Imagine your car breaking something or you made a tiny mistake at the Masta Kink and you drive straight into the basement of the house there? Then imagine you survive crashing through the windows/walls to the basement, but the car is now inside a basement, upside down and fuel is pouring down over you with hot exhausts and a very hot engine right next to said fuel? This literally happened to Jackie Stewart in 1966 in F1 practice or the race, and he was hurt but not burnt as the fire didnt happen, but the ambulance still took > 1hr to get him safe.
I remember a video by Jimmy Broadbent where he said "to have a perfect entry here you have to aim for that telegraph post", and a commenter said "that's the perfect summary of 1960's F1".
In 1970, the F1 cars were 14 seconds slower than the 917s.The fastest lap in the race: Chris Amon 3.27.4 in a March-Ford. The 917: Pedro Rodriguez 3.16.5
I quote Wikipedia : "Once the Formula One Belgian Grand Prix was held 3 weeks later (a race that Rodriguez won for BRM), Formula One cars struggled to get within 12 seconds of this time; although there was a chicane at Malmedy Corner just for the F1 race."
man i love the old spa, i set myself a goal to reach 400kmh in almost every vehicle there and so far i only did it with the 2007 f1 ferrari. In general this track is awesome and challenginh but rewarding
Wtf I have been whatching this videos for some months and I just realize that the channel has less than 10k subs, WTF. Man, all the efort that you put making this videos it's a lot. Really entertaining and interesting content, hope you reach to more motorsport fans
Haha thanks, the positive aspect is that I can still have a look to each individual comments ! As I said to someone raising the same comment, even with 1 sub I would make the videos anyway :)
@@fabulouscarcharts5467It would be nice to have a discord server of the channel, saying the theme of next videos and expading the community of crazy cars comparison
Ha ha, actually I couldn't resist to test it, but the time is a bit deceiving, only 2-3 seconds faster. Top speed is never greater than 350 km/h, since (at least in RSS's mod) modern F1 gears are not tunable. It is true that without tow, modern F1s do not go over approx 350 km/h anyway.
Realistically, for the chosen circuit, the 2016 LMP1 car had the same horsepower than the 2023 except on slow corner exits or during overtakes which is where the extra 350 HP electrical motors powering the front wheels would help. If they were able to use the electrical motors all the time, it's likely that they'd beat even modern F1 cars around modern Spa - roughly 40% extra downforce with 4x4 traction at the cost of 10, maybe 20 kph at the top end. Still wouldn't beat them on 1966 Spa due to top speed, tho. Regardless of that small note, this is a great comparison. The track looks terrifying as well.
Wow great content, you know what you're doing! Great concept and driving and a really well put together video with much appreciated captions and extra info. Obviously subbed, long may you continue pal
My dad is lucky to have seen old Spa in his younger days. He still remembers seeing Pedro Rodriguez and Jo Siffert climb the Raidillon side by side in 917's. I should probably set this up along with a sim rig for him.
FCC 🤙These comparisons would be interesting on this track: Round 1: 1950 Talbot-Lago T26 GS vs 1950 Indy 500 winner vs 1950 Alfa Romeo 158 1.5 L8 s Round 2: 1959 256 F1 vs 1960 250 TR60 vs 250 GTO Round 3: 1969 312/69 F1 vs 1969 312P vs 1970 512 S vs 1971 512 M vs 1972 312 PB vs 1972 312 B2 Round 4: ▪︎Lotus 72D vs Toyota 7 vs Chaparral 2J vs 917/30 ▪︎1976 Porsche 936 vs 1976 312T2 ▪︎1980 Rondeau M379B vs 1980 Williams FW07B ▪︎1985 956B vs 1985 MP4/2B ▪︎1988 WM Peugeot P88 vs 1988 MP4/4 ▪︎1994 Dauer 962 Le Mans vs 1994 Benetton B194 ▪︎1999 V12 LMR vs 1999 MP4/14 vs Reynard 99i CART ▪︎2006 R10 TDi vs Toyota TF106 ▪︎2010 R15 TDi Plus vs RB6 ▪︎2014 TS040 vs Caterham CT-05 vs Mercedes W05 ▪︎919 EVO vs W11 vs F2004
Ferrari 499P is a hypercar and while it has 680 hp (500KW) it also has a 200 KW electric engine, giving it a total HP of 940 (700KW), like all Hypercars.
That last F1 had the highest speed of 348km/h, but it let off the throttle in an area that the LM car was flat out. Its crazy that it was still faster than the LM car
Do you mean the last Ferrari F1 ? Yep, actually the top speed difference with the Toyota is not huge, whereas the F1 cornering speed and braking distances is quite better.
@@fabulouscarcharts5467You should have used the 2016 Mercedes (Fastest top speed F1 car in history) and used DRS on the longest straight, it would have reached around 378kph. Also you should have done the comparison on F1's best era which was 2004, so Ferrari F2004 375kph flat out everywhere, fastest accelerating F1 car ever and nearly thr best cornering, would have beaten the 2023 Redbull and annihilated the fastest 2004 Le Mans car anywhere in the world, either the Pescarolo Judd or Audi R8.
The purpose of the serie is not to find eras (like 2004) when F1 would destroy LM cars, as this is the most common case in racing history, but rather to find years when LM cars would be close to F1. It is very clear for everyone that the 2000s F1 are way faster than any 2000s Le Mans car ever on a race track.
Need to mention that 787B Mazda won their title not by the speed, but by superior reliability. So at this old SPA 787B could have superior advantage at full time race against F1 as well.
your cars have a good natural body/camera movement. What settings for SHAKE_MUL do you use, and what other settings/app do you use for this? Also what FOV setting/number?
Because it is iconic, beautiful, and isnt actually much slower than other group C cars considering its nice grip (it helps taking corners flat out on this circuit) and braking performances, thanks to the weight advantage (approx 150kg) it had on its opponents.
Though it could be fun to watch, I thought it was clear for everyone that F1 from 2000s would absolutely destroy LM cars, so I thought it did not fit the spirit of this video, in which I tried to find eras when LM and F1 are close.
Lotus 25 should be much faster, the fastest lap of 1962 Belgian race was 3:55 by Clark in Lotus. Ferrari 250P also should be faster, A front engined 250GTO got 4:07 lap in 1963 Spa 500km race., so 250 P should be even faster.
Depends a lot on the car, but as long as you take some margin with braking points (which I did) you don't crash a lot, there is no tight turn nor tricky, low speed reaccelerations. I think about 30 or 40 crashes for the whole video is a good approximation :)
@@fabulouscarcharts5467 haha ! Nice, figured something like that … great job btw, these are cool vids .. took some real balls to drive this track back in the day
14:36 (caption) Seriously? You gotta be a little nutso to go 300 km/h on a track that has houses on the side, especially considering that handling characteristics were what they were at the time.
Most underrated TH-camr of all time
When you said "the houses on the right punish the slightest mistake with the death of the driver" 💀💀💀
Imagine being the guy just chilling in the house and there’s this gigantic ahh hole on the side of your house 💀
Imagine your car breaking something or you made a tiny mistake at the Masta Kink and you drive straight into the basement of the house there?
Then imagine you survive crashing through the windows/walls to the basement, but the car is now inside a basement, upside down and fuel is pouring down over you with hot exhausts and a very hot engine right next to said fuel?
This literally happened to Jackie Stewart in 1966 in F1 practice or the race, and he was hurt but not burnt as the fire didnt happen, but the ambulance still took > 1hr to get him safe.
great content and channel - these vids are very interesting. The 917 lap looks truly terrifying
It really is!
What a terrifying circuit. Imagine rainy weather on top of that.
It's impressive how quickly our definition of "safety" changed
I remember a video by Jimmy Broadbent where he said "to have a perfect entry here you have to aim for that telegraph post", and a commenter said "that's the perfect summary of 1960's F1".
In 1970, the F1 cars were 14 seconds slower than the 917s.The fastest lap in the race: Chris Amon 3.27.4 in a March-Ford. The 917: Pedro Rodriguez 3.16.5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they did not use the same layout. F1s had an additional chicane.
@@fabulouscarcharts5467 not for 1970
I quote Wikipedia : "Once the Formula One Belgian Grand Prix was held 3 weeks later (a race that Rodriguez won for BRM), Formula One cars struggled to get within 12 seconds of this time; although there was a chicane at Malmedy Corner just for the F1 race."
@@fabulouscarcharts5467 the 1970 F1 race was the fastest average speed for the track (for F1), even with that chicane.
Put the sauber mercedes c9 in the lineup one of the fastest group c racers in both corners and straight line
I will soon publish content specifically targeting group C cars vs others.
Noobs = "Eau Rouge"
Experts = "Eau Rouge and Raidillon"
Legends = "Eau Rouge, Turn 3, and Raidillon"
Haha, I thought I was safe from picky corrections with my bit about circuit terminology and etymology 😅
man i love the old spa, i set myself a goal to reach 400kmh in almost every vehicle there and so far i only did it with the 2007 f1 ferrari. In general this track is awesome and challenginh but rewarding
I think 400 kmh is feasible with the C9 with proper set up (which most probably is not the best setup for good lap time)
2007 ferrari is probably my favourite. It looks like a fighter jet on onboards
Wtf I have been whatching this videos for some months and I just realize that the channel has less than 10k subs, WTF.
Man, all the efort that you put making this videos it's a lot. Really entertaining and interesting content, hope you reach to more motorsport fans
Haha thanks, the positive aspect is that I can still have a look to each individual comments ! As I said to someone raising the same comment, even with 1 sub I would make the videos anyway :)
@@fabulouscarcharts5467It would be nice to have a discord server of the channel, saying the theme of next videos and expading the community of crazy cars comparison
OUTRAGEOUS AND BRILLIANT!!
great video bro! its so cool to see the comparisons one after another. id like to see this lineup duel again at modern spa
AVUS would be a great track both WEC and F1 raced there a few times and it’s basically a long straight line
Cool video. It would be interesting what time the 2023 F1 car would do with DRS despite already being the fastest
Ha ha, actually I couldn't resist to test it, but the time is a bit deceiving, only 2-3 seconds faster. Top speed is never greater than 350 km/h, since (at least in RSS's mod) modern F1 gears are not tunable. It is true that without tow, modern F1s do not go over approx 350 km/h anyway.
gr8 job bro
@@fabulouscarcharts5467
DAMN now I need that track for my AC version !!
You should definitely try the Porsche 919 evo next
Realistically, for the chosen circuit, the 2016 LMP1 car had the same horsepower than the 2023 except on slow corner exits or during overtakes which is where the extra 350 HP electrical motors powering the front wheels would help. If they were able to use the electrical motors all the time, it's likely that they'd beat even modern F1 cars around modern Spa - roughly 40% extra downforce with 4x4 traction at the cost of 10, maybe 20 kph at the top end. Still wouldn't beat them on 1966 Spa due to top speed, tho.
Regardless of that small note, this is a great comparison. The track looks terrifying as well.
Why nobody talking about how good he is driving the lower grip cars
Haha thanks, actually I hope some ppl will try a lap or two with these cars to check for themselves if I'm accurate !
Wow great content, you know what you're doing! Great concept and driving and a really well put together video with much appreciated captions and extra info. Obviously subbed, long may you continue pal
My dad is lucky to have seen old Spa in his younger days. He still remembers seeing Pedro Rodriguez and Jo Siffert climb the Raidillon side by side in 917's. I should probably set this up along with a sim rig for him.
I have the feeling that even beeing a spectator at this time required some sort of courage !
this spa looks more like a rally track than a f1 track
FCC 🤙These comparisons would be interesting on this track:
Round 1: 1950 Talbot-Lago T26 GS vs 1950 Indy 500 winner vs 1950 Alfa Romeo 158 1.5 L8 s
Round 2: 1959 256 F1 vs 1960 250 TR60 vs 250 GTO
Round 3: 1969 312/69 F1 vs 1969 312P vs 1970 512 S vs 1971 512 M vs 1972 312 PB vs 1972 312 B2
Round 4:
▪︎Lotus 72D vs Toyota 7 vs Chaparral 2J vs 917/30
▪︎1976 Porsche 936 vs 1976 312T2
▪︎1980 Rondeau M379B vs 1980 Williams FW07B
▪︎1985 956B vs 1985 MP4/2B
▪︎1988 WM Peugeot P88 vs 1988 MP4/4
▪︎1994 Dauer 962 Le Mans vs 1994 Benetton B194
▪︎1999 V12 LMR vs 1999 MP4/14 vs Reynard 99i CART
▪︎2006 R10 TDi vs Toyota TF106
▪︎2010 R15 TDi Plus vs RB6
▪︎2014 TS040 vs Caterham CT-05 vs Mercedes W05
▪︎919 EVO vs W11 vs F2004
daaamn the gus build that game are so good that they add and the holes in the asphalt
but bro 1000hp on 800kgs this car make 0-200 for 5 seconds only the jets flying off airships are faster
Back in the 60s they really said: fuck it lets go 250 between the houses in literal cans.
Ferrari 499P is a hypercar and while it has 680 hp (500KW) it also has a 200 KW electric engine, giving it a total HP of 940 (700KW), like all Hypercars.
Awesome video. Thanks
I think the only "equivalent" of old spa would be the nordschleife but still spa is way more dangerous and crazy
That last F1 had the highest speed of 348km/h, but it let off the throttle in an area that the LM car was flat out. Its crazy that it was still faster than the LM car
Do you mean the last Ferrari F1 ? Yep, actually the top speed difference with the Toyota is not huge, whereas the F1 cornering speed and braking distances is quite better.
@@fabulouscarcharts5467You should have used the 2016 Mercedes (Fastest top speed F1 car in history) and used DRS on the longest straight, it would have reached around 378kph.
Also you should have done the comparison on F1's best era which was 2004, so Ferrari F2004 375kph flat out everywhere, fastest accelerating F1 car ever and nearly thr best cornering, would have beaten the 2023 Redbull and annihilated the fastest 2004 Le Mans car anywhere in the world, either the Pescarolo Judd or Audi R8.
The purpose of the serie is not to find eras (like 2004) when F1 would destroy LM cars, as this is the most common case in racing history, but rather to find years when LM cars would be close to F1. It is very clear for everyone that the 2000s F1 are way faster than any 2000s Le Mans car ever on a race track.
@@fabulouscarcharts5467 Maybe so if you want to closest years fair enough, how about late 2000s Peugeot 908 HDI FAP vs The Brawn 001?
@@1010thechamp You mean the 2016 Williams? 378 km/h was with drafting. Without a car ahead, 378 could only be done downhill in that car.
Dfv 3.5 sounds amazing
please include the Porshce 917/30 Can-Am series prototype also next time and see how it compares
That one was about le Mans only vs F1, but for sure I will make a video about can am soon
@@fabulouscarcharts5467 Sure np
Imagine the 917/30 (which came 3 yrs too late for the old track sadly) here, god damn I wanted to see a field of them do this!
Need to mention that 787B Mazda won their title not by the speed, but by superior reliability. So at this old SPA 787B could have superior advantage at full time race against F1 as well.
And also by insisting on special weight regulations juste for their cars...
39:27 bro lost at least a second in the Ferrari 499P on La Source hairpin lol
anyone else got so immersed in the 917K lap that you went "Eeeugh!" and ""Eeeoouh!!" when it wanted to fly off into Jupiter?
Dude, you deserve more than just 995 subs
Thanks, its a pleasure ! Anyway I would do it even with 0 subs (well 2 or 3 with people I forced to subscribe IRL)
@@fabulouscarcharts5467 oh god XD same lol, keep doing it man!
Bro shoulda also done can-am 1970
your cars have a good natural body/camera movement. What settings for SHAKE_MUL do you use, and what other settings/app do you use for this? Also what FOV setting/number?
acstuff.ru/s/wy6WMs
nice video
Throw the 917/30 Turbopanzer on there now xP
Insteresting. Will take a look.
What sim is this? It looks and feels like a super-updated GPL.
I love this series
1:40 - 2:05
Neeeeeeeeeeuummmmmm
What head movement mod do you use?
Crazy fast🙉
Frankly, you should use DRS just for science
why did you use the 787b its one of the slowest group c cars?
Because it is iconic, beautiful, and isnt actually much slower than other group C cars considering its nice grip (it helps taking corners flat out on this circuit) and braking performances, thanks to the weight advantage (approx 150kg) it had on its opponents.
why not try f1 cars vs le mans from 2000s?
Though it could be fun to watch, I thought it was clear for everyone that F1 from 2000s would absolutely destroy LM cars, so I thought it did not fit the spirit of this video, in which I tried to find eras when LM and F1 are close.
@@fabulouscarcharts5467how about 1980’s f1 vs lmps?
@@fabulouscarcharts5467 I was thinking of late 2000s and 2010-15
Which game? Asetto Corsa PC Mods????
What’s your neck fox setup?
the 787B is not going to 355km/h normaly ?
i think the right comparision should be rss f1 1970 vs kunos porsche 917
Yep, RSS mods are amazing but unfortunately I did not yet buy this one :(
What is the issue with the vanilla F1 from 1970, in your opinion ?
@@fabulouscarcharts5467 no issues at all...rss '70 is just more realistic in my opinion...also better handling.
Dude, don't tell me you put a F'ing video link on top of the 499's final time!!! LOL
What was it?
Sorry, didnt notice. I moved the video link, thx for reporting. The times are in the description :) 499's Hotlap was 2'53.
@@fabulouscarcharts5467 Thanks!! It was funny in some way XD
Lotus 25 should be much faster, the fastest lap of 1962 Belgian race was 3:55 by Clark in Lotus. Ferrari 250P also should be faster, A front engined 250GTO got 4:07 lap in 1963 Spa 500km race., so 250 P should be even faster.
Game name ?
Wondering how many times you “died” or “killed” one of the spectators while practicing driving on the edge like this
Depends a lot on the car, but as long as you take some margin with braking points (which I did) you don't crash a lot, there is no tight turn nor tricky, low speed reaccelerations. I think about 30 or 40 crashes for the whole video is a good approximation :)
@@fabulouscarcharts5467 haha ! Nice, figured something like that … great job btw, these are cool vids .. took some real balls to drive this track back in the day
Why not Hamilton here?
It's too bad you use Mazda 787B instead of Mercedes C11 or Peugeot 905 who are undoubtedly the fastest Group C cars.
14:36 (caption) Seriously? You gotta be a little nutso to go 300 km/h on a track that has houses on the side, especially considering that handling characteristics were what they were at the time.
no ers?
Group C is the wrong car. Jag, Peugeot or Merc would have benn a much better choice.
The lap time of the 787 is not much worse than the Mercedes : th-cam.com/users/shortstPmn7ul4sNg?feature=share4
the 917's were clocked at 220+ mph at spa in 70/71.
can you link the track download?
www.racedepartment.com/downloads/spa-francorchamps-1966.38010/
whats the cam settings you use?
For helmet cam ? I use neck FX. Important tricks : reverse lateral g force so that head leans towards turn center, and turn vibrations on high values
@@fabulouscarcharts5467 thanks for the answer, if you could share the neckfx settings link it would be awsome!
It took me a lot of time to tune it, enjoy: acstuff.ru/s/wy6WMs@@speedlimitviolationspecialist
@@fabulouscarcharts5467 thanks a ton bro!
Why not Lauda's Brabham? And Chaparral Fancar?
Should've thrown in the f2004 lol