Didnt really change the call though. Dangerous hit, but bumped, without a whistle.. maybe 2. I think they just have a new book this year, a hyper crack down to help stars not get injured because they are the money. The league is so fast, gotta do something to minimize injuries
With fights being down so much now there’s little risk throwing a hit like this so I think the refs have picked up the slack, people don’t realize how OP hitting is in hockey if left unchecked lol
Daniel Carcillo was suspended for this same play - the Department of Player Safety explains precisely why this is Boarding and why it is a Match penalty. (See "Daniel Carcillo suspended 7 games 1/4/12")
@@WadeStOnge-tr7cw so, being shoved into someone and unable to avoid contact, on a play when the referee was very slow to call icing to the point you couldn't reasonably assume the players knew they were calling it until after the contact was made is what they call boarding worthy of a suspension? ...... If so, that's a big problem. You can just shove an opposition player into one of your team mates and get them suspended and a major penalty out of it? ....
That is just embarrassing. No accountability from the refs, instead they blame Hathaway for playing until the whistle. An absolute joke NHL. Changed the whole game.
@@3rddegreeful Maybe not all that much, but the flyers lost Hathaway for the entire game and he’s been playing hard, solid hockey. On top of it, they missed a 5 min major late in the game as well. The guy two hand slashed Konecny across the hands. He’ll at least get a fine, if not a suspension. The officiating is so irritating in this league.
You cannot say it didnt change the game that much when the 4th line loses one of their important players and now the team is down a forward for two full periods and what was left of the 1st. @@3rddegreeful
@@mainelybettas847 Agreed. Also, if the refs made the correct call, giving the guy who slashed Konecny late in the game a 5 min major, the Devils would not have scored 30 seconds into overtime, instead they would have been on the penalty kill and most likely lose the game. I don’t think people understand how big of an impact the officials have on every game.
Seems to me there are a lot of players screaming at official for blowing the whistle for icing when it was obvious they were going to get their first. It looks like Luke wanted to get there first so the ref let him do it. Resulting in why they change the rule in the first place, too many people were getting hurt.
The most messed up thing is, if Hathaway straight up says "that was a terrible call. The refs were bad the whole game" (which is true), he would be the one getting fined. There's a reason guys only say stuff like "I didn't like the call" or "I didn't think it was a penalty". If they state it as the fact that it is, they get fined.
That hit should be on the refs for not blowing the play . Refs in all sports have video replay and still suc its on you Gary and others for letting it go
so many things wrong with this: 1. no indication from ref that it was indeed a potential icing call (no arm up) 2. if it was icing it shouldve been blown way earlier, when the puck first crossed the line 3. the whistle comes after the hit so play is technically still live 4. what in the world is Hughes doing? he's not in a playing position by any means making himself super vulnerable. either go hard for the puck or don't go for it, rather than doing some one-handed reach for the puck knowing there are other guys going straight for it. if icing was indeed waived off that is a clean hit and he gets hurt like he did there.
Number 3 is incorrect. Per the rules the play is dead when the ref thinks it, not necessarily when he blows the whistle. Secondly hitting someone like that in the danger zone generally results in a penalty. I believe per the rules, that is a major penalty and a game misconduct.
@@drexxler138 The play is dead when the whistle blows. Players have been taught to be play until they hear a whistle. How else do the players know when play is stopped without the whistle being used? The hit is also a clean hit. Luke Hughes touches the puck and let himself up to a big hit like that because he assumes that the play is dead when it wasn't and that's noted when the other three players are still skating to the puck because the whistle wasn't blown yet
Nearly every game I watch now it's not that the officials are incompetent its that they're clearly biased and corrupt. Babcock should be going through their phones if you want to see some match fixing.
Watch the linesman on the first shot of the video. He is waving the icing (arms going out) and as the hit happens he brings his arm up and blow the whistle after the hit. What the hell was he thinking???
For once, the commentators got this absolutely right. I'm a ref, so it hurts to blame my colleagues, but dammit, the touch icing days are long over. If this is icing, it's gotta be blown dead at the hash marks. And if it's not, this is legal play. And all that ignores the push from Hughes' teammate. The fact that the refs discussed for so long, and listened to Tortorella's yelling for so long, means they know they may be wrong. And the worst part is how they talked themselves into confirming their own call "upon video review". Tough hit, and bad call.
As a fellow ref, I don't disagree with you. Judging from the Tortorellas gesturing, I'm guessing they tried to sell it by saying it would have been boarding even if icing had been waived. I also think if they were trying to call it based on the whistle, they would have called a match. So in my mind, they went with the 5+gm based on the severity of the hit. I could see a case for boarding, but I've seen hits I thought were boarding let go at the NHL level.
@@SDSOne Funny how you asked a question and then decided you already knew the answer and - shockingly - the answer you made up was one that allowed you to pretend you were right and smart. I have worked with some of the current NHL refs. Thanks for coming out. You're the joke.
NHL officiating at it's best... again! I've played, coached and officiated hockey, not at the NHL level, for over 40 years now and I still can't understand the calls in today's games.
“A boarding penalty will be assessed to any Player who checks or pushes an unsuspecting opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to hit or impact the boards violently or dangerously.”
As an official you have to realise that regardless of any fault of the whistle blowing late, you can't make that hit. Even if there was no icing, you can't make that hit. As the other guy posted the rule, if you make a hit that results in the opponent violently or dangerously impacting the boards, that is boarding. There was a high degree of danger, so it's a Major. Whether the linesman should have blown or not is immaterial, he didn't and Hathaway acted like he didn't.
Hughes let up before the whistle. That was not a hard hit, if he didn’t ease up and was properly braced he wouldn’t have gotten rocked. He was playing as lazy as the ref was. Clean shoulder to shoulder that any NHLer should have merely gotten knocked off the puck if they weren’t being lazy
@@goaltender330 I definitely agree that it wasn't a hard hit, but you still can't make that hit there. 3-4 ft from the boards is the danger area for boarding and Hathaway needs to be aware of that and adjust his hit accordingly. If you slow it down you can see that the hit is high, and I don't think Hughes was being lazy. He just thought it was going to be called icing because, I mean it WAS icing. 100% of the blame goes to the linesman for sure though
Tortorella should be pissed, he has every right to be. The whistle was egregiously tardy, Hughes assumed it was going to be blown for icing, Hathaway continued to play because he didn't hear one. Siegenthaler maybe slightly pushing Hathaway...meh. No call, I can see. 2 minute penalty, I can see. 5 and a game misconduct?? IDTS. 🤨🤨
@@Theaveragejoehockeyreportboarding has nothing to do with a players #. Boarding is hitting an unsuspecting player into the boards regardless of their positioning. It is a penalty but 5 and a game is a joke
I'm not a Flyers fan but this is absolutely horrendous. Glad Hughes is ok after this but damn.. if anything was gonna be called here, maybe 2 for roughing at most. Wow.
Decades ago, the linesman used to put his hand up for icing immediately upon the puck being sent from the other side of the red line, and hold it there as a delayed signal until blowing a whistle if a touch-up was made. If something happened to wash out the icing he'd bring his arm down and give the washout signal and play would continue. The goalie would see the linesman with his hand up and put his glove up to let his skaters know to hurry up and chase it down to win the touch-up and that he was not going to leave his crease to handle the puck - but this was 100% based on the signal he was getting from the linesman. Now that they've switched to no-touch icing and the linesman doesn't put his hand up (pointlessly) until he blows the whistle, there's no way for the players on the ice to know that an icing call is imminent and that the should act accordingly.
@@gabegib11 Ummmm.... yeah.... but you play until you hear a whistle. That was the point of the hybrid icing. They didn't blow the whistle meaning that Hathaway thought the play was alive. There's literally no reason that he shouldn't have hit him. He's a star player that put himself in the position to be wrecked (Hughes) because he wasn't playing like an idiot. Always keep your head up and always play until the whistle. Anyone with an issue against that hit is just flat out wrong. Objectively, factually, indisputably, 100% clean hit.
Intent to blow the whistle here is like intent to brake at a red light. Doesn't actually count at all and doing the job would've prevented a collision.
@@noname-x8t9ztbh he himself becomes triggered 9/10 times and he looks like a snowflake himself but I love his energy and how he’ll tell it like it is to the press
@@bvldrTorts isn't nearly as bad as he used to be. I hated his guts for a long time because, while I always liked and respected his no bullshit, tough as nails, no excuses old-fashioned way of coaching, his obnoxiousness took away from his character. I couldn't stand him. But he's really not much like that anymore. Look at him now compared to when he coached the Rangers. He's mellowed out a lot. That said, he had every reason to blow his top tonight and be as pissed as he was. I was right there with him.
Honestly in some cases coaches and players should be able to rant off on officials without the fear of getting fined or suspended. While they may not cost teams games, what we have seen over the years is that it's getting worse every year. This call right here helps confirm it.
You are taught to play until the whistle. Linesman never blew the whistle, play is live. The official created the situation. And admitted no culpability or blame. That was not a penalty and it was not a game misconduct and it certainly was not a major. And Luke should have had a match penalty for embellishment. The officiating in the NHL is approaching a joke.
@@edvadojunk I like Torts! And I like the world's only triple gold coach- Mike Babcock. Newer fans have no idea what goes into this game. The passion, the crazy hormones.. you're not going to find somebody sane who wants to get bashed into the boards or have 4-in vulcanized rubber discs flying at their heads at 90 mph! Lol! So I'll just ask fans be careful because they don't actually know what's going on behind the scenes. Coaching hockey players is one of the most fun and toughest things a coach can do. It's a very dangerous sport. The rest of this stuff is a sideshow. Those of us who are in locker rooms, rink ratz keep our mouths shut. Because the most of the embarrassment would go toward the players not coaches. I can't believe how they took down Mike Babcock in a boy's gossiping hen house Fans don't know the fact that when hockey players go over the Canadian border, border patrol can take their phones and go through them any day. George parros in the player safety committee job is actually to monitor players behavior both on and off the ice. They could go through phones. Canada violates "privacy rights" all the time - they don't have privacy. So obviously these hockey fans have never gone into Canada! But they're going to take down a triple gold coach?! It's happened to many of us driving to Alaska. These coaches know not to expect less than the players deserve, because they will have settled for less than they expected.
That is a clean hit all day. Couldn't have been more clean..... but..... because Hathaway... because it's The Flyers... and because it's a hit on a star player....... 5 minutes. NHL ref logic.
not here to say what the call should have been, but here is the rule in the nhl rulebook Rule 41 - A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player who checks or pushes a defenseless opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to hit or impact the boards violently or dangerously. The severity of the penalty, based upon the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee. There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the application of this rule by the Referees. The onus is on the player applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a defenseless position and if so, he must avoid or minimize contact. However, in determining whether such contact could have been avoided, the circumstances of the check, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the check or whether the check was unavoidable can be considered. This balance must be considered by the Referees when applying this rule. Any unnecessary contact with a player playing the puck on an obvious “icing” or “off-side” play which results in that player hitting or impacting the boards is “boarding” and must be penalized as such. In other instances where there is no contact with the boards, it should be treated as “charging.”
@@nolane3972 I just never seen a penalty for boarding when it wasn't from behind, even in the EA Sport NHL video games u only get boarding on hits from behind on the boards
@@nolane3972 I just never seen a penalty for boarding when it wasn't from behind, even in the EA Sport NHL video games u only get boarding on hits from behind on the boards
I want to know what world the linesman was in when he thought about waiving that off. Luke had a noticeable step on both Flyers players. I don't blame him for letting up there expecting an icing.
Its a boarding penalty not a roughing call after the whistle you can board somebody before during nd after the whistle this has to be flyers home announcing.
We the referees for this game have decided that instead of being accountable for our mistake of not blowing the whistle quickly enough, we’re going to deflect blame to the player for our screw up since we don’t have the emotional maturity to own our mistakes.
Where are the Bruce Hoods and John Damicos? The NHL is sure scraping the talent barrel these days. The whistle was late and this was a combination of a late whistle and an awkward fall into the boards.
I don’t see the issue? Hughes has got to protect himself there? He’s putting 1 hand towards to puck, he’s engaged in the play, a hit is warranted there
I don't either; it was shoulder to shoulder--a clean hit but from what I saw, I did not see an arm raised either from the referee, indicating a d-zone icing. I don't understand the call here either.
Nice to see someone else recognize the hit as boarding. Everyone else seems focused on the icing aspect of the play, they ignore where the players are in relation to the boards when contact is made.
this call is the exact scenario with Cale Makar and Mcann in the playoffs. you cant hand out majors and ejections because you dont know how to whistle a play in time. god awful officiating in sports these days and it's rigging games.
1 blow the whistle, 2 pertect yourself at all times this is not PeeWee hockey, 3 because he got mmmmm hurt and fell that was the call cause he fell and looked like he got hurt, 4 refs have to realize fans come to the game to see the players and not the refs, 5fans are getting turned off because of these types of calls.
Normally i disagree with torts antics and coaching ability but for once i agree with torts being pissed off on the refs on this one whistle should have been blown earlier and did i not see a push from siegenthaler? Like a boarding call.... really.....
The refs and the idiots are trying to protect their star Hughs player and making a statement. All of these refs should be docked there pay for this game.
I'm a Devils fan and not a fan of torts or his antics. But that was the wrong call. They usually blow the whistle when the puck crosses the blue line. They suck. They sucked last year and this year they suck even more.
Another reason why this call was so bad and few people are mentioning it. The boarding call by the NHL rule book is a hit from behind. Hathaway hit him in the chest. By rule, boarding actually does not even apply.
The icing call was definitely blown, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still a boarding penalty any day of the week. He didn't get boarding because it was called icing...he would have got that even if it was waved off. Boarding that results in an injury is going to be a major every time. You can, and Torts argued that it's somehow up to Hughes to protect himself, but the responsibility lies on the attacking player, not the player being fouled. That's the rule.
yea just like when trouba swung nd hit his stick at the detroit players head 2 days ago nd not even a penalty was called lol, nd it was an elbow to the head
![John Tortorella refuses to leave after being ejected [FULL SEQUENCE]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/CKaR-bmLxKw/mqdefault.jpg)
For those not watching the game, Luke Hughes returned at the start of the 2nd period.
Didnt really change the call though. Dangerous hit, but bumped, without a whistle.. maybe 2. I think they just have a new book this year, a hyper crack down to help stars not get injured because they are the money. The league is so fast, gotta do something to minimize injuries
That proves to me that Hughes embellished. (2 minute minor to Hughes. )
Did he come out for the start of overtime too? I missed the start of the extra frame.
@@thereisnowayyouareforreal5156stick to soccer nerd
With fights being down so much now there’s little risk throwing a hit like this so I think the refs have picked up the slack, people don’t realize how OP hitting is in hockey if left unchecked lol
We are definitely witnessing the worst officiating games in decades
Funny how we say this every year.
@@philipgwyn8091 that just makes it a trend.
Check out Dahlin almost getting hurt first period stabbers/ blues
Daniel Carcillo was suspended for this same play - the Department of Player Safety explains precisely why this is Boarding and why it is a Match penalty. (See "Daniel Carcillo suspended 7 games 1/4/12")
@@WadeStOnge-tr7cw so, being shoved into someone and unable to avoid contact, on a play when the referee was very slow to call icing to the point you couldn't reasonably assume the players knew they were calling it until after the contact was made is what they call boarding worthy of a suspension? ...... If so, that's a big problem. You can just shove an opposition player into one of your team mates and get them suspended and a major penalty out of it? ....
I think Torts handled that quite well.
Yup. Torts of 10 years ago would have gotten himself thrown out.
@@fleatactical7390He's probably been warned by the league about arguing with the refs.
@@gidzmobug2323 Yeah, and? LOL
It's never stopped him before.
That is just embarrassing. No accountability from the refs, instead they blame Hathaway for playing until the whistle. An absolute joke NHL. Changed the whole game.
It really didn't change the game all that much, the devil's didn't score on the major penalty. But agreed not blowing the whistle is ridiculous
@@3rddegreeful Maybe not all that much, but the flyers lost Hathaway for the entire game and he’s been playing hard, solid hockey. On top of it, they missed a 5 min major late in the game as well. The guy two hand slashed Konecny across the hands. He’ll at least get a fine, if not a suspension. The officiating is so irritating in this league.
You cannot say it didnt change the game that much when the 4th line loses one of their important players and now the team is down a forward for two full periods and what was left of the 1st. @@3rddegreeful
@@mainelybettas847 Agreed. Also, if the refs made the correct call, giving the guy who slashed Konecny late in the game a 5 min major, the Devils would not have scored 30 seconds into overtime, instead they would have been on the penalty kill and most likely lose the game. I don’t think people understand how big of an impact the officials have on every game.
Seems to me there are a lot of players screaming at official for blowing the whistle for icing when it was obvious they were going to get their first. It looks like Luke wanted to get there first so the ref let him do it. Resulting in why they change the rule in the first place, too many people were getting hurt.
For Torts standard he was really calm
Yup, age does that to you. The way he crawled back to his run behind the bench….I know EXACTLY how that feels!😂👴🏻
Nice to see the refs double down and get it wrong twice instead of owning up to their mistake.
Nowadays they will call the major so that they are able to review it, then can change the call accordingly. Or not in this case
I was at a junior game last season where they called a major then upon review changed it no infraction
NHL should be able to give fines to referees for bad calls like this to show them they need to smarten up. Especially, after they review the play.
At the very least they should have to answer questions after games like players are required to do
Especially when an avoidable occurs!
They have a union which will never let that happen.
It won't help, the refs follow the direction of the league, they're just following orders
The most messed up thing is, if Hathaway straight up says "that was a terrible call. The refs were bad the whole game" (which is true), he would be the one getting fined. There's a reason guys only say stuff like "I didn't like the call" or "I didn't think it was a penalty". If they state it as the fact that it is, they get fined.
Someone give the refs a 5 minute misconduct, the late icing call is entirely their fault
It wasn't icing
@@tarbosa5071it was icing hence why the whistle blew even before Hathaway threw the hit
so by your logic, if a ref make a late call, you can injure another player?
@@alexandrelevesque7614 You play until the whistle, hyrbid icing was created so this exact thing wouldn't happen. This is entirely on the refs.
That hit should be on the refs for not blowing the play . Refs in all sports have video replay and still suc its on you Gary and others for letting it go
Torts' post game presser could be epic
Oh it was. I saw it. I’m a Flyers fan. He was PISSED about this. 😂😂
@@jasoncoladonato1034Got video?
@@gidzmobug2323 All his post game pressers are on Flyers YT channel.
so many things wrong with this:
1. no indication from ref that it was indeed a potential icing call (no arm up)
2. if it was icing it shouldve been blown way earlier, when the puck first crossed the line
3. the whistle comes after the hit so play is technically still live
4. what in the world is Hughes doing? he's not in a playing position by any means making himself super vulnerable. either go hard for the puck or don't go for it, rather than doing some one-handed reach for the puck knowing there are other guys going straight for it. if icing was indeed waived off that is a clean hit and he gets hurt like he did there.
IT WAS BOARDING. FECKING NONSENSE.
Number 3 is incorrect. Per the rules the play is dead when the ref thinks it, not necessarily when he blows the whistle. Secondly hitting someone like that in the danger zone generally results in a penalty. I believe per the rules, that is a major penalty and a game misconduct.
Not like he kicked a guy in the neck.
@@drexxler138The players have no way to know what the linesman is thinking. The whistle was late so the play was ongoing.
@@drexxler138 The play is dead when the whistle blows. Players have been taught to be play until they hear a whistle. How else do the players know when play is stopped without the whistle being used? The hit is also a clean hit. Luke Hughes touches the puck and let himself up to a big hit like that because he assumes that the play is dead when it wasn't and that's noted when the other three players are still skating to the puck because the whistle wasn't blown yet
I know people complain about officiating normally, but my god this year they are incompetent. They even get it wrong when looking at the replay!
Nearly every game I watch now it's not that the officials are incompetent its that they're clearly biased and corrupt. Babcock should be going through their phones if you want to see some match fixing.
Watch the linesman on the first shot of the video. He is waving the icing (arms going out) and as the hit happens he brings his arm up and blow the whistle after the hit. What the hell was he thinking???
Probably thinking about his retirement package. None of these refs are in it for anything beyond the money at this point.
pretty sure he jumped over the puck but nonetheless still horrid officiating
That's the neat part, he wasn't
they are covid vaccinated, brain capacity is lowered each day for vaxxies
For once, the commentators got this absolutely right. I'm a ref, so it hurts to blame my colleagues, but dammit, the touch icing days are long over. If this is icing, it's gotta be blown dead at the hash marks. And if it's not, this is legal play. And all that ignores the push from Hughes' teammate. The fact that the refs discussed for so long, and listened to Tortorella's yelling for so long, means they know they may be wrong. And the worst part is how they talked themselves into confirming their own call "upon video review". Tough hit, and bad call.
Jim Jackson is the GOAT and Boucher has really come into his own as a color guy.
As a fellow ref, I don't disagree with you. Judging from the Tortorellas gesturing, I'm guessing they tried to sell it by saying it would have been boarding even if icing had been waived. I also think if they were trying to call it based on the whistle, they would have called a match. So in my mind, they went with the 5+gm based on the severity of the hit. I could see a case for boarding, but I've seen hits I thought were boarding let go at the NHL level.
Are you an NHL ref? They aren't your colleagues please. Spare us. The refs are a joke every game
@@SDSOne Funny how you asked a question and then decided you already knew the answer and - shockingly - the answer you made up was one that allowed you to pretend you were right and smart. I have worked with some of the current NHL refs. Thanks for coming out. You're the joke.
NHL officiating at it's best... again!
I've played, coached and officiated hockey, not at the NHL level, for over 40 years now and I still can't understand the calls in today's games.
“A boarding penalty will be assessed to any Player who checks or pushes an unsuspecting opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to hit or impact the boards violently or dangerously.”
Stick to coaching ten year olds bud.
As an official you have to realise that regardless of any fault of the whistle blowing late, you can't make that hit. Even if there was no icing, you can't make that hit. As the other guy posted the rule, if you make a hit that results in the opponent violently or dangerously impacting the boards, that is boarding. There was a high degree of danger, so it's a Major. Whether the linesman should have blown or not is immaterial, he didn't and Hathaway acted like he didn't.
Hughes let up before the whistle. That was not a hard hit, if he didn’t ease up and was properly braced he wouldn’t have gotten rocked. He was playing as lazy as the ref was. Clean shoulder to shoulder that any NHLer should have merely gotten knocked off the puck if they weren’t being lazy
@@goaltender330 I definitely agree that it wasn't a hard hit, but you still can't make that hit there. 3-4 ft from the boards is the danger area for boarding and Hathaway needs to be aware of that and adjust his hit accordingly. If you slow it down you can see that the hit is high, and I don't think Hughes was being lazy. He just thought it was going to be called icing because, I mean it WAS icing. 100% of the blame goes to the linesman for sure though
I'm blind, I'm deaf, I wanna be a ref!
You’re hired😂
Waxing poetic egh 😅
Refs covered up their own mistake of not blowing the whistle sooner by giving Hathaway a major penalty… sad
Tortorella should be pissed, he has every right to be. The whistle was egregiously tardy, Hughes assumed it was going to be blown for icing, Hathaway continued to play because he didn't hear one. Siegenthaler maybe slightly pushing Hathaway...meh. No call, I can see. 2 minute penalty, I can see. 5 and a game misconduct?? IDTS. 🤨🤨
I love your use of the word tardy. Excellent post. A+.
MORE NONSENSE. IT WAS A CHEAPSHOT
It's a clean hit by a guy that has 25lbs on the other guy. Plus, Hughes probably expected an icing call, which is on the refs.
@@dutchcanuck11exactly. That was not boarding since it was not on the numbers.
@@Theaveragejoehockeyreportboarding has nothing to do with a players #. Boarding is hitting an unsuspecting player into the boards regardless of their positioning.
It is a penalty but 5 and a game is a joke
As an avid ref fan, this has been a great season!
1:05 Refs sitting there whispering "we aren't hot mic'd right now yea? we aren't gonna get peeled for this right?"
I'm not a Flyers fan but this is absolutely horrendous. Glad Hughes is ok after this but damn.. if anything was gonna be called here, maybe 2 for roughing at most. Wow.
I've been watching and playing hockey for almost 30 years, I shouldn't be baffled by the calls made during the game at this point
Decades ago, the linesman used to put his hand up for icing immediately upon the puck being sent from the other side of the red line, and hold it there as a delayed signal until blowing a whistle if a touch-up was made. If something happened to wash out the icing he'd bring his arm down and give the washout signal and play would continue. The goalie would see the linesman with his hand up and put his glove up to let his skaters know to hurry up and chase it down to win the touch-up and that he was not going to leave his crease to handle the puck - but this was 100% based on the signal he was getting from the linesman. Now that they've switched to no-touch icing and the linesman doesn't put his hand up (pointlessly) until he blows the whistle, there's no way for the players on the ice to know that an icing call is imminent and that the should act accordingly.
Refs are to blame for any and all unnecessary injuries on this play. There is no question about it. Video in 4k HD
As a Boston fan, I’d go to war for Torts. One of the only ‘real’ coaches left in the league.
Thats not a penalty. Whistle was blown after contact was made. Keep your head up kid
It was icing lol
@@gabegib11 its only icing if the ref blows the whistle bud lol
@@gabegib11 Ummmm.... yeah.... but you play until you hear a whistle. That was the point of the hybrid icing. They didn't blow the whistle meaning that Hathaway thought the play was alive. There's literally no reason that he shouldn't have hit him. He's a star player that put himself in the position to be wrecked (Hughes) because he wasn't playing like an idiot. Always keep your head up and always play until the whistle.
Anyone with an issue against that hit is just flat out wrong. Objectively, factually, indisputably, 100% clean hit.
Wtf? So are players supposed to know when the ref intended to blow the whistle now live speed?
Intent to blow the whistle here is like intent to brake at a red light. Doesn't actually count at all and doing the job would've prevented a collision.
Furious? This was basically Torts saying hi
That wasn’t even boarding to begin with. Don’t understand how the NHL has let officiating get this bad.
Gambling
A player still needs to read the situation. Even if it wasn't icing, you have to play the puck not the body there.
Why? Learn hockey.
"Im blind, im deaf, i wanna be a ref"
I hate Torts, and I love seeing him upset. That being said, this is an awful call. Clown show refs
Torts is the best. I love when he triggers cupcakes
@@noname-x8t9zlove Torts!
@@noname-x8t9zhumpty dumpty has a YT account?
@@noname-x8t9ztbh he himself becomes triggered 9/10 times and he looks like a snowflake himself but I love his energy and how he’ll tell it like it is to the press
@@bvldrTorts isn't nearly as bad as he used to be. I hated his guts for a long time because, while I always liked and respected his no bullshit, tough as nails, no excuses old-fashioned way of coaching, his obnoxiousness took away from his character. I couldn't stand him. But he's really not much like that anymore. Look at him now compared to when he coached the Rangers. He's mellowed out a lot. That said, he had every reason to blow his top tonight and be as pissed as he was. I was right there with him.
Even after reviewing / discussing, they get it wrong. Officiating in all sports is horrendous these days.
Honestly in some cases coaches and players should be able to rant off on officials without the fear of getting fined or suspended. While they may not cost teams games, what we have seen over the years is that it's getting worse every year. This call right here helps confirm it.
Ref should be suspended for this. This was the whole point of the rule change for icing. What are we doing here?
You are taught to play until the whistle. Linesman never blew the whistle, play is live. The official created the situation. And admitted no culpability or blame. That was not a penalty and it was not a game misconduct and it certainly was not a major. And Luke should have had a match penalty for embellishment.
The officiating in the NHL is approaching a joke.
When ISN'T John Tortorella Furious?
Oh! I can answer that - Torts was very happy After his CBJ team swept Tampa Bay 2019 playoffs!
@@TheFoolintherainn Probably. For about ten minutes.
@@edvadojunk I like Torts! And I like the world's only triple gold coach- Mike Babcock.
Newer fans have no idea what goes into this game.
The passion, the crazy hormones.. you're not going to find somebody sane who wants to get bashed into the boards or have 4-in vulcanized rubber discs flying at their heads at 90 mph! Lol!
So I'll just ask fans be careful because they don't actually know what's going on behind the scenes.
Coaching hockey players is one of the most fun and toughest things a coach can do. It's a very dangerous sport. The rest of this stuff is a sideshow.
Those of us who are in locker rooms, rink ratz keep our mouths shut. Because the most of the embarrassment would go toward the players not coaches.
I can't believe how they took down Mike Babcock in a boy's gossiping hen house
Fans don't know the fact that when hockey players go over the Canadian border, border patrol can take their phones and go through them any day.
George parros in the player safety committee job is actually to monitor players behavior both on and off the ice. They could go through phones.
Canada violates "privacy rights" all the time - they don't have privacy.
So obviously these hockey fans have never gone into Canada! But they're going to take down a triple gold coach?!
It's happened to many of us driving to Alaska.
These coaches know not to expect less than the players deserve, because they will have settled for less than they expected.
The officiating in all sports has gone into the crapper.
Years ago a lot more contact,different game now!We need more good hip checks,open ice clean checks,razzle dazzle,enter at your own risk!
That is a clean hit all day. Couldn't have been more clean..... but..... because Hathaway... because it's The Flyers... and because it's a hit on a star player....... 5 minutes. NHL ref logic.
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@@Marty1930 English please.
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not here to say what the call should have been, but here is the rule in the nhl rulebook
Rule 41 - A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player who
checks or pushes a defenseless opponent in such a manner that
causes the opponent to hit or impact the boards violently or
dangerously. The severity of the penalty, based upon the impact with
the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.
There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the
application of this rule by the Referees. The onus is on the player
applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a defenseless
position and if so, he must avoid or minimize contact. However, in
determining whether such contact could have been avoided, the
circumstances of the check, including whether the opponent put
himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously
with the check or whether the check was unavoidable can be
considered. This balance must be considered by the Referees when
applying this rule.
Any unnecessary contact with a player playing the puck on an
obvious “icing” or “off-side” play which results in that player hitting or
impacting the boards is “boarding” and must be penalized as such. In
other instances where there is no contact with the boards, it should be
treated as “charging.”
Pretty sure boarding also has to be a hit from behind
@@rossrobertson674 I copied that from the NHL rulebook, makes no mention of being from behind
@@nolane3972 I just never seen a penalty for boarding when it wasn't from behind, even in the EA Sport NHL video games u only get boarding on hits from behind on the boards
@@nolane3972 I just never seen a penalty for boarding when it wasn't from behind, even in the EA Sport NHL video games u only get boarding on hits from behind on the boards
@@rossrobertson674 I've seen plenty of boarding calls take place that didn't involve hitting the player in the back.
I want to know what world the linesman was in when he thought about waiving that off. Luke had a noticeable step on both Flyers players. I don't blame him for letting up there expecting an icing.
Can't blame Hathaway for running over him either.
Boarding ??? He him from the front side !!! It was a clean hit. What a joke even with video replay they get it WRONG, what a joke man !
Hughes needs to wake up before he’s hurt bad, twice now getting fucken bundled not expecting a hit
What was there to punish Hathaway?
It's hits like that is the reason here is a no touch icing rule. The officials screwed up big time there.
thats a century too late for that whistle on the icing
Ranger fan here. No penalty in my opinion. Referee blew the call. Hathaway playing to the whistle and the whistle was blown late.
"Icing happen when the puck come down. Bang! You know, nobody there. My arm go comes up , the play stop then start up." - Denis Lemieux
Sorry?
LOL the reflection at 0:11 makes it seems like a ghost randomly appears and is wrestling with the Devils player in the scrum.
Its a boarding penalty not a roughing call after the whistle you can board somebody before during nd after the whistle this has to be flyers home announcing.
We the referees for this game have decided that instead of being accountable for our mistake of not blowing the whistle quickly enough, we’re going to deflect blame to the player for our screw up since we don’t have the emotional maturity to own our mistakes.
Minor league linesman literally blew the call.
Hathaway was penalized for “playing hockey while named Hathaway”
30 years ago that wouldn’t have even been a minor.
That's very awkward to see a former Caps pushing another former Caps into a former Wolverine when I'm a fan of both :/
That's not boarding
Where are the Bruce Hoods and John Damicos? The NHL is sure scraping the talent barrel these days. The whistle was late and this was a combination of a late whistle and an awkward fall into the boards.
Yea or a scumbag making a dirty hit knowing dam well it was gonna be icing
100% clean hit!
When did Angel Hernandez get an NHL ref job?
Hath and Torts are Beutys with real character personality not robot ol school all the way needs more of players and coaches like them !!
That's furious? Thought that was rather tame by his standards.
Tortorella should be furious at Hathaway. Hughes was vulnerable with that blind check from behind. 5min was the right call for boarding
I don’t see the issue? Hughes has got to protect himself there? He’s putting 1 hand towards to puck, he’s engaged in the play, a hit is warranted there
I don't either; it was shoulder to shoulder--a clean hit but from what I saw, I did not see an arm raised either from the referee, indicating a d-zone icing. I don't understand the call here either.
It's boarding whistle or not. Hughes heard the whistle why not Hathaway ?
Because the whistle was just after contact . Hughes was assuming that he heard a whistle
Nice to see someone else recognize the hit as boarding. Everyone else seems focused on the icing aspect of the play, they ignore where the players are in relation to the boards when contact is made.
Refreee needs a game misconduct
this call is the exact scenario with Cale Makar and Mcann in the playoffs. you cant hand out majors and ejections because you dont know how to whistle a play in time. god awful officiating in sports these days and it's rigging games.
That looked like hockey to me.
He should be in AHL until he can keep head up
1 blow the whistle, 2 pertect yourself at all times this is not PeeWee hockey, 3 because he got mmmmm hurt and fell that was the call cause he fell and looked like he got hurt, 4 refs have to realize fans come to the game to see the players and not the refs, 5fans are getting turned off because of these types of calls.
Luke Hughes scored the game winner in OT.
Yeah.... because of terrible reffing. The refs gift wrapped that game for The Devils.
he was clearly pushed, like what ?
I'm watching this with no sound. Was it icing? When did the whistle go?
After Hathaway initiates contact.
Is that not a boarding? Dangerous place relative to the boards
You ever notice how consistent well run organizations never Hire John Totarella?
Tortorella showed a lot of restraint here. He must be doing counciling and behavioral therapy.
I honestly don't even know why they have video review anymore. They get more calls wrong now than they get right it seems like.
I've watched very few well officiated games in the NHL this year. Refs have been the most pathetic I've seen in a very long time.
Torts is 100% correct on this, as are the announcers. The officials blew the call with the late whistle. They screwed up and caused the entire mess.
Normally i disagree with torts antics and coaching ability but for once i agree with torts being pissed off on the refs on this one whistle should have been blown earlier and did i not see a push from siegenthaler? Like a boarding call.... really.....
The refs and the idiots are trying to protect their star Hughs player and making a statement. All of these refs should be docked there pay for this game.
Imagine an announcer blaming the officials for a players stupidity
I'm a Devils fan and not a fan of torts or his antics. But that was the wrong call. They usually blow the whistle when the puck crosses the blue line. They suck. They sucked last year and this year they suck even more.
Luke Ends up scoring the GWG
Look Im a flyers fan, and hathaway is a bit of a goon this year; but this is the least of his goonery this season.
Another reason why this call was so bad and few people are mentioning it. The boarding call by the NHL rule book is a hit from behind. Hathaway hit him in the chest. By rule, boarding actually does not even apply.
A linesman take responsibility for their screw up and admit it? Nah, screw up harder by reviewing it and standing by the call. What a joke
a clean hit. This is not ice ballet or figure skating.
The icing call was definitely blown, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still a boarding penalty any day of the week. He didn't get boarding because it was called icing...he would have got that even if it was waved off. Boarding that results in an injury is going to be a major every time. You can, and Torts argued that it's somehow up to Hughes to protect himself, but the responsibility lies on the attacking player, not the player being fouled. That's the rule.
No it's not. LOL.
another call refs did not want to take responsibility
Not boarding. How embarrassing for these refs. And I am a Rangers fan so unbiased.
yea just like when trouba swung nd hit his stick at the detroit players head 2 days ago nd not even a penalty was called lol, nd it was an elbow to the head
@@PARTYBURGER821 You are under the impression you are able to communicate in the English language, but you are not. 😂🤷♂️
@@PropagandaBurner2 are you delusional or something lil guy?
😂🥊😆🇨🇦🇺🇸Absolutely love Torts
I love how Siegenthaler grabs Hathaway and gets all these cheap shots in right in front of the refs and nothing happens to these incompetents.
The call was BOARDING. Not a late hit. It was boarding.
Boarding is dirty, smart guy
Nice to see torts mellowed out a bit over the years
Look at the body language of the linesman after Hughes is down. He knows.
istn that the same ref from the Bills-Eagles game?
Players don't know how to protect themselves along the boards anymore.
That's a b******* penalty considering he was pushed into the player.
this was a clean hit, such a terrible call
Icing is a rule dumbass