Thanks for watching man. Glad you mentioned chaos theory. What's missing in modern metal (apart from the obvious things like snapped to a grid) is the bones of the track being recorded live. On old AC/DC you can hear the drums bleeding into isolated guitar tracks. If you record one at a time the modern way you lose that magic. Add tape distortion and classic compressors and it becomes more pleasing to the ear despite being technically more lossy vs digital. There are a lot of factors but I'm suprised we lack lots of amazing industrial metal music today since that was mostly snapped to a grid. Technically we should be in a golden age of industrial metal. I'm tempted to go down that road myself musically.
Wow dude, honored that you stumbled across this video and took the time to comment! There's nothing like hearing the bleed between tracks, knowing everyone played together in a room. Albums like Peace Sells, Van Halen I, Ten by Pearl Jam and many more seem to have this quality. As I get more space for my studio and continue to experiment, I hope to get more of the real versions of classic analog gear and record things more organically. Keep up the good work as well!
@@MakeTheMusic Thanks man! I'm just trying to warn others on the direction of rock and metal production because I felt I wasted my best years doing it the correct way, while not thinking/noticing the public hated this DAW direction (without knowing why, they just turned off). The first I noticed was how bland future music, harmony central etc "experts" music was. They were pro at knowing the ins and outs of the tech but the music was just limp. It's become so bland that rock and metal is no longer a counter culture. No edge.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE You have used the term "Coffee Shop Atmosphere" to describe the Rock and Metal scene now.. and that hit for sure. There are no rebels or rockstars really, and everyone is scared to have an ego or piss somebody off. Young audiences don't care how cool your new amp sim plugin looks or how much you can compress a snare sample. I feel like people are making music to suit production instead of the other way around, using production to serve the song. A topic for future video... or a collaborate video I suppose?
Check out Finn Mckenty's recent interview with M. Shadows. He talks about how Avenged Sevenfold doesn't quantize or replace drum recordings with samples. No wonder the band sounds great and has actual feel.
I'm 69 and have been playing Bass in Rock bands for 55 yrs. I agree with the premise of organic is better than digital. I'm in a Rock cover band that plays songs from 60's to today. We use a tempo meter for the start of songs then we wing it! Quantizing takes the soul out of music, that's why young people are listening to music from back before digital was born.We have a 19 yr old female lead singer who kills Plant. She says a lot of her friends are discovering this music and love it. Music is a communication between people organically. As a Bass player, playing this music is reaffirming. Good luck with your channel.
Quanting isn't the reason for the downfall of rock. The real reason is the older bands rehearsed endlessly, played everywhere they could equalling to hundreds if not 1,000 of gigs. Bands became one well oiled machine from playing together so long. The singers develop and perfect their sound over years of rehearsals and live performances. Rock music has been quantized for over twenty year. With many great sounds. The greatness come from recording bands that perform as one unit. The last couple generations do not put the time in that bands use to put in. And that is the big difference you are hearing. Everybody's missing the big important issue. You can't have a great organic band to record. Unless they put in the work bands use to do. That's where the magic came from. Bands aren't developed the same way. Everything is thrown together, to make the quick buck. It's not about the development of great bands. That's the biggest change. Also on top of that, 75 percent of a great drum sound come from the room it's recorded it. It all adds up to the problem. Bands not being developed over years and becoming one, not using real guitar amps and real drums in good rooms, because the room is part of the sound. Griding drums is the least of the problem. It's much more than that.. Great video!! 🙂🙂🙂👍👍👍
Thanks for watching man. Glad you mentioned chaos theory. What's missing in modern metal (apart from the obvious things like snapped to a grid) is the bones of the track being recorded live. On old AC/DC you can hear the drums bleeding into isolated guitar tracks. If you record one at a time the modern way you lose that magic.
Add tape distortion and classic compressors and it becomes more pleasing to the ear despite being technically more lossy vs digital.
There are a lot of factors but I'm suprised we lack lots of amazing industrial metal music today since that was mostly snapped to a grid. Technically we should be in a golden age of industrial metal. I'm tempted to go down that road myself musically.
Wow dude, honored that you stumbled across this video and took the time to comment!
There's nothing like hearing the bleed between tracks, knowing everyone played together in a room. Albums like Peace Sells, Van Halen I, Ten by Pearl Jam and many more seem to have this quality. As I get more space for my studio and continue to experiment, I hope to get more of the real versions of classic analog gear and record things more organically.
Keep up the good work as well!
@@MakeTheMusic Thanks man! I'm just trying to warn others on the direction of rock and metal production because I felt I wasted my best years doing it the correct way, while not thinking/noticing the public hated this DAW direction (without knowing why, they just turned off). The first I noticed was how bland future music, harmony central etc "experts" music was. They were pro at knowing the ins and outs of the tech but the music was just limp.
It's become so bland that rock and metal is no longer a counter culture. No edge.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE You have used the term "Coffee Shop Atmosphere" to describe the Rock and Metal scene now.. and that hit for sure. There are no rebels or rockstars really, and everyone is scared to have an ego or piss somebody off. Young audiences don't care how cool your new amp sim plugin looks or how much you can compress a snare sample. I feel like people are making music to suit production instead of the other way around, using production to serve the song. A topic for future video... or a collaborate video I suppose?
Great video man.
Appreciate it!
Check out Finn Mckenty's recent interview with M. Shadows. He talks about how Avenged Sevenfold doesn't quantize or replace drum recordings with samples. No wonder the band sounds great and has actual feel.
I did see this interview and it was very interesting to hear what Shadows had to say. A video will have to made on this! Thanks for watching.
Many good points here.
Glad you thought so!
I'm 69 and have been playing Bass in Rock bands for 55 yrs. I agree with the premise of organic is better than digital. I'm in a Rock cover band that plays songs from 60's to today. We use a tempo meter for the start of songs then we wing it! Quantizing takes the soul out of music, that's why young people are listening to music from back before digital was born.We have a 19 yr old female lead singer who kills Plant. She says a lot of her friends are discovering this music and love it. Music is a communication between people organically. As a Bass player, playing this music is reaffirming. Good luck with your channel.
I couldn't agree more. Thanks for watching!
Quanting isn't the reason for the downfall of rock. The real reason is the older bands rehearsed endlessly, played everywhere they could equalling to hundreds if not 1,000 of gigs. Bands became one well oiled machine from playing together so long. The singers develop and perfect their sound over years of rehearsals and live performances. Rock music has been quantized for over twenty year. With many great sounds. The greatness come from recording bands that perform as one unit. The last couple generations do not put the time in that bands use to put in. And that is the big difference you are hearing. Everybody's missing the big important issue. You can't have a great organic band to record. Unless they put in the work bands use to do. That's where the magic came from. Bands aren't developed the same way. Everything is thrown together, to make the quick buck. It's not about the development of great bands. That's the biggest change. Also on top of that, 75 percent of a great drum sound come from the room it's recorded it. It all adds up to the problem. Bands not being developed over years and becoming one, not using real guitar amps and real drums in good rooms, because the room is part of the sound. Griding drums is the least of the problem. It's much more than that.. Great video!! 🙂🙂🙂👍👍👍
I imagine that this also applies to other instruments other than just drums, right?
Absolutely.
Hard to agree w/ anybody who describes Guthrie Govans music that way 😅😂
Guthrie Govan is a great player. I don't agree with everything Circle of Tone says, just presenting different prespectives.
Aren’t you the guy who had video “why should always quantize your drums “)??
Oh sorry its not you….