The battle of the Greek tragedies - Melanie Sirof

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    The world of modern theater owes its roots to the tragedians of Ancient Greece. As far back as the 5th Century BCE, actors and playwrights were entertaining the masses with intriguing stories. Melanie Sirof unveils the ancient theatrical innovations that made the way for Broadway.
    Lesson by Melanie Sirof, animation by Andrew Foerster.

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  • @LordOmnissiah
    @LordOmnissiah 4 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    What’s really tragic is not only did Oedipus Rex come in second at the contest but we also don’t even have copies of Philocles tragedies to compare it to in order to determine if it was a fair loss. In fact we don’t even know the name of the play Oedipus lost too, the passage of the sands of time has robbed us of even that.

  • @georgiion1684
    @georgiion1684 7 ปีที่แล้ว +830

    ”kills his father, and marries his mother. that sounds pretty tragic to me”
    *i'm dying*

    • @Kunabee
      @Kunabee 7 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Hopefully not by your son.

    • @jargonr3d32
      @jargonr3d32 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      we all are, pretty tragic, right?

    • @WateverWatever04
      @WateverWatever04 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Georgi Ion And then the way the Seacrestopolis says "It is most tragic!" so excitedly 😅

    • @basilofgoodwishes4138
      @basilofgoodwishes4138 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Georgi Ion That is pathetic, not tragic.

  • @scasino9358
    @scasino9358 9 ปีที่แล้ว +191

    "peace, love and catharsis" makes for an awesome catchphrase.

  • @andy4226uk
    @andy4226uk 9 ปีที่แล้ว +259

    I have no idea why this is so confusing to people, I found this easy to follow and it just explains how different early Greek writers went about constructing their plays.

    • @ralphsgirl06
      @ralphsgirl06 7 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      It required basic knowledge of Greek Theatre to understand the references.

  • @Tyronejizz
    @Tyronejizz 9 ปีที่แล้ว +461

    altough a fun variant on the original style of TED-ED. I prefer the normal narrator with cold hard facts over this story telling type of education. Still a great video

    • @robertthomson1587
      @robertthomson1587 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Absolutely. The 'TV hosts' premise wears very thin by the end.

  • @ms9592
    @ms9592 6 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    This is a really clever way of presenting information, I love it

  • @rubengivoni6823
    @rubengivoni6823 4 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    This video was an absolute masterpiece. The combination of the eccentric narrative style of this video, it's great insights for the viewer who pays close attention to detail, as well as its top-notch humour, make this a truly remarkable video. As a person not too acquainted with the greatest playwrights, let alone the greatest Greek tragedians of classical Greece, this really made me feek a combination of hopeless ignorance and unquenchable curiosity that I cannot properly describe. Kudos.

  • @user-cs8uz5lo5z
    @user-cs8uz5lo5z 9 ปีที่แล้ว +300

    the ryan seacrest and mario lopez reference, i see you TED-Ed, i see you.

    • @WateverWatever04
      @WateverWatever04 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      oumaima I DIDN'T NOTICE IM SCREAMING

    • @Becky_Cooling
      @Becky_Cooling 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Who are/were they?

  • @driskilla
    @driskilla 9 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I appreciate TED-Ed's attention to the classics and the ancient world. Keep it up!

  • @MegaKoutsou
    @MegaKoutsou 9 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    Some of the Greek words heard in this video in Greek:
    Aeschylus: Αισχύλος
    Sophocles: Σοφοκλής
    Oedipus: Οιδίπους
    Jocasta: Ιοκάστη
    Thespis: Θέσπις
    chorus: χορός
    parodos: πάροδος

    • @whatchachattin
      @whatchachattin 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +gijijijijijijijijijijji this is why it annoys me when they pronounce aeschylus and oedipus

    • @MegaKoutsou
      @MegaKoutsou 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      whatchachattin What do you mean? What is the thing that annoys you?

    • @whatchachattin
      @whatchachattin 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      they dont pronounce the dipthong (the two vowels next to each other) instead only pronouncing 'e', the greek itself has 'ai' and 'oi' for the initial syllables respectively but they say 'e' and 'e'

    • @MegaKoutsou
      @MegaKoutsou 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      whatchachattin Thank you! But may I ask you something? How come you know how to properly pronounce the diphthongs? Have you studied Greek? I'm asking out of pure interest because I am Greek myself

    • @whatchachattin
      @whatchachattin 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I study Latin and Ancient Greek at University

  • @misseli1
    @misseli1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I liked this format. It was funny and entertaining, and I don't think it was as hard to follow as other people made it out to be

  • @Arte.mi.
    @Arte.mi. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is amazing! For someone who has read some ancient plays and has just a little bit (but enough) of knowledge about ancient drama plays, this is a masterpiece!

  • @kekorules3241
    @kekorules3241 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    "Kills his father, and married his mother"
    Sweet Alabama sounds...

    • @Valanci555
      @Valanci555 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He betrayed his family for family.
      I am confused with my feelings.

  • @thediamondkid4320
    @thediamondkid4320 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love how I know some of this. The Dionysus thing was cool. And the Greeks did *invent* tragedy. They knew the greatest heroes didn't get happy endings. Pretty sad, but what can you do? Greek tradegies and myths are awesome and twisted in a really odd way.

  • @rinsletdreamwalker2832
    @rinsletdreamwalker2832 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It definitely requires some background to understand what's going on, but come on, guys, this is great! Really, you have done amazing work. It's very entertaining and helps to renew the knowledge you had of ancient greek theatre. Even if you don't know a thing about it, the video is a super fun point to start introducing with it. Thank you so much!

  • @imjustczarina
    @imjustczarina 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is totally our lesson! Thanks for making it more entertaining.

  • @sWifteruniTe
    @sWifteruniTe 9 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    no idea what just happened ?? anyone can tell me what happened ?

    • @Hiphopopotamus123
      @Hiphopopotamus123 9 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Did you watch the video?

    • @Renigade16
      @Renigade16 9 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Hiphopopotamus I'm sure he/she did, it was still hard to follow especially if you don't know anything about theater history.

    • @darkking289
      @darkking289 9 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      The beginning of theatre as we know it today. In the time of the ancient Greeks, plays would be performed by a chorus of 50 men all singing in unison. Then one man steps out to become an individual, and is known as an actor. This happens until there are 3 actors on stage.

    • @Arikiatrukido
      @Arikiatrukido 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      sWifteruniTe nop man. i am without works. this sux more then mosquitoes.

    • @nocomment09
      @nocomment09 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      luis hernandez
      *12-15. not 50. There wouldn´t even been enough space for 50 men.

  • @leonardsap13
    @leonardsap13 9 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    this one needed more work guys, this episode was just all over the place.

  • @georgiion1684
    @georgiion1684 7 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    "peace, love and catharsis."
    WHAT

  • @cara4454
    @cara4454 9 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    What a coincidence! Iwas just analysing Antigone by Thucydidis for my exam tomorrow...

    • @driskilla
      @driskilla 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Ioanna Karaiosifidou Thucydides didn't write Antigone.

    • @GooffyxXxGRxXx
      @GooffyxXxGRxXx 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      driskilla i think she is well prepared xaxaxaxaxa

    • @cara4454
      @cara4454 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I sure am cant u see? and yes i know it! Am Greek ! it was my way of saying that i will totally fail

    • @GilgameshApproves
      @GilgameshApproves 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Ioanna Karaiosifidou sofocles actually wrote it, and btw ill also have a exam lol

    • @adityakhanna113
      @adityakhanna113 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ***** Either way, those are some nightmare spawners!

  • @Nadiivlogs
    @Nadiivlogs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i got assigned from my teacher to watch this.. i like it! :D

  • @ThyLoverly
    @ThyLoverly 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome! Would love to see more theatre-related videos, not just math and science.

  • @paulanicole4786
    @paulanicole4786 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    this was so great haha studying for my theater arts class and this was so helpful!

  • @bbpoltergeist
    @bbpoltergeist 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was absolutely amazing.

  • @cynayu
    @cynayu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am in LOVE with the animation and presentation lmaooo

  • @jepong1768
    @jepong1768 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    such a informative and masterpiece scene... 10/10

  • @stephaniev.928
    @stephaniev.928 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I need a worksheet on this video! Perfect

  • @dharmeshsingh9050
    @dharmeshsingh9050 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well enacted. TED ED is now a studio!

  • @JohanStarDragon
    @JohanStarDragon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    “A nice fellow who kills his father and marries his mother.”
    And thus lay the seeds for an entire profession. Sometimes charging 200 dollars an hour....and a fifty minute hour at that.
    (1000 points to anyone who gets this reference.)

    • @auxmobile
      @auxmobile ปีที่แล้ว

      What would we become without a bit of... psychoanalysis (ψυχανάλυση)...

  • @elizabethingram6375
    @elizabethingram6375 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What about Euripides? It seems wrong to leave out one tragic ancient Greek playwright when there were only 3 with plays that still exist today.

  • @janikaloisbrul9870
    @janikaloisbrul9870 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    im so happy that all of this is related to my english literature subject 💕

  • @sathishchandra8914
    @sathishchandra8914 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome presentation

  • @greenergrass4060
    @greenergrass4060 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    its amazing how we went from this , to Musicals like Wicked,Cats or Les miserables!!

  • @joshuanickles6385
    @joshuanickles6385 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    These are way better!!! I wish they would do more like this and caesar and Lenin and ones like that:)

  • @highbrowraiseofficial
    @highbrowraiseofficial 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Incredible TedEd💫

  • @sofiapetridou4662
    @sofiapetridou4662 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Peace , love and catharsis " Lol I'm dying 😂😂😂

  • @froberso
    @froberso 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great resource!

  • @mykulpierce
    @mykulpierce 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    So strange that the historical points discussed are lost in the slap stick.

  • @eudelannec.pascual7735
    @eudelannec.pascual7735 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I actually enjoyed this

  • @mymostbeloved
    @mymostbeloved 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd like to see a video about Aztec Gods or Aztec history in general.

  • @KarishmaChanglani
    @KarishmaChanglani 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was absolutely genius. I was laughing throughout.

  • @spiros1994
    @spiros1994 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just send me a message or give me a call to make the Greek voice and I'll add subs too. I cant hear that english narration

  • @annabananna789
    @annabananna789 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seacrestopolis and Mario Lopedokia must’ve been huge hunks in Ancient Greece.

  • @ronaldodouglas4911
    @ronaldodouglas4911 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great act🙌🙏🙌🙏🙌🙏

  • @dicruzz1103
    @dicruzz1103 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful!!!!!!

  • @jmanrocks152
    @jmanrocks152 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I absolutely love the bgm
    Wish I could have it

  • @shanelp7489
    @shanelp7489 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Shout out to everyone who’s studying theatre arts!

  • @marcuscheng2507
    @marcuscheng2507 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!

  • @sooooooooDark
    @sooooooooDark 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    i dont get it

  • @safasaleh3010
    @safasaleh3010 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the best ever video i have seen in my whole life

  • @antoinekubler7472
    @antoinekubler7472 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant stuff

  • @Niki_0001
    @Niki_0001 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm not sure I follow what's happening. Is this video heavily dramatized or is this (somewhat accurately) how modern theatre begun..?

    • @dave5194
      @dave5194 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It's about the transition of a large chorus telling a story in theater to having characters acting out narratives. And how the innovations lead more and more towards the modern theater that we know, with actors, speeches, and such.

    • @haeilsey
      @haeilsey 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      It didn't happen all at once this took centuries but it happened in this way.

  • @neiturelover
    @neiturelover 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am not a literature student. Could you please tell me what does catharsis mean?

  • @luisafernanda9453
    @luisafernanda9453 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I liked it though. Good job. You never disappoint me

  • @juanestebanacostagutierrez8950
    @juanestebanacostagutierrez8950 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved it so much

  • @bjgoodrich5864
    @bjgoodrich5864 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job 👏

  • @MG-fb4yj
    @MG-fb4yj 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought that the greek tragic by excellence was Antigone, the daughter of Oedipus and Jocasta

  • @soklatkasang4655
    @soklatkasang4655 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i came after watching the story reviewed by the ML studios crew (Malaysia)

  • @2b-coeur
    @2b-coeur 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:35 ...no, it makes me feel sad.

  • @bibekgautam512
    @bibekgautam512 9 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I prefer one man narrative...

  • @thenomz1142
    @thenomz1142 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    While this is a decent starting point for people interested in tragedy, there are a couple things to recognise:
    This is based on the Aristotle’s “systematic” model of history of tragedy. These innovations didn’t necessarily happen as he describes them and thus not how they have been presented here. While traditionally it has been taken as true, it’s come under quite some criticism from many academics. One should also note that Aeschylus and Sophocles were not necessarily the “greatest” playwrights; they’re just two of the three Lycurgus, a prominent Athenian Statesman, decided to preserve during the 4th century BCE (the triad from which the two are from worked during the 5th century BCE). In fact, one lost author, Astydamas the Younger, wrote 240 plays (twice as many as Sophocles) and won fifteen first prizes) and was the first to be commemorated in the Theatre of Dionysus - before the rest of the triad.

  • @masodemic4509
    @masodemic4509 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Peace, love and catharsis" needs to be a thing

  • @Vexsus22
    @Vexsus22 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    the box office lady was not waving; she was saying "STOP! GIVE ME YOUR TICKETS OR PAY !!!"

  • @xoddran42069
    @xoddran42069 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The last one most tragic
    That's it I need to make a movie about that

  • @romanbruni
    @romanbruni 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    brilliant brilliant brillaint

  • @ElvenAngel
    @ElvenAngel 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not a single mention of Euripides' contributions? O_o

    • @marlonmoncrieffe0728
      @marlonmoncrieffe0728 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      ElvenAngel
      Probably because Euripides was a terrible playwright that didn't contribute much.

    • @confusedpenguins6887
      @confusedpenguins6887 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Marlon Moncrieffe how dare you lol. Never heard of Medea? Let alone other great tragedies by Euripides

  • @jmemes6305
    @jmemes6305 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    good

  • @612Tiberius
    @612Tiberius 9 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Wow - this was absolutely underwhelming.

  • @ericastevens614
    @ericastevens614 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Theapus? Is that where the term thespian came from?

  • @gavinruiz4622
    @gavinruiz4622 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love it soooooooo much

  • @naturallydivine2010
    @naturallydivine2010 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    ...Mario Lopedochea....Interesting character TED.

  • @gatopardoantico5657
    @gatopardoantico5657 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mario Lopidochea does not sound particularly [ancient] Greek . Neither Christopoulos if this is the actual name.

  • @clarkepercivaljaeblood4886
    @clarkepercivaljaeblood4886 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I keep imagining the con-attorney in the History vs. series whenever Seacrestopolis speaks.

  • @jvsper_
    @jvsper_ 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is amazing :)

  • @KimmyQueen
    @KimmyQueen 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You assume people know the basis of theater origin ... difficult to follow

  • @GGV11
    @GGV11 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What ages is this video suitable for? Is it suitable for kids under 10?

  • @Jjrmtv
    @Jjrmtv 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    that was cool!

  • @Kumquat9701
    @Kumquat9701 ปีที่แล้ว

    Goat song!

  • @Julian0505z
    @Julian0505z 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best vid ever

  • @rihardskaneps8502
    @rihardskaneps8502 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    briliant ! here only perspective , from where u are mater

  • @justanotherbohemian3827
    @justanotherbohemian3827 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What? No Euripides?

  • @sreejanighosh3399
    @sreejanighosh3399 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Secretosples and Mario Lopadocia sound like cool Greek guys. 🤣

  • @QUARTERMASTEREMI6
    @QUARTERMASTEREMI6 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    The messenger's explanation of the demise of Oedipus is not even in the slightest bit correct... Did they even read the ending of Oedipus?

    • @medicalstudent4333
      @medicalstudent4333 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What are you talking about? That is how it ended. After Oedipus realized that the prophecy was fulfilled, that he killed his father and bedded his mother, he gouged out his own eye with Jocasta's pins and self exiled himself, with Creon taking over the throne.

  • @Naheed_
    @Naheed_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice

  • @YuGiBrohhh
    @YuGiBrohhh 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sorry TED it seems you overestimated the thinking power of your audience. Looks like this whole thing went over a lot of people's heads.

  • @paulinaradomska7945
    @paulinaradomska7945 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Peace, love and katharsis

  • @lorelln
    @lorelln 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Para sa modules woh!

  • @microwave9679
    @microwave9679 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    the last story is obviously Othello

    • @111asel
      @111asel 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No, it's Oedipus.

    • @microwave9679
      @microwave9679 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or is it?

    • @111asel
      @111asel 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Spongiforma squarepantii
      Yes it is.

    • @microwave9679
      @microwave9679 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or is it an Adam Sandler movie? Those are tragedies right?

    • @JonatasAdoM
      @JonatasAdoM 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Spongiforma squarepantii A tragedy to watch

  • @marcinwojak8563
    @marcinwojak8563 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    ,,U can't blame the guy, can you?"

  •  9 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a lesson worth -sharing- explaining... :|

  • @KiriRose
    @KiriRose 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    the greek name's in english sound very od to me and im greek ,o,
    oh here's a new topic on TED-Ed
    why wen ever you hear a name you know in a difrent language sound od? to us
    its an idea :P

  • @cynthiawu5342
    @cynthiawu5342 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    can't understand nothing :(

  • @marcomechelli8800
    @marcomechelli8800 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    where is euripides?

  • @kadeywakes1842
    @kadeywakes1842 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anyone else sent here by school

  • @EccentricGentelman
    @EccentricGentelman ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't understand, are they saying plays didn't always have individual actors? How did they stage plays before?
    Also do people find tragedies cleansing? I've never felt that after seeing a sad ending.

  • @clarkepercivaljaeblood4886
    @clarkepercivaljaeblood4886 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hold up, I'm trying to know which of them was Addison Anderson and George Zaidan, but I'm really confused HAHAHAHAHAHA

  • @peckmangaming4579
    @peckmangaming4579 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Only the one's who read the background stories of the greek drama can fully understand the video....

  • @katie-px5to
    @katie-px5to 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    i actually liked this kind of video hahaha

  • @emamekkartny
    @emamekkartny 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    peace, love and catharsis

  • @jp4431
    @jp4431 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Adds one actor
    INNOVATION
    That just sounds like iPhone