It's wild that Artosis has all these rankings in his head all the times. He'd really say something like "this guy has been the fifth and a half best in the world at pvt for the past nineteen weeks, but only if the game ends before late game and only if it isn't a tuesday"
Everyone is always trolling arty but the man is actually very intelligent and professional from all the games he watches, the stats, and players that he follows. Not just that, but minute details during the match i could easily have missed, but arty explains what just happened
It feels like Light let off the gas quite a bit after the bunker push killed the Nexus. I'm a bit surprised, it seems like he gave Bisu a bit of extra space there when he could have kept the pressure on.
Responding early in the video to the question about light's tvp vs bisu's pvt. I think it's always been bisu's weakest matchup and the reason he didn't win more starleague's after beating savior. He stuck with arbiters for a really long time during remastered which I feel like does better against weaker terrans than it does against the best terrans, which is kind of what I would say about bisu in general. He's really good at making the second tier of top professionals look terrible but struggles against the top players in every matchup.
It's so insane just how unbalanced this match up is. In any other match up every. If you caused that much damage to the enemy at the start. You just automatically win. But not with protoss Game needs a serious balance patch
I agree with you and think this is because zealots and dragoons are so strong in early games. Do you know that marines must hit 33 shots on zealots (and mostly more shots because of shields being recharged automatically) while zealots can kill them on just three hits? What a nonsense. The terran player is forced to do so much micros against zealots and dragoons.
@@김도영-v5n the main problem with the balance is that. Terran has no early game and protoss requires almost no micro. And Terran every single unit has an ability. Fire bats shouldn't cost gas. Would probably fix a lot of that. But then would probably ruined vs zerg
I was wondering, would it be at all possible (if you know, if it’s available on cwal) for you to say what date the games are played? Just like “Flash vs Jaedong on Heartbreak Ridge, from Feb 18th 2024” or something simple like that? I’ve been going through a bunch of old videos over the past month and there are so many where I have no idea when they are from but if I had just said the date it would’ve given me a reference point.
Hi Artosis, I was wondering how did Zerg fair before the Mutalisk meta formed? I assume it would take a while before the grouping trick was discovered.
@@FlymanMS Sure but I was asking before they figured out you could stack 11 mutas on top of each other if you group them with like a larva/overlord. Unless it was a day 1 tech which I heavily doubt.
He lost his shuttle and reavers and Light had the high ground position above his natural and third. In a tournament setting he may have stayed to fight but the game is almost over and he probably didn't wanna waste practice time on a 95% lost game
He had zero units on the map after that fight and 4 dragoons and 3 zealots in production. Light had 4 goliaths, 4 tanks, 2 vultures on screen and what looks like another 5 vultures and 3 or 4 tanks rallying down. Bisu would lose his 3rd and natural before he could even think about engaging and then he would be fighting into an entrenched Terran position at his natural with fewer units and without zealot speed, and his main would be mined out in about another 90 seconds. Seems like a good time to call GG.
Light started his 3rd at 14:52. And when Bisu conceded after the final battle, he was temporarily down 74 to 92 supply, so he was down 18 supply (and down 27 army supply due to him having more probes).
My take is that if Bisu didn't lose his shuttle and two reavers he would have stayed, but he lost all three key units too quickly, which led to GG. Amazing how such a complex game can still come down to a few backbone units, even without "hero" guys
Everyone is good at TvP, because it's so easy to overpower a weak race with imba units. If they swap race, Bisu will crush Light 100%. Protoss really needs a buff.
.. .. SPOILER .. .. bisu tried so hard and made a good game out of it. gg IMO, it's not so much bisu's micromanagement that makes him stand out, it's his micromanagement of 2 different groups of units, while not falling behind in macro, while having a frontal attack going on somewhere, while expanding, all at the same time, that is where he's absolutely unparalleled
Snow just destroys every terran ,including Light so cant say Light is the best player. I wanna see Flash return for real and face bo5,bo7 vs snow in ASL, not on ladder.
Royal beat Snow 6-3 in Ultimate Battle two months ago, so I wouldn't call him unbeatable in longer series. Snow is an absolute monster right now, but he hasn't really had a good ASL result since 2019 when Flash beat him 4-0 in the Finals. If he plays to his potential I think he makes it to the finals no problem, but his record shows that he chokes a lot.
@@Picaroon9 He just gets eaten by zergs like Soulkey . But he eats every terran. He destroyed Light 4-0 in the last online tournament. Light tilted hard last game ,was hopeless.
i love how he scv marine rush a fast nexus and owns it.Had he fail in that hard to micro shit he would auto lose.Then protoss just take 2 more free bases while also getting drops and has more units.Then game end being close.What a joke dumb matchup.Can terran lose a fucking command center from fast 2nd base opening and just double expand after with drops?Oh right he auto lose just from a small mistake of losing 1 scv.
I'm totally agree with that the TvP matchup has become nonsense after the Protoss players started to use fast expand build order with such defense strategy. Honestly, after the time when fast expand w/ fast 2 gates build order was invented, it feels totally overpowered and have no counter at all. Rax double obviously loses for that FE strat, Factory double depends on micro, and FE of Terran is too risky.
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It's wild that Artosis has all these rankings in his head all the times. He'd really say something like "this guy has been the fifth and a half best in the world at pvt for the past nineteen weeks, but only if the game ends before late game and only if it isn't a tuesday"
rofl true
Hahaahahahah
Everyone is always trolling arty but the man is actually very intelligent and professional from all the games he watches, the stats, and players that he follows.
Not just that, but minute details during the match i could easily have missed, but arty explains what just happened
Every player in the world would've gg'd at 4:00 except Bisu
I'm STOKED for this tournament announced. Great match too, I had no idea who was gonna win.
I knew who was gonna win, after I watched the full video haha.
Terran is so feeble, if they do something wrong they lose their whole army
Wish i was in the room when they made the terran music.
FOR REAL, what a masterpiece
That initial Shock and Awe operation was spectacular
That Reaver mine bait was INSANE.
Good almost come back by Bisu.
Way to really push the envelope for being far behind
I always felt the term “aggressive player” and “macro based player” in regards to pros is delineating what they in particular do better than the rest.
Yaaayy Sponsors! Congrats on that! What an incredible game that was, I can't wait for the real ASL matches!
When the loser looks more impressive than the winner, you know it's Bisu we're talkin' about.
It's never close to over against protoss, Artosis.
It feels like Light let off the gas quite a bit after the bunker push killed the Nexus. I'm a bit surprised, it seems like he gave Bisu a bit of extra space there when he could have kept the pressure on.
Not sure what’s changed but video quality looks AMAZING today
Bisu could have won...this reavers distracted him to do so
Snow just does so much psychological damage to terrans in the early/mid game and then leverages that to be super greedy econ and then steamrolls.
Always nice to watch, and what a great match
Bisu showing why he's such a strong player, though I was rooting for Light the whole time.
12:19 Werewolf Artosis time
Great content as always! 💯
Bisu's play is just fascinating
Responding early in the video to the question about light's tvp vs bisu's pvt. I think it's always been bisu's weakest matchup and the reason he didn't win more starleague's after beating savior. He stuck with arbiters for a really long time during remastered which I feel like does better against weaker terrans than it does against the best terrans, which is kind of what I would say about bisu in general. He's really good at making the second tier of top professionals look terrible but struggles against the top players in every matchup.
It's so insane just how unbalanced this match up is. In any other match up every. If you caused that much damage to the enemy at the start. You just automatically win. But not with protoss
Game needs a serious balance patch
I agree with you and think this is because zealots and dragoons are so strong in early games. Do you know that marines must hit 33 shots on zealots (and mostly more shots because of shields being recharged automatically) while zealots can kill them on just three hits? What a nonsense. The terran player is forced to do so much micros against zealots and dragoons.
@@김도영-v5n the main problem with the balance is that. Terran has no early game and protoss requires almost no micro. And Terran every single unit has an ability. Fire bats shouldn't cost gas. Would probably fix a lot of that. But then would probably ruined vs zerg
Thank you Artosis. Love you commenting. GG
Don't fall of the edge of ya seats fam
what if we just combined Bisu and Snow? Oh, you want to conjure up some kind of protoss super-FlaSh?
great news re this tournament!!!
what a game, lookin forward to the tourney
I felt like Bisu pulled the plug a bit too early, still seemed like a reasonable game to me.
i guess that 6th factory was worth it
Artosis i love you
Hope Light crushes this season. Mans a Champ of Macro Terran.
Bisu Bust!
What a great fight. Nice game!
Seems fair to call him the best micro player when he killed something like literally 20 popped up mines.
Great video quality
When is flash coming back?
I’m also very thankful for all the other pros. : )
I like to listen to the tunes when you cast, you should bump them up just the tiniest bit.
I was wondering, would it be at all possible (if you know, if it’s available on cwal) for you to say what date the games are played? Just like “Flash vs Jaedong on Heartbreak Ridge, from Feb 18th 2024” or something simple like that?
I’ve been going through a bunch of old videos over the past month and there are so many where I have no idea when they are from but if I had just said the date it would’ve given me a reference point.
Hi Artosis, I was wondering how did Zerg fair before the Mutalisk meta formed? I assume it would take a while before the grouping trick was discovered.
Mutas were annihilating everything before valks and corsairs were added
@@FlymanMS Sure but I was asking before they figured out you could stack 11 mutas on top of each other if you group them with like a larva/overlord. Unless it was a day 1 tech which I heavily doubt.
What a game!
Does the bunker just choose random targets? How do you know what the bunker will shoot at?
There may be a priority system, but I do know that you cannot micro what the bunker shoots at. I'd imagine units before workers before buildings
gg
Light just lost to Snow 0-4 in SCSL this month. Maybe a bad day, but still...
This is what great terrans do. They say fu im not playing straight up vs your nexus first bullshit.
Hey Artosis was Bisu actually dead here? Light didn't even have a 3rd. Wonder if that was called too early
He lost his shuttle and reavers and Light had the high ground position above his natural and third. In a tournament setting he may have stayed to fight but the game is almost over and he probably didn't wanna waste practice time on a 95% lost game
He had zero units on the map after that fight and 4 dragoons and 3 zealots in production. Light had 4 goliaths, 4 tanks, 2 vultures on screen and what looks like another 5 vultures and 3 or 4 tanks rallying down. Bisu would lose his 3rd and natural before he could even think about engaging and then he would be fighting into an entrenched Terran position at his natural with fewer units and without zealot speed, and his main would be mined out in about another 90 seconds. Seems like a good time to call GG.
Light started his 3rd at 14:52. And when Bisu conceded after the final battle, he was temporarily down 74 to 92 supply, so he was down 18 supply (and down 27 army supply due to him having more probes).
My take is that if Bisu didn't lose his shuttle and two reavers he would have stayed, but he lost all three key units too quickly, which led to GG. Amazing how such a complex game can still come down to a few backbone units, even without "hero" guys
Everyone is good at TvP, because it's so easy to overpower a weak race with imba units. If they swap race, Bisu will crush Light 100%. Protoss really needs a buff.
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bisu tried so hard and made a good game out of it. gg
IMO, it's not so much bisu's micromanagement that makes him stand out, it's his micromanagement of 2 different groups of units, while not falling behind in macro, while having a frontal attack going on somewhere, while expanding, all at the same time, that is where he's absolutely unparalleled
Nice
Appreciate the daily videos Artosis! But my lunch break is 30 minutes long... Just saying!
ggs
Title sounds like yaoi manga
siege and win has done it again
Oh no. Not this guy again.
tastosis cast cnsl?
where is cnsl held ??
Bisu is such a chad
Snow just destroys every terran ,including Light so cant say Light is the best player. I wanna see Flash return for real and face bo5,bo7 vs snow in ASL, not on ladder.
Royal beat Snow 6-3 in Ultimate Battle two months ago, so I wouldn't call him unbeatable in longer series. Snow is an absolute monster right now, but he hasn't really had a good ASL result since 2019 when Flash beat him 4-0 in the Finals. If he plays to his potential I think he makes it to the finals no problem, but his record shows that he chokes a lot.
@@Picaroon9 He just gets eaten by zergs like Soulkey . But he eats every terran. He destroyed Light 4-0 in the last online tournament. Light tilted hard last game ,was hopeless.
@@yellow6100what was this tournament?
@@ntr86 starcast tv covers it.nyoken.
i love how he scv marine rush a fast nexus and owns it.Had he fail in that hard to micro shit he would auto lose.Then protoss just take 2 more free bases while also getting drops and has more units.Then game end being close.What a joke dumb matchup.Can terran lose a fucking command center from fast 2nd base opening and just double expand after with drops?Oh right he auto lose just from a small mistake of losing 1 scv.
It's like an all in. It's risky
I'm totally agree with that the TvP matchup has become nonsense after the Protoss players started to use fast expand build order with such defense strategy. Honestly, after the time when fast expand w/ fast 2 gates build order was invented, it feels totally overpowered and have no counter at all. Rax double obviously loses for that FE strat, Factory double depends on micro, and FE of Terran is too risky.
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Try to remember you're showing the match, not looking at it yourself.
I love Bisu.
And also the strenght of Light's TvP has been questioned by Snow (SCSL). Looked about C rank to me
C rank?!? Bro, just stop.
@@abstractdaddy1384 I'll meet you in the middle at D rank
@@pandabearguy1
Yeah the best Terran in the world who's like 3000 mmr played like a D ranker.
second comment!!
You are an amazing caster. But a horrible observer.
Get lost.
Well duh, he’s not Protoss player