Brother Paul. This is one of the few comments I put on TH-cam throughout years of passive watching. That’s because I’m now witnessing an intellectual discussion between two muslims about an Islamic idea with a human scale, argued with eloquence, pride and empathy. Having been frustrated by the waste land of ideas in our traditional Arab countries, I can now see how God almighty has His ways in seeing his grand scheme revealed to mankind where hope was thought to be lost. Jazak Allah Khair. You and your select guests are a breeze to my heart.
Right on brother, you made the exact point I was thinking of, how Allah has his ways. Brother Paul definitely brought a fresh breeze of air into tlislamic discourse. If you know Arabic, Aljazeera has a show where Halak was a guest , worth watching.
Salams Brothers, I am currently in undergrad in the US. I feel very inadequate due to my inability to address the falsehoods being spread by my professors/institution. Often times, they will make remarks about religion while looking pointedly at me (I wear hijab). Although I try to combat their ignorance with some of what I've heard on this channel and others (alongside what I've read from important texts), I feel lost and alone. Not many of the other Muslims I've met on campus are concerned with defending the faith, and some are blatantly abandoning it. I'm just very saddened and disheartened. Nevertheless, I am sending thanks for your work, as it certainly makes me feel less defeated and alone. May Allah bless you for your work.
Salam Sister, I command you for being indignant about your professors/institutions's ill-remarks about Islam and your struggle to fight it. Fisrt of all, your struggle will not go in vain and you get more Ajir for your solotary struggle. However, know that you or other muslims in your campus are not held accountable for whatever the result of your professor/institutions practice as long as you've tried to the best of your ability. so at this point, give you're self some slack and don't take it too hard on yourself fighting to the point of losing your Imaan. Trust in Allah. disbelivers scheme but Allah is better schemer.
Dont be disheartened. I remember my first year undergrad. I was not prepared for the level of anti Islamic rhetoric. But gradually as your knowledge grows so will your confidence. May Allah keep you firm
Sala Rayhana, even if the whole world turns against Islam, people like you and me will be there to stand for haqq, no matter how much they dislike it! Stay strong!
My absolute favorite series! Masha Allah. May Allah continue to put blessings in the work you both do Br. Paul and Imam Tom! Ameen. It's also oddly comforting knowing that I'm not the only one who found Wael's writing style challenging at first. 😊
@@wazirbakshguyana7642 Definitely not similar to anything that you can relate with from todays world. For Shariah to be uplifted as a paradigm - Liberal paradigm should fall - which gradually happening.. Perhaps multipolar world order to be established in a way that nation state system is fully or partially obliterated or atleast becomes a difficult to sustain.. The new alliance which is being formed between Russia, Arab world, China and Turkey can be game changer soon. Aslo possibly as a result of lack of peace between within Wester counteries.
Finally its here. I've been waiting for this ever since the last video about Talal Asad's Formations of the Secular. Thank you Paul for facilitating such interviews. Jazak Allah Khairan.
Brother Paul, you are bringing the people with knowledge to myself and many others, for which I'm extremely grateful. Now, about the money I'm spending on books .. well, I'll not mention that. 🤣 Imam Tom, thank you for being a balanced, mature, calming and non-divisive influence on TH-cam.
It was a very interesting discussion. i thought that taken Sharia as a source of legislation (not a paradigm) in our country will be enought to protect the islamic values and islam religion in general within our society , but it turned out to be an illusion. looking forward to the next video in complement of this discussion . thank you so mush Brother Paul and Imam Tom for your efforts👍 and thanks to Wael Hallaq for his enlightening book👍. May Allah rewards you all.
Thank you brother Paul! I always keep Wael Hallaq's book, "Shariah: Theory, Practice, Transformations" which is indeed marvelous. The book touches almost every aspect of the Shariah, past and present. Wael writes with a heart full of love for the field he specializes. As a handy reference, every Muslim who reads in English should have a copy of that book.
Alhamdulillah what an excellent video about my favourite book of modern times by my favourite youtubers. Allah is the maker of every dream coming true.
An excellent discussion! I've been a fan of Wael Hallaq for years...and this is the most enjoyable and thoughtful discussion of his work that I've ever listened to. May Allah bless both Paul and Imam Tom!
Love you both truly as a brother. You really understand the feelings of the Muslims who know and wait. But Allah is the Wisest. We desperately want it.
As someone who also did political science and is currently in madinah, this is one of my favorite channels on TH-cam and Tom is great. You guys do great stuff together
Love your videos brother! It’s good to see you enjoying and engaging with Brother Paul’s work as well! May Allah reward you and grant you success in your studies!
@@shabzinoo5011 thanks man! Yeah brother Paul's work is great. Really brings a very intellectual view of Islam to the world. May Allah grant brother Paul, Imam Tom, and you blessing in all your works!
You have no clue how much i love this series, may Allah reward you. Love both Hallaq and t. Asad and this series just deepens my understanding of their work which is massively important.
This is one of the best if not THE BEST summary of the book "The impossible state", I understood half of it when I read it myself but Imam Tom's (may Allah bless him and protect him) summary is just wonderful and easy to understand - love it. Kudos to you, Paul as well to invite Imam Tom to your channel, please ask him to discuss other books by Hallaq as well, Hallaq is an asset to the muslim world despite that he is not muslim (may Allah guide him to the right path).
Particularly liked the "litmus" test that Imam Tom shared to see if the Shariah is being applied, namely, whether or not the shariah can disband the State. A topic I get more interested in with more information. It is critical for Muslims to try and understand the dominant paradigm if we are going to move towards something better.
Thank for another great episode with Imam tom! I know I said this before but will say it again!!: If only you had been doing this when I was in grad school! It would have been so helpufl! When I was in grad school, I read Foucault, and Wael Hallaq Restating Orientalism and the Impossible State! I completely agree with you that Hallaq's prose is clunky and hard to read. And that this is all Foucault's fault. And yet the convergence between Islamist critiques of modernity and postmodern critiques of modernity (most of hese from the political left) are very much there. I should say though that I was impressed but not too suprised when I learned that Hallaq is a Christian. For one thing, Arabic speaking Chiristians have a different relationship with Islamicate culture then European Western Christian have. ARabic is there language too. They had complete freedom to pracite their religion under the Sharia including conducting marriage, settling business/ criminal dsputes between correlgionist, etc. In oder to do their jobs, Christian clerics typically had to learn about the Sharia (including morize the Qur'an) along with their own text so they could, and often did, advocate for their community's rights in an Islamic langauge under an Islamic framework. And again, ARabic is the native tongjue of many Christians (Including Hallaq himself), and so for them the Qur'an as an influential ARabic language work of literature/ prose/poetry has to be approached with reverence and respect even if they don't share our theological convictions. This can lso be seen the attitudes Arabic speaking Christian clerics themselves. The former Catholic Bishop of Jerusalem, (a representative of the Holy Sea no less!), Bishop Hilarion Capucci knew Surah Maryam and loved to recite it. He was also, one of the very few Catholic priest, to support Palestine! I want to end my comments by quoting written by journalist Nicolas Pelham bout the disintegration of the Middle East called Holy Lands where he tries to understand how cuch a tolerant, pluralistic region devolved into violent intolerance that we are familiar with. Among the many Christians quoted in that book was a Palestinian Armenian scholar named George Hintlian, am who lost 70 relatives in the Armenian genocide. About secular nationalism, decline of the Ottoman Empire, and increasing intolerance in the region, he says: "Our mistake was to ask for equality. We had everything. The bloody missionaries opened our eyes to convince us we had nothing.". I think it is this perpsective that motivates Hallaq to say that he would rather live under a Sharia system. And dont forget, Hallaq is Palestinian! We (Muslims( did not cause the Nakba! Euorpean Zionists did!
This is amazing.... Thank you so much both of you. Perhaps you can invite professeur Hallag himself to discuss more in detail about this crucial topic...
As Salamu Alaikum Paul, Mash Allah brilliant conversation, I can't wait for the part 2 for this really needed topic. Thank you for your amazing channel.
I swear by God Almighty that I had most desireful dreams about this reading after the formation of the decular! God bless you brother Paul and most highly loved Imam Tom. Barakallahu feekum.
really awesome to hear these talks especially when there is so little discourse in normyville about what is wrong and how we got here ... truly brilliant stuff.
Thank you so much Paul and Tom. This has been a long awaited discussion. It is providing a great insight into Wael Halaq's valuable work. Can't wait for the next episode! I do strongly recommend Imam Tom's you-tube channel.
i humbly think these two series of hallaq of yours are gems. coming from Malaysia, somehow all the points made by both of you are relatable. Jazakallah, and may Allah increase our knowledges.
I Cant thank you more, extremely joys conversation refreshingly mind blowing... Blogging theology and Imam Tom have positively refreshed our minds in many ways. Jazakallahu khairan.
Brother Paul, Keep up the Great work...Very scholarly and informative sessions. Thank you. Will love to hear on the Inheritance Law. Brother Tom, Interesting discourse on Shariah....🙂
Thankful for your explanation & summary, bringing this info to the masses. I probably won't be able to understand the book by myself, as my English is not of that level. Very educational indeed.
@Paul: Thanks a lot for this great series with Tom.. Hope you will be able to organize a series of sessions with Dr Hallaq regarding his entire project..Please do your best.. by the way Tom is in New York as well as Dr Hallaq, and here you go, you know where to go :-)
Paul I was thinking of an idea that might help. Imam tom has fantastic sound system with that mic and it really is of the highest quality. My guess is you're using a laptop speaker rather than a mic. Given the wide reach and importance of your channel and the podcast nature of your discussions, I really think it's worth investing in a better sound system. Perhaps ask Imam Tom for advice! 🙂
Heard it on Spotify, Jazakallah khair. Must admit, I am so fascinated by the concept of living under Sharia without the modern structures of political state based on Western ideals. I can't even imagine what that would look like though.
There's a lovely podcast with the author for Arabic speakers totally recommend from إذاعة ثمانية وائل حلاق : الدولة و الحرية و كيف تفكك المجتمع، بودكاست فنجان Subtitles in English are available
Tom said a citizen have a freedom now for ex to wear what one wants, please note that in Europe for example in France you are Not allowed to wear Hijab.
"If the Shari´a can disband the goverment, then the Shari´a has ultimate authority. and if goverment can disband Shari´a, then the state has ultimate authority" That note was on spot, thank you very much for this nice conversation.
Quick summary for the curious: Wael Hallak's Sharī'a: Theory, Practice, Transformations is a comprehensive exploration of the Islamic legal system. It examines the history, development, and current application of Sharī'a law, as well as its potential for transformation in the modern world. The book provides an in-depth analysis of the various sources of Sharī'a law, including the Qur'an, Sunnah, and Ijma, and discusses the role of Islamic jurisprudence in the interpretation and application of Sharī'a. It also examines the impact of modernity on Sharī'a law, and the potential for reform and transformation. The book provides a comprehensive overview of the Islamic legal system, and is an invaluable resource for anyone interested in understanding the complexities of Sharī'a law.
Brother Paul, Great discussion. Brother Tom is very articulate and knowledgeable. And so are you. Most Muslims have a vague understanding of Sharia. Can you arrange a discussion on it with an authority of Sharia?
To Mir Ali After you posted that reply to me that guy erased his comment. Are you happy now? What did anybody gain from that insensitive remark you made? And when it comes to the subject at hand, This person Hallaq and Imam Tom promoting his book. Hallaq starts with a grave mistake and then leads into another error. Probably because He does not really understand Islam or is stuck with a particular understanding of Islam which is more likely. Did you accept everything that was said without finding any faults?
As salaam alaikum Brother Paul. As salaam alaikum Blogging Theology fans: As expected this show was a continuation of Blogging Theology great intellectual and informative podcast. I am curious about one thing however. Is the quest employing that Muslim countries were truly following the sharia 800-1200 ce?
If you provide the pdf link of the referenced books during discussion, if possible, it will be helpful for those to whom that's are not available always!
Almost impossible to watch the video. It is interrupted every 10 to 20 sec. This is always happen when youtube (and Facebook, twitter, etc) feels that the subject in discussion is potentially dangerous to the secular ideology. Islam is their nightmare. With these advert interruptions, they chase any curious mind, particularly westerners. They are not blocking the video as it is needed for their own statistical analysis to decide their next move. In few days, this video will get hard to find. Anyway, yamkouroun wa yamkorroo Allah wa Allahoo ahssan al ma kireen
palestine christian actually have been "brother & sister" to our palastine muslim for so long(as what history said)..and both of the muslim&christian palastenian are speaking Arabic as their "mother tounge"
🔴 *The Apostle Paul's Terrible Error* 🔴 📍In the Old Testament: =>the Holy Place contains: Table of Showbread (Showbread on it) + Candlestick + Altar of Incense. =>the Holy of Holies contains: Ark of the Covenant " Hebrews 9:2-4 " *“²For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. ³ And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; ⁴ Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant”.* There are three errors : - Firstly, Paul mentioned the Table *AND* the Showbread, knowing that the latter is already *ON* the Table. (Exodus 25:30 “And thou shalt set *upon* the table shewbread before me alway.”) - The second error is that Paul mentioned the golden censer in the Holy of Holies. Moreover, If we suppose that the golden censer is an element in the Holy of Holies, why was it not mentioned in the Torah or in the Jewish heritage? It is not logical that it's not mentioned in the Torah and then Paul mentioned it after that. The fourth verse mentioned the golden censer then the Ark of the Covenant which contained the Golden Pot, Aaron’s Rod, and the Tablets of the Stone; if the golden censer was of Aaron’s legacy, then Paul should have mentioned it among the contents of the Ark of the Covenant, not in the Holy of Holies. - The third error is that Paul did not mention the Altar of Incense at all. - *Father Matta El Meskeen. The Epistle to the Hebrews: Explanation and Study, pp. 519-520:* the Altar of Incense: the Apostle Paul did not mention it here, and the reasons and interpretations differed.... and in Hebrews 9:4, he mentioned a golden censer, baffling the commentators, because it is known that the Altar of Incense is in the Sanctuary. - *John Gill's Exposition:* but here a difficulty arises, how this can be said to have been in the holy of holies, and within the vail, when, according to Moses, it was without the vail, and was only carried within on the day of atonement; and so Philo the Jew (a) places it in the other part of the tabernacle; and it seems as if it was to avoid this difficulty, that the Ethiopic version has removed it from this verse to verse the second, and put it among the things that were in the holy place. - *Franz Delitzsch. Commentary On The Epistle To Hebrews, pp. 54-55:* Such being the Hellenistic usage, and in particular that that of Josephus and Philo, whose phraseology has so many points of resemblance to that of other author, it seems impossible to escape the conclusion that θυμιατηριον means here the incense-altar, and nothing else. It would be, moreover, a quite inexplicable omission in this connection, had he said nothing about it. But if θυμιατηριον here I the altar of incense, the sacred writer appears to be involved in the grosse error of supposing that this golden altar, of which Philo says correctly that it stood between the golden candlestick and the holy table… and Bleek draws thence the conclusion that he could not have been a Jew of Palestine: but even supposing him to have been an Alexandrine Jew, he must have been a monster of ignorance and forgetfulness to be capable of such a mistake. - *Ellicot’s Commentary for English Readers:* The incense-altar and the ark are coupled together, and the word which describes their relation to the Holiest Place is that which, a little later in this verse, distinctly signifies "containing." So weighty is this consideration that many have been unable to avoid the conclusion that the writer has erred in this matter of detail; and various suppositions have been resorted to in explanation of his mistake. - *Expositor's Greek Testament:* ... and the versions of Symmachus and Theodotion in Exodus 31 use θυμιατήριον for “altar of incense”. Besides, the form of the word indicates that it could be used of anything on which incense is offered. It was, therefore, understood of the “altar” by Clement Alex. and other fathers; by Calvin, who says, “quo nomine altare suffitus vel thymiamatis potius intelligo quam thuribulum;” and by most modern scholars. As has frequently been urged it is incredible that in describing the furniture of the tabernacle there should be no mention of the altar of incense. Difficulty has been felt regarding the position here assigned to it, for in fact it stood outside the veil; and the author has been charged with error. ✴️One of the commentators say that Paul mentioned the golden censer in the Holy of Holies for fear of theft and to be in a safe place, and this is very funny because the commentator forgot that the Candlestick and the Table are plated with gold. Therefore, the commentary is ridiculous, because even if the golden censer was moved to the Holy of Holies for fear of theft, the Candlestick and the Table are plated with gold too (Exodus 25). 🔴 The question remains, why did Paul not mention the Altar of Incense? There are two solutions, the sweetest of which is bitter; either Paul did not write by inspiration or he is an ignorant liar.
I would love to hear from imam Tom Bout his experience in Saudi Arabia, for instance what was people oponions on what is happening in saudi araiba in terms of liberalisation and the attack on religions scholars.
The works of Jamel Akbar explain very well what it means to not use the modern state apparatus and why it's so much better and more in line with Islamic values and human rights
Excerpt for the curious: In Transformations, Wael Hallaq describes living in the classical period of Islamic law as being characterized by a strong emphasis on legal reasoning and the application of legal principles to real-world situations. He argues that this approach was replaced by a more literal interpretation of Islamic law in the modern era, leading to a decline in the quality of legal reasoning and a decrease in the ability of Islamic law to address contemporary issues.
May Allah Protect Our Scholars. We should be more happy and thankful for the Muslim World and how well Muslims have put up with the forces of colonialism. At the end of the day, the truth at it's worst, will always be better than falsehood at its best.
Brother Paul. This is one of the few comments I put on TH-cam throughout years of passive watching. That’s because I’m now witnessing an intellectual discussion between two muslims about an Islamic idea with a human scale, argued with eloquence, pride and empathy. Having been frustrated by the waste land of ideas in our traditional Arab countries, I can now see how God almighty has His ways in seeing his grand scheme revealed to mankind where hope was thought to be lost. Jazak Allah Khair. You and your select guests are a breeze to my heart.
Alhamdulillah
@@BloggingTheology as always
Fear Allah
Jazakallah Khyrun brother
Right on brother, you made the exact point I was thinking of, how Allah has his ways.
Brother Paul definitely brought a fresh breeze of air into tlislamic discourse.
If you know Arabic, Aljazeera has a show where Halak was a guest , worth watching.
@@bu-omar saying this with sadness rather than with keenness, brother. Anyways, goodness never dries out of this ummah.
صحيح
Salams Brothers,
I am currently in undergrad in the US. I feel very inadequate due to my inability to address the falsehoods being spread by my professors/institution. Often times, they will make remarks about religion while looking pointedly at me (I wear hijab). Although I try to combat their ignorance with some of what I've heard on this channel and others (alongside what I've read from important texts), I feel lost and alone. Not many of the other Muslims I've met on campus are concerned with defending the faith, and some are blatantly abandoning it.
I'm just very saddened and disheartened. Nevertheless, I am sending thanks for your work, as it certainly makes me feel less defeated and alone. May Allah bless you for your work.
Salam Sister,
I command you for being indignant about your professors/institutions's ill-remarks about Islam and your struggle to fight it.
Fisrt of all, your struggle will not go in vain and you get more Ajir for your solotary struggle.
However, know that you or other muslims in your campus are not held accountable for whatever the result of your professor/institutions practice as long as you've tried to the best of your ability. so at this point, give you're self some slack and don't take it too hard on yourself fighting to the point of losing your Imaan.
Trust in Allah. disbelivers scheme but Allah is better schemer.
Dont be disheartened. I remember my first year undergrad. I was not prepared for the level of anti Islamic rhetoric. But gradually as your knowledge grows so will your confidence. May Allah keep you firm
May Allah bless you
One day you may be on the other side. And able to respond and teach other how to respond.
Sala Rayhana, even if the whole world turns against Islam, people like you and me will be there to stand for haqq, no matter how much they dislike it! Stay strong!
My absolute favorite series! Masha Allah. May Allah continue to put blessings in the work you both do Br. Paul and Imam Tom! Ameen.
It's also oddly comforting knowing that I'm not the only one who found Wael's writing style challenging at first. 😊
I love listening to this duo maasAllah, may Allah grant them ease in their journey🤲
I always come back and relisten to the Imam Tom episodes. Love this man's work. Long may it continue, amen.
Amen
I'm a super fan of Imam Tom Facchine may Allah elevate him.
Ameen.
What the Shariah Paradigmatic of governance will look like today?
@@wazirbakshguyana7642 Definitely not similar to anything that you can relate with from todays world.
For Shariah to be uplifted as a paradigm - Liberal paradigm should fall - which gradually happening..
Perhaps multipolar world order to be established in a way that nation state system is fully or partially obliterated or atleast becomes a difficult to sustain..
The new alliance which is being formed between Russia, Arab world, China and Turkey can be game changer soon.
Aslo possibly as a result of lack of peace between within Wester counteries.
Finally its here. I've been waiting for this ever since the last video about Talal Asad's Formations of the Secular. Thank you Paul for facilitating such interviews. Jazak Allah Khairan.
Brother Paul, you are bringing the people with knowledge to myself and many others, for which I'm extremely grateful. Now, about the money I'm spending on books .. well, I'll not mention that. 🤣
Imam Tom, thank you for being a balanced, mature, calming and non-divisive influence on TH-cam.
It was a very interesting discussion. i thought that taken Sharia as a source of legislation (not a paradigm) in our country will be enought to protect the islamic values and islam religion in general within our society , but it turned out to be an illusion. looking forward to the next video in complement of this discussion . thank you so mush Brother Paul and Imam Tom for your efforts👍 and thanks to Wael Hallaq for his enlightening book👍. May Allah rewards you all.
Tom's camera quality and background though! 👌✨
Commenting before listening. Absolutely look forward to this collaboration between BT and Imam Tom. Alhamdulillah.
As a PhD student in economics, cannot wait for the next episode on growth
Check out Dr Mohammad Omar Farooq if you want a decent insight into Islamic Finance and the related area of economics.
It’s not often that I describe a BT episode with one word: Wow!
Best duo, keep doing more with Imam Tom please!!
Thank you brother Paul! I always keep Wael Hallaq's book, "Shariah: Theory, Practice, Transformations" which is indeed marvelous. The book touches almost every aspect of the Shariah, past and present. Wael writes with a heart full of love for the field he specializes. As a handy reference, every Muslim who reads in English should have a copy of that book.
wow!
Alhamdulillah what an excellent video about my favourite book of modern times by my favourite youtubers.
Allah is the maker of every dream coming true.
An excellent discussion! I've been a fan of Wael Hallaq for years...and this is the most enjoyable and thoughtful discussion of his work that I've ever listened to. May Allah bless both Paul and Imam Tom!
Alhamdulillah
Love you both truly as a brother. You really understand the feelings of the Muslims who know and wait. But Allah is the Wisest. We desperately want it.
As someone who also did political science and is currently in madinah, this is one of my favorite channels on TH-cam and Tom is great. You guys do great stuff together
Love your videos brother! It’s good to see you enjoying and engaging with Brother Paul’s work as well! May Allah reward you and grant you success in your studies!
@@shabzinoo5011 thanks man! Yeah brother Paul's work is great. Really brings a very intellectual view of Islam to the world. May Allah grant brother Paul, Imam Tom, and you blessing in all your works!
I cannot express my joy over this! Mashallah wa Alhamdulilah. Thank you, sir.
You have no clue how much i love this series, may Allah reward you. Love both Hallaq and t. Asad and this series just deepens my understanding of their work which is massively important.
This is one of the best if not THE BEST summary of the book "The impossible state", I understood half of it when I read it myself but Imam Tom's (may Allah bless him and protect him) summary is just wonderful and easy to understand - love it. Kudos to you, Paul as well to invite Imam Tom to your channel, please ask him to discuss other books by Hallaq as well, Hallaq is an asset to the muslim world despite that he is not muslim (may Allah guide him to the right path).
Always a pleasure!
Whenver brother Paul uploads a new video I get very excited. Thank you both ☺️
Particularly liked the "litmus" test that Imam Tom shared to see if the Shariah is being applied, namely, whether or not the shariah can disband the State.
A topic I get more interested in with more information. It is critical for Muslims to try and understand the dominant paradigm if we are going to move towards something better.
Amazing discussion, I also really enjoined listening to Wael Hallaq during one of the Podcasts
Mashallah, Paul great hosting and Jazakallah khair for brining such great content
Arguably…the very best dense intellectually packed discussion on serious Islamic issues facing the umma.Many thanks to both the brothers.
Thank for another great episode with Imam tom! I know I said this before but will say it again!!: If only you had been doing this when I was in grad school! It would have been so helpufl! When I was in grad school, I read Foucault, and Wael Hallaq Restating Orientalism and the Impossible State! I completely agree with you that Hallaq's prose is clunky and hard to read. And that this is all Foucault's fault. And yet the convergence between Islamist critiques of modernity and postmodern critiques of modernity (most of hese from the political left) are very much there. I should say though that I was impressed but not too suprised when I learned that Hallaq is a Christian. For one thing, Arabic speaking Chiristians have a different relationship with Islamicate culture then European Western Christian have. ARabic is there language too. They had complete freedom to pracite their religion under the Sharia including conducting marriage, settling business/ criminal dsputes between correlgionist, etc. In oder to do their jobs, Christian clerics typically had to learn about the Sharia (including morize the Qur'an) along with their own text so they could, and often did, advocate for their community's rights in an Islamic langauge under an Islamic framework. And again, ARabic is the native tongjue of many Christians (Including Hallaq himself), and so for them the Qur'an as an influential ARabic language work of literature/ prose/poetry has to be approached with reverence and respect even if they don't share our theological convictions. This can lso be seen the attitudes Arabic speaking Christian clerics themselves. The former Catholic Bishop of Jerusalem, (a representative of the Holy Sea no less!), Bishop Hilarion Capucci knew Surah Maryam and loved to recite it. He was also, one of the very few Catholic priest, to support Palestine! I want to end my comments by quoting written by journalist Nicolas Pelham bout the disintegration of the Middle East called Holy Lands where he tries to understand how cuch a tolerant, pluralistic region devolved into violent intolerance that we are familiar with. Among the many Christians quoted in that book was a Palestinian Armenian scholar named George Hintlian, am who lost 70 relatives in the Armenian genocide. About secular nationalism, decline of the Ottoman Empire, and increasing intolerance in the region, he says: "Our mistake was to ask for equality. We had everything. The bloody missionaries opened our eyes to convince us we had nothing.". I think it is this perpsective that motivates Hallaq to say that he would rather live under a Sharia system. And dont forget, Hallaq is Palestinian! We (Muslims( did not cause the Nakba! Euorpean Zionists did!
Thank you for your comment 👍
This is amazing....
Thank you so much both of you.
Perhaps you can invite professeur Hallag himself to discuss more in detail about this crucial topic...
I can listen to them talk for days and it will still be interesting. ❤️
Happy to find this channel. I read the book and your intellectual conversation is such a blessing to listen to
As Salamu Alaikum Paul, Mash Allah brilliant conversation, I can't wait for the part 2 for this really needed topic. Thank you for your amazing channel.
Loved this discussion. I've started taking notes too. May Allah bless you both
Welcome back imam Tom.
When Paul defines "eviscerate" and now you know what eviscerate means lol Thanks Paul
Very thought provoking and fresh perspective. Thanks Paul and Tom.
Masha’Allah this is really fascinating and right up my street. جزاك اللهُ خيرً Paul for all your efforts in delivering such quality discussions.
I swear by God Almighty that I had most desireful dreams about this reading after the formation of the decular! God bless you brother Paul and most highly loved Imam Tom. Barakallahu feekum.
really awesome to hear these talks especially when there is so little discourse in normyville about what is wrong and how we got here ... truly brilliant stuff.
Thank you so much Paul and Tom. This has been a long awaited discussion. It is providing a great insight into Wael Halaq's valuable work. Can't wait for the next episode!
I do strongly recommend Imam Tom's you-tube channel.
i humbly think these two series of hallaq of yours are gems. coming from Malaysia, somehow all the points made by both of you are relatable. Jazakallah, and may Allah increase our knowledges.
Brilliant Paul and tom discussing revering islam with thoroughness. Glad tidings brother, good times are around the corner
Brother Paul thnx a lot u r letting us some great man/ books and even important issues to be known to.
I Cant thank you more, extremely joys conversation refreshingly mind blowing... Blogging theology and Imam Tom have positively refreshed our minds in many ways. Jazakallahu khairan.
Thank you "Both" for an informative and great introduction to a good book.
Brother Paul, Keep up the Great work...Very scholarly and informative sessions. Thank you. Will love to hear on the Inheritance Law. Brother Tom, Interesting discourse on Shariah....🙂
Thankful for your explanation & summary, bringing this info to the masses. I probably won't be able to understand the book by myself, as my English is not of that level. Very educational indeed.
What an incredible youtube channel this is! Simply brilliant content!
Thank you brother. Both of you may Allah bless you and your family
Excellent guest! Imam Tom is eloquent and this is a fascinating topic.
Top quality analysis of an excellent book 👍🏼
MashaAllah Brother. Please keep it going.
@Paul: Thanks a lot for this great series with Tom.. Hope you will be able to organize a series of sessions with Dr Hallaq regarding his entire project..Please do your best.. by the way Tom is in New York as well as Dr Hallaq, and here you go, you know where to go :-)
I red Hallaq's Impossible State. Its a mind opening book. I find his arguments very relevant and authentic.
Very informative discussion!
Paul I was thinking of an idea that might help. Imam tom has fantastic sound system with that mic and it really is of the highest quality. My guess is you're using a laptop speaker rather than a mic. Given the wide reach and importance of your channel and the podcast nature of your discussions, I really think it's worth investing in a better sound system. Perhaps ask Imam Tom for advice! 🙂
Thanks for the advice! You are completely right. Hopefully I will make significant improvements son, inshah Allah.
@@BloggingTheology Thanks Paul. insha'Allah I will sign up to your patron soon and contribute in a small way.
This was very interesting discussion of the book.
Great discussion, far better than most other channels
Ahh Imam Tom the Gem MaashaAllah
Very insightful maa shaa Allah!
Alhumdulila! What a lovely educational dialogue, thoroughly enjoyed it!
Heard it on Spotify, Jazakallah khair. Must admit, I am so fascinated by the concept of living under Sharia without the modern structures of political state based on Western ideals. I can't even imagine what that would look like though.
There's a lovely podcast with the author for Arabic speakers totally recommend from إذاعة ثمانية
وائل حلاق : الدولة و الحرية و كيف تفكك المجتمع، بودكاست فنجان
Subtitles in English are available
Very good discussion and explanation. Thanks brothers Tom and Paul
Much needed topic discussion.
Superb session Bro. Jazakallah.
Need to watch this
Paul. May Allah reward you. My only comllaint is these videos aren't long or frequent enough.😅
Tom said a citizen have a freedom now for ex to wear what one wants, please note that in Europe for example in France you are Not allowed to wear Hijab.
"If the Shari´a can disband the goverment, then the Shari´a has ultimate authority. and if goverment can disband Shari´a, then the state has ultimate authority"
That note was on spot, thank you very much for this nice conversation.
Quick summary for the curious:
Wael Hallak's Sharī'a: Theory, Practice, Transformations is a comprehensive exploration of the Islamic legal system. It examines the history, development, and current application of Sharī'a law, as well as its potential for transformation in the modern world. The book provides an in-depth analysis of the various sources of Sharī'a law, including the Qur'an, Sunnah, and Ijma, and discusses the role of Islamic jurisprudence in the interpretation and application of Sharī'a. It also examines the impact of modernity on Sharī'a law, and the potential for reform and transformation. The book provides a comprehensive overview of the Islamic legal system, and is an invaluable resource for anyone interested in understanding the complexities of Sharī'a law.
Absolutely brilliant!
Best ❤️ Regards Brother Poulwilliom 😘 thanks 👍
Assalamualaikum brother paul, greeting from your subsrciber in indonesia
About how Sharia and the state (or the lack there of) used to function, there is an amaizing book
" Sultaniyya" by Shaykh Dr. Abdalqadir Sufi.
There better be a next session.😁
Brother Paul, Great discussion. Brother Tom is very articulate and knowledgeable. And so are you. Most Muslims have a vague understanding of Sharia. Can you arrange a discussion on it with an authority of Sharia?
To Mir Ali
After you posted that reply to me that guy erased his comment. Are you happy now? What did anybody gain from that insensitive remark you made?
And when it comes to the subject at hand, This person Hallaq and Imam Tom promoting his book. Hallaq starts with a grave mistake and then leads into another error. Probably because He does not really understand Islam or is stuck with a particular understanding of Islam which is more likely.
Did you accept everything that was said without finding any faults?
Mashallah 💖 I didn't know John Mulaney reverted
Finally!
As salaam alaikum Brother Paul. As salaam alaikum Blogging Theology fans:
As expected this show was a continuation of Blogging Theology great intellectual and informative podcast. I am curious about one thing however. Is the quest employing that Muslim countries were truly following the sharia 800-1200 ce?
If you provide the pdf link of the referenced books during discussion, if possible, it will be helpful for those to whom that's are not available always!
Superb Elucidation
Asking: Where I can find Paul's quote on hallaq that Paul mentioned in the last minute of this video? Such nice quote.
Almost impossible to watch the video. It is interrupted every 10 to 20 sec. This is always happen when youtube (and Facebook, twitter, etc) feels that the subject in discussion is potentially dangerous to the secular ideology. Islam is their nightmare. With these advert interruptions, they chase any curious mind, particularly westerners. They are not blocking the video as it is needed for their own statistical analysis to decide their next move. In few days, this video will get hard to find. Anyway, yamkouroun wa yamkorroo Allah wa Allahoo ahssan al ma kireen
I don’t know what you are talking about the video is playing fine
After watching this I realize my ignorance. Keep up the good work.
palestine christian actually have been "brother & sister" to our palastine muslim for so long(as what history said)..and both of the muslim&christian palastenian are speaking Arabic as their "mother tounge"
Mashaallah
Uvamir Anjum has a very good critique on this book.
🔴 *The Apostle Paul's Terrible Error* 🔴
📍In the Old Testament:
=>the Holy Place contains: Table of Showbread (Showbread on it) + Candlestick + Altar of Incense.
=>the Holy of Holies contains: Ark of the Covenant
" Hebrews 9:2-4 " *“²For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. ³ And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; ⁴ Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant”.*
There are three errors :
- Firstly, Paul mentioned the Table *AND* the Showbread, knowing that the latter is already *ON* the Table. (Exodus 25:30 “And thou shalt set *upon* the table shewbread before me alway.”)
- The second error is that Paul mentioned the golden censer in the Holy of Holies. Moreover, If we suppose that the golden censer is an element in the Holy of Holies, why was it not mentioned in the Torah or in the Jewish heritage? It is not logical that it's not mentioned in the Torah and then Paul mentioned it after that. The fourth verse mentioned the golden censer then the Ark of the Covenant which contained the Golden Pot, Aaron’s Rod, and the Tablets of the Stone; if the golden censer was of Aaron’s legacy, then Paul should have mentioned it among the contents of the Ark of the Covenant, not in the Holy of Holies.
- The third error is that Paul did not mention the Altar of Incense at all.
- *Father Matta El Meskeen. The Epistle to the Hebrews: Explanation and Study, pp. 519-520:* the Altar of Incense: the Apostle Paul did not mention it here, and the reasons and interpretations differed.... and in Hebrews 9:4, he mentioned a golden censer, baffling the commentators, because it is known that the Altar of Incense is in the Sanctuary.
- *John Gill's Exposition:* but here a difficulty arises, how this can be said to have been in the holy of holies, and within the vail, when, according to Moses, it was without the vail, and was only carried within on the day of atonement; and so Philo the Jew (a) places it in the other part of the tabernacle; and it seems as if it was to avoid this difficulty, that the Ethiopic version has removed it from this verse to verse the second, and put it among the things that were in the holy place.
- *Franz Delitzsch. Commentary On The Epistle To Hebrews, pp. 54-55:* Such being the Hellenistic usage, and in particular that that of Josephus and Philo, whose phraseology has so many points of resemblance to that of other author, it seems impossible to escape the conclusion that θυμιατηριον means here the incense-altar, and nothing else. It would be, moreover, a quite inexplicable omission in this connection, had he said nothing about it. But if θυμιατηριον here I the altar of incense, the sacred writer appears to be involved in the grosse error of supposing that this golden altar, of which Philo says correctly that it stood between the golden candlestick and the holy table… and Bleek draws thence the conclusion that he could not have been a Jew of Palestine: but even supposing him to have been an Alexandrine Jew, he must have been a monster of ignorance and forgetfulness to be capable of such a mistake.
- *Ellicot’s Commentary for English Readers:* The incense-altar and the ark are coupled together, and the word which describes their relation to the Holiest Place is that which, a little later in this verse, distinctly signifies "containing." So weighty is this consideration that many have been unable to avoid the conclusion that the writer has erred in this matter of detail; and various suppositions have been resorted to in explanation of his mistake.
- *Expositor's Greek Testament:* ... and the versions of Symmachus and Theodotion in Exodus 31 use θυμιατήριον for “altar of incense”. Besides, the form of the word indicates that it could be used of anything on which incense is offered. It was, therefore, understood of the “altar” by Clement Alex. and other fathers; by Calvin, who says, “quo nomine altare suffitus vel thymiamatis potius intelligo quam thuribulum;” and by most modern scholars. As has frequently been urged it is incredible that in describing the furniture of the tabernacle there should be no mention of the altar of incense. Difficulty has been felt regarding the position here assigned to it, for in fact it stood outside the veil; and the author has been charged with error.
✴️One of the commentators say that Paul mentioned the golden censer in the Holy of Holies for fear of theft and to be in a safe place, and this is very funny because the commentator forgot that the Candlestick and the Table are plated with gold. Therefore, the commentary is ridiculous, because even if the golden censer was moved to the Holy of Holies for fear of theft, the Candlestick and the Table are plated with gold too (Exodus 25).
🔴 The question remains, why did Paul not mention the Altar of Incense? There are two solutions, the sweetest of which is bitter; either Paul did not write by inspiration or he is an ignorant liar.
Blogging Theology have you read the Samaritan Chronicle (Tribe of Ephraim's version of Book of Joshua)?
I would love to hear from imam Tom Bout his experience in Saudi Arabia, for instance what was people oponions on what is happening in saudi araiba in terms of liberalisation and the attack on religions scholars.
The works of Jamel Akbar explain very well what it means to not use the modern state apparatus and why it's so much better and more in line with Islamic values and human rights
Could I please request an interview with Talal Asad or Gil Anidjar or Ian Almond. These are tremendously exciting scholars on the subject of Islam.
Excerpt for the curious:
In Transformations, Wael Hallaq describes living in the classical period of Islamic law as being characterized by a strong emphasis on legal reasoning and the application of legal principles to real-world situations. He argues that this approach was replaced by a more literal interpretation of Islamic law in the modern era, leading to a decline in the quality of legal reasoning and a decrease in the ability of Islamic law to address contemporary issues.
ماشاء الله ، الله يوفقكم .
May Allah Protect Our Scholars. We should be more happy and thankful for the Muslim World and how well Muslims have put up with the forces of colonialism. At the end of the day, the truth at it's worst, will always be better than falsehood at its best.
Brilliant! Two great minds talking about deep philosophical and intellectual ideas..
Anglo-American Muslim convert duo.
Please can someone share the short immanuel kant book shared by Uncle Paul I've unfortunately lost my place and can't find it. Jazakallah kahyr.
Foundations of the Metaphysics of Morals