn't even have the most cursed energy within the main caste; its Yuta. What Gojo's Six Eyes allow him to do is _use_ that cursed energy at such insane efficiency that it makes his cursed energy reserves pool around like a bottomless cup, rather than him having the largest cup. Sukuna's cursed energy reserves are far outclassing even Yuta's(verbatim stated in the manga before you contest this) so that would mean that during their fight, Sukuna always had 10x as much stamina as Gojo which, as you saw clearly with how even their fight was, was not the case.
Sukuna definitely wins though Meruem was cut out short in life he was shown to adapt and grow stronger in short periods of time so he’s potential would be insane
After watching the full video, I can see and agree with your points; however, I think Meruem could have a low chance of victory instead of having a guaranteed loss
Don’t know if he mentioned it in the vid but in jjk, domain expansions have this think called a “sure hit” attack. This makes the domain have a 100% chance to kill anyone in it unless they create a simple domain, or a stronger domain expansion. Meruem can’t do either so he would get split into mini ant king pieces instantly. This fight isn’t even a debate
I think the Netero feat was considered so impressive because he instantly accelerated to hypersonic, seemingly without any hatsu whatsoever. Top movement speed and acceleration are completely different. Besides, we don'tactually know how fast he was moving; from the perspective of onlookers, his motion was instantaneous, meaning he could have been moving lightspeed and nobody would have noticed a difference. Good video, although, I think this changes if we give Meruem prep time. He can copy the ability of anyone he consumes, which is Mahoraga level nonsesne. All he has to do is use his En photons to realize that Sukuna has a domain expansion, and then find and consume someone with a teleportation or simple domain ability. His abilities with shapeshifting and splitting mean that normal cleave and dismantle won't really phase him, and he can maneuver his way to a checkmate.
@@bongcloud_ken If the scaling here is accurate, yes. JJK characters are notoriously inconsistent with power scaling, and if you go with the author's intent for the overall power levels of the characters (maximum meteor was stated to be powerful enough to injure Sukuna, and that was comparable to Meruem's casual mountain blast, for example), then Meruem would have superior stats, abilities, and intelligence. Generally, I disagree with using outliers to scale characters above where they were written to be. If you go with the 5-10x disadvantage set in the video, then it's much more difficult, but possible if he uses a simple domain to negate sure hit and uses shapeshifting to avoid damage until he's able to land a critical blow on Sukuna, since rage blast would scale MUCH higher than we saw if he needed maximum output. Even then, Meruem is hardly guaranteed to win. If Sukuna realizes he just has to hit one vulnerable spot, Meruem won't be able to use mind games to avoid being killed forever.
It's impossible to know really, but I wonder how a Meruem who wasn't born prematurely + mastered his nen/hatsu + won against and consumed every hunter during the palace invasion would fare (and fuck it, give him all three royal guards too, as they have been shown to offer themselves up anyways). It's always weird to me that the canon one is _literally_ him at his very weakest possible state
4:19 Ironic how you used "Gangster's Paradise" for Uvogin's sonic scream when what happened to the gangsters before he did that was NOT, in fact, a gangster's paradise.
1:36 tf? if a bomb exploded with that strength a small country would be erased. And mach 108 for pitou? If anything moves at that speed in the atmosphere it would result in an immediate massive explosion.
He's also highballing their speed by like 100 times. Naoya in his cursed form was mach 3 and an awakened maki on par with toji got blitzed by him and never was as fast as him and that character is supposed to be one of the fastest characters in the series. Sukuna and gojo are max hypersonic+ like mach 10 or so.
@@Coplanersirtax9hakari blocking lightning, kashimo dodging lightning, and Sukuna reacting to electromagnetic pulses which are 1% faster in the atmosphere is apperently massively hypersonic.
As long as Sukuna instantly kills Meruem with the dimension cut he could win and that’s if Meruem was just born. if he lets Meruem learn curse energy or eat anyone with curse energy it’d be over for the jjk world not just sukuna, he”ll just keep evolving from then like cell from DBZ
8:40 This Logic only follows if you think that Jogo gets to select his domain. He doesnt. And a domain gives benefits that isn't just destructive power, like the automatic hit. So the answer to why create a giant mountain if he can't output that much strength is that it allows him a sure hit technique and a buff in physical strength.
I’m not saying that Domain attacks literally equate to the force of the creation. However, the problem is the rest of the feats of the verse are thousands to millions of times weaker than the domain creation feats. Basically you’d be saying they exhausted 1 billion cursed energy points just so their attacks with 100 cursed energy pointed have a guaranteed hit
@@Professor_Fiction the show kinda sets it up like they do though? they constantly explain how after a domain expansion a sorcerer uses a whole lot of cursed energy and cannot open another domain expansion. they can't even use their cursed technique afterwards.
Yes, but why open a domain if the attacks are still irrelevant Basically going by the calculations, Jogo’s Domain is around 2.5 billion tons of TNT as a creation feat. In comparison the average feats outside of a domain for high tiers like Mahito and Hanami, people who rival base Jogo, is in the 100-300 tons of TNT range. So you can think about it like this. Why would Jogo waste 2.5 billion cursed energy points, just for his attacks to still be millions of times weaker? I’m not literally saying every attack within a domain is equal to the creation of the domain, but it doesn’t make sense for it to literally be millions of times weaker
It might not make sense but like, based what we've seen on the show that what its saying. Like I get what you're saying, but what I'm saying is despite not making sense that baaed on the information the manga and anime has given us it is what we should believe.@@Professor_Fiction
@@Agent-57 with prep maybe through that device lex made, but it would be very hard if it wasn't right after his birth given he would have all the justice league's powers and equipment, he's also as smart or even smarter than batman with him being able to learn anything 10,000 times faster than humans, so batman would need to bring in some strong magic to beat him.
Meruem - a literal baby who have never EVER tried to fight seriously and did not develop any unique nen-abilities because he didn't felt a need to. If you think you can put him into a death match and expect him to act the same way as he did when obliterating normal humans, then you are very misguided. Meruem is taking this match hands down. Even if he has to get angry and gain a similar boost as Gon did before palace invasion - Meruem would clap Sukuna.
Merumem has the ability to gain the strength and power of anyone he eats so I think with enough years of yk just doing what he does , he could slap sukuna
Doesn't the rage blast scale with emotion or something? Meruem was completely calm when he used it to mountain level effect so maybe it'd be more potent if his life was in danger which it would be if he's fighting Sukuna.
Also i have to say jogo does not scale to half of sukuna... Each finger has its own different power level that grows each day. But seeing (by calcs and statements) Sukuna at 15 fingers were many many times faster and stronger. No way sukuna perception blitz and bully jogo if he was only a 60% faster.
Meruem V Sukuna is interesting, but not exactly close. The benefit that meruem has is the intent to kill from the start. Being that their ap is not a factotum comparable because meruem doesn’t necessarily cap at mountain, but couldn’t be much higher. Sukuna scales to have a domain that can outright overwhelm that of Dagon (who is island, not mountain level), and jogo, who scales above. Sukuna and meruem are a lot more similar in brains to each other than what is stated in the video. Sukuna treats every battle like a game because of his advantage in strength to everyone in the verse. He learns every aspect of his enemy’s abilities before finishing a fight. Meaning he has the same learning capabilities (even if slightly slower) as meruem. After seeing cursed object manipulation once from kenjaku, he gained the ability to do the same. After understanding maharaga’s ability, he one shot him. Not only that, heian era sukuna has the ability to amp each attack with hand signs and chants while still battling because of his extra limbs. Still an interesting battle, but not necessarily close even if u take the Mach 3 at face value. Being that the ap’s r on different levels, even meruem couldn’t 1 tap sukuna’s head like he does so often in his verse, and sukuna just has to domain and fight over.
@@Certifiedprecog27809 I’m gonna assume probabaly purely based on the fact that someone like yuji was unaware of his cursed energy until he joined the world of sorcery, then learned to control it. Even if that specific logic doesn’t apply, it’s not like harsh would do much to him anyway because it should be a similar feeling to his malice being used to scare ppl. Like when he was stopping the sorcerers from moving under the meteor. Once again tho, even if not, it shouldn’t affect him because if I’m not confused, the whole argument about ppl dying to hatsu is stress related so it would be similar to a heart attack, and in jjk, a heart is abt as important as a finger with rct. Idk tho
@@jayleefarley6912 I mean sure. He is only days to weeks old if I’m not confused, but he still shows feats relative to sukuna in iq. Meruem becomes the best at strategy games in a matter of hours in a day outside of the game he plays with komuki, he instantly leaves how to use new techniques he absorbs, and gains an aptitude for nen control better than most in the verse. For reference tho, sukuna is in fact scalable to this. Sukuna upon simply awakening senses megumi’s potential ability. At 15 fingers he toys with maharaga, and learns his abilities very quickly, then it’s stated that his ce control is on par with gojo who specifically has a biological advantage that gives him better control. Casually learns cursed object manipulation after seeing it once. Builds a domain that doesn’t have a barrier, or a required space to substitute as a barrier. In jjk terms (like painting with the air as your canvas) or something along those lines. Masters ten shadows within a relative time upon getting it between minutes and hours to my knowledge. Uses said mastered ability to improve his own to cut space. I’m sure if I tried I could prolly do more for meruem, but to say it’s a leagues difference isn’t particularly fair. I do think meruem not only has potential to have been significantly stronger than sukuna, but also that his signs of iq was growing at a rate that sukuna wouldn’t be able to keep up w after thousands of years of life. Still close tho.
@@bromous1446That's what I love about Meruem, he was baisically a newborn and was still the most monstrously powerful character in the series. I'm terrified to imagine what he would become if he was alive even for just a year.
I don't think Sukuna is exactly the representation of evil. It's more like he just does whatever he feels like doing at any given moment without any consideration for allegiance or morals in a selfish kind of way. Even his later team ups in the manga were with people who made contracts he only considers unwanted obligations he would have sooner killed them for if not for their goals being convenient. He's more chaotic neutral than chaotic evil
Sukuna isn’t an embodiment of evil. He’s the embodiment of self indulgence. Same as all the top of the verse characters if u read between the lines, but no one does it like sukuna. The power system in jjk is fascinating because of how that works. Once u understand ur abilities, and decide to interpret it how u want to, that’s how u get more powerful. It’s the “I think therefore I am” philosophy.
hes both evil and indulgent. Even a special grade curse like jogo couldnt help but call sukunas sinister strength evil. Did you forget that he wanted to eat kids and women when he first came back into yujis body lol. @@bromous1446
Sukuna’s technique fillet and dissect sound a lot like the variation of Feitan’s ability mentioned by Phinks during the ant extermination. I’m not saying Meruem is stronger but his speed feat after consuming his 2 guards is pretty much instant transmission.
you're using a lower estimate of Sukuna as well though that's the pretty hard to argue against line of scaling. he could be relativistic speeds based on a feat he showed against Kashimo's lightspeed attack which he was able to dodge. And if you start saying his output is similar to Yuki's who was able to create a black hole then it gets wild really fast how lopsided this could be if you go into a different line of scaling that isn't as clear. Meruem is to my understanding harder to high ball arguments for than sukuna.
you mean a bullshit line of scaling. just cause someone who has as much CE as yuki doesnt mean they are as strong as a black hole wow. i love jjk too but the wank is incredible out here. Meruem easily scales over 10x faster and stronger than sukuna, more ap... only thing arguable is sukuna having stamina and thats only due to meruem having the lack of stamina feats. Not that noone actually thinks the king will ever run out of nen.
TBF, in Yuta’s fight they were spamming powerful Cursed Energy hungry attacks. For a normal Sorcerer they might have one or maybe two before before being drained, but these guys were spamming & fighting people near to equal power.
@@SkeetWeet4368 Not really. The Mach 3 feat is more of the outlier, gege actually made a comment that Mach 3 didn't make sense as a top jjk speed in retrospect. Top sorcerers are shown to be fast enough to be in 2 places at once, sukuna himself basically teleports behind Megumi in the detention center and that was at 2 fingers. Kenny reacts to a black hole, sukuna is able to react to hollow purple, gojo moves from the bottom of the Japan trench to kenjaku pretty much instantly, etc. I'm not saying they're ftl but they're significantly faster than mach 3(which is a weird outlier).
The ultimate determination hinges on the point that JJK practically revolves around Sukuna as an antagonist damn-near from the start. Meruem only got 1 arc and he was only in it for part of it. There's no way Meruem can win with such little development although it would have been interesting what he could have accomplished had he even began to explore Nen.
I could be wrong, but is the faster the sound Netero feat with him uaing nen, or without him using nen? I know he used nen to keep himself alive for those years, but his entire point of that exercise was to give thanks to martial art/nen. It'd be kinda contradictory to use nen to give thanks to nen. I couls be wrong, but I think him going super sonic was supposed to be a purely physical feat.
9:15 Gojo doing this over a few months ≠ Gojo being capable of outputting that energy in a single attack 💀 What he did is a multi city block per second feat and puts his CE output around those levels. The wank is crazy! Ngl it's like me using a one-second island level volley from the gun devil and then times the energy by the number of seconds in a few months and then act like a single bullet can do that 💀
Yes Sukuna win, that's obvious, we are talking about a guy that will cleave your hands instantly in close combat, FTL by dodging electromagnetic waves in a critical condition (99.997% of the speed of light) from Kashimo, with a domain expansion where only (Gojo, Mahoraga) were able to survive, no need to talk about WDC barrage for fast characters... Sukuna is not that character you think you will take in a fight and think you will survive if you are not able to heal faster even if you are immortal he can kill you (Jogo treatment is clear for Meruem, cleave both his hands and dismantle his head, durability cannot survive the domain, it's proved in the manga with Gojo and Mahoraga method to survive): - Offense: Cleave, dismantle, WDC, fire, domain. - Defense: Domain amplification (sheathing his body in an empty space to let the attack flow and being nullified, surviving purple 🟣 a matter erasure technique with this defensive two times), RCT (very fast healing technique). - Battle IQ, IQ: he can copy your skills with one sight (he cannot copy your innate technique). - Durability: physical durability and energy reinforcement are useless against Sukuna unless you can hide in another dimension. - Hax: no need to say anything. Thinking Blast that just destroy mountain will make a difference is crazy when the guy is cutting buildings like butter 🧈 with his normal dismantle and reinforced cleave (whatever the blast can be cut by Sukuna, anything in space, in the world, in existence will be cut down)....Meruem didn't agree with this fight and I understand him, the King of curses is a real menace.
Before watching the video imma say this right now even though it would be tough I think Toji vs Meruem is more plausible. Like everyone says before the more recent chapters of JJK I would say this was a good matchup but yeah... rip Meruem.
I mean bro king of ant isnt even the end game villan tho. He is just somewhere in the middle level of threat. Sukuna on the other hand is the Last boss.
One thing to add on Sukuna is that he was able to dodge an EM Wave from kashimo, so he’s been calculated to be 5x the speed of light, but jjk scaling is weird.
The thing with JJK speed is Gege clearly doesn’t do much in the way of calculations when working stuff out, the only definitive statement is Naoya being Mach 3, and well since all the speed feats aren’t consistent to each other anyway i just take the word of the author at face value and accept that Mach 3 is just the high end of the verses speed, it’d be different if that one statement contradicted a load of feats but it don’t since none of the feats really support each other, I just gonna trust the author here since he clearly thinks Mach 3 is top tier speed in the story he wrote
@@josephapsey9965Gege on one of his author comments also said his Mach 3 Statement didn't make sense. It'll for sure be one of those things that gets removed from the anime in the future
To add on; Meurem wouldn’t really be able to escape Sukuna’s domain. Sukuna revealed that he can change the conditions of his domain, and can even make a closed barrier domain if he chooses so. It’s just that an open domain is pretty much guaranteed to beat a closed domain in a domain battle if the users are relative. Sukuna even mentioned to Gojo when he believed Gojo could t use domain anymore, that he would cast a closed domain to prevent Gojo from escaping and kill him, but he misjudged the damage unlimited void dealt to his brain and so couldn’t cast his domain either. So even if Meurem managed to escape the first open domain, Sukuna would realize this, and simply cast a closed off domain to prevent an escape and would kill Meurem.
“The issue people have is it’s a creation feat not a destruction feat but why create it if the benefits don’t outweigh the cost” “Why would he waste so much energy creating it if he couldn’t output that much force as well” The benefits are a environmental boost and mainly the sure hit Someone can survive multiple site hits but still be doomed because sure hits are just that good that’s why domains are basically a auto win even if you’re domain doesn’t have oneshot hacks CTs basically have the same output in and out of a domain; the benefit is the sure hit not a boost to AP Creation feats regularly outshine destruction feats for instance when Choso fills a whole area with a flood of blood but can’t destroy that same area with more blood volume by orders of magnitude than the normal environment It seems easier to create things than to destroy things Where does it say that creating a mountain is as hard as destroying a mountain Where does it outline the creation mechanics at all You’re just assuming a 1:1 when it could be that all the costs are in the barrier and the manifestation of someone’s innate domain found just come from the soul for free. My point is that this is never explained you’re just assuming shit. I still think Sakuna is stinger though because of the Gojo could power an entire country statement and other things
The issue is that sukuna is 5 to 10 times faster than meruem. If there speed were equivalent I would give it to meruem since I could make the case that sukuna would never catch meruem under his domain expansion. I believe that due to meruem intelligence it would take 3 domain expansion for sukuna to defeat him
@@ZACHFAIRVII have you seen meruem regeneration ability? Don’t you think that he can break out of the domain once or twice or don’t you think he’ll have the intelligence to understand when sukuna is initiating his domain? So he could dodge it like Yuji dodged mahitos domain
@@ZACHFAIRVII please go watch the Miahito versus Nanami and UG fight again you can clearly see that Nanami got caught under the domain expansion, but UG dodged the domain expansion. You can literally see UG dodging the domain expansion.
@@ZACHFAIRVII ** spoiler** yes it’s a sure hit effect, but didn’t you see Gojo using reverse curse technique to heal himself while getting slashed. Meruem healing ability are on par with gojo healing ability so if Gojo can Meruem can as well.
10:30 You can't prove he moved at the same time as the bolt. Because lightning arcs to the path of least resistance, and it hits his arm; therefore his arm is the path of least resistance. Meaning, Hakari wouldn't need to move his head out of the way in order to not die. This idea is supported by Hakari being completely unable to move at all before Kashimo snipes him from behind with lightning. Mind you, just because Hakari was hit from behind doesn't mean he couldn't have reacted because sorcerers can perceive via CE in any direction and Kashimo's bolt is just his CE. The second time he got hit, he would've been moving relative to his head exploding. Not the bolt.
Realistically, if we put Meruem in the JJK verse, he would gradually and quickly build himself up with his intelligence and eating ability to Become the strongest character.
Meruem is smart enough to figure out the counter to Sukuna's domain is to literally go inside of Sukuna (pause), something he's capable of. The problem with this fight is that Meruem is equal to or faster than Sukuna, his en makes it so he always understands what is around him and what is happening, and he can divide himself. Meruem would understand immediately how far Sukuna's domain extends, and that it is attacking everything besides Sukuna himself. The closer Sukuna is, the better for Meruem.
Sukuna slams🥱Sukuna is anywhere from lightning speed via scaling 2 lightspeed/FTL (maybe, I'm not entirely convinced. Feel free 2 convince me) and with that reality/space/space-time cutting dismantle, its a loss 4 Mereum, who is a good villain ngl🗿
I guess it rlly depends how u scale since so much of jjk is basically subjective. Noaya reached peak Mach 3 according to maki, but it’s disproven by her blatant reaction to bullets when she was exponentially slower. I think lightning reaction is consistent, but lightning speed is not. However Mach 3 is also not consistent. It’s only a fair assumption that sukuna and gojo scale consistently to lightning speed, but not higher. And only maybe light speed reactions, but even then is a big stretch because gojo got perception blitzed by space cut.
@@bromous1446I mean kenjaku was moving with a black hole and could of escaped. Even Light can not escape black holes so seeing kenjaku can means sukuna should be able to.
@@tonggtiei that’s not what happened. There’s no proof he moved within it. The only proof there is that he reacted once he pieces together yuki’s plan and saw the build up, then used his ce that was able to disrupt it before it had the chance to destroy him. It’s not an ftl feat, it’s more of a hax/intelligence feat. It was a deductive response, not a direct reaction to a black hole. If kenjaku’s ftl, that means base choso is as well, and just no to that.
I think Meruem is definitely more durable than Sukuna but he just doesn't have the hax or AP to beat Sukuna, so he'd lose. Sucks that we never got to see him develop a hatsu and increase his nen because he was an absolute monster despite being only being like 1 month old at the time of his death, I think in a few years he could completely eclipse anybody in JJK given his insane talent.
No sukuna has tanked hallow purple which gege stated to be as fast as light and gojos new ability unlimited hollow was a nuke and all of those attack barley did anything to him and sukuna was holding back
meruem is NOT tanking a 200% hollow purple, and that only managed to do surface level damage to sukuna, which he regenerated from like it was no big deal
@@AaronMcLendon-nz2fh The unlimited hollow is not equivalent to a nuke imo, it destroyed a handful of buildings that's not nuke level and it severely damaged Sukuna too. Also Hollow Purple is basically the same as Netero's zero hand and that did nearly zero damage to Meruem. Meruem is definitely more durable, he just can't regenerate like Sukuna
@@4nnd711 Yes he would take a 200% HP, he took Netero's Zero Hand which is basically just a (probably) weaker version of HP with zero damage, I'd expect the same from even a 200% hollow purple. And again I said he's more durable than Sukuna, obviously Sukuna can take more damage because he can regenerate, Mereum can't but regeneration is not the same as durability.
An awakened Toji who tanked a low-level nuke pre-awakened. He is 40 DAYS old. He would have beaten Sukuna if not for the plot powered dimension cleave.
I would definitely say that saying Soukouna is around the same speed as Meram is a stretch, specially, with the intent of the author. There was only a couple slip ups. It was pretty obvious. He wanted them to only be like speed of sound and slightly faster, but I digress.
Meruem would win if this wasn’t him just being a day born. Give him one day to learn curse energy and eat ppl in jjk and it would be over for the jjk verse.
I wonder if we could make that argument that meruem could see sukuna's dismantle and adapt to it, creating a nen contract that gives him the same ability, granted current sukuna decimates just because he has no way around the space-rending slashes.
Considering most Jujutsu Sorcerers can’t see Dismantle, I find it unlikely Meruem could at defeault. Besides Sukuna is equally good if not better at copying and adapting to things
@@Professor_Fiction i feel like he wouldn't need to see it in order to copy the ability though, meruem would certainly be smart enough to figure out his ability.
The Meruem slander in these comments is wild. Post-rose mereum is definitely 15Fsukuna/Gojo levels. Of course JJK has more hax skills, but still y'all are silly.
The dude could travel miles in seconds. The fight between him and Netero was colossal and was within the span of a few minutes. I'd put that at or above Gojo's full speed. @@Professor_Fiction
The speed I used for Sukuna in this video was not even close to the highest speed scaling there is. Still, you go this route and Meruem’s raw power just can’t compete
the things is one is a old man and one is a newborn baby who didn't live for 6 months to grow to his full potential i find it impressive from meruem to be that strong and smart without knowing much imagine if he lived for 5years he'll get even stronger and smarter but sukuna win this because meruem didn't have time to grow to his full potential
I Find it Hilarious when he Compared Their Titles, "The King of Curses & The King of Ants." with no Context that would sound like a fight that isnt even close😂
if it is rather close. the fact that meruem was only like 40 days old when he died and hadn't even properly conceived a nen abilty yet (like jajanken or killua's lightning amp) is pretty wild. If post rose meruem somehow survived and got to develop his abilities more he would be an absolutte monster. not saying he could become strong enough to defeat sukuna for sure but I think he had the potential to become an absolute monster. even more than he already was. heck just "testing out" his rage cannon destroyed a mountain. who knows how much he was holding back with that blast
Idk from where you took the tnt scaling thing, but sounds really headcannon, no hate. I mean, you really want scaling, why don't you take in consideration the fact that Uvogin caused an earthquik just by yelling? Or the fact that he created an meteor area dmg with a punch? Bcs as far as I know, based feats, Jogo destroyed some buildings and his meteor, the same. (Not to mention the fact that even base Panda dodge it from an stupidly close zone, and not to mention also, Sukuna confirmed it could harm him, that meteor). Yes, Sukuna would win in the end bcs of dismantle or even domain expansion. But...Sukuna doesn't come remotely close to strengh in hand to hand with Meruem. Meruem outscales badly in strengh category. As I said, Sukuna takes the W, clear. But you put a lot of accent in a category that, Meruem is just leagues above.
9:55 Why can't Yuji be off guard and couldn't react because he wasn't expecting it? Considered piecering blood is only supersonic at the beginning? Implying it's subsonic to transonic later?
It's lame that people think "of this guy can make a bigger explosion so the person with the bigger one wins." i mean, honestly, people forget how merium in less than 20 seconds traveled hundreds of miles, and not once did this man even mention that meriums exoskeleton defense is so high that the only way sukuna could damage him is with that slice that can cut infinity. And he cant just use that freely as he wants. merium might get one hit by that ability if it lands but saying post rose merium is 5-10X weaker then sakuna who does not have megumi power is beyond false and makes absolutely no sense
@Professor_Fiction you see what I am saying, tho? You're over reaching for sukuna and underreaching for merium the only thing I said that may not be true is the distance he traveled which I say hundreds of miles in seconds, which if I reach the way you were reaching make sense because why? The main cast did not see a nuke did not hear a nuke did not reel the nuke? And he went back from that battle damn near instantly and then utterly blitz everyone in the area instantly with basically no time delay. If you gonna use every thing in the book to make sukanu stronger make sure you do it for the Opposition is all I am saying
I don’t think I reached at all. If anything I lowballed Sukuna’s speed due to recent manga feats, and used higher end calculations of Meruem’s explosion. You saying Meruem traveled hundreds of miles in seconds is literally a lie. The characters literally said it would take several minutes, and it’s never confirmed how far the castle is. Even then, the speed I gave to Meruem is more impressive. Traveling hundreds of miles in seconds is not as good as being Mach 200 or moving at the speed of lightning
@Professor_Fiction 1. you said pre megumi, so that has nothing to do with this conversation. 2. the rose bomb on a low end was 193 megatons given a couple sources I've looked up. if the tsar Bomba that was dropped on Hiroshima was only 50 megatons and the flash and vibrations could be felt for over 1000km then something more then 3X as strong on a low end was not seen or felt by a single person in the castle then what does that tell you? It tells me they were Minimum hundreds of miles away. You could argue they were underground, so the shock and flash were suppressed. But even still, shaiapouf said it would take him less than 5 minutes, but meruem got there significantly faster than shaiapouf thought he would. Also maybe this is just me but you can't just base who is stronger given speed feats and explosion feats I mean think about it, yuji who could get beyond blitzed by most all stronger people in jjk shibuya and up but all of a sudden with a 2 month time skip he can go beyond faster then Mach 500 and keep up with sukuna? Nah, there is no way. It's almost like they give feats to people like, maki who can grab bullets just for the cool factor, and the same for sukuna, just cause it's cool... or because they are not going dumby in depth for the exact science because that'd make most all Shonen story's garbage
@Professor_Fiction oh and 3. the only way to have definitive awnser at speed would be to ask the authors cause if you tell them these stats 1 thing I guarantee is they would just laugh and say no they are not that fast I mean think about it you're saying these people are moving well beyond 370,000 miles per hour and I can assure you that is not the case
8:50 because the attacks are guaranteed and can potentially be an insta-win if you're someone like Mahito 💀 it's Incredibly challenging to escape and amped Dagon's stats to be comparable to a nerfed Naobito who while healthy was completely blitzing him. A domain completely resolved that problem, so I don't see why you're acting like the benefits don't out way the costs. If it was almost all their energy then yeah maybe, but it's only half, allowing them to still fight and probably even use a maximum since Jogo doesn't deny being able to use domain after his maximum. You've just admitted it uses half their energy, so unless you can prove their normal attacks use equivalent or relative energy, they shouldn't scale.
Most domains can only target people with cursed energy, not sukunas tho when he opened his domain in Shibuya it cut apart everything and everyone in it, even inanimate objects
Imagine Meruem as old as Sukuna, he would probably have so much conditional nen abilities or greater amount of aura than the combination of an entire country.
Opening a domain being scaled to a character’s AP is head canon. Your argument implies that it doesn’t make sense for their AP to be less than the force it takes to create a domain but that’s not even the point of domains in the first place. It’s the guaranteed hit. That’s why Dagon couldn’t immediately kill Nanami or Maki. Unless you’re implying their durability could tank mountain level attacks.
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after the last few jjk chapters its a clear outcome. Sukuna being able to cut the fabric of reality itself is too broken.
i swear
Fabric of reality? Thought it was just space
Just space. Don’t make stuff up😂
Still a China victim honestly
@@localmilfchaser6938Uhhh space, existence and the world ..aka space and reality
Domain expansion “creation feats” are not impressive, but not for the reasons you stated. Instead it’s because they aren’t actually creating a volcano or island. Its a representation of their mind/technique and the other person is brought into that.
This is actually pretty obvious because gojo’s domain creates an “infinite void” with literal stars visible around.
No one would claim gojo can actually create this. Its meant to be a background, a setting for the inner mind of the sorcerer.
Exactly it’s just one’s innate domain manifested, they look big on the inside even when they don’t on the outside because once inside your perception is all out of whack, like look how small the room Dagon expands his domain in compared to the inside of his domain, if it was just creating an island and sea out of cursed energy then his domain simply wouldn’t fit in the space,
Leave it to powerscalers to be absolutely retarded and unable to have exercise any media comprehension
@@josephapsey9965Had Dagon refined his domain to have no barrier, do you think his island would manifest in a small room? 😂
It's a pocket dimension, that's how those work sometimes.
Castlevenia has infinite floors yet it is visibly just a normal looking big castle on the outside.
@@josephapsey9965It’s a pocket dimension, if what you were saying were true then it wouldn’t be possible for them to be flying or as Toji does, run on water because there would be nowhere to run. The domain expansions are pocket dimensions and it was stated by Gege himself. "An advanced Cursed Technique where the user creates a pocket dimension that covers the surrounding area while simultaneously amplifying one’s attacks."
@@Wratchedxisn't it described as them creating the environment with cursed energy?
Not sure if Meruem knows how, but if he started using nen contracts his powers would be boosted so much. Hell if he explained his abilities he would become stronger. Not sure if that would matter depending on what Sukuna does but if it's just flat it might give him a needed boost to prevent domain expansion and win.
In the end it wouldn't matter it wouldn't get him past sure hits
Well you could say the same for sukuna in his prime hein form he can chant mantras , weave hand signs to increase energy output but still fighting at the same time . These things would increase output seperate if each other and sukuna cutting existence of the world itself plus he hasn't even received his one finger which Yuji has . So yeah sukuna solos
So basically Meruem would need a training arc to match this king of curses
@@sh4d0wfl4reresurrection f type shit Meruem bout to be gold☠️
Sukuna can do the same use two hands for hand signs, one mouth to chant, and the other mouth to explain his technique while his fighting Mereum to boost his powers too
Stand proud sukuna, you are strong
- Jogoat
Stand proud mereum, you were strong
The domain argument would scale gojo to infinite, since he seems to create an entire universe pocket dimension. Domains allow sure hits, which is the main purpose. Any non domain user usually dies to a domains sure hit effect. On top of that, it boosts the users stats for combat against simple domain users who are immune to the sure hit effect. It isnt ever really implied to be a massive creation feats, nor do the users showcase destruction equal to the size of the creation as far as I know
To be clear, I think sukuna still wins, but I just wanna add my bit about the domains. There isn't anything meruem can do about shrine. He just gets cleaved by it before he can adapt, since he can't 1shot sukuna
Hard agree this weird assertion that domain creation equals destructive power is just baseless, though tbf I also don’t put much stocks in calcs and shit since they clearly aren’t something the author thought about, like take the Mach 3 statement l, I personally take that at face value because it’s direct narration from the author, Gege probably didn’t research the speed required to bullet dodge when he wrote the Maki scene but when he’s literally dropping a character’s speed in narration then obviously that is something he intended, the true power scale will always be what the author intended so feats and statements should be used to best work out what the author was intending not doing pixel measurements they never even considered that contradict his own words that he directly wrote into the story
@@mnightstalker7291 I don't know how they started this assumption that the inside of a domain can be used to calc A.P... Like, can't they see that inside Dagon's domain, there's clouds, sea and even light from a source(sun), that will put Dagon at Star to solar system level if they use creation feat. which is just plain dumb and stupid. They know this, that's why they are just saying "IsLaNd". And imagine Toji a human who doesn't have the AP to actually destroy a mountain beating the shit out of a Star/Solar system level character...
It just makes zero sense. They make sure to ignore the sea and clouds and light source, because they know how dumb that is. But end up using it either way... Also, there's one thing people forget. Domains sixes do not equate to the power of the charact... If not Sukuna whose domain which has no closing will make him Building level since that's the only thing he created. See how dumb it is when we start applying it to every character. Like imagine the strongest ability of a character, their domain being just a small building that looks like a shrine beating a character with a domain that's island level... One very big reason the creation meta for AP doesn't work in JJK.
And even if we want to say Sukuna has a range of 200 meters with his domain, so his creation feat is 200 meters big.... Last I checked, 200 meters is nowhere near the size of an actual city more or less an island.
thank yo for being a jjk fan with a brain, you dont understand bro i hate when people say ojo is island or sukuna is island cus they scale above dagon when sukuna can literally only destroy city blocks with his domain it gets me anoyed cus how can you see him use his strongest attack and only destroy a few city blocks and say hes island
Meruem vs sukuna is close
Meruems AP ≈ country => country
Uvogin attacks are stated to punch at the force of small missiles and small missiles in hxh are
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• Width 108.86m
• Depth 18m
• The volume = 213,308.9928 cubic meters • The weight of the object is 2.5 tons per cubic meter
• The time taken for everything to vaporize is ≈ 0.934 seconds
• Calculate Mass: Mass=213,308 m³×3000 kg/m³Mass=213,308m³ × 3000kg/m³ Mass ≈ 639,924,000 kgMass≈639,924,000kg
• Calculate Energy: Energy=Mass×400,000 J/kgEnergy=Mass×400,000J/kg Energy≈639,924,000 kg×400,000 J/kgEnergy≈639,924,000kg×400,000J/kg
Energy ≈2.558×10¹⁴ JoulesEnergy≈2.558×10¹⁴Joules
Uvo states he holds power power and is shown to go 20% 50% and 100%
Assuming the feat was 20% = 2.79×10¹⁵
Assuming the feat was 50% = 5.116×10¹⁴
Assuming it was 100% = 2.558×10¹⁴
Putting Uvogin in the large town range
And meruem is able to deal damage to himself, by taking off his arm, while a nuclear bomb (to which is ≈ 1,153,568x stronger than a small missle) is able to deal great damage to meruem without completely destroying his body, thus meaning there is some relativity from meruems ability to casually take off his arm and the rose bomb. Even if we assume at bare minutes meruem turned his nen off on his arm he took off (which isn't necessarily supported) nen as stated by Kuraprika only makes you a few dozen times stronger which would still have casual meruem attack at small country
Meruems speed MFTL+ => infinite speed
Meruem scales relative to netero, and netero is stated to move so fast pitou has to "infinitely compress their perception of time, essentially stopping the internal flow of time" and pitou is just hardly able to pick up the movement. To which pitou was not able to move their body within the time interval of activating their attack/ ability, to netero hitting pitou, which still logically follows since pitou isn't shown to move at the speed as netero, so when pitou does an action time must be flowing normally, unlike when netero is able to move.
And this is important since meruem is able to adapt to this speed and move in this compressed time, but netero is still faster than meruem, thus implying there is a hierarchy of infinite speed in hxh (which is mathematically backed up by :infinity:^:infinity:^:infinity: > :infinity:^:infinity: > :infinity:) thus making meruem a low to normal echelon of infinite speed (think of it like moving an infinite distance in 10s vs in 10m)
As for abilities, meruem is able to use spiritual message which moves at light speed, and covers a 200m radius, and within this meruem is able to send atomic particles that read the emotional and cognitive state of the people within it, thus meaning he can anticipate what sukuna could do and even break down of curse energy works, to which accomplished with Meruems intellect ( being capable of learning and Mastering complex phenomenon like chess and many other board games, and even nen, almost instantly when moving at normal speed, imagining him thinking that logically comprehensive at infinite speed, he'd for sure learn how domains work, how cursed abilities work, and even sukunas fighting style, and create elaborate plans to out maneuver sukuna almost perfectly as shown by his ability to break down infinite information into a finite solution to out maneuver an intellect relative to his own, being netero
I am always confused how people scale. How is the blanket statement of "Sukuna is way more powerful than Johgo" translated into "He has wa more destructive power" Johgos domain is MADE to be purely destructive so it puts all its eggs in that basket to be basically a big bomb. For me it makes no sense to say every sorcerer more powerful is as destructive when their domains sometimes just revolve around completely different aspects.
This makes sense when considering people around jogos level. 20 finger sukuna is so far above jogo and is literally KNOWN for his destructive capabilities, he easily beat jogos best fire blast with his own despite being at 15 fingers. Sukunas CT and domain are built around indiscriminate destruction, the blanket statement works because anyone that's read jjk knows how much greater sukuna is in all aspects, it doesn't need explanation.
Also Gojo DE attacks the brain
more CE=more power.
@@nicholas-dv1mg not really it was stated that yuta have more CE than gojo but he's no way his level
@@RedLights9000-f3l efficiency, gojo while having less, would in reality still effectively have countless times more than yuta because of his six eyes, tho if gojo was given yuta's cursed energy, he would be many times stronger than his prime.
Sukuna has similar curse energy efficiency to gojo without the six eyes and gojo is said to use near zero curse energy due to the six eyes. But honestly domain expansion + fire arrow go burrr for sukuna dub
when was that stated?
@@nicholas-dv1mgChapter 224
@@log5531 wrong, chapter 225 page 11, close enough that i could still find it tho.
@@nicholas-dv1mg Yeah 225, mb
Town level level domain < City level arrow < mountain level blast
On the second point abt domains: It's pretty clear that they aren't a perfect 1-to-1 for offensive power given the fact that for some domains, the theoretical power doesn't actually match up to their limits either Dagon clearly not being able to just demolish an island on a whim, or Jogo showing off feats that make 'Coffin of the Iron Mountain' unnecessary if it was for raw offensive power. Rather, the tactical/field advantages provided by domains (stat amps, stage hazards, sure-hit attacks) are why they exist rather than a total and complete statement on their power levels specifically.
I agree for the most part, scaling someone’s power to the ability that it takes to create something isn’t exactly a completely fair assumption. What is though is the attack power it takes to win said domain battle. Being that Dagon’s is an island, not a mountain, and jogo would be on “a different level”, still puts jogo above island level with just his domain. If that makes sense at least. It’s not the same as attacking the outside barrier like yuji did to mahito, it just overtakes in pure ability shown by Gojo’s domain being manifested within jogo’s technique to completely overwhelm it. That’s my interpretation at least. They don’t directly scale above on ap, but they do scale to in creation ability, and a domain that can win in a clash scales in ap to the creation ability of said domain.
@@bromous1446 yeah I don’t disagree w/ scaling domains against each other to determine relative skill and power level in the context of a domain clash. I just mean they’re more than a little inaccurate as a flat ap/destructive power indicator for a character overall.
@@thatguy779 yeah, ur completely right. Like I said it only scales to domain clash victories really. A domain is the peak of jujutsu sorcery though, thus it means that is also the peak of their strength. Meaning that a punch from sukuna wouldn’t be island+, but at his peak abilities, he would be. It’s definitely a “pseudo” scale, but it does match yk?
@@bromous1446 honestly, given how domains are classed by their “refinement” in a clash, I’d lean more towards the “pinnacle of JJ sorcery” being a matter of skill rather than raw stats- on a character level, I think the way Yuta is compared to Gojo is a fitting illustration
@@thatguy779 idk if I understand the point, sorry not trying to be argumentative. The skill of sorcery is the ammt of efficiency and effective input, output, and ability of said sorcery correct? That’s just a fair assumption on what it means to be powerful in jjk? If that is the case, then the point still stands to said extent yk? If jogo can efficiently create an ability that power of is more powerful than that of Dagon who would be island level. Because gojo easily overwhelms jogo because of said efficiency in power and technique, it’s a fair assumption to make that it would be above the level of said domain in ap to the domain’s durability. That’s (to my knowledge) how a domain clash works. The nature of hakari’s de is a game with a very large number of possibilities, with the majority putting him at a disadvantage. This makes his domain strong in tug of wars because each of those possibilities should scale in the games space (animation that takes place while in the domain) plus the cons of not having a sure hit, and the disadvantages make it stronger. Making this a domain expansion of potentially the space created multiplied by the amount of possibilities in said space, multiplied by the binding vows to make it harder for hakari. It’s an example of ability and strength that should make the durability of the domain relative to the outcome of this. That also applies to just about any domain. The smallpox deity creates a graveyard, to which the ability requires a slow countdown making it a multiplicative amount stronger which should put it above cluster bomb level being that low special grades are relative to that in durability. Idk if this is making sense, but it’s definitely my interpretation.
What’s crazy is that Mereum was literally a new born baby, had he at least a couple months of learning nen I feel like it would drastically change the outcome of this fight and if he did I feel like he would have the same level of understanding nen as sukuna to cursed energy.
Sukuna outscales the life out of HxH. More knowledge isn't saving him here
@@BobbyCroseBewler yes he won’t be beating current sukuna but the sukuna in the video he would have a chance to beat him, jjk is heavily inspired by hxh and they actually have something similar to binding vows plus the fact that Meruem was only 40 days old and that he didn’t actually have his own technique rather built off of his guards so his mastery of nen abilities wasn’t that good imo
@@BobbyCroseBewler Meruem given enough time would’ve been a god in hxh and Sakuna level
Mereum can become a grandmaster by human standards in minutes. Sukuna while he is a demon. This would only place his learning curve around the level of an intelligent human. I will scale Sukuna based on a more mentally organized version of myself since I am a disorganized above average mind which operates on a genus level on very rare occasions. It took me over five years to rise above what is possible for your average player of Fire Emblem Awakening. Let us assume in his first five years Sukuna became greater than most of the people who practiced Curses in his era. This still is not equal to that of a grandmaster. If five minutes is equal to a grandmaster for Mereum and five years is equal to a master for Sukuna. Then we have 5 minutes x 12 = an hour. There are 24 hours in a day so this becomes 24 x 60. This is 1440 which there are 365 days in a year. Which is 525,600 minutes. In five years this would turn into 2,628,000. I guess what I am saying is I agree with you though felt I had to at least try to find the scale of these two ability to learn. The 5 minutes for Mereum is literally greater than Sukuna at 2,628,000 minutes. Since Sukuna is equal to a master level learning at that amount of time and Mureum is equal to a grandmaster in his amount of time.
@@lanceknightmare reditor
If someone like Meruem actually sat in a room for a day thinking of ways to use nen and new hatsus to make he'd be unstoppable.
still no feats tho
@@maromaro7022OK? Weird ass reply.
@@Clooger-huh
@@maromaro7022 tf you mean no feats?
Your analysis is great. I feel like nobody is scaling HxH or JJK as accurately or in depth as this channel. Good job my dude keep it up
Then you haven't watched broku look him up
Bro just highballed them
@@Six-bw3irtell him stick to making inconsistent asta scaling
@envysaii alright bud how bout you make a scaling video for a fucking terrible anime. Exactly it's hard
Meruem vs sukuna is close
Meruems AP ≈ country => country
Uvogin attacks are stated to punch at the force of small missiles and small missiles in hxh are
• Length 108.86m
• Width 108.86m
• Depth 18m
• The volume = 213,308.9928 cubic meters • The weight of the object is 2.5 tons per cubic meter
• The time taken for everything to vaporize is ≈ 0.934 seconds
• Calculate Mass: Mass=213,308 m³×3000 kg/m³Mass=213,308m³ × 3000kg/m³ Mass ≈ 639,924,000 kgMass≈639,924,000kg
• Calculate Energy: Energy=Mass×400,000 J/kgEnergy=Mass×400,000J/kg Energy≈639,924,000 kg×400,000 J/kgEnergy≈639,924,000kg×400,000J/kg
Energy ≈2.558×10¹⁴ JoulesEnergy≈2.558×10¹⁴Joules
Uvo states he holds power power and is shown to go 20% 50% and 100%
Assuming the feat was 20% = 2.79×10¹⁵
Assuming the feat was 50% = 5.116×10¹⁴
Assuming it was 100% = 2.558×10¹⁴
Putting Uvogin in the large town range
And meruem is able to deal damage to himself, by taking off his arm, while a nuclear bomb (to which is ≈ 1,153,568x stronger than a small missle) is able to deal great damage to meruem without completely destroying his body, thus meaning there is some relativity from meruems ability to casually take off his arm and the rose bomb. Even if we assume at bare minutes meruem turned his nen off on his arm he took off (which isn't necessarily supported) nen as stated by Kuraprika only makes you a few dozen times stronger which would still have casual meruem attack at small country
Meruems speed MFTL+ => infinite speed
Meruem scales relative to netero, and netero is stated to move so fast pitou has to "infinitely compress their perception of time, essentially stopping the internal flow of time" and pitou is just hardly able to pick up the movement. To which pitou was not able to move their body within the time interval of activating their attack/ ability, to netero hitting pitou, which still logically follows since pitou isn't shown to move at the speed as netero, so when pitou does an action time must be flowing normally, unlike when netero is able to move.
And this is important since meruem is able to adapt to this speed and move in this compressed time, but netero is still faster than meruem, thus implying there is a hierarchy of infinite speed in hxh (which is mathematically backed up by :infinity:^:infinity:^:infinity: > :infinity:^:infinity: > :infinity:) thus making meruem a low to normal echelon of infinite speed (think of it like moving an infinite distance in 10s vs in 10m)
As for abilities, meruem is able to use spiritual message which moves at light speed, and covers a 200m radius, and within this meruem is able to send atomic particles that read the emotional and cognitive state of the people within it, thus meaning he can anticipate what sukuna could do and even break down of curse energy works, to which accomplished with Meruems intellect ( being capable of learning and Mastering complex phenomenon like chess and many other board games, and even nen, almost instantly when moving at normal speed, imagining him thinking that logically comprehensive at infinite speed, he'd for sure learn how domains work, how cursed abilities work, and even sukunas fighting style, and create elaborate plans to out maneuver sukuna almost perfectly as shown by his ability to break down infinite information into a finite solution to out maneuver an intellect relative to his own, being netero
I love how the scouter is always on the side of his mask that he can't see through
Don't forget the fact that Meruem was like 40 days old, if he could've perfected his nen for just a few years this would be a lot closer. But still Sukuna being able to cut throught space itself is is far too op.
17:26 illegal argue that since Sukuna has more ce than and nearly as good ce control as gojo it wouldn't be a stretch to say that he has days+ long stamina. Keep in mind as a teen Gojo was able keep using his curse technique for 3 days without rest
And that was before Gojo learned to use RCT, with it he can keep refreshing his brain so that he won’t get mentally tired and heal his fatigued body to keep himself in top shape, Sukuna can do this as well and top it all off with having double the CE compared to Yuta, Sukuna could basically fight for as long as he wants unless he keeps using domain expansions consecutively
Meruem was not an enhancer so hand to hand combat is actually not his strongest area, even though it’s leagues beyond everyone else in the HxH world. Meruem is an emitter as confirmed by the author. We saw one instance of an emitter ability from Meruem and it was likely not even close to his max output. It was probably not even a fraction of a percent of his emitter capabilities. Meruem wasn’t exactly killed by poison either. Radiation poisoning isn’t the same as poison.
I still think Sukuna would win, but I think the assumption that if Meruem were to face an opponent of similar caliber to himself, then he would go with the strategic route and use his strongest area of fighting, and not focusing on something that is considerably weaker like hand to hand combat. Additionally, binding vows like the one that Sukuna has to have an open domain, can also be applied in HxH, Meruem never used one while Sukuna has used several. If Meruem did, his combat power and output could exponentially increase. It would be close and I think Sukuna would still win because of how a domain functions (they are sure fire hits if within range of the open domain, but I highly doubt that Meruem would willingly choose to put himself at a disadvantage against an opponent that was close to his power level, by engaging in hand to hand combat, and not simply using emitter abilities from great height or distances to essentially just bomb Sukuna. Look into what Meruem would be able to do if he actually developed his emitter abilities. For the most part all we say are basic abilities but due to the insanely massive Nen and aura output it just is leagues ahead of everyone else. If he developed his emitter abilities or showcased a developed emitter ability, he would increase his power exponentially; at least that’s how nen abilities theoretically work, look at Gon’s rock, paper, scissors ability for reference or Netero’s specific ability compared to his natural aura power (Netero is an enhancer and his ability is actually a combination of conjurer and enhancer abilities into one). Cool video though.
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Building on what you said about domain expansions, Sukuna only couldn’t do more cuz he got hit by Unlimited void, damaging his brain. I think he could’ve done more if it weren’t for that.
His cursed energy control is as good as Gojos who has six eyes, if he didnt have six eyes it wouldnt even be close. He also has double of Yutas cursed energy
@@PyroniumZ MORE than double. And Yuta was able to stop a blast comparable to Meruem's with bare hands. If you think about it, it's a really unfair fight.
@@auditor7613 Especially with some of the other stuff that arent mentioned because of spoilers
@@PyroniumZ Yeah, durability negation, adaptation, second health bar, and numbers. Plus Fuga, about which we know nothing.
On top of that, if he really wanted to, he could've transformed into his Heian era form completely healing his entire body and brain so he can throw up even more domain expansions but he didn't need to because he realized he wasn't in any real danger and could gamble on Mahoraga
The best stamina feat we have is Gojo keeping infinity active for 3 days straight when he hadn’t mastered it and took active concentration. Sukuna should easily scale above that in stamina since he has curse energy reserves to rival Gojo with the six eyes.
Bruh what? You’re way off. Like way off
@@MindlessMenace do we have a better stamina feat or you just gonna say I am way off?
@@nyphe5420 We have no understanding of the stamina drain that an untrained Infinity takes, so its pure speculation on if its the most stamina intensive feat.
Secondly... stamina and cursed energy have very little correlation. Yes cursed energy and domain expansions amp up your physical stats, but they're still two very different things. Gojo doesn't even have the most cursed energy within the main caste; its Yuta.
What Gojo's Six Eyes allow him to do is _use_ that cursed energy at such insane efficiency that it makes his cursed energy reserves pool around like a bottomless cup, rather than him having the largest cup. Sukuna's cursed energy reserves are far outclassing even Yuta's(verbatim stated in the manga before you contest this) so that would mean that during their fight, Sukuna always had 10x as much stamina as Gojo which, as you saw clearly with how even their fight was, was not the case.
Thousands years old Sukuna vs barely a month old Meruem
Sukuna definitely wins though Meruem was cut out short in life he was shown to adapt and grow stronger in short periods of time so he’s potential would be insane
Oh I WONDER What The Next Video Could Be?
“Out of all the myriad beings I have battled thus far only YOU survived for this long”
Woros
Awesome video man
Sukuna can also just close his domain barrier so that meruem can never ever escape it's really one sided
His domain would get much smaller and weaker if he were to do that though
After watching the full video, I can see and agree with your points; however, I think Meruem could have a low chance of victory instead of having a guaranteed loss
How?
No chance.
15 fingers or below maybe but he gets absolutely bodied by any version of Sukuna above that
If jjk was written by togashi yea, he’s supposed to be unbeatable in his verse
Don’t know if he mentioned it in the vid but in jjk, domain expansions have this think called a “sure hit” attack. This makes the domain have a 100% chance to kill anyone in it unless they create a simple domain, or a stronger domain expansion. Meruem can’t do either so he would get split into mini ant king pieces instantly. This fight isn’t even a debate
I think the Netero feat was considered so impressive because he instantly accelerated to hypersonic, seemingly without any hatsu whatsoever. Top movement speed and acceleration are completely different.
Besides, we don'tactually know how fast he was moving; from the perspective of onlookers, his motion was instantaneous, meaning he could have been moving lightspeed and nobody would have noticed a difference.
Good video, although, I think this changes if we give Meruem prep time. He can copy the ability of anyone he consumes, which is Mahoraga level nonsesne. All he has to do is use his En photons to realize that Sukuna has a domain expansion, and then find and consume someone with a teleportation or simple domain ability. His abilities with shapeshifting and splitting mean that normal cleave and dismantle won't really phase him, and he can maneuver his way to a checkmate.
So meruem needs a lot of ifs to beat Sukuna?
@@bongcloud_ken
If the scaling here is accurate, yes. JJK characters are notoriously inconsistent with power scaling, and if you go with the author's intent for the overall power levels of the characters (maximum meteor was stated to be powerful enough to injure Sukuna, and that was comparable to Meruem's casual mountain blast, for example), then Meruem would have superior stats, abilities, and intelligence. Generally, I disagree with using outliers to scale characters above where they were written to be.
If you go with the 5-10x disadvantage set in the video, then it's much more difficult, but possible if he uses a simple domain to negate sure hit and uses shapeshifting to avoid damage until he's able to land a critical blow on Sukuna, since rage blast would scale MUCH higher than we saw if he needed maximum output.
Even then, Meruem is hardly guaranteed to win. If Sukuna realizes he just has to hit one vulnerable spot, Meruem won't be able to use mind games to avoid being killed forever.
It's impossible to know really, but I wonder how a Meruem who wasn't born prematurely + mastered his nen/hatsu + won against and consumed every hunter during the palace invasion would fare (and fuck it, give him all three royal guards too, as they have been shown to offer themselves up anyways). It's always weird to me that the canon one is _literally_ him at his very weakest possible state
Meruem is so fast in comparison and he doesn't mess around so Sukuna wouldn't even know he died.
till you realize that sukuna is actually way faster than him lmao
@@usopp8616 true
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4:19
Ironic how you used "Gangster's Paradise" for Uvogin's sonic scream when what happened to the gangsters before he did that was NOT, in fact, a gangster's paradise.
Perhaps, Uvogin is the true gangster
1:36 tf? if a bomb exploded with that strength a small country would be erased. And mach 108 for pitou? If anything moves at that speed in the atmosphere it would result in an immediate massive explosion.
You know characters in fiction can move faster than light? Fiction does not need to obey the same laws we are bound to
Wow they calculated the dude blowing up a mountain as 'mountain level', really wore out the calculators with that one
He's also highballing their speed by like 100 times. Naoya in his cursed form was mach 3 and an awakened maki on par with toji got blitzed by him and never was as fast as him and that character is supposed to be one of the fastest characters in the series. Sukuna and gojo are max hypersonic+ like mach 10 or so.
@@Coplanersirtax9hakari blocking lightning, kashimo dodging lightning, and Sukuna reacting to electromagnetic pulses which are 1% faster in the atmosphere is apperently massively hypersonic.
@@Coplanersirtax9Mach 3 is debunked it’s not consistent
W video, Beru when he first showed up vs Mereum next PLEASE! THEY are both "Ants" !?
As long as Sukuna instantly kills Meruem with the dimension cut he could win and that’s if Meruem was just born. if he lets Meruem learn curse energy or eat anyone with curse energy it’d be over for the jjk world not just sukuna, he”ll just keep evolving from then like cell from DBZ
Meruem gets folded regardless
😂
Imagine if Meruem eats a finger
@@josemiojeda3286
Imagine if he gets turned into a waffle by the dismantle net 🤣
Ye Give meruem a month he solos whole jjk verse no is nearly as talented or intelligent as he is.
@@timeread3099
He doesn't lil dawg
Love the video man did a great job 👊🏼👊🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Before i watch the video im just praying he uses kashimo technique as scaling [Nuclear wave]
It wasn't used
8:40 This Logic only follows if you think that Jogo gets to select his domain. He doesnt. And a domain gives benefits that isn't just destructive power, like the automatic hit. So the answer to why create a giant mountain if he can't output that much strength is that it allows him a sure hit technique and a buff in physical strength.
I’m not saying that Domain attacks literally equate to the force of the creation. However, the problem is the rest of the feats of the verse are thousands to millions of times weaker than the domain creation feats. Basically you’d be saying they exhausted 1 billion cursed energy points just so their attacks with 100 cursed energy pointed have a guaranteed hit
@@Professor_Fiction the show kinda sets it up like they do though?
they constantly explain how after a domain expansion a sorcerer uses a whole lot of cursed energy and cannot open another domain expansion. they can't even use their cursed technique afterwards.
Yes, but why open a domain if the attacks are still irrelevant
Basically going by the calculations, Jogo’s Domain is around 2.5 billion tons of TNT as a creation feat. In comparison the average feats outside of a domain for high tiers like Mahito and Hanami, people who rival base Jogo, is in the 100-300 tons of TNT range.
So you can think about it like this. Why would Jogo waste 2.5 billion cursed energy points, just for his attacks to still be millions of times weaker?
I’m not literally saying every attack within a domain is equal to the creation of the domain, but it doesn’t make sense for it to literally be millions of times weaker
It might not make sense but like, based what we've seen on the show that what its saying.
Like I get what you're saying, but what I'm saying is despite not making sense that baaed on the information the manga and anime has given us it is what we should believe.@@Professor_Fiction
"You can't beat adaptation with two hands and big brain"
Batman looking at Amazo - "watch me"
"You can't adapt to straight hands tho"
-me
@@master-oh6zn "Yes, I can"
-Doomsday
not the animated justice league version, that one was just way too OP.
@@nicholas-dv1mg The gold one yes not the silver one.
@@Agent-57 with prep maybe through that device lex made, but it would be very hard if it wasn't right after his birth given he would have all the justice league's powers and equipment, he's also as smart or even smarter than batman with him being able to learn anything 10,000 times faster than humans, so batman would need to bring in some strong magic to beat him.
Meruem - a literal baby who have never EVER tried to fight seriously and did not develop any unique nen-abilities because he didn't felt a need to.
If you think you can put him into a death match and expect him to act the same way as he did when obliterating normal humans, then you are very misguided.
Meruem is taking this match hands down. Even if he has to get angry and gain a similar boost as Gon did before palace invasion - Meruem would clap Sukuna.
Bro needs to read the Sukuna vs Gojo fight and Sukuna vs Kashimo because although not as smart as Meruem or as talented, he is pretty damn close
Kenny >>>
Meruem >>>>>
@@jackaboynaylor9273kenny the one who took it all for his plan?
Great vid I hope to see a Yoriichi vs Toji at some point since they are the strongest "regular" humans in their verses
The schizo samurai vs the tik tok gym rutines dude, interesting.
Merumem has the ability to gain the strength and power of anyone he eats so I think with enough years of yk just doing what he does , he could slap sukuna
Doesn't the rage blast scale with emotion or something? Meruem was completely calm when he used it to mountain level effect so maybe it'd be more potent if his life was in danger which it would be if he's fighting Sukuna.
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Exactly Bro!!
The image of the man thinking when they said that Sukuna analyzes the cursed techniques and the image of Ten and Goku killed me
Also i have to say jogo does not scale to half of sukuna...
Each finger has its own different power level that grows each day.
But seeing (by calcs and statements)
Sukuna at 15 fingers were many many times faster and stronger.
No way sukuna perception blitz and bully jogo if he was only a 60% faster.
The flash technique from Meruem or whatever it is called could make him realize that Sukuna is no joke and try to escape immediately.
Meruem V Sukuna is interesting, but not exactly close. The benefit that meruem has is the intent to kill from the start. Being that their ap is not a factotum comparable because meruem doesn’t necessarily cap at mountain, but couldn’t be much higher. Sukuna scales to have a domain that can outright overwhelm that of Dagon (who is island, not mountain level), and jogo, who scales above. Sukuna and meruem are a lot more similar in brains to each other than what is stated in the video. Sukuna treats every battle like a game because of his advantage in strength to everyone in the verse. He learns every aspect of his enemy’s abilities before finishing a fight. Meaning he has the same learning capabilities (even if slightly slower) as meruem. After seeing cursed object manipulation once from kenjaku, he gained the ability to do the same. After understanding maharaga’s ability, he one shot him. Not only that, heian era sukuna has the ability to amp each attack with hand signs and chants while still battling because of his extra limbs. Still an interesting battle, but not necessarily close even if u take the Mach 3 at face value. Being that the ap’s r on different levels, even meruem couldn’t 1 tap sukuna’s head like he does so often in his verse, and sukuna just has to domain and fight over.
But can sukuna defend from basic hatsu alone with no knowledge of using ten?
@@Certifiedprecog27809 I’m gonna assume probabaly purely based on the fact that someone like yuji was unaware of his cursed energy until he joined the world of sorcery, then learned to control it. Even if that specific logic doesn’t apply, it’s not like harsh would do much to him anyway because it should be a similar feeling to his malice being used to scare ppl. Like when he was stopping the sorcerers from moving under the meteor. Once again tho, even if not, it shouldn’t affect him because if I’m not confused, the whole argument about ppl dying to hatsu is stress related so it would be similar to a heart attack, and in jjk, a heart is abt as important as a finger with rct. Idk tho
Well Meruem is still leagues smarter than Sakuna he’s got more feats to back it up
@@jayleefarley6912 I mean sure. He is only days to weeks old if I’m not confused, but he still shows feats relative to sukuna in iq. Meruem becomes the best at strategy games in a matter of hours in a day outside of the game he plays with komuki, he instantly leaves how to use new techniques he absorbs, and gains an aptitude for nen control better than most in the verse. For reference tho, sukuna is in fact scalable to this. Sukuna upon simply awakening senses megumi’s potential ability. At 15 fingers he toys with maharaga, and learns his abilities very quickly, then it’s stated that his ce control is on par with gojo who specifically has a biological advantage that gives him better control. Casually learns cursed object manipulation after seeing it once. Builds a domain that doesn’t have a barrier, or a required space to substitute as a barrier. In jjk terms (like painting with the air as your canvas) or something along those lines. Masters ten shadows within a relative time upon getting it between minutes and hours to my knowledge. Uses said mastered ability to improve his own to cut space. I’m sure if I tried I could prolly do more for meruem, but to say it’s a leagues difference isn’t particularly fair. I do think meruem not only has potential to have been significantly stronger than sukuna, but also that his signs of iq was growing at a rate that sukuna wouldn’t be able to keep up w after thousands of years of life. Still close tho.
@@bromous1446That's what I love about Meruem, he was baisically a newborn and was still the most monstrously powerful character in the series. I'm terrified to imagine what he would become if he was alive even for just a year.
I feel like domain expansions sound way more like hacks then “this character can hit THIS HARD” lol.
I don't think Sukuna is exactly the representation of evil. It's more like he just does whatever he feels like doing at any given moment without any consideration for allegiance or morals in a selfish kind of way. Even his later team ups in the manga were with people who made contracts he only considers unwanted obligations he would have sooner killed them for if not for their goals being convenient.
He's more chaotic neutral than chaotic evil
evil is the opposite of what somebody else believes to be good
@@mell5428what happens when sukuna believes he isn’t evil?
Sukuna isn’t an embodiment of evil. He’s the embodiment of self indulgence. Same as all the top of the verse characters if u read between the lines, but no one does it like sukuna. The power system in jjk is fascinating because of how that works. Once u understand ur abilities, and decide to interpret it how u want to, that’s how u get more powerful. It’s the “I think therefore I am” philosophy.
hes both evil and indulgent. Even a special grade curse like jogo couldnt help but call sukunas sinister strength evil. Did you forget that he wanted to eat kids and women when he first came back into yujis body lol. @@bromous1446
no, eating kids and women in any reality is evil lol. @@mell5428
8:57 Yes because dagons shikigami definitely have island level ap
Toji could kill Meruem, what makes you think Sukuna couldnt lol
i have never seen such an outrageous take creating a domain is not relative to the force of the character 😭meruem dog walks
the wank is crazy bro.
Sukuna’s technique fillet and dissect sound a lot like the variation of Feitan’s ability mentioned by Phinks during the ant extermination. I’m not saying Meruem is stronger but his speed feat after consuming his 2 guards is pretty much instant transmission.
Please say dismantle and cleave 😂 I physically recoiled at fillet and dissect
finally someone that gets the speed of lightning and the speed of light are 2 diff things omg thank you so much bro you dont understand
you're using a lower estimate of Sukuna as well though that's the pretty hard to argue against line of scaling. he could be relativistic speeds based on a feat he showed against Kashimo's lightspeed attack which he was able to dodge. And if you start saying his output is similar to Yuki's who was able to create a black hole then it gets wild really fast how lopsided this could be if you go into a different line of scaling that isn't as clear. Meruem is to my understanding harder to high ball arguments for than sukuna.
you mean a bullshit line of scaling. just cause someone who has as much CE as yuki doesnt mean they are as strong as a black hole wow. i love jjk too but the wank is incredible out here. Meruem easily scales over 10x faster and stronger than sukuna, more ap... only thing arguable is sukuna having stamina and thats only due to meruem having the lack of stamina feats. Not that noone actually thinks the king will ever run out of nen.
@@bigmoneyshmoneymaker7697how does he scale higher than sukuna?
TBF, in Yuta’s fight they were spamming powerful Cursed Energy hungry attacks. For a normal Sorcerer they might have one or maybe two before before being drained, but these guys were spamming & fighting people near to equal power.
Sukuna dodges EM waves point blank while weakened JJK reaching the ftl levels of speed he blitzes and one shots
I wouldn’t say one shots
facts
outlier
@@SkeetWeet4368 Not really. The Mach 3 feat is more of the outlier, gege actually made a comment that Mach 3 didn't make sense as a top jjk speed in retrospect. Top sorcerers are shown to be fast enough to be in 2 places at once, sukuna himself basically teleports behind Megumi in the detention center and that was at 2 fingers. Kenny reacts to a black hole, sukuna is able to react to hollow purple, gojo moves from the bottom of the Japan trench to kenjaku pretty much instantly, etc. I'm not saying they're ftl but they're significantly faster than mach 3(which is a weird outlier).
And immediately after gets blitzed by lightning and just before sound. Which is why aim dodging visible light is much more likely.
The fact you scaling 15 fingers Sukuna over Meruem means the manga version of Sukuna stomps Meruem with Mahoraga
The ultimate determination hinges on the point that JJK practically revolves around Sukuna as an antagonist damn-near from the start. Meruem only got 1 arc and he was only in it for part of it. There's no way Meruem can win with such little development although it would have been interesting what he could have accomplished had he even began to explore Nen.
I could be wrong, but is the faster the sound Netero feat with him uaing nen, or without him using nen? I know he used nen to keep himself alive for those years, but his entire point of that exercise was to give thanks to martial art/nen. It'd be kinda contradictory to use nen to give thanks to nen. I couls be wrong, but I think him going super sonic was supposed to be a purely physical feat.
9:15 Gojo doing this over a few months ≠ Gojo being capable of outputting that energy in a single attack 💀
What he did is a multi city block per second feat and puts his CE output around those levels. The wank is crazy! Ngl it's like me using a one-second island level volley from the gun devil and then times the energy by the number of seconds in a few months and then act like a single bullet can do that 💀
Yes Sukuna win, that's obvious, we are talking about a guy that will cleave your hands instantly in close combat, FTL by dodging electromagnetic waves in a critical condition (99.997% of the speed of light) from Kashimo, with a domain expansion where only (Gojo, Mahoraga) were able to survive, no need to talk about WDC barrage for fast characters... Sukuna is not that character you think you will take in a fight and think you will survive if you are not able to heal faster even if you are immortal he can kill you (Jogo treatment is clear for Meruem, cleave both his hands and dismantle his head, durability cannot survive the domain, it's proved in the manga with Gojo and Mahoraga method to survive):
- Offense: Cleave, dismantle, WDC, fire, domain.
- Defense: Domain amplification (sheathing his body in an empty space to let the attack flow and being nullified, surviving purple 🟣 a matter erasure technique with this defensive two times), RCT (very fast healing technique).
- Battle IQ, IQ: he can copy your skills with one sight (he cannot copy your innate technique).
- Durability: physical durability and energy reinforcement are useless against Sukuna unless you can hide in another dimension.
- Hax: no need to say anything.
Thinking Blast that just destroy mountain will make a difference is crazy when the guy is cutting buildings like butter 🧈 with his normal dismantle and reinforced cleave (whatever the blast can be cut by Sukuna, anything in space, in the world, in existence will be cut down)....Meruem didn't agree with this fight and I understand him, the King of curses is a real menace.
Before watching the video imma say this right now even though it would be tough I think Toji vs Meruem is more plausible. Like everyone says before the more recent chapters of JJK I would say this was a good matchup but yeah... rip Meruem.
Hisoka would destroy toji
@@sesamekitten5724absolutely fucking not lol. Toji is AT LEATS on Pitou's level
@@Omallo-qp4oi pitou cleared two kilometers in his weakest form in like 2 seconds. Absolutely blitzes toji
I mean bro king of ant isnt even the end game villan tho. He is just somewhere in the middle level of threat. Sukuna on the other hand is the Last boss.
One thing to add on Sukuna is that he was able to dodge an EM Wave from kashimo, so he’s been calculated to be 5x the speed of light, but jjk scaling is weird.
Fr but some kids don't understand, that anime jjk is purely based on hax
Well 2x the speed of light seems more consistent unless the EM wave is faster than light.
The thing with JJK speed is Gege clearly doesn’t do much in the way of calculations when working stuff out, the only definitive statement is Naoya being Mach 3, and well since all the speed feats aren’t consistent to each other anyway i just take the word of the author at face value and accept that Mach 3 is just the high end of the verses speed, it’d be different if that one statement contradicted a load of feats but it don’t since none of the feats really support each other, I just gonna trust the author here since he clearly thinks Mach 3 is top tier speed in the story he wrote
@@josephapsey9965Gege on one of his author comments also said his Mach 3 Statement didn't make sense. It'll for sure be one of those things that gets removed from the anime in the future
Sukuna doesn't need a nuke.
To add on; Meurem wouldn’t really be able to escape Sukuna’s domain.
Sukuna revealed that he can change the conditions of his domain, and can even make a closed barrier domain if he chooses so. It’s just that an open domain is pretty much guaranteed to beat a closed domain in a domain battle if the users are relative.
Sukuna even mentioned to Gojo when he believed Gojo could t use domain anymore, that he would cast a closed domain to prevent Gojo from escaping and kill him, but he misjudged the damage unlimited void dealt to his brain and so couldn’t cast his domain either.
So even if Meurem managed to escape the first open domain, Sukuna would realize this, and simply cast a closed off domain to prevent an escape and would kill Meurem.
i agree Sukuna beats meruem
“The issue people have is it’s a creation feat not a destruction feat but why create it if the benefits don’t outweigh the cost”
“Why would he waste so much energy creating it if he couldn’t output that much force as well”
The benefits are a environmental boost and mainly the sure hit
Someone can survive multiple site hits but still be doomed because sure hits are just that good that’s why domains are basically a auto win even if you’re domain doesn’t have oneshot hacks
CTs basically have the same output in and out of a domain; the benefit is the sure hit not a boost to AP
Creation feats regularly outshine destruction feats for instance when Choso fills a whole area with a flood of blood but can’t destroy that same area with more blood volume by orders of magnitude than the normal environment
It seems easier to create things than to destroy things
Where does it say that creating a mountain is as hard as destroying a mountain
Where does it outline the creation mechanics at all
You’re just assuming a 1:1 when it could be that all the costs are in the barrier and the manifestation of someone’s innate domain found just come from the soul for free. My point is that this is never explained you’re just assuming shit.
I still think Sakuna is stinger though because of the Gojo could power an entire country statement and other things
The issue is that sukuna is 5 to 10 times faster than meruem. If there speed were equivalent I would give it to meruem since I could make the case that sukuna would never catch meruem under his domain expansion. I believe that due to meruem intelligence it would take 3 domain expansion for sukuna to defeat him
This literally makes 0 sense? You know Domains have sure hit effects ..
@@ZACHFAIRVII have you seen meruem regeneration ability? Don’t you think that he can break out of the domain once or twice or don’t you think he’ll have the intelligence to understand when sukuna is initiating his domain? So he could dodge it like Yuji dodged mahitos domain
@@lordaddison5690 no because a sure hit effect means you loose, that’s the whole point of a domain & Yugi broke mahito domain not dodge it
@@ZACHFAIRVII please go watch the Miahito versus Nanami and UG fight again you can clearly see that Nanami got caught under the domain expansion, but UG dodged the domain expansion. You can literally see UG dodging the domain expansion.
@@ZACHFAIRVII ** spoiler** yes it’s a sure hit effect, but didn’t you see Gojo using reverse curse technique to heal himself while getting slashed. Meruem healing ability are on par with gojo healing ability so if Gojo can Meruem can as well.
10:30 You can't prove he moved at the same time as the bolt. Because lightning arcs to the path of least resistance, and it hits his arm; therefore his arm is the path of least resistance. Meaning, Hakari wouldn't need to move his head out of the way in order to not die.
This idea is supported by Hakari being completely unable to move at all before Kashimo snipes him from behind with lightning. Mind you, just because Hakari was hit from behind doesn't mean he couldn't have reacted because sorcerers can perceive via CE in any direction and Kashimo's bolt is just his CE.
The second time he got hit, he would've been moving relative to his head exploding. Not the bolt.
This is wrong. Please go read the scene again
@@captainb.mccrea5480 I'm reading… and I don't see the problem.
Can you actually state an argument?
Realistically, if we put Meruem in the JJK verse, he would gradually and quickly build himself up with his intelligence and eating ability to Become the strongest character.
He’s never surpassing Gojo or Sukuna
@@captainb.mccrea5480 Cap
@@BloopSuperJuice not cap buddy stop doing splits on it.
@@Ghostyboydead its cap
@@BloopSuperJuiceNah your glazing is too much, meruem is never touchig gojo or sukuna.
Meruem is smart enough to figure out the counter to Sukuna's domain is to literally go inside of Sukuna (pause), something he's capable of. The problem with this fight is that Meruem is equal to or faster than Sukuna, his en makes it so he always understands what is around him and what is happening, and he can divide himself. Meruem would understand immediately how far Sukuna's domain extends, and that it is attacking everything besides Sukuna himself. The closer Sukuna is, the better for Meruem.
Sukuna slams🥱Sukuna is anywhere from lightning speed via scaling 2 lightspeed/FTL (maybe, I'm not entirely convinced. Feel free 2 convince me) and with that reality/space/space-time cutting dismantle, its a loss 4 Mereum, who is a good villain ngl🗿
no one in jjk is consistently above lightning speed
@@SkeetWeet4368 Well, agree 2 disagree🤷♂
I guess it rlly depends how u scale since so much of jjk is basically subjective. Noaya reached peak Mach 3 according to maki, but it’s disproven by her blatant reaction to bullets when she was exponentially slower. I think lightning reaction is consistent, but lightning speed is not. However Mach 3 is also not consistent. It’s only a fair assumption that sukuna and gojo scale consistently to lightning speed, but not higher. And only maybe light speed reactions, but even then is a big stretch because gojo got perception blitzed by space cut.
@@bromous1446I mean kenjaku was moving with a black hole and could of escaped.
Even Light can not escape black holes so seeing kenjaku can means sukuna should be able to.
@@tonggtiei that’s not what happened. There’s no proof he moved within it. The only proof there is that he reacted once he pieces together yuki’s plan and saw the build up, then used his ce that was able to disrupt it before it had the chance to destroy him. It’s not an ftl feat, it’s more of a hax/intelligence feat. It was a deductive response, not a direct reaction to a black hole. If kenjaku’s ftl, that means base choso is as well, and just no to that.
Meruem:”you’re strong sukuna, stand proud”
I think Meruem is definitely more durable than Sukuna but he just doesn't have the hax or AP to beat Sukuna, so he'd lose. Sucks that we never got to see him develop a hatsu and increase his nen because he was an absolute monster despite being only being like 1 month old at the time of his death, I think in a few years he could completely eclipse anybody in JJK given his insane talent.
Mareum maybe if he lives Just like sukuna 1000 years I think it's not impossible he can be as strong as goku
No sukuna has tanked hallow purple which gege stated to be as fast as light and gojos new ability unlimited hollow was a nuke and all of those attack barley did anything to him and sukuna was holding back
meruem is NOT tanking a 200% hollow purple, and that only managed to do surface level damage to sukuna, which he regenerated from like it was no big deal
@@AaronMcLendon-nz2fh The unlimited hollow is not equivalent to a nuke imo, it destroyed a handful of buildings that's not nuke level and it severely damaged Sukuna too. Also Hollow Purple is basically the same as Netero's zero hand and that did nearly zero damage to Meruem. Meruem is definitely more durable, he just can't regenerate like Sukuna
@@4nnd711 Yes he would take a 200% HP, he took Netero's Zero Hand which is basically just a (probably) weaker version of HP with zero damage, I'd expect the same from even a 200% hollow purple. And again I said he's more durable than Sukuna, obviously Sukuna can take more damage because he can regenerate, Mereum can't but regeneration is not the same as durability.
I'm gonna read Jjk after the adaptation of the shibuya arc ends. I want to read the manga sometime before it comes to a close in 2023.
Meurem cant overcome Mahoraga. Meurem is just Toji with a tail and a kamehameha.
muzan > mahoraga > sukuna > meruem
An awakened Toji who tanked a low-level nuke pre-awakened. He is 40 DAYS old. He would have beaten Sukuna if not for the plot powered dimension cleave.
@@master-oh6zn I think you mean Gojo, not Toji. Those two are vastly different characters.
@@Dave_of_Mordorsukuna defeated mahoraga in shibuya by15 fingers
@@mimittadidi2674 and yet 19 fingers sukuna couldn't even beat gojo. he needed mahoraga to beat him
I would definitely say that saying Soukouna is around the same speed as Meram is a stretch, specially, with the intent of the author. There was only a couple slip ups. It was pretty obvious. He wanted them to only be like speed of sound and slightly faster, but I digress.
Damn!! I thought Meruem would win this, I had no idea Sukuna was this strong😅.
Meruem would win if this wasn’t him just being a day born. Give him one day to learn curse energy and eat ppl in jjk and it would be over for the jjk verse.
@@srzarz3017right! that mf is op just give him time
@@srzarz3017that’s just completely wrong. Gojo and Sukuna destroy Meruem with low difficulty
Remember Meruem is just a baby
sukana wins
The part at the beginning of the video where he starts talking about hxh where he says he can beat Goku is wild
I wonder if we could make that argument that meruem could see sukuna's dismantle and adapt to it, creating a nen contract that gives him the same ability, granted current sukuna decimates just because he has no way around the space-rending slashes.
Considering most Jujutsu Sorcerers can’t see Dismantle, I find it unlikely Meruem could at defeault. Besides Sukuna is equally good if not better at copying and adapting to things
@@Professor_Fiction i feel like he wouldn't need to see it in order to copy the ability though, meruem would certainly be smart enough to figure out his ability.
"the king of curses vs the king of ants" 💀
Seeing these 2 incredibly strong characters constantly try to speed blitz each other would be funny
After the latest chapters it’s safe to say sukuna solos
The Meruem slander in these comments is wild. Post-rose mereum is definitely 15Fsukuna/Gojo levels. Of course JJK has more hax skills, but still y'all are silly.
He’s more so closer to Disaster Spirit level
The dude could travel miles in seconds. The fight between him and Netero was colossal and was within the span of a few minutes. I'd put that at or above Gojo's full speed. @@Professor_Fiction
The speed I used for Sukuna in this video was not even close to the highest speed scaling there is. Still, you go this route and Meruem’s raw power just can’t compete
@@Professor_Fictionit can compete
the things is one is a old man and one is a newborn baby who didn't live for 6 months to grow to his full potential i find it impressive from meruem to be that strong and smart without knowing much imagine if he lived for 5years he'll get even stronger and smarter but sukuna win this because meruem didn't have time to grow to his full potential
sukuna smashes meruem and it's not even funny 😂😂😂
The fact he used a Gotham chess Chili’s
Is killing me 😭
I Find it Hilarious when he Compared Their Titles, "The King of Curses & The King of Ants." with no Context that would sound like a fight that isnt even close😂
you are underestimating meuem
if it is rather close. the fact that meruem was only like 40 days old when he died and hadn't even properly conceived a nen abilty yet (like jajanken or killua's lightning amp) is pretty wild. If post rose meruem somehow survived and got to develop his abilities more he would be an absolutte monster. not saying he could become strong enough to defeat sukuna for sure but I think he had the potential to become an absolute monster. even more than he already was. heck just "testing out" his rage cannon destroyed a mountain. who knows how much he was holding back with that blast
Idk from where you took the tnt scaling thing, but sounds really headcannon, no hate.
I mean, you really want scaling, why don't you take in consideration the fact that Uvogin caused an earthquik just by yelling? Or the fact that he created an meteor area dmg with a punch? Bcs as far as I know, based feats, Jogo destroyed some buildings and his meteor, the same. (Not to mention the fact that even base Panda dodge it from an stupidly close zone, and not to mention also, Sukuna confirmed it could harm him, that meteor).
Yes, Sukuna would win in the end bcs of dismantle or even domain expansion. But...Sukuna doesn't come remotely close to strengh in hand to hand with Meruem. Meruem outscales badly in strengh category. As I said, Sukuna takes the W, clear. But you put a lot of accent in a category that, Meruem is just leagues above.
There isn’t a single vs battle on yt wich ends with meruem winning. My man is catching only L’s
cuz mfs do him dirty all the time. putting him up against monsters.
9:55 Why can't Yuji be off guard and couldn't react because he wasn't expecting it? Considered piecering blood is only supersonic at the beginning? Implying it's subsonic to transonic later?
It's lame that people think "of this guy can make a bigger explosion so the person with the bigger one wins." i mean, honestly, people forget how merium in less than 20 seconds traveled hundreds of miles, and not once did this man even mention that meriums exoskeleton defense is so high that the only way sukuna could damage him is with that slice that can cut infinity. And he cant just use that freely as he wants. merium might get one hit by that ability if it lands but saying post rose merium is 5-10X weaker then sakuna who does not have megumi power is beyond false and makes absolutely no sense
Most of what you just said literally isn’t true and didn’t happen
@Professor_Fiction you see what I am saying, tho? You're over reaching for sukuna and underreaching for merium the only thing I said that may not be true is the distance he traveled which I say hundreds of miles in seconds, which if I reach the way you were reaching make sense because why? The main cast did not see a nuke did not hear a nuke did not reel the nuke? And he went back from that battle damn near instantly and then utterly blitz everyone in the area instantly with basically no time delay. If you gonna use every thing in the book to make sukanu stronger make sure you do it for the Opposition is all I am saying
I don’t think I reached at all. If anything I lowballed Sukuna’s speed due to recent manga feats, and used higher end calculations of Meruem’s explosion. You saying Meruem traveled hundreds of miles in seconds is literally a lie. The characters literally said it would take several minutes, and it’s never confirmed how far the castle is. Even then, the speed I gave to Meruem is more impressive. Traveling hundreds of miles in seconds is not as good as being Mach 200 or moving at the speed of lightning
@Professor_Fiction 1. you said pre megumi, so that has nothing to do with this conversation.
2. the rose bomb on a low end was 193 megatons given a couple sources I've looked up. if the tsar Bomba that was dropped on Hiroshima was only 50 megatons and the flash and vibrations could be felt for over 1000km then something more then 3X as strong on a low end was not seen or felt by a single person in the castle then what does that tell you? It tells me they were Minimum hundreds of miles away. You could argue they were underground, so the shock and flash were suppressed. But even still, shaiapouf said it would take him less than 5 minutes, but meruem got there significantly faster than shaiapouf thought he would. Also maybe this is just me but you can't just base who is stronger given speed feats and explosion feats I mean think about it, yuji who could get beyond blitzed by most all stronger people in jjk shibuya and up but all of a sudden with a 2 month time skip he can go beyond faster then Mach 500 and keep up with sukuna? Nah, there is no way. It's almost like they give feats to people like, maki who can grab bullets just for the cool factor, and the same for sukuna, just cause it's cool... or because they are not going dumby in depth for the exact science because that'd make most all Shonen story's garbage
@Professor_Fiction oh and 3. the only way to have definitive awnser at speed would be to ask the authors cause if you tell them these stats 1 thing I guarantee is they would just laugh and say no they are not that fast I mean think about it you're saying these people are moving well beyond 370,000 miles per hour and I can assure you that is not the case
Julius novachrono vs Minato pleasee
8:50 because the attacks are guaranteed and can potentially be an insta-win if you're someone like Mahito 💀 it's Incredibly challenging to escape and amped Dagon's stats to be comparable to a nerfed Naobito who while healthy was completely blitzing him.
A domain completely resolved that problem, so I don't see why you're acting like the benefits don't out way the costs. If it was almost all their energy then yeah maybe, but it's only half, allowing them to still fight and probably even use a maximum since Jogo doesn't deny being able to use domain after his maximum.
You've just admitted it uses half their energy, so unless you can prove their normal attacks use equivalent or relative energy, they shouldn't scale.
I though domain expansion only worked on those with cursed energy. Is Meruem capable of carrying cursed energy if he does not feel any emotions.
But he does feel emotions, we literally saw him develop a familial love for komugi
Most domains can only target people with cursed energy, not sukunas tho when he opened his domain in Shibuya it cut apart everything and everyone in it, even inanimate objects
For the first time, and for the first time in 1000 years I felt fear watching this video
Imagine Meruem as old as Sukuna, he would probably have so much conditional nen abilities or greater amount of aura than the combination of an entire country.
Opening a domain being scaled to a character’s AP is head canon. Your argument implies that it doesn’t make sense for their AP to be less than the force it takes to create a domain but that’s not even the point of domains in the first place. It’s the guaranteed hit. That’s why Dagon couldn’t immediately kill Nanami or Maki. Unless you’re implying their durability could tank mountain level attacks.