He was one of the ones who cheered when they attacked WOTC at their VTT summit, and that's how he helped build his channel on someone else's accolades.
I play with adults - I make sure that anyone joining knows this is an R18 game, just like at the movies. No, I'm not going to include all manner of gratuitous stuff deliberately - but there will be mayhem and murder disturbingly described. That's the game I play, if people aren't comfortable they can leave the theatre of the mind. I'll even refund their ticket.
A wise man once said to me "I'm a game master, not a therapist". I feel this applies to this day. As for the safety tools thing, I've made it clear I don't allow them at my table because I choose to respect the fact that my players are adults. Even if the "tools" are never used, I do not appreciate the presence of a sword of damocles reading my intentions in the worst possible light. But I've gone over this already. Many times.
Ah yes, the old "these guys are bad, so anything we do to them is fine and justified" attitude. Formerly known as hypocrisy, now known as standard procedure for most social media idiots.
Well he's quite the charmer isn't he? The fact that he resorts to using his followers to ganging up and mass [false reporting] shows him to be a gutless wonder unable to defend his arguments with reasoned debate.
You kicked the Ginny Di simp hive. You criticized the queen bee and the simpies started swarming. Your points are all valid and rational but you have to remember you are not dealing with adults here.
Interestingly, my initial comment disappeared so I wonder if it was vanished by the AI as it was quite acerbic and featured the use of the word "cunt". In short - he clearly didn't understand the nuances of your video, cherry-picked that article in order to misrepresent you to his audience, and then goes on to encourage dogpiling in lieu of reasoned discourse......adults talking, to directly quote him? What a Rodney. Edit: Having read through his comment secion......his audience is nothing but an echo chamber who clearly lack any degree of second-order thinking, or critical analysis. What is it about the wokescalds and their ilk that seemingly rewards a complete lack of willingness to examine any given source and take an activist at face value, no matter his stance regarding channel takedowns and strikes? It's almost as if their desire to be viewed as inclusive and "right on" precludes any degree of self-examination, and they cannot see the hypocrisy of abusing systems that are in place to prevent those actions whilst at the same time championing safety tools....
Someone compared that type to Football Hooligans recently, as opposed to activists. The statement boiled down to "Activists engage in conflict in order to support their beliefs. Hooligans engage with beliefs in order to have an excuse for conflict." "Hooligan" seems to be a good term to describe the type, independent of their particular politics.
I've been playing tabletops for probably around a decade at this point. I do talk about safety tools with my group but they've never actually come up at all. So I don't really see anything wrong with them, but I agree that for me they don't have any actual practical use. I agree 100% with what you're saying.
Indestructoboy's comments on his video indicate that he'd be happy to talk with Jim, but he still seems to feel entirely justified in including Jim in his video. On the one hand, I'd like to see Jim get a chance to lay out his views in front of Taron's audience. On the other hand, I hate to see Jim even having to engage with the guy. At least no amount of video editing could ever make Taron seem smarter than Jim.
Once again we seem to be seeing battles for point scoring and clicks. I do not blame you for wanting to correct the record. It's interesting to watch things like this. People will fight to the death over an old bone that's already been chewed on by everyone else. Misguided click bait does work though. It's not going away.
Social Contracts & Safety Tools are made irrelevant if you simply sit down with your group and have a little chat with them about it all at session Zero. Normally this type of thing is not needed as most gaming groups usually know one another quite well. I suppose a case could be made for newer gaming groups using some of these things, but to me its something I will not use. Usually I warn my players of any mature or adult themes well in advance so they know exactly what some of these things are going into it. If they don't want to endure any of those things, I give them the opportunity to mention it there and then, & I also allow them the fade to black option at a later time if it occurs at one of those unplanned moments that sometimes happens.
Adults, having a conversation, concerning a game they will be playing - a common sense approach?! ;-) That is seemingly an alien concept to the intellectual liberal gaming cognoscenti, and their insistence on further layers of measures amuses me hugely.
@@AnonAdderlan Session Zero is just a pretentious name for the first session where everyone rolls up characters and you get maybe an hour of actual gaming at the end.
I refuse to have "safety tools" at my table because I only play with adults. If one of my players has an issue I want them to talk to me as adults. If you have something awkward then talk to me. I will not change/pause the game because one person finds issue with it (obviously as an adult myself who respects my players I'm going to have something egregious like murdering minors or violent rape in a typical D&D adventure, if such things may occur it would be covered in a session 0).
Just remember with safety tools they go both ways. You as a GM can use them as a disclaimer, and to filter unstable and/or disruptive people from your games.
It would have been so much easier for you to delete the offending article. You didn't. Agree or disagree you are at least authentic in what you believe. Unfortunately we live in a time of mob censorship fueled by headlines. There is no room for Nuance.
I've seen a number of the response videos to Ginny Di's statement and yours was the most well argued and the least offensive. Do I like Ginny Di's content? Yes but do I agree with her statement and do I use safety tools? No
heck I seen safety tools being put into kickstarters.. but honestly i been ignoring that.. thanks to the greater safety tool. being Rule Zero/Session Zero. Or Double Zero Tools as I think they should be called. XD
I do see a potential for lines to be crossed - oh thats way more graphic than I was expecting, erm... And those things may not get covered well in a session zero for one reason or another, for example a scenario may be planned with no violence or combat and the players decide they want to go in all guns blazing anyway. Or one player decides to torture an NPC. Or a misunderstanding happens - "you only killed my character because I told you he was gay" or whatever. That said I dont see safety tools at least as they exist now as bringing anything useful to the table.
@@xr33tk I think that called.. talking it out. I heard it works wonders. XD It mostly how DnD horror stories are started and typed up. The Dm and Players/party never talked about it. It mostly how you get those "That Guy" stories and all sorts.
Innovation from the 70's, 80's, 90's and 2000's would never have happened with 'safety tools' (Not rpg's only). Safety Tools offer a level of relevancy to those wielding it's 'power'. There are other ways to achieve the 'importance' in innovation they seek, with censorship being the least of them. Much like every 'latest and greatest' edition of D&D, more rules means less & less imagination with each new release. It's a hard lesson for some to learn. See also WOTC as of late.
@PostmortemVideo Any variation of "Demographic X can't comment on subject Y" is bloody stupid. Maybe not prejudiced, but I'd rather be careful about letting her handle crayons and glue.
Huh, guess down the road I will get cancelled too… I don’t think “safety tools” are conducive towards a healthy role playing game, they weren’t need when I was a kid in the 70s or for like the past 50ish years, I encourage people using words and not useless therapy tools, I understand discussing their use and how other people use them (I did a video on them too but it is humorous), they just aren’t needed in my opinion… simply because someone introduced it, and it’s new doesn’t inherently mean it’s better, an evolutionary improvement of games, or actually useful. Drama Queens won’t use safety tools anyway, they will be too triggered and traumatised to lay the card down, and instead will suffer silently then go out to the community and cry fake crocodile tears and slander everyone playing that night to be a fake victim… so they get their positive reward of people paying attention to them, feeling pity for them, feeling they need to be helped, defended, or championed… it’s sick twisted behaviour and I refuse to be manipulated, bullied, encourage or enable this psychologically unhealthy behaviour. As to censorship or lack there of, any content rules start with the GMs rules and in the pre game chats concerning the type of game content that is ok. It is the GMs responsibility to grow a set and talk to their players, enforce any rules including what content is allowed for that game session. It is irresponsible for a GM to advocate their responsibilities to players who might not stop a game despite the out of line or poor behaviour of an individual player. I would like to point out the obvious: the same GM that runs an X rated game might also run a G rated game with completely different expectations for what is appropriate as far as player language, behaviour and PC actions because of vast differences in the folks playing.
Ginny D: [Has bad take] Multiple Creators: Hey this is a bad take. White Knight: Why are you making a coordinated attack against m'lady!?!? FFS, disagreement isn't an attack, and multiple people criticizing the same thing isn't a coordinated assault.
@@PostmortemVideo He's a typical clout chaser and clickbait builder, so you're right... honestly, not dissimilar from Diversity and Dragons in a way. EDIT: Perhaps this was a bit of a harsh attack, especially after some clearing of the air. To a degree, we were mad by what happened before and let that affect our judgement.
@@PostmortemVideo ohforgodsake how long have they been doing that? I've noticed comments seemingly be there, but not be visible when viewing from an incognito window or not logged in. ... censorship. Indeed. On this "most popular" video platform, run by scum.
Correction: Safety Tools were _not_ present in Far Verona. However it wouldn't have mattered if they were. And to be fair folks in this circle are going way too hard on Ginny and making things about her rather than her position on safety tools, which has only led to proving their point.
Don't let the bastards grind you down Jim, you're a timeless character of English literature & gaming as far as I'm concerned, and a cut above everyone else involved in the video, including Taron. Prima facie evidence would suggest he has a bit of a 'checkered past' with the concept of safety... As for Ginny? A little bit racist and sexist or a little bit racy and sexy? A bit from column A and a bit from column B I guess. I don't watch her content myself, too zoomey. Her milkshake seems to bring all the boys to the yard though.
Sorry, indestructo, she's not into you.
This guy is the living caricature of how he shoot the arrow in one direction and that same arrow hit them after going around the world
You pissed off Indestructocuck? I'm subscribing to you now!
He was one of the ones who cheered when they attacked WOTC at their VTT summit, and that's how he helped build his channel on someone else's accolades.
Simps gonna simp.
I play with adults - I make sure that anyone joining knows this is an R18 game, just like at the movies. No, I'm not going to include all manner of gratuitous stuff deliberately - but there will be mayhem and murder disturbingly described. That's the game I play, if people aren't comfortable they can leave the theatre of the mind. I'll even refund their ticket.
Selfdestructoboy
He's typical in every way, including the unearned righteous indignation and love of authoritarian tactics.
A wise man once said to me "I'm a game master, not a therapist". I feel this applies to this day. As for the safety tools thing, I've made it clear I don't allow them at my table because I choose to respect the fact that my players are adults. Even if the "tools" are never used, I do not appreciate the presence of a sword of damocles reading my intentions in the worst possible light.
But I've gone over this already. Many times.
"in TTRPG"' is not "in real life" I don't think we should tolerate _killing people_ in real life, although that will surprise some people, I suppose
Ah yes, the old "these guys are bad, so anything we do to them is fine and justified" attitude. Formerly known as hypocrisy, now known as standard procedure for most social media idiots.
"You see, it's okay when WE do it because we call ourselves The Good Guy Squad so everything we do is good"
"Adults talk, therefore we don't need safety tools." -YES, THIS! SO THIS!!!
Makes me want to subscribe twice.
Safety tools are for babies. Go get therapy children. Then come back well-adjusted to play Elf games with the rest of the adults.
Well he's quite the charmer isn't he? The fact that he resorts to using his followers to ganging up and mass [false reporting] shows him to be a gutless wonder unable to defend his arguments with reasoned debate.
Cheers Jim.
You kicked the Ginny Di simp hive. You criticized the queen bee and the simpies started swarming.
Your points are all valid and rational but you have to remember you are not dealing with adults here.
Weird thing is that any criticism that Jim leveled at Ginny was feather light. He barely mentioned her.
@@heymitch100 Just disagreeing with her publicly is enough.
I accidently kicked an evil purple haired FB cowz wasp nest and had a vey bad time. Some of yawl already know who she is.
@@EldradWolfsbane That's not really helpful.
@@heymitch100 I was the victim of a very malicious person and their hangers on who ruined one of my spaces, not you.
Interestingly, my initial comment disappeared so I wonder if it was vanished by the AI as it was quite acerbic and featured the use of the word "cunt".
In short - he clearly didn't understand the nuances of your video, cherry-picked that article in order to misrepresent you to his audience, and then goes on to encourage dogpiling in lieu of reasoned discourse......adults talking, to directly quote him?
What a Rodney.
Edit:
Having read through his comment secion......his audience is nothing but an echo chamber who clearly lack any degree of second-order thinking, or critical analysis. What is it about the wokescalds and their ilk that seemingly rewards a complete lack of willingness to examine any given source and take an activist at face value, no matter his stance regarding channel takedowns and strikes?
It's almost as if their desire to be viewed as inclusive and "right on" precludes any degree of self-examination, and they cannot see the hypocrisy of abusing systems that are in place to prevent those actions whilst at the same time championing safety tools....
Someone compared that type to Football Hooligans recently, as opposed to activists. The statement boiled down to "Activists engage in conflict in order to support their beliefs. Hooligans engage with beliefs in order to have an excuse for conflict." "Hooligan" seems to be a good term to describe the type, independent of their particular politics.
@@bearnaff9387
A pertinent distinction. Hooligan it is ^^
I bet that guy calls her m’lady 😂 great video man
Oh this guy, I unsubbed from his channel months back.😅
Good choice.
I've been playing tabletops for probably around a decade at this point. I do talk about safety tools with my group but they've never actually come up at all. So I don't really see anything wrong with them, but I agree that for me they don't have any actual practical use. I agree 100% with what you're saying.
I see that Indestructoboy replied about an hour ago. Neat, I hope this becomes a thing and a discussion that we can watch.
I've been sleepy as fuck today, was that a new video?
@@PostmortemVideo He did say that he would have a conversation. Whatever that's worth.
@@captainpazuzu we'll see
Indestructoboy's comments on his video indicate that he'd be happy to talk with Jim, but he still seems to feel entirely justified in including Jim in his video. On the one hand, I'd like to see Jim get a chance to lay out his views in front of Taron's audience. On the other hand, I hate to see Jim even having to engage with the guy.
At least no amount of video editing could ever make Taron seem smarter than Jim.
Oh no, I meant down in comments of this video
You did not rewind your VHS tape before returning it to Block Busters back on 1990!
Once again we seem to be seeing battles for point scoring and clicks. I do not blame you for wanting to correct the record.
It's interesting to watch things like this. People will fight to the death over an old bone that's already been chewed on by everyone else.
Misguided click bait does work though. It's not going away.
Because of that video I found this video and subscribed. So I guess it worked.🎉
Social Contracts & Safety Tools are made irrelevant if you simply sit down with your group and have a little chat with them about it all at session Zero. Normally this type of thing is not needed as most gaming groups usually know one another quite well. I suppose a case could be made for newer gaming groups using some of these things, but to me its something I will not use. Usually I warn my players of any mature or adult themes well in advance so they know exactly what some of these things are going into it. If they don't want to endure any of those things, I give them the opportunity to mention it there and then, & I also allow them the fade to black option at a later time if it occurs at one of those unplanned moments that sometimes happens.
Adults, having a conversation, concerning a game they will be playing - a common sense approach?! ;-)
That is seemingly an alien concept to the intellectual liberal gaming cognoscenti, and their insistence on further layers of measures amuses me hugely.
Plot Twist: Session Zero _is_ a Social Contract and Safety Tool.
Double plot twist, social contract maybe, 'safety' tool, no.
@@AnonAdderlan Session Zero is just a pretentious name for the first session where everyone rolls up characters and you get maybe an hour of actual gaming at the end.
I refuse to have "safety tools" at my table because I only play with adults. If one of my players has an issue I want them to talk to me as adults. If you have something awkward then talk to me. I will not change/pause the game because one person finds issue with it (obviously as an adult myself who respects my players I'm going to have something egregious like murdering minors or violent rape in a typical D&D adventure, if such things may occur it would be covered in a session 0).
Just remember with safety tools they go both ways. You as a GM can use them as a disclaimer, and to filter unstable and/or disruptive people from your games.
It would have been so much easier for you to delete the offending article. You didn't.
Agree or disagree you are at least authentic in what you believe. Unfortunately we live in a time of mob censorship fueled by headlines. There is no room for Nuance.
Most low-T pirate I've seen
I've seen a number of the response videos to Ginny Di's statement and yours was the most well argued and the least offensive. Do I like Ginny Di's content? Yes but do I agree with her statement and do I use safety tools? No
heck I seen safety tools being put into kickstarters.. but honestly i been ignoring that.. thanks to the greater safety tool. being Rule Zero/Session Zero. Or Double Zero Tools as I think they should be called. XD
I do see a potential for lines to be crossed - oh thats way more graphic than I was expecting, erm... And those things may not get covered well in a session zero for one reason or another, for example a scenario may be planned with no violence or combat and the players decide they want to go in all guns blazing anyway. Or one player decides to torture an NPC. Or a misunderstanding happens - "you only killed my character because I told you he was gay" or whatever.
That said I dont see safety tools at least as they exist now as bringing anything useful to the table.
@@xr33tk I think that called.. talking it out. I heard it works wonders. XD It mostly how DnD horror stories are started and typed up. The Dm and Players/party never talked about it. It mostly how you get those "That Guy" stories and all sorts.
Hang in there, Jim!
Brother you nailed it, calm and accurate responses with supporting evidence. Well done! Subscribed!
Welcome aboard!
Indestratroboy strikes me as a younger version of the Simpsons comic book guy... but with with much lower T
Alright, what’s the best way to get in touch? Here or an email?
Simp
Email is grim AT post DASH mort DOT com, or my 'X' dms are open.
Dude.
Who is the cylopean homunculous?
I'm glad he tuned me in to your channel! Us Y tubers have to stick together!
- The Innkeeper
It actually made me realize I had somehow become unsubscribed from Jim's channel
Innovation from the 70's, 80's, 90's and 2000's would never have happened with 'safety tools' (Not rpg's only). Safety Tools offer a level of relevancy to those wielding it's 'power'. There are other ways to achieve the 'importance' in innovation they seek, with censorship being the least of them. Much like every 'latest and greatest' edition of D&D, more rules means less & less imagination with each new release. It's a hard lesson for some to learn. See also WOTC as of late.
Exactly.
Wait, what did Ginni say about white guys that I missed?
Check Dungeons and Diversity's channel, but keep in mind it's cherrypicked.
@PostmortemVideo Any variation of "Demographic X can't comment on subject Y" is bloody stupid. Maybe not prejudiced, but I'd rather be careful about letting her handle crayons and glue.
Huh, guess down the road I will get cancelled too… I don’t think “safety tools” are conducive towards a healthy role playing game, they weren’t need when I was a kid in the 70s or for like the past 50ish years, I encourage people using words and not useless therapy tools, I understand discussing their use and how other people use them (I did a video on them too but it is humorous), they just aren’t needed in my opinion… simply because someone introduced it, and it’s new doesn’t inherently mean it’s better, an evolutionary improvement of games, or actually useful. Drama Queens won’t use safety tools anyway, they will be too triggered and traumatised to lay the card down, and instead will suffer silently then go out to the community and cry fake crocodile tears and slander everyone playing that night to be a fake victim… so they get their positive reward of people paying attention to them, feeling pity for them, feeling they need to be helped, defended, or championed… it’s sick twisted behaviour and I refuse to be manipulated, bullied, encourage or enable this psychologically unhealthy behaviour.
As to censorship or lack there of, any content rules start with the GMs rules and in the pre game chats concerning the type of game content that is ok. It is the GMs responsibility to grow a set and talk to their players, enforce any rules including what content is allowed for that game session. It is irresponsible for a GM to advocate their responsibilities to players who might not stop a game despite the out of line or poor behaviour of an individual player. I would like to point out the obvious: the same GM that runs an X rated game might also run a G rated game with completely different expectations for what is appropriate as far as player language, behaviour and PC actions because of vast differences in the folks playing.
Ginny D: [Has bad take]
Multiple Creators: Hey this is a bad take.
White Knight: Why are you making a coordinated attack against m'lady!?!?
FFS, disagreement isn't an attack, and multiple people criticizing the same thing isn't a coordinated assault.
Stop making sense Grim. This is the Internet.
But really, it's interesting that he wants to talk to you. Hopefully, that'll go well for everyone involved.
Been here before, people usually get intimidated out of following through.
@@PostmortemVideo He's a typical clout chaser and clickbait builder, so you're right... honestly, not dissimilar from Diversity and Dragons in a way.
EDIT: Perhaps this was a bit of a harsh attack, especially after some clearing of the air. To a degree, we were mad by what happened before and let that affect our judgement.
@@docnecrotic Everyone deserves a chance.
@@PostmortemVideo Quite. I'm just agreeing that clickbaiters are usually cowards.
Good vid.
My comment disappeared hope you didn't delete it lol 😂
I don't delete comments unless they're spam or have no content. I even replied to your comment. TH-cam may have removed it.
@@PostmortemVideo ohforgodsake how long have they been doing that? I've noticed comments seemingly be there, but not be visible when viewing from an incognito window or not logged in.
... censorship. Indeed. On this "most popular" video platform, run by scum.
I was able to see it by pressing 'newest' as the comments viewing option. 'Top' shows only part of what people post.
Correction: Safety Tools were _not_ present in Far Verona. However it wouldn't have mattered if they were. And to be fair folks in this circle are going way too hard on Ginny and making things about her rather than her position on safety tools, which has only led to proving their point.
They were, behind the scenes there was an 'X card' present.
Don't let the bastards grind you down Jim, you're a timeless character of English literature & gaming as far as I'm concerned, and a cut above everyone else involved in the video, including Taron.
Prima facie evidence would suggest he has a bit of a 'checkered past' with the concept of safety...
As for Ginny? A little bit racist and sexist or a little bit racy and sexy? A bit from column A and a bit from column B I guess. I don't watch her content myself, too zoomey.
Her milkshake seems to bring all the boys to the yard though.