Maybe in ME2 they knew that, but in ME3 they totally spoiled his story. I'll say something abstract but ME3 would have been much better if there was an option to stay on the side of Cerberus and go to the end with Illusion. Yes, I know that such an option would change the whole game but well... such an option would be outstanding. I would definitely be on his side.
@@ADZIOOthis would’ve been the BEST idea for ME3. Not only does it make perfect sense, but at least by the end, if you decided to actually select “control” as an option then ALL of that work with Cerberus would be a pay off instead of a dead end for a plot. I always wished we had the option to join a mercenary group on ME2 and were able to carry that save through to 3 for some more plot/scenes for Omega.
We went from this level of cinematics, which are on par with some TV shows and movies, with clever backgrounds and shadows, backed up by fantastic voice actors... to Andromeda. Man, it feels so sad.
That's what happens when the minds behind Mass Effect 1 and 2 get replaced by some inexperienced clowns from Bioware Montreal. Granted, Andromeda is still fun to play for the combat and it's still Mass Effect. But man do I miss the deep, complex writing, characters and lore of the original Mass Effect. Illusive Man alone, this shadowy figure who is somehow both friend and foe is a pretty good example of that,
i meet Mark Meer at comic con in albuquerque and let me just say this. I spent all 3 days of the con talking with him and he is an awesome to talk to. He is friendly and loves his fans and didn't mind and even enjoyed our long conversations and i discovered that him and Jennifer Hale are very good friends and his wife is friends with her and he has played all 3 Mass Effect games through every possibility. He is an awesome guy ^^
I agree, although, I did enjoy the bulk of ME3's story, as well. The initial ending SUCKED, but the "fix" made it more acceptable. ME1 was a great intro to the series. I had never played a game that made me feel so immersed into the story as ME1. But ME2 just had so many memorable moments. This scene, in particular. You get a bad vibe right off the bat about the Illusive Man, but you have no choice but to accept his help, and his resources. Just a fantastic game, in almost every aspect.
@@Krebssssssss I played the whole trilogy this year and I think the third one had a downgraded combat. It is not as good as the third in any aspect. The squad members dont seem unique with flashy skills (IE: kasumi teleporting, Samara with biotics combos and thane) They even removed heavy weapons, which were my favorite, although gimmicky, combat feature in ME2.
This has to be in the top 10 of any video game ever made. And in the top 100 of any story, movie, book, video game, or TV show. One of the most memorable stories, and some of the most unforgettable characters, ever. Like Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon", "Breaking Bad", or "Lord of the Rings", they had to have known they were doing something that was epic, would forever be remembered, and was really something special.
watching this scene after playing ME3 is just bizarre. I really liked the relationship between you and TIM - a twisted symbiotic sort of dependance mixed with a lot of manipulation. but in ME3 they tried way too hard to make Cerberus look totally evil and TIM lost a lot of what made him so fascinating and captivating.
I gotta say I actually disagree, it may have been a bit exaggerated but overall it went along very well with the Illusive Man’s persona, that’s what made indoctrinating him so easy. He was confident in his safeguards, his abiliy to control the things he was messing with. The more people he sacrificed the harder it would have been to back out and just waste al of those sacrifices. Even in Me3 he is still the same captivating Grey character, in fact he was even right, but he was indoctrinated and caught up in his own plans he could never see the problem with it, himself
The eyes was affected by an Prothean artifact. Back in his way early days years before Cerberus as (SPOILER. REAL NAME WILL NOT BE MENTIONED BY ME) he was a mercenary fighting in the first contact war. During this war he was trying to save a friend from a pothean artifact. It seemed to dammage him. As he saved the friend of him, was affected instead. He understood foregin languages, his eyes became perfectly blue and he had several advantages. But he was never indoctronated before Mass Effect 3.
In Mass Effect three I'm pretty sure you can see a video of him as you storm his Base of him having an operation with repear tech. I think that made him indoctrinated, the time he did this was just after shepard destroyed the collectors so he became indoctrinated on the bridge to ME3
This brilliant, complex and extremely competent character being reduced to just another punch-clock thug, it really broke my heart because he was one of the best antagonists (to use a very broad term for the sake of discussion) in gaming ever and boom. Shit.
I mean it makes sense that under indoctrination he'd lose his edge. There's some stuff in the shadow broker DLC that points to him not being as alert and all knowing as he presents himself. Could've been cool to see him play a bigger role in 3 but they probably weren't looking to shell out any more of the budget to Martin Sheen.
@@evantambolang3052 True, unfortunately. One of the greatest mistakes Mass Effect 3 made in my opinion: turning Cerberus into another generic villain and robbing them of all the nuance of the previous game. The Illusive Man we see in ME 3 is almost not even the same character.
He pretty much degenerated into a generic villain by the end of ME3. I really hated how they made all of Cerberus into husks, and removing every sense of them being human built up in ME2.
@@kapitan19969838 Uh, yeah. His ideology is still the same it’s just manipulated into helping the reapers because of his indoctrination. He thinks he’s still helping humanity, still about human progression but the problem is is that indoctrination fools you into thinking you’re doing the right thing for the right reasons when in fact you’re not. That’s precisely what happened with the illusive man as time went on it became more extreme.
@@UltimateFeudEnterprise Cerberus being indoctrinated was a retcon in Mass Effect 3 and later books/comics, there was no intent for them to be connected to the Reapers in any way until halfway through Mass Effect 3's script writing process. The original plan was for Shepard to have the choice of going with the Alliance or Cerberus to begin building up his galactic forces.
I love the character of the Illusive Man. He's exceptionally well written and he is in many ways the equivalent of the Smoking Man from The X-Files, a show I thoroughly enjoyed.
Such a shame they turned him into another punch-clock villain in ME3. He's absent the entire game, there seems to be no motive to what Cerberus is doing beyond being a threat you need to deal with (they want to 'control the Reapers' but the Illusive Man, even before indoctrination, shows a reckless attitude towards the potential for his own soldiers to be indoctrinated given that he's seen it happen multiple times), then he shows up at the end to play the role of final villain. I know he was indoctrinated, but that would have been interesting to see, wouldn't it? Have him contact you through the game requesting that you come to work for them again, even make it an option to side with him temporarily again in order to play both sides for the Reaper war, like with the Salarians/Krogan and Geth/Quarians. Instead they force you to oppose him
Mass Effect 3’s original story got scrapped. Combination of the original writer leaving BioWare, and the story failing to meet expectations. The original campaign was going to focus on dark matter, and the fact that it’s literally just magical energy. Unfortunately, magical energy both cannot create life, and can only be used by organic life. Eventually, the universe would be full of dark matter, with lifeforms left to use it. The reapers were culling species to lead evolution towards a race of “techno mages” that could turn magic energy back into thermal energy. The whole thing got scrapped, and a lot of plot points started in ME2 were altered or abandoned in order to prevent plot holes.
@@lucaswilliams2292 I've heard about this. Something Tali mentions in 2 about Rannoch's sun and stuff, right? I think it definitely sounds far more creative than what they went with. It sounds like it might have been a bitch to realise and keep grounded. The war with the reapers at least provided a very easy hook to keep everything going.
Something changed in the gaming industry... games nowdays feel so bland and boring compared to this. Now they feel like robots without emotions compared to this.
Man, you could tell Bioware knew they had a legendary character with Illusive Man. This intro is amazing.
Maybe in ME2 they knew that, but in ME3 they totally spoiled his story. I'll say something abstract but ME3 would have been much better if there was an option to stay on the side of Cerberus and go to the end with Illusion. Yes, I know that such an option would change the whole game but well... such an option would be outstanding. I would definitely be on his side.
@@ADZIOOthis would’ve been the BEST idea for ME3. Not only does it make perfect sense, but at least by the end, if you decided to actually select “control” as an option then ALL of that work with Cerberus would be a pay off instead of a dead end for a plot.
I always wished we had the option to join a mercenary group on ME2 and were able to carry that save through to 3 for some more plot/scenes for Omega.
Who ever wrote the dialogue for Mass effect 2, he earns too less
We went from this level of cinematics, which are on par with some TV shows and movies, with clever backgrounds and shadows, backed up by fantastic voice actors... to Andromeda. Man, it feels so sad.
That's what happens when the minds behind Mass Effect 1 and 2 get replaced by some inexperienced clowns from Bioware Montreal. Granted, Andromeda is still fun to play for the combat and it's still Mass Effect. But man do I miss the deep, complex writing, characters and lore of the original Mass Effect. Illusive Man alone, this shadowy figure who is somehow both friend and foe is a pretty good example of that,
On par with ANY* TV shows and movies
Не очікував побачити тут когось з України.
@@rj_man_ Ми є всюди :)
Andromeda was a disgrace for the franchise
This game is by far one of the best. it still looks good for a 2010 game.
NO! KOTOR 3 should have been and would have been WAY WAY WAY BETTER!
My balls itch!
2021
Still one of the best
Coming in from 2023 to say this is still peak gaming. Timeless
I would join illusive man after hearing his speech.
He seems like he knows everything and is prepared ahead.
makes you wonder if there's an illusive man out there somewhere
Charles Godewyn
Almost certainly. We will never know who he is, but there’s some enigmatic individual out there seeking to guide and elevate humanity.
@@_Cato_ It's Lizard Man Mark Zuckerberg. Priscilla is his Miranda and he smokes on the loudest Kush in the universe at FB HQ.
@@godewyn JFK
@@_Cato_ me
Fun Fact:They play this music at Busch Gardens Howl o' Scream in Tampa, Florida. I got way to excited when i heard it.
i meet Mark Meer at comic con in albuquerque and let me just say this. I spent all 3 days of the con talking with him and he is an awesome to talk to. He is friendly and loves his fans and didn't mind and even enjoyed our long conversations and i discovered that him and Jennifer Hale are very good friends and his wife is friends with her and he has played all 3 Mass Effect games through every possibility. He is an awesome guy ^^
i would wonder if he would quote one of Shepards lines in Daily grind or speak the same things shepard says so there is a big echo in the playroom
Some say he's still trying to get that comfortable seat position to this day...
The best game in the series
I agree, although, I did enjoy the bulk of ME3's story, as well. The initial ending SUCKED, but the "fix" made it more acceptable. ME1 was a great intro to the series. I had never played a game that made me feel so immersed into the story as ME1. But ME2 just had so many memorable moments. This scene, in particular. You get a bad vibe right off the bat about the Illusive Man, but you have no choice but to accept his help, and his resources. Just a fantastic game, in almost every aspect.
@@Krebssssssss I played the whole trilogy this year and I think the third one had a downgraded combat. It is not as good as the third in any aspect. The squad members dont seem unique with flashy skills (IE: kasumi teleporting, Samara with biotics combos and thane) They even removed heavy weapons, which were my favorite, although gimmicky, combat feature in ME2.
This has to be in the top 10 of any video game ever made. And in the top 100 of any story, movie, book, video game, or TV show. One of the most memorable stories, and some of the most unforgettable characters, ever. Like Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon", "Breaking Bad", or "Lord of the Rings", they had to have known they were doing something that was epic, would forever be remembered, and was really something special.
top 5
Dude's a chainsmoker extraordinaire.
watching this scene after playing ME3 is just bizarre. I really liked the relationship between you and TIM - a twisted symbiotic sort of dependance mixed with a lot of manipulation. but in ME3 they tried way too hard to make Cerberus look totally evil and TIM lost a lot of what made him so fascinating and captivating.
politics
Wait until you played ME Andromeda
I gotta say I actually disagree, it may have been a bit exaggerated but overall it went along very well with the Illusive Man’s persona, that’s what made indoctrinating him so easy. He was confident in his safeguards, his abiliy to control the things he was messing with. The more people he sacrificed the harder it would have been to back out and just waste al of those sacrifices. Even in Me3 he is still the same captivating Grey character, in fact he was even right, but he was indoctrinated and caught up in his own plans he could never see the problem with it, himself
@@afriendlyreminder6072 im 50/50 between you and OP on the issue
Fuck EA.
i want that to be my office
The eyes was affected by an Prothean artifact. Back in his way early days years before Cerberus as (SPOILER. REAL NAME WILL NOT BE MENTIONED BY ME) he was a mercenary fighting in the first contact war. During this war he was trying to save a friend from a pothean artifact. It seemed to dammage him. As he saved the friend of him, was affected instead. He understood foregin languages, his eyes became perfectly blue and he had several advantages. But he was never indoctronated before Mass Effect 3.
In Mass Effect three I'm pretty sure you can see a video of him as you storm his Base of him having an operation with repear tech. I think that made him indoctrinated, the time he did this was just after shepard destroyed the collectors so he became indoctrinated on the bridge to ME3
I never liked the idea of him being indoctrinated. I hoped that the Illusive Man was an exception and somewhat unique.
What a tragic disappointment.
The song playing in this scene reminds me of the 90s Bulls intro
This brilliant, complex and extremely competent character being reduced to just another punch-clock thug, it really broke my heart because he was one of the best antagonists (to use a very broad term for the sake of discussion) in gaming ever and boom.
Shit.
I mean it makes sense that under indoctrination he'd lose his edge. There's some stuff in the shadow broker DLC that points to him not being as alert and all knowing as he presents himself.
Could've been cool to see him play a bigger role in 3 but they probably weren't looking to shell out any more of the budget to Martin Sheen.
Is that martin sheen..
it is. hes a great actor in this game
And that cigarette? Sheen is just using a stick in mocap since he doesn’t smoke
I don't agree that "villain" word match to him. Everything what he did was for the good of humanity, so his goal was noble ... only means not.
But at the end he was indoctrinated by the Reapers, so he still ended up as a villain
@@evantambolang3052 True, unfortunately. One of the greatest mistakes Mass Effect 3 made in my opinion: turning Cerberus into another generic villain and robbing them of all the nuance of the previous game. The Illusive Man we see in ME 3 is almost not even the same character.
He pretty much degenerated into a generic villain by the end of ME3. I really hated how they made all of Cerberus into husks, and removing every sense of them being human built up in ME2.
geekodot thats what repear indoctrination does though.
@@UltimateFeudEnterprise Hmm, nah
@@kapitan19969838 Uh, yeah. His ideology is still the same it’s just manipulated into helping the reapers because of his indoctrination. He thinks he’s still helping humanity, still about human progression but the problem is is that indoctrination fools you into thinking you’re doing the right thing for the right reasons when in fact you’re not. That’s precisely what happened with the illusive man as time went on it became more extreme.
@@UltimateFeudEnterprise Cerberus being indoctrinated was a retcon in Mass Effect 3 and later books/comics, there was no intent for them to be connected to the Reapers in any way until halfway through Mass Effect 3's script writing process. The original plan was for Shepard to have the choice of going with the Alliance or Cerberus to begin building up his galactic forces.
@@tsukopara2054 That would prolly be too costly
I like your choice of armour.
fun fact i just learned the illusive man voice acter is Martian sheen who is the father of Charley sheen the more u know
I love the character of the Illusive Man. He's exceptionally well written and he is in many ways the equivalent of the Smoking Man from The X-Files, a show I thoroughly enjoyed.
Even then he was indoctrinated, look at the eyes
Same here..I helped him the best I could I owed it to the illusive man for bringing me back
So this how the Mass Effect story died- with thunderous applause.
Why is Bob Page in Mass Effect?
Such a shame they turned him into another punch-clock villain in ME3. He's absent the entire game, there seems to be no motive to what Cerberus is doing beyond being a threat you need to deal with (they want to 'control the Reapers' but the Illusive Man, even before indoctrination, shows a reckless attitude towards the potential for his own soldiers to be indoctrinated given that he's seen it happen multiple times), then he shows up at the end to play the role of final villain. I know he was indoctrinated, but that would have been interesting to see, wouldn't it? Have him contact you through the game requesting that you come to work for them again, even make it an option to side with him temporarily again in order to play both sides for the Reaper war, like with the Salarians/Krogan and Geth/Quarians. Instead they force you to oppose him
Mass Effect 3’s original story got scrapped. Combination of the original writer leaving BioWare, and the story failing to meet expectations.
The original campaign was going to focus on dark matter, and the fact that it’s literally just magical energy. Unfortunately, magical energy both cannot create life, and can only be used by organic life. Eventually, the universe would be full of dark matter, with lifeforms left to use it. The reapers were culling species to lead evolution towards a race of “techno mages” that could turn magic energy back into thermal energy. The whole thing got scrapped, and a lot of plot points started in ME2 were altered or abandoned in order to prevent plot holes.
@@lucaswilliams2292 I've heard about this. Something Tali mentions in 2 about Rannoch's sun and stuff, right? I think it definitely sounds far more creative than what they went with. It sounds like it might have been a bitch to realise and keep grounded. The war with the reapers at least provided a very easy hook to keep everything going.
Something changed in the gaming industry... games nowdays feel so bland and boring compared to this. Now they feel like robots without emotions compared to this.
halley na?
Liara and the Illusive Man have got alot of fucking nerve calling up God and asking him to send Shepard back to the land of the living.
Movie ?
Blarg
pong
+8 gap na?
ping
milka gap na taher cerberus cleoopaasma marry sex na?
clio 4 na?8
French Version is better