As a Native American myself I love these accounts as they destroy the myth of the noble savage. It brings into clear focus the reason why it took Europeans four hundred years to tame the west. Yes we were noble but we were also brutal we loved our tribes and our people but we are people and people can be inhuman to each other. We living in the modern times should remember this so we never repeat it.
I’m Mexican Guatemalan but my dad comes from the K’iche people of the mayans which is in Guatemala, I also love pages like these because I get to learn more about my people throughout the americas even tho we come from different regions of America we are still the same people, our languages and some of our cultures are the same but different in the same time
The Great Plains were especially hard to tame. Real tough groups like the Apache and Comanche lived there and the lack of water and timber made it really difficult to settle.
@@nathanielovaughn2145 you're an idiot the first Spanish landings in the Yucatan peninsula started in 1502 the last Native American uprising was in Utah in 1923, that's over 420 years. Math you no understando???
As a teenager I was quite interested in tales of the American frontier. At one point I remember reading a book of short histories of the Indian Wars. One story in particular I wish I'd never read was about an American Army officer who was captured sometime in the early 1800's by an Iroquois war party. His own small band of soldiers had been killed during an ambush and he was the only survivor. The story was related by a French trapper who was friendly to the Iroquois in that area, but had no love for the Americans or British. Long story short, the Iroquois braves decided to burn the American alive. When the trapper told the officer that his fate was to be burned, he stated that he "would attempt to bear it bravely", but the trapper told him that it would be nowhere near a quick death, as the Iroquois truly enjoyed the spectacle of burning their captives slowly on a bed of coals where they would tie a man's hands behind his back and then rope him by his neck to a pole, but leave his feet and legs free. Then they'd watch him dance as he'd slowly roast to death over coals with just enough rope to allow him to put part of his body out of the intense heat, but not all of it. This led to a man "favoring" various parts of his body as the rest of him roasted in various places until the thousands of twists and turns to obtain some relief had finally caused every part of the man's surface to become charred, with the exception of his face and head; at which point the Iroquois would shove him to the ground and heap hot coals on his head to finish the deed. The "fun" was to see how long they could keep a man alive during this ordeal. The trapper related that it took this particular officer a day and a half to finally expire. I still have trouble grasping this level of evil and the knowledge that the native peoples of the Americas had been dealing out this sort of treatment to their rivals long before Europeans appeared on the scene has since destroyed any naive ideas of the "Noble Indigenous Peoples" B.S. you might hear from supremely ignorant people in our modern era.
@@nirjhar4803 You ain`t shittin. The Tribes west of the Mississippi were less likely to tolerate any whites. I don`t try to compare what type of torture is used, as any form of torture is insanely cruel. I as an angry and violent young man, at times think about the ways that different cultures or countries used very different forms of harming and brutalizing enemies. My family has fought in EVERY war this country ever fought save the Mexican war. We do not talk about combat in my family as a rule. One truth is known though. Asian countries are the most evil and cruel. I am grateful that I was never a P.O.W. in any country. Always save a round in your sidearm is a rule too.
Reminds me of my Cherokee grandfather telling stories about how "in the old days," the Cherokee would tie their rivals up in wet leather and watch them die as the leather dried over a low fire squeezing them to death. I agree the natives were savages.
Most people are ignorant of the true definition of the word savage. It never meant uncivilized or unintelligent. It means especially brutal or violent. When people called the natives “savages” this is what they were referring to.
BS. It was a term used by colonialists for native peoples (starting in Ireland). It was used to justify colinalisation by dehumanising indegious peoples. Native peoples in Australia were looked on as animals for a while and could be shot.
@@caleb_güero No, the same things the indians did to other indians as well. Kill, kidnap, enslave, brutalize etc. The same things they did to each other from centuries prior to europeans arriving on the continent.
@@datesanddeadguys l disagree with Peter Harris, when it comes to the amount of, quote "research", end quote, that you did. lt sounds to me that you just read the book, which l'm sure was highly embellished upon by the author, and made a video about it. Also, if you had any real knowledge about Native American history and cultures, you would have NEVER used the word "squaw" to mean a Native American woman. That's a highly offensive and derogatory term that was made up by some highly offensive white man who saw Native Americans as being less than human 'savages'. lt the equivalent to calling a woman the 'C' word. The type of people who used that term were the type who considered Native American women to be the only thing less human than a Native American man, and were only good for one thing.
Read the book Empire of the Summer Moon, the great Comanche Chief Quanah Parker. It was suppose to be made into a movie but it never happened. Great book, hard to put down once you start reading it. The Comanche were the best light infantry in the world in their time. I'm a Vietnam combat veteran, (173 ABN 1966 1967) one of the guys was 99% Comanche, what guy! After all these years, we lost contact. Read the book about 12 years ago, know why he was so good and fearless. Tool point for guys he felt didn't have it that day. Nothing seemed to bother him, all business for him. He even knew when we were the "hunted!"
"The Comanche were the best light infantry in the world in their time. " Because you are familiar with the Mongols, Chinese and every other fighting force in the world at that time? Trump Univ. School of History?
@@Mark-gg6iy I like your Trump Univ. line, nice to know I'm not the only one who uses it that line! The Comanches "being the best" was in the book "Empire of the Summer Moon." In the book they were compared to all of them also. You should contact the author how he came up with that. Years ago there was a TV program comparing all types of fighters then and now. The Comanches were rated very high. In 1966 I received a free ride to attend the University of SEA which stands for South East Asia. The main Campus was located in South Vietnam. Complaments of the US Government. Didn't cost me or my parents a cent. Paid for everything (food, clothing, housing and etc.) plus paid me very little for attending. My two year degree was with the 173 ABN. In 1968 the GI Bill picked up grad school. The future Dean of Trump U was 4F and to me is still 4F in body and mind.
@@mikej1186 The Commanches might very well be the top of their class for that time period it's just a burr under my saddle when Americans claim something "American" is the best in the world when I doubt a full worldwide, reputable study was done. I lived in SEA so familiar with the acronym. Yes, Trump U is my go-to snark. cheers.
There’s a great book called “Indian Depredations in Texas”, which is every Indian encounter in Texas from 1830ish-1870s. It’s wild stuff. These are great stories from the time.
@@zachthomas5272 surely it’s a bit hard to assume it’s “every account”, but the author seems to have collected various stories(including his brother who survived being scalped) over at least a 40 year period. He seems to have tried to gather as many as he could find and accurately report. It’s like every cowboy & Indian movie you ever saw. It’s on Amazon and super cheap for kindle .
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I have a cousin from South Dakota and it was incomprehensible to me that many of their neighbors and friends had ill-will toward Native Americans. We were taught in school they were peaceful, noble and agricultural people--all natives were the victims, and the white men were the brutal ones. When I got older I found my birth mother and found out that I'm part native (my grandmother was Shoshone and creek), and started researching. What we did to the Natives was brutal and horrible. But what the natives did to not only the whites, but Mexicans and other tribes, was horrifically cruel and brutal. The Comanche wiped out an entire tribe--complete genocide. They killed, raped and brutalized indiscriminately. It didn't matter to them if a girl was 12 or 20, they would rape and kill them. I'm not saying the white man was any better in some instances, but at least we realize that raping and killing women is wrong. The Comanche (and Apache) didn't seem to care about "right and wrong" or the concept of morality, or even consider those concepts. Those stories were passed down from generation to generation, about babies bashed to death, and little girls being raped and carted off never to be seen again. If they were called "savages" they earned it. Even fighting for your land and way of life is no excuse for some of the things the Comanche and Apache did to other human beings (slavery probably being the least of their sins and we consider slavery to be the worst, which they often, blatantly engaged in). The concept of the "noble savage" is a lie we were fed in school, not the reality. The reality is the West was utterly brutal in every way, with both sides committing atrocities that, today, would earn you the death sentence by lethal injection.
I can say you are very ignorant in regards to my tribe, the Comanche, and so many more. Morality is a high teaching to Natives, we have story's, and wisdom to how the world works and how those teaching's were given to us to teach our children. I can comfortably say your research is mostly googling thing's, not even checking letter's written from Native chief's to Washington, their speeches recorded in court's, their hand in creating peace or war during a sitting for long periods of time and getting advice from elders, war chiefs, and medicine men. Speaking to their enemies about their disputes and so on. Look up how long it took for eastern tribe's to concluded a decision on war, often including great Britain and French to speak. Preparing food, ceremony, dance etc. For two weeks they would debate and hear all of what everyone thought and wanted to put forth.
@Lavender Raine Never denied it, but pointing out it's embellished with more cruelty by European people than it was, especially when they are the one's telling fake stories like they did during that time. Take a look at each European person you hold in high regard due to history, and see how much they are embellished. Gave them more justification in their minds to do the things they did or to implore others to do so. Like during the Crusades the pope exempting their warriors from sin and to do horrific shit to Muslim people in the name of God. You will see the pattern for each time European people come into contact with new people in the world. They will describe them as barbaric, make up heathen ritual's to justify a holy or rightous war, and take Land on that justification.
What you said about morality is spot on. When people are trying to be fair they love saying “Both the whites and native Americans committed atrocities” True, but you’ve got to consider if an atrocity (torture, rape) happened, how did the society respond? If the society supported and even cheered torture and rape, without any protest, it deserves condemnation, period. I’ll let anyone reading this (all 3 of you) to draw your own conclusions.
@@Frisbinator Think about how many Americans will respond by saying their ancestor's raped and killed Natives and be proud of it. Think about the Church that was implemented that headed management of Natives and their children, and often raped, molested, and beat those children in church or at boarding schools. Still have a pedophile problem in Christian church to this day. It's sickening those things yet society accepted them or turned a blind eye. But Don't worry I'll let you guy's go back to your White American echo chambers of what you want to hear and tell each other.
@@nicholaspowroznick4322 as a white man, I see that too. But I think we have grown a bit as a species. Just the advent of social media allows people’s from all over the world to “sit on a collective couch” and discuss the direction our culture is going- whether trolling smart asses or serious discussions. Seems it is in its infancy right now, but I can already see 2 main sides are forming. One side is darkness, hate, manipulation- like these olden times where humans are very animalistic. The other side, which is growing out of the ashes of the currently burning down of culture, is the side of light, compassion, respect, and responsibility. I think within 2 generations, most of this racial and gender nonsense will be looked back on and laughed at- “when we were still barbarians”
Just found your site, as a youg man I grew up watching old time cowboys and Indians and now as a older man I am coming to discover my knowledge of those times are greatly flawed on both sides. looking forward for more videos. Thanks stay safe from newfoundland and labrador Canada.
Most Indians lived by the sword and then were put to the sword…this is the way it goes. The history with no punches pulled and excellent narration with quotes injected effectively makes this a first rate account. People who do not understand the movement of peoples need to understand “Entropy” and the universal presence of it from molecules to tribes or even bands of humans. Nothing is stagnant is this universe.
@@TROll-oe9ng because we’re native to this land, like it’s really not that hard to understand and also we’re not Indians, we don’t come from India my boy
@@threeoneoh6406 I never called you an Indian to start. But didn’t these people supposedly emigrate across a land or ice bridge across the Bering strait? So, I ask again, what makes them native?
Just a suggestion, to improve the audio, hang heavy sheets or blankets all the way around you. It'll cut down on the echo. Bedtimes Stories does the same thing and it sounds really good. Granted, they probably have a really good mike, but they don't use a soundbooth but it still sounds like they do. Enjoyed the story, hope you have some more coming soon!
The reason they were willing to make it across the Comanche range was because the Comanche were a relatively small tribe, and the range was huge and the Comanche tended to stay to the north east toward Oklahoma. Certain bands did go in other directions but these were raiding parties looking for loot etc.
Him getting married & gaining their trust after what they put him through is the craziest part to me. I guess they believed that they had either broken him or gotten him to see himself as a part of their tribe; not exactly the wisest move from the Comanche, but then again this is also a dude who went on an expedition through the middle of Comanche territory. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
@@Afrologist Your guess about others' 'beliefs is the definition of racist prejudice. I guess you believe that you would be broken open and burned alive if you got a library card.
Comanche weren't noble, just savage. Even the Apache feared them, or were at least wary. Theirs was a culture of sadists. Hopefully today's tribal members are a bit more mellow.
@@mdelizabeth3069Our tribe has lots of mythology and a creation myth (debatable amongst the different bands) centered around snakes. Snakes are sacred and feared animals in our culture.
Hey ,the episodes on the Native American are truly inspiring,especially the ones with the Apaches ,please more of those,more on that amazing culture and history,much love,oren
Thanks for the video. Another fascinating story is that of Simon Kenton's capture by the Shawnee. Trafficked from village to village as a great prize he was forced to run the gauntlet 9 times and survived.
Thank you. I read about that in my research for this video. Simon Kenton is an intriguing figure along with a bunch of frontiersman. I had already anticipated picking a book up on him at some point if you have any recommendations.
@@datesanddeadguys The Frontiersman by Allan Eckert holds an incredibly detailed account of his capture. I would recommend anything by Eckert if you're interested in the expansion into the Northwest Territory between like 1750 - 1820. "Follow the River" by Thom is another incredible escape story.
@@datesanddeadguys The Frontiersman by Allan Eckert is excellent, and That Dark And Bloody River by the same author is also excellent. You won't be sorry, but they both are long reads. Great writing and well researched facts make them worthwhile. You might change your mind, or at least add a few tribes to the list of most brutal Indians. The atrocities of some of the settlers is very equal in brutality within the books. Those were some hardy peoples back then, Indian and settler alike!
My great grandmother Tomasa, was captured by the Comanches. Later sold to the Mexicans. She then escaped with her brother and found her way back to the Tribe.
Please share more of your grandmothers story. I’m black and like most black people my ancestors were slaves, but not just to white Americans, also to the Cherokee. My dad has a picture of some of our ancestors, and we even know the name of one of them. I did some research and was appalled at how brutal they were treated. I also found a bunch of documented first hand accounts on line from black slaves that were owned by Native American tribes and they were all very similar to my family’s story.
A guy called willie mckay who was born near maghera in Northern Ireland was also captured. There's a book about him called 'beyond the wild missouri' it tells the story of how he eventually became chief of the tride. I live about a mile from where he was born
Matamoros Mexico is south of Brownsville TX, directly across the border. Cynthia Ann Parker is my cousin, her father trekked to TX & my grandfather established the Parker-Hickman Homestead. the Homestead is now part of the Buffalo River National Park.
VW Star, Cynthia Ann Parker is my cousin too. My brother has a book that has a few stories of the family. Cynthia and her son Quanna are in the book. My grandfather and mother are also in the book.
The similarities of the Viking culture, eight hundred years earlier in Europe are astounding. The only way the Comanche could be overcome was the post civil war union government paid to slaughter all of the Buffalo. William Tecumseh Sherman led the Indian wars and wiped out their food source as he had done to the confederates in the south. (Odd that his middle name was after a Shawnee chief who was known as a peace keeper)
The colt revolver played a massive role too. Standard muzzle loaders didn’t offer much advantage to a bow once a shot was fired but when Texas rangers started to have a bunch of chambered rounds the technology changed the way fighting took place.
On the other hand, during the Civil War Union officers paid the Plains tribes to steal Texas cattle. The cattle raids in question numbered in the hundreds or thousands, and were sometimes being seen taken south, fueling speculation that they were being sold in Mexico. These numbers far exceeded needs for nourishment, at that time, anyway. This was a factor in the conflicts that occurred afterwards. To check this, read the local histories of counties in central Texas, and the family histories of the ranch owners.
@@tomeggleston367 The phrase from Gibbon`s work is "The matrons and virgins of Rome were exposed to injuries more dreadful, in the apprehension of chastity, than death itself." This phrase is not the same as " A fate worse than death", which is how settlers in 1800`s Texas described being taken by The Comanche.
@@jimred5700 - agreed that Gibbon first wrote of the concept (if not the word-for-word phrase in use today). But do you have any evidence/examples then for your claim that 'The phrase "A fate worse than death", comes from this period of American history.'? Word-for-word , Jim.
@@tomeggleston367 Tom....there WAS no "concept", that is the point. There is NO connection between what Gibbon wrote and what the settlers said /experienced in Texas 100 years later. Gibbon was referring to an Historical concept as he perceived it to be. The settlers in 1800`s Texas were describing something that happened on a weekly / monthly basis. Make NO mistake Tom,..........The Comanche could SOON make ANYONE aware of the difference between historical reference and reality. THAT is why the Texas Rangers came into being,.......THEY were tough,...............NOT in the same league as the Comanche,......but nevertheless............seriously tough cookies.
Very informative, and well done. ( learned a lot!). Note: Add background textiles or sound absorption materials to the surrounding area and that will get rid of one warehouse, tinny sound on the audio (cheap also). Really enjoyed it otherwise and will subscribe!
All I can say is the native Americans definitely had some of the best names ever like this big wolf, rolling thunder, crazy horse, sitting Bull, Geronimo, God I love these names .
@@z-z-z-zKnow how Geronimo got his name in adulthood? Check it out, that wasn’t always his name. Which was pretty typical in a lot of tribes, being given a name as a child, and being bestowed another as a man. Geronimo gave himself the name, though. Little different, a man worth remembering.
My 2nd great grandmother Elizabeth Hayley was kidnapped by the Comanche when she was 11 years old During the civil war. Here family didn’t have the money to pay their ransom until a year after the war ended She was 14 years. In history books her nickname was Squirrel tooth Alice.
@@brianhankins9992 My Grandmother’s Grandmother. Or my Dad’s Great grandmother. Every generation before your Grandmother you add a great, 1st great grandmother 2nd great grandmother etc.
Great history! The “Boy captives” is also a good book by Clinton L. Smith that tells of him and his brother being taken captive by the Comanche and the years that followed.
i would love a video like this on the history of the native Americans rite b4 and the immediate period after the spanish came up til the western expansion. seeing those maps was amazing as well. little known period id love to learn about. also the eastern usa when it was primarily natives ofand that history. i know it's prob not documented but I can hope 🤣.
I just finished a really fun book on this called “The First Frontier” by Scott Weidensaul. It talks a lot about it. My next video (probably two weeks until its done) is kind of about this topic. I’m researching Francisco de Orellana’s first journey down the Amazon and his experiences with the uncontacted people. The research has been a trip and If what was reported is true there is an amazing amount history has forgotten.
Clinton L. Smith was my great-grandfather. I was raised by his son, Allen Smith, my grandfather, and grew up hearing lots of stories about my great-grandfather both while a captive and in his latter years. Growing up I knew three of his sons and two of his daughters in addition to my grandfather. Several of his grandchildren are still alive, as is a daughter-in-law. The point his, these stories are not ancient history and continue to influence our Texas culture. After reading Empire of the Summer Moon, I realized that my great-grandfather's book is very much the PG version of these Indian stories, probably because, as my great-grandfather hinted in his book, many of his compadres where still alive when his book was published. When asked if he ever killed a white man while with the Comanches, he would only say, "I was an Indian."@@datesanddeadguys
Hey maybe I heard this incorrectly but at about 6:12 mark your talking about the trip after they Comanche raided the camp. You then said the Cherokee taunted them with their tomahawks still bloodied from the night before. I think you mistakenly said Cherokee instead of Comanche.
I misspoke. I actually caught it in editing, but at the time the channel had something like 16 subscribers and I lazily decided a mistake like that wouldn’t be noticed by the 20 viewers it got. I have tried to be more mindful since.
comanche are one of the reasons my people cry "stolen land"...because tribes like that were so cruel we couldnt come together. It's not all your guys' fault. Maybe the creator sent you guys here as punishment for us not living in harmony with one another. Look at us now. So many tribes from around the world and that's pretty awesome. I'd be considered a custer scout right about now ha
@@rubinortiz2311 Then stop using the white man's inventions and language. Stop eating the white man's food. Stop taking the white man's money. Can't be any more clear than that.
To Los Lobos's point...all peoples across the globe have had their various histories of warfare, slavery , cruelty. The Native Americans were busy fighting each other....as were the Europeans, Africans, Asians etc. at the time of discovery and conquest. The Iroquois were wiping out tribes in the east, the Comanche establishing their lands in the southern plains, the Aztec and Inca had established dominance over tribute tribes.
And now in these days different gangs ,political groups,news outlets,ect are trying to stir up race wars in the United States. If you can get people to hate each other you ,they will become weak by the decision. Therefore easier to conquer their Land.
Matamoros is in Mexico, just south across the border from Brownsville, Tx. This makes sense if Lee was headed out of Corpus Christi. Distance between the 2 cities is 167 miles.
I like your work but, the microphone echo is horrendous, you can correct this by suspending carpet vertically behind the camera and by using audio foam. Well researched, just very poor audio.
I Read the book about this many many Years ago. A very well told and detailed account. Totally fascinating, very hard to put down. How some of the women were kind to him and very beautiful. Some tears when he was traded to others.
From numerous different sources I have read the name "Comanche" is a Ute tribe word with three different but similar meanings: 1) Enemy of everyone 2) Enemy forever 3) He who wants to fight me all the time. In any case, the name alone would make it advisable to avoid these savages.
I did Ancestry when I retired from 30+ yrs as a USPS letter carrier & found out my family is part NativeAmerican Comanche .... & told that it was probably the result of rape. I have been reading everything I can find on the Comanche for a decade now. Genocide of all NativeAmerican tribes is the reason for any 'savagery' imo....& all treaties were lies & were never honored. I find it puzzling that comments like yours are usually one sided & blame shifting. A'HO! Part NativeAmerican Comache ❄️🌎❄️
@@johnstallings4049 Whether you find it "puzzling" or not is meaningless. My family tree has a strong Cherokee background, and I recognize the horrors inflicted upon those tribes who were peaceful. However, most of the Great Lakes tribes, the Plains tribes, and the Southwest tribes were extremely violent and war-like. They were killing each other long before Europeans ever hit the shores of North America. They weren't called "savages" just because they lived in tee-pees or mud huts. They earned that term because they used human torture as entertainment.
@@donjet5371"Meaningless".... like the US does in Gauntemino Bay & did in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc. .... Colonists have no stones to throw in any case. ❄️😶❄️🌎❄️
This is one of the bigger knucklehead mistakes I have made on the channel. I misread the Nelson’s book. He traveled south to Matamoros before heading west. I read it as he was traveling west to Matamoros and assumed there must be another one. Thank you!
I have made some things on similar topics. The one closest in time period and content is probably my video on Lewis Wetzel, a frontiersman from the Ohio Valley in the late 1700s who was known for fighting and killing Native Americans. I’ll link it below if you would like to take a look. A lot of my recent videos have been around Early American history from the time of exploration an conquest. th-cam.com/video/saAVZAhUNL0/w-d-xo.html
Here's my 2 cents. I read that when visitors/tourists would visit the Apache Geronimo, some would ask if he regretted some of the atrocities he committed. He was said to have replied that he had trouble sleeping because he would see the faces of the children he had killed. After an attack in which the Apache had captured 2 teenage boys, they reached enough distance where the chief gave the order to his 2 second-in-commands to kill the 2 teenagers. They went to the back of the raiding party where the two boys were being held and released them. It's speculated why but nothing happened to the 2 second-in-commands.
It's interesting that the most plentiful places (California, in particular) also had the most peaceful tribes. The more rugged and barren places were far more war-like for obvious reasons. Some tribes were cannibalistic, others were devoted to raiding for survival and subjugation. Anyone who wants to paint the white man as the ultimate evil without acknowledging that both sides were more or less savage is a new trend in education. Both sides were the same, but one had guns, germs, and steel. Nod to Jared Diamond.
This is basically the case for every tribal/hunter gatherer or nomadic society. The conditions of their homelands would shape their attitude towards violence and war. I mean technically this is also the case for any civilisation, think how violence is accepted today in developed countries compared to less developed nations.
Both sides were hardly the same. White America broke too many treaties to ever be considered honourable. Adding insult to villainy was the forced re-location of tribes: Trail of Tears. White Britain created the first Concentration camps in South Africa during the Second Anglo-Boer War. Having lost the First War, Lord Alfred Kitchener proposed to Queen Victoria, his 'scorched earth' policy, to ensure victory over the Boers. He basically rounded up all Boer women, children, old men and Black farm workers, slaughtered the livestock and burnt crops to the ground. This stopped any supplies reaching the guerillas. The sheer number of women and children who died in the camps, many from starvation and medical neglect eventually forced capitulation. It was after the war that details of the camps were revealed. Suffice to say, white empire was and remains, the ultimate evil .
@@tacopie310 LOL, no offense dude, but you are confusing "most capable" with "most evil." Evil is evil. Capability is power projection. If the Commanches had the best technology, they wouldv'e done exactly what they did what what they had. Many native americans from alaska to south america were cannibals, woman beaters, child abusers, etc. I have no sympathy for any non-living humans. I simply try to understand their context and see how to improve from there. Stop jerking off animals and mischaracterizing history. I bet you dont cry for (list of millions of peoples) who have died out. I bet you don't cry for all the slaves of the Indians, who bought black people and happily killed other tribes. Honestly, you sound just as dumb as conservatives.
.....Chief Seattle wiped every single tribe.in my band, the Chimikuan. Only q tribe left with a bit over 2000 people called the Quileute. Remember that even the most "peaceful" of tribes understood a necessary evil. Even PNW natives known for being green peace before green peace.
I read a biography of Kit Carson . I read that on one occasion , smiling Comanches cut out a captives liver , then ate it raw while the dying victim watched .
The only thing that saved Lee's life when he was captured was his pocket watch's alarm feature. Something to remember the next time you go shopping for survival gear. ;-)
*“Comanches put the prisoner to work digging a hole, telling him they needed it for a religious ceremony. When the captive, using a knife and his hands, had completed digging a pit about five feet deep, they bound him with rope, placed him in it, filled the hole with dirt, packing it around his body and exposed head. They then scalped him and cut off his ears, nose, lips, and eyelids. Leaving him bleeding, they rode away, counting on the sun and insects to finish their work for them. Later, back at their encampment, they told the story as an excellent joke, one which gained them a certain celebrity throughout the tribe.”* - *Stanley Noyes, **_Los Comanches, The Horse People 1751 -- 1845_** (1993)*
The Matamoros you pointed to on the map is directly south of Corpus Christi about 100 miles as the crow flies on the gulf side of modern day Mexico and nowhere near Baja California. And if any Corpus Christi resident were to hear you say "some town called corpus christi...". It wouldn't be good.
It was a silly mistake. I misread Lee’s story. I thought he had said he traveled west from Corpus Christie to Matamoros is California. In reality in traveled from Corpus Christie to Matamoros then west toward California. I thought he meant a different spot. Careless error but not overly important to the story.
Living at the southern end of Comanche territory, I’m painfully aware of the cruelty of those nomads. They were just a cruel to other tribes. Many tribes here in Texas helped track the Comanche and shut them down. They were magnificent horsemen, but a malignancy on the areas they roamed. There are historic markers throughout Texas Hill Country marking several events. The first Mayor of Fredericksburg, TX actually was the only emigrant to sign a treaty with the Comanche. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meusebach%E2%80%93Comanche_Treaty
From a Comanche, our methods were so violent and awful because we were tribe conscious of what had and was occurring to the peaceful peoples of the west and east coasts. These civilized tribes with their constitutions and written languages weren’t respected or had their treaties honored, so why would the plains tribe behave honorably? I do not condone the behavior in regards to the murder of children and babies, that much is wrong. But from the other side- the Comanche knew and did know for quite sometime about the atrocities happening elsewhere. We knew what was to happen to us if we peacefully surrendered… and in a way our brutality gave us more in the end than some others. That’s history. I just Hope that both Europeans, natives, African Americans, Hispanics, and East Asians, all the peoples of the world- can learn from the past and make a promise to do better.
Do you have any idea or speculation as to what happened to the watch? My assumption is that the Comanches were in possession of it when Lee made a run for it. It would make a great museum piece.
S C Gwynne's book is fantastic, IMHO. Attacking the Comanche probably saved Lee's life. The Comanche respected captives who fought back. 6:12 "The Cherokee" or "the Comanche?" This video was well done. thank you!
".... 1858, at the East coast, writing a book, Lee never has to worry of serious violence breaking out ever again" ;)) Love the irony of your last remark.
As a Native American myself I love these accounts as they destroy the myth of the noble savage. It brings into clear focus the reason why it took Europeans four hundred years to tame the west. Yes we were noble but we were also brutal we loved our tribes and our people but we are people and people can be inhuman to each other. We living in the modern times should remember this so we never repeat it.
I’m Mexican Guatemalan but my dad comes from the K’iche people of the mayans which is in Guatemala, I also love pages like these because I get to learn more about my people throughout the americas even tho we come from different regions of America we are still the same people, our languages and some of our cultures are the same but different in the same time
The Great Plains were especially hard to tame. Real tough groups like the Apache and Comanche lived there and the lack of water and timber made it really difficult to settle.
400 years? .... dude, what calendar do you use? 🤣 try 100, 125 tops
@@nathanielovaughn2145 you're an idiot the first Spanish landings in the Yucatan peninsula started in 1502 the last Native American uprising was in Utah in 1923, that's over 420 years. Math you no understando???
@@nathanielovaughn2145 does the year 1492 say anything to you?
"...never has to worry about serious violence breaking out ever again." Sad comment on human nature. Excellent summation. Thank you.
As a teenager I was quite interested in tales of the American frontier. At one point I remember reading a book of short histories of the Indian Wars. One story in particular I wish I'd never read was about an American Army officer who was captured sometime in the early 1800's by an Iroquois war party. His own small band of soldiers had been killed during an ambush and he was the only survivor. The story was related by a French trapper who was friendly to the Iroquois in that area, but had no love for the Americans or British. Long story short, the Iroquois braves decided to burn the American alive. When the trapper told the officer that his fate was to be burned, he stated that he "would attempt to bear it bravely", but the trapper told him that it would be nowhere near a quick death, as the Iroquois truly enjoyed the spectacle of burning their captives slowly on a bed of coals where they would tie a man's hands behind his back and then rope him by his neck to a pole, but leave his feet and legs free. Then they'd watch him dance as he'd slowly roast to death over coals with just enough rope to allow him to put part of his body out of the intense heat, but not all of it. This led to a man "favoring" various parts of his body as the rest of him roasted in various places until the thousands of twists and turns to obtain some relief had finally caused every part of the man's surface to become charred, with the exception of his face and head; at which point the Iroquois would shove him to the ground and heap hot coals on his head to finish the deed. The "fun" was to see how long they could keep a man alive during this ordeal. The trapper related that it took this particular officer a day and a half to finally expire. I still have trouble grasping this level of evil and the knowledge that the native peoples of the Americas had been dealing out this sort of treatment to their rivals long before Europeans appeared on the scene has since destroyed any naive ideas of the "Noble Indigenous Peoples" B.S. you might hear from supremely ignorant people in our modern era.
Geez that's horrific, I kinda wish I could unlearn that now lol
And the Iroquis isnt even close to being the most brutal tribe...
@@nirjhar4803 You ain`t shittin. The Tribes west of the Mississippi were less likely to tolerate any whites. I don`t try to compare what type of torture is used, as any form of torture is insanely cruel. I as an angry and violent young man, at times think about the ways that different cultures or countries used very different forms of harming and brutalizing enemies. My family has fought in EVERY war this country ever fought save the Mexican war. We do not talk about combat in my family as a rule. One truth is known though. Asian countries are the most evil and cruel. I am grateful that I was never a P.O.W. in any country. Always save a round in your sidearm is a rule too.
The bastard desserved. He should stayed in Dublin. If he wasnt invading other people land, he wouldnt find this kind of death.
Reminds me of my Cherokee grandfather telling stories about how "in the old days," the Cherokee would tie their rivals up in wet leather and watch them die as the leather dried over a low fire squeezing them to death. I agree the natives were savages.
Most people are ignorant of the true definition of the word savage. It never meant uncivilized or unintelligent. It means especially brutal or violent. When people called the natives “savages” this is what they were referring to.
BS. It was a term used by colonialists for native peoples (starting in Ireland). It was used to justify colinalisation by dehumanising indegious peoples. Native peoples in Australia were looked on as animals for a while and could be shot.
So the same thing they did to to Indigenous people?
@@caleb_güero "especially brutal or violent". not just any violence u fucking loser.
@@caleb_güero no
@@caleb_güero No, the same things the indians did to other indians as well. Kill, kidnap, enslave, brutalize etc. The same things they did to each other from centuries prior to europeans arriving on the continent.
Nine Years Among The Indians...by Herman Lehmann (captured)....another awesome and eye opening read. Thank you.
Thank you for the recommendation. These stories are incredible.
I love you dry witty humor and the learning experience 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿✊🏿💯‼️
Just found this channel and it's fantastic, the telling of the story is excellent and obviously well researched, thank you.
Thank you for the support. It’s a lot of fun.
@@datesanddeadguys l disagree with Peter Harris, when it comes to the amount of, quote "research", end quote, that you did. lt sounds to me that you just read the book, which l'm sure was highly embellished upon by the author, and made a video about it. Also, if you had any real knowledge about Native American history and cultures, you would have NEVER used the word "squaw" to mean a Native American woman. That's a highly offensive and derogatory term that was made up by some highly offensive white man who saw Native Americans as being less than human 'savages'. lt the equivalent to calling a woman the 'C' word. The type of people who used that term were the type who considered Native American women to be the only thing less human than a Native American man, and were only good for one thing.
I truly appreciate the time you put into this audio was a little off. This is a story that should be told & you did it very well.
Read the book Empire of the Summer Moon, the great Comanche Chief Quanah Parker. It was suppose to be made into a movie but it never happened. Great book, hard to put down once you start reading it. The Comanche were the best light infantry in the world in their time. I'm a Vietnam combat veteran, (173 ABN 1966 1967) one of the guys was 99% Comanche, what guy! After all these years, we lost contact. Read the book about 12 years ago, know why he was so good and fearless. Tool point for guys he felt didn't have it that day. Nothing seemed to bother him, all business for him. He even knew when we were the "hunted!"
Best light cavalry not infantry
@@brucenorman8904: Excuse me !!!! I stand corrected. Being 75 years old, I still remember being Airborne Infantry!
"The Comanche were the best light infantry in the world in their time. "
Because you are familiar with the Mongols, Chinese and every other fighting force in the world at that time?
Trump Univ. School of History?
@@Mark-gg6iy I like your Trump Univ. line, nice to know I'm not the only one who uses it that line!
The Comanches "being the best" was in the book "Empire of the Summer Moon." In the book they were compared to all of them also. You should contact the author how he came up with that. Years ago there was a TV program comparing all types of fighters then and now. The Comanches were rated very high.
In 1966 I received a free ride to attend the University of SEA which stands for South East Asia. The main Campus was located in South Vietnam. Complaments of the US Government. Didn't cost me or my parents a cent. Paid for everything (food, clothing, housing and etc.) plus paid me very little for attending. My two year degree was with the 173 ABN. In 1968 the GI Bill picked up grad school.
The future Dean of Trump U was 4F and to me is still 4F in body and mind.
@@mikej1186 The Commanches might very well be the top of their class for that time period it's just a burr under my saddle when Americans claim something "American" is the best in the world when I doubt a full worldwide, reputable study was done.
I lived in SEA so familiar with the acronym.
Yes, Trump U is my go-to snark.
cheers.
There’s a great book called “Indian Depredations in Texas”, which is every Indian encounter in Texas from 1830ish-1870s.
It’s wild stuff.
These are great stories from the time.
My question when it comes to books like this is, how can we be sure it documents EVERY account.
@@zachthomas5272 surely it’s a bit hard to assume it’s “every account”, but the author seems to have collected various stories(including his brother who survived being scalped) over at least a 40 year period. He seems to have tried to gather as many as he could find and accurately report.
It’s like every cowboy & Indian movie you ever saw.
It’s on Amazon and super cheap for kindle .
Some of them during that time period, not all of them.
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The channel Unworthy History reads from that book.
I love your use of irony, it is the soul of both history and humor!
Thanks for this Incredible history piece!
That is a very high complement. Thank you. It means a lot.
I have a cousin from South Dakota and it was incomprehensible to me that many of their neighbors and friends had ill-will toward Native Americans. We were taught in school they were peaceful, noble and agricultural people--all natives were the victims, and the white men were the brutal ones. When I got older I found my birth mother and found out that I'm part native (my grandmother was Shoshone and creek), and started researching. What we did to the Natives was brutal and horrible. But what the natives did to not only the whites, but Mexicans and other tribes, was horrifically cruel and brutal. The Comanche wiped out an entire tribe--complete genocide. They killed, raped and brutalized indiscriminately. It didn't matter to them if a girl was 12 or 20, they would rape and kill them. I'm not saying the white man was any better in some instances, but at least we realize that raping and killing women is wrong. The Comanche (and Apache) didn't seem to care about "right and wrong" or the concept of morality, or even consider those concepts. Those stories were passed down from generation to generation, about babies bashed to death, and little girls being raped and carted off never to be seen again. If they were called "savages" they earned it. Even fighting for your land and way of life is no excuse for some of the things the Comanche and Apache did to other human beings (slavery probably being the least of their sins and we consider slavery to be the worst, which they often, blatantly engaged in). The concept of the "noble savage" is a lie we were fed in school, not the reality. The reality is the West was utterly brutal in every way, with both sides committing atrocities that, today, would earn you the death sentence by lethal injection.
I can say you are very ignorant in regards to my tribe, the Comanche, and so many more. Morality is a high teaching to Natives, we have story's, and wisdom to how the world works and how those teaching's were given to us to teach our children. I can comfortably say your research is mostly googling thing's, not even checking letter's written from Native chief's to Washington, their speeches recorded in court's, their hand in creating peace or war during a sitting for long periods of time and getting advice from elders, war chiefs, and medicine men. Speaking to their enemies about their disputes and so on. Look up how long it took for eastern tribe's to concluded a decision on war, often including great Britain and French to speak. Preparing food, ceremony, dance etc. For two weeks they would debate and hear all of what everyone thought and wanted to put forth.
@Lavender Raine Never denied it, but pointing out it's embellished with more cruelty by European people than it was, especially when they are the one's telling fake stories like they did during that time. Take a look at each European person you hold in high regard due to history, and see how much they are embellished. Gave them more justification in their minds to do the things they did or to implore others to do so. Like during the Crusades the pope exempting their warriors from sin and to do horrific shit to Muslim people in the name of God. You will see the pattern for each time European people come into contact with new people in the world. They will describe them as barbaric, make up heathen ritual's to justify a holy or rightous war, and take Land on that justification.
It was tough times with horrible people on all sides
What you said about morality is spot on. When people are trying to be fair they love saying “Both the whites and native Americans committed atrocities” True, but you’ve got to consider if an atrocity (torture, rape) happened, how did the society respond? If the society supported and even cheered torture and rape, without any protest, it deserves condemnation, period. I’ll let anyone reading this (all 3 of you) to draw your own conclusions.
@@Frisbinator Think about how many Americans will respond by saying their ancestor's raped and killed Natives and be proud of it. Think about the Church that was implemented that headed management of Natives and their children, and often raped, molested, and beat those children in church or at boarding schools. Still have a pedophile problem in Christian church to this day. It's sickening those things yet society accepted them or turned a blind eye. But Don't worry I'll let you guy's go back to your White American echo chambers of what you want to hear and tell each other.
Supremely entertaining and well-done!
I appreciate that, thank you.
Excellent. First time here. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks.
Goes to show: cruelty, evil, and generally being an asshole are equal opportunity human traits.
but its only talked about nowadays if its white on "insert anyone not white"
Good way to end up murdered
@@nicholaspowroznick4322 as a white man, I see that too. But I think we have grown a bit as a species. Just the advent of social media allows people’s from all over the world to “sit on a collective couch” and discuss the direction our culture is going- whether trolling smart asses or serious discussions. Seems it is in its infancy right now, but I can already see 2 main sides are forming. One side is darkness, hate, manipulation- like these olden times where humans are very animalistic. The other side, which is growing out of the ashes of the currently burning down of culture, is the side of light, compassion, respect, and responsibility. I think within 2 generations, most of this racial and gender nonsense will be looked back on and laughed at- “when we were still barbarians”
Relativism is cancer.
LOL....so true
Just found your site, as a youg man I grew up watching old time cowboys and Indians and now as a older man I am coming to discover my knowledge of those times are greatly flawed on both sides. looking forward for more videos. Thanks stay safe from newfoundland and labrador Canada.
Love your humor, dude! Great job and keep them coming.
It’s pretty amazing that the hunters were so willing to help him. Great story. I look forward to more videos!
This channel is going to blow up
I appreciate it. It’s growing fast.
awesome video. couldnt stop listening
Most Indians lived by the sword and then were put to the sword…this is the way it goes. The history with no punches pulled and excellent narration with quotes injected effectively makes this a first rate account. People who do not understand the movement of peoples need to understand “Entropy” and the universal presence of it from molecules to tribes or even bands of humans. Nothing is stagnant is this universe.
We live in a very peaceful time relative to the past and I am very grateful. I appreciate the high praise.
Native American*
@@threeoneoh6406 what makes them native?
@@TROll-oe9ng because we’re native to this land, like it’s really not that hard to understand and also we’re not Indians, we don’t come from India my boy
@@threeoneoh6406 I never called you an Indian to start. But didn’t these people supposedly emigrate across a land or ice bridge across the Bering strait? So, I ask again, what makes them native?
Just a suggestion, to improve the audio, hang heavy sheets or blankets all the way around you. It'll cut down on the echo. Bedtimes Stories does the same thing and it sounds really good. Granted, they probably have a really good mike, but they don't use a soundbooth but it still sounds like they do. Enjoyed the story, hope you have some more coming soon!
Thanks for the tip. I bought a mic the other day but hadn’t considered anything else to dampen the echo.
Really enjoyed this. Thank you.
The reason they were willing to make it across the Comanche range was because the Comanche were a relatively small tribe, and the range was huge and the Comanche tended to stay to the north east toward Oklahoma. Certain bands did go in other directions but these were raiding parties looking for loot etc.
Great narration with some tongue in cheek humor!
Wonderful channel mate. I really hope it goes far these topics are right up my street. Brilliant stuff you deserve more my friend 🙂👍
I appreciate it. I’m doing my best. More to come.
Him getting married & gaining their trust after what they put him through is the craziest part to me. I guess they believed that they had either broken him or gotten him to see himself as a part of their tribe; not exactly the wisest move from the Comanche, but then again this is also a dude who went on an expedition through the middle of Comanche territory. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Indeed....lol
@@Afrologist Your guess about others' 'beliefs is the definition of racist prejudice. I guess you believe that you would be broken open and burned alive if you got a library card.
Comanche weren't noble, just savage. Even the Apache feared them, or were at least wary. Theirs was a culture of sadists. Hopefully today's tribal members are a bit more mellow.
They're still mean as shit.
We call them the Comanche "Siŋtéȟla Oyáte" (Rattlesnake Nation)
@@chetawitko1886 "rattlesnake" is an interesting name and loaded with meaning. Why do you call them that?
@@mdelizabeth3069Our tribe has lots of mythology and a creation myth (debatable amongst the different bands) centered around snakes. Snakes are sacred and feared animals in our culture.
Nazis were savages 2.0
Hey ,the episodes on the Native American are truly inspiring,especially the ones with the Apaches ,please more of those,more on that amazing culture and history,much love,oren
I enjoyed your video. I look forward to many more.
I appreciate that. The Comanche were a different bunch. It definitely drew my attention.
Thanks for the video. Another fascinating story is that of Simon Kenton's capture by the Shawnee. Trafficked from village to village as a great prize he was forced to run the gauntlet 9 times and survived.
Thank you. I read about that in my research for this video. Simon Kenton is an intriguing figure along with a bunch of frontiersman. I had already anticipated picking a book up on him at some point if you have any recommendations.
@@datesanddeadguys The Frontiersman by Allan Eckert holds an incredibly detailed account of his capture. I would recommend anything by Eckert if you're interested in the expansion into the Northwest Territory between like 1750 - 1820. "Follow the River" by Thom is another incredible escape story.
Awesome. Frontiersman is already on my audible wish list. I appreciate it.
@@datesanddeadguys The Frontiersman by Allan Eckert is excellent, and That Dark And Bloody River by the same author is also excellent. You won't be sorry, but they both are long reads. Great writing and well researched facts make them worthwhile. You might change your mind, or at least add a few tribes to the list of most brutal Indians. The atrocities of some of the settlers is very equal in brutality within the books. Those were some hardy peoples back then, Indian and settler alike!
@@datesanddeadguys Also, great video. I enjoyed it.
Great account very well written and spoken . You deserve more followers bro .
That’s very kind. When I made this video I had about 20 subscribers. It’s growing.
My great grandmother Tomasa, was captured by the Comanches. Later sold to the Mexicans. She then escaped with her brother and found her way back to the Tribe.
That’s an eventful life! How has your family been able to preserve that story?
Is her story published?
Please share more of your grandmothers story. I’m black and like most black people my ancestors were slaves, but not just to white Americans, also to the Cherokee. My dad has a picture of some of our ancestors, and we even know the name of one of them. I did some research and was appalled at how brutal they were treated. I also found a bunch of documented first hand accounts on line from black slaves that were owned by Native American tribes and they were all very similar to my family’s story.
Really cool channel, very interestingly done.
A guy called willie mckay who was born near maghera in Northern Ireland was also captured. There's a book about him called 'beyond the wild missouri' it tells the story of how he eventually became chief of the tride. I live about a mile from where he was born
Wild stuff
There was never a Caucasian that was Chief of my Nation.
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 well your greatest chief was half white,close enough
@@religionisatragedy8537
I'm not white at all.
And I'm the Chief
-COMANCHE NATION
So glad k just found your channel. Thanks so much. I'm from Idaho so she have a lot of Shoshone and bannock natives here
Happy you like it!
Matamoros Mexico is south of Brownsville TX, directly across the border. Cynthia Ann Parker is my cousin, her father trekked to TX & my grandfather established the Parker-Hickman Homestead. the Homestead is now part of the Buffalo River National Park.
VW Star, Cynthia Ann Parker is my cousin too. My brother has a book that has a few stories of the family. Cynthia and her son Quanna are in the book. My grandfather and mother are also in the book.
Y'all familiar with Crowell Tx?
You and me are probably distantly related and cousins.
The similarities of the Viking culture, eight hundred years earlier in Europe are astounding.
The only way the Comanche could be overcome was the post civil war union government paid to slaughter all of the Buffalo.
William Tecumseh Sherman led the Indian wars and wiped out their food source as he had done to the confederates in the south.
(Odd that his middle name was after a Shawnee chief who was known as a peace keeper)
The colt revolver played a massive role too. Standard muzzle loaders didn’t offer much advantage to a bow once a shot was fired but when Texas rangers started to have a bunch of chambered rounds the technology changed the way fighting took place.
On the other hand, during the Civil War Union officers paid the Plains tribes to steal Texas cattle. The cattle raids in question numbered in the hundreds or thousands, and were sometimes being seen taken south, fueling speculation that they were being sold in Mexico. These numbers far exceeded needs for nourishment, at that time, anyway. This was a factor in the conflicts that occurred afterwards.
To check this, read the local histories of counties in central Texas, and the family histories of the ranch owners.
@@datesanddeadguys, before repeating arms were brought in, an Indian with bow and arrow had a weapon advantage over a soldier with a gun.
Sherman was a sadistic brute. But, since he was a Union soldier, his big statue still stands in D.C.
I don’t think the famous Shawnee leader, Tecumseh, was ever known a peace keeper, but rather a staunch advocate of his people.
Thoroughly enjoyed. Love history ❤️
The phrase " A fate worse than death", comes from this period of American history. It`s how
the settlers described being captured by The Comanche.
The phrase is pure fantasy, or speculation at best, when it come to death.
Gibbon’s 1781 ‘Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire’.
@@tomeggleston367 The phrase from Gibbon`s work is "The matrons and virgins of Rome were exposed to injuries more dreadful, in the apprehension of chastity, than death itself." This phrase is not the same as " A fate worse than death",
which is how settlers in 1800`s Texas described being taken by The Comanche.
@@jimred5700 - agreed that Gibbon first wrote of the concept (if not the word-for-word phrase in use today). But do you have any evidence/examples then for your claim that 'The phrase "A fate worse than death", comes from this period of American history.'? Word-for-word , Jim.
@@tomeggleston367 Tom....there WAS no "concept", that is the point. There is NO connection between what Gibbon
wrote and what the settlers said /experienced in Texas 100 years later. Gibbon was referring to an Historical concept as he
perceived it to be. The settlers in 1800`s Texas were describing something that happened on a weekly / monthly basis.
Make NO mistake Tom,..........The Comanche could SOON make ANYONE aware of the difference between historical reference and reality. THAT is why the Texas Rangers came into being,.......THEY were tough,...............NOT in the same
league as the Comanche,......but nevertheless............seriously tough cookies.
Love this. A wealth of fascinating information. Thank you.
Very informative, and well done. ( learned a lot!). Note: Add background textiles or sound absorption materials to the surrounding area and that will get rid of one warehouse, tinny sound on the audio (cheap also). Really enjoyed it otherwise and will subscribe!
This was so interesting especially coming from South Africa where we mainly have seen and heard about the Native Americans via film.
I laughed when you mentioned about serious violence breaking out again and the Civil War. Poor Lee, can't catch a break.
Surprised this popped up. Glad it did. Keep it up and you’ll do great. I’d get yourself a dedicated mic and run with it.
I love the support. I actually bought a mic the other day. Next video should be done in about two weeks and will sound a lot better.
All I can say is the native Americans definitely had some of the best names ever like this big wolf, rolling thunder, crazy horse, sitting Bull, Geronimo, God I love these names .
A Kiowa chief had the absolute coolest name ever- “Lone Wolf.”
@@saintultra2737 - Comanche Chief Buffalo Hump (Po-cha-na-quar-hip), translated means "erection that won't go down."
@@z-z-z-zKnow how Geronimo got his name in adulthood?
Check it out, that wasn’t always his name. Which was pretty typical in a lot of tribes, being given a name as a child, and being bestowed another as a man.
Geronimo gave himself the name, though. Little different, a man worth remembering.
My 2nd great grandmother Elizabeth Hayley was kidnapped by the Comanche when she was 11 years old
During the civil war. Here family didn’t have the money to pay their ransom until a year after the war ended
She was 14 years. In history books her nickname was Squirrel tooth Alice.
Thank you for that.
Lmao. Did the Cherokee name her Squirrel tooth?
Freda How are you doing hope you're fine and staying safe?
wait what's a "2nd" great grandmother?
@@brianhankins9992 My Grandmother’s Grandmother. Or my Dad’s Great grandmother. Every generation before your Grandmother you add a great, 1st great grandmother 2nd great grandmother etc.
Great history!
The “Boy captives” is also a good book by Clinton L. Smith that tells of him and his brother being taken captive by the Comanche and the years that followed.
There are an incredible amount of these narratives that survive and a ton to learn from them.
i would love a video like this on the history of the native Americans rite b4 and the immediate period after the spanish came up til the western expansion. seeing those maps was amazing as well. little known period id love to learn about. also the eastern usa when it was primarily natives ofand that history. i know it's prob not documented but I can hope 🤣.
I just finished a really fun book on this called “The First Frontier” by Scott Weidensaul. It talks a lot about it. My next video (probably two weeks until its done) is kind of about this topic. I’m researching Francisco de Orellana’s first journey down the Amazon and his experiences with the uncontacted people. The research has been a trip and If what was reported is true there is an amazing amount history has forgotten.
Another good one is the Olive Oatman story.
Clinton L. Smith was my great-grandfather. I was raised by his son, Allen Smith, my grandfather, and grew up hearing lots of stories about my great-grandfather both while a captive and in his latter years. Growing up I knew three of his sons and two of his daughters in addition to my grandfather. Several of his grandchildren are still alive, as is a daughter-in-law. The point his, these stories are not ancient history and continue to influence our Texas culture. After reading Empire of the Summer Moon, I realized that my great-grandfather's book is very much the PG version of these Indian stories, probably because, as my great-grandfather hinted in his book, many of his compadres where still alive when his book was published. When asked if he ever killed a white man while with the Comanches, he would only say, "I was an Indian."@@datesanddeadguys
My only complaint is your vocal audio. Too much "echo" from your surroundings in that room. Different acoustics? Different microphone?
Mic is the problem. It’s being fixed.
Hey maybe I heard this incorrectly but at about 6:12 mark your talking about the trip after they Comanche raided the camp. You then said the Cherokee taunted them with their tomahawks still bloodied from the night before. I think you mistakenly said Cherokee instead of Comanche.
I misspoke. I actually caught it in editing, but at the time the channel had something like 16 subscribers and I lazily decided a mistake like that wouldn’t be noticed by the 20 viewers it got. I have tried to be more mindful since.
@@datesanddeadguys Wow such integrity in broadcasting
Hey bro hard to hear you with the echo
comanche are one of the reasons my people cry "stolen land"...because tribes like that were so cruel we couldnt come together. It's not all your guys' fault. Maybe the creator sent you guys here as punishment for us not living in harmony with one another. Look at us now. So many tribes from around the world and that's pretty awesome. I'd be considered a custer scout right about now ha
No matter how you put it we didn’t deserve to loose two entire continents worth of land.
@@rubinortiz2311 We have to stop looking behind us, or else we're just gonna keep tripping. Past is there to learn from. Not live in.
@@rubinortiz2311 Then stop using the white man's inventions and language. Stop eating the white man's food. Stop taking the white man's money. Can't be any more clear than that.
Im okay with what america has progressed into. What im not cool with is how we suddenly became second class citizens on our native land.
none of it was our fault !!.. fault doesn't even enter into the equation.
"A broad hands width......that'll work"
Love the delivery.
Will be watchin, thankya.
Great content👍
Love to hear it. Thank you for the kind words!
Where do you live? I am an academic dean and would love to hire you to teach history at my University!!
That’s a very kind thing to say. I’m definitely not qualified. But I currently live in South Carolina.
To Los Lobos's point...all peoples across the globe have had their various histories of warfare, slavery , cruelty. The Native Americans were busy fighting each other....as were the Europeans, Africans, Asians etc. at the time of discovery and conquest. The Iroquois were wiping out tribes in the east, the Comanche establishing their lands in the southern plains, the Aztec and Inca had established dominance over tribute tribes.
And now in these days different gangs ,political groups,news outlets,ect are trying to stir up race wars in the United States. If you can get people to hate each other you ,they will become weak by the decision. Therefore easier to conquer their Land.
Empire of the Summer Moon is an awesome read.
Matamoros is in Mexico, just south across the border from Brownsville, Tx. This makes sense if Lee was headed out of Corpus Christi. Distance between the 2 cities is 167 miles.
Awesome video.....
On his escape, his limbs swelling and weakness, poor wound healing, are lesser known scurvy symptoms.
great job......& love the satire...
I like your work but, the microphone echo is horrendous, you can correct this by suspending carpet vertically behind the camera and by using audio foam. Well researched, just very poor audio.
I bought a microphone the other day. Hopefully the next one will sound better. Thank you.
I Read the book about this many many Years ago. A very well told and detailed account. Totally fascinating, very hard to put down. How some of the women were kind to him and very beautiful. Some tears when he was traded to others.
Terrific story telling.
Thank you very much.
Great video but there was a bit of echo in the sound made it a little hard to hear.
From numerous different sources I have read the name "Comanche" is a Ute tribe word with three different but similar meanings: 1) Enemy of everyone 2) Enemy forever 3) He who wants to fight me all the time. In any case, the name alone would make it advisable to avoid these savages.
I did Ancestry when I retired from 30+ yrs as a USPS letter carrier
& found out my family is part NativeAmerican Comanche .... & told that it was probably the result of rape. I have been reading everything I can find on the Comanche for a decade now. Genocide of all NativeAmerican tribes is the reason for any 'savagery' imo....& all treaties were lies & were never honored. I find it puzzling that comments like yours are usually one sided & blame shifting. A'HO! Part NativeAmerican Comache ❄️🌎❄️
@@johnstallings4049 Whether you find it "puzzling" or not is meaningless. My family tree has a strong Cherokee background, and I recognize the horrors inflicted upon those tribes who were peaceful. However, most of the Great Lakes tribes, the Plains tribes, and the Southwest tribes were extremely violent and war-like. They were killing each other long before Europeans ever hit the shores of North America. They weren't called "savages" just because they lived in tee-pees or mud huts. They earned that term because they used human torture as entertainment.
@@donjet5371"Meaningless".... like the US does in Gauntemino Bay & did in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc. .... Colonists have no stones to throw in any case. ❄️😶❄️🌎❄️
@@johnstallings4049 What an absolutely idiotic reply. Stop making a fool of yourself.
@@johnstallings4049 drink this 🍼you’ll feel better 🤦😂😂
Excellent channel!!
You mean to tell me that the beloved Native American can also be both evil and murderous?! Well hot-dignity-dog…
Calm down Nigel calm down
@@billpugh58 I’m so calm, if I took LSD I’d hear Lawrence Welk… 💊
Awesome episode
Very well done Sir.
Kayla How are you doing hope you're fine and staying safe?
@@kelvindickson5675 I am indeed..hope you are too.
really enjoyed your summary of this interesting account/book. Thanks, great job
Well done!
Matamoros is in the state of Tampico, Baja California is in the Pacific Coast BTW
Also, fun fact, "Matamoros" means killer of Muslims. I guess it was an honor bestowed to Spaniards who distinguished in battle against Maroccans?
This is one of the bigger knucklehead mistakes I have made on the channel. I misread the Nelson’s book. He traveled south to Matamoros before heading west. I read it as he was traveling west to Matamoros and assumed there must be another one. Thank you!
I like to hear more of these stories are there any more like this?
I have made some things on similar topics. The one closest in time period and content is probably my video on Lewis Wetzel, a frontiersman from the Ohio Valley in the late 1700s who was known for fighting and killing Native Americans. I’ll link it below if you would like to take a look. A lot of my recent videos have been around Early American history from the time of exploration an conquest.
th-cam.com/video/saAVZAhUNL0/w-d-xo.html
@@datesanddeadguys Thanks i appreciate it....
Here's my 2 cents. I read that when visitors/tourists would visit the Apache Geronimo, some would ask if he regretted some of the atrocities he committed. He was said to have replied that he had trouble sleeping because he would see the faces of the children he had killed.
After an attack in which the Apache had captured 2 teenage boys, they reached enough distance where the chief gave the order to his 2 second-in-commands to kill the 2 teenagers. They went to the back of the raiding party where the two boys were being held and released them. It's speculated why but nothing happened to the 2 second-in-commands.
It's interesting that the most plentiful places (California, in particular) also had the most peaceful tribes. The more rugged and barren places were far more war-like for obvious reasons. Some tribes were cannibalistic, others were devoted to raiding for survival and subjugation. Anyone who wants to paint the white man as the ultimate evil without acknowledging that both sides were more or less savage is a new trend in education. Both sides were the same, but one had guns, germs, and steel. Nod to Jared Diamond.
This is basically the case for every tribal/hunter gatherer or nomadic society. The conditions of their homelands would shape their attitude towards violence and war. I mean technically this is also the case for any civilisation, think how violence is accepted today in developed countries compared to less developed nations.
Both sides were hardly the same.
White America broke too many treaties to ever be considered honourable.
Adding insult to villainy was the forced re-location of tribes: Trail of Tears.
White Britain created the first Concentration camps in South Africa during the Second Anglo-Boer War.
Having lost the First War,
Lord Alfred Kitchener proposed to Queen Victoria, his 'scorched earth' policy, to ensure victory over the Boers.
He basically rounded up all Boer women, children, old men and Black farm workers,
slaughtered the livestock and burnt crops to the ground.
This stopped any supplies reaching the guerillas.
The sheer number of women and children who died in the camps, many from starvation and medical neglect eventually forced capitulation.
It was after the war that details of the camps were revealed.
Suffice to say, white empire was and remains, the ultimate evil .
@@tacopie310 LOL, no offense dude, but you are confusing "most capable" with "most evil." Evil is evil. Capability is power projection. If the Commanches had the best technology, they wouldv'e done exactly what they did what what they had. Many native americans from alaska to south america were cannibals, woman beaters, child abusers, etc. I have no sympathy for any non-living humans. I simply try to understand their context and see how to improve from there. Stop jerking off animals and mischaracterizing history. I bet you dont cry for (list of millions of peoples) who have died out. I bet you don't cry for all the slaves of the Indians, who bought black people and happily killed other tribes. Honestly, you sound just as dumb as conservatives.
.....Chief Seattle wiped every single tribe.in my band, the Chimikuan. Only q tribe left with a bit over 2000 people called the Quileute. Remember that even the most "peaceful" of tribes understood a necessary evil. Even PNW natives known for being green peace before green peace.
whos saying white men are evil?
Look at this channel! Wow , uh thank you sir.
Whew. Boy am I glad we eventually took care of those guys!
What a stupid thing to say .you probably agree with Putin's murderous genocide in ukraine.
💉☠️ RIP USA
We are still here, just more civilized.
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@@samuelsanchez1723still here, savage yet civilized, and strong. The people are still here and frankly doing very well.
Dude had a hot comanche wife with a golden brown tan and swimmer's body and threw it all away.
I read a biography of Kit Carson . I read that on one occasion , smiling Comanches cut out a captives liver , then ate it raw while the dying victim watched .
They must have been really hungry.
@@BipolarAyatollah I'm assuming so . I like cooked liver and onions .
@@tommurphree5630 Me, I like onions. 😁
For future videos try upping the volume. This is sub audible and needs closed caption to understand. But good job otherwise on the editing!
Thanks for the tip. I think I have the sound worked out more or less in my more recent videos.
Just a guess, but being captured by the Comanches was probably not a very pleasant experience.
Soldiers probably saved the last bullets for themselves
I would wager your your guess is correct.
Excellent history lesson. Please fix your audio. Your audio has an echo and the volume is on the low side.
Thank you. It has taken some time but I think I have the audio worked out in my last two videos.
The only thing that saved Lee's life when he was captured was his pocket watch's alarm feature. Something to remember the next time you go shopping for survival gear. ;-)
Cool story it’s so amazing and I’m glad I’m here today with all these crazies but it’s really violent
*“Comanches put the prisoner to work digging a hole, telling him they needed it for a religious ceremony. When the captive, using a knife and his hands, had completed digging a pit about five feet deep, they bound him with rope, placed him in it, filled the hole with dirt, packing it around his body and exposed head. They then scalped him and cut off his ears, nose, lips, and eyelids. Leaving him bleeding, they rode away, counting on the sun and insects to finish their work for them. Later, back at their encampment, they told the story as an excellent joke, one which gained them a certain celebrity throughout the tribe.”* - *Stanley Noyes, **_Los Comanches, The Horse People 1751 -- 1845_** (1993)*
why is it then I did not see this in "dances with wolves"? thank god we defeated these torturous savages.
Because Hollywood doesn’t care for facts.
@@jaysilverheals4445 "Dances with wolves' the protagonist tribe were Lakota, no Commanche were portrayed in the movie.
They sound like the loser cartel who make videos of torturing to death other cartel. Losers who can't hold down real jobs. Contribute nothing...
Yikes. Imagine the insanity the victim would suffer when his torturers rode away
I *Loved* your closing sentence! Talk about Irony....
The Matamoros you pointed to on the map is directly south of Corpus Christi about 100 miles as the crow flies on the gulf side of modern day Mexico and nowhere near Baja California. And if any Corpus Christi resident were to hear you say "some town called corpus christi...". It wouldn't be good.
It was a silly mistake. I misread Lee’s story. I thought he had said he traveled west from Corpus Christie to Matamoros is California. In reality in traveled from Corpus Christie to Matamoros then west toward California. I thought he meant a different spot. Careless error but not overly important to the story.
Great channel
Channels been getting a fair bit of compliments the last few days. It’s genuinely appreciated. Thank you.
Living at the southern end of Comanche territory, I’m painfully aware of the cruelty of those nomads.
They were just a cruel to other tribes. Many tribes here in Texas helped track the Comanche and shut them down.
They were magnificent horsemen, but a malignancy on the areas they roamed.
There are historic markers throughout Texas Hill Country marking several events.
The first Mayor of Fredericksburg, TX actually was the only emigrant to sign a treaty with the Comanche.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meusebach%E2%80%93Comanche_Treaty
From a Comanche, our methods were so violent and awful because we were tribe conscious of what had and was occurring to the peaceful peoples of the west and east coasts. These civilized tribes with their constitutions and written languages weren’t respected or had their treaties honored, so why would the plains tribe behave honorably? I do not condone the behavior in regards to the murder of children and babies, that much is wrong.
But from the other side- the Comanche knew and did know for quite sometime about the atrocities happening elsewhere. We knew what was to happen to us if we peacefully surrendered… and in a way our brutality gave us more in the end than some others.
That’s history. I just
Hope that both Europeans, natives, African Americans, Hispanics, and East Asians, all the peoples of the world- can learn from the past and make a promise to do better.
You need to turn up your volume. I have my volume almost maxed out and can barely hear.
Do you have any idea or speculation as to what happened to the watch? My assumption is that the Comanches were in possession of it when Lee made a run for it. It would make a great museum piece.
I don’t. Lee doesn’t mention it after his escape
Very informative, but the audio could be improved.
S C Gwynne's book is fantastic, IMHO. Attacking the Comanche probably saved Lee's life. The Comanche respected captives who fought back.
6:12 "The Cherokee" or "the Comanche?"
This video was well done. thank you!
Great information and presentation. Really poor audio.
This should be a movie.
".... 1858, at the East coast, writing a book, Lee never has to worry of serious violence breaking out ever again" ;))
Love the irony of your last remark.
Great stuff -- just give this man a better microphone, please.
The microphone is fine. The problem is the room acoustics.
Touché to that last comment