Rusty VS Windette! ► Charm Tier List

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  • @Rusty._
    @Rusty._  2 ปีที่แล้ว +398

    Fellow loudlad ► th-cam.com/users/Windette
    Also, mild epilepsy warning due to the flashing avatars.

    • @ostturtelbergstrom5916
      @ostturtelbergstrom5916 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      When you talked about sharp shadow you could have mentioned that not everybody likes spells like me. I here spells

    • @holykrap6341
      @holykrap6341 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      "thorns of agony is sh*t" a week earlier fire equiped this charm in pvp against the two of you and kicked your asses with it (speedrunner vs 4 hunters videos)

    • @Killroy007
      @Killroy007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@holykrap6341 taking pvp into consideration in a tierlist for a usual solo fame is quite uhhhhhhhh
      Shit

    • @holykrap6341
      @holykrap6341 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Killroy007 they took mods into consideration

    • @TheMaskedNinja_
      @TheMaskedNinja_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You guys totally forgot the long nail + MoP synergy where my nail is way too fucking long and looks very silly

  • @AshenDust_
    @AshenDust_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1713

    Windette arguing that Nailmaster’s Glory isn’t good because “is doing more damage to a boss really going make the difference between winning and losing” actually had me dying.

    • @yannickrijnen6855
      @yannickrijnen6855 2 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      Rusty's argument is really not any better like, his argument is that it does more damage to a boss you only have a little time to damage like NKG but... can't you just- cant you just charge a nail art normally?

    • @marblight2068
      @marblight2068 2 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      @@yannickrijnen6855 sometimes, not without sacrificing an extra hit that you could get in otherwise. But I think I’d still rather do more damage in the same amount of time y’know. Like staggering, charging a great slash and slashing regularly. Instead of just slashing twice (or three times if you have quick slash), you get extra damage from the great slash.

    • @captaintomato5433
      @captaintomato5433 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Honestly nailmaster's seems like something that was always intended for the coliseum for me.

    • @ceiliannbaldwin5592
      @ceiliannbaldwin5592 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@yannickrijnen6855 yeah but nailmaster's glory makes charging time much quicker, and when ive used it in some of the pantheons its either made some bosses be done much quicker, with less damage dealt to me, or both

    • @randomperson8375
      @randomperson8375 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      as someone who also never used nail arts, I too would make that argument lmao

  • @serpentslyther4583
    @serpentslyther4583 2 ปีที่แล้ว +752

    The entire tier list:
    I like this *Points at literally anything*
    But this is better *POINTS AT SPELL TWISTER*

    • @Windette
      @Windette 2 ปีที่แล้ว +111

      THANK YOU

    • @marsha8088
      @marsha8088 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Windette nioooooooooooo

    • @malnourishedman7192
      @malnourishedman7192 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Windette nah b sharp shadow is under appreciated

    • @jackgeorge9478
      @jackgeorge9478 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      as a mage build myself, i agree

    • @fourcable4691
      @fourcable4691 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      By anything do you mean anything but grimm child and heavy blow?

  • @alexanders4293
    @alexanders4293 2 ปีที่แล้ว +824

    “They’re not situational just because you forget to use them” PLS THIS IS SO TRUE 😭 Nailmaster’s glory is such a good charm. S tier when it comes to the Colosseum of Fools!

    • @apoorvaproductions
      @apoorvaproductions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Nailmaster's glory is good in all situations imo

    • @Pr1est0fDoom
      @Pr1est0fDoom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Superhard agree, Nailmaster's Glory is the single best charm for the Colosseum of Fools IMO.

    • @marsha8088
      @marsha8088 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@apoorvaproductions yes

    • @plugshirt1762
      @plugshirt1762 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If it’s not a nail it’s situational is the only mentality

    • @memelord7767
      @memelord7767 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don’t like it for colosseum because I’m the third time you have no down time to actually charge it even with nmg

  • @victoriae3611
    @victoriae3611 2 ปีที่แล้ว +636

    Grimmchild immediately getting f tier was especially devastating considering it’s one of the charms I wanted to get a tattoo of

    • @Jellyduckface1
      @Jellyduckface1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +119

      Cool charm not useful in any way unfortunately

    • @Rubyllim
      @Rubyllim 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Ew

    • @tomgeytenbeek2207
      @tomgeytenbeek2207 2 ปีที่แล้ว +99

      Hell yeah if you like the idea, he’s still our smol lil nightmare boi, even if he’s not a military-grade trained attack-pet :)

    • @Kuky0_0
      @Kuky0_0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I mean it looks cool

    • @cheerkub8110
      @cheerkub8110 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      That charm almost got me killed in mantis village by making all the mantis agro even after I beat the mantis lords

  • @nickpisarczyk
    @nickpisarczyk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +408

    Im so glad to see Windette growing! Great content creator and deserves every sub
    Love your shit too Rusty. Your videos make my day!

    • @boingowoingo1904
      @boingowoingo1904 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yeah, windy has been in firebjorns speedrunner vs hunter, has been in this video and has invited hk creators to play crab game

    • @Windette
      @Windette 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      ​@@boingowoingo1904 YES HE SAID "firebJorn"! I'm gonna make this catch on ISTG

    • @nickpisarczyk
      @nickpisarczyk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@boingowoingo1904 Yeah I've seen that stuff, It's a great time

    • @nickpisarczyk
      @nickpisarczyk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Windette This is nrp. from discord by the way. Looks like you found another content niche my guy

  • @kinggamereon653
    @kinggamereon653 2 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    I never realized how good of a combo rusty and windette would make
    this is amazing

  • @biddle2944
    @biddle2944 2 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    The sharp shadow debate cracked me up because it was apart of my winning build for my first true ending XD. I had sharp shadow, long nail, mark of pride, and quick slash. I didn't cast a single spell except to heal, and just went at it.
    This was such a fun talk and a cool debate!

    • @Windette
      @Windette 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      omg and we ragged on Pride and Long nail SO much... I'm so sorry you're so handicapped xD (I'm kidding plz don't hate me)

    • @biddle2944
      @biddle2944 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@Windette You guys did XD I got to that part and I just lost it laughing XD I gotta say you do make fair points, but I still tend to go full melee over spell build :)

    • @duck_3470
      @duck_3470 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My winning build (dream no more) was like deep focus, grubsong, grubsong, and soul catcher. Idk radiance was super hard for me for whatever reason. Still hardest to this day

    • @liveandletdie138
      @liveandletdie138 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is exactly what I did except I had unbreakable strength instead. I figured out close to the end of the game during my time beating the trial of fools that I just prefer a nail build over a spell one.

    • @itsmechristian5129
      @itsmechristian5129 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@duck_3470how to get another grubsong

  • @MadameRhapsody
    @MadameRhapsody 2 ปีที่แล้ว +412

    Flashing lights warning. Not too bad but I had to look away myself, so just in case someone else is also in risk of epilepsy seizures. Great video regardless.

    • @Rusty._
      @Rusty._  2 ปีที่แล้ว +144

      Hearting so this gets to the top, it occurred to me but I didn't know if the flashing was bad enough for a warning.

    • @MadameRhapsody
      @MadameRhapsody 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @@Rusty._ I greatly appreciate it dude. Would love to see you do this with other creators as well, like you did with Relyea with bosses. And happy Men's day today.

    • @Rusty._
      @Rusty._  2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@MadameRhapsody Hey, thanks! :D

    • @willumroberts8120
      @willumroberts8120 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We're you perhaps watching in the dark?

    • @numberz-9306
      @numberz-9306 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      E

  • @bb-im6hf
    @bb-im6hf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    alright, ranking charms based on usefulness agains Eternal Ordiel actually sounds pretty good, can we expect such video Rusty.?

  • @SonicHaXD
    @SonicHaXD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Hearing Grimmchild everytime in this video reminded me of the Simpsons meme "Stop, Stop! He's Already Dead" XD

  • @mannydani9180
    @mannydani9180 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Dude, sharp shadow is a necessity for my boss builds, not because of the extra damage, but the extra distance. I think sharp shadow allows you to safely dash through every boss in the pantheon outside of NKG because...that's fire...and maybe MMC, haven't really tested it. Failed champion is a nightmare without it because his attacks are so fast and trying to shadow dash through him normally will result in 2 damage, sharp shadow gives you a free out to so many attacks that would normally be much harder to dodge

    • @bloom1351
      @bloom1351 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You know you can jump or move away to dodge attacks instead of shadow dashing throu every living creature, such a waste of two charm notches that could of been replaced by spell twister. (jk)

    • @publiclydeceased7630
      @publiclydeceased7630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sharp shadow is what got me through my first NKG fight and Pure vessel fight. Jumping over attacks/dodging is so much harder. Just dashing through an uppercut or triple slash while dealing damage is just simpler.

    • @3nebula887
      @3nebula887 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah the extra distance is what helps me outpace PV’s triple slash, without that you can barely dash through him or away from him.
      Also are we not gonna talk about sharp shadow in watcher knights? Literally one of the easiest fights with sharp shadow because now dashing through is incredibly easy unlike before and you get so much new time after a dash to qs strength his ass into oblivion

    • @theopoaxisuponus2004
      @theopoaxisuponus2004 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      honestly, Sharp shadow is actually OP because of the distance for me. While practising Markoth for P5, my struggles mainly came with me being too greedy. I’ve seen people complain about the platform, but Sharp shadow completely destroys that problem because of the extra distance.

  • @funnysong1920
    @funnysong1920 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    The two gods of cursing hollow knight in one vid? Imma get my popcorn

  • @goatbroazzy9200
    @goatbroazzy9200 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I agree with nail masters glory, as when I have an extra slot and don’t have many good charms, I look at this, say “an almost instant windup for an attack that one host primal aspids, or a charm that make you walk slightly faster, and like any sane person, I go for nail masters glory

  • @dovianempire1868
    @dovianempire1868 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    That intro
    Edit: All I've learned is strength, Mark of Pride, and Grimchild are things I must protect. He's MY MORAL SUPPORT!!

    • @aaronjanka711
      @aaronjanka711 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Agreed
      He keeps deepnest at Bay.

    • @santiagogil7508
      @santiagogil7508 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Grimmchild users like you bring me joy. You are a legend

  • @darkmodeenjoyer3367
    @darkmodeenjoyer3367 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Seeing nailmaster glory at b just hurts because it was my winning build for both pantheon 5 and radeint radiance

  • @purevessel1071
    @purevessel1071 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    When I first heard of Quick Slash I thought it was nothing special. But then I got it-then equipped it-and I don’t regret it
    It’s now part of both my exploring build and boss fight build :)

  • @kajek1229
    @kajek1229 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I use hiveblood always on palace and soul binded pantheons

  • @proto_maver1ck
    @proto_maver1ck 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Windette: *insults Nailmaster's Glory*
    Me: *holy music stops*

  • @daviddavidsson6243
    @daviddavidsson6243 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The charms you drew are my two favourites, nice!

  • @dakotakreh5568
    @dakotakreh5568 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The only time I ever used hiveblood was in a rando, when it costed 0 notches

  • @peeeeeeeeeeaf
    @peeeeeeeeeeaf ปีที่แล้ว +1

    since they made a joke about a tier list based purely on if it’s better than spell twister, here it is (only ones better than spell twister
    -quick slash: it’s quick slash. cmon
    -shaman stone: it’s quick slash. cmon
    -strength: having an extra nail upgrade is insane
    -void heart: it doesn’t do much in combat, but for the opportune cost of 0 notches there’s no reason to not have it equipped. also i’ve never seen anyone try p5 without it
    -compass: this one explains itself
    -fury (theoretically): haha one mask go brrrrrr
    no need to thank me

  • @HeavyShores
    @HeavyShores 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The thing with Nailmaster’s Glory is that when you take it off and start doing nailarts, it just doesn’t feel right
    Also Queen’s Garden acid skip

  • @EarlyOwOwl
    @EarlyOwOwl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I made the mistake of taking Grimmchild to Mantis Village one time after I had beaten Mantis Lords. The little brat kept attacking the mantises and making them hostile again...

  • @polyowl4799
    @polyowl4799 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love Grimm child not because it's good, but because it's your little buddy, who is traveling with you. He help with loneliness

  • @swordzanderson5352
    @swordzanderson5352 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tbh, if you're the type person who keeps trying to ooze in Cyclone Slash into places where you can get in a lot of hits, Nailmaster's Glory is wonderful for how much it revolutionises bosses after discovering spots viable for Cyclone Slash.

  • @hattandcatt3005
    @hattandcatt3005 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    FireBjorn... viking of old

  • @JosepiThe13th
    @JosepiThe13th 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don’t agree that Carefree Melody isn’t useful in the base game. It carried me through Colosseum 3.

  • @orionyaboi1167
    @orionyaboi1167 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I’m about 99% confident that Carefree Melody is the only reason I’ve been able to get to P3. That charm has saved me from the brink of defeat. It’s so useful against bosses that deal double damage

    • @bloom1351
      @bloom1351 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Tip: just dont get hit

    • @aidancode
      @aidancode 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bloom1351 I would have to say that this tip helped me a lot with radiant flukemarm

  • @andrellnogueira
    @andrellnogueira 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm the only one that thinks of Void Heart as the charn that makes your shade not attack you too? Besides the unlocking the end of the game thing, if it was like, one or two notches, I still think it'd he useful to get your geo back. Not S tier anymore, ofc, but still good.

  • @TheIndecisive
    @TheIndecisive ปีที่แล้ว

    If i ever have trouble on any boss or anything i just adapt my charms. For instance if its a boss who likes to be long distance i putt on spell charms or longer distance nail charms like mark of pride. Im on my first playthrough and i alredy have all three dream mask tings and i only need around 5 more charms until i have all of them i also have the full map charted, two nail arts, and one more nail upgrade all with like 60 hours of play time.

  • @stuffstuff3455
    @stuffstuff3455 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Windette thinks sharp shadow is useless?
    He should watch "sharp shadow is useless. It deals no damage" basically the video shows how good sharp shadow is.

  • @mrbartinio
    @mrbartinio 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rusty putting thorns in f is the best redemption arc in history of mankind

  • @the_apotecary_from_tf2
    @the_apotecary_from_tf2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't believe sharp shadow is under shaman stone

  • @Sharky2701
    @Sharky2701 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used mark of pride when I was fighting hollow knight during true ending so I could… kill the shade while walking to the boss chamber easier.

  • @clubsandwich559
    @clubsandwich559 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The only good situation I've found for Deep Focus is if you have the soul binding and the shell binding, but not the charms binding.

  • @bdasher8556
    @bdasher8556 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Are you really the kind of person to use Mark of Pride as the difference between winning or losing."
    Me: Dude, I live off being greedy with that range. It honestly feels like bullying sometimes.

  • @josephweeden928
    @josephweeden928 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    hiveblood is a charm that hinges on the user vastly underestimating how often they'll get hit in any give situation

  • @DrNeonGaming
    @DrNeonGaming ปีที่แล้ว

    I will not have this long nail slander, it is one of my favorite charms and I run it for the simple fact that I am so used to the longer reach and I like parrying strikes and it makes it easier

  • @gaganzanwar
    @gaganzanwar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I actually really love Thorns of Agony, and considering how much hit I get, this charm helps me a lot
    And I am not a new player, I have completed P5 and Steel Soul 112%; so I know what I am talking about

    • @Loderyod
      @Loderyod 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, I don't agree with Windette on this one. It's not a charm that obligates you to get hit, it's just a small bonus for when you unintentionally do so

    • @gaganzanwar
      @gaganzanwar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Loderyodagreed. The damage output of Thorns iirc is 2x the nail damage which means with pure nail, the damage will be 42 if all 2 hits hit. That is FUCKING OP.

    • @Slypie69
      @Slypie69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gaganzanwar the problem is you don’t want to get hit. It’s not worth getting two hits in to take damage especially in double damage fights and fast fights

  • @anhondacivic6541
    @anhondacivic6541 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fury of the fallen saved my ass twice during my first and only steel soul run because I was stupid enough to get the shade soul with out the nail upgrades

  • @Orgs_Rock
    @Orgs_Rock 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:47 if i'm going up against a melee boos, like you know, the only mage boss in the game...
    -rusty 2021

  • @theproductionsofdoggo6880
    @theproductionsofdoggo6880 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nail masters glory is such a good charm!

  • @piboiindahouse5169
    @piboiindahouse5169 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    11:00 you guys clearly have played the game for years. As a beginner this is my crutch for just about the whole run.

  • @xantheman8600
    @xantheman8600 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Grimmchild helps my self esteem

  • @Megaderpus_Maximus
    @Megaderpus_Maximus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    For me, FOTF is a S+ because I can't live without it, I usually take a shitload of damage and when it kicks in I'm in motherfucking gomode to where I am immediately able to fuck everything the fuck UP.

  • @patatopeeler3005
    @patatopeeler3005 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude, sharp shadow is AMAZING for PoP, fight me

  • @glizm
    @glizm 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love Sharp Shadow so much and to hear Windette’s hatred of it made me laugh

  • @superceilingfan9741
    @superceilingfan9741 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Literally should have copy pasted the Soul of Cinder face for the MS Paint fury of the fallen

  • @stillton5592
    @stillton5592 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Every charm can be useful.
    Except for heavy blow.

  • @crow7914
    @crow7914 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always use nail arts thats how i beat grimm effieciently, when he does bats attack i dash slash, fireball smash nail

  • @shrochrome
    @shrochrome ปีที่แล้ว

    What did i learn ?, 2 charm notch = spell twister

  • @iron59_e
    @iron59_e ปีที่แล้ว

    shape of unn is probably my most used charm other than compas

  • @yazananimation9172
    @yazananimation9172 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just wanna say mark of pride against mantis lords= big win for mark of pride

  • @excuse_me_what_99990
    @excuse_me_what_99990 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ''Mark of pride is never the win''
    Me: disequips shamans and equips mark of pride
    Before:loses P5 every time
    After wins first try :)

  • @quinnmcbride9564
    @quinnmcbride9564 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Look Windy, just because you never get hit doesn't mean the rest of us don't. Shape of Unn is the only way to survive Gorb and the dream warrior in kingdom's edge. And do you even know how many times thorns of agony has been the only thing keeping me alive? /lh

  • @NatFloofer
    @NatFloofer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sharp is decent. As soon as I saw it I though B or C. I used to have it on no matter what, but then I realized spell twister exists.

  • @ironhippo9679
    @ironhippo9679 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about the rest of the charms doe?

  • @fishleaf3647
    @fishleaf3647 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nail master is best for me when Im in coliseum of fools for greatslash primal aspid

  • @mr.hi3219
    @mr.hi3219 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Slash insta kills primal aspids

  • @shrochrome
    @shrochrome ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm sure longnail got a great personality

  • @Ender_Onryo
    @Ender_Onryo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was/is there gonna be a part 2?

  • @chaddangersexhaver98
    @chaddangersexhaver98 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glowing Womb paired with Defender's Crest is good for Markoth.

  • @BlueSR
    @BlueSR 2 ปีที่แล้ว +402

    Hi! Speedrunner here! flukenest is only broken in the way WIndette describes on Patch 1221. On current patch, it's much weaker and costs three notches, as well as actually counting for staggers (which it did not do previously) The category that uses 1221 flukes is 106% TE NMG, which is the max% category for the 1221 patch.
    (To make things even more confusing, it is actually broken in a completely different way on Current Patch, where the fluke hitboxes can hit an individual boss multiple times each if the bosses move in a specific way while overlapping with the flukes. It has recently been implemented into some Pantheon IL speedruns, but is not even close to viable anywhere else)

    • @Windette
      @Windette 2 ปีที่แล้ว +99

      DAMN IT BLUE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE *ACTUALLY USEFUL KNOWLEDGE*!!!!

    • @aidancode
      @aidancode 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Woah... that was smart sounding.

    • @emilyreames7748
      @emilyreames7748 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yesssss

    • @Bitmaker64
      @Bitmaker64 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ty for clearing it up

    • @midori7217
      @midori7217 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      idc funny flukes go brrr

  • @GoodKnightNintendo
    @GoodKnightNintendo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +974

    You know this is a legitimate debate when you catch yourself staring at the avatar as if it’s a live debate

    • @thevideogamenerd2268
      @thevideogamenerd2268 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Where did you get your profile.

    • @GoodKnightNintendo
      @GoodKnightNintendo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@thevideogamenerd2268 Just took an image of the Knight and pixelated it 😎

    • @JEREMAIAHJONES
      @JEREMAIAHJONES 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GoodKnightNintendo big brain

  • @Windette
    @Windette 2 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    Poor Grimmy Boi, can't catch a break T^T

    • @nvm-x4h
      @nvm-x4h 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Womp womp

    • @Ender2330-i6e
      @Ender2330-i6e 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      suprise that we need to beat 2 boss to get this fucking kid

  • @alexanders4293
    @alexanders4293 2 ปีที่แล้ว +295

    I feel like windette is coming at this from “which charms are gonna work well in radiant fights” and not “which charms are good” haha

    • @Loderyod
      @Loderyod 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      " *_JusT DOn'T GeT Hit!_* "

    • @daddles.
      @daddles. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Loderyod ong frfr straight up no cap

    • @santiagogil7508
      @santiagogil7508 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Definitely

    • @santiagogil7508
      @santiagogil7508 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Loderyod FR, like, thanks for the advice. I'm gonna go off to the radiant any radiance

    • @Posyopues2007
      @Posyopues2007 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly, also Mark or pride is really important in the exploring part and fighting in general not just boss fights.

  • @Jellyduckface1
    @Jellyduckface1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +578

    Rusty advocated for sharp shadow and that's enough for me

    • @Windette
      @Windette 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      that thing should have never reached as high as B tier

    • @TheEepyMagi
      @TheEepyMagi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      It was really useful when i was doing Radiant Watcher Knights. 2 out of 3 of their attacks give a solid Sharp Shadow opportunity
      Sure, it's just 1 nail hit, but it's not about a huge amount of damage; it's about opening up new opportunities

    • @TheFakeMakotoYuki
      @TheFakeMakotoYuki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      sharp shadow dmg sucks ass tho
      like one nail hit
      why
      why is it so little

    • @TheEepyMagi
      @TheEepyMagi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@TheFakeMakotoYuki still, it's not about damage. It's about opportunity. One nail hit doesn't SEEM like much but with the amount of openings Sharp Shadow gives, it's worth it.

    • @TheFakeMakotoYuki
      @TheFakeMakotoYuki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@TheEepyMagi
      yea and i guess it helps dodge some attacks with a shadow dash that u normally couldnt

  • @lunaakuma5044
    @lunaakuma5044 2 ปีที่แล้ว +132

    I love Rusty's "I use charms because they're fun no matter the situation/I can find use in charms" vs Windette's "Just git gud man" attitude.
    Although as someone who dies to bosses often even after 90 hours in game (still not beaten it lol) I think I allign with Rusty more

    • @rotatorebato
      @rotatorebato 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you know about charm combos

    • @lunaakuma5044
      @lunaakuma5044 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@rotatorebato you mean like how Unn stacks with Spore shroom or similar? Yeah I know. I just...died a lot in the beginning of the game as Hollow Knight was the first metroivania and game I played in a long time.
      Also I'm the type to like... just explore. So some of the hours are probably spent just wandering around Hallownest and finding cool things.

    • @rotatorebato
      @rotatorebato 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@lunaakuma5044 there are some really vague ones, like defenders crest and glowing womb increases damage and elegy plus fury makes elegy active at one health and it has the increased damage.
      And I had the most trouble with optional bosses, like traitor lord and hive knight

    • @clayxros576
      @clayxros576 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The thing is that Windette's "Git gud" mindset is only partially valuable. When someone gets to that level of skill at a game, they have to set up their builds differently to account for that level of skill, as they can take different risks and pull of additional maneuvers others cant. The tier of a Charm needs to also consider everyone's skill level to an extent, from beginner to master, as there are Master Only charms (Fury of the Fallen) and beginner charms (Compass, Gathering Swarm) which are only useful at specific skill levels.
      Going with Dark Souls as an example (since it's what I'm familiar with) Heavy Armor is largely a beginner-mid skill build to assist those not used to the attack patterns of enemies and bosses. BUT. No Armor is a tactic utterly worthless to any but the most skilled BECAUSE they have spent so much time with the game that they don't need to worry about taking damage. And those no armor players can still get clapped by Heavy Armor simply due to the fact they can't memorize everyone's weapon loadout.
      So, while the "Git gud" mindset has a value, it isn't any more valuable than a mid-skill level player since extreme skill has a different set of considerations. How good equipment (or Charms, or cards) is has to take into account how well those of other skill levels can use them. And Rusty tends to understand that better, which is impressive, as many who achieve a higher skill level often forget what it was like being lower.

    • @skeptic_lemon
      @skeptic_lemon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rotatorebato I only had trouble with hive knight because I hate how long it takes to get back to him. Also I ragequit on traitor lord twice. I just hate him.

  • @BobeBaza
    @BobeBaza 2 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    When silksong comes out rusty will be trending again then when the game dies he swiches to dead cells

    • @santiagogil7508
      @santiagogil7508 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think silksong is gonna be alive for a long time man

  • @Melkje
    @Melkje 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    hiveblood is petty good when playing a pantheon with the soul binding, considering you'll barely be healing there

    • @fighterpilotdragon02
      @fighterpilotdragon02 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I have actually used it in vanilla P3, because I struggle so bad w hornet 2 and Sly. My philosophy is that I just need to not get hit for long enough that I never use soul for healing and never reach 1-2 hp.
      Also love them ragging on charms I genuinely really like/ use situationally (Grimmchild, Mark of Pride).

  • @TheGrinningGamer
    @TheGrinningGamer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +249

    How you gonna argue about Nailmaster's Glory and never mention the Colosseum? Also, while I respect Windette's skills, he needs to remember that most people who play the game haven't absolutely destroyed every challenge in the game. There's room in most peoples' builds for stuff other than spell charms.

    • @Windette
      @Windette 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      yeah that's fair

    • @thebattle7000
      @thebattle7000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Uhhh, Dream Wielder is actually better in the Colosseum, because, for one, you can leave one stupid enemy that's easy to avoid and farm soul from and then just heal up and get ready for the next wave and for two, Nailmaster's Glory won't really help for Colo? I'm sorry, but taking out one enemy, when a Dive or Shriek could do the same, I don't see the argument for it to be in the Colosseum, only in Colosseum 1 I could argue its usage, when you first go in and have no idea what's going on. And then outside of Colo and like, 2 bosses(NKG and Markoth, both of which have better builds that don't have nailmaster's glory), Dream Wielder is **much** better than Nailmaster's Glory could ever be. In exploration around the map you can get in a quick heal or enough soul for a tough encounter.
      For NKG I also don't understand, when you can just get in and get two or three hits which would do the same damage as a Dash or Great Slash.
      For Markoth just use Elegy, it literally destroys him. Or just get good and defeat him without the need for elegy or nailarts, seriously, he's not that hard.

    • @skeptic_lemon
      @skeptic_lemon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thebattle7000 Markoth can eat ass. Give me a working strategy against him and I'll.... I dunno what I'll do but I will sure do something

    • @UltimaPhoenix15
      @UltimaPhoenix15 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thebattle7000 I started playing Hollow Knight last week and I know that NKG teleports too much to get 2 or 3 hits on him that easily

    • @UltimaPhoenix15
      @UltimaPhoenix15 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And I haven’t even found the Nightmare Lantern yet

  • @cronotosaur2881
    @cronotosaur2881 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    I'm surprised Windette doesn't think charms in general are a crutch
    "What's strength gonna do? Deal more damage? What a crutch"

  • @Reavenator
    @Reavenator 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Fun fact: Shape of Unn lets you crawl under NKG's bats. Problem is if you finish healing right when one is flying over you...

  • @lemondays4172
    @lemondays4172 2 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    Rusty standing up for Sharp Shadow players is the best thing I’ve ever seen

    • @Windette
      @Windette 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      and he shall burn for it

    • @frantz48_
      @frantz48_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am a sharp shadow player alongside with sprintmaster

    • @mihaivergelea26
      @mihaivergelea26 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@frantz48_ literally my overworld build

    • @frantz48_
      @frantz48_ ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mihaivergelea26 nicee

    • @hollowknightenjoyer
      @hollowknightenjoyer หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@frantz48_ no you are not

  • @JacobPDeIiNoNi
    @JacobPDeIiNoNi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Hiveblood's one of my favorite charms personally. It's just so convenient during casual exploration. It means you can seamlessly continue without needing to stop and heal as long as you don't get hit twice in quick succession, which isn't gonna happen during casual exploration unless you're in deepnest or something. For that reason alone it joins dashmaster as a charm I always equip when I just want to wander around. I also find it useful for bosses that have lots of health, and also don't give you many chances to heal, like Watcher Knights or Grey prince zote. Those boss fights are heavily endurance based, and hiveblood means that as long as you don't get hit too frequently, you have much more endurability to match those boss fights. And it also makes the bees your friends, which makes it S tier on its own.

    • @sbeveloaf1120
      @sbeveloaf1120 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The first time I beat NKG was when I combined deep focus and Hiveblood along with Grubsong and Sprintmaster.

  • @draco4843
    @draco4843 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Sharp shadow is kinda great bcs u could use it on hive knight.

    • @bloom1351
      @bloom1351 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Thats like saying heavy blow is great cuz it makes moss charger a lil bit easier.

    • @alidaher9301
      @alidaher9301 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@bloom1351 no, sharp showdow is not only for hive knight it is for more bosses and can 1 shot bugs, while heavy blow bearly makes a different in the MMC fight and for some bugs you can literally hit them away to give them a better angel to hit you

    • @draco4843
      @draco4843 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alidaher9301 I should of think about that but okay.

    • @themissakura599
      @themissakura599 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've been playing sharp shadow + dashmaster since my first game, it's great to combo any enemy. I've beat up PoH with it, it's so integrated in my play style that I would struggle with platforming without it.

    • @bloom1351
      @bloom1351 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alidaher9301 you see the problem is, shade cloak is the good item in these situations, its the cloak that lets you dash throu enemys and not the charm, that little extra damage barely changes anything. Idk why im putting this much effort to prove that sharp shadow is a bad charm when its one of my favorites, the design is sexy as hell and its pretty straight forward, its mediocre and after toying with it you will never come back to it. (Also it takes 2 charm notches so F-)

  • @dvv6026
    @dvv6026 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Nail arts are really useful if you play with them, it hads some extra damage, and NMG makes it so much faster it's vital in a Nail Art play, which is worth it, and it's only 1 notch. Dream nail are even more on occasions to be honest. And if you find it worthless because you forgor about, blame your memory, not the charm lmao. try change my mind, you can't.

    • @santiagogil7508
      @santiagogil7508 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, rusty's "it's not situational just because you foget to use them" is in my opininon the best way to put it

  • @izzypolo5625
    @izzypolo5625 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    SLANDER against MY dearest longnail charms?? In all my builds now, can’t get hit if your 5 feet away from me

    • @chickennugget6684
      @chickennugget6684 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      mark of pride only gives like 1cm of nail range but the effect of that 1cm is GIANT.

  • @timelorddialga815
    @timelorddialga815 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    "You dont really use this in normal game"
    *me who has carefree melody equipped all the time because I like brumm:* sweats nervously

  • @blakksheep736
    @blakksheep736 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    I dunno, I really liked Shape of Unn. It let me make a healing window out of any attack that could be dodged without jumping or dashing. It's a boss charm, yes, but as most of my deaths came from bosses anyway, it really helped. And Windette's "just don't get hit" argument is kinda mean because, wouldn't you know it, but not a lot of people have put 500+ hours into the game lmao.

    • @Windette
      @Windette 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      "just don't get hit lmao" - a professional idiot with too much free time

    • @bloom1351
      @bloom1351 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Windette damn it you said it before me

    • @JacobPDeIiNoNi
      @JacobPDeIiNoNi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shape of Unn is how I first beat pantheon of the knight. I used it plus quick focus to cheese Pure Vessel by sliding away for 2 or 3 free heals every time they do the triple slash attack. Made the fight so much easier, especially becuase shape of unn is also pretty helpful versus Markoth and maintains at least some use versus watcher knights and soul tyrant

    • @bloom1351
      @bloom1351 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JacobPDeIiNoNi Consider jumping, its a really good way to dodge hits instead of wasting 5 charm slots on a gimmick.

    • @JacobPDeIiNoNi
      @JacobPDeIiNoNi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bloom1351 Not sure why you see this a waste of 5 charm slots on a gimmick. It's the way I beat the pantheon, and I wouldn't consider that a waste. I know that jumping IS an effective strategy to dodge the triple slash, but it doesn't let you heal while doing so and because of that didn't work as well for me. The stress of being at the end of the pantheon meant that I would almost inevitably get hit by attacks, even ones I new how to avoid, so some method of healing was a necessity. Jumping is also far more risky to do pre-emptively than starting a shape of unn heal, since Pure vessel also has a jumping attack, meaning you can very easily take contact damage if you're careless. Whereas you can pretty much mindlessly heal with shape of unn and as long as you have quick focus, be fast enough to avoid most things. the only thing I think you can't react to once you start healing is the void tendrils, and PV only does that at low health. So essentially, it's just different strategies, for different playstyles and the strategy you used, if that was jumping a lot, isn't necessarily going to work for me.

  • @willtheoreminer5527
    @willtheoreminer5527 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Mark of pride is just a way better longnail
    it drastically increases the length of your nail at the cost of only 1 extra notch.
    you can't change my mind about this

  • @ASquared544
    @ASquared544 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Ya know what would’ve been a good change to Grubberly’s Elegy (or at least a neat Charm Combo if you combined with with Spell Twister, Grubsong, or some other soul charm)? Firing the beams when you’re at full soul (extra containers excluded) rather than full health. That would warrant it’s 3 notch cost. As of now it’s only useful on Radiant or when you’re using Lifeblood Heart/Core.

    • @ocarinatales1331
      @ocarinatales1331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That would be cool

    • @santiagogil7508
      @santiagogil7508 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, as it stands right now, i see it as a charm with a cool effect and the potencial to be a lot better with a few tweaks

  • @huwfollantyearl6726
    @huwfollantyearl6726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Ngl, nailmaster’s glory is what is getting me through the pantheons

    • @woahthere7895
      @woahthere7895 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Windette is just a smooth brain

  • @pauliusskackauskas1963
    @pauliusskackauskas1963 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Day 1 of asking Rusty for a Bloodborne randomizer

    • @Jellyduckface1
      @Jellyduckface1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You seem like the type who enjoys Steel Soul mode

    • @pauliusskackauskas1963
      @pauliusskackauskas1963 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jellyduckface1 is it really that obvious

  • @איליגוטמן-צפון
    @איליגוטמן-צפון 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    you know what? i'm just gonna say it:
    KING SOUL IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE CHARMS
    (for the time i had it, it got turned to void heart pretty quickly)

    • @waerden
      @waerden 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If it was 3 notches, it’d be pretty good. 4 notches, kind of bad but 5 NOTCHES???

    • @איליגוטמן-צפון
      @איליגוטמן-צפון 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@waerden it's okay that it takes 5 notches, not that it's a balanced price,
      but i feel like it's overpriced on purpose.
      unless you are making a pet build or get soul from getting hit, you have to go on the offensive to gain soul, wether it's dreamnail or normal attack you still need to get close to the enemy and find an opportunity to do so. king soul allows you to just dodge until you have enough soul and breaks this system.
      it's good that every other way to get soul then going in for a dreamnail or a strike is mostly doesn't worth it.
      btw, it's better for path of pain then hive blood.
      also the charm itself is like the pale king, sounds good, isn't really that good, takes your whole budget and disapears after a short time of having it.

    • @איליגוטמן-צפון
      @איליגוטמן-צפון 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@waerden i hope it's not to much for you to read, i just had a lot to write about it

    • @diethylmalonate
      @diethylmalonate 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kingsoul + Glowing Womb meta

    • @איליגוטמן-צפון
      @איליגוטמן-צפון 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@diethylmalonate i've actually never tried that,
      i'll put it in my list of things to do.

  • @demonkiller7376
    @demonkiller7376 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Let's just all agree wayward compass is the most powerful charm in game and most powerful item there will ever be

    • @santiagogil7508
      @santiagogil7508 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes. 100% unfortunately it's not gonna be in silksong. But then again, using wayward compass is literally cheating

  • @grubygrzib6308
    @grubygrzib6308 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Nailmaster glory is in my opinion S+ charm and one of the best charms in the game. I really felt hurt when he was arguing with you putting it in A tier

  • @KiikaBug
    @KiikaBug 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Watcher Knights: We fear no man.
    But that thing...
    *Sharp Shadow*
    It scares us...

  • @dustinz7131
    @dustinz7131 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I feel this proves that you dont need a good argument but you just have to yell louder

  • @turbosoggy5412
    @turbosoggy5412 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Where is part two????

  • @Sharky2701
    @Sharky2701 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    When I was attempting Traitor Lord, I kept trying to use sharp shadow, but it made the parkour needed to get to him impossible. It might be good, but it is actually terrible for any bosses that you need parkour to get to. The parkour was made with the regular shade dash in mind, so it always zooms you into a spiky wall. It’s good for colosseum though (In my opinion)

    • @dearmarss
      @dearmarss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      sorry for answering a 4-month old comment, but a good option if you can't manage to do the parkour with it is setting a dream gate, die/exit the game and adjust your build.
      i managed to get to traitor lord with sharp shadow by adjusting my movement according to the extra dash length, but i did get hit a few times so i'd still say it's a bit difficult to pull off.

    • @alexdoodles8001
      @alexdoodles8001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mostly doesn't even matter anymore but hey, there's a shortcut from greenpath through massive moss chargers place straight to traitor lord. Though, you can only open up the way from queens gardens. Even then, there's a shade gate so...
      No need for much panicking. if you die, there's a bench near the entrance to mmc just above. Convenient bench.

  • @hornetar
    @hornetar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As an anyrad player I agree with Windette on carefree

  • @theflyingseal2086
    @theflyingseal2086 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I won soul tyrant first try thanks to hive blood, so I kinda like it

    • @waerden
      @waerden 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It would have helped me because I was sitting in the corner hitting Soul Tyrant once every 20 seconds and barely ever taking damage.

  • @xanderbrooks427
    @xanderbrooks427 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So, i used to love grimm child because it was the reason i beat soul master the first time, and i wondered why everyone hated it, but i know now tuat the charm is dog shit

  • @salmonroe5608
    @salmonroe5608 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I have just one thing to say about it all :
    The really seem to underestimate how bad people can be, specifically about shape of unn and hiveblood, i cannot say how often i had to use hiveblood to go through the white palace in general and how shape of unn basically abled me to beat the final pantheon because i could heal during white hollow knight and boosted radience.

    • @nobody_drawz4807
      @nobody_drawz4807 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Shape of Unn was the only reason I ever got past Markoth and Hiveblood got me through White Palace and parts of Crystal Peaks

    • @santiagogil7508
      @santiagogil7508 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bro said the white hollow knight 💀 and the boosted radiance 💀

    • @salmonroe5608
      @salmonroe5608 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@santiagogil7508 ye, i mean people know what ibmean when i say that xD

  • @Sunfish22
    @Sunfish22 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "NKG IS THE FIRST BOSS I'VE RADENTED"
    Me in the middle of a test: "WHAT!?!? WHY DID YOU FLEX SO HARD???"

    • @dominicarps715
      @dominicarps715 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This actually isn't THAT crazy. Considering that NKG is difficult to do normally, the difference between doing it flawless and doing it on Ascended actually isn't that wide. PV was my first successful Radiant boss (as a conscious choice, because it's funny). The difference between having to do a boss in 3 hits and doing it in none isn't a huge deal. Especially for a fight as rhythmic as NKG

    • @santiagogil7508
      @santiagogil7508 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      For real, that's not even a real argument

    • @santiagogil7508
      @santiagogil7508 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dominicarps715 yeah fair enough, i did radiant nkg after foing it ascended in like my 3rd or 4th try

  • @ne2256
    @ne2256 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Sharp shadow is literally vital for me when fighting nkg

    • @Windette
      @Windette 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      angy >:(

    • @aidancode
      @aidancode 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm not trying to be condescending here but seriously... try jumping. It's actually so good as a dodge for crystal guardian, nkg, pure vessel, broken vessel, etc. More reliable than dashes. It's hard to get used to be srsly try it.

    • @Windette
      @Windette 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aidancode is this windette ^ holy shit, when's deepnest explained in insults

    • @aidancode
      @aidancode 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Windette the fantasy of mocking everyone who completely misses cornifer

  • @deepakrajendra8019
    @deepakrajendra8019 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yo wtf Windette? The disrespect on Nailmaster's Glory! I love using my nail arts thank you.

  • @VoxVocisCruora
    @VoxVocisCruora ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As someone who always uses Mark of Pride, I am....not offended at it being called a crutch in the slightest. It's just a crutch I happen to always desperately need to avoid smacking my literal face into the enemy because my reaction time is the w o r s t.