This is quite saddening, Thomas busses are the only reliable bus in the industries, safest, and can actually accelerate. Ive passed this video on to our transportation mechanics and all of our c2’s, hdx’s, and older fs-65’s are being inspected as we speak. Ive also sent this to our bus local bus store and ESC. Thank you for finding this, all c2s run great in our district from our 2018 c2s to our 2013 c2s.
This is scary. The electrical designer must have been drunk to manufacture them with the 12v outlet tied into the ignition fuse. Edit: This issue has resulted in a recall Daimler Trucks North America number FL-804.
Andy's Shop my question is how to fix? Can a modification be done on our own to give access ports their own fuses for this particular bus so we can solve the problem ourselves in the interim?
Wow....that's crazy.....good info......but future reference.........no need for all the theatrics......have your camera ready and get straight to the problem and the fix.....oh and get some self adhesive velcro in that gopro case to stop the camera issues...👍😁
I rode a 2010 IC bus or 2010 bluebird vision when I was in high school. I like IC buses because they are solid and are the gold standard for school buses at the expense of ride quality unless the district pays extra for air suspension.
I toured both the ic and bluebird plants and was not impressed with their outdated mechanicals. Also their use of stem bolts I did not find desirable. Seems that the bus makers are just in a race to push out mass transportation as cheep as possible. Unfortunately it’s going to be at the expensive of are children’s safety. Thanks for watching and the comment.
WOW! I drive for a rural district in Arkansas. Currently we have 3, maybe 4 2018's being used. We also have 5 2017's on the road too. I will be sure to pass this info on to our mechanics (maybe they already know). I hope that Thomas takes care of this. On a side note, I drove one of the 18's last year to Memphis, and the power port was not working. It is possible that the dealer that sold us our buses was aware of this problem, and had already disabled them before delivery. At any rate, thanks for putting this info out there.
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Welcome to North Carolina, where we're restricted. We don't got speakers, a strobe switch (legally has to be on at all times), and no option to turn off headlights while running.
I ride the 2016 Thomas C2 and the USB Power Port works fine, no problems. My Bus Driver charged her phone with it one time and the bus was fine. This must only be a flaw for the 2019 C2.
The Solution he states is very true and quite common sense. He says the power access ports aka cigerette lighter or whatever you can plug your shit into, power access ports should have their own fuses. Period. Their own fuses. They shouldn't be sharing fuses especially the power ignition fuse. Why would a designer be ok with that? Perhaps it's because a designer is a desginer and a mechanic is a mechanic... Perhaps Designers should have their designs reviewed by mechanics like Dave here before the design goes all the through to manufacturing. I have no executive company chairman experience but if it was my company that I owned, that's what I would do. So yea. Very very smart guy. Nice catch ^_^
I ride a Thomas C2 (to school). This is probably completely unrelated, but on my bus, the pneumatic door started working weird. It wouldn't shut tight and we were going down the road with the door slightly open, and it swung all the way open when the bus took a left turn. Most likely just normal dust in the pneumatic system, but i wonder after seeing this video. (don't know exact model year, I estimate 2012-2015)
This is why I hate Thomas busses, they ride like crap, and squeak when they are driven, as well as ridiculous problems like this. I would much rather drive or ride a Blue Bird or a Navistar.
Well. My school district has 2018 and 2019 C2s. So this could happen with our busses. But the district uses BlueBirds All Americans and Thomas HDXs for sporting event
Did you report this to NHTSA? I think it's worth a try to get the Thomas C2 recalled or at least have every operator of the Thomas C2 aware of this problem.
Interesting. I’ve worked around Thomas’ buses for years and have never seen this before. That outlet is more likely an add on right after the bus was built(as it is an option) so my guess is they were routing it poorly which is what caused this... however I don’t understand how this just came about, it’s not like the design of that bus is “new”. Our new HDXs don’t have that problem
I’ll have to check mine out to see if I can duplicate this. FYI , the 5 amp fuse in the side comp isn’t for the aux power port, it’s for the optional accessory power access block with 4 ign and 4 batt power.
Dave Exline Exactly! Our bus company has about 90 buses at five different school districts. I’d estimate about 75-85 are C2 Saf-T-Liners. Our district itself has about 24 of those in which 5 are not C2 Saf-T-Liners. The other 17 are route buses with 2 being activity/spare buses. So there is a very large potential for something to happen. The 17 route buses and 2 activity/spare buses are 2017 models so maybe that flaw didn’t affect those but as you said, who knows how long this has continued? And there might be a possibility that this has happened before but they didn’t report it to Thomas or Thomas didn’t make a big deal of it. Otherwise I love these buses, in my opinion they are better than the IC CE’s.
Dave Exline My only reasoning I’d see as to why this is suddenly happening is possibly because when that law came out requiring all vehicle manufacturers to put camera systems on the vehicle. And when Thomas redesign the schematics of the wiring, something went undetected there? Because I’m pretty sure Thomas started making their 360 camera view system standard in 2018 models.
Hi Dave, I have a 2012 C2.. I bought it and converted it over to a food truck, i had the this happen to me and live on windy roads and about drove off. I’m weeks away from my inspection, I already quit my job with Tyson and have gone through all funding, on top of been a single mom of 2. I don’t wanna hurt myself or anyone else and get up running again! Can you educate me, or anyone else reading this PLEASE educate me on this! Thank you
Powerport fuse in my 2019 is an inline fuse behind the kick plate. I can see yours there too. Check amp ratings on those fuses. My blows the inline fuse every time.
@@treasurehuntwithcaptaindav2674 I test both I have on the lot a 2018 and a 2019. Both blew the fuse in the kick plate. That fuse is a 7.5 amp fuse. I put a 10 amp fuse back in on both of buses and retested and they DID in fact blow the engine fuse under the hood. That does happen to also be a 10 amp. With the correct fuses in place 7.5 amp in kick plate and 10 amp for engine under hood things are good on mine. We will see if a recall came's out. Thank you Sir for the heads up.
Once again... Thomas fails with it's poor electrical design! I drove a 2010 and you couldn't look at it without blowing a fuse, shorting a wire, or a wire coming loose!
This is for sure the truth we have a 2008 that always blows a ten amp fuse under the hood the problem is it does blow it rather it cracks it and causes a limp mode issue that comes and goes till you replace the fuse, we were told it is because the harnass was strung to tight
This is why I always turn to international when it comes to school buses, I find Thomas built buses don’t do a very good job making school buses. If they run good for a little while their quality goes downhill very quickly after the first problem
show this video to Frontier Central School who is going back to C2's after 3 years with international CE's, now which is worse a bus that shuts down instantly or engines that break down
@@treasurehuntwithcaptaindav2674 My district which is Frontier Central got thomas almost their whole life , we got fs-65's up until 2006 which is when they ended production, had no choice but to get the C2. Let me tell you if the first C2's we got broke down alot like our IC's do now, we would've been done with Thomas forever, permanently switch to international or bluebird, and let me tell you I rather my district get bluebird, the visions are probably better then these ugly pieces of s***
@@treasurehuntwithcaptaindav2674 your welcome we don't have to worry about that tho we disconnect charger ports on buses unless it's an activity buses because dpi says that no charger what so ever needs to be on a school bus but thank you I think we have one 2018 C2 but I will let my boss know
What would cause a 2006 Thomas bus to shut down the diesel when the light switch is turned on? It turns over but doesn’t start. The check engine light has then comes on. Haven’t checked the code yet but this was an unsolved mystery with the school district
Wow sounds like a head scratcher. I wouldn’t think the light switch would interrupt the diesel flow, but stranger things have happened. If it was me, I would follow up on the codes.
TREASURE HUNT WITH CAPTAIN DAVEMAN I just noticed the gauges do not cycle through one the key is turned on. Possibly a fuse is the culprit but I have just started getting acquainted with this beast. It rained the night before and I noticed water inside the bus. It looked like the windows were leaking. My issue now is finding all fuses that are tied into starting and running the bus. Thanks for any help! Will check codes once I learn the procedure. Thanks again!
@@petrokrasnov2967 first thing you should do is clean and tighten all battery connections. Even though the starter is engaging I seen bad loss connections do things like you described.
TREASURE HUNT WITH CAPTAIN DAVEMAN okay! Sound like a plan. It’s suppose to rain again starting tonight so I will attempt that in sunlight! Thank you Sir!! 👍🏻🙌🏻
This is quite saddening, Thomas busses are the only reliable bus in the industries, safest, and can actually accelerate. Ive passed this video on to our transportation mechanics and all of our c2’s, hdx’s, and older fs-65’s are being inspected as we speak. Ive also sent this to our bus local bus store and ESC. Thank you for finding this, all c2s run great in our district from our 2018 c2s to our 2013 c2s.
This is scary. The electrical designer must have been drunk to manufacture them with the 12v outlet tied into the ignition fuse.
Edit: This issue has resulted in a recall Daimler Trucks North America number FL-804.
Andy's Shop my question is how to fix? Can a modification be done on our own to give access ports their own fuses for this particular bus so we can solve the problem ourselves in the interim?
@@DylanBegazo Daimler north america has recalled all involved busses, the dealers have found a way to re wire it obviously
Wow....that's crazy.....good info......but future reference.........no need for all the theatrics......have your camera ready and get straight to the problem and the fix.....oh and get some self adhesive velcro in that gopro case to stop the camera issues...👍😁
I rode a 2010 IC bus or 2010 bluebird vision when I was in high school. I like IC buses because they are solid and are the gold standard for school buses at the expense of ride quality unless the district pays extra for air suspension.
I toured both the ic and bluebird plants and was not impressed with their outdated mechanicals. Also their use of stem bolts I did not find desirable. Seems that the bus makers are just in a race to push out mass transportation as cheep as possible. Unfortunately it’s going to be at the expensive of are children’s safety. Thanks for watching and the comment.
WOW! I drive for a rural district in Arkansas. Currently we have 3, maybe 4 2018's being used. We also have 5 2017's on the road too. I will be sure to pass this info on to our mechanics (maybe they already know). I hope that Thomas takes care of this. On a side note, I drove one of the 18's last year to Memphis, and the power port was not working. It is possible that the dealer that sold us our buses was aware of this problem, and had already disabled them before delivery. At any rate, thanks for putting this info out there.
Thomas recalled it
Another great video of your fantastic channel. I really enjoyed each and every one.
You have a wonderful channel! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year in advance!
Wow man thanks for figuring that out!! What a terrible design flaw...
I never thought Thomas built would not notice especially since there one of the most reliable manufacturers
Interesting video. Thank you for sharing this so people/districts would be aware of this extremely un-safe flaw.
It’s impressive that you caught this issue!
You probably saved many Jonnie’s from getting into an accident..
Welcome to North Carolina, where we're restricted. We don't got speakers, a strobe switch (legally has to be on at all times), and no option to turn off headlights while running.
What about the 2017 c2s?? My district in Edison nj has them. They run perfectly......but that?? Thomas built has a lot of work to do.
I ride the 2016 Thomas C2 and the USB Power Port works fine, no problems. My Bus Driver charged her phone with it one time and the bus was fine. This must only be a flaw for the 2019 C2.
The charger malfunctioned. But it should not have taken the hole bus out.
@@treasurehuntwithcaptaindav2674 Oh. I get it now.
The Solution he states is very true and quite common sense. He says the power access ports aka cigerette lighter or whatever you can plug your shit into, power access ports should have their own fuses. Period. Their own fuses. They shouldn't be sharing fuses especially the power ignition fuse. Why would a designer be ok with that? Perhaps it's because a designer is a desginer and a mechanic is a mechanic... Perhaps Designers should have their designs reviewed by mechanics like Dave here before the design goes all the through to manufacturing. I have no executive company chairman experience but if it was my company that I owned, that's what I would do. So yea. Very very smart guy. Nice catch ^_^
I ride a Thomas C2 (to school). This is probably completely unrelated, but on my bus, the pneumatic door started working weird. It wouldn't shut tight and we were going down the road with the door slightly open, and it swung all the way open when the bus took a left turn. Most likely just normal dust in the pneumatic system, but i wonder after seeing this video.
(don't know exact model year, I estimate 2012-2015)
This is why I hate Thomas busses, they ride like crap, and squeak when they are driven, as well as ridiculous problems like this. I would much rather drive or ride a Blue Bird or a Navistar.
thank god I ride on an Thomas saf-t-y liner c2 from 2008
I hope your 2019 c2's got fixed.
Yes they did. But the big question is, did they fix all of them?
@@treasurehuntwithcaptaindav2674 We might have to find out soon...
Well. My school district has 2018 and 2019 C2s. So this could happen with our busses. But the district uses BlueBirds All Americans and Thomas HDXs for sporting event
Did you report this to NHTSA? I think it's worth a try to get the Thomas C2 recalled or at least have every operator of the Thomas C2 aware of this problem.
Here's one place that you can do it; www-odi.nhtsa. dot. gov/VehicleComplaint/ .
Interesting. I’ve worked around Thomas’ buses for years and have never seen this before. That outlet is more likely an add on right after the bus was built(as it is an option) so my guess is they were routing it poorly which is what caused this... however I don’t understand how this just came about, it’s not like the design of that bus is “new”. Our new HDXs don’t have that problem
Scary.
I’m actually glad I don’t ride a C2 now. Now I see why my district never bought any more after 2016.
Thank you posting this video!
Do you guys still have this bus and is the power port still tripping the main ignition fuse?
They came out and fixed all them. Thomas said they were going to do a recall.
I’ll have to check mine out to see if I can duplicate this. FYI , the 5 amp fuse in the side comp isn’t for the aux power port, it’s for the optional accessory power access block with 4 ign and 4 batt power.
I checked my 2018 built units and they have this issue. Checked a 17,16,15 and and they did not.
I’ve passed this onto our bus depot branch. I hope they passed it onto the main office.
Dave Exline Exactly! Our bus company has about 90 buses at five different school districts. I’d estimate about 75-85 are C2 Saf-T-Liners. Our district itself has about 24 of those in which 5 are not C2 Saf-T-Liners. The other 17 are route buses with 2 being activity/spare buses. So there is a very large potential for something to happen. The 17 route buses and 2 activity/spare buses are 2017 models so maybe that flaw didn’t affect those but as you said, who knows how long this has continued? And there might be a possibility that this has happened before but they didn’t report it to Thomas or Thomas didn’t make a big deal of it. Otherwise I love these buses, in my opinion they are better than the IC CE’s.
Dave Exline My only reasoning I’d see as to why this is suddenly happening is possibly because when that law came out requiring all vehicle manufacturers to put camera systems on the vehicle. And when Thomas redesign the schematics of the wiring, something went undetected there? Because I’m pretty sure Thomas started making their 360 camera view system standard in 2018 models.
Hi Dave, I have a 2012 C2.. I bought it and converted it over to a food truck, i had the this happen to me and live on windy roads and about drove off. I’m weeks away from my inspection, I already quit my job with Tyson and have gone through all funding, on top of been a single mom of 2. I don’t wanna hurt myself or anyone else and get up running again! Can you educate me, or anyone else reading this PLEASE educate me on this! Thank you
Powerport fuse in my 2019 is an inline fuse behind the kick plate. I can see yours there too. Check amp ratings on those fuses. My blows the inline fuse every time.
@@treasurehuntwithcaptaindav2674 I test both I have on the lot a 2018 and a 2019. Both blew the fuse in the kick plate. That fuse is a 7.5 amp fuse. I put a 10 amp fuse back in on both of buses and retested and they DID in fact blow the engine fuse under the hood. That does happen to also be a 10 amp. With the correct fuses in place 7.5 amp in kick plate and 10 amp for engine under hood things are good on mine. We will see if a recall came's out. Thank you Sir for the heads up.
Once again... Thomas fails with it's poor electrical design! I drove a 2010 and you couldn't look at it without blowing a fuse, shorting a wire, or a wire coming loose!
IT'S A SHAME FOR SURE...
It’s a Daimler Benz problem. 2005-2008 Thomas C2s with the five nine cummins are awesome though.
@@davidperry4013 never seen one in person with the 5.9. All of our C2s are garbage. I generally don’t like them.
This is for sure the truth we have a 2008 that always blows a ten amp fuse under the hood the problem is it does blow it rather it cracks it and causes a limp mode issue that comes and goes till you replace the fuse, we were told it is because the harnass was strung to tight
This is why I always turn to international when it comes to school buses, I find Thomas built buses don’t do a very good job making school buses. If they run good for a little while their quality goes downhill very quickly after the first problem
show this video to Frontier Central School who is going back to C2's after 3 years with international CE's, now which is worse a bus that shuts down instantly or engines that break down
@@treasurehuntwithcaptaindav2674 My district which is Frontier Central got thomas almost their whole life , we got fs-65's up until 2006 which is when they ended production, had no choice but to get the C2. Let me tell you if the first C2's we got broke down alot like our IC's do now, we would've been done with Thomas forever, permanently switch to international or bluebird, and let me tell you I rather my district get bluebird, the visions are probably better then these ugly pieces of s***
Me when seeing the title:WHY ARE MY KIDS AT RICK'S PLACE?
Me when watching:OHHHHHHHHHHHHH
what about the 2014 thomas saf-t-liner hdx?
I rode one in eighth grade!
It affects similar models.
The school district I work for we got a email from the president of Carolina Thomas and they told us about this defect we got 3 2019 buses
@@treasurehuntwithcaptaindav2674 your welcome we don't have to worry about that tho we disconnect charger ports on buses unless it's an activity buses because dpi says that no charger what so ever needs to be on a school bus but thank you I think we have one 2018 C2 but I will let my boss know
I have a question when you opened the kick panel I saw a fuse link cap in line wire is that maybe what the rep was talking about
Yes it was. But the fuses would not blow.
What would cause a 2006 Thomas bus to shut down the diesel when the light switch is turned on? It turns over but doesn’t start. The check engine light has then comes on. Haven’t checked the code yet but this was an unsolved mystery with the school district
Wow sounds like a head scratcher. I wouldn’t think the light switch would interrupt the diesel flow, but stranger things have happened. If it was me, I would follow up on the codes.
TREASURE HUNT WITH CAPTAIN DAVEMAN I just noticed the gauges do not cycle through one the key is turned on. Possibly a fuse is the culprit but I have just started getting acquainted with this beast. It rained the night before and I noticed water inside the bus. It looked like the windows were leaking. My issue now is finding all fuses that are tied into starting and running the bus. Thanks for any help! Will check codes once I learn the procedure. Thanks again!
@@petrokrasnov2967 first thing you should do is clean and tighten all battery connections. Even though the starter is engaging I seen bad loss connections do things like you described.
TREASURE HUNT WITH CAPTAIN DAVEMAN okay! Sound like a plan. It’s suppose to rain again starting tonight so I will attempt that in sunlight! Thank you Sir!! 👍🏻🙌🏻
@@petrokrasnov2967 also check the voltage of the batteries.
Could clearly see another fuse in the kick panel not saying that means much..
Yes it’s too bad that fuse doesn’t blow.
I told people that Thomas Saf-T-Liner C2's Suck
Also how does everyone else not notice it
Was this all bus or just 2019
Dave Exline hopefully they fix it did they fix the one your working on
this is not saf-t-liner
I would recommend getting IC bus. They have the best busses
That's not tru they have there ups and downs like every thing
@@ridelineit To be honest. At this point anything is better then a C2.
@@schoolbusguy4554 yes. I have lost most of my respect for Thomas C2’s.
Hey i was wondering if there is anyway i can ask you a few questions like email you perhaps?