Oh yeah just so everyone knows, the new voice lines for Vs Saxton Hale were already a part of the mod. It wasn't Valve hiring a replacement. My point was that Valve very easily could have hired the actual voice actors to replace the lines if they were set on adding it as a new mode.
The worst part of it is that they HAD the VAs for at least 6 of the characters COME IN TO THE STUDIO...TO RECORD VOICELINES...for the new emotes. (Also I think the administrator VA was there too but IDK what she recorded) Edit, in case anyone's wondering: People who I know they had in: Robin Atkin Downes (Medic), Dennis Bateman (Pyro, Spy), Gary Schwartz (Demo, Heavy), John Patrick Lowrie (Sniper), and, I'm pretty sure, Ellen McLain (Administrator) People who they didn't/I don't know about: Grant Goodeve (Engi), Nathan Vetterlein (Scout), Rick May (Soldier, RIP) If they did have the full cast come in, they could probably have hired Nolan North for Soldier, since he played both Soldier and Engi for Expiration date
It is still labeled as Community, so if I had to guess it probably will be in itself fully reworked to not need vscript or a sourcemod like player destruction was, Which will probably be when they get the official voice actors for most of the classes, or they’ll just get them later, if we’re being realistic it was probably a scheduling issue that would either delay other fixes and preparations with the update, delaying it
@@Thomas-vn6cr so your tellin me you think the 2 team members (1 being the manager) risking possibly their jobs to push out a update, did it to not do it anymore? cause they always had that option
Yeah, no. Even though it is pretty impressive, you can clearly tell that he can't exactly hit the correct pitch, and some of the deliveries come out very off, especially for Spy. It is nice that we are getting new voice lines though
The "new" lines are from the mod since the first iteration, basically the creator of VSH made everything so it's not Valve fault for using that VA for all the new lines
It's just that it is 100% Valve's choice to add the mod. So it is on them when theyre the ones who approve of what gets in the game. Like I said in the vid, it comes off as kinda amateurish approving of impressions of the characters when they absolutely could have hired the voice actors if the new lines were needed.
@@SquimJimIt sounds kinda amateur and lazy from Valve but I think even if Valve wanted to do official voice lines from the official voice actors it still wouldn't be perfect, simply because they did the lines we love almost 20 years ago and they're losing their abilty to do it. Robin can still do a very nice Medic and Spy voice and Scout's voice actor is still on point, but like Heavy's voice actor can only still kinda do a Heavy even tho he also did the Demoman voice lines and The Administrator also sounds really different nowdays.
Can we appreciate the guy who did impressions of the 9 playable classes? Like he has a lot of talent. And maybe in the future he can do a perfect impression Edit: wow i actually didn't expect my comment to blow up. Thx for 1.7k likes :)
Any video game company in the world would give ANYTHING to have game like TF2 on their hands A game that after 12 years STILL can give up to 70-90k online players everyday and STILL brings a shit ton of money Yet Valve just kinda casually abandoned it and refuses to add even a 0.1% effort into updates from their part What a damn shame this is
yea that's the problem with tf2 being owned by valve...they make most of their money from selling games made by other people and community market taxes, there's literally 0 incentive for them to actually put effort into anything...csgo is their biggest money maker, they could straight up delete it from the face of the planet and they'd still make billions from the other stuff lol
Except the voice actors have been getting together and doing community things a lot recently. Just valve not taking the time or money to get the voice actors to do a couple lines.
Can we just mention how near fuckin' perfect the impressions are? First time I heard Scout, I didn't even realize, and lets not get started on how well everyone else was done. Obvious impression or not, I am fucking stunned at how incredible of a job that guy pulled.
Yeah, the guy who did them did a great job, especially considering he did all nine. I wouldn't think anything of it if not hearing them directly side by side.
@@RoyaLotad Eh, Scout and Soldier were the only ones I thought were super close to their voices (scout a smidge less). Demo and Heavy sounded like early takes, same with med. To me, the rest were off a bit too much.
Y'know, it might not be the "update-sized update" we were expecting and/or hoping for, but it is the biggest (non-holiday) update we've gotten in a long while. I'm just glad we got it at all.
@@HB-fq9nn Yea kinda, but I mean like an actual, non-holiday themed update. There's just been a bunch of Smissmas and Halloween lately. (And everything that comes out then is usually Smissmas and Halloween-themed respectively.)
The only difference between a major sized update and this update is new weapons or rebalance, and personally, we dont need new weapons, and when they do add new stuff, its at most 3-4 items with 1 being decent. We’re not missing anything to this pretty huge update.
@@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 This update is advertised as the TF2 Summer 2023 update. This is still a holiday themed update, like the previous Summer update events.
A "day 2-ish" update may still be realistic. As it's not unusual for Valve to release an update to fix most of what is broken in the first release of the actual update a few days later. So, them just throwing in community fixes there just to make sure that all non-map-fixes are rolled out together seems possible.
@@konah4547 Jungle Inferno (and many old TF2 updates) showed off the new content over the course of a few days, usually 3, but all the content dropped all at once on the final day, including maps, hats, items and fixes.
so ive heard that they were having some issues with the fixes and that thet were gonna have to input the fixes in another update if they wanted the update out this summer
Since this update has had the most players TF2 has ever had, I would definitely expect them to improve on this in the next Summer Update to the point that we might even get a major update again. Also, *SEAL*
This update nearly doubled peak player count. Recently the peak count reached 250K while the last peak count was in 2021 when it reached 150K. Considering that some of these can be both this is great.
"guys, have you read your contract?" "what the FUCK is a contract" "uh, he can punch your head off if you don't do wel-" *head explodes* "less talking, more shooting!"
Someone reached out to Eric Smith at Valve recently and he mentioned that most of the fixes (not community fixes from the workshop though) they added were from emails that were sent, and they plan to add the workshop fixes in future updates. Which kinda sucks because they said they were gonna add them THIS update, but at least we will eventually get them.
Except the obvious missing person, which is unfortunate. I suppose if they had and wanted to, they could keep the impressions guy as soldier. I know some people think that replacing a VA like this is disrespectful to the original one, but I think it'd be fine.
@@nikeiyomiuri2728 Last I saw of him he was streaming on twitch. Its been a while though, so idk what hes up to now. His YT channel ChiliOfDestiny is pretty inactive currently.
A few things of note about the update: Vs Saxton Hale being removed: Casual servers apparently did not have Vscript enabled, so the gamemode wasn't even working. Community Fixes: An email from Eric Smith said that they are reviewing the community fixes to see if any of them can/should be included in future updates. I personally think this bring some merit to the idea of a day 2 or a part 2 update where it adds some fixes and the working gamemode.
To be fair, the VSH impressions are closer to the original actors than Engineer's voice impression in Expiration Date (Note: Valve was genuinely unable to rehire Engie's voice actor for Expiration Date)
It's very weird to see those new voices considering Sniper's VA recently posted he was at Valve recording some stuf... didn't discuss what of course will that eventually come as an actual surprise? im just kinda confused. it also feels off that Valve wouldn't contact the other VAs since they even do some skits within themselves in character, so they still have it in them
These maps are AMAZING. I've played like four, all as a soldier, and I had the most fun I ever had as a Soldier! It's insane how fun this game is when there is an open sky box and a lot of vertical movement. It just feels natural, instantly helped me to get on the top with pretty nice killstreaks
2fort is one of the worst maps for two reasons 1. tight, creeping corridors and an easily-defendable choke 2. OH MY GOD HEAVY TF2 HITS HIS HEAD ON THESE SKYBOXES
I like the fan made voice lines! I like them because they fit the character, not that they sound exactly like the og voice lines. I like them a lot. I’m really really hoping the community fixes will come later.
If I recall there are rumours going around that the community fixes are pushed back because changing the engine requires a lot of testing, Source Engine's core aspects is that everything works in tandem, change one thing it may change another. We can expect to see fixes, just not at the current time probably due to the sheer amount.
Regarding the new voice lines, yes they are noticeably different when listened to, but for me at least they're close enough that in the middle of a game when there's a lot going on and I'm not focused on the specific vocal patterns, the difference is much less noticeable, if at all. Except Sniper, that one I noticed immediately.
Scout, Engie, and all the support classes stood out to me immediately. Demo and Heavy sound VERY close. Soldier sounds notably different from Rick May but passable enough, especially in his absence. It's still bizarre they included the mod's original impressions when Valve can throw their chump change money at getting the official VAs to redub them, *especially* when they've been active recently and shown they're still interested in TF2, Engie's original voice actor and ofc Rick May notwithstanding.
Agreed. I mean, the competitive mode's voice-lines (which are official) are much more jarring than the VSH ones, since they were done in 2015/2016 after all and really showed the age of the game.
Apparently because of the work involved in doing both the community fixes AND the new features for map makers that will let them do awesome custom things, the fixes are delayed, but coming soon
I have a feeling they'll polish the new Saxtol Hale mode; it just doesn't feel right, at least for me. And yeah, I'm expecting a lot of community fixes because that's what I care about the most, and all of the fixes on the workshop I upvoted and added to my favourites, hoping they'll all get added. No hate for the update; I'm happy we got some new toys to play with.
The guy who makes all the impressions is actually a youtuber, his username on the platform is McGuinnsBook and he's good at doing all 9 impressions in my opinion, he has been doing it since quite a while, but I wonder why valve wanted him instead of the voice actors because they were quite fond on making more TF2 content in the past months. Edit: VS Saxton Hale mode apparently wasn't made by Valve and rather is made purely by the community so I guess that takes a role into the reason why original voice actors couldn't be there
Community fixes are on the way. Eric Smith, one of the two devs working on TF2, stated in an email that was posted on r/tf2 that they are currently looking at community fixes right now. I fully expect to see a Summer part 2 update in a few weeks.
This is about my opinion on it too. It feels like a major update stuffed into a minor one, if that makes any sense. Like, I appreciate the maps, and from what I've played, they all play well and don't appear to be hugely buggy. But if you needed proof that Valve don't do anything for TF2, then VSH is your smoking gun. Impersonations of voice actors instead of the real deal, it broke on release, and a seeming lack of interest of making a fanfare about it. Hell, it just released at an...odd time of day. As if they wanted it out the door.
Did everyone forget that some of the VAs can barely do the character voices anymore? Rick is gone, Engie can't do it. Heavy's VA can barely do it (poor guy is in his 70s, leave him be). The most likely one would be Medic's but still.
@@corrinvondrachen1097 Heavy's VA can still do Heavy, it's Demoman he has trouble with. Spy, Pyro, Sniper, Scout, Heavy, Medic, Heavy, Saxton Hale and The Administrator are all still very much able to do their voices.
TF2 has been getting updates longer than any other game in video game history. The fact we get anything anymore is something we should all be very grateful about.
2:19 omg That’s me!! I remember seeing your name there but I assumed it was just someone using your name lol. It’s an honor to have fallen to your Ubersaw sir lol
For non voice actor voice lines, they’re pretty damn good I have to say. even if they’re not the OFFICAL VA’s, I’d say they do a very serviceable job, I’d even elevate it to a “great” job
Tbf: the saxton hale community impression guy did do a fucking great job with those impressions! They sound good for the most part, and in a couple cases sound like the classes normally with slightly clearer sound quality
as far as i heard(it was on reddit so take it with a grain of hale) that everything is just community made valve just added it in. which is why the voice actors were change for this. because it was made by a fan aka the creator of saxton hale
No yeah that was how it was done. Valve didn't hire a replacement for the voice actors or anything. Those lines were part of the community mod. My point was more that Valve has the power and the contacts to easily hire the actual voice actors to redo the lines and them not doing that made it come across as amateurish on their end.
I must say that guy did a really good job with the voices, they sound really, really good, I barely can notice the difference, but I think it's disrespectful to the official Voice actors (Rest in peace Rick May).
I think it is a pretty nice thing we actually got the update, the war paints are the best they have ever been and the cosmetics are fine, the seal map is GOAT and the others too, i just dont like the Payload ones because they all are too big for their own good Also yes, i also am waiting for a day 2 update that hopefully adds all of the community fixes
I think the goal for the community is to keep expectations low and enjoy what they get. VNN said this update is by two Valve employees who worked on it on their available time and it shows.
I can't comprehend Valve's business decisions, the player count peaked at a quarter million for a game that hasn't seen an update in years and they refuse to do anything with it.
They scraped together a community update in guise of real content release. There is no one working on the team that has the passion or dedication to release a new set of weapons that need to be balanced with and against current weapons. Jungle inferno is about to be 7 years old . In 3 years that will a full decade since that last "rebalance".
@@StealingYourWiFi i actually just realized you're probably right...there's 0 passion or interest from the devs, if they were to release new weapons they would either stay completely broken or completely useless forever...it's better that we don't get any at all tbh. reksins like the awp would be cool tho
@@gerutzu575 Which is why it's hard to get excited about "content" for tf2. It's the same case drop and some new cosmetics lmao. That's fine i guess but glorifying cosmetics is no different than releasing a battlepass for this game. In the end valve continues to milk the "hope" out of this community and most players are dumb to realize it.
I'd rather see bad weapons get community balanced before we potentially bloat the roster with even more bad weapons since Valve can't balance for shit. And even then, that depends on who's idea of a re-balance is.
the maps are pretty great honestly, was a pain to figure out the seal map but OMG THE SEALS ARE ADORABLE, I NEED A PLUSHY OF ONE Do hope they release a follow up update for the saxton hale fixes, maaybe even reintegrate arena back into casual? seems anything is possible, do wish they atleast included a new weapon, like an all class melee symbolizing the fact we got a new TF2 update after... oh god 6 years?! either way maps are cool, no idea for the cosmetics, and saxton hale is borked ofc but cool, def hoping to check it out after it gets a fix
Glad to see Cashworks and Sulfur getting in. Cashworks had been standing around compleated for about 14 and a half years. While Sulfur is gona give Steel a run for its money with confusing players, with its koth/ad hybreed setup.
Adding a voiceline for the heavy saying "Im low on ammo" is all i ever wanted, thats my heavy update right there also they did say that they are gonna analize some of the community fixes and add them in the game so i expected to see that soon
And then spend 5 years balancing them to the point they just give up and just nerf them until they are joke weapons OR they just leave them on a completely broken state and just never touch them again.
1:44 for this you need to remember that the higher ups at valve don’t see much in TF2, And this update shot it to top 10 best sellers on steam, this was 100% a dip into the water for whats to come considering they put it on steam news and also considering the top 10 thing
By the way when versus Saxton Hale game-mode is back online again you probably could do with some bugbuster videos on him yeah well there's probably not many that is currently visible or available but you can try and see if you can find bugs with him or ones that people have encountered just wondering
Honestly just feels like, and starting to feel like this for a while now; Valve: "Heres the update! Look at all these maps! And even added in that Saxton Hale thing you guys love!" Community: "Aw man, look how many players we got now!" Everyone else: "Did ya fix anything?" Valve: " . . . bye!" Everyone & Community: "k..."
Just heard of the update from your video, and the new voice lines are really noticeable to me and hopefully if hey get enough backlash they will hire the original voice actors and redo them.
Hey Squimjim! It was awesome to bump into you on Rotunda! I've been a fan for a while now and I just wanted to say gg on that game. Can't wait to see the next video on the Summer Update! 6:46
I'm pretty sure if they asked, Scout's, Sniper's, and Medic's VAs woulda *loved* to partake. iirc Sniper's VA is the irl husband of another prominent VA for Valve Games. First name Ellen I think, forget her last. Actress for Announcer, GladOS, and The Overwatch.
while I have not been able to confirm any of this, I have heard two things: first, vavle broke a lot of the bots, at least in the north america region, by implementing checks to prevent multiple accounts from connecting from the same hardware/ip address, meaning it drastically reduced how many bots can be fielded. second is that community fixes are gonna be coming in a next couple weeks as a standalone patch.
Gonna mention this now, but they fixed the MvM upgrade station bug that was being abused by bots, and which prevented you from using the upgrade station at all
The weirdest part of the voice impressions is how active the TF2 actors have been. Maybe besides Nathan and obviously Rick all the other actors could've done their parts and they have even jokingly asked for work.
apparently the community fixes have been held back because obviously they were made for what is now an older version so they're having to take the time to do regression testing.
when the vsh maps are back, that’ll probably be the best time for some community fixes to be slipped in. So if we don’t get any then, then we probably won’t get any at all
This "update" disappointed me to no end They add new taunts and hats every few weeks, the map fixes are really minimal and fit into "didn’t know there was a problem until we acknowledged that there was a problem" And overall, it disappointed me greatly.
I obviously can’t blame them for not getting Rick May, but they could’ve contacted the voice actors. I will say, the impersonation guy did pretty good, especially on the scout Imma also pretend they are gonna get the official voice actors while the VSH maps are temporarily disabled.
the community fixes are likely coming in a few days along with patches for the *new* stuff. that's a common tactic in game design which valve does regularly
I genuinely cannot think of a single reason why they wouldn't go to the actual voice actors for this. They have demonstrated time and time again that they love playing these characters. I'm very angry at Valve for this. The only voice actor I could see them reasonably changing is soldiers.
The fact that they didn’t redub Sniper’s VSH lines when John Patrick Lowrie is currently at Valve voice acting for something is a very confusing choice.
This may be too optimistic but I am hoping the community fixes will be its own update midway through the summer update because of how many were suggested in the workshop.
Venice is my favorite map. It feels that it has enough flank space to fit entire 2fort map. I have done disgusting, unspeakable things on Venice as ninjaneer.
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Oh yeah just so everyone knows, the new voice lines for Vs Saxton Hale were already a part of the mod. It wasn't Valve hiring a replacement. My point was that Valve very easily could have hired the actual voice actors to replace the lines if they were set on adding it as a new mode.
The worst part of it is that they HAD the VAs for at least 6 of the characters COME IN TO THE STUDIO...TO RECORD VOICELINES...for the new emotes. (Also I think the administrator VA was there too but IDK what she recorded)
Edit, in case anyone's wondering:
People who I know they had in: Robin Atkin Downes (Medic), Dennis Bateman (Pyro, Spy), Gary Schwartz (Demo, Heavy), John Patrick Lowrie (Sniper), and, I'm pretty sure, Ellen McLain (Administrator)
People who they didn't/I don't know about: Grant Goodeve (Engi), Nathan Vetterlein (Scout), Rick May (Soldier, RIP)
If they did have the full cast come in, they could probably have hired Nolan North for Soldier, since he played both Soldier and Engi for Expiration date
uh i think someone said the fixes will be added in the next updates but im not sure
It is still labeled as Community, so if I had to guess it probably will be in itself fully reworked to not need vscript or a sourcemod like player destruction was,
Which will probably be when they get the official voice actors for most of the classes,
or they’ll just get them later, if we’re being realistic it was probably a scheduling issue that would either delay other fixes and preparations with the update, delaying it
Probably so Valve can then claim the community content is not received well and not a good idea amirite.
@@Thomas-vn6cr so your tellin me you think the 2 team members (1 being the manager) risking possibly their jobs to push out a update, did it to not do it anymore? cause they always had that option
The new voicelines are actually amazing coming from one guy, they are accurate, specially with demoman and heavy, the exception is scout
I don't think Heavy was on point, same with Sniper and Spy
spy kinda sounds like squilliam
Yeah, no. Even though it is pretty impressive, you can clearly tell that he can't exactly hit the correct pitch, and some of the deliveries come out very off, especially for Spy. It is nice that we are getting new voice lines though
True, but even some of the current voice actors don't sound like the old characters just due to time.
I'd say the scout was actually pretty good, and the problematic classes are the support classes
The "new" lines are from the mod since the first iteration, basically the creator of VSH made everything so it's not Valve fault for using that VA for all the new lines
It's just that it is 100% Valve's choice to add the mod. So it is on them when theyre the ones who approve of what gets in the game. Like I said in the vid, it comes off as kinda amateurish approving of impressions of the characters when they absolutely could have hired the voice actors if the new lines were needed.
@@SquimJim yeah or at the very least get any kind of proffessional voice acting
@@SquimJim But I kinda don't blame them just because there's only like 2 employees (acording to VNN) running the hole update. Maybe I'm too biased tho
@@SquimJimIt sounds kinda amateur and lazy from Valve but I think even if Valve wanted to do official voice lines from the official voice actors it still wouldn't be perfect, simply because they did the lines we love almost 20 years ago and they're losing their abilty to do it. Robin can still do a very nice Medic and Spy voice and Scout's voice actor is still on point, but like Heavy's voice actor can only still kinda do a Heavy even tho he also did the Demoman voice lines and The Administrator also sounds really different nowdays.
@@SnakeJuicewait, WE HAVE 2 DEVS/EMPLOYEES NOW??
Can we appreciate the guy who did impressions of the 9 playable classes? Like he has a lot of talent. And maybe in the future he can do a perfect impression
Edit: wow i actually didn't expect my comment to blow up. Thx for 1.7k likes :)
i mean he good but not the best
@@J-Starz123 ik. But he's pretty good at it.
@@J-Starz123 its all we got, but hey I apreciate the guy for really trying
9 classes and the voices for Grey Mann and saxton
11 Very solid Impressions, it's quite impressive.
Any video game company in the world would give ANYTHING to have game like TF2 on their hands
A game that after 12 years STILL can give up to 70-90k online players everyday and STILL brings a shit ton of money
Yet Valve just kinda casually abandoned it and refuses to add even a 0.1% effort into updates from their part
What a damn shame this is
CS:GO and Dota2 bring in tens of thousands of players on twitch, TF2 barely 100. Plus, the 2 above have more people buying keys
@@Labyrinth6000
1. 70-90k is tens of thousands.
2. TF2 has consistently been getting close to 150k every time a somewhat major update drops.
The code is a mess tho
yea that's the problem with tf2 being owned by valve...they make most of their money from selling games made by other people and community market taxes, there's literally 0 incentive for them to actually put effort into anything...csgo is their biggest money maker, they could straight up delete it from the face of the planet and they'd still make billions from the other stuff lol
valve gets enough money so they prob dont feel like doing anything since its pretty pointless
Personally, if I wasn't told, I would have assumed the new voices were just because the actors got older. They sound fine enough to me.
Except the voice actors have been getting together and doing community things a lot recently. Just valve not taking the time or money to get the voice actors to do a couple lines.
Ye, they sound passable
But also, yeah, the voice actors are still happy to help out in community stuff, so not sure why they would leave them out
@@S0ME_GUYgood luck getting rick may and grand goodeve
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 wait did something happen to grand goodeve?
@@SirWheatyI think it’s cuz he’s a celebrity, he’s pretty hard to get a hold of.
Can we just mention how near fuckin' perfect the impressions are? First time I heard Scout, I didn't even realize, and lets not get started on how well everyone else was done.
Obvious impression or not, I am fucking stunned at how incredible of a job that guy pulled.
Yeah, the guy who did them did a great job, especially considering he did all nine. I wouldn't think anything of it if not hearing them directly side by side.
@@RoyaLotad Eh, Scout and Soldier were the only ones I thought were super close to their voices (scout a smidge less). Demo and Heavy sounded like early takes, same with med. To me, the rest were off a bit too much.
@@blueberrimuffin6682they all sounded pretty solid to me.
spy and probably sniper are the only "bad" impressions imo. they're all pretty darn good, but i feel like spy's missed the most
@@wr3nche5 spy sounds like a different guy, but the voice for spy was so unique - designed to be without any accents on purpose.
Y'know, it might not be the "update-sized update" we were expecting and/or hoping for, but it is the biggest (non-holiday) update we've gotten in a long while. I'm just glad we got it at all.
The biggest update since Smissmas last year.
@@HB-fq9nn Yea kinda, but I mean like an actual, non-holiday themed update. There's just been a bunch of Smissmas and Halloween lately. (And everything that comes out then is usually Smissmas and Halloween-themed respectively.)
The only difference between a major sized update and this update is new weapons or rebalance, and personally, we dont need new weapons, and when they do add new stuff, its at most 3-4 items with 1 being decent.
We’re not missing anything to this pretty huge update.
@@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 This update is advertised as the TF2 Summer 2023 update.
This is still a holiday themed update, like the previous Summer update events.
A wise man one said: "you get what you get and you don't throw a fit".
A "day 2-ish" update may still be realistic. As it's not unusual for Valve to release an update to fix most of what is broken in the first release of the actual update a few days later. So, them just throwing in community fixes there just to make sure that all non-map-fixes are rolled out together seems possible.
An update for the update, if you will
Update: new things
Update: we fixed the update
Isn't that how Jungle Inferno released anyhow?
@@konah4547 Jungle Inferno (and many old TF2 updates) showed off the new content over the course of a few days, usually 3, but all the content dropped all at once on the final day, including maps, hats, items and fixes.
@@highway_roadkill Ah, thank you. I had joined after Jungle Inferno, so I didn't know how updates for TF2 usually went :P
so ive heard that they were having some issues with the fixes and that thet were gonna have to input the fixes in another update if they wanted the update out this summer
Since this update has had the most players TF2 has ever had, I would definitely expect them to improve on this in the next Summer Update to the point that we might even get a major update again.
Also, *SEAL*
Seal VS Snake from Snakewater when
This update nearly doubled peak player count. Recently the peak count reached 250K while the last peak count was in 2021 when it reached 150K. Considering that some of these can be both this is great.
seal hat??
HE IS HERE!
Hope Valve hires a second potted plant to work at tf2
I love snipers "He's here. RUUN!" line. Shows how utterly scared he is of Saxton, as he should be
"guys, have you read your contract?"
"what the FUCK is a contract"
"uh, he can punch your head off if you don't do wel-" *head explodes*
"less talking, more shooting!"
Australians are natural predators to New Zealanders.
Someone reached out to Eric Smith at Valve recently and he mentioned that most of the fixes (not community fixes from the workshop though) they added were from emails that were sent, and they plan to add the workshop fixes in future updates. Which kinda sucks because they said they were gonna add them THIS update, but at least we will eventually get them.
imma wake up and turns out rocket jumping was unintentional and the rocket jumper was a meme weapon
At least their holding on to their Promise..
Phoenix is a beautiful map. Also most of the original merc va’s are still around and I’m sure would be happy to help.
Except the obvious missing person, which is unfortunate. I suppose if they had and wanted to, they could keep the impressions guy as soldier. I know some people think that replacing a VA like this is disrespectful to the original one, but I think it'd be fine.
Scouts voice actor also quit voice acting which is sad but I'm pretty sure he went on to become a writer if I remember correctly
Some of the VAs cannot really replicate the voices anyone
@@nikeiyomiuri2728Wait, really? Damn.
@@nikeiyomiuri2728 Last I saw of him he was streaming on twitch. Its been a while though, so idk what hes up to now. His YT channel ChiliOfDestiny is pretty inactive currently.
A few things of note about the update:
Vs Saxton Hale being removed: Casual servers apparently did not have Vscript enabled, so the gamemode wasn't even working.
Community Fixes: An email from Eric Smith said that they are reviewing the community fixes to see if any of them can/should be included in future updates.
I personally think this bring some merit to the idea of a day 2 or a part 2 update where it adds some fixes and the working gamemode.
least scuffed gamemode (they forgor to enable the vscript for the vscript gamemode)
@@cewla3348to be fair that's not that surprising. vscript is still freshly implemented
stop spreading misinformation
vscript isnt disabled
if it was sulfur wouldnt work
To be fair, the VSH impressions are closer to the original actors than Engineer's voice impression in Expiration Date
(Note: Valve was genuinely unable to rehire Engie's voice actor for Expiration Date)
engi's voice actor is distancing himself (sad)
@cewla3348 its unfortunate, but it's his choice. His career has moved away from voice acting to my understanding
It's very weird to see those new voices considering Sniper's VA recently posted he was at Valve recording some stuf... didn't discuss what of course
will that eventually come as an actual surprise? im just kinda confused. it also feels off that Valve wouldn't contact the other VAs since they even do some skits within themselves in character, so they still have it in them
It was for Dota I think
John Patrick Lowrie voices like eight characters for Dota. I wouldn't put it past him if it was for that.
Maybe it didn’t feel right to do it without Rick?
Likely for another game like Dota2
ahh :( i see
i am 100% convinced venice was made by a sniper main. First point is almost impossible to attack and everything past it is a cheap wutville copy
honestly, for the new Merc voicelines in VSH, Demo, Heavy and Engie are actually pretty spot-on.
These maps are AMAZING. I've played like four, all as a soldier, and I had the most fun I ever had as a Soldier! It's insane how fun this game is when there is an open sky box and a lot of vertical movement. It just feels natural, instantly helped me to get on the top with pretty nice killstreaks
2fort is one of the worst maps for two reasons
1. tight, creeping corridors and an easily-defendable choke
2. OH MY GOD HEAVY TF2 HITS HIS HEAD ON THESE SKYBOXES
@@cewla3348 I personally prefer indoor maps.
I like the fan made voice lines! I like them because they fit the character, not that they sound exactly like the og voice lines. I like them a lot.
I’m really really hoping the community fixes will come later.
If I recall there are rumours going around that the community fixes are pushed back because changing the engine requires a lot of testing, Source Engine's core aspects is that everything works in tandem, change one thing it may change another. We can expect to see fixes, just not at the current time probably due to the sheer amount.
Regarding the new voice lines, yes they are noticeably different when listened to, but for me at least they're close enough that in the middle of a game when there's a lot going on and I'm not focused on the specific vocal patterns, the difference is much less noticeable, if at all. Except Sniper, that one I noticed immediately.
Scout, Engie, and all the support classes stood out to me immediately. Demo and Heavy sound VERY close.
Soldier sounds notably different from Rick May but passable enough, especially in his absence.
It's still bizarre they included the mod's original impressions when Valve can throw their chump change money at getting the official VAs to redub them, *especially* when they've been active recently and shown they're still interested in TF2, Engie's original voice actor and ofc Rick May notwithstanding.
Agreed. I mean, the competitive mode's voice-lines (which are official) are much more jarring than the VSH ones, since they were done in 2015/2016 after all and really showed the age of the game.
I also noticed Medic and Soldier immediately.
Apparently because of the work involved in doing both the community fixes AND the new features for map makers that will let them do awesome custom things, the fixes are delayed, but coming soon
I have a feeling they'll polish the new Saxtol Hale mode; it just doesn't feel right, at least for me. And yeah, I'm expecting a lot of community fixes because that's what I care about the most, and all of the fixes on the workshop I upvoted and added to my favourites, hoping they'll all get added. No hate for the update; I'm happy we got some new toys to play with.
I was expecting the community fixes more than anything to be fair. I hope they come soon
The guy who makes all the impressions is actually a youtuber, his username on the platform is McGuinnsBook and he's good at doing all 9 impressions in my opinion, he has been doing it since quite a while, but I wonder why valve wanted him instead of the voice actors because they were quite fond on making more TF2 content in the past months.
Edit: VS Saxton Hale mode apparently wasn't made by Valve and rather is made purely by the community so I guess that takes a role into the reason why original voice actors couldn't be there
the janitor at valve did their best on those voices bro
Community fixes are on the way. Eric Smith, one of the two devs working on TF2, stated in an email that was posted on r/tf2 that they are currently looking at community fixes right now. I fully expect to see a Summer part 2 update in a few weeks.
i imagine the summer update was just a teaser, and all the new content (non-map) comes in a themed update.
I agree that a part 2 is really likely. Maybe early or late August.
Nice to have some actual good hats that seem to belong in the universe
This is about my opinion on it too. It feels like a major update stuffed into a minor one, if that makes any sense. Like, I appreciate the maps, and from what I've played, they all play well and don't appear to be hugely buggy. But if you needed proof that Valve don't do anything for TF2, then VSH is your smoking gun. Impersonations of voice actors instead of the real deal, it broke on release, and a seeming lack of interest of making a fanfare about it. Hell, it just released at an...odd time of day. As if they wanted it out the door.
Did everyone forget that some of the VAs can barely do the character voices anymore? Rick is gone, Engie can't do it. Heavy's VA can barely do it (poor guy is in his 70s, leave him be). The most likely one would be Medic's but still.
@@corrinvondrachen1097 Heavy's VA can still do Heavy, it's Demoman he has trouble with. Spy, Pyro, Sniper, Scout, Heavy, Medic, Heavy, Saxton Hale and The Administrator are all still very much able to do their voices.
Ngl that impression guy did a solid job
TF2 has been getting updates longer than any other game in video game history. The fact we get anything anymore is something we should all be very grateful about.
Bro that intro is so cool
This Is the power of Updates
Just saw you in my lobby! love your channel as well, very interesting to watch and listen to.
as of recent Eric Smith of Valve dev fame confirmed community fixes are coming but slowly
They did actually made a day 2 update! It has the fixes they promised so I would like another (possibly short) video of that day 2 update!
2:19 omg That’s me!! I remember seeing your name there but I assumed it was just someone using your name lol. It’s an honor to have fallen to your Ubersaw sir lol
Yoo The voicelines were sick! Could barely hear any difference from the original on many of the classes!
DAMN, that guy who VA'd the 9 classes (with the exceptions of Scout, Medic, and Spy) were dead on.
For non voice actor voice lines, they’re pretty damn good I have to say. even if they’re not the OFFICAL VA’s, I’d say they do a very serviceable job, I’d even elevate it to a “great” job
Tbf: the saxton hale community impression guy did do a fucking great job with those impressions! They sound good for the most part, and in a couple cases sound like the classes normally with slightly clearer sound quality
as far as i heard(it was on reddit so take it with a grain of hale) that everything is just community made valve just added it in. which is why the voice actors were change for this. because it was made by a fan aka the creator of saxton hale
No yeah that was how it was done. Valve didn't hire a replacement for the voice actors or anything. Those lines were part of the community mod. My point was more that Valve has the power and the contacts to easily hire the actual voice actors to redo the lines and them not doing that made it come across as amateurish on their end.
I like the new voice lines for some of the classes, sure they don't exactly fit with the original, but they are still well done.
the guy making those impressions is goated with the sauce, especially his demoman (i could genuinely believe they were real voicelines)
I must say that guy did a really good job with the voices, they sound really, really good, I barely can notice the difference, but I think it's disrespectful to the official Voice actors (Rest in peace Rick May).
I think it is a pretty nice thing we actually got the update, the war paints are the best they have ever been and the cosmetics are fine, the seal map is GOAT and the others too, i just dont like the Payload ones because they all are too big for their own good
Also yes, i also am waiting for a day 2 update that hopefully adds all of the community fixes
I think the goal for the community is to keep expectations low and enjoy what they get.
VNN said this update is by two Valve employees who worked on it on their available time and it shows.
I was bracing myself for Sonic All-Stars Racing Transformed tier voice impressions of the mercs but that was like, more than impressive.
feel like a kid again seeing an after breakfast update video
I can't comprehend Valve's business decisions, the player count peaked at a quarter million for a game that hasn't seen an update in years and they refuse to do anything with it.
All the impressions were surprisingly solid!
Now we must all band together as a community and demand *A WEAPON UPDATE !*
They scraped together a community update in guise of real content release.
There is no one working on the team that has the passion or dedication to release a new set of weapons that need to be balanced with and against current weapons.
Jungle inferno is about to be 7 years old . In 3 years that will a full decade since that last "rebalance".
@@StealingYourWiFi Dude even if they added only a single new weapon to the game that isn't a reskin that alone would be enough to blow peoples minds
@@StealingYourWiFi i actually just realized you're probably right...there's 0 passion or interest from the devs, if they were to release new weapons they would either stay completely broken or completely useless forever...it's better that we don't get any at all tbh.
reksins like the awp would be cool tho
@@gerutzu575 Which is why it's hard to get excited about "content" for tf2. It's the same case drop and some new cosmetics lmao.
That's fine i guess but glorifying cosmetics is no different than releasing a battlepass for this game.
In the end valve continues to milk the "hope" out of this community and most players are dumb to realize it.
I'd rather see bad weapons get community balanced before we potentially bloat the roster with even more bad weapons since Valve can't balance for shit. And even then, that depends on who's idea of a re-balance is.
They could have gotten in Nolan North to do Engineer and Soldier, he voiced them in Expiration Date
"Stop enjoying that summer weather"
_..Enjoying?_ I live in the middle of a desert, summer is HELL.
the maps are pretty great honestly, was a pain to figure out the seal map but OMG THE SEALS ARE ADORABLE, I NEED A PLUSHY OF ONE
Do hope they release a follow up update for the saxton hale fixes, maaybe even reintegrate arena back into casual? seems anything is possible, do wish they atleast included a new weapon, like an all class melee symbolizing the fact we got a new TF2 update after... oh god 6 years?!
either way maps are cool, no idea for the cosmetics, and saxton hale is borked ofc but cool, def hoping to check it out after it gets a fix
Finally, an update sized update
Hopefully we do get a 'Fall Fixes' but sadly all we can do is wait
Glad to see Cashworks and Sulfur getting in.
Cashworks had been standing around compleated for about 14 and a half years.
While Sulfur is gona give Steel a run for its money with confusing players, with its koth/ad hybreed setup.
The community fixes are getting shipped, they’re just delayed. Just saying!
New hats, maps, fixes and a new game mode? Man, that's quite a heavy update
They should've gotten the OG VA for hale to do the "SAXTON HAAAAAAAALE!" when doing the charged punch
Crows need HUGS
Adding a voiceline for the heavy saying "Im low on ammo" is all i ever wanted, thats my heavy update right there
also they did say that they are gonna analize some of the community fixes and add them in the game
so i expected to see that soon
Elaborate?
Oi valve, we have like, a lot of community weapons on the workshop. So… like if you ever feeling adding *those* to the game, just say the word
And then spend 5 years balancing them to the point they just give up and just nerf them until they are joke weapons OR they just leave them on a completely broken state and just never touch them again.
that voice impression guy was spot on wtf. His spy was off and his sniper was a little bit off too but besides that, it sounds freakin perfect
1:44 for this you need to remember that the higher ups at valve don’t see much in TF2,
And this update shot it to top 10 best sellers on steam, this was 100% a dip into the water for whats to come considering they put it on steam news and also considering the top 10 thing
Honestly the impressionist of the 9 classes were really good
By the way when versus Saxton Hale game-mode is back online again you probably could do with some bugbuster videos on him yeah well there's probably not many that is currently visible or available but you can try and see if you can find bugs with him or ones that people have encountered just wondering
I'm honestly just excited that cosmetic "sets" are back, like the new 1910's gangster scout, sherlock holmes pyro, blast suit sniper etc.
For the voice lines, I feel like they may have had trouble getting the original actors back, scouts voice actor hasn't been heard from in a few years
Honestly just feels like, and starting to feel like this for a while now;
Valve: "Heres the update! Look at all these maps! And even added in that Saxton Hale thing you guys love!"
Community: "Aw man, look how many players we got now!"
Everyone else: "Did ya fix anything?"
Valve: " . . . bye!"
Everyone & Community: "k..."
Just heard of the update from your video, and the new voice lines are really noticeable to me and hopefully if hey get enough backlash they will hire the original voice actors and redo them.
Hey Squimjim! It was awesome to bump into you on Rotunda! I've been a fan for a while now and I just wanted to say gg on that game. Can't wait to see the next video on the Summer Update! 6:46
i think that the community fixes will come in second part with fixed vhs
Ok for one guy it’s the voice lines are not bad, but it feels like the Chinese knockoff of tf2
I'm pretty sure if they asked, Scout's, Sniper's, and Medic's VAs woulda *loved* to partake.
iirc Sniper's VA is the irl husband of another prominent VA for Valve Games. First name Ellen I think, forget her last. Actress for Announcer, GladOS, and The Overwatch.
while I have not been able to confirm any of this, I have heard two things: first, vavle broke a lot of the bots, at least in the north america region, by implementing checks to prevent multiple accounts from connecting from the same hardware/ip address, meaning it drastically reduced how many bots can be fielded. second is that community fixes are gonna be coming in a next couple weeks as a standalone patch.
He needs a "meet the saxton hale" video
Gonna mention this now, but they fixed the MvM upgrade station bug that was being abused by bots, and which prevented you from using the upgrade station at all
The weirdest part of the voice impressions is how active the TF2 actors have been. Maybe besides Nathan and obviously Rick all the other actors could've done their parts and they have even jokingly asked for work.
if all of these impressions are made by one guy then that's seriously impressive.
the fact that 1 guy was able to do pretty decent impressions of 9 different characters is pretty cool, even if not preferred
apparently the community fixes have been held back because obviously they were made for what is now an older version so they're having to take the time to do regression testing.
when the vsh maps are back, that’ll probably be the best time for some community fixes to be slipped in. So if we don’t get any then, then we probably won’t get any at all
This "update" disappointed me to no end
They add new taunts and hats every few weeks, the map fixes are really minimal and fit into "didn’t know there was a problem until we acknowledged that there was a problem"
And overall, it disappointed me greatly.
I obviously can’t blame them for not getting Rick May, but they could’ve contacted the voice actors.
I will say, the impersonation guy did pretty good, especially on the scout
Imma also pretend they are gonna get the official voice actors while the VSH maps are temporarily disabled.
lackcluster update with no comunity fixes.
The engineer and Demoman lines are pretty good honestly.
The seal animation is so good and so cute i love that seal
This update really gets me seal of approval!
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the community fixes are likely coming in a few days along with patches for the *new* stuff. that's a common tactic in game design which valve does regularly
Valve is gonna come out any second now and tell us we've been Ker-prank'd and reveal the huge tf2 project they've been working on. Any second now
holy shit actually all voicelines are pretty good, with the scout being the only sore thumb
I genuinely cannot think of a single reason why they wouldn't go to the actual voice actors for this. They have demonstrated time and time again that they love playing these characters. I'm very angry at Valve for this. The only voice actor I could see them reasonably changing is soldiers.
Of course they would have to change soldier
@@solomonpro414 theoretically they could also just not give him new lines if they wanted to avoid ever recasting characters
The fact that they didn’t redub Sniper’s VSH lines when John Patrick Lowrie is currently at Valve voice acting for something is a very confusing choice.
Im just glad there is something new
The voice lines are great, better than what most can do.
Remember Valve is a billionaire company.
@@thecuchikiller Remember, Valve don't care about us.
@@RIP2UALL Stop buying crates then.
@@thecuchikiller No, I like the hats.
One guy voicing all 9 characters, that must've been hell for him, that's for sure but I praise his effort.
This may be too optimistic but I am hoping the community fixes will be its own update midway through the summer update because of how many were suggested in the workshop.
Venice is my favorite map. It feels that it has enough flank space to fit entire 2fort map. I have done disgusting, unspeakable things on Venice as ninjaneer.