Some additional notes: I purposely kept the camera IQ settings all zeroed out. Had I increased noise reduction to maybe -2 or higher, I would have had less noise. However, for this video, I just wanted to test with default settings. As if you just picked up the camera, with no extra adjustments, and went out shooting in low light to see what would happen. If you do use ACROS, try playing around with the sharpening or noise reduction setting in-camera and see what results you get.
I hope fuji gives you the recognition you well deserved and free cameras and lenses. Your channel has by far been the most educational similar to andrew & denae, omar.
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Hey. Thanks for the breakdown video. A couple of key points of info: Monochrome is actually the grey scale of Provia so it's no surprise that they are very similar. Also, Acros has a built-in grain to it that you cannot completely remove, so it's not that it's performing worse ISO-wise.
Acros was intended to be a “grainy” film simulation from Fuji’s own website so it’s not surprising you found this to be the case. I actually like the noisier looking image as it creates a certain nostalgic look. Here is what Fuji has to say about Acros: “To achieve the ACROS like texture, the film-like “graininess” is another important element. To be specific, ACROS mode has a completely different noise reduction algorithm from other modes. The “graininess” of the silver-halide films are what we see as “noise” in the digital data. For color images, they are the unwanted noise, but in the monochrome images, it becomes an important texture.”
Thank you for your hard work and all of the valuable information you provide. In my opinion, you have the best Fujifilm-centric TH-cam channel, bar none. Early on (since the X-T1) I standardized on using Pro Neg Std. Why? I shot film from 1970-2001 and with my medium format cameras, standardized on Kodak’s Vericolor III professional color negative film as it provided moderate contrast, very fine grain, true to life colors and details in highlights and shadows. I see almost the exact same characteristics in the Pro Neg. std. film simulations. It renders beautifully. Again, thank you for all you do.
Certainly everyone has their own taste's when it comes to grain in their simulations. My favourite simulation of all time is Acros cranked all the way up to 12800 with no NR or artificial grain. Even if you think you want lower noise in your images in general, if you've never tried high ISO's on both colour and B+W simulations on the fuji system id say give it a shot. I found my top favourite simulations in both colour and monochrome function best when i shot them above 3200. Of course colour falls apart beyond 6400, but really try cranking up your monochrome simulations to the absolute limit. You might like the result! pst pst, Fuji-X weekly has lots of simulations. If you're starting out, try experimenting from the simulations already out there.
You're the Man...but don't forget to add the Red filter to that mix ! I like my grain as I like my coffee : black as the night and hot as hell, and lots of it
by the way in digital photography when you apply more ISO it's not grain, it's noise from amplifying signal, just like you get distortion in a radio when you crank up the volume too high and it gets distorted, same thing.. That so called grain your seeing is not grain at all it's noise it's the digital signal image falling apart from trying to boost the signal, In film photography that is grain, grain in film photography is from the chemicals on the negative, it's the same pattern no matter what picture how ever in digital it's noise that is never the same pattern and also showing color distortion and color falling apart..> it's not grain it's simply garbage your seeing because the signal has been depleted. it's just like taking a drink in one glass you got a full glass of whiskey, the other you got half whiskey and half water, the one with half and half will not get you as drunk as the one with pure whiskey and no water, same idea with ISO.. It's an image that is watered down because they wasn't enough pure exposure so water was added to brighten up the picture.. th-cam.com/video/8vcpiswF3y0/w-d-xo.html there is one video that proves this. th-cam.com/video/1sMn6Nc5a2I/w-d-xo.html
@@AMomentInTimeProductions yea I’m aware but personally I don’t care about the specifics so much. I like what I see and I don’t get caught up with the pixel peep perfection. I’m perfectly happy with how I shoot with my Fuji.
Interesting, I eschew grain for the opposite to match my personal aesthetic: -1 shadows, +2 noise reduction and+1 sharpness. The dark shadows mean the subject pops more, and the noise reduction smooths the image
That's fantastic! Required viewing for anyone who wants to make the most of their film sims. All that work is much appreciated. BTW, I believe your original ISO video is also where we see the birth of "THE like and subscribe."
Thank you so much Eric!!! Excited to make live now!! And I'll need to go back and check that. There's a story behind that I'll share at the 100K celebration!
I absolutely love to use Pro Neg Std and Classic Chrome. I use these for almost everything. I mainly use Pro Neg Std for fashion studio work and Classic Chrome for car shoots/outdoor portraits.
Check Pro Standard as RAW. Pro Neg Standard is a sim of the old NPS series films, which were famous for being pushed. Lots of sports photos taken with NPH-800 pushed a stop. I'm wonder if the color handling makes your eyes skip over the grain/noise.
You are the best! I like the change to the intro. A very timely video. With winter settling in in Canada I am taking images at our local museums in poor light. 6400 is common.
For years before I got a digital camera, I shot in very low light using HP5 and stand developed in Rodinal. Now I use the Acros film simulation and it looks downright clean. Ha! Great video as always, thank you!
Confirms my findings with acros and monochrome. I really didn’t know what to think of this bad performance. You made it wonderfully clear. Thanks a lot and keep on your fine and enjoyable channel.
Being a film shooter also, I like the grain that's added to Acros. I have a Capture One preset that adds a little more grain that will approximate Acros film pretty well.
Like Acros Fuji adds grain to Bleach Bypass to emulate the film process. Bypassing the bleaching process which keeps the silver which produces more grain.
I think Fujifilm should really tap onto the creative power of their users and make a software/app enabling people to create complex color manipulation instructions, perhaps LUTs, which could be directly uploaded into their cameras. Also, we should be able to save manipulated images in RAW format along jpeg.
I enjoyed this video, thank you! I like what you said at 6:19! Recently I’ve really appreciated the film grain simulations. That retro vibe pretty much unique now (compared to the modern day devoid of noise RED look). 🕹👾⚡️🤘🏽
Yikes, I had to pause at 1:23 in. I’m 4-months new to Fuji with an x100v. One of the grand beauties (compared to Canon) is that upon importing RAW files into Lightroom Classic is the film simulation profile (Acros, Velvia, etc) stays with the file! It’s heavenly. Did I find a “gotcha?” Do I get points? 😁 And now back to the video. Love your vids.
Thanks for the tests!! At least now I know what to use for portraits and street photography. Interesting that some of my favourites are also the worst performing. Perhaps there's something about the grain from Acros and Classic Neg that adds to the image. Been trying to do contrasty shots in old/vintage locations and a bit of wabisabi from grain adds to the mood.
Modern cameras like the X-T4 only really have 2 real analog gain levels, or in other words have a dual gain architecture. Usually at the lowest non extended ISO and somewhere around ISO 800. All of the other values are just digital amplification and you can digitally amplify the RAW file in post and get a very similar result. Those two analog gain level are the only 2 real ISO values the camera has.
Thanks; extremely helpful. As an Acros fan I'll certainly switch to Monochrome in the conditions you describe here. I tend to use Eterna anyway so that's a relief!!
One thing I don’t see much info on is the different sharpening that occurs with the different film simulations. Eterna is obviously soft compared to say CC or Provia even though the sharp setting can be exactly the same.
Eh. Noise does not bother me at all. I would use any of the film sims at any ISO up to 12800. I don't think I have ever tried to shoot above that. If I am concerned about noise, I will try to add more light to my scene (as you said). If I cannot do that, I will just use the noise to my advantage by considering it an artistic element. I just crank up the grain setting.
Yep. Choosing between Eterna or Provia or PNS based on their high ISO noise performance is like choosing between a sports car, a pickup truck, or a station wagon based on their sound systems. Kinda misses the point.
MAN ! The same about video would be amazing. I guess F-log will clearly win, with this kind of 2000ISO kind of dual gain. But as Eterna stand well ! I would be amazed to test that also. I don't get the chart. But as you shown the camera more than the color chart, I'll do it my way xD Grest job, as always !
I'd say this info is more useful for video. I recently made the regrettable decision to film an event with challenging lighting conditions in Standard instead of Eterna, my usual go-to for video. Trying to clean up the footage on my limited computer has been a challenge.
Helpful! Have been seeing some noise with very tight crop in Velvia at ISO 800, with nature macros. Velvia has the look I want, but maybe there are better paths to that endpoint in some circumstances.
Thank you. I like black and white gig photos and have been using Achros. Very noisy but I think they look like the old film days. But I shall try monochrome or the eterna now and maybe will be clearer. As it’s dark and all manner of lights inside I am always at 3200 or higher
Very cool comparison! As a fairly new shooter, I rarely play with higher ISO. That said, I love ACROS, but I'll definitely keep Monochrome at the ready should I start bumping the ISO up!
I too love Across. Not a fan of grain. As you acknowledge in the video, these results are at the base levels. Looks like if I shoot high ISO with Across I need to lower or kill the grain. Thanks for conducting the tedious tests for our benefit. Mask on Nurse Marty
this is most interesting to see. I personally (sadly) still film video with my xt1 and without Etherna or Log I use the Pro Neg. Std and -2 on everything to try to get as a flat image as possible. Maybe Ill try at least Provia as an alternative if it creates less noise.
This gave me an idea! I’m new to all of this but what if you purposely shot high ISO even during the day to get a Granier look. Would this be way different vs adding the grain option in camera?
Very interesting thank you! I never noticed it before and actually use Acros when I shoot at 6400 thinking it makes the noise look better but obviously I was wrong. Besides I never use Monochrome, another obvious wrong decision. Now I shoot in RAW but I'll definitely give a try and compare with Acros next time I shoot in low light conditions. Thanks again! Cheers!
Respectfully, I also appreciate clean images but would like to offer another viewpoint, which is... If *you* think the Acros noise looks better at 6400, then it IS better. I have to believe that in any art form, our interpretation and taste play a huge role in what inspires us -- and this matters, to me, more than measurements. For example, I LOVE the grain Fuji adds to the Acros simulation. At low ISO I may add some weak (or even strong) grain with certain film sims, but at high ISO the Fuji noise can have an (almost) film-like look that I often like (without adding artificial grain in-camera).
Fuji seems to have intentionally designed their 'noise' to be smoother and inherently more 'grain' like than other brands. I have done some observation and am generalising somewhat but I don't think Fuji's noise character is bad. I find it useful. The iso amplified grain though not awful is not as good as the grain setting in the camera which is a great tool for film simulation building.
Congratulation , I have maybe a mental limitation , extremely rare going up 1600 . In fact try to stop on 640 then start to compromise in F till f 2 , after that velocity and taking risk in Blurring and going to 1/15 the internal IS for me holds well . Film Simulation I prefer Astia with H -2 S -2 color +3 sharpness +2 noise 0
So for family and general photography how high do you feel comfortable pushing ISO on a fugi camera? 3200? Do you have ant experience with Olympus cameras? How do they compare with fugi for iOS and low light shooting?
Thanks, that’s a great video to help understand some generalities about high ISO performance. It seems, that based on your video ProNeg Std is the winner above 3200 or Monochrome if you’re going for that look. Your overview definitely makes me rethink my use of Acros when I’m doing street photography in low-light settings.
Thanks! You could also keep the ACROS, but try turning down the sharpness to maybe -3 or so and see if that improves it. I used '0' for the setting but would love to do another comparison with the settings for that adjusted in-camera.
What an interesting comparison! Pro neg std and Eterna are two of the lowest contrast film sims. I wonder if that has anything to do with it? Ironic about Acros, as Acros film was renowned for being fine grain! I shoot a lot of Astro, always in raw. Might try some in jpeg. Irrespective of the film sim, the noise control in those jpegs is fantastic!
Hi do these film simulation modes help create cinematic look for movies? I like Sony A6400 better but am attracted by the Fuji feature as I have no colour grading knowledge nor do I want to do it! Any suggestions?
monochrome is just provia without colors, but acros actually have some taste and even more with filters on. But actually surprised the film simulations affects the noise, what makes you have the idea to test this?
What happened to my favorite intro music? I love the fact that it sounded like it was lifted straight out of the mid 90s. Now you are opting for some easy listening thing?
Dear pal2tech. Thank you for another great video. I'd like to get a variable ND filter as you also recommended. I use lenses that take 52 mm, 58 mm and 62 mm filters. Is it a good idea to get one 62 mm variable ND filter and 2 filter adapters for the smaller lenses or would you get a separate filter for each lens? Thanks!
fun fact! the DR setting, usabke to 200%, makes use of Fuji’s separate two paths of processing ISO… one used up to and including ISO 800, producing low noise, and one above, preserving highlights. the shadows are cleaner up unril 800 when using DR-setting > 100%. the main side effect of using DR, is that horrid HDR image effect
What's up with film simulation and White Balance? Can the choice of white balance cancel the effect of the film sim? Since it has influence on the colors?
Hi, I use the XT4 in aperture priority mode most of the time. I have noticed that if I set the ISO manually instead of keeping the ISO in automatic mode the camera will set a faster shutter speed in low light conditions. For example, if the Camera automatically sets the ISO to 6400 the camera will set the shutter speed at 50. If I manually set the ISO to 6400 the camera will set the shutter speed to 80. This is all other settings being the same. So if I manually set the ISO I can get slightly faster shutter speeds from the camera. Do you know why this would happen?
Hello ! I got mine recently with 18-55 mm , but the image quality is bad even when i shoot with low ISO , do you think something wrong with the cam ? Or it doesn't handle high iso in low light ? Thanks
Hello pal2tech! I’m having trouble regarding saving my white balance in the custom setting for the film simulation. Whenever I switch to the next custom film sim it will carry the white balance shift that was set on the first one I have tried on. Tried resetting the custom settings and saving it again but no luck.
So im turning insane... Ive been editing some raw fotos, and noticed, that they only look good on my screen: So I thought, maybe the screensettings are the issue, and if i just edit on my mac, itll be fine... right? WRONG. The same Raw pic is more yellow on my Tower Comouter and the Histogram shows it. Meaning it doesnt appear different, it is. I manually selected all the same settings. Is there some stuff hidden in Xraw studio, that maybe I changed a few month ago, and is still active? If so, why do my pictures look different anywhere else? (Iphone and mac?) Does the Histogram show the colors my screen shows? Im so confused :( Ive poured hours into this, and now my work is for the cat as we say in german. The pictures are more yellow, and a lot brighter on my screen, than on anyone elses...
What you see in most pics is sharpening "worms" and not noise! Try to set sharpening to -4, so it's completely switched off. So you have a much more "analog" texture. Acros is special, has much more sharpening in std, so there are more worms. Please give me feedback, because maybe I'm wrong. Btw. I love your canal.
Hi Markus, thanks for feedback! I'm not sure it's worms but if so, they are certainly contributing to the overall noise. I purposely used '0' for sharpening setting, but that certainly would affect it no doubt and would probably improve it. I just wanted to see what would happen if you used zero adjustments, picked up camera, and shot all the sims, etc.
@@pal2tech No, thank you for YOUR feedback. I tried long to get the most out of fuji jpgs for a most realistic "analog texture". With FUJI X RAW STUDIO you can directly compare the sharpening settings for the jps. With sharpening 0 there are always these "worms", for that the x-trans sensor is famous for (especially in Lightroom). Only -4 is switching sharpening off completely, I think. Acros with sharpening -4 and ISO 12400 is beautiful. Greetings from Germany
That is actually very true, i have just tested acros with 6400 iso, one with 0 sharpness and one with -4, the noise is much more pleasing to look at with -4 sharpness when punched in. It does feels more like smooth film grain! Thanks for sharing
@@projecthelium I always avoided Acros because of the reason Chris stated but never tried with 0 sharpness. I'll try with 0 sharpness and see if it gives me better result. Thanks for the tip. By the way, great video Chris as usual!
Some additional notes: I purposely kept the camera IQ settings all zeroed out. Had I increased noise reduction to maybe -2 or higher, I would have had less noise. However, for this video, I just wanted to test with default settings. As if you just picked up the camera, with no extra adjustments, and went out shooting in low light to see what would happen. If you do use ACROS, try playing around with the sharpening or noise reduction setting in-camera and see what results you get.
Thanks Chris!
I hope fuji gives you the recognition you well deserved and free cameras and lenses. Your channel has by far been the most educational similar to andrew & denae, omar.
Hey. Thanks for the breakdown video. A couple of key points of info: Monochrome is actually the grey scale of Provia so it's no surprise that they are very similar. Also, Acros has a built-in grain to it that you cannot completely remove, so it's not that it's performing worse ISO-wise.
Acros was intended to be a “grainy” film simulation from Fuji’s own website so it’s not surprising you found this to be the case. I actually like the noisier looking image as it creates a certain nostalgic look. Here is what Fuji has to say about Acros:
“To achieve the ACROS like texture, the film-like “graininess” is another important element.
To be specific, ACROS mode has a completely different noise reduction algorithm from other modes. The “graininess” of the silver-halide films are what we see as “noise” in the digital data. For color images, they are the unwanted noise, but in the monochrome images, it becomes an important texture.”
Thank you for your hard work and all of the valuable information you provide. In my opinion, you have the best Fujifilm-centric TH-cam channel, bar none. Early on (since the X-T1) I standardized on using Pro Neg Std. Why? I shot film from 1970-2001 and with my medium format cameras, standardized on Kodak’s Vericolor III professional color negative film as it provided moderate contrast, very fine grain, true to life colors and details in highlights and shadows. I see almost the exact same characteristics in the Pro Neg. std. film simulations. It renders beautifully. Again, thank you for all you do.
What a deep comparison! Please, talk more about fuji simulations. Very interesting topic is the look they reach when are overexposed.
Certainly everyone has their own taste's when it comes to grain in their simulations. My favourite simulation of all time is Acros cranked all the way up to 12800 with no NR or artificial grain. Even if you think you want lower noise in your images in general, if you've never tried high ISO's on both colour and B+W simulations on the fuji system id say give it a shot. I found my top favourite simulations in both colour and monochrome function best when i shot them above 3200. Of course colour falls apart beyond 6400, but really try cranking up your monochrome simulations to the absolute limit. You might like the result!
pst pst, Fuji-X weekly has lots of simulations. If you're starting out, try experimenting from the simulations already out there.
You're the Man...but don't forget to add the Red filter to that mix ! I like my grain as I like my coffee : black as the night and hot as hell, and lots of it
I agree. I personally love CN at 1600.
by the way in digital photography when you apply more ISO it's not grain, it's noise from amplifying signal, just like you get distortion in a radio when you crank up the volume too high and it gets distorted, same thing..
That so called grain your seeing is not grain at all it's noise it's the digital signal image falling apart from trying to boost the signal, In film photography that is grain, grain in film photography is from the chemicals on the negative, it's the same pattern no matter what picture how ever in digital it's noise that is never the same pattern and also showing color distortion and color falling apart..>
it's not grain it's simply garbage your seeing because the signal has been depleted.
it's just like taking a drink in one glass you got a full glass of whiskey, the other you got half whiskey and half water, the one with half and half will not get you as drunk as the one with pure whiskey and no water, same idea with ISO..
It's an image that is watered down because they wasn't enough pure exposure so water was added to brighten up the picture..
th-cam.com/video/8vcpiswF3y0/w-d-xo.html
there is one video that proves this.
th-cam.com/video/1sMn6Nc5a2I/w-d-xo.html
@@AMomentInTimeProductions yea I’m aware but personally I don’t care about the specifics so much. I like what I see and I don’t get caught up with the pixel peep perfection. I’m perfectly happy with how I shoot with my Fuji.
Interesting, I eschew grain for the opposite to match my personal aesthetic: -1 shadows, +2 noise reduction and+1 sharpness. The dark shadows mean the subject pops more, and the noise reduction smooths the image
That's fantastic! Required viewing for anyone who wants to make the most of their film sims. All that work is much appreciated. BTW, I believe your original ISO video is also where we see the birth of "THE like and subscribe."
Thank you so much Eric!!! Excited to make live now!! And I'll need to go back and check that. There's a story behind that I'll share at the 100K celebration!
Excellent video 😊!
I absolutely love to use Pro Neg Std and Classic Chrome. I use these for almost everything. I mainly use Pro Neg Std for fashion studio work and Classic Chrome for car shoots/outdoor portraits.
You are always the go to Fuji channel! Hey Fuji ya listening?
Check Pro Standard as RAW. Pro Neg Standard is a sim of the old NPS series films, which were famous for being pushed. Lots of sports photos taken with NPH-800 pushed a stop. I'm wonder if the color handling makes your eyes skip over the grain/noise.
You are the best! I like the change to the intro. A very timely video. With winter settling in in Canada I am taking images at our local museums in poor light. 6400 is common.
For years before I got a digital camera, I shot in very low light using HP5 and stand developed in Rodinal. Now I use the Acros film simulation and it looks downright clean. Ha! Great video as always, thank you!
Sorry you had to stand.
Confirms my findings with acros and monochrome. I really didn’t know what to think of this bad performance. You made it wonderfully clear. Thanks a lot and keep on your fine and enjoyable channel.
Glad I could help! Thank you so much!!
Being a film shooter also, I like the grain that's added to Acros. I have a Capture One preset that adds a little more grain that will approximate Acros film pretty well.
Sometimes you manage to find things I did not know I wanted to know.. and just do a home-run :D This was one of those
Thank you! 🙏 🙏 🙏
Thanks for this test. It confirms my unscientific and untested observations that my Acros-based pics are noisier than the black and white ones.
Like Acros Fuji adds grain to Bleach Bypass to emulate the film process. Bypassing the bleaching process which keeps the silver which produces more grain.
Professor Fuji! Great experiment! Aren't these cameras amazing! Still rocking my X-T3
Awesome Steve!!! X-T3 is best all-around mirrorless camera on the planet.
@@pal2tech my X-T2 produces grainy images. An idea for future videos perhaps -- how to make your images silky smooth
Thank you! Fantastic video! Can you tell me which fuji cameras have the classic negativ movie simulation? Thank you
Love me some film sims 🌹
I wondered about that...thanks for doing the work for us!
Awesome video! I'm also trying to find a good night film simulation. Hate editing night raw files
Thanks!!! Try out Pro Negative Standard or Monochrome...
Thank you so much Chris! So helpful! Been struggling with the noise in Fuji files (xt3)! Thanks!
Superb. I guessed Eterna, just on the basis that it acts a bit like higher dynamic range without *being* higher dynamic range :)
This is pure gold information!
Thank you, this answered my question. Great video, as always!
Fantastic!!! Thank you!!
I think Fujifilm should really tap onto the creative power of their users and make a software/app enabling people to create complex color manipulation instructions, perhaps LUTs, which could be directly uploaded into their cameras. Also, we should be able to save manipulated images in RAW format along jpeg.
I enjoyed this video, thank you! I like what you said at 6:19! Recently I’ve really appreciated the film grain simulations. That retro vibe pretty much unique now (compared to the modern day devoid of noise RED look).
🕹👾⚡️🤘🏽
Thanks Vishal!!!! I hope you're doing well man!!! 🙏
Yikes, I had to pause at 1:23 in. I’m 4-months new to Fuji with an x100v. One of the grand beauties (compared to Canon) is that upon importing RAW files into Lightroom Classic is the film simulation profile (Acros, Velvia, etc) stays with the file! It’s heavenly.
Did I find a “gotcha?” Do I get points? 😁
And now back to the video. Love your vids.
But if the film simulation is appended to the RAW then it aint RAW no more.
With a new intro.
Thanks for sharing.
You could also make a custom film simulation to get what you want at desired ISO value.
Classic Chrome is my go to for low light. Live music photography mostly.
Thanks for taking the time to put this together. You mention classic chrome negative but what about straight classic chrome. Any difference?
What a very nice review and discussion.. 👍👍👍
Thanks for the tests!! At least now I know what to use for portraits and street photography. Interesting that some of my favourites are also the worst performing. Perhaps there's something about the grain from Acros and Classic Neg that adds to the image. Been trying to do contrasty shots in old/vintage locations and a bit of wabisabi from grain adds to the mood.
Great review Chris and hugely helpful!
Thanks Florian!!!!!
Great video. Thanks for this, it is a real eye-opener!
Modern cameras like the X-T4 only really have 2 real analog gain levels, or in other words have a dual gain architecture. Usually at the lowest non extended ISO and somewhere around ISO 800. All of the other values are just digital amplification and you can digitally amplify the RAW file in post and get a very similar result. Those two analog gain level are the only 2 real ISO values the camera has.
I know it’s been a year but thanks so much for the excellent information.
This is super helpful information. Thank you.
Your videos always make smile. And learn something. Thanks. If you wanna turn up the dadJokes dial, it’s fine by me.
Thanks; extremely helpful. As an Acros fan I'll certainly switch to Monochrome in the conditions you describe here. I tend to use Eterna anyway so that's a relief!!
Thank you for your comments
One thing I don’t see much info on is the different sharpening that occurs with the different film simulations. Eterna is obviously soft compared to say CC or Provia even though the sharp setting can be exactly the same.
Eh. Noise does not bother me at all. I would use any of the film sims at any ISO up to 12800. I don't think I have ever tried to shoot above that. If I am concerned about noise, I will try to add more light to my scene (as you said). If I cannot do that, I will just use the noise to my advantage by considering it an artistic element. I just crank up the grain setting.
Yep. Choosing between Eterna or Provia or PNS based on their high ISO noise performance is like choosing between a sports car, a pickup truck, or a station wagon based on their sound systems. Kinda misses the point.
Excellent and informative!
MAN ! The same about video would be amazing.
I guess F-log will clearly win, with this kind of 2000ISO kind of dual gain. But as Eterna stand well ! I would be amazed to test that also.
I don't get the chart. But as you shown the camera more than the color chart, I'll do it my way xD
Grest job, as always !
Great informative video!
I'd say this info is more useful for video. I recently made the regrettable decision to film an event with challenging lighting conditions in Standard instead of Eterna, my usual go-to for video. Trying to clean up the footage on my limited computer has been a challenge.
Very informative. Was Pro Neg Hi similar to Pro Neg Std.? Thanks
Great clear presentation. I found using Velvia above iso 6400 gets a bit noisy. Thank you for such informative presentations
Awesome bit of advise there. well worth a watch ..... thanks :)
Helpful! Have been seeing some noise with very tight crop in Velvia at ISO 800, with nature macros. Velvia has the look I want, but maybe there are better paths to that endpoint in some circumstances.
Excellent video, thank you for sharing.
Now Chris next: What about The Advanced Filter Settings and ISO.
Not to push you, but I do XD
I would say extremely helpful, Chris. Thank you!
Thank you. I like black and white gig photos and have been using Achros. Very noisy but I think they look like the old film days. But I shall try monochrome or the eterna now and maybe will be clearer. As it’s dark and all manner of lights inside I am always at 3200 or higher
Very interesting. Im gonna have to start using eterna and monochrome more at night!
Awesome ❤
Very cool comparison! As a fairly new shooter, I rarely play with higher ISO. That said, I love ACROS, but I'll definitely keep Monochrome at the ready should I start bumping the ISO up!
I too love Across. Not a fan of grain. As you acknowledge in the video, these results are at the base levels. Looks like if I shoot high ISO with Across I need to lower or kill the grain. Thanks for conducting the tedious tests for our benefit. Mask on Nurse Marty
VEry useful video, thank you!
this is most interesting to see.
I personally (sadly) still film video with my xt1 and without Etherna or Log I use the Pro Neg. Std and -2 on everything to try to get as a flat image as possible. Maybe Ill try at least Provia as an alternative if it creates less noise.
Great video as always! I’ll try Pro Neg Std with highlights and shadows variations.
On it today!!!! Thanks Tony!! Cheers!
This gave me an idea! I’m new to all of this but what if you purposely shot high ISO even during the day to get a Granier look. Would this be way different vs adding the grain option in camera?
Hi, at the beginning you said that film simulations were not saved if shot in raw ? I’m new with fuji, thanks
Thanks! Helpfull as always.
Good job! Thanks for this :-)
Very interesting thank you! I never noticed it before and actually use Acros when I shoot at 6400 thinking it makes the noise look better but obviously I was wrong. Besides I never use Monochrome, another obvious wrong decision. Now I shoot in RAW but I'll definitely give a try and compare with Acros next time I shoot in low light conditions. Thanks again! Cheers!
Respectfully, I also appreciate clean images but would like to offer another viewpoint, which is... If *you* think the Acros noise looks better at 6400, then it IS better. I have to believe that in any art form, our interpretation and taste play a huge role in what inspires us -- and this matters, to me, more than measurements. For example, I LOVE the grain Fuji adds to the Acros simulation. At low ISO I may add some weak (or even strong) grain with certain film sims, but at high ISO the Fuji noise can have an (almost) film-like look that I often like (without adding artificial grain in-camera).
It's the higher contrast in Acros that jazzes up the grain. Higher contrast gives the effect of more sharpness/detail.
Do you believe the xt4 has dual native iso? Some people claim it does as a hidden feature.. i believe it’s supposed to be 3200 iso when it kicks in
Fuji seems to have intentionally designed their 'noise' to be smoother and inherently more 'grain' like than other brands. I have done some observation and am generalising somewhat but I don't think Fuji's noise character is bad. I find it useful. The iso amplified grain though not awful is not as good as the grain setting in the camera which is a great tool for film simulation building.
Congratulation , I have maybe a mental limitation , extremely rare going up 1600 . In fact try to stop on 640 then start to compromise in F till f 2 , after that velocity and taking risk in Blurring and going to 1/15 the internal IS for me holds well . Film Simulation I prefer Astia with H -2 S -2 color +3 sharpness +2 noise 0
Seems like youre stuck on DSLR-iso mind
Thanks! Really useful.
So for family and general photography how high do you feel comfortable pushing ISO on a fugi camera? 3200?
Do you have ant experience with Olympus cameras? How do they compare with fugi for iOS and low light shooting?
Thanks, that’s a great video to help understand some generalities about high ISO performance. It seems, that based on your video ProNeg Std is the winner above 3200 or Monochrome if you’re going for that look. Your overview definitely makes me rethink my use of Acros when I’m doing street photography in low-light settings.
Thanks! You could also keep the ACROS, but try turning down the sharpness to maybe -3 or so and see if that improves it. I used '0' for the setting but would love to do another comparison with the settings for that adjusted in-camera.
What an interesting comparison! Pro neg std and Eterna are two of the lowest contrast film sims. I wonder if that has anything to do with it? Ironic about Acros, as Acros film was renowned for being fine grain! I shoot a lot of Astro, always in raw. Might try some in jpeg. Irrespective of the film sim, the noise control in those jpegs is fantastic!
yeah, I think it does. And you are right: the noise control is amazing!
Hi do these film simulation modes help create cinematic look for movies? I like Sony A6400 better but am attracted by the Fuji feature as I have no colour grading knowledge nor do I want to do it! Any suggestions?
is Fujifilm film simulation different from the photo taken in JPEG and the simulation made later in RAW
monochrome is just provia without colors, but acros actually have some taste and even more with filters on.
But actually surprised the film simulations affects the noise, what makes you have the idea to test this?
What happened to my favorite intro music? I love the fact that it sounded like it was lifted straight out of the mid 90s. Now you are opting for some easy listening thing?
LOL, I needed something calming after shooting dozens of photos of the same color chart again and again and again. It will be back next video! 👍
@@pal2tech Thank you!
great video.. very useful
Dear pal2tech. Thank you for another great video. I'd like to get a variable ND filter as you also recommended. I use lenses that take 52 mm, 58 mm and 62 mm filters. Is it a good idea to get one 62 mm variable ND filter and 2 filter adapters for the smaller lenses or would you get a separate filter for each lens? Thanks!
hello. how can I find what film simulation I used in DXO ? You know that ? thank you
fun fact! the DR setting, usabke to 200%, makes use of Fuji’s separate two paths of processing ISO… one used up to and including ISO 800, producing low noise, and one above, preserving highlights. the shadows are cleaner up unril 800 when using DR-setting > 100%. the main side effect of using DR, is that horrid HDR image effect
Useful. I found pro neg st best for my daytime and eterna best for night. And so.
I’ve been subscribed to your channel for ages and your videos are no longer coming up in my feed!
What's up with film simulation and White Balance? Can the choice of white balance cancel the effect of the film sim? Since it has influence on the colors?
Absolutely.
Hi, I use the XT4 in aperture priority mode most of the time. I have noticed that if I set the ISO manually instead of keeping the ISO in automatic mode the camera will set a faster shutter speed in low light conditions. For example, if the Camera automatically sets the ISO to 6400 the camera will set the shutter speed at 50. If I manually set the ISO to 6400 the camera will set the shutter speed to 80. This is all other settings being the same. So if I manually set the ISO I can get slightly faster shutter speeds from the camera.
Do you know why this would happen?
what about shooting those xmas lights? what film sim?
Hello ! I got mine recently with 18-55 mm , but the image quality is bad even when i shoot with low ISO , do you think something wrong with the cam ? Or it doesn't handle high iso in low light ?
Thanks
Hello pal2tech! I’m having trouble regarding saving my white balance in the custom setting for the film simulation. Whenever I switch to the next custom film sim it will carry the white balance shift that was set on the first one I have tried on. Tried resetting the custom settings and saving it again but no luck.
I wish I could show you some pictures but the only problem I have is on the WB Shift not saving in the custom setting
So im turning insane... Ive been editing some raw fotos, and noticed, that they only look good on my screen: So I thought, maybe the screensettings are the issue, and if i just edit on my mac, itll be fine... right? WRONG.
The same Raw pic is more yellow on my Tower Comouter and the Histogram shows it. Meaning it doesnt appear different, it is. I manually selected all the same settings.
Is there some stuff hidden in Xraw studio, that maybe I changed a few month ago, and is still active? If so, why do my pictures look different anywhere else? (Iphone and mac?)
Does the Histogram show the colors my screen shows?
Im so confused :( Ive poured hours into this, and now my work is for the cat as we say in german. The pictures are more yellow, and a lot brighter on my screen, than on anyone elses...
Why do I have noise on my RAW files with low light, but not in the JPEG? What am I doing wrong? Is RAW more sensitive to ISO?
What you see in most pics is sharpening "worms" and not noise! Try to set sharpening to -4, so it's completely switched off. So you have a much more "analog" texture.
Acros is special, has much more sharpening in std, so there are more worms.
Please give me feedback, because maybe I'm wrong. Btw. I love your canal.
Hi Markus, thanks for feedback! I'm not sure it's worms but if so, they are certainly contributing to the overall noise. I purposely used '0' for sharpening setting, but that certainly would affect it no doubt and would probably improve it. I just wanted to see what would happen if you used zero adjustments, picked up camera, and shot all the sims, etc.
@@pal2tech No, thank you for YOUR feedback. I tried long to get the most out of fuji jpgs for a most realistic "analog texture". With FUJI X RAW STUDIO you can directly compare the sharpening settings for the jps. With sharpening 0 there are always these "worms", for that the x-trans sensor is famous for (especially in Lightroom). Only -4 is switching sharpening off completely, I think.
Acros with sharpening -4 and ISO 12400 is beautiful.
Greetings from Germany
@@markusmuller8044 interesting, thanks for sharing Markus.
That is actually very true, i have just tested acros with 6400 iso, one with 0 sharpness and one with -4, the noise is much more pleasing to look at with -4 sharpness when punched in. It does feels more like smooth film grain! Thanks for sharing
@@projecthelium I always avoided Acros because of the reason Chris stated but never tried with 0 sharpness. I'll try with 0 sharpness and see if it gives me better result. Thanks for the tip. By the way, great video Chris as usual!
Dam, nice B roll.
Just wondering, how to you reapply the film simulation if you’ve shot in raw?
You do it in post production, using Lightroom, Photoshop, etc.
Some interesting findings there Chris, thanks for that. Also, you get less noise from a ukelele if you cover it in tinfoil lol.