Ballistics south Africa is a crime scene. Now i believe rumours that they clean the scenes and smuggle guns for their clients😢😢😢. Apparently even exhibits just disappear becoz people like Mangena are gods there who are protocols themselves. Bringing exhibits in and out as they wish.
Some people, how Ntanzi and sibiya should remember where we're they on the 26 of october 2014 were else police officers can't remember themselves what happened at crime scene noooooo pls be fair guys before you comment most of these police don't remember but ntanzi and sibiya must remember this is ridiculous
@GodfreyThabangMasina will you forget such an important day when you took leave to go pay lobola? 2014 late -2020 early is 5 years they must remember. This cop can't remember what happened 2014 late to 2024 late that's 10years and I forgive him because he was there as an assistant not ceased with the matter + it's not that he can't remember ,but he is trying to be asked only about what he's there to testify about or else he will spend 4 days in court like his colleagues. He must do the same to Mnisi ukuya le "I can't remember one way ".Allegedly
@@Chibvunza Constable Zungu gave evidence and claims he was with all the accused in basothong hostel and cell phone expect from vodacom pinky come and give the same version as Ntuli to say him and accused no 3 there at goerge Koch hostel never in the visibility of basothong and pls don't tell me about steyn he did not answer the questions possed to to him when he was recalled for the second time to come and clarify as per state prosecutor
@GodfreyThabangMasina Zungu's evidence was that he was with them until they went to bath and came back changed there were even pics to collaborate that there's a transaction that collaborates Zungu's testimony that he went with them to tops using a red car he calls an uno ,but it's a polo.He played a major role rebutting that they don't know each other and that they don't know him .he demonstrated using pictures even Rams surrendered. Zungu did say they disappeared until they cameback hiding guns and had adrenaline .Mncube left his phone at George Goch and took bhobho but cops didn't have section 205s for ubhobho, because they discovered that number years later .Mncube withdrew money on the 27th in Vosloorus and that transaction places him back in the vicinity. Mncube alleged that he was at lesedi but Pinky refuted those claims saying lesedi has a tower .The Vosloorus west tower serves the hostel so 26th Mncube was at basothwin hostel and went to George Goch babuya bayobulala uSenzo went back to George Goch then Alex. They are guilty .Allegedly
@@Chibvunza😂😂😂 mara chibvunza stop being steel head bro, there's no assistance in a police work. There guy didn't he got a full salary for the month in question?? Is that diary a state property ?? Then it must be made available before court. Emanyana bro we all know that you despise those five before court, don't let your hatred to cloud your mind judgemental.
This captain Ntini is as useless as ever to testify in this trial, whenever they're asking him about the training is telling everything, but when it comes to the works that he get payment for he can't remember
So now I hope all the fans of baloyi can see clearly who the mastermind behind all this. The great gininda. It's also clear he's the one also behind adv Teffo's demise. We can see the guilt all over baloyi's face
Why did Ntanzi and Sibiya lied in the first place if their conscious was clear?? Ntanzi said he was at work. Sibiya said he was in KZN and the state proved it..
@@JohannesRathokolo-h3rYou are behind the syllabus Bro. Ntanzi's HR at the Mine came and apologise to the Court for not telling the TRUTH about Ntanzi.
@@colinvadival6004 LOL AY SHEM YOU ARE LYING .SO THAT MEANS MAUMELA WAS ALSO WORKING FOR GININDA? THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND JUDGE IS THAT HE IS GIVEN BUNDLES TO READ THROUGH EVERYTHING NOT SELECTED PAGES ONLY THE STATE/DEFENCE INTENDS TO READ INTO THE RECORD BESE THE DEFENCE PUT VERSIONS WHICH YOU GUYS TAKE LITERALLY .ALLEGEDLY
Hi guys, m new ngi worried for kwabacanga kuthi 5 accused are the real killers, the real people who knows the truth are the poelpe ababesendlini, ok ubuhlungu Meyiwa wayenganabangani, wayenoJudas abathengisa ngaye kungakhali naqhude, wonke muntu oza nobufakazi okuyibona either uyafa or uphelelwa ngu msebenzi, okucacile awukho umthetho Mzansi owabanemali kuphela, wena o ordinary yothwala konke, mawungesiyo ingane angeke kufe muntu beninaye endlini, akhuluma Adv Teffo I salute you, I also Salute Defence team your work is excellent
We believe what we want to believe. Senzos friend said there were intruders and the evidence proves there were intrudersHis friends lost a friend, we cant go aroundaccusing everybody just to clear these accussed. Thina when we insult people for doing their jobs well just to cover uo for the professional k*llers who are we fooling, we are hypocrotes cause Bester does not have much media advocates and people cant wait for him to r*t in jail whilst these inkabis are given flowers for all their killing spree, other advocates are even calling them innocent kids, then im a Nun. Yena uKelly wababhatala for umsebenzi wabo wokubulala uSenzo ufakazi yibag yemali no Ntanzi. Abeko innocent tu nakancane
@nokubongaFortunateMnyandu These are the correct hitman that were hired by Kelly .Senzo's friends described what they saw ,but they didn't know that it was all planned that Longwe will push these gunman and will be excused. They pretended to be fighting but the script was that in all of this Senzo was the one that was suppose to be killed even if he co-operated and gave then cellphones ne mali they were still going to kill Senzo.Ntuli was the one originally hired but he didn't know vosloorus well and that's when he hired Muzi and extra guys to handle Senzo's friends. You can doubt Tumi for eating netflix money but Mthoko gave netflix pics just for the family to benefit,so why would you doubt him when he says there were intruders?Mthoko left to go sleep at his house ,why would you doubt him when he tells you there were nkabis and described them ?why would you doubt mthoko when he says Kelly refused nge ID ka Senzo? .Kodwa nawe Senzo why didn't you just show your friends kids and rush to rooi's party bewufunan ku Kelly unomfaz omuhle onesmilo umshiyela undunu ndala into ehamba inqunu😢.Allegedly
YEAH HE HAD PERSONAL ATTACHMENT TO THE GUN"KILLING MACHINE" +HE THOUGHT HE'D NEVER GET CAUGHT SINCE HE PICKED UP THE CARTRIDGES AND THE MASTERMIND ASSURED THEM THAT THE CRIMESCENE WAS CLEANED WITHOUT KNOWING THAT NO EVIDENCE CAN COMPLETELY BE WIPED OFF NE.BAZOGWETSHWA MALUME,BAZOJEZA NGOKUBULALA UNZORI BACHAZIWE AMA WITNESSS NOKUTH BEBAGQOKENI NGALELO LANGA .ALLEGEDLY
Vacancies at the SAPS ballistic laboratory when this case is concluded, big up to pinkie and Vodacom for excusing themselves earlier from this cooking, they saw it coming and told sisi Pinkie that "No thanks, we ain't riding this one!" 😢😢😢😢😢
They must all go to disciplinary hearings and be dismissed. What nonsense is this? The procedure states that chain of custody must be folllowed yet they did their own things.
Brigadier Gininda works in cold case department of Saps, he was given this case to investigate. Wabe sele esenza njalo. Managed to put us where we are today🙌🙌🙌🙌
So non of this polices who came to this court ever says here is what I recorded regarding this case no pocket books no diary no records even at the most important office ballestic has no record to assist this court. What are they taking us for though
You not allowed to bring pockets books or diaries unless they are requested. Some witnesses even said if they were to be given a chance to refer to their pocketbooks, the only thing one reads from is their affidavits. Remember this witnesses evidence is solely based on the opinion he gave on the bullet test. There is no statement from him for attending the scene. So the questions asked by the defence with regards to times and crime scenes aren't in any document in front of him.
Seniyabona ke ukuthi how powerful Gininda he is he can influence even correctional services on what to do kubasolwa hhay oGininda bayofa bezilanda izindaba
Some delays because an accused is still be brought from Goshi Mampuru prison as state Adv Sibanda has explained. We are hearing police van blue light now meaning the police are bringing him.
All states witness dnt recall or they forget,you can see with naked eye that this is lies,im worried abt people who believe that 5 accused b4 court are the one who killed Senzo,pls guys open ur eyes,this is cooking.but is so sad to Meyiwa,s family😢😢😢
Is OK but if someone remind you then slightly you can recall?? Sibiya was told he did learners in Brakpan but what was his respond.. Remember the accuseds once said they don't agree with what their defense said on behalf of them
HE WAS USELESS AND EMOTIONAL FUTH THERE'S NO 2 WEEKS HE'LL TAKE TO RESOLVE THE MNCUBE KHULUKUTHU ARRANGMENTS .URATHA MAKAVELE AMSHAYE NGE CONTEMPT OF COURT SIKHATHELE AMA DELAY TACTICS WE DEFENCE .ALLEGEDLY
@@ChibvunzaHey buddy...you don't have to shout and scream....you probably did not follow nor understand the import of the cross-examination today. We understand your myopic dilemma. Chill boeta.
TO TESTIFY ABOUT WHAT THEY SAW ON THE MICROSCOPE WHICH LED THEM TO MAKE IT A POSITIVE MATCH.ANYWAY ITS 4 VS 1 DEFENCE SO CALLED WITNESS WHICH WE ARE NOT EVEN SURE IF THEY'D CALL TO COME TELL THE COURT THAT HE MADE IT INCONCLUSIVE - AFTER THIS TRIAL MSHOLOLO MUST BE TRIED FOR ALLEGEDLY FGETTING CALLS FROM NTULI WHILST HE WAS IN PRISON .ALLEGEDLY
THIS CASE IS ALMOST OVER THEY ALSO KNOW HENCE THE DIFFERENCE IS ALREADY TALKING ABOUT AN APPEAL THEY'VE FAILED DISMALLY AGAINST THE GIANT OF LAW CALLED GEORGE BALOYI.ALLEGEDLY
And they fart dor them to continue with the evidence. O Lord have mercy on us. Hay guyz, you can cough if youve been talking and dont give yourself time to sip water to clear your throat.
He was assisting Mangena when they went to the house but does not remember just a few people who were there, or remember or saw Mangena taking the bullet from the door crack. What kind of a police officer is he. One of the qualities of a police officer is to be observant and reliability. He does not even remember the test bullets he used to confirm and give opinion on Mangenas findings. I guess he just said my opinion is that I agree with your findings
Dis guy is lying nje even you can accompany someone to a traditional healer and stand outside when he or she comes out on your way he or she will update you what the traditional healers said.So there is no way Mangena wouldn’t tell him about his findings kanty what was the need to go with him to the crime scene I thought the defence might I ask that question how is it possible you with someone somewhere and not tells you what was his findings
The witnesses are passive. They're unwilling to help the case, constantly avoiding simple questions, and evade questions that can put their friends at tight corners. They always try so hard to avoid serious questions that put their friends in compromised positions when those questions are well within their level of expertise, experience, and job description. That, to me, sounds like rubbing their buddies' backs rather than helping the court to arrive at a rational verdict, and some of you can't even see that when it's displayed for everyone to see.
In house training in such a serious environment .while we have graduates sitting home while abo Mangena are called expects without even a diploma in the field of ballistics. 😢😢😢
Ratha is so smart wow... You people can fight he is giving you the answer before you can make more mistakes and a fool of yourselves.. He is indirectly telling you what the evidence says here be careful guys this judge deals with evidence.. Make noise for all you want but the answer is one... Evidence and how many people against one person?? It's clear and if you don't get it forget it period
lol neh he's just a useless blind messiah .ALL THE QUESTIONS HE ASKED TODAY THAT'S WHAT ALL DEFENCE ADV ASKED FROM MANGENA TO SEREO AND GLOBLER SAME QUESTIONS IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER
It's so sad what is happening with Mncube here bcz he had been framed from the Alexander case off which he was sentenced brigadier Gininda being the leading investigater he then planted the used bullet from the Alexander case via he's servants to the Meyiwa crime scene so it's gonna be Mncube who shot Meyiwa pity for them we all know that phone records had takes him away from the crime scene on the day Meyiwa was shot and killed mxm poor south African justice it's so sad indeed to have such police in this country who can do anything just to prevent or protect the real criminals in this fashion just for the love of money🚮🚮🚮🚮
This case iphekiwe istate but nje mawubheka abantu abasendlini they know who killed Senzo and wayebalekelani ULongwe ... Ngoba wayesethukile kuthi ubulale umuntu and why Kelly phoned Chicco first out off all ppl ... She was informing him about what his son have done nje istraight lento kuthi kuvalwa laba abakhokhile
Mangena took 2 or 3 days to analyse 😂😂😂boom 3 guys took 1 day to do the same analysis . Worse separately 😂😂😂. Guys there are jobs in the ballistics so far that place is has no employees. I see why Dave left 😂😂😂😂
This witness can't recall anything he's suffering from amnesia all of a sudden. He can't recall who was there at the crime scene, he can't remember what he did at the crime scene, he can't remember what time they left Voslurus, he can't comment, he can't state time of arrival at mortuary. He can't remember what assistance he gave mangena, he doesn't want to comment on the word betrayal. I hope people can see this witness is clearly being evasive. Nobody will avoid questions for no reason. It only happens when a person is protecting something or someone.
I think it’s time for us to assist the defense with questions to ask the witnesses.They must I ask is it possible to accompany someone to a crime scene or to a traditional healer then he or she doesn’t tell you his or her findings since you were accompanying or assisting him or her especially if you are doing a same work?I wish the defense see my comment or someone who connects with the defense I really wanna know how Ntini will answer dis question
Why couldn't these defense advocates acknowledge yesterday that the 29-page monthly record is distinct from the two-page document? The judge attempted to clarify this point, albeit with an unnecessary snide remark. Once that distinction was made, the prosecution would have to apply separately to submit the 29-page document to the court. However, the defense seems determined to resist everything, disregarding logic, procedure, and efficiency. They refused to admit that a 29-page document differs from a two-page one yesterday.
Acknowledge how, when they weren't even furnished with the documents, Adv Mngomezulu asked the judge to explain what he meant by distinct, I believe he said, "distinct when compared to what," I'm paraphrasing of course, but it was something on those lines, and the judge couldn't further explain his distinction. You seem to notice their determination to "disregard logic, procedure, and efficiency, but you fail to notice the same with the state and their witnesses when they keep doing it like nobody's business, add the judge that is unwilling to reprimand the state and their witnesses to the equation, it's unparallel; what an unfair trial displayed for everyone to see, and a sad one that some of you are so ignorant and drinking on the coolaid that Baloyi and his shenanigans are pouring, your analysis is always biased, you're not objective at all, but it's OK, your opinions are not material to this case, your input just as mine don't really matter, otherwise it'd be worrisome.
@nkosikhangelemzilikazi1637 Thank you for your perspective. You're addressing two issues. First, the defence should have acknowledged the 29-page document as separate and requested a new application from the prosecution yesterday. It is illogical to say those documents are the same. Second, while unrelated, the prosecution continues introducing new documents under the pretext of ongoing investigations. The defence can object in principle by citing law, counter during their evidence presentation, request additional time, or formally raise the issue with the judge. Arguments like Mnisi's from yesterday and this morning won’t succeed.
@nkosikhangelemzilikazi1637 I've repeatedly emphasized that the prosecution has a substantial burden to meet in order to secure a guilty verdict, and they might even fall short. While the prosecution’s efforts have been average (given their resources), the judge lacks emotional intelligence. These issues have been thoroughly discussed by others. There’s already been enough critique of both the prosecution and the judge, so I won’t delve further into that. My focus now is on the defence, which is failing their clients in a way that’s both troubling and infuriating, especially given that their client likely can't afford an appeal. Moreover, the advocates' poor performance tarnishes the notion of Black Excellence.
@@Adjudicator246, I never heard any of the advocates saying the documents were the same. Which one specifically said they were? I'm sincerely asking so that I can check again maybe I missed that part. I sometimes feel like they think they have exhausted all the procedures with this judge, I mean, you can quote all related and relevant case laws with this judge just for him to give an ear and make a ruling, but he'd cite an authority that is totally irrelevant or unrelated to the issue at hand, and it has happened several times with this judge, and no matter how Baloyi can't really defend his position on the matter, but the judge would rule in his favour, so I think they're just tired of playing the game with the same cards even though they seem to not win, where they should have straight up won. It's not about what is law, and what isn't, it's about who's on the wrong and who is on the right in this particular issue, and it works, because when law can't win in the court of law, what else are you left with?
@nkosikhangelemzilikazi1637 I hear you. Let me address the issues separately so we can focus on both. I'll respond to your other concern separately. Yesterday, before lunch, the judge made a ruling on a 2-page document submitted by the prosecution. After lunch, the prosecution tried to submit a 29-page document, which included the original 2-page submission. The defense objected, arguing that the judge's earlier ruling applied to the 29-page document as well. The judge repeatedly asked the defense, more than ten times, if the documents were the same, but the defense avoided giving a direct answer. Had the defense admitted that the documents were different, the judge would have compelled the prosecution to formally apply for the submission of the 29-page document. Eventually, the judge, after getting no clear response, gave up.
@NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps Gininda will be promoted to General mfo angaz nikuthathaph ukuth ubaba uGininda uzoboshwa that means ne Afriforum uzoboshwa moes ngoba they worked together to bring this strong evidence before court
@NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps @NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps uGininda yi star kwanawe nje nge fake account angaku tracer nge IP address ne Mac address akubophe manje nje for ukuth umuntu omdala udakiwe😂😂
I haven't listened to the whole court seating but under Adv Mngomezulu the witness is not telling the truth at all ,,,istand to be corrected police officers have pocket books so I bealive when they arrived at the scene they wrote down the time ,the surrounding s in the area ,what they did on the scene including the phone call I bealive he did note in his pocket book that Mangen got a call from so n so n they wr asked to attend the scene but him he remembers anything then as a officer if u can't remember what is the use of being in the crime scene even the security guards have pocket book they note everything they see when on duty crime r no crime they note down ther day as is unfold
🤣🤣🤣 Nee man...He *doesn't remember* exactly what he did as part of his duties,he *can't remember anyone* but he *remembers* not seeing *His friend removing anything from the door* 🤣
I i i heard that,umbuzo uthe uyazi na hayi kthi uzwile,yoh baloi unenhliziyo embi towards izingane zabantu angazazi nokuzazi,kuyoze kube nini kulokhu kubizwana nalama witnesses akhuluma amanga nje,ubuyaphi kanti ulokhu uthi,u cannot comment on that,funa lo mama akukhulumele cos uyasho kthi kukhala esakhe ischathulo,why kumele kumele kukhale esakhe schathulo kukwakhe mhlawumbe asazi thina phela,but i think kusemsebenzini akusiyona i MD uase court please can u pls bring someone who can put judge ratha to his place,cos ngathi ukhohliwr kthi kusemsebenzini la akwrnziwa ntando yomuntu kwenziwa msebenzi qha,hai ntinini or what abakuphekanga kahle ke wena,awuzwe,always i cannot comment or i cannot recall,thatha Mngo,uyeza ke ratha,why banga documenthanga icala elinzima kamjr
How would a spent cartridge be lodged on the door? If it was a bullet I would understand. Cartridge case should be on a a floor or any flat surface not lodged on the door
This guy knows everything but scared to spy on them,our justice system iyasabisa
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NO THIS GUY WANTS TO BE ASKED ABOUT MICROSCOPIC RESULTS ONLY AND BE LEFT TO GO
@@Chibvunza all the microscope questions he’s responding well hayi ziyabuya shem
Spy or snitch? I think he's scared for his life. He knows they are mafias
@@nette2144 well said
Ballistics south Africa is a crime scene. Now i believe rumours that they clean the scenes and smuggle guns for their clients😢😢😢. Apparently even exhibits just disappear becoz people like Mangena are gods there who are protocols themselves. Bringing exhibits in and out as they wish.
You said it better 👏
oksalayo these guys killed senzo I have no doubt that the gun that Mncube used to kill senzo killed a taxi boss is 100% true.Allegedly
Some people, how Ntanzi and sibiya should remember where we're they on the 26 of october 2014 were else police officers can't remember themselves what happened at crime scene noooooo pls be fair guys before you comment most of these police don't remember but ntanzi and sibiya must remember this is ridiculous
Thank your my brother,
@GodfreyThabangMasina will you forget such an important day when you took leave to go pay lobola? 2014 late -2020 early is 5 years they must remember. This cop can't remember what happened 2014 late to 2024 late that's 10years and I forgive him because he was there as an assistant not ceased with the matter + it's not that he can't remember ,but he is trying to be asked only about what he's there to testify about or else he will spend 4 days in court like his colleagues. He must do the same to Mnisi ukuya le "I can't remember one way ".Allegedly
@@Chibvunza Constable Zungu gave evidence and claims he was with all the accused in basothong hostel and cell phone expect from vodacom pinky come and give the same version as Ntuli to say him and accused no 3 there at goerge Koch hostel never in the visibility of basothong and pls don't tell me about steyn he did not answer the questions possed to to him when he was recalled for the second time to come and clarify as per state prosecutor
@GodfreyThabangMasina Zungu's evidence was that he was with them until they went to bath and came back changed there were even pics to collaborate that there's a transaction that collaborates Zungu's testimony that he went with them to tops using a red car he calls an uno ,but it's a polo.He played a major role rebutting that they don't know each other and that they don't know him .he demonstrated using pictures even Rams surrendered. Zungu did say they disappeared until they cameback hiding guns and had adrenaline .Mncube left his phone at George Goch and took bhobho but cops didn't have section 205s for ubhobho, because they discovered that number years later .Mncube withdrew money on the 27th in Vosloorus and that transaction places him back in the vicinity. Mncube alleged that he was at lesedi but Pinky refuted those claims saying lesedi has a tower .The Vosloorus west tower serves the hostel so 26th Mncube was at basothwin hostel and went to George Goch babuya bayobulala uSenzo went back to George Goch then Alex. They are guilty .Allegedly
@@Chibvunza😂😂😂 mara chibvunza stop being steel head bro, there's no assistance in a police work. There guy didn't he got a full salary for the month in question?? Is that diary a state property ?? Then it must be made available before court. Emanyana bro we all know that you despise those five before court, don't let your hatred to cloud your mind judgemental.
This captain Ntini is as useless as ever to testify in this trial, whenever they're asking him about the training is telling everything, but when it comes to the works that he get payment for he can't remember
Captain captain captain 😮
So now I hope all the fans of baloyi can see clearly who the mastermind behind all this. The great gininda. It's also clear he's the one also behind adv Teffo's demise. We can see the guilt all over baloyi's face
Why did Ntanzi and Sibiya lied in the first place if their conscious was clear??
Ntanzi said he was at work. Sibiya said he was in KZN and the state proved it..
@@JohannesRathokolo-h3rayi that has no substance to this case! You are far behind if you are still there!
Fuseki wena golo@@JohannesRathokolo-h3r
@JohannesRathokolo-h3r they won't answer that. All they want is conspiracy n gossip stories😅😅😂
@@JohannesRathokolo-h3rYou are behind the syllabus Bro. Ntanzi's HR at the Mine came and apologise to the Court for not telling the TRUTH about Ntanzi.
Ntini does not want to act like Judas Scariot to Mangena he tries by all means to back up his colleague
They all working for gininda including the judge
@@colinvadival6004true🤞
@@ThembalihleMariaMkhize-yd7zq it’s a team
@@colinvadival6004Do you have evidence? If you not just shut up.
@@colinvadival6004 LOL AY SHEM YOU ARE LYING .SO THAT MEANS MAUMELA WAS ALSO WORKING FOR GININDA? THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND JUDGE IS THAT HE IS GIVEN BUNDLES TO READ THROUGH EVERYTHING NOT SELECTED PAGES ONLY THE STATE/DEFENCE INTENDS TO READ INTO THE RECORD BESE THE DEFENCE PUT VERSIONS WHICH YOU GUYS TAKE LITERALLY .ALLEGEDLY
Hi guys, m new ngi worried for kwabacanga kuthi 5 accused are the real killers, the real people who knows the truth are the poelpe ababesendlini, ok ubuhlungu Meyiwa wayenganabangani, wayenoJudas abathengisa ngaye kungakhali naqhude, wonke muntu oza nobufakazi okuyibona either uyafa or uphelelwa ngu msebenzi, okucacile awukho umthetho Mzansi owabanemali kuphela, wena o ordinary yothwala konke, mawungesiyo ingane angeke kufe muntu beninaye endlini, akhuluma Adv Teffo I salute you, I also Salute Defence team your work is excellent
We believe what we want to believe. Senzos friend said there were intruders and the evidence proves there were intrudersHis friends lost a friend, we cant go aroundaccusing everybody just to clear these accussed. Thina when we insult people for doing their jobs well just to cover uo for the professional k*llers who are we fooling, we are hypocrotes cause Bester does not have much media advocates and people cant wait for him to r*t in jail whilst these inkabis are given flowers for all their killing spree, other advocates are even calling them innocent kids, then im a Nun. Yena uKelly wababhatala for umsebenzi wabo wokubulala uSenzo ufakazi yibag yemali no Ntanzi. Abeko innocent tu nakancane
Waz kanjani bengabuza ngoba wawungekho endlini
Yes
@@samkelomaduna6697 abantu ababesendlini babona isbhamu esinesondo( revolver) koda la ba busy nge 9mm,ishoke who to believe makunje
@nokubongaFortunateMnyandu These are the correct hitman that were hired by Kelly .Senzo's friends described what they saw ,but they didn't know that it was all planned that Longwe will push these gunman and will be excused. They pretended to be fighting but the script was that in all of this Senzo was the one that was suppose to be killed even if he co-operated and gave then cellphones ne mali they were still going to kill Senzo.Ntuli was the one originally hired but he didn't know vosloorus well and that's when he hired Muzi and extra guys to handle Senzo's friends. You can doubt Tumi for eating netflix money but Mthoko gave netflix pics just for the family to benefit,so why would you doubt him when he says there were intruders?Mthoko left to go sleep at his house ,why would you doubt him when he tells you there were nkabis and described them ?why would you doubt mthoko when he says Kelly refused nge ID ka Senzo? .Kodwa nawe Senzo why didn't you just show your friends kids and rush to rooi's party bewufunan ku Kelly unomfaz omuhle onesmilo umshiyela undunu ndala into ehamba inqunu😢.Allegedly
Why is Gininda running DGS?
Why is Baloyi involved?
How is the Judiciary allowing this?
Group of criminals look at baloyi he’s doggy old man
Believe me, there is no such things. Please stop defending the criminals by coming with conspiracy theories.
It says a lot. Those people running DOC must be highly compromised.
Yazi kodwa bafowe2 senziwa izilima,kungathi ngidubule muntu mkhulu kangaka bese ngiphinde ngibeke leyo gun endlini yam cos basithathe bazi kthi bafuna ukubhixa izingane zabantu ngalolubende abalidle bona o baloi nd the crew
YEAH HE HAD PERSONAL ATTACHMENT TO THE GUN"KILLING MACHINE" +HE THOUGHT HE'D NEVER GET CAUGHT SINCE HE PICKED UP THE CARTRIDGES AND THE MASTERMIND ASSURED THEM THAT THE CRIMESCENE WAS CLEANED WITHOUT KNOWING THAT NO EVIDENCE CAN COMPLETELY BE WIPED OFF NE.BAZOGWETSHWA MALUME,BAZOJEZA NGOKUBULALA UNZORI BACHAZIWE AMA WITNESSS NOKUTH BEBAGQOKENI NGALELO LANGA .ALLEGEDLY
Emva koSenzo le gun yadubula i taxi owner
@@NtombikayiseDanisa yadutyulwa nguwe devil 👿😂
@@NtombikayiseDanisabeauty with no brains satan
Aseniyeke lentfo leniyentako stop saying these suspect are bieng framed coz licala vele liyaphikwa
Vacancies at the SAPS ballistic laboratory when this case is concluded, big up to pinkie and Vodacom for excusing themselves earlier from this cooking, they saw it coming and told sisi Pinkie that "No thanks, we ain't riding this one!" 😢😢😢😢😢
They must all go to disciplinary hearings and be dismissed. What nonsense is this? The procedure states that chain of custody must be folllowed yet they did their own things.
Prisoners should be inhumanly treated??🤷♀️Some are even there because they were wrongly accused/convicted.
These ones are hard core criminals
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@@Joycelyn10111 Even if they are hard core criminals, now are they to suffer for the crime they did not commit?
I also didn't understand that too
Yes bt they are not involved in this case look how the state is introcuding evidence through back door and this clown judge accepts it
Gininda seems to have everyone by the balls! He is al over the place like a bad smell, giving instructions. Sentle sentle, who is Gininda?
His painting the court red lol
Brigadier Gininda works in cold case department of Saps, he was given this case to investigate. Wabe sele esenza njalo. Managed to put us where we are today🙌🙌🙌🙌
So non of this polices who came to this court ever says here is what I recorded regarding this case no pocket books no diary no records even at the most important office ballestic has no record to assist this court. What are they taking us for though
You not allowed to bring pockets books or diaries unless they are requested.
Some witnesses even said if they were to be given a chance to refer to their pocketbooks, the only thing one reads from is their affidavits. Remember this witnesses evidence is solely based on the opinion he gave on the bullet test. There is no statement from him for attending the scene. So the questions asked by the defence with regards to times and crime scenes aren't in any document in front of him.
Seniyabona ke ukuthi how powerful Gininda he is he can influence even correctional services on what to do kubasolwa hhay oGininda bayofa bezilanda izindaba
Seemingly you were not listening
This case is handled by lot of honourables behind doors. The truth is pressed somewhere. SA is not going anywhere as a country in terms of law
Some delays because an accused is still be brought from Goshi Mampuru prison as state Adv Sibanda has explained. We are hearing police van blue light now meaning the police are bringing him.
All states witness dnt recall or they forget,you can see with naked eye that this is lies,im worried abt people who believe that 5 accused b4 court are the one who killed Senzo,pls guys open ur eyes,this is cooking.but is so sad to Meyiwa,s family😢😢😢
It’s so sad
Ratha should be ashamed of himself for prolonging this case.
Do you remember what you did in 2014?
Is OK but if someone remind you then slightly you can recall?? Sibiya was told he did learners in Brakpan but what was his respond.. Remember the accuseds once said they don't agree with what their defense said on behalf of them
There are still those slow ones what can’t put 1+1 together to get 2!
Mnisi was on fire today. This was his other side I wasn't aware of. Brilliant! Next the defence should face Ratha and Baloyi about their behavior .
HE WAS USELESS AND EMOTIONAL FUTH THERE'S NO 2 WEEKS HE'LL TAKE TO RESOLVE THE MNCUBE KHULUKUTHU ARRANGMENTS .URATHA MAKAVELE AMSHAYE NGE CONTEMPT OF COURT SIKHATHELE AMA DELAY TACTICS WE DEFENCE .ALLEGEDLY
Uyabona ityala liya emapetweni ufuna uhlala erhola qa kupela kudalabazibona ityala labehlula kudala. Senditshilo bangathukisela abadla imali kaKelly
@@ChibvunzaHey buddy...you don't have to shout and scream....you probably did not follow nor understand the import of the cross-examination today. We understand your myopic dilemma. Chill boeta.
@@Chibvunza because ungomnye we 👿😈😈 like that's why nja
Dakiwe wena msunu @@Chibvunza
Ntini and Grobler they can't recall anything manje why are they here ??? Nothing has been documented kanjani being an analyst.
@@lindamkhwebane they are just being called to buy out time
@@alicesmit7403 dEFENCE ASKED FOR THEM SINGAKHOHLWA NE
TO TESTIFY ABOUT WHAT THEY SAW ON THE MICROSCOPE WHICH LED THEM TO MAKE IT A POSITIVE MATCH.ANYWAY ITS 4 VS 1 DEFENCE SO CALLED WITNESS WHICH WE ARE NOT EVEN SURE IF THEY'D CALL TO COME TELL THE COURT THAT HE MADE IT INCONCLUSIVE - AFTER THIS TRIAL MSHOLOLO MUST BE TRIED FOR ALLEGEDLY FGETTING CALLS FROM NTULI WHILST HE WAS IN PRISON .ALLEGEDLY
@@Chibvunzahow did the defence knew about them?
I believe someone mentioned their names in his testimony 😂😂😂
@@pumzilesiyokwana9786Bottom line the defense askhed for them so deal with it.
Where is the Minister of Correctional Services// GNU
Exactly
Some questions are useless and waste of time and energy in this honourable court of Law.
This case is beyond repair.
THIS CASE IS ALMOST OVER THEY ALSO KNOW HENCE THE DIFFERENCE IS ALREADY TALKING ABOUT AN APPEAL THEY'VE FAILED DISMALLY AGAINST THE GIANT OF LAW CALLED GEORGE BALOYI.ALLEGEDLY
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They keep defribilating it but it just keeps relapsing. It's been on life support for a while but the machines are failing.
😂😂😂😂makhenikha akatholakali😂😂😂
Mngomezulu finished everything in less than 5min
@@muzimabena2089 he’s leaving no unturned stone
LOL HE ASKHEARD THE ASKHEAD THAT ALL DEFENCE HAS ALREADY ASKHEARD
@@Chibvunza...I know how passionate you hate the defence. Chill bruh...😂 the truth is around the corner. Take your tabs for chest pains
Then Mnisi and Ramosepele waste time that is why the case takes long!If all the others were on level of Mngomezulu the case would have finished!
And still managed to insult the witness & prosecutor in one go🤣🤣🤣🤣
2x cough from state and 1x cough from my Lord Ratha.... Signals sazibona
Yes.. I have been trying to post and post.. Baloyi always coughs for the witness to deny..🎉
I thought I was the only one who noticed the coughs as signals because on can not have a chronic cough or throat irritation throughout the year.
And they fart dor them to continue with the evidence. O Lord have mercy on us. Hay guyz, you can cough if youve been talking and dont give yourself time to sip water to clear your throat.
What I know is that if it not documented it not done.
All these witnesses never confirmed the test, they are just telling us lierß
You are nothing.
Klaar
He was assisting Mangena when they went to the house but does not remember just a few people who were there, or remember or saw Mangena taking the bullet from the door crack. What kind of a police officer is he. One of the qualities of a police officer is to be observant and reliability. He does not even remember the test bullets he used to confirm and give opinion on Mangenas findings. I guess he just said my opinion is that I agree with your findings
Dis guy is lying nje even you can accompany someone to a traditional healer and stand outside when he or she comes out on your way he or she will update you what the traditional healers said.So there is no way Mangena wouldn’t tell him about his findings kanty what was the need to go with him to the crime scene I thought the defence might I ask that question how is it possible you with someone somewhere and not tells you what was his findings
Which is very problematic!
Is this the case for today 1 October 2024??
Ask your self why accused would be late in court be the judge... Then you ask yourself how you could stage something for you to get away
The witnesses are passive. They're unwilling to help the case, constantly avoiding simple questions, and evade questions that can put their friends at tight corners. They always try so hard to avoid serious questions that put their friends in compromised positions when those questions are well within their level of expertise, experience, and job description. That, to me, sounds like rubbing their buddies' backs rather than helping the court to arrive at a rational verdict, and some of you can't even see that when it's displayed for everyone to see.
Well said! Observed same too. It's disgusting
Such powerful people are aware of the plights of a prisoner but they are not doing anything.
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@@Constance-dm8hr 💔
" i cant recall , my lord". Mhhhh something fishy here with this guy aka witness for Bàloyi Ratha.
In house training in such a serious environment .while we have graduates sitting home while abo Mangena are called expects without even a diploma in the field of ballistics. 😢😢😢
BSc graduates who understand what science is
Baloyi you are heartless regarding Mcube issue.
Regarding this case as a whole. He is just inhuman.
He is involved
Corruption in Correctional services ,kubole konke nama jaji konke no Prosecutor, Saps kubole konke izinja
Kubole kwasani
The pause nefore answering the question its giving a vibe 😂
Wont be suprised if all these state witn3sses get promoted at the end if trial
If they make it that far..They are all snakes laying next to each other. There is no honor amongst thieves.
Mngomezulu is to powerful for this boy 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This witness knows his job very well.
Mr Ncube that’s what Thabo Bester is subjected too
Gininda ask Selebe igazi lmntu liyakhuluma especially Senzo's father he said this loud and clear who killed his son imali ndiyayoyika yho
Ballistic expert s they don t recall.
Baloyi is "Mgulugudu"
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Mangingahlangana noMloyi emnyameni ngingamshaya ngetshe kabi!
The Accused are all late from Grosi Mampuru? From what I know they are not held in same institution.
😂😂 yes bt the fat prosecutor said they are held in kgosi mampuru
Baloyi is coaching him quickly thats why they are delayed 😅😅 but ag his brain will be selective and will not remember 90% of what he did on that day😅
Balistic witnesses they're all covering for Mangena. Hope they know what they're doing it will catch up with them soon bazozwa ngathi bayavutha
Shame Ntini is running for his life..
Kwaze kwabuhlungu abakwenza ku Mncube 💔💔💔💔
At least he is still alive and Senzo is no more because of him. Senzo is fighting.
Very painful my sister!
Manje uMyLort he just comes in without being called from the chamber😂😂😂😂😂I old age idlala ngaye lo
😂😂😂 Orata drama wena😅
@@malulejk123 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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So Ratha et al see Senzo's murder as a big joke,hence the ducking and diving in court!😢
😂😂😂😂7th Oktober after two weeks 😮😮😮 exactly after one Year
Today is 15th Oktober 2024,
umuthu uyasebenta😮
Mshololo ke hot lady today! Go girl.
Ratha is so smart wow... You people can fight he is giving you the answer before you can make more mistakes and a fool of yourselves.. He is indirectly telling you what the evidence says here be careful guys this judge deals with evidence.. Make noise for all you want but the answer is one... Evidence and how many people against one person?? It's clear and if you don't get it forget it period
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Where ever Gininda and Mangena are fuming because of Ntini's testimony 😂😂😂😂😂
Mngomezulu is a beast
I agree with you 💯
100%
lol neh he's just a useless blind messiah .ALL THE QUESTIONS HE ASKED TODAY THAT'S WHAT ALL DEFENCE ADV ASKED FROM MANGENA TO SEREO AND GLOBLER SAME QUESTIONS IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER
Yes this TikTok lawyer is a beast when it comes to speculations and gossip with zero substance.
@@walterndlovu-f2fls a beast not in a negative way you think but in a positive way, to defend the accused.
Yazi ngathi yomina siwengu ngibophise makhelwane kthi u pasa ma remarks bese lamaphiy8sa athi angithathanga any notes yes lokho kungezwakala hay ecaleni elibuchayi ngalendlela,yoh baloi nd his crew niyosha esihongweni stru nd nginifisela okubi kodwa,Thixo sebenza ngalezigebengu ezithi zisebenza ngomthetho kanti cha,yoh sengukhathele yilento mina,nginifisela nhlanhla zingane zabantu kanye nama lawyers enu,sengiyozwa mzukwane seliphelile lelicala shame
Bayosha?bashele ukubopha imigumdatshani eyay'kade iphila ngemali yegaz ?
It's so sad what is happening with Mncube here bcz he had been framed from the Alexander case off which he was sentenced brigadier Gininda being the leading investigater he then planted the used bullet from the Alexander case via he's servants to the Meyiwa crime scene so it's gonna be Mncube who shot Meyiwa pity for them we all know that phone records had takes him away from the crime scene on the day Meyiwa was shot and killed mxm poor south African justice it's so sad indeed to have such police in this country who can do anything just to prevent or protect the real criminals in this fashion just for the love of money🚮🚮🚮🚮
Who shot his girlfriend and her sister, i think it wasChicco Twala
Ayboh😮
@@NtombikayiseDanisaHi when did they got shot I don't know the story
@@NtombikayiseDanisamiss informed it wasn't mncube buy accused 1 allegedly
Zungu 's hearsay
This case iphekiwe istate but nje mawubheka abantu abasendlini they know who killed Senzo and wayebalekelani ULongwe ... Ngoba wayesethukile kuthi ubulale umuntu and why Kelly phoned Chicco first out off all ppl ... She was informing him about what his son have done nje istraight lento kuthi kuvalwa laba abakhokhile
Gininda is also running the DCS😂😂😂
Who is Gininda for real? I'm curious. Why does he have so much power
You did not do any test Ntini
Same what they did to Teffo msebenzi ka gwinija masterind
Wabanjelwa ifraud uclaima imali fraudulently
Lol kuncono ngoba seniyabona ukuth ukuphapha kwenzanani
@@NtombikayiseDanisauyanya where you there?
Mina ngidinwa nje u judge ophenduke i lawyer ye state i prosecutor ye defence.
HE IS SERVING THE NATION ONE LAST TIME .5 LIFE SENTENCES LOADING NGATH ANGABUYA FOR THE KELLY TRAIL .ALLEGEDLY
Mangena took 2 or 3 days to analyse 😂😂😂boom 3 guys took 1 day to do the same analysis . Worse separately 😂😂😂. Guys there are jobs in the ballistics so far that place is has no employees. I see why Dave left 😂😂😂😂
This witness can't recall anything he's suffering from amnesia all of a sudden. He can't recall who was there at the crime scene, he can't remember what he did at the crime scene, he can't remember what time they left Voslurus, he can't comment, he can't state time of arrival at mortuary. He can't remember what assistance he gave mangena, he doesn't want to comment on the word betrayal. I hope people can see this witness is clearly being evasive. Nobody will avoid questions for no reason. It only happens when a person is protecting something or someone.
Useless witness!
Question is “how is he going to assist the court if he doesn’t remember anything, waste of time.
@@ma_tee_nExactly.
Gininda & Baloyi & Ratha imiguludu yemigukudu anezinhliziyo ezimbi 😮😮😮
Is Ntini really a Police?how come he doesnt answer simple questions?
I am also doubting this guy
This is the calibre of police we have in our country!
I think it’s time for us to assist the defense with questions to ask the witnesses.They must I ask is it possible to accompany someone to a crime scene or to a traditional healer then he or she doesn’t tell you his or her findings since you were accompanying or assisting him or her especially if you are doing a same work?I wish the defense see my comment or someone who connects with the defense I really wanna know how Ntini will answer dis question
You can only assist, but he is the one connecting the dits andwriting notes, so wena afta that day you concentrate on your wirk
Why couldn't these defense advocates acknowledge yesterday that the 29-page monthly record is distinct from the two-page document? The judge attempted to clarify this point, albeit with an unnecessary snide remark. Once that distinction was made, the prosecution would have to apply separately to submit the 29-page document to the court. However, the defense seems determined to resist everything, disregarding logic, procedure, and efficiency. They refused to admit that a 29-page document differs from a two-page one yesterday.
Acknowledge how, when they weren't even furnished with the documents, Adv Mngomezulu asked the judge to explain what he meant by distinct, I believe he said, "distinct when compared to what," I'm paraphrasing of course, but it was something on those lines, and the judge couldn't further explain his distinction. You seem to notice their determination to "disregard logic, procedure, and efficiency, but you fail to notice the same with the state and their witnesses when they keep doing it like nobody's business, add the judge that is unwilling to reprimand the state and their witnesses to the equation, it's unparallel; what an unfair trial displayed for everyone to see, and a sad one that some of you are so ignorant and drinking on the coolaid that Baloyi and his shenanigans are pouring, your analysis is always biased, you're not objective at all, but it's OK, your opinions are not material to this case, your input just as mine don't really matter, otherwise it'd be worrisome.
@nkosikhangelemzilikazi1637 Thank you for your perspective. You're addressing two issues. First, the defence should have acknowledged the 29-page document as separate and requested a new application from the prosecution yesterday. It is illogical to say those documents are the same.
Second, while unrelated, the prosecution continues introducing new documents under the pretext of ongoing investigations. The defence can object in principle by citing law, counter during their evidence presentation, request additional time, or formally raise the issue with the judge. Arguments like Mnisi's from yesterday and this morning won’t succeed.
@nkosikhangelemzilikazi1637 I've repeatedly emphasized that the prosecution has a substantial burden to meet in order to secure a guilty verdict, and they might even fall short. While the prosecution’s efforts have been average (given their resources), the judge lacks emotional intelligence. These issues have been thoroughly discussed by others. There’s already been enough critique of both the prosecution and the judge, so I won’t delve further into that. My focus now is on the defence, which is failing their clients in a way that’s both troubling and infuriating, especially given that their client likely can't afford an appeal. Moreover, the advocates' poor performance tarnishes the notion of Black Excellence.
@@Adjudicator246, I never heard any of the advocates saying the documents were the same. Which one specifically said they were? I'm sincerely asking so that I can check again maybe I missed that part.
I sometimes feel like they think they have exhausted all the procedures with this judge, I mean, you can quote all related and relevant case laws with this judge just for him to give an ear and make a ruling, but he'd cite an authority that is totally irrelevant or unrelated to the issue at hand, and it has happened several times with this judge, and no matter how Baloyi can't really defend his position on the matter, but the judge would rule in his favour, so I think they're just tired of playing the game with the same cards even though they seem to not win, where they should have straight up won. It's not about what is law, and what isn't, it's about who's on the wrong and who is on the right in this particular issue, and it works, because when law can't win in the court of law, what else are you left with?
@nkosikhangelemzilikazi1637 I hear you.
Let me address the issues separately so we can focus on both. I'll respond to your other concern separately.
Yesterday, before lunch, the judge made a ruling on a 2-page document submitted by the prosecution. After lunch, the prosecution tried to submit a 29-page document, which included the original 2-page submission. The defense objected, arguing that the judge's earlier ruling applied to the 29-page document as well. The judge repeatedly asked the defense, more than ten times, if the documents were the same, but the defense avoided giving a direct answer. Had the defense admitted that the documents were different, the judge would have compelled the prosecution to formally apply for the submission of the 29-page document. Eventually, the judge, after getting no clear response, gave up.
Gininda will go down as the worst police member ever. Just like Jackie Selebi
Disgraced is the word! 😂😂😂
@NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps Gininda will be promoted to General mfo angaz nikuthathaph ukuth ubaba uGininda uzoboshwa that means ne Afriforum uzoboshwa moes ngoba they worked together to bring this strong evidence before court
Udakiwe just like Gininda
@NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps @NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps uGininda yi star kwanawe nje nge fake account angaku tracer nge IP address ne Mac address akubophe manje nje for ukuth umuntu omdala udakiwe😂😂
You're delusional, how is Gininda going down?
These People looks like someone gave them scope to read when they go to Court. An they gave them a surety that Ratha will help when things go wrong
I haven't listened to the whole court seating but under Adv Mngomezulu the witness is not telling the truth at all ,,,istand to be corrected police officers have pocket books so I bealive when they arrived at the scene they wrote down the time ,the surrounding s in the area ,what they did on the scene including the phone call I bealive he did note in his pocket book that Mangen got a call from so n so n they wr asked to attend the scene but him he remembers anything then as a officer if u can't remember what is the use of being in the crime scene even the security guards have pocket book they note everything they see when on duty crime r no crime they note down ther day as is unfold
Remember s nothing
What a waste of time and of court and waste of tax payrs money of this witness
Mncube in Solitary confinement??? No ways! Spends most days in Court and goes back to a “private room” in prison!
🤣🤣🤣 Nee man...He *doesn't remember* exactly what he did as part of his duties,he *can't remember anyone* but he *remembers* not seeing *His friend removing anything from the door* 🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Very convenient....
On a side note..how did you bolden some of the words?
I i i heard that,umbuzo uthe uyazi na hayi kthi uzwile,yoh baloi unenhliziyo embi towards izingane zabantu angazazi nokuzazi,kuyoze kube nini kulokhu kubizwana nalama witnesses akhuluma amanga nje,ubuyaphi kanti ulokhu uthi,u cannot comment on that,funa lo mama akukhulumele cos uyasho kthi kukhala esakhe ischathulo,why kumele kumele kukhale esakhe schathulo kukwakhe mhlawumbe asazi thina phela,but i think kusemsebenzini akusiyona i MD uase court please can u pls bring someone who can put judge ratha to his place,cos ngathi ukhohliwr kthi kusemsebenzini la akwrnziwa ntando yomuntu kwenziwa msebenzi qha,hai ntinini or what abakuphekanga kahle ke wena,awuzwe,always i cannot comment or i cannot recall,thatha Mngo,uyeza ke ratha,why banga documenthanga icala elinzima kamjr
zazi kahle lezinkabi umuzi uboshwe 17 yes ngecala lokuzama ukubulala i girlfriend ebeyifuna ukukhuluma emaphoyiseni 2. uMncube 35 years ngokubulala usomatekisi 5 months emva kokubulala usenzo ngesbhamu esisodwa 3.maphisa inkabi eyaziwayo ngokudla ama akhanda e lenke 4.Ntuli wabulala ikhansela uThami Nyembe kanye nabanye abawu 6 sixhuma no mzala wakhe lapho u Spha Zungu 5.Ntanzi yena bekathengisa izibhamu nezidakamizwa abulala isizwe.Allegedly
@@Chibvunza Dakiwe wena awunabufakazi balokho yingani ungabizwa wena yilomzala wakho Baloyi
How was it
How would a spent cartridge be lodged on the door? If it was a bullet I would understand. Cartridge case should be on a a floor or any flat surface not lodged on the door
Ntini doesn't remember anything
This man is somehow not answering some Advocate questions by choice😅
Why is he here, he doesn't remember anything.
He was here to testify about giving an opinion on bakkistics
@@NtombikayiseDanisa😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This witness is just wasting time because he can't recall anything
Yebo yes!The greatest mgulugudu pf them all:Baloyi😢
Corruption everywhere
Was just an informal opinion! Ntini baba ithi uyadlala baba. Why are you here then !??
Go and ask the defense that question.
The witness can't tell coz there are covering Mangena
Is, this dialogue between Baloyi and Ratha necessary ?
Ingabe iyozala nkomoni nkosiyami yashona ingane yabantu but akukho okucacayo alikhulume igazi laSenzo akalwe bakithi
What waste of time and tax resources
Thabo Bester influence since they are all held at the same institution mgosi mmapuru
this is not sure these 🚨 Know the thruth
Did this guy went with mangena to do body measurements on all the accused persons in police cells as an assistant
Ratha is disgrace shem on this case showing ubutsotsi
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Wahlafuna amanzi Ntini tini😂😂
Aay this witness akabonanga namazibithi 😂
Mapotisa kebosathane
He remembers everything about his training 🤔
Besezoyephi izinsizwa eziwu 5,nakhu ngingaziboni enkantolo?
Kazi loohela mini lecala
Sibanda is a snake
Snake + amoeba = octopus
Konke ne judge nalo Baloyi
@@Userde989 very true,got no more interest on this case anymore there’s no ending to it
@@thokomsweli6174 true
Imigodoyi
Aiiii kodwa what Gninda is doing to accused no3 is horrible and DCS is allowing him aiiii anyway i can't recall i don't know
Gininga thinks he is king. He Manipulate every situation. Ukhohlakele leyo ndoda
Its not even nearly what was done to Senzo and his family