My wife and I went to a "dude ranch" while in Texas. The cowboy preparing the horses asked if she wanted a Western or English saddle, and she asked what the difference was. He told her one had a horn and one didn't. She replied, "The one without the horn is fine. I don't expect we'll run into too much traffic."
One of the funniest things I've seen, are Westerns placed pre Civil War, with Winchester 92s and Colt SAA 1873s as the arms of choice for everyone. It just cracks me up, the complete lack of care for history.
I watched a documentary about the invention of the Henry repeating rifle. It showed an encounter between a group of Texas Rangers and Native Americans before the rifle was designed. The rangers were carrying Winchester rifles, and they were miming muzzleloader reloading between their shots.
I hope the Lonesome Dove series is mentioned next! The prequels are filled with cameos from people like the Parker family, Charlie Goodnight, Joel Glanton, and so many more!
I just watched The Alamo a couple of weeks ago. I really enjoy your videos they're just over too soon. Thanks for all the hard work that you do and bringing this to us every Saturday morning. 🤠
I like how Tombstone had a scene of the Earps chowing down on Chinese food, as it had already become extremely popular in the US at the time. That's right, cowboys liked takeout lo mein too.
Probably the biggest inaccuracy in Westerns is that none of the denizens of the Old West were anywhere near as attractive as the actors who portrayed them. But you gotta sell tickets. 😀
@@Jim-Mc I warn against using the word "never" when talking history. There are easilly searchable photos of very attractive women in the west. Some were prostitutes (Daphne from the town of Tombstone for instance).
Perhaps some of the '30s western accuracy was due to availability of actual pieces from that time, and recollections of some old timers who actually lived in that era.
Second that. Meanwhile later generations had less access to that sort of thing and before the internet research would have been a bit more involved than a quick little google search.
Good afternoon Santee, I really enjoyed that thanks,.Its always interesting how much real history movies use and how much over dramatic events they add for crowd immersion. Have an amazing rest of the week.
By watching in order, RIDE WITH THE DEVIL, THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES and THE LONG RIDERS, a fairly accurate historical picture is created of the "Bleeding Kansas Redlegs / Southern Bushwhacker" era , covering the Pre-During-and-Post Civil War. All three are SUPERB movies, accurately depicting the changing life cycles of the men involved. In JOSEY WALES, a pair of Dragoon Colt .44's would be more historically accurate and likely than a pair of Walker Colt .44's, but that's a VERY minor quibble!
The 3:10 to Yuma Remake is another one of my favorites for period correct. You have to give it to a movie that went out of its way to find a Spencer or Bannerman Shotgun instead of using an 1897 Winchester
Thanks Santee for another great vid, every Saturday afternoon ( when I see it here in wales ) i really look forward to learning something new and interesting!! Keep 'em coming! 🤠
My mother-in-law once did a lengthy presentation for a local historical society on the accuracies (and several inaccuracies) of Tombstone, and I learned a LOT from her. As a follow-up to this, I'd love to see a video on some of the most egragious inaccuraicies. (I once had a blog and did a multi-part series on the travesty that was the "History" Channel's Texas Rising.)
Sadly, they are all inaccurate to a degree. Movies like Tombstone, Hostiles, Dances With Wolves and some others get so much right and set the bar higher for newer movies. I'll be talking about Horizon this Saturday but will probably do Tombstone at some point.
I would like to cast my vote for 1997's "Rough Riders." Looks great, Tom Beringer as Teddy Roosevelt, and Gary Busey, Brian Keith, Brad Johnson and Sam Elliott as Bucky O'Neill.
I think what most people don't understand is that they wouldn't like a 100% historically accurate western dramatic film. That's called a documentary. The key to enjoyment imo is a balance between history and cinema. Tombstone 1993 strikes the balance very well. The basic true story is there but some legend is included, event time lines are compressed and many interpersonal conversations are invented with an excellent script that make it a very entertaining movie. I agree with you 100% on 2007 Jesse James film. It was very accurate, slow moving but enjoyable for understanding some profound facts about James' demise.
I agree with ya. We want Hollywood to be entertaining and historically accurate, but that can't always happen together. The shootout at the OK Corral is a good example. Quick, smokey, close. Not good for film.
My mom never saw Tombstone which was a crying shame as she LOVED Westerns...but as I've mentioned on this channel before, my maternal grandma saw it on TV and adored it, she would watch it whenever it would come on. She watched it so much that the year before she died I got her the Director's Cut of the movie. My Aunt (my maternal grandmother's sister) watches almost exclusively westerns. It may not be historically accurate OR a movie but I fondly remember watching a Western game show with my mother back in the day. It was called Wilde West Showdown...think American Gladiators but with a Wild West theme and events based around Western movie things, mom loved it and luckily some fella actually got all the episodes together so you can watch the whole series on this site...thought the dang thing was lost forever since back then folks didn't think of keeping stuff like that around to sell as collections later for fans and most folks don't even know about the old show.
For all it's faults, the Young Guns films are a personal favorite because they did away with a long standing pet peeve of mine; belt loops instead of suspenders.
The Ballad of Gregorio Cortez takes place at the beginning of the 20th century, but the depiction of frontier Texas life is pretty gritty, not to mention the fact that most of the film takes place out in the wilderness makes for a compelling film.
Great video, I'm glad that Tombstone is seen as being relatively accurate, one of my favorite films. I can't wait to hear if The Big Trail (1930) makes the cut for accuracy.
I always thought that The Outlaw Josey Wales is an accurate movie with the use of black powder firearms and a lot of the realities of the frontier as well as the guerilla style fighting Josey used and was needed for fighting not just the Comanche but the Yankees who were after him. Even though it's technically a mini series Lonesome Dove also does great with the hardships and horrors of the frontier and accurately portraying the lifestyle. Overall great video I always enjoy your content, please keep them coming.
Very Cool Episode. I’ll be looking forward to seeing that museum when we come back down for piggies. Maybe even Coues Deer, should we draw. Anyway, still, I love all the magic of Old Tucson. One of my most favorite places to visit.
I am spending a lot of time at the moment watching old Westerns. I can see why my Grandmother liked Randolph Scott. I think you are right to cut directors some slack on accuracy as long as the film is entertaining. I frequently look up characters from films to see if they really existed and what they were really like. Your posts inform much of my viewing. Pity there isn't a, "Ghost Riders of the Caribbean " for my next favourite genre.😂 😎🏴
Yèeehawww. Saturday with Santee. Thanks for once again making Saturday morning enjoyable. Just like when I was a kid and rushed through my Saturday morning chores so I could plant my butt in front of the tv and catch my celluloid heroes.
Thank you for the effort. The frontier was so stark and hardscrabble that I doubt modern audiences would pay hard earned good money to watch such reality as escapism. Despite historic blunders, westerns including all of the international ones should be simply as dress up fantasy story telling. Even when dinosaurs jot across the screen.
My all time favorite western is "Shane," saw in in the theater when it was first released and I was 8 years old, so I relate most with the kid. I think it was the 3rd DVD I bought. Once I checked the book out of the library then watched the movie, read the book, then watched it again. In the book the kid was I think named Bob instead of Joey, and Shane wore black instead of buckskins. What amazed me most is that sometimes the dialog in the movie is exactly the same as the book; but it is said by a different character---and it worked both ways. Don't know why I did not think of it, but when I read the book I realized the kid was the only one who saw Shane arrive, and the only one who saw him leave.
Recently watched a movie called Red Sun starring Toshiro Mifune and Charles Bronson. Loved it. On a separate note, I'm wondering if there will be any videos regarding the military of the Old West (1st United States Sharpshooters, Cavalry, etc.). I remember seeing a video about military veterans during that time.
Well on the opposite side some particular examples of stuff that is period incorrect include in Unforgiven set in 1881(Garfield assassination in the news) little Bill asking for.30-30 ammo when the posse is getting supplies (caliber not invented till 1890s) A Russian Galand revolver (invented 1870)is among the revolvers in the gun shop in the Good, The Bad, and The Ugly set during the US Civil War
Authenticlyicly very much good awesome episode thar, Pard. Sorry to see Bill got blowed up with John Wayne. Keep up the great work! Cannot wait fer more!
Hi Santee, great topic this week. I guess Tombstone would be my favorite and close enough to period correct. Have you seen Old Henry Santee? I thought that was well done. And same with the Unforgiven. Santee how about a video about how they made their own cartridges and the tools they carried for that? Thanks for all your hard work and time Sir. You are appreciated!🤠🇺🇲
As mentioned in another comment, Unforgiven has Little Bill mention 30-30 rounds, not invented until 1895, fourteen years after the setting. Old Henry is a great film, that I consider the real sequel to Young Guns, rather than II.
@@ArizonaGhostriders I just started hand reloading myself. Got a couple Lee Classic sets, 45 Colt and 45-70 for my new Sharps Long Range Rifle. It's a fun pain in the arse.
"Paint Your Wagon" really gets the California Gold Rush about as "period correct" as I've ever seen! The movie is also hilarious and has some great songs. Yes, that's right, "Paint Your Wagon" is not only an Epic rendition of the Gold Rush, it does it as a comedic musical! And Lee Marvin as the "former Mountain-Man-turned-gold-seeker-and-professional-drunk" is too GOOD to be missed. Add a passing Mormon who decides to divorce one of his wives at the Mining Camp, in the legal vacuum of a lawless frontier territory, and you get the insane hilarity of the miners deciding that since only mining law is available, that the divorced Mormon wife can be considered an "abandoned claim"! Sam Clemens (AKA Mark Twain), spent the years of 1861-1864 in Nevada Territory, at Virginia City, during the "Flush Times' of the great Comstock Lode silver strike. In 1872, Twain wrote a great book about those times, ROUGHING IT, and Twain's wonderful description of how crazy Virginia City was in those years, makes the antics in "Paint Your Wagon" seem normal for a "Wild West Mining Camp"!
Very intrestingly awsome and intrestingly informative video, I really liked and enjoyrd it, I got a lot of inspiration for my old west frontier, retro 50s to early-mid 2000s eras, video games and esoteric,mysticism, Jungian,metaphysical,occult sciences ,spiritual sciences and mythoPoetic philosophies as well as jungian psychology and psychoSpiritual and alchemical psychology and philosophy inspired writing projects. I learned alot about authentic western cinema of the old west frontier. Great job, well done and keep up the great work. In my writing projects and world there are a few old west frontier places tgat are Tabbantha Isle, Hatena Woodland Township and the abandoned historic frontier town of Kaka'Rico Townshed.
@@ArizonaGhostriders your welcome. Today I,m getting further inspiration from my other research topics on spiritual sciences, occult sciences, jungian and alchemical psychology, esoteric, mysticism,metaphysical, mythoPoetic, psychoSpiritual,the imaginal realm and mythological philosophical thought and philosophies as well as the retro 50s to early -mid 2000s and history of retro video games ,toys and cartoon shows-video game tie ins.
Santee, Thank you very much for the great Old west content. My favorite Westerns are Tombstone and Lonesome Dove. How does Red River 1948 stack up to getting it period correct? You and Mrs. Pew Pew have a beautiful and blessed weekend. LORD GOD Bless and stay vigilant.
"Dude, what the hell!" 😂😂. I laughed hard at that one. One of my peeves in movies is when you see someone fall, or crawl or something, and you see brand spanking new soles. So new they aren’t even dirty yet. Once I saw a Viking with Vibran soles. 🙄. Something like the sole of a boot is very very often forgotten about by wardrobe people.
'Will Penny' (1967) looked authentic, nothing overstated, repaired clothing & an unusual mix of period accurate firearms, which was probably more true to life than we see in a lot of westerns where they all have fancy rigs & Colt peacemakers. "Tom Horn' (1980) depicted a pretty accurate vision of the early 20th century west.
Howdy Santee!! Another great video!👍👍 I'd always wondered (until I started following Arizona Ghostriders😁) just how accurate/inaccurate Hollywood is when it comes to clothes/saddles/firearms in Western movies.
Lee Marvin Monte Walsh.is a favorite. Italians brought correct period firearms into use especially navy colts and 66 Winchesters. Still a movie is a movie. Every gun in The Searchers is wrong but it's still a great great movie
@@ArizonaGhostriders , hmm I know there were some that got caught up in the Lincoln county war, and of course the Mormon pioneers. I know a lot of em were awfully tough.
Good one ! The thing they all get wrong is that mounted cav. Troops where 140lb to keep the horses from being too played out ! BTW I'm not a stitch counter just a cap gun kid ...
@@ArizonaGhostriders well I'm sure it helped that short people were more common back in the day. It's going to be easier to find a 5'6" person that weighs 140 than a 6 footer
I believe my favorite would be the North Field raid part of the Long Riders. I don't know how historically correct it was,but the slow motion action of bullets ripping through flesh, would certainly make someone think twice about pulling off a bank heist.
Nice one, Santee. There's so much BS in so many Western movies, especially ones that are supposedly "based on a true story" that it's easy to write off _all_ Westerns as pure fantasy. Not that there's anything wrong with pure fantasy, _per se,_ _Beowulf, La Morte D'Arthur, Star Wars_ (in its original form) are all pure fantasy, but are worthwhile stories. It's when filmmakers claim to merely be recounting history and get it all wrong due to laziness or "artistic license" _(My Darling Clementine, Heaven's Gate_ and myriad others, on and on _ad nauseum)_ that -really pisses me off- really disappoints me.
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My wife and I went to a "dude ranch" while in Texas.
The cowboy preparing the horses asked if she wanted a Western or English saddle, and she asked what the difference was.
He told her one had a horn and one didn't.
She replied, "The one without the horn is fine. I don't expect we'll run into too much traffic."
HAHA!
Don't stay out late. She'll want to know where lights are.
Oh, that can't be true!
Now THAT is funny!!!🤣🤣
Even if it isn't true!!! (but ya never know with them city slickers......😁)
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I'm pretty sure "Blazing Saddles" is pretty accurate. I heard the Old West was full of Heddy Lamar references.
HAHA!
Hedley
Yes, HEDLEY!!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@toddwebb7521 Beat me to it!
I'd argue "Don't touch the white woman" is much more accurate
Appaloosa is another good one for historically accurate costumes and gunfights
True, they did do pretty great on that. Some of the hats were off, but still well done.
One of the funniest things I've seen, are Westerns placed pre Civil War, with Winchester 92s and Colt SAA 1873s as the arms of choice for everyone. It just cracks me up, the complete lack of care for history.
Yep.
The *Comancheros* is a good example. Terrific movie, but every weapon is a breech loading repeater. Numerous other anachronisms as well.
Still some if them are very good. You just have to suspend your disbelief for an hour or two.
I watched a documentary about the invention of the Henry repeating rifle. It showed an encounter between a group of Texas Rangers and Native Americans before the rifle was designed. The rangers were carrying Winchester rifles, and they were miming muzzleloader reloading between their shots.
every john wayne western
I remember watching Shane for the first time. The build up to the gunfight was such that when it finally happened the sound of the gun made me jump.
I had to lower it a lot in the video!
Shane is one of my favorite movies of all time.
Looking forward to Part 2 Santee.
OK!
Your videos are terrific, but they are too short! You have truly mastered the old adage, always leave 'em wanting more.
Thank You!
I hope the Lonesome Dove series is mentioned next! The prequels are filled with cameos from people like the Parker family, Charlie Goodnight, Joel Glanton, and so many more!
Great book series.
I just watched The Alamo a couple of weeks ago. I really enjoy your videos they're just over too soon. Thanks for all the hard work that you do and bringing this to us every Saturday morning. 🤠
Awesome! Thank you!
I like how Tombstone had a scene of the Earps chowing down on Chinese food, as it had already become extremely popular in the US at the time. That's right, cowboys liked takeout lo mein too.
They did. There's also a scene in Deadwood where Jack McCall eats some.
Where the old West is concerned, most movies will always have some sort of inaccuracies, but Cowboy vs. Aliens is spot on😅
I always thought the plot without the aliens would actually work well. An outlaw leader with memory loss...!
The Last Hunt. About a buffalo hunt is a good old west story.
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Probably the biggest inaccuracy in Westerns is that none of the denizens of the Old West were anywhere near as attractive as the actors who portrayed them. But you gotta sell tickets. 😀
Yep
Diane Lane in Lonesome Dove for instance. You never see a picture of anyone of her profession in the West looking anything like her.
@@Jim-Mc I warn against using the word "never" when talking history. There are easilly searchable photos of very attractive women in the west. Some were prostitutes (Daphne from the town of Tombstone for instance).
One thing I like about history is how things can change with time from the clothing, dialect, and how the home and enviorments look.
Yes!
Saturday morn'n, coffee ☕, and the Ghostriders.
Another fine glimpse into the world of Westerns and Hollywood 🎬🎥
Thank You!
Looking forward to the next group of films.
Thank You!
Great video, always looking for new westerns to watch and found a couple here I have not seen. Looking forward to part 2.
Thank You!
Perhaps some of the '30s western accuracy was due to availability of actual pieces from that time, and recollections of some old timers who actually lived in that era.
Second that. Meanwhile later generations had less access to that sort of thing and before the internet research would have been a bit more involved than a quick little google search.
Yeah, many of those cowboys grew up in the tail end of the era and knew about the clothes and the mannerisms.
The Big Trail was surprisingly good as far as I could tell. I also was impressed with Ride with the Devil.
The way you interact the humor at points is great.
Why, thank you.
Good afternoon Santee, I really enjoyed that thanks,.Its always interesting how much real history movies use and how much over dramatic events they add for crowd immersion.
Have an amazing rest of the week.
Glad you enjoyed it
Ride With the Devil with Toby McGuire, The Outlaw Josey Wales, and a transitional Western (early 1900's) Old Henry would be three of my picks.
Good choices. These are great films that hit on a lot of levels
By watching in order, RIDE WITH THE DEVIL, THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES and THE LONG RIDERS, a fairly accurate historical picture is created of the "Bleeding Kansas Redlegs / Southern Bushwhacker" era , covering the Pre-During-and-Post Civil War. All three are SUPERB movies, accurately depicting the changing life cycles of the men involved. In JOSEY WALES, a pair of Dragoon Colt .44's would be more historically accurate and likely than a pair of Walker Colt .44's, but that's a VERY minor quibble!
Very good choices. 'Ride with the Devil' is one of the best Civil war films ever along with 'Glory'.
The 3:10 to Yuma Remake is another one of my favorites for period correct. You have to give it to a movie that went out of its way to find a Spencer or Bannerman Shotgun instead of using an 1897 Winchester
Yeah, they had some good moments. The sparking lead bullets against wood was incorrect, as were a couple costumes. All in all, great film.
The Outlaw Josey Wales always felt right to me.
It has it's moments.
Thanks Santee for another great vid, every Saturday afternoon ( when I see it here in wales ) i really look forward to learning something new and interesting!! Keep 'em coming! 🤠
My pleasure!
My mother-in-law once did a lengthy presentation for a local historical society on the accuracies (and several inaccuracies) of Tombstone, and I learned a LOT from her.
As a follow-up to this, I'd love to see a video on some of the most egragious inaccuraicies. (I once had a blog and did a multi-part series on the travesty that was the "History" Channel's Texas Rising.)
Sadly, they are all inaccurate to a degree. Movies like Tombstone, Hostiles, Dances With Wolves and some others get so much right and set the bar higher for newer movies.
I'll be talking about Horizon this Saturday but will probably do Tombstone at some point.
"Oh Yeah Baby" 😁 Now this is a subject that always piques my interest. Glad to hear there will be more on this topic 👍
Yes.
Definitely need another video on this subject! Thanks for this one!
More to come!
I would like to cast my vote for 1997's "Rough Riders." Looks great, Tom Beringer as Teddy Roosevelt, and Gary Busey, Brian Keith, Brad Johnson and Sam Elliott as Bucky O'Neill.
That was a good movie!
The Proposition an Australian Western from 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep
I think what most people don't understand is that they wouldn't like a 100% historically accurate western dramatic film. That's called a documentary. The key to enjoyment imo is a balance between history and cinema. Tombstone 1993 strikes the balance very well. The basic true story is there but some legend is included, event time lines are compressed and many interpersonal conversations are invented with an excellent script that make it a very entertaining movie. I agree with you 100% on 2007 Jesse James film. It was very accurate, slow moving but enjoyable for understanding some profound facts about James' demise.
I agree with ya. We want Hollywood to be entertaining and historically accurate, but that can't always happen together. The shootout at the OK Corral is a good example. Quick, smokey, close. Not good for film.
I agree with you except, except for Tombstone, that movie is nearly a comedy in my opinion.
Cool video santee
Thank You!
Excellent episode Santee. Have a great weekend! Cheers!
Thank You, Tim.
Excited for the western museum!
Me too.
I'm not really much of a movie goer but the movie Tombstone had me riveted to my seat.
Cool!
That's real good law dog 😂
@@MichaelKeller-sf5yq Skin that smoke wagon and see what happens.
Gonna have to watch these Westerns now! Thanks Santee!
You're welcome.
Another outstanding episode, Santee!
Thank You!
My mom never saw Tombstone which was a crying shame as she LOVED Westerns...but as I've mentioned on this channel before, my maternal grandma saw it on TV and adored it, she would watch it whenever it would come on. She watched it so much that the year before she died I got her the Director's Cut of the movie. My Aunt (my maternal grandmother's sister) watches almost exclusively westerns. It may not be historically accurate OR a movie but I fondly remember watching a Western game show with my mother back in the day. It was called Wilde West Showdown...think American Gladiators but with a Wild West theme and events based around Western movie things, mom loved it and luckily some fella actually got all the episodes together so you can watch the whole series on this site...thought the dang thing was lost forever since back then folks didn't think of keeping stuff like that around to sell as collections later for fans and most folks don't even know about the old show.
I remember Wild West Showdown
For all it's faults, the Young Guns films are a personal favorite because they did away with a long standing pet peeve of mine; belt loops instead of suspenders.
They have their moments, those films.
Mornin' Santee
Hiya!
This was fantastic. I believe I have seen all these older movies. Good job.
Thank You!
I was hoping you would do an episode on this very subject. You did a great job as usual, keep ‘em coming! Thanks!
You're welcome. More to come.
Movies are entertainment and books and channels like yours are for getting the real details.
Thank You!
GOOD JOB AND THANKS SANTEE
Thank you Thomas.
Thanks Santee! Always good stuff.
I appreciate it.
That was so cool. Thanks, Santee, for the audio/video clips. They are always terrific. That's a great topic...
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Good!
The Ballad of Gregorio Cortez takes place at the beginning of the 20th century, but the depiction of frontier Texas life is pretty gritty, not to mention the fact that most of the film takes place out in the wilderness makes for a compelling film.
OK! I'll search it out.
Great video, I'm glad that Tombstone is seen as being relatively accurate, one of my favorite films. I can't wait to hear if The Big Trail (1930) makes the cut for accuracy.
Same here!
I always thought that The Outlaw Josey Wales is an accurate movie with the use of black powder firearms and a lot of the realities of the frontier as well as the guerilla style fighting Josey used and was needed for fighting not just the Comanche but the Yankees who were after him. Even though it's technically a mini series Lonesome Dove also does great with the hardships and horrors of the frontier and accurately portraying the lifestyle. Overall great video I always enjoy your content, please keep them coming.
Thank you!
Great video Santee!
Thank You!
I have a friend whose dad is from New Zealand who adored Westerns. He named his son Shane.
Fun stuff!
Very Cool Episode. I’ll be looking forward to seeing that museum when we come back down for piggies. Maybe even Coues Deer, should we draw. Anyway, still, I love all the magic of Old Tucson. One of my most favorite places to visit.
SO glad to hear it. Will look forward to seeing you.
Thank you for all you do! 👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
You're welcome!
I am spending a lot of time at the moment watching old Westerns. I can see why my Grandmother liked Randolph Scott. I think you are right to cut directors some slack on accuracy as long as the film is entertaining. I frequently look up characters from films to see if they really existed and what they were really like. Your posts inform much of my viewing. Pity there isn't a, "Ghost Riders of the Caribbean " for my next favourite genre.😂 😎🏴
Awww, thanks much.
Wonderful video Santee ❤
Thank you very much!
@@ArizonaGhostriders your very welcome
Yèeehawww. Saturday with Santee. Thanks for once again making Saturday morning enjoyable. Just like when I was a kid and rushed through my Saturday morning chores so I could plant my butt in front of the tv and catch my celluloid heroes.
Glad you enjoyed it.
i love holky woods saddle selection
those 1960 western pleasure saddles from Sears rake the cake
HA!
Thank you for the effort. The frontier was so stark and hardscrabble that I doubt modern audiences would pay hard earned good money to watch such reality as escapism. Despite historic blunders, westerns including all of the international ones should be simply as dress up fantasy story telling. Even when dinosaurs jot across the screen.
Glad you enjoyed.
My all time favorite western is "Shane," saw in in the theater when it was first released and I was 8 years old, so I relate most with the kid. I think it was the 3rd DVD I bought. Once I checked the book out of the library then watched the movie, read the book, then watched it again. In the book the kid was I think named Bob instead of Joey, and Shane wore black instead of buckskins. What amazed me most is that sometimes the dialog in the movie is exactly the same as the book; but it is said by a different character---and it worked both ways. Don't know why I did not think of it, but when I read the book I realized the kid was the only one who saw Shane arrive, and the only one who saw him leave.
I read the book, too.
Recently watched a movie called Red Sun starring Toshiro Mifune and Charles Bronson. Loved it. On a separate note, I'm wondering if there will be any videos regarding the military of the Old West (1st United States Sharpshooters, Cavalry, etc.). I remember seeing a video about military veterans during that time.
There will be at some point.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Looking forward to it, head honcho/big cheese
Well, there's a few films to put on my watchlist. Thanks for the video, and I look forward to any future ones on the subject!
You bet!
there was a dinosaur in the ALAMO
Little known fact.
I really enjoyed this episode, I can't wait to check some of these films out!
Good!
Well on the opposite side some particular examples of stuff that is period incorrect include in Unforgiven set in 1881(Garfield assassination in the news) little Bill asking for.30-30 ammo when the posse is getting supplies (caliber not invented till 1890s)
A Russian Galand revolver (invented 1870)is among the revolvers in the gun shop in the Good, The Bad, and The Ugly set during the US Civil War
Oh yeah, plenty of inaccuracies in all types of movies. Even today.
I was just about to mention that bit about Unforgiven.
Authenticlyicly very much good awesome episode thar, Pard. Sorry to see Bill got blowed up with John Wayne. Keep up the great work! Cannot wait fer more!
Thank You!
Another great video Santee
Thank You!
Great video Santee and I really enjoyed seeing all those extra movies that I've never seen before so thank you.
My pleasure!
Arizona looks real good. Both the state and movie.
It is!
Hi Santee, great topic this week. I guess Tombstone would be my favorite and close enough to period correct. Have you seen Old Henry Santee? I thought that was well done. And same with the Unforgiven. Santee how about a video about how they made their own cartridges and the tools they carried for that? Thanks for all your hard work and time Sir. You are appreciated!🤠🇺🇲
As mentioned in another comment, Unforgiven has Little Bill mention 30-30 rounds, not invented until 1895, fourteen years after the setting. Old Henry is a great film, that I consider the real sequel to Young Guns, rather than II.
Old Henry was a good film. I did do a video on reloading.
@@ArizonaGhostriders I'll have to go back and check out your video on that Santee. Thanks 👍🤠
@@ArizonaGhostriders I just started hand reloading myself. Got a couple Lee Classic sets, 45 Colt and 45-70 for my new Sharps Long Range Rifle. It's a fun pain in the arse.
"Paint Your Wagon" really gets the California Gold Rush about as "period correct" as I've ever seen! The movie is also hilarious and has some great songs. Yes, that's right, "Paint Your Wagon" is not only an Epic rendition of the Gold Rush, it does it as a comedic musical! And Lee Marvin as the "former Mountain-Man-turned-gold-seeker-and-professional-drunk" is too GOOD to be missed. Add a passing Mormon who decides to divorce one of his wives at the Mining Camp, in the legal vacuum of a lawless frontier territory, and you get the insane hilarity of the miners deciding that since only mining law is available, that the divorced Mormon wife can be considered an "abandoned claim"! Sam Clemens (AKA Mark Twain), spent the years of 1861-1864 in Nevada Territory, at Virginia City, during the "Flush Times' of the great Comstock Lode silver strike. In 1872, Twain wrote a great book about those times, ROUGHING IT, and Twain's wonderful description of how crazy Virginia City was in those years, makes the antics in "Paint Your Wagon" seem normal for a "Wild West Mining Camp"!
Terrific movie. Always wanted to see the stage version. How do they do it??
Look forward to future vids on this topic. Especially for some of the older films. Thanks for another great Saturday morning watch, Santee!🍻🤠💯
Much appreciated!
Thanks again Santee & Co.
Any time!
Most accurate portail of the US Cavalry during the period was F Troop.
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I can't wait to hear about The Good ,the Bad and the Ugly ... Great job Santee.
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Good video santee one thing i can gaurentee is not one of my western videos will ever be called historically accurate or period correct lol
LOL!
Very intrestingly awsome and intrestingly informative video, I really liked and enjoyrd it, I got a lot of inspiration for my old west frontier, retro 50s to early-mid 2000s eras, video games and esoteric,mysticism,
Jungian,metaphysical,occult sciences ,spiritual sciences and mythoPoetic philosophies as well as jungian psychology and psychoSpiritual and alchemical psychology and philosophy inspired writing projects.
I learned alot about authentic western cinema of the old west frontier.
Great job, well done and keep up the great work.
In my writing projects and world there are a few old west frontier places tgat are Tabbantha Isle, Hatena Woodland Township and the abandoned historic frontier town of Kaka'Rico Townshed.
Thank You!
@@ArizonaGhostriders your welcome.
Today I,m getting further inspiration from my other research topics on spiritual sciences, occult sciences, jungian and alchemical psychology, esoteric, mysticism,metaphysical, mythoPoetic, psychoSpiritual,the imaginal realm and mythological philosophical thought and philosophies as well as the retro 50s to early -mid 2000s and history of retro video games ,toys and cartoon shows-video game tie ins.
Santee, Thank you very much for the great Old west content. My favorite Westerns are Tombstone and Lonesome Dove. How does Red River 1948 stack up to getting it period correct? You and Mrs. Pew Pew have a beautiful and blessed weekend. LORD GOD Bless and stay vigilant.
Fantastic!
THANKS
Welcome
Keep up the good work !!!!!
Thanks, will do!
"Dude, what the hell!" 😂😂. I laughed hard at that one.
One of my peeves in movies is when you see someone fall, or crawl or something, and you see brand spanking new soles. So new they aren’t even dirty yet. Once I saw a Viking with Vibran soles. 🙄. Something like the sole of a boot is very very often forgotten about by wardrobe people.
HAHA! Yes!
I think for realism for the time The Shootist came pretty close. So did Big Jake.
They had their moments, but not as accurate as the ones we've listed.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Although, J.B. Books riding a streetcar is kinda "authentic" for the 19-oh's when it's set.
@@guyfaux3978 Yes. Horse drawn street cars were a thing.
'Will Penny' (1967) looked authentic, nothing overstated, repaired clothing & an unusual mix of period accurate firearms, which was probably more true to life than we see in a lot of westerns where they all have fancy rigs & Colt peacemakers.
"Tom Horn' (1980) depicted a pretty accurate vision of the early 20th century west.
I'll check Will Penny, and Tom Horn had its moments.
The 2004 Alamo deserves a directors cut
It should have one.
As I recall, Arizona (1940) was the first time anyone used the what become the Old Tucson Studios.
That's correct
Thank you
You're welcome.
Howdy Santee!! Another great video!👍👍
I'd always wondered (until I started following Arizona Ghostriders😁) just how accurate/inaccurate Hollywood is when it comes to clothes/saddles/firearms in Western movies.
Thank You!
Lee Marvin Monte Walsh.is a favorite. Italians brought correct period firearms into use especially navy colts and 66 Winchesters. Still a movie is a movie. Every gun in The Searchers is wrong but it's still a great great movie
Yep!
❤ Broken Trail is worth a separate video.
No doubt.
Charles Bronson ⏰From Noon Till Three 🌵is a Classic Westen Movie 🥀
Oooo, never seen it. Will check it out!
Thank you !!!
You're welcome!
I think Hostiles is by far the best western that came out in the past two decades
Glad you think so!
Really good thx! Hey Santee could you do a video on the most famous “sod busters” in the old west ?
Got any in mind?
@@ArizonaGhostriders , hmm I know there were some that got caught up in the Lincoln county war, and of course the Mormon pioneers. I know a lot of em were awfully tough.
Some good films, I'm sure you could do at least an hour on this Santee! 🤠
I could.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Well I'd be happy to watch it! 😀
@@mistyjames810 Maybe one day a livestream on that subject
Another good video sir.
Thank You!
Great video Santee
Glad you enjoyed it
I know this is a lil off track...but I'd like to hear your comments on "Quigly Dow Under"....( Not in the US for one....)
Such a great film. Characters are terrific. Plot, too.
Good one ! The thing they all get wrong is that mounted cav. Troops where 140lb to keep the horses from being too played out ! BTW I'm not a stitch counter just a cap gun kid ...
Yeah, good luck finding 140lb actors, right?
@@ArizonaGhostriders well I'm sure it helped that short people were more common back in the day. It's going to be easier to find a 5'6" person that weighs 140 than a 6 footer
The terror of tiny town had plenty of sub 140lb actors !
@@simiouno6125 HAAHAHH! They did.
I believe my favorite would be the North Field raid part of the Long Riders. I don't know how historically correct it was,but the slow motion action of bullets ripping through flesh, would certainly make someone think twice about pulling off a bank heist.
It was definitely fun!
My biggest complaint about some of the older westerns is that they look 1960s, clean shaven short haircuts with modern Stetson looking hats.
Yes they do.
Nice one, Santee. There's so much BS in so many Western movies, especially ones that are supposedly "based on a true story" that it's easy to write off _all_ Westerns as pure fantasy.
Not that there's anything wrong with pure fantasy, _per se,_ _Beowulf, La Morte D'Arthur, Star Wars_ (in its original form) are all pure fantasy, but are worthwhile stories. It's when filmmakers claim to merely be recounting history and get it all wrong due to laziness or "artistic license" _(My Darling Clementine, Heaven's Gate_ and myriad others, on and on _ad nauseum)_ that -really pisses me off- really disappoints me.
McLintock! was based on Shakespeare's Taming of the Shrew
Got my second pair of cowboy boots!
Congrats!