Apache Prisoner | What it's Like to be Kidnapped by the Most TERRIFYING Indian Tribe

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  • @superdrunkdnb
    @superdrunkdnb ปีที่แล้ว +247

    What separates your videos in a really positive way to other productions is that you don't put in annoying sound effects to create fake tension. The tension comes naturally from the super interesting storys.
    I also like the slight hint of ambient music in the back. Keep it up! I'm excited for your next uploads!

    • @RemoWilliams1227
      @RemoWilliams1227 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I agree!

    • @ronnetteharvey2002
      @ronnetteharvey2002 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I am in total agreement. It was so much easier to really get involved emotionally and hold that feeling. I have skipped videos from annoying music that I didn't think matched the level of tension.
      This was truly a good way to do the reading.

    • @bigpapapamnamor2545
      @bigpapapamnamor2545 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      he also doesnt link sources :( dislike

  • @hectormunoz6052
    @hectormunoz6052 ปีที่แล้ว +232

    It's very ironic and at the same time Poetic that , quanah Parker adopted him and eventually helped him reunite with his family . This might be the most interesting and amazing story that I have ever read about .

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I did my best to do it justice, but the Lehmann’s book, Nine Years Among the Indians, is wonderful. I highly recommend it. If you have an audible subscription, it is included in the membership. If you read e-books, you can find it for like $3. I left a lot out to condense the story.

    • @thechiefwildhorse4651
      @thechiefwildhorse4651 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Quanah Parker was not Apache and no Indigenous People didn't adopt anyone
      -COMANCHE NATION

    • @CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC707
      @CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC707 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Quanah Parker was half white himself!

    • @thechiefwildhorse4651
      @thechiefwildhorse4651 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC707
      That's a complete made up story by European people because Quanah so so educated.
      Whites try to say the same thing about me because I'm so much more brilliant than any Caucasian alive.
      -COMANCHE NATION

    • @thechiefwildhorse4651
      @thechiefwildhorse4651 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Conway Twitter
      Parkers mother was never captive.
      Another European made up Trumps getting arrested.
      -COMANCHE NATION

  • @krenekkennels8796
    @krenekkennels8796 ปีที่แล้ว +242

    9 years among the Indians is an excellent book, one of my favorites. I believe it should be required reading in school. Had to like the video before I even watched! Keep up the good work!!

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +11

      That book is so fun. There was so much awesome stuff I cut out and the video is still 27 minutes.

    • @kennethd9344
      @kennethd9344 ปีที่แล้ว

      -(8((! Dig
      Born 1:13 n1895(

    • @deemae5868
      @deemae5868 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A very good book!

    • @adoe2305
      @adoe2305 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I agree. Instead of the woke bs revisionist they read about now.

    • @felixmadison5736
      @felixmadison5736 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Gov. DeSantis removed this book from book shelves in libraries and schools in Florida.

  • @tracytomlinson3409
    @tracytomlinson3409 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I love anything true that has to do with Native Americans. Wonderful presentation and narration. Thank you so much for your dedication to this work of preserving history.

  • @DerGlaetze
    @DerGlaetze ปีที่แล้ว +416

    This would make an incredible movie.

    • @jaygee2759
      @jaygee2759 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      A man called horse... Richard harris..

    • @mikeansley5306
      @mikeansley5306 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Hondo - John Wayne

    • @stevenmontgomery8117
      @stevenmontgomery8117 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      A man called horse

    • @irelandtatum3300
      @irelandtatum3300 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I feel like Disney will be butchering it soon

    • @EugeneSSmith
      @EugeneSSmith ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@jaygee2759 I though the natives were Sioux? !

  • @dougearnest7590
    @dougearnest7590 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    There is an interesting "Whites captured by Indians connection" here. For those who don't know, Quanah Parker was the son of Cynthia Ann Parker, who had been kidnapped at 9 years of age by the Comanche and eventually fully intigrated into the tribe and married a Comanche Chief (Peta Nocona - Quanah's father). From the Wikipedia article: " As a tribute to his great affection to her, he never took another wife, although it was traditional for chieftains to have several wives."
    Her story was much more tragic as she never assimilated back into White society after her capture/rescue following the death of Peta Nocona. She died of a broken heart after the death of her daughter (Prairie Flower). Eventually their remains (Cynthia Ann, Prarie Flower, and Quanah) were all reinterred to the cemetary at Fort Sill where they could be buried together - may they rest in peace.

    • @laura4dsunshine
      @laura4dsunshine ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The first person (a female) known to be kidnapped by Natives was by the Delaware Indians way back on the east coast at the beginning of the country (1600s). She was stolen from her family and never returned.

    • @aleksbrooks535
      @aleksbrooks535 ปีที่แล้ว

      The whore is pregnant!

    • @Bonzi_Buddy
      @Bonzi_Buddy ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@laura4dsunshine 1600s isn't the beginning of the country. That was the beginning of European nations exploring and colonizing the New World. The beginning of the USA would be soon after the French-Indian War when the seeds of revolution and self governance were being sewn.

    • @stephenkennedy8305
      @stephenkennedy8305 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@Bonzi_Buddy People needed to settle here so yes it was the begining of the country now know as USA. Were there other events yes, but it started with people settling here.

  • @SadieYak
    @SadieYak ปีที่แล้ว +147

    If you're interested in this story, I recommend reading Chevato by William Chebahtah. Chevato was the Apache warrior Hermann referred to as Billy Chiwat. Chevato helped Hermann to join the Comanche (he didn't join them himself despite his claim), brought Apache peyote rituals to the Comanche, and eventually married Quanah Parker's neice. Chevato was also an Apache scout for the army during the Apache Wars.

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Thank you.

    • @SadieYak
      @SadieYak ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@datesanddeadguys excellent video by the way!

    • @Hava_Hadi
      @Hava_Hadi ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Such a shame many don’t know this great read!

    • @bernhardzipfel1489
      @bernhardzipfel1489 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Very interesting - thank you!

    • @bruceparks84
      @bruceparks84 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Loved the story. Thank you.

  • @100HoneyComb
    @100HoneyComb ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Herman is such a profound writer it kinda blows me away. I got emotional when he talked about his lowest moment

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +17

      That part of the book gets me. It is beyond anything I could imagine. And the same people who took him became his family. In the book, after Carnoviste dies, he talks about how he was his closest friend. I really tried hard to do it justice. I have a horrible ear for tone and music but I hope it worked in the video.

    • @100HoneyComb
      @100HoneyComb ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@datesanddeadguys nah your just hating on yourself. The way you tell the stories is perfect. Like I get excited watching them. Your passion comes through and it registers. I've been wanting to start my own channel for a while (different subject matter)
      And these videos are inspiring me to finally do it haha

    • @100HoneyComb
      @100HoneyComb ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@datesanddeadguys what a complicated predicament culturally. These same people who tortured me are the people that I love. It's like a spiritual Stockholm syndrome or something. Took a special soul to endure all that and rise to the occasion.

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That’s awesome. Good luck. It’s a grind but it’s fun.

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Absolutely. What a hard relationship to understand. But it is bizarre the number of cases of people kidnapped by Indians that prefer that life. What is that? I genuinely want to know.

  • @dannyhutson7787
    @dannyhutson7787 ปีที่แล้ว +267

    Herman Lehman was a relative of mine. He wrote a book called “ Nine Years with the Indians “. It’s a excellent read. He’s also in the Texas Ranger Hall of Fame.

    • @abbmichael866
      @abbmichael866 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Herman Lehman is a typical German name, are your ancestors from Germany.?

    • @davidrice3337
      @davidrice3337 ปีที่แล้ว

      way cool

    • @davidrice3337
      @davidrice3337 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@abbmichael866 Abb Michael is a ...... umm - what is that ? Inca ?

    • @Nozylatten
      @Nozylatten ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@abbmichael866 He was definitely German.

    • @bongdonkey
      @bongdonkey ปีที่แล้ว +7

      He mentions the book at start of video.

  • @interviolet6675
    @interviolet6675 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    "Last day-You or me?"
    That response goes so hard, spartans would smirk at that.

  • @echostarling84
    @echostarling84 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    "Hoping they know ASL, American Sign Language, or NASL,"
    Native American Sign Language? your humor is awesome

    • @tanyas8596
      @tanyas8596 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I literally just paused at that point in the video to make sure I heard him correctly LOL. Awesome!

    • @ernietaylor5376
      @ernietaylor5376 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tanyas8596

  • @philipberry1633
    @philipberry1633 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    What a story! Has this ever been made into a movie? It would make a great one. My grandmother 6 or 7 generations back was kidnapped by the Miami tribe in the 1750's. Her name was Jane Frazier and there was a great book written about her story in 1947 by a cousin of my grandmothers Ruby Frazier Frey, called "Red Morning". It is also an incredible tale of survival and ultimate return home.

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +35

      I just read the synopsis. Imagine being held captive 18 months to find your husband remarried because he thought you were dead. Holy moly.

    • @philipberry1633
      @philipberry1633 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@datesanddeadguys Right?

    • @texasjasper
      @texasjasper ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The series “The Son” used a lot of Herman’s story.

    • @randpherigo9724
      @randpherigo9724 ปีที่แล้ว

      A very good friend of mine named Jamie Frazier looked indian w blue eyes.. (unmistakable) & tan year round..lol

    • @thechiefwildhorse4651
      @thechiefwildhorse4651 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@philipberry1633
      Europeans have not been here for 6 or 7 generations.
      The 7th generation will fall
      -COMANCHE NATION

  • @charitysheppard4549
    @charitysheppard4549 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Great video!! As a history lover, I think you did an amazing job of combining history and story-telling. The way tonget people to love history is by telling compelling stories, and you did! Subscribed.

  • @jamescook5487
    @jamescook5487 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Great story, I don't know the man who is narrating this but he does a fantastic job. Bravo to you sir, you are an excellent story tell, nay tellet of history! God bless!

  • @rookandpawn
    @rookandpawn ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I just discovered this channel. As a history fan and as a fan of Dan Carlin, this was an amazing story and I'm overwhelmed by the life of Herman as well as the storytelling. Very very awesome! Thank you!😊

  • @gully8029
    @gully8029 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I sure wish my father was still alive to listen to your channel. TH-cam wasn’t around when he was alive, so we had and still have a house full of books and commentaries. He loved history, especially the west. He told me first hand accounts are the most significant because a personal account is less likely to be told with bias or agenda and also because it is the most respectful way to honor those that lived through it, on both sides. Needless to say, his words and opinion is still with me. Thank you. ❤

  • @Ivantheterrible81280
    @Ivantheterrible81280 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

    A 14 year old kid could ride a horse, fight in war, travel 300 miles across the arid plains hunting and finding water. 14 year old’s today: I want to pretend I have an innie, not an outtie!

    • @ianyoung6706
      @ianyoung6706 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yes, and words are trauma.

    • @daviddavis7136
      @daviddavis7136 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      and that, ladies and gentlemen is our future, were screwed

    • @Sean-qx2co
      @Sean-qx2co 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      14yr olds td cry taking the garbage out

  • @kobalt77
    @kobalt77 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is absolutely fascinating, better than a movie ! Great work my friend, thank you for sharing.

  • @ciscoguru69
    @ciscoguru69 ปีที่แล้ว +440

    I'm a Texan. I knew the Apache were bad but, it was the Comanche that were truly terrifying.

    • @Kevin-jb9fo
      @Kevin-jb9fo ปีที่แล้ว +93

      They joined forces with the US Army and the Mexican Army and everybody else to overtake the Apaches. The Apaches fought against every other race of people all at once and are still here.

    • @stevekowalski4348
      @stevekowalski4348 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      Typical Texan. Nobody asked but you just had to throw your ten gallon hat in there. Yeah, the Comanche were terrifying, you'd see them coming across the plains on horseback and go "oh fuck!" You never saw Apache.

    • @ciscoguru69
      @ciscoguru69 ปีที่แล้ว +134

      @@stevekowalski4348 First off, I wear a ball cap with my college alma mater nicely stitched on the front. Second, I never said anything about "seeing" an Apache, though my mother-in-law is part Apache. Third, like most Texans, I was taught Texas history, which covered the native tribes of Texas. The Apache were formidable but, the Comanches were a war machine. Last, I think you're just jealous of Texans...haha! Go on ahead with your snide comments, Polski.

    • @blackbetsy59
      @blackbetsy59 ปีที่แล้ว

      No doubt the Apache and the Comanche felt the same way about the white men who felt they had the right to invade and take over their country. It's all relative.

    • @scrappyxlocxx2281
      @scrappyxlocxx2281 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@stevekowalski434810 gallon hat 😂😂😂

  • @JMS-to3xb
    @JMS-to3xb ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I find these stories to be so brutal but yet so absolutely fascinating. Thank you sir for this amazing video!

  • @AVToth
    @AVToth ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This happened near where I grew up. My great grandmother as a child, had an encounter with indians from this band.

  • @loneranger8343
    @loneranger8343 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What a incredible amazing story! I grew up reading comics and books about wild west but true stories are always my favorite. And this story deserves to be made into a movie.
    You have a like and sub!

  • @judithcampbell1705
    @judithcampbell1705 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This is the first story I've seen and now I want more. It would make a great movie. As long as they kept it real. Herman was an incredible young man. A real warrior and a survivor. I thank you very much for your time and hard work putting this together ❤. You did an excellent job! Ty

  • @DaleSides
    @DaleSides ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I get so excited when I see you got a new video out. Love the way you tell these stories.

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is about the best compliment I can get. I greatly appreciate it.

  • @toddjackson164
    @toddjackson164 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This is great I wish there were more films / screen plays developed that depict the natives point of view.

  • @xxxxbigrich5752
    @xxxxbigrich5752 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I really appreciate the work you put into making such a great video! I really enjoyed the great length you went into explaining this in a way that I understood where you were going in this story! Thank you I look forward to watching more!!

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I really appreciate it. Thanks for watching.

  • @MayaMaya-om2vv
    @MayaMaya-om2vv ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Excellent. Beautifully done. What a story of endurance & courage. Yes I agree, it would make a terrific film. So long as made on authentic lines, hopefully with you at the helm.

  • @ForestGirlTeresa
    @ForestGirlTeresa ปีที่แล้ว +8

    A fascinating and historically important narrative. Thank you so much. This boy had amazing courage and a strong will to survive.

  • @sandidavis820
    @sandidavis820 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love history and will be watching your channel often. I have never heard this story before, although I have heard of Quanta (sic)Parker and his Mother.
    Thank you
    Sandi Davis

  • @loadstarnarcos3649
    @loadstarnarcos3649 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Fantastic Video man, this story would make an epic movie! Great content man can't wait till your next video!

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I appreciate it, thank you. A lot of work went into this one.

  • @100HoneyComb
    @100HoneyComb ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This is one of the best ones yet! Should be a screenplay

  • @clyde8drive
    @clyde8drive ปีที่แล้ว +10

    just found your channel and thought this story was told very well. Already ordered the book so appreciate the highlight you gave. Like your style, its what I have been looking for. No corny jokes or flamboyant voicing. Done perfect. Thanks for your effort.

  • @LibbySlaughter101
    @LibbySlaughter101 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you, from Sydney❤🇦🇺

  • @verbalswagrawkey1932
    @verbalswagrawkey1932 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dude, I'm so glad that I landed here. I could picture all of it as if I was reading a great book. Thanks

  • @Kaiyanwang82
    @Kaiyanwang82 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Absolutely amazing story.

  • @apachegypsy88-98
    @apachegypsy88-98 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Such an amazing story!! Thank you so much! Keep the native stories coming please!!!

    • @paranoid5881
      @paranoid5881 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, Native stories, not INDIAN stories

  • @slaterhorsetraining
    @slaterhorsetraining ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you for putting this thing together. Well told, and the art to go w/ it was beautiful.

  • @lonnygehring3043
    @lonnygehring3043 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    "The Last Captive" is another book that tells the story of Hermann.

  • @mwh3227
    @mwh3227 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is a story of epic proportions! Thanks for sharing!

  • @dougwood8549
    @dougwood8549 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I discovered your videos, and I must say. The sound quality on your latest ones are alot better. You sounded like you were talking into a can in your earlier ones. I"m so glad your subscribers list has grown. You've done excellent research, and I don't find these stories as interesting on other channels. You're good at this.

  • @ittybittykittymama7582
    @ittybittykittymama7582 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for a great accounting of the history of this country's native peoples. We are not, we're not, animals or just thieving drunks. We were and are proud people with a rich spiritual life and history. Thank you!

    • @mogznwaz
      @mogznwaz ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sure, but also capable of violence, savagery, butchery, tribalism, slavery and genocide. Not making a judgement per se but I don’t want to hear ONE word about white ‘oppression’ when the natives oppressed many others for CENTURIES. There is no moral high ground to take when it comes to history.

    • @cervezafria4807
      @cervezafria4807 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mogznwaz one thing that differentiate them from whites though. letting alone the kidnapping, they fully assimilated and integrated anyone in their culture. White kidnapped, but nope, they didn't integrate anyone.

    • @mikesmollin2043
      @mikesmollin2043 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mogznwaz I understand your point when both sides have military power, but I have to ask to make sure you are not covering for another motive here. Do you think white oppression applies to slavery of black people then? Or should they have "pulled up their boot straps" by now? Cuz I have a feeling your politics is affecting that statement, not objectivity. Cuz someone else committing a crime does not give another the right to do it. If I am wrong about you then great, I apologize if that is the case

    • @mogznwaz
      @mogznwaz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mikesmollin2043 What other ‘motive’ is there? My point is that all tribes, in all places and times, have warred and enslaved and conquered other weaker peoples.. This has been the historical default. European imperial powers were also in their turn also the victims of otter imperial powers. Native Britons were conquered and enslaved and integrated into invading Saxons, Normans, Vikings, Romans and others. No doubt the resulting people had learned the lessons from this history and decided they would never be ‘the conquered’ again. Why is that history of oppression and war and enslavement and emancipation any less important than more recent ones? The consequences of each have had their own myriad ripples. Sitting there and going on about oppression and reparation or whatever just doesn’t hold any water because, you know, what makes them so special?! I consider it a huge positive that slavery is no longer legal nor considered morally neutral. Be grateful to live in the first era of history where that is so.

    • @mikesmollin2043
      @mikesmollin2043 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mogznwaz You didn't answer my question, I did not ask if you thought slavery was ok, do you think that white oppression has no sense being taught when it comes to slavery in this country. Or do you think there is no moral high ground there cuz natives sold slaves so that justifies whatever white people did? that is what I am asking cuz I am trying to see if you are saying that actually from an objective position, or if it is politically motivated. History can be objective, but the political issues of a country are unique and tied to that stuff in a personal way. For example, many cultures have done slavery, but in the USA it is a uniquely sensitive issue when it comes to black people, and you can't just point at another example of slavery somewhere else and say it's not a race issue, it's all good now. Cuz i get the sense you are taking this position for right leaning reasons. If I am wrong, then I am sorry, I am asking if you think systemic racism is a problem in modern day, or is it not real?

  • @DrCarlaSeleme
    @DrCarlaSeleme 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for this concise, well executed video. I appreciate the new information and insights that you delivered. I look forward to your other video’s.

  • @jessepercoco5254
    @jessepercoco5254 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Wow, it's remarkable to see how far your channel has come in such a short time. If anyone hasn't seen some of his past videos, I'd highly recommend. I was hooked after the farming video.

  • @uralbob1
    @uralbob1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of the best Indian stories I’ve heard! Thank you!

  • @giaatta9303
    @giaatta9303 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Such a fascinating story. Thank you. Young people think they have it hard these days. Oigh!

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My life is so easy. One of my favorite discussion questions is “How much money would someone have to give you to go back to the year 1900 and live out the rest of your life?”… There is nothing you could give me. I am safe, fed, and I have everything I need. Plus I have antibiotics, clean water, modern healthcare and surgery, modern transportation, the internet, air conditioning, heat, I can outsource anything I can’t do (within reason), and TH-cam how to do anything I want to do myself. What a different world just 120 years ago.

  • @judypierce7028
    @judypierce7028 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This story is just awesome! Really love this channel. I have read books about women who have been kidnapped by various Native Americans.

  • @shanereynolds4276
    @shanereynolds4276 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Love these stories. You ever read a rough trip through paradise? It's along these lines.

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have not but I googled it and this dude seems fun. It seems right up my alley. Thank you.

  • @suzanneh.3822
    @suzanneh.3822 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Thoroughly enjoyed this. Can’t thank you enough for your hard work and dedication.

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s very kind. Thank you. These stories are fascinating to me.

  • @reddiver7293
    @reddiver7293 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Amazing tale!
    Thank you so much for this fascinating video!

  • @karolawinter6249
    @karolawinter6249 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fabulous story. Thank you for sharing this with us. I love Native Americans. Karola, Croydon UK

  • @huntman9521
    @huntman9521 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great job on your Apache series, very interesting & accompanied visuals!😊
    Special times back then: REAL!!

  • @Michele_78
    @Michele_78 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just found your channel and have been binge watching all day!! Thank you for the content! It's Definitely helped this cold, stuck in the house day here in Indiana ❤

  • @Tiogadon
    @Tiogadon 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great video!! Very informative. Thank you for posting!

  • @AlexandarTheGreat
    @AlexandarTheGreat 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man, this is one of the most interesting stories I've heard in a long time. Your storytelling is on another level.

  • @keithwinsett7157
    @keithwinsett7157 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A great depiction of the book “Nine Years Among The Indians.”

  • @karylhogan5758
    @karylhogan5758 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Am listening to this from Ireland ..
    Am kinda blown away…a lot to think about , and all this not that long ago really…🇮🇪

  • @kelliethomas8171
    @kelliethomas8171 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Awesome story!! Quanah was family. From my mother's side. Thank you for sharing!!

  • @MrPossumeyes
    @MrPossumeyes ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fascinating. Thanks, man. What a life that young feller lived. I'm blown away.

  • @thegadflygang5381
    @thegadflygang5381 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Incredible what an eloquent and expressive writer Herman turned out to be, "as the veil of savagery slipped" really hit home. Definitive proof of "nature" being superior to "nurture".
    Great channel by the way. I can't believe i am just hitting it now

    • @somniumisdreaming
      @somniumisdreaming ปีที่แล้ว

      Not really he tried to escape from his fwmil6, he wasn't happy. He ended up living on the reservation towrite his book.

    • @thegadflygang5381
      @thegadflygang5381 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@somniumisdreaming say what? I just read both his books what are you talking about. He was "nurtured" under savagery but his "nature" brought him back to somewhat normalcy.
      Granted he was always a bit fucked up afterwards which is understandable as it is the single greatest case of child trauma I have ever read about but he did alright. Was kind of a celeb actually on the whole Wild Bill-esque show scene

  • @GrahamBarnes-p2r
    @GrahamBarnes-p2r ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a great story that was about Hermann. Very well told as well. Thank you for sharing. GWB

  • @ToddOleg
    @ToddOleg ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Been on an Apache kick lately myself - this was perfect! Thanks!

  • @cristianne3040
    @cristianne3040 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow brilliant story. You caught my imagination, very well told. It's always good to learn, and this was very interesting. I will be watching more of your videos from now on.

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว

      Love to hear it. Happy you enjoyed the story.

  • @mudkoerfgen9843
    @mudkoerfgen9843 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    👍 from Perth Western Australia - Herman Survived a very Tough Upbringing

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What a life. He died in the early 1930s. It’s so crazy that there are likely people alive today that met him. One person away from first hand accounts like this.

    • @TheBatugan77
      @TheBatugan77 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey Mud... Visited Perth & Fremantle. You guys treated this Yank as one of your own. Wonderful towns. G'day!

  • @Phenn5589
    @Phenn5589 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great story. And you told it well. Thank you.

  • @joebalderas789
    @joebalderas789 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Badass story, enjoyed the hell out of it.

  • @DanielBoyle-e2u
    @DanielBoyle-e2u 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You have the greatest native history stories I have ever heard. Love it, keep up the great work.

  • @tonywhitley6929
    @tonywhitley6929 ปีที่แล้ว

    NASL - That was awesome! If a man laughs in the wilderness but is himself deaf....would he make a sound? 🙌

  • @evankiefer3467
    @evankiefer3467 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This was such a compelling story, and the way you covered it was really well done! I do have one question, though: what was that western music playing in the background? It really added some extra oomph to the narration, though I would like to listen to it on its own as well!

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว

      I have used a handful of tracks on repeat through the Apache series. I am happy to hear they add something. They are stock music tracks through StoryBlocks. If you want a list I can send them over to you but I have not been able to find them outside of the software.

    • @evankiefer3467
      @evankiefer3467 ปีที่แล้ว

      @datesanddeadguys oh that would be awesome, thanks!

  • @stephenjones345
    @stephenjones345 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What a fantastic story. It just goes to show that true life is more exciting and interesting than any Hollywood made up tale.

  • @wayneb1597
    @wayneb1597 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    James B. Gillett's book "Six Years with the Texas Rangers" talks about the Rangers chasing the Apache and James Gillett shooting the horse out from under Lehmann.

  • @geraldwilliamson3478
    @geraldwilliamson3478 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What an amazing story and well told. I'm going to check out the book now

  • @sandicmxr
    @sandicmxr ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What an interesting story. Thank you for bringing it to light.

  • @Kmartinusa888
    @Kmartinusa888 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I lived approximately 100 miles west of Ft Sill, Oklahoma and know the area well. I’m having difficulty finding any story of Apaches escaping Ft Sill under the cover of darkness and making what was characterized as a last stand out here somewhere.
    A Google Earth line drawn out 100 miles west in a fairly wide circumference shows that this would have possibly been Childress, Paducah, Wellington, Vici, south of Moreland…any number of places and there are a number of natural springs out here, some have flown freely for tens of thousands of years…but you’d better know right where they are, because it’s dry dry dry and often very hot or with the wind, very cold. Great for aging whiskey, a real challenge to survive without modern systems of water, power, transportation etc. Some may see this area as barren, even ugly but once one sees a drought broken in the spring and the wildflowers that bloom…it’s stunningly beautiful. Spring and early summer- with the cracked canyons, river bottoms and prairie are gorgeous. And unforgiving.
    I’d sure appreciate details of where they went on that last run, I cannot find it anywhere.
    This stuff is fascinating, I’m originally from TX and every 7th grader takes Texas History in school, the state is quite proud of its history but the history of Oklahoma has been infinitely more difficult to ascertain…until Killers of the Summer Moon came out I had NO clue what the history of the state and surrounding areas really was.
    The reason is simple. Indians did not write anything down, did not attempt to permanantly document anything for history therefore there are literally centuries of history out here that is difficult to impossible to ascertain.
    Still looking for my first arrowhead too. Isn't it incredible to find one, a tool used by another person perhaps hundreds, even thousands of years ago?
    While practically impossible, documenting/learning the history of the midwest is fascinating, absolutely riveting as captured in that book. it's the first book I've found that does a good job of documenting what is known and it's just mind boggling to think of what came before, forever lost in history. That's why finding ancient tools/arrowheads is such a cool thing. Someone, sometime loosed that arrow at something and couldn't or didn't retrieve it. There have got to be millions out there, waiting to be found. Or not.
    Thank you for the channel, thoroughly enjoy your work.

  • @aatosvuorms7303
    @aatosvuorms7303 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Do we need more of these ? Hell yes

  • @charlenestrauss3539
    @charlenestrauss3539 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow, these stories are so interesting

  • @lanaconin5704
    @lanaconin5704 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very cool story, it’s hard to find interesting documentaries, so many are monotonous and hard to engage in. This was well told

  • @grysman6.5
    @grysman6.5 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Super interesting. What a life. And to think it's a true story...

  • @Priscilla-j4t
    @Priscilla-j4t 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hard to believe what humans do to each other!

  • @Vainglorious.1
    @Vainglorious.1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just found this channel, and i am so happy to have done so! Native American history is something i really don't know enough about, and these stories are actually riveting and hold my attention quite well. I LOVE history, especially history that isn't as well known.
    Liked and subscribed! Can't wait to learn more from you!

  • @lorrainewadsworth6977
    @lorrainewadsworth6977 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I love the native Indian American culture. Fierce strong people. They were/are treated appallingly.

    • @frjcde9392
      @frjcde9392 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Well did the same to rival tribes. Only reason Europeans were able to do so much is the sole fact the Natives would help Europeans to get back at rival tribes

  • @julianmartinez4479
    @julianmartinez4479 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    At 9:20 is a view of a small very distinct mountain I know that mountain well because I used to live very close to it. There Is an excellent historical story tied to that mountain. Too bad the painting in this video doesn’t show the HUGE white cross that sits on top of the mountain in recognition of all the lives lost in that battle.

  • @toregister8615
    @toregister8615 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Would you possibly be available for camping trips? I enjoyed the story very much, but I can imagine how much better it would be sitting around a campfire munching on a few s'mores. I definitely enjoy your channel. Catchy name too ;)

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I picture these as campfire stories. If I had the filming prowess to do it, it would make a great backdrop. Thanks for watching!

  • @glennatnatglen964
    @glennatnatglen964 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. I have always loved native history. I'm from Canada. The story of Deerfoot is amazing and worth sharing.

  • @zaneivy
    @zaneivy ปีที่แล้ว +17

    ...I was a little surprised that you didn't mention that Quanah Parker, who adopted Herman, was himself the son of a White captive woman.

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Fair. I had thought about it. The video was getting real long and I was working hard to not get in the weeds.

    • @funkmonster
      @funkmonster ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah yeah white people always try to connect to quanah Parker. I don’t know why you always want to connect to the Comanche who would rape kids and grandmothers, while they were impaled no less

  • @patrickspacek7783
    @patrickspacek7783 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I own one of the really old fort apache sets and really nice i still own it really wish they would make stuff like that again

  • @troycassidy6177
    @troycassidy6177 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    You should have a look at William Buckley an escaped Australian convict who lived with the Aboriginals of Victoria for 30 years.

    • @martinjenkins6467
      @martinjenkins6467 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm Australian I only come across
      That story recently, hadn't heard
      About it before. It's pretty amazing.

  • @ms.felonystrutter2472
    @ms.felonystrutter2472 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for telling stories with respect...just subscribed

  • @philmccrevis4493
    @philmccrevis4493 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was twelve years old in 1971 and mowed the yard of a man who was 92 years old. He was born in 1879. Not too long after this happened.

  • @jackspring7709
    @jackspring7709 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The artwork featured on your channel is top notch, along with your content, of course. Incredibly well told story, by the way.

  • @pattysoucie24
    @pattysoucie24 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You have the best channel on TH-cam.

  • @Slievenamon
    @Slievenamon ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Did any of you see the Gernan docuementary made about him ? They interviewed a grandson of his, the grandson looked just like Herman.

  • @richardgarza5702
    @richardgarza5702 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank for sharing these videos, I am originally from southern Texas, it is said that on my mother side there is Comanche & some Apache blood. Have been unable to verify this because, even though I saw my great-grand mother, who I always believed was full Indian, no one in the family knows or is willing to tell me what her Indian name was. will continue to follow your progress.
    sincerely; Ricardo Garza

  • @ArmyVet82ndAbn
    @ArmyVet82ndAbn ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Im an army brat and lived at Ft. Huachcua AZ, could you do a story about Cochise and the Chiricahua Apache battles with the US Cavalry in southern Arizona? Thanks, enjoy your videos!

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I have a handful of Apache topics I want to get through before I close out the series. Cochise and Mangas Coloradas are on the list.

  • @RemoWilliams1227
    @RemoWilliams1227 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Oh my instant sub. Very well done content here my friend.

  • @johnoconnor6750
    @johnoconnor6750 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great story! Great research! Keep it up, not too many of us really know our American heritage,

  • @premierhoner614
    @premierhoner614 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOW awesome mannn... This seems like a blockbuster movie. Surely Hollywood was supposed to make a movie years ago, like they always do....
    .

    • @dougearnest7590
      @dougearnest7590 ปีที่แล้ว

      I cringe at the thought of how badly Hollyweird would screw up this story.

  • @SpeezyFBaby93
    @SpeezyFBaby93 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Amazing video. Love what your doing. Wish you much success.

  • @debrawoolahan2301
    @debrawoolahan2301 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A story brilliantly told, thank you.

  • @KamalasNotLikeUs
    @KamalasNotLikeUs 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    As a descendant of the Cherokee and the Iroquois, I can attest that none were more "terrifying" than the European.

    • @ns-ds4sp
      @ns-ds4sp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Wow! I didn't realize you were there, cool story bro!

    • @shovel662
      @shovel662 หลายเดือนก่อน

      *insert a joke about British cooking or the French language here*

  • @douglasjherring
    @douglasjherring ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I heard the Comanche were not given a reservation, the only Indian tribe not given a reservation due to their brutal and savage ways of life.

    • @datesanddeadguys
      @datesanddeadguys  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The Comanche have no reservation today but they did at one point. The Comanche parceled out their lands to individual tribe members as part of the Federal Jerome Agreement. I don’t recall if it was broken up between families or tribe members got 160 acres per unit were given out. This was meant for farming. Not surprising the Comanche didn’t want to do that. Many ultimately sold their property leaving them without that resource. In a lot of ways they were forced to sell. 160 acres per family sounds like a lot but families grow through generations and it’s not like each new family gets an allotment. Plus, money management is a learned skill. Those 160 acres would have been good to hold on to but if you are poor and someone came to your door offering several years pay for something you don’t use, you might sell also.