The Law Man !! That soundtrack will be always in my brain! Since I watched for the first time in vhs I was a teenager! Great topic you brought Santee! Love it!
Michael Winner made a couple such films as you mentioned. Lawman and Valdez Is Coming. Love them both. Alot of great films on that list. Another such discussion is a good idea for your show, Santee!
Thanks again Santee & Co . My favorite alternative Western film is Little Big Man . Dustin Hoffman played a great character who strode both sides of the White and Native American divide . I watched the film then read the book some years later .
Thanks for the list. I've only seen some of the movies on this list. Be careful of letting kids anywhere near Bone Tomahawk. Start them off with Bob Steele and The Three Mesquiteers, those are better western anyhow...
Santee, not sure how to get you mail, can you do a video on the opposite end of the Spectrum about Singing Cowboy pictures? Maybe you can get Ranger Doug and Side meat from Riders in the Sky to guest star.
Being somewhat older I seen most of them and have always looked back and think how the Westerns have changed. Thank you Santee for all your hard work and time Sir. You are appreciated! 🤠🇺🇲
Actually there are a lot of Western movies that started coming out in the 2020's. Do a search on line :Westerns 2020 , 2021 and so on. Supposedly 10 new ones for 2024-2025. Watching the Western movies on TV was a big thing on the weekends when I was a kid, plus the old western tv shows. :)
@@TUCOtherattYes. I think so too. I saw that Kurt Russell was starring in it and settled back in my armchair for what I presumed would be a good old shoot em up western movie. I was horribly disappointed. Yes, Hollywood westerns involve shooting scenes that are dark. Sam Peckinpah made them darker for sure. Bone Tomahawk is on a different level of grafic, gratuitous violence. I’m surprised Kurt Russel stooped so low to associate himself with this movie 😢
Santee, Absolutely Awesome. Thank you very much. You and Mrs Pew Pew have a beautiful and blessed weekend and Happy Thanksgiving. LORD GOD Bless and stay vigilant.
Great conversation. I never thought of it, alternative westerns, that way. I grew up watching William Boyd playing Hopalong Cassidy, and watching Audie Murphy’s movies. When Clint Eastwood started making spaghetti westerns, I saw them as a breath of fresh air. Although, I still love everything John Wayne did.
Yes... Lost Audio many times doing The Pyrate Round TH-cam channel. Good episode. I never considered Alternative Westerns. The husband on the other hand, knew exactly what you were talking about. And whole watching, I started to name off all these Alternative Westerns. But I did not know that was a genre. Thanks for this
This channel is my only Patreon. I do appreciate the efforts involved in explaining an unexplainable era of contradictions and mythology. Western movie folklore is an inexhaustible well for discussion. Always fascinating and never a consensus of opinion. My candidates for breaking the old entertaining Kabuki solid western format is '53 Ride Vaquero, '54 Apache, '57 Run of the Arrow, '56 Massacre, '51 Westward the Women, '93 Ballad of Little Jo, '39 Harlem Rides the Range and the discussed Lawman and McCabe and Mrs. Miller. Always a fascinating movie genre and a great channel keeping it alive. Mucho Thanks.
I just picked up a new movie on dvd. It's called, "The Dead Don't Hurt". Written by, Directed by, and starred in by Viggo Mortensen. Just picked it up yesterday. We'll see if it fits under the sign if "alternative".
I love a good western movie. Whether its an alternative western or not. Id love to know more about western genre books. I love to read and am always looking for some good, newer books to read. ❤
Excellent conversation, and pretty good review of lots of movies in my library and some I need to add. Thanks for another great wake me up on a Saturday Santee!
I really enjoyed watching this. Some of the movies discussed, I’ve seen, and some of them I haven’t. So I’m going to watch them. I don’t want to see Bone Tomahawk again that was a bit too much for me to handle. Shocked to see Kurt Russell take on that one. Love your videos ❤
Great show, there are some great westerns out there… and we need more. It is truly a celebration of the expansion of this nation with all the “stories”… all the stories, all the perspectives, and the stereotypes are a part of that… it’s us.
The 1938 Western titled “The Terror of Tiny Town” which featured an all-midget cast. If that ain’t an “alternative western,” I don’t know what would be.
Seen many of these and they are great films, with great commentary by David. Couple of things - actually the main character in Fistful of Dollars does have a moral compass, which is summed up in his attitude Marisol and her family. Also, this genre, as far as I'm concerned, began back in the 50s with The Searchers. It's just that there wasn't much else till 1964!
Love Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid, one of my favorites. They're showing a lot of these alternative westerns like you mentioned and that are on the list on the streaming services now. There is about four of them on one channel so good watching. Thanks Santee for a great discussion of Westerns 🤠
Incredible chat. Very interesting as I never really put a category on westemrns yet I have seen many of the movies on the list. Very interesting episode . Thanks
Shucks, now I'm going to have to go back and watch these movies a all over again. I'm getting to be a fan of some of these newer low budget not Hollywood Westerns including the ones with Santee. Keep doing what you're doing. Great stuff.
We touched on them, but they were in the section with poor audio. However, there were others in that era, so my opinion is they are not "huge omissions." Unforgiven is on the list in the description field.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Opinions will vary but I think "Pale Rider" and Unforgiven" are two of the greatest alternative Westerns ever made but I'm a HUGE Eastwood fan and I didn't read the list . . . lol
True, but he didn't shoot Liberty in the back. He did it in defense of his friend, who had no chance at that point. Clint's characters shot and killed to thin the heard or help his side, and that makes it alternative.
There's a movie from the early 1970's called " Bad Company " which involved a group of kids avoiding being conscripted into the army during the American Civil War by running out west . I'm pretty sure Jeff Bridges played the lead character . Y'all keep up the great work and Happy Thanksgiving everyone !
That's all so true. The Westerns did change their focus. I hadn't even thought about it. It was no longer the classic GOOD GUY(S) vs the classic BAD GUY(S). AS ALWAYS, I marvel at how you have appropriate footage, and vocals to correlate with just about everything. 🎊 Maybe the change in the Westerns coincided with, and mirrored the changes in our own society, and what we now label as BAD and GOOD. ***Another winner, Santee and company... great guest🎉 🏜 🔫 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🤠🤠🤠
Great video, as usual, Mr. Santee!! Sergio Leone, at the Autrey Museum, there was a segment dedicated to Mr. Leone. It spoke of his life as a youth, under Mussolini, during World War II. He dreamed of coming to America, and creating an Italian version of the Wild West. When he was able to create his own movies, he saw Clint Eastwood, in Rawhide, and knew he was the actor, who would play the character he envisioned.
This has to be the TH-cam channel that has impacted me the most, i watch alot of the okder videos and it helped me get a good start in becoming a cowboy actor in events near me, my cousin did it long before me and kent me alot but this chanel helped me get the idea of the western impression i wanted, i hooe that youll see this and thank you
Did I spot an ear ring in your alternative western guest's left ear?🤣 Interesting discussion this revisionist western vs traditional. I was laid up and had to sit immobilized on the couch for a few weeks a couple years back and I binged on westerns. IMO when the pendulum swings too far either way the movie is either boring and predictable or dark, negative and not entertaining. Those films that come down the middle and delve into moral dilemmas without trying to make political statements or a display of grotesque, disturbing violence for it's shock value are the best. "One Eyed Jacks" is one of my favorites. In the end we all want to see a little justice.
Hi Santee, great vid as usual. Your co-host this week sounded like a genuinely interesting guy who you could spend a long time talking to! Here in Wales we've got a storm called "Bert" passing through at the moment, can't wait for "Ernie " to turn up!!!!😅
Hi santee great video I got a good video idea for the last Saturday before Christmas day. You should do a video talking about all Westerns that have a chritmase vibe to them like the Hateful Eight
Outstanding one, Santee! Alternative westerns have always fascinated me. Good guys don’t always wear white, they’re not good, but they’re better than the REALLY bad guys. As far as lawmen go, many were just as horrible as the bad guys, they just happened to wear a badge. I think the overlying plot is ‘victims of circumstance’. I really liked ‘Hannie Caulder’. It was the first movie that I recall where violent sexual assault followed by brutal murder. Then came the revenge. It’s an underrated movie.
You mentioned Hombre, but I would include Valdez is Coming. Both based on the novels by Elmore Leonard, one of my favorite authors. In his books there were no good guys; only bad guys and worse guys. Great topic. Thanks for sharing.
I don't know if it would fit the definition as described by Mr. Grassé, but one recent film that popped into my mind is "Old Henry." In any case, great discussion and a reminder of how many Western films I have not yet seen.
A hero comes to a village. The villagers all look very upset, so the hero asks what happened. "There is a huge dragon living in the mountain. Every week, it will come down and eat one of our virgin girls, " the villager replies. The hero then promises to help. Two weeks later, the dragon starved to death.
I’m watching the old Lone Ranger show, I think they did the Native American pretty well. Played by actual natives. Though heavily romanticized, it still does some justice for the genera.
When I think of an early example of this kind of movie I think of the western movie “Bad Company” with Jeff Bridges and Barry Brown…. I’ve heard it called a “acid western”. Always loved that movie, ever seen it Santee? Nevermind… hahaha you just mentioned it in the video after I typed this!😁
Great video, Santee. A movie that came to my mind on Alternative westerns was “ The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence.” Both Vera Miles and Woody Strode had prominent parts. I particularly enjoyed the scene where Pompey tries to recall the words “all men are created equal” in the Declaration of Independence and apologizes to Rance Stoddad because he”plum forgot” to which Stoddard says it was ok because “a lot of people forget that”. As that scene plays out there is a picture of Abraham Lincoln on the wall visible over Pompey’s right shoulder. This movie came out in 1963, I think, during the Civil Rights Movement. John Wayne played a respected rancher who had no problem using violence for what he considered the better good- as evidenced by his act of murdering Liberty Valence by ambush. I certainly hope this one made the list!
So very awsomely awsome and very informatively informative video, I really liked and enjoyed it, I learned a lot about alternative westerns and got inspiration for my old west frontier, mario,zelda, minecraft horror and ancient hebrew,sumerian and mesopatamian myth, angelogy,demonology and eytemology inspired new rewritten writing projects with retro,antique and vintage era elements. I might add a little bit of alternative westerns to my stories and combining it with weird absurdism and bizarro surrealism in a more dream like and dream logic kind of sense. Great job and well done. The story Im writng now is the lore and details of a region that I named the southern Great Sea Region, that contains the Suhthorm Great Bay Sea,which has a island known as Outpost Isle and the northerly section of the region is the treacherous stormy waters of StormCove Bay where the hauntingly foreboding island known as StormCove Isle is located. Todays story is also about the lore abd details of something that I called Legends of the WindWaken and the OceanWaker Mythos as well as The Waker of the Wind.
@ArizonaGhostriders Your welcome. Today Im going to get even further inspiration from zelda fan projects ,mods and romhacks as well as super mario 64 romhacks and super mario internet horror lore and stories. Im also going to be writing a few of my shorter interconnected stories back to back all at the same time.
I’ve worn a mustache since I was 15. The longest I went without one was Navy boot camp 50 years ago. My late wife and my sons/grandsons have never seen me with out one. I have a nasty scar that goes from my upper lip halfway up the side of my nose. Very bad bicycle wreck when I was 14. Mustache covers the worst of it.
just two guys shooting the breeze talking about something that they love and making valid points that the other understands and can’t refute 😎 Did Mr. Grasse appear on History Channel before? he seems so familiar, like he had discussed someone on an episode of a show when they still made history shows
@ technical difficulties are a pain, he had a lot of great points that your agreeing with made them stand out. and nice of you to feature one of the technicians for a movie, i expected a power brick joke but the joke we got was far better
It was never made into a movie but I think of Louis L'Amour's the Broken Gun, set in the late 1970s the heros were Vietnam veterans set in the four corners desert more of a traditional western just in a modern setting. 🤠
Such a shame the audio went as that was a fascinating conversation. One that i think should be added to the list and highly recommend is Red Sun. Staring Toshiro Mifune of the Seven Samurai snd Charles Bronson of the Magnificent Seven. Also staring Swedish Ursula Andres, French Alain Delon and direct by an Englishman. A true international western.
Red Sun is a lot of fun, a little tongue in cheek, and Ursula Andres is possibly the most beautiful woman I've ever seen in any film, ever. Can't go wrong with Mifune!
if you go back to early westerns like the hoots gibson and early john wayne stuff and then to the modern westerns then it comes down to the question that i ask myself every day... "are you a good guy doing bad things or are you a bad guy trying to do good things?"... early westerns were usually a good guy that get beguiled into some kind of contest in which he does something bad for instance john wayne's "who shot liberty valance" where john wayne is the assassin and charles bronson in "once upon a time in the west" where charles bronson goes from serial killer to almost a white knight .... anyway... westerns will always be the true american film genre as we are free to interpret a film anyway that we want to interpret it... and the western will always be a great genre
David's alternative western movie list in description field.
The Law Man !! That soundtrack will be always in my brain! Since I watched for the first time in vhs I was a teenager! Great topic you brought Santee! Love it!
Michael Winner made a couple such films as you mentioned. Lawman and Valdez Is Coming. Love them both.
Alot of great films on that list.
Another such discussion is a good idea for your show, Santee!
Thanks again Santee & Co . My favorite alternative Western film is Little Big Man . Dustin Hoffman played a great character who strode both sides of the White and Native American divide . I watched the film then read the book some years later .
Thanks for the list. I've only seen some of the movies on this list. Be careful of letting kids anywhere near Bone Tomahawk. Start them off with Bob Steele and The Three Mesquiteers, those are better western anyhow...
Santee, not sure how to get you mail, can you do a video on the opposite end of the Spectrum about Singing Cowboy pictures? Maybe you can get Ranger Doug and Side meat from Riders in the Sky to guest star.
Oh man! Let’s not forget ’The Ballad of Buster Scruggs’. Also brought tears of laughter to my eyes!
Great film.
@@KevinGroninga3D man buster Scruggs is one of my favorite movies just short heartbreakin stories with awesome story telling
This was a very refreshing conversation. Thank you, Santee. I could have sat idle and listened to you and David talk for hours!
I'm looking forward to more content like this - Santee did good
Thank You!
Y'all named many of my favorite movies! I like Lawman.
Cool!
Atmospherically, McCabe & Mrs. Miller is incredible. You can almost feel the bitter cold & unforgiving loneliness through the screen.
Yeah, they did create that quite well.
I love the fact he was a gentleman and didn’t interrupt you with the ending
I think he was paid off!
Great episode Santee!
Thank you Robert!!!
Being somewhat older I seen most of them and have always looked back and think how the Westerns have changed. Thank you Santee for all your hard work and time Sir. You are appreciated! 🤠🇺🇲
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I would mention Will Penny, I think it was more realistic.
Good film.
I wish they would make more westerns. You get a few occasionally but nothing like in the 50's and 60's.
Actually there are a lot of Western movies that started coming out in the 2020's. Do a search on line :Westerns 2020 , 2021 and so on. Supposedly 10 new ones for 2024-2025.
Watching the Western movies on TV was a big thing on the weekends when I was a kid, plus the old western tv shows. :)
Agreed.
Fascinating discussion. You know, an occasional deep dive into a movie might make for some interesting content. Bone Tomahawk would be a good start.
It's a very graphic movie....but maybe I can make it work!
IMO Bone Tomahawk was a horror movie, not a western.
@@TUCOtheratt Both. Horror western. I did a video on this subject.
@@TUCOtherattYes. I think so too. I saw that Kurt Russell was starring in it and settled back in my armchair for what I presumed would be a good old shoot em up western movie. I was horribly disappointed. Yes, Hollywood westerns involve shooting scenes that are dark. Sam Peckinpah made them darker for sure. Bone Tomahawk is on a different level of grafic, gratuitous violence. I’m surprised Kurt Russel stooped so low to associate himself with this movie 😢
@@Tony-c9b Agreed. That movie was a dark mess.
Old Henry is a great western that absolutely qualifies for this list.
OK.
Jim Jarmusch's Dead Man should be on the list too. Great alt western, great performances, great photography, amazing cinematic experience
It's on there. 1995.
Lawman is one of my all time favourites.
Lancaster was terrific.
I hate Lawman
Rough ending.
Good list of movies, I've probably never seen, but should take a look at
Awesome!
Nice sharing santee as always thumbs up from us 👍
You rock!
Great vid Santee !
Glad you enjoyed it
Santee, Absolutely Awesome. Thank you very much. You and Mrs Pew Pew have a beautiful and blessed weekend and Happy Thanksgiving. LORD GOD Bless and stay vigilant.
Same to you!
Fascinating subject, Santee! I really enjoyed it and liked the westerns mentioned.
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Excellent work Santee ! ! Maybe you can do more like this ...
Thank You!
Great conversation. I never thought of it, alternative westerns, that way. I grew up watching William Boyd playing Hopalong Cassidy, and watching Audie Murphy’s movies. When Clint Eastwood started making spaghetti westerns, I saw them as a breath of fresh air. Although, I still love everything John Wayne did.
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Wonderful discussion. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻 😊
My pleasure!
Another awesome topic Santee. Thanks for always keeping the topics fresh. 👍👍👍
I appreciate that!
I grew up on spaghetti Westerns because of my dad. I also love Neo westerns.
Awesome!
Yes... Lost Audio many times doing The Pyrate Round TH-cam channel. Good episode. I never considered Alternative Westerns. The husband on the other hand, knew exactly what you were talking about. And whole watching, I started to name off all these Alternative Westerns. But I did not know that was a genre. Thanks for this
You're welcome.
This channel is my only Patreon. I do appreciate the efforts involved in explaining an unexplainable era of contradictions and mythology. Western movie folklore is an inexhaustible well for discussion. Always fascinating and never a consensus of opinion. My candidates for breaking the old entertaining Kabuki solid western format is '53 Ride Vaquero, '54 Apache, '57 Run of the Arrow, '56 Massacre, '51 Westward the Women, '93 Ballad of Little Jo, '39 Harlem Rides the Range and the discussed Lawman and McCabe and Mrs. Miller. Always a fascinating movie genre and a great channel keeping it alive. Mucho Thanks.
Thank you very much for watching!
I just picked up a new movie on dvd. It's called, "The Dead Don't Hurt". Written by, Directed by, and starred in by Viggo Mortensen. Just picked it up yesterday. We'll see if it fits under the sign if "alternative".
Just watched it. Not bad. Definitely alternative.
Thanks for the list of movie recommendations.
You're welcome.
Nice sharing as always santee thumbs up as always 👍
Thank You!
I love a good western movie. Whether its an alternative western or not. Id love to know more about western genre books. I love to read and am always looking for some good, newer books to read. ❤
Sounds good!
Excellent conversation, and pretty good review of lots of movies in my library and some I need to add. Thanks for another great wake me up on a Saturday Santee!
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This is the first time 10 alternative Westerns list I saw that didn’t have Brokeback Mountain. Pretty refreshing.
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Well, it might be about cowboys but it's not exactly a western lol. More of a love story, unless those guys ended up robbing stagecoaches at the end
No, no they didn't.
Good evening, Arizona ghost riders. I love watching your show in the morning. Sorry it took me this late to respond. Great showman thank you
Thanks for coming!
I really enjoyed seeing all of the movie clips
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I like this discussion. I have not seen many of these films. Now I have a new goal. Thank you Santee.
Thank You!
I really enjoyed watching this. Some of the movies discussed, I’ve seen, and some of them I haven’t. So I’m going to watch them. I don’t want to see Bone Tomahawk again that was a bit too much for me to handle. Shocked to see Kurt Russell take on that one. Love your videos ❤
Thanks!! Yeah that is a tough movie.
The evolution of storytelling and the western. Yep. Enjoyed this episode. Thanks.
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This was beyond great. Thanks for w
Good.
Interesting discussion. My favorite alternative movies are the Trinity series of movies.
Cool!
I enjoyed ''The Homesman'' as a book, and it made a great film.
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Great show, there are some great westerns out there… and we need more. It is truly a celebration of the expansion of this nation with all the “stories”… all the stories, all the perspectives, and the stereotypes are a part of that… it’s us.
Thank You!
Good stuff. More!
Thank You!
The 1938 Western titled “The Terror of Tiny Town” which featured an all-midget cast. If that ain’t an “alternative western,” I don’t know what would be.
Hmmm....
I did watch a little of it!
Back in 38 they were called dwarfs
Just some short clips?🤣
I LOVE that movie! So many scenes just made me laugh out loud. And I’m probably going to hell for that…. 😅
Seen many of these and they are great films, with great commentary by David. Couple of things - actually the main character in Fistful of Dollars does have a moral compass, which is summed up in his attitude Marisol and her family. Also, this genre, as far as I'm concerned, began back in the 50s with The Searchers. It's just that there wasn't much else till 1964!
Yeah, good points!
Great as always. Thanks for all the effort that goes into the making of these.
You're welcome.
Love Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid, one of my favorites. They're showing a lot of these alternative westerns like you mentioned and that are on the list on the streaming services now. There is about four of them on one channel so good watching. Thanks Santee for a great discussion of Westerns 🤠
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Hey Santee, I hope you and your family have a wonderful Thanksgiving 🤠
We did! You?
I was watching Far Haven and I saw you in it Santee. 👍🏼
So cool! Thanks for watching it.
Awesome as always! Could talk about this topic all day.
Great!
A good list of movies 😊
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Interesting time line of the evolution of the Western.
Yes!
Incredible chat. Very interesting as I never really put a category on westemrns yet I have seen many of the movies on the list.
Very interesting episode . Thanks
Thank You!
Shucks, now I'm going to have to go back and watch these movies a all over again.
I'm getting to be a fan of some of these newer low budget not Hollywood Westerns including the ones with Santee.
Keep doing what you're doing. Great stuff.
Why thank you very much.
Ulzana's Raid with Burt Lancaster is one of my favorite alterative westerns.
Cool!
I remember watching Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid years ago, out of all the westerns I have seen it was a strange one.
Not one of my favorites.
For me one of the most underated westerns is the ballad of cable hogue
Great film.
That is also one of my favorites. When it comes on tv I definitely have to watch it.
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Very good interview Santee 🤠
Thank You!
We can’t forget about Terrance Hill. The Trinity trilogy’s and My name is nobody.
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I enjoyed this sit-down.....Happy Thanksgiving Santee
You as well!
Two huge omissions for alternative Westerns are "Pale Rider" in 1985 and "Unforgiven" in 1993 starring Clint Eastwood!
We touched on them, but they were in the section with poor audio. However, there were others in that era, so my opinion is they are not "huge omissions."
Unforgiven is on the list in the description field.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Opinions will vary but I think "Pale Rider" and Unforgiven" are two of the greatest alternative Westerns ever made but I'm a HUGE Eastwood fan and I didn't read the list . . . lol
High Plains Drifter had an even more "supernatural" quality and that was before Pale Rider. Check it out.
@@ArizonaGhostriders I've seen "High Plains Drifter" more times than I can count! 👍
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John Wayne made more “alternative” scenes than me gets credit for. Remember who was really The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.”
And in "Chisum" one of the supposed heroes was Billy the kid.
True, but he didn't shoot Liberty in the back. He did it in defense of his friend, who had no chance at that point.
Clint's characters shot and killed to thin the heard or help his side, and that makes it alternative.
Have a wonderful Thanksgiving. I am a bit mixed on some alternative Westerns some i like others leave me cold
Happy holidays!
@ArizonaGhostriders Thank, you
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There's a movie from the early 1970's called " Bad Company " which involved a group of kids avoiding being conscripted into the army during the American Civil War by running out west . I'm pretty sure Jeff Bridges played the lead character . Y'all keep up the great work and Happy Thanksgiving everyone !
Saw the trailer to that recently
Great movie. The director of photography for the Godfather worked on that movie and it shows
Yep, mentioned it in the video.
That's all so true. The Westerns did change their focus. I hadn't even thought about it. It was no longer the classic GOOD GUY(S) vs the classic BAD GUY(S). AS ALWAYS, I marvel at how you have appropriate footage, and vocals to correlate with just about everything. 🎊 Maybe the change in the Westerns coincided with, and mirrored the changes in our own society, and what we now label as BAD and GOOD.
***Another winner, Santee and company... great guest🎉
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Glad you watched and commented!
Ironically, they're now the standard version of a Western
Yeah, everyone is trying to get away from that original recipe.
FIREFLY! GREAT SPACE WESTERN!
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Good job.
Thank You!
Great video, as usual, Mr. Santee!! Sergio Leone, at the Autrey Museum, there was a segment dedicated to Mr. Leone. It spoke of his life as a youth, under Mussolini, during World War II. He dreamed of coming to America, and creating an Italian version of the Wild West. When he was able to create his own movies, he saw Clint Eastwood, in Rawhide, and knew he was the actor, who would play the character he envisioned.
Very cool!
“Cowboys and Aliens” immediately comes to mind.
More sci-fi, but yes.
This has to be the TH-cam channel that has impacted me the most, i watch alot of the okder videos and it helped me get a good start in becoming a cowboy actor in events near me, my cousin did it long before me and kent me alot but this chanel helped me get the idea of the western impression i wanted, i hooe that youll see this and thank you
You are very welcome and thanks for watching.
Did I spot an ear ring in your alternative western guest's left ear?🤣 Interesting discussion this revisionist western vs traditional. I was laid up and had to sit immobilized on the couch for a few weeks a couple years back and I binged on westerns. IMO when the pendulum swings too far either way the movie is either boring and predictable or dark, negative and not entertaining. Those films that come down the middle and delve into moral dilemmas without trying to make political statements or a display of grotesque, disturbing violence for it's shock value are the best. "One Eyed Jacks" is one of my favorites. In the end we all want to see a little justice.
Yes, David was into the punk and goth worlds for awhile and retains the earring.
Many of the movies are grisly and grotesque, you're right!
Wow. I never thought of it this way. Good episode. Happy Thanksgiving my friend.
Mucha appreciated.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Ha.. De Nada
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If one movie is missing on that list, it's "The Good, The Bad And The Ugly".
He mentioned Fistful of Dollars and the others. So, not missing.
Good info
Glad you think so!
Hi Santee, great vid as usual. Your co-host this week sounded like a genuinely interesting guy who you could spend a long time talking to! Here in Wales we've got a storm called "Bert" passing through at the moment, can't wait for "Ernie " to turn up!!!!😅
HA! Hope you are all safe.
Excellent video Santee! Except for the lost audio!!!
I could have sat there in person quiet as a mouse, hanging on every word.
Cool!! Thank You!
Hi santee great video I got a good video idea for the last Saturday before Christmas day. You should do a video talking about all Westerns that have a chritmase vibe to them like the Hateful Eight
Sounds like a great idea. Thanks!
Outstanding one, Santee! Alternative westerns have always fascinated me. Good guys don’t always wear white, they’re not good, but they’re better than the REALLY bad guys. As far as lawmen go, many were just as horrible as the bad guys, they just happened to wear a badge. I think the overlying plot is ‘victims of circumstance’. I really liked ‘Hannie Caulder’. It was the first movie that I recall where violent sexual assault followed by brutal murder. Then came the revenge. It’s an underrated movie.
I think Valdez is on his list (description field)
@@ArizonaGhostriders Absolutely! One of my favorites. Elmore Leonard was one of my favorite western authors.
@@greghardy9476 Cool!
Very interesting.
Thank You!
You mentioned Hombre, but I would include Valdez is Coming. Both based on the novels by Elmore Leonard, one of my favorite authors. In his books there were no good guys; only bad guys and worse guys. Great topic. Thanks for sharing.
Western noir. No good guys to be found.
You're welcome.
Making an external antenna for my old radio, nice review.
Good luck!
I don't know if it would fit the definition as described by Mr. Grassé, but one recent film that popped into my mind is "Old Henry." In any case, great discussion and a reminder of how many Western films I have not yet seen.
Yes, that was a good film.
A hero comes to a village.
The villagers all look very upset, so the hero asks what happened. "There is a huge dragon living in the mountain. Every week, it will come down and eat one of our virgin girls, " the villager replies. The hero then promises to help. Two weeks later, the dragon starved to death.
HAHAH! A loose town.
“the Man with No Name” aka Clint Eastwood had to be the “hero”
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I’m watching the old Lone Ranger show, I think they did the Native American pretty well. Played by actual natives. Though heavily romanticized, it still does some justice for the genera.
Yeah, and Jay Silverheels was helpful to native american actors.
When I think of an early example of this kind of movie I think of the western movie “Bad Company” with Jeff Bridges and Barry Brown…. I’ve heard it called a “acid western”. Always loved that movie, ever seen it Santee? Nevermind… hahaha you just mentioned it in the video after I typed this!😁
Yep, mentioned. I like that movie. I could have seen a sequel...
Great video, Santee. A movie that came to my mind on Alternative westerns was “ The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence.” Both Vera Miles and Woody Strode had prominent parts. I particularly enjoyed the scene where Pompey tries to recall the words “all men are created equal” in the Declaration of Independence and apologizes to Rance Stoddad because he”plum forgot” to which Stoddard says it was ok because “a lot of people forget that”. As that scene plays out there is a picture of Abraham Lincoln on the wall visible over Pompey’s right shoulder. This movie came out in 1963, I think, during the Civil Rights Movement. John Wayne played a respected rancher who had no problem using violence for what he considered the better good- as evidenced by his act of murdering Liberty Valence by ambush. I certainly hope this one made the list!
It did.
..Zachariah, Valdez is Coming..saw both over 50 years ago at the post theater in Illesheim,Germany..
Nice.
So very awsomely awsome and very informatively informative video, I really liked and enjoyed it, I learned a lot about alternative westerns and got inspiration for my old west frontier, mario,zelda, minecraft horror and ancient hebrew,sumerian and mesopatamian myth, angelogy,demonology and eytemology inspired new rewritten writing projects with retro,antique and vintage era elements.
I might add a little bit of alternative westerns to my stories and combining it with weird absurdism and bizarro surrealism in a more dream like and dream logic kind of sense.
Great job and well done.
The story Im writng now is the lore and details of a region that I named the southern Great Sea Region, that contains the Suhthorm Great Bay Sea,which has a island known as Outpost Isle and the northerly section of the region is the treacherous stormy waters of StormCove Bay where the hauntingly foreboding island known as StormCove Isle is located.
Todays story is also about the lore abd details of something that I called Legends of the WindWaken and the OceanWaker Mythos as well as The Waker of the Wind.
Yeah, add some flavor of them to your book. Thanks!!
@ArizonaGhostriders Your welcome.
Today Im going to get even further inspiration from zelda fan projects ,mods and romhacks as well as super mario 64 romhacks and super mario internet horror lore and stories.
Im also going to be writing a few of my shorter interconnected stories back to back all at the same time.
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@@ArizonaGhostriders thanks ☆☆☆
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Great video Santee
Thanks!
Mustaches are important. I can't get mine to grow 😂
HAHAH!
I’ve worn a mustache since I was 15. The longest I went without one was Navy boot camp 50 years ago. My late wife and my sons/grandsons have never seen me with out one. I have a nasty scar that goes from my upper lip halfway up the side of my nose. Very bad bicycle wreck when I was 14. Mustache covers the worst of it.
@@greghardy9476 Not sure what my upper lip looks like anymore...
What about "Little Big Man?" It's still one of my favorites.
Yes, it's on the list in the description field.
Add Jeremiah Johnson to the list and Little Big Man as well.
One of those is on there already.
Related, you should do a video on the Weird Western!
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Very interesting discussion.
What about "Unforgiven"? For me that's THE alternative Western.
I think it fits.
Honorable mention: Lust in the Dust, Paint Your Wagon, Cat Ballou
Thanks.
just two guys shooting the breeze talking about something that they love and making valid points that the other understands and can’t refute 😎
Did Mr. Grasse appear on History Channel before? he seems so familiar, like he had discussed someone on an episode of a show when they still made history shows
Yeah, we did an episode together on his books.
@ technical difficulties are a pain, he had a lot of great points that your agreeing with made them stand out.
and nice of you to feature one of the technicians for a movie, i expected a power brick joke but the joke we got was far better
Nolan was a great dude. I actually learned a lot from him about sound.
It was never made into a movie but I think of Louis L'Amour's the Broken Gun, set in the late 1970s the heros were Vietnam veterans set in the four corners desert more of a traditional western just in a modern setting. 🤠
Oh yeah!!!
“A big hand for a little lady” where the bad guys win in the end and all the time we thought they were the ones being spoofed.
OK!
The limited series “Firefly” could be an example of an “very alternative western” in a “Galaxy far away” 🤷🏻♂️😉
Oh yeah!
Such a shame the audio went as that was a fascinating conversation.
One that i think should be added to the list and highly recommend is Red Sun. Staring Toshiro Mifune of the Seven Samurai snd Charles Bronson of the Magnificent Seven. Also staring Swedish Ursula Andres, French Alain Delon and direct by an Englishman. A true international western.
Red Sun is a lot of fun, a little tongue in cheek, and Ursula Andres is possibly the most beautiful woman I've ever seen in any film, ever. Can't go wrong with Mifune!
@headlessspaceman5681 absolutely 👍
Good stuff.
11:20 The world's largest pepperbox revolver! (Santee's previous episode) :)
HAHA! Yes.
if you go back to early westerns like the hoots gibson and early john wayne stuff and then to the modern westerns then it comes down to the question that i ask myself every day... "are you a good guy doing bad things or are you a bad guy trying to do good things?"... early westerns were usually a good guy that get beguiled into some kind of contest in which he does something bad for instance john wayne's "who shot liberty valance" where john wayne is the assassin and charles bronson in "once upon a time in the west" where charles bronson goes from serial killer to almost a white knight .... anyway... westerns will always be the true american film genre as we are free to interpret a film anyway that we want to interpret it... and the western will always be a great genre
Thank You!