Religious Vs Secular State | The Verdict | TCM Debates | Ft. Qaiser Raja and Mehrub Moiz
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- TCM Debates' grand finale is here with some fired up cross examination and closing statements, let us know who you think won this debate, Qaiser Raja or Mehrub Moiz? Or was it a stalemate? Also, let us know what topics and which debaters you want to see in the next TCM Debates.
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How many Pakistani want sharia in Pakistan?
Sharia - like
Modern secular state - comment.
Let's see who won Raja or modern insightful lady.
Comment
no sane Pakistani wants to make this country a hell hole like Afghanistan
Comment
comment
Period!
Dr Moiz: I am pro democratic
Dr Qaiser: then we should listen to the masses of Pakistan because surveys show that the want shariah.
Dr Moiz: Error 404 not found.
A true meme😂
😂😂
Which Shariah? Iran wali ya Suadia wali? Ajkl wese aik aur bhi i hui hai Taliban or IS wali.
@alimehdi4160
Again that's not the point
The point is the will of the people. They want shariah not secularism. You back off from secularism, we (the people) will give you shariah
@@alimehdi4160jb itne log chah rhevhain to iska mtlb wo kisi jaga ittefaq kr rhe hain is liye sb maslak ke ulma ko bitha kr aik shari law bana diya jaye jo ke duniya bhar ke liye misal rhega pakistan wali sharia.. ye kesa hai😊
Mr. Raja was intellectual at every point. It was amazing to have such clearity.
Great job Sir Qaiser!
May Allah reward you for your truthful efforts.
“Islam is never old nor it was meant to be applied only for the old era.”
We need more thinkers like Dr Qaiser to eliminate the baseless evil
I fear the fall of our morality. I myself am a reverted conservative. Everything on the secular front seems to hedonistic and vulgar. wont you agree?
@@mahshanahmad1141but then where will the minorities go and how Sharia law is good for women
Dr qaisar 😂
@@sb853547 The actual Sharia itself protect the minorties the only chalange is to impliment it's pure form!
Having no clear perspective of shariah Dr Sahib is excellent 😂
Qaiser: How are...
Mehrub: Rhetorical device
Qaiser: What is....
Mehrub: Rhetorical device
Qaiser: My question is....
Mehrub: Rhetorical device
All what Mehrub has to say is Rhetorical device and Rhetorical instrument. Qaiser sahb's cross examination is a 10/10 ❤❤
If Shria Laws are anti women anti humanity it is not good for any reason to implement. Nothing more shameful in 2024 to use this outdated laws Arabic culture. I can say Muhammad follow becuz he born there. Religion culture are seprate issue.
4 Wife, Sex Slavery, TV Media Dance Music Ban, Halala, instant Divorce, Property Rights, In-Equality. Stone to death, Dress restrictions, Education restrictions, Hijab Burka, Ban on Girls education. Child marriage Jihad. 4 evidence for rape, Aurat half Brain, half evidence these are against Mankind and Arabic culture not religion
I saw this comment before watching the video and I was like yeah how could that be said for every argument though...now that I have watched it, can't agree more!😂
Not a single foul word by QA. Hats off man.... To handle such business with this calm and patience is your heroism and absolute gentlemanliness.
Qaiser Raja: "We are not sure that securalism is a good thing but we want to bring secularism because we are not sure what Shariat is"
This statement of Raja shows his sharp mind and logical approach. This single statement has demolished Dr. Moiz's whole edifice of secular state. 👏
That was very impressive part of the debate ❤
Untill yesterday we needed secular Pakistan and now we need post secular Pakistan.😂😂
This is real example of how confused our self proclaimed highly educated and genius community is..
Well if a person can't even decide his gander how can ee change our whole country according to him/her😂
@@achabacha3328I like how you mis-spelled gender 😂😂😂😂
@@adnankhokhar4426
English is not my native language. I can make mistakes.. but Alhmdulillah I'm not mantly ill😕
Not allowing religion/Islam is definitely secularism, what they want, but when it is not possible to defend it, they say POST-SECULARISM.
I wonder post secularism is after secularism, means, first face secularism and they face these blo__y secular in post secularism era
Yall can read about post secularism instead of making uneducated guesses about it.
Dr. Qaiser Raja is a gem!! May ALLAH SWT Saves him from evil eye.
Our Prayers are with you Qaiser Ahmed Raja.
so the debate went from secularism to post secularism all of a sudden :), salute to qaiser bhai for exposing the shallowness of the ISMs against islam.
there is nothing more shallow than mullahism which is why no muslim country is competing with west in terms of science, tech and education.
@@bobobobo3142shut up
@@bobobobo3142 the science is not the result of liberalism. You guys are not even productive right now.all the products are from asia and your youth only makes wealth while we create value.
ISLAMISM kills local culture.
ISLAMISM is the complete antithesis of Civilization.
Science ,technology has to do with east or west not between Islam and secularism .You are just little idiot student in that.
More power to you Mr. Qaiser Raja.... you absolutely nailed this debate 👏
Name - ISLAMABAD
but it's the most liberal Immodest city in whole pakistan 😂
This explains the whole situation of Pakistan.
Islam is used by politicians and establishment for votes and power .
They fool public with Islamic touch , but their intentions is always against Islam.
Never get fooled by politician's dress and speech.
See , what they are practically doing and promoting below the belt.
No he did not 😂he was nervous 😟
No, Allama Iqbal did not denounce that he had not presented the Pakistan Resolution.
In fact, he was quite proud of the role he played in the creation of Pakistan. In a speech to the All India Muslim League in 1930, he said:
"The resolution that was presented yesterday is not only a resolution of the Muslim League, but it is also a resolution of the Muslims of India."
He also wrote several poems and articles in support of the Pakistan Movement. In his poem "Talaq" (Divorce), he wrote:
"O Muslims, awake! Your destiny is calling you.
It is time to break the chains of slavery and be free.
Pakistan is your homeland, and it is your right to rule it."
Iqbal's support for the Pakistan Movement was unwavering, and he never denounced the Pakistan Resolution.
However, there is some evidence that he was not entirely happy with the way the Pakistan Movement was unfolding. For example, in a letter to his friend Muhammad Ali Jinnah in 1937, he wrote:
"I am not satisfied with the way the Pakistan Movement is going. It is becoming too sectarian and dogmatic. We need to focus on the economic and social development of the Muslim community."
Despite his reservations, Iqbal continued to support the Pakistan Movement until his death in 1938. He is widely regarded as one of the founding fathers of Pakistan, and his legacy continues to inspire Pakistanis today.
Very well said!
Thank you for the clarification. Aur jahan tak small difference of opinion raha bhi ho to Itnay baray kaamon main jahan eik poori country bun rahi ho wahan every individual can have their own opinions that can differ with others.
Alhumdullillah we have intellectuals like Qaiser Ahmed Raja
Salute to Qaisar Raja and his calmness ❤
Salute to qaisar raja sahb
What a beautiful debate. Very well done, TCM.
Hatsofff to Dr. Qiser for such rational and logical rebuttal. 👏 👏
😂
Where is the rebuttal?
He is not a doctor. Dr. Mehrub is a doctor.
😂😂
@@diemanner7164 A dr who dose not know himself
At least , the secularism lost itself and role and changed to post secularism . The same had happened in the debate with the Athiest Haris sultan when he got escaped from his very stance on Athiestic morality while the debate was on Islamic morality vs Athiestic morality . They don't have something to support their stance and get escape to something new to hide behind it .
Ma Sha Allah , Qaiser sir . Allah pak ka Fazal ho tum par hamesha !
Let me ask you based on your Islamic morality
Is slavery and sex with slaves halal in Islam ?
@@user-MissKhan80
Very usual question from liberals and athiests . 😄
First i will recommend the debate between Qaiser and Haris .
The 2nd one is the answer of javed ghamidi on this , it will clear you .
The third one option is that Qaiser Ahmad raja's live sessions , Q and Ans on any topic or especially this question. Follow him and when there is session , ask what you want . You will be given time and respect. You won't be disappointed .
Brother the idea of secularism is about getting away from dogmas! What happened in china, Russia, were also because of dogmas! State should be separated from all kinds of Ideologies, whether it is communism or hindutva or shriat. Because I don’t want my society to think that it is okay to beat your wife as mentioned in Surah Nisa verse 34 or to think that they can have 4 wives or can keep londis.
@@user-MissKhan80 you still want an answer ?
The arguments, examples & calmness by Qaiser Raja is 🔥
Muslims want sharia law in their own country, but secularism in non-Muslim countries. Oppression on Hindus is increasing day by day in Pakistan. Never did these religious traders raise their voice for the protection of people of different opinion. Just like a parrot, Islam sings the religion of peace by heart. Buddhist-Jain-Confucian religions never sing that our religion is the religion of peace like Muslims. Only Muslims sing this. By the usage of Muslims one can understand whether they are really peaceful or non-violent.
This is not true
@@dhakacity6574 tbh we don't give a fu*k about other countries it's them who always have a problem with shria law and want to stick there nose in our affairs
@@dhakacity6574 one can also understand your agenda why you didn't mention hindu's Oppression on Muslims? more hate crimes against Muslims than any other, more Muslims died in recent history than any other religion or race. go cry somewhere else you are made cause we don't promote ra*e like other religions do
@@dhakacity6574 Buddhist isn't a religious it's an ideology
Usools of Islam are universal
Hats off to Raja sb ❤🎉
Then why Muslim running to secular country.. and going to Islamic country...why so hypocrisy.
@@ravikumar-gg9zg what hypocrisy? your india claim to be secular but don't treat people equally go vote for BJP and don't ever complain about hypocrisy
@@user-fw4zq9hz8p Minority has some extra right in India than majority. Minorities have special quota.
The point where it all went down for secularism is where Dr Moiz said we have to talk about post secularism. Qaiser sir just nailed it by asking the question : If you don't have any example or working system of the post secularism and it's just a thought then how can you say that the system we believe in is problematic?
We have the example of the era where shariah existed and worked without any error and your post secularism didn't existed.
Qaiser sir for sure is the winner of the debate.
14:05
Basically the crux of this whole debate
she surely gave examples of Canada and New Zealand but mr cancer raja was unable to give any particular example of Sharia based country
@@AA-cu4joCancer Raja ko jutta maar kar Afghanistan ya Iran bhej do. Halak se sara shriah nikal jaye ga.
@@AA-cu4jodefinitely he is cancer for people like u. So cope with that.
Dr Merub was dodging clear cut questions while being rather emotional and ill mannered whereas Qaiser Raja sahb truly conducted a well spoken, thorough and factual debate
25000 Palestians jo mare Zia ne uska jawab nahi diya qaser chootiah raja ne. Dollar army se dar gaya.🙂
@@nha3920 hijdo ke supporter khud hijde hote hai be dalle 😂😂😂
@@nha3920Debate ka agenda parho
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)
Choose your side now! Because if you claim to be a Muslim you have no choice but to strive to implement the law of Allah, forget about saying we don't need it.
If you say you are vegan then it's abnormal that you start eating and advocating for meat eating.
we can see how bad Islam is
we have 57 Islamic countries and most of them are horrible place to live and a hell for woman.
why most of the Muslims wanna go to Europe, the USA or Australia to take benefit of their labral life style lol. NO one wanna live in Islamic hell
Pakistan this guy Qaiser Raja is a blessing for your nation.
Excellent and Solid evidence Given by Raja Qaisar Sahab ..
We are appreciating much more the efforts of Raja Sahab For Islam .
The calm that dr qaiser raja maintains is just wow. His knowledge is commendable. I wish we could give Sharia a chance for once
How about go to Afghanistan?
@@JayLim-bn9fhWhy dumb*** ? This is our country we pay text, living for years, we are the majority, our elders struggle for this. So you better go to the west :)
@@JayLim-bn9fhNo, why go to Afghanistan? We are Pakistani. Why not we try for Shariah here, while intellectually defeating poor secularists & apostates on every platform (like in this video), despite your tears? 😂
Sharia a chance?😂 what a boy😅
@@rashstuff4846 Because religious parties have consistently failed to get any support at the national level? People have consistently voted against parties that ran on a religious narrative so, how are you going to try it here?
Secondly, Mehrub isn't a debator. If Qaiser actually wanted to do something, he'd debate actual secular philosophers instead of random social media influencers or publish his arguments in a philosophical journal. Yani itni bhi aqal nai ha?
Lastly, these aren't new issues, these debates have been occurring in the West for decades now. If you lot actually wanted to challenge people, you'd talk to people actually accomplished in the field. Bas YT par bongian maar kar khush ho jao.
Qaiser Ahmed Raja❤ A great debator
Muslims want sharia law in their own country, but secularism in non-Muslim countries. Oppression on Hindus is increasing day by day in Pakistan. Never did these religious traders raise their voice for the protection of people of different opinion. Just like a parrot, Islam sings the religion of peace by heart. Buddhist-Jain-Confucian religions never sing that our religion is the religion of peace like Muslims. Only Muslims sing this. By the usage of Muslims one can understand whether they are really peaceful or non-violent.
@@dhakacity6574Bro let me explain you in Islam it says that Sharia law is not applicable on non-muslims it's applicable only on Muslims so by saying we want Sharia law in all Muslim countries mean that only the Muslim population living in the country will have to follow Sharia law not other religions people and to deal with them there would be a separate law system based on their majority likes and opinions for example in Sharia law if someone steals his hand should be cut off as a punishment so if a Muslim will steal his hands will get cut off but if a non-muslim steals his hands will not be cut off rather there would be a different judiciary system for them made and based on their religion or their culture or their likes for example if a non-muslim steals he will get 3 years in prison etc, so Islamic Sharia has nothing bad to do for you instead it is good for you as it gives you ease economically too as in Sharia Law the Muslims every year have to pay 2.5% Zakat (charity tax) to the Islamic Government but Non-muslims have to Jizya Tax which is lower than Zakat tax I don't remember the percentage I guess it was 1.5% every year but it is less than what Muslims have to pay. You guys can live freely as you want in a Sharia law country if Sharia law is implemented 100%. You said Muslims want secularism in other countries but not in their countries it's not true we want either a separate law system that is Sharia law only for Muslim population and the majority follow their Religious law system or Secularism or if they don't give Sharia law for Muslim population than they give us at least secular system instead of their culture or religious system. Islam is a very peaceful religion if you follow and implement it 100%. Thank you ❤
What is Dr. Mehrub is even doing here and defending secularism when he doesn't even know the correct definition and legislations of Islamic sharia'a himself? And yet complaining about the answers given to him is "retrospective" in nature.
Great job done by Qaiser Raja sahab. You handled it well!
An absolute decimation by Qaiser Ahmed Raja, more power to Islam and to everyone who's a proponent of truth 💛
P.S: Special thanks to Moiz bhai for agreeing and not just hiding behind the screen like he does in his insta lives XD
Dr Qaiser nailed it with logic, where Dr Mehrub Moiz did well in terms of her emotional attachment with secularism but again it is wisely said; logic overrides emotions..hats off to both of them for making this important topic discussed in a smooth way by bringing it on the table with the cup of tea❤
She's a post secularist, she literally answered that question in the video
Qaiser Ahmad Raja is more efficient in a philosophical and logical argument . And The main statement is this "if a state is a democratic state with people voted against secularism , and secularism is imposed by the state then what will the state became ? , A secular state or a authoritarian state .
Religious chutiyape mai.
When arguments are no longer effective , a Individual adapt emotional statements . @@nha3920
@@nha3920cry harder ch1mp
Suppose kro k pakistan 🇵🇰 me complete shariat ajae to phir mulk chor k bhagna nai ? Theek he ?
@@umroyaarnahi bhagte meri jan jin k dil mein chor hota wahi chor k bhagte he haq se😅
Qaiser Raja Absolutely Nailed it!
Is such debate even possible in 'secular' india? Me as an Kashmiri indian doesnt think so.
5:38 misinformation/correction:
Allama Iqbal passed away in 1938, where as Pakistan Resolution was passed in 1940. Did Iqbal give the statement on Pakistan Resolution from his grave?
It was not Lahore/Pakistan Resolution, but Allahabad address(1930). Additionally, one statement to the rulers(British Govt.) through 'The Times' does not represent Iqbalian Theory as a whole, thus the letter, which was sent to a repressive authority, falls short of recognizing the true narrative of Two Nation Theory.
Leaders may be examined on their personal views, which may have some inconsistencies; however, it is worth mentioning that the collective will of the people of Pakistan was truly a movement for an Islamic state.
was looking for this comment. bravo 🤝🏻
true
Nailed it brother❤
Was about to comment this lol
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)
Choose your side now! Because if you claim to be a Muslim you have no choice but to strive to implement the law of Allah, forget about saying we don't need it.
If you say you are vegan then it's abnormal that you start eating and advocating for meat eating.
Liberals last resort is emotional arguments rather fact and rationality,
25000 Palestinians maar diye islamic country Pakistan army ke Zia ne islam ke naam per. Qaser choteah Raja ne jawab nahi diya iska. Fact batate hue bhi chup hojata hai.🙂
To tumhare kia arguments hen? Kia Afghanistan ki example tumhare samne nai?
@@umroyaarliterally her scandavian secular country ki example tumhare age he.. Jo her aitebar se crime rate mein third world countries se bhi age he.. Tumhari kia argument he?
@@cal_me_gulldozer hahahahaha Scandinavian countries ki example di jaati he as better society isi liye happiest countries me shamil hen ...kuch aqal se kaam lo Yr
now now....generalizing is bad
Well done Dr qaiser Raja. Pakistan is an Islamic state and it will be remain islamic in sha Allah.
Islam is the complete code of life and its the only way to establish humanity in true sense. I am proud Muslim Pakistani.
Lol your entire qom is depleting 😂😂😂
Shariyat ko paper pe likh lo ar logo se kaho dekho hamary country me shariya law hai, baki jab bat amal ki ati hai to, nae nae ji amal to hum nae karengay...
Dr Qaiser well done and I am glad that Pakistan has a person like you ...
A Request to TCM.
I urge you to invite Syed Muzamil Shah to debate Qaiser Raja on individualism vs. Altruism.
Qaisar raja will cry and curl up in a ball cuz muzammil is an educated person. 😂
@@user-ek5uq6ce2k He already invited Shah sahab for debate but he don't even wanna face that 😂 so called rationalist
@@user-ek5uq6ce2kYour Syed Muzamil is running away from debate and labels everyone irrational if a person doesn't agree with him.Atleast Moiz has come to debate but Muzamil runs away😂😂😂😂
@@faraazsiddiqui1450 your boyfriend qaiser is always trying get attention from muzammil but he never gets any 🤣 Cancer raza is the andhon ka kana raja. He keeps calling muzammil liberal but muzammil is actually right wing isolationist who wants to fix look inward to fix his own country before trying to talk about others. Accountability hotai huai sab ki gand phatee hai aur few politicians hain jo aisai karnai ka khawab bhi daikh sakta hain. Your establishment is not chutiya kai woh kabhi self accountable kon. Cancer Raja has no real solutions.. Just constant bullshit
@@user-ek5uq6ce2kmuzammil is a liar gashti ka bacha
Full marks for Dr Awan confidence and how he portrays his arguments but still when you think about arguments you find that they are not weighted and emotionally inspired rather then based on facts whereas Raja sb arguments are weighted. Very informative and enlightening debate. Thanks TCM for this master piece!
Would you tell me what Dr. Awan is "He" or "She"? Thanks
@@MuhammadSameen39Chakka
@@siyasination8129 🙃🙂
@@MuhammadSameen39 her pronouns are she/her as she is a more feminine khwajasara.
@@MuhammadSameen39She is a HE , Don't make Pakistan queer , Let's just stay conservative ! , She is a HE , She is a kusra , which means He is She in other buts actually she is HE and He is dead in the brain
Simply wow! what a commendable effort by TCM - salute. The arguments were really enriching and thought-provoking from both opponents - applause.
Happy to listen such debate appreciation to TCM for organizing this debate and thumbs up for Dr Moiz Awaz for her well prepaired homework she did that represented her position but lots of love to Dr Qaiser Ahmed Raja for representing the true picture and position of Islam and shariah۔ May Allah help us to implement Allah's Law fully in this Country Ameen❤
The fact that Ahmed Raja just destroyed the attempt to degrade the Islamic system from Dr Awan is absolutely fantastic, the way he is tackling dr awan's behavior is what makes Dr Raja an absolutely fantastic.
Secondly, everytime Dr Awan speaks, she sounds so well, however, when Dr Raja speaks he just makes everything nullify dr awan says in a very polite, and realistic way.
Thank you TCM, Dr Raja, and Dr Mehrub.
Raja sahab ne 25000 palestianians ko marne wale Zia ka naam nahi liya merab ke sawal per. Jo itna dartha hai dollar army se woh sirf army ka tool hosakta hai. Woh kya destroy kare ga kisi argument ko. Uski bolti band hogaye Zia ka naam per.
@@nha3920 read the topic of the debate. He is just avoiding unnecessary drama unlike Mehrub, the debate is timed. Secularism is not a solution. And why on earth Dr Mehrub was asking that, the point at that moment was not the name of general Zia.
@@publicstudio66 Cancer Raja took many names Mao Zedong, Lenin, Marx just because they were self proclaimed secular leaders although all of them had nothing to do with post secularism of pakistan that mehrb is refering to. Same is the case with gen zia who is father of taliban and darling of all Islamists in Pakistan, who has destroyed the history with ideology in the same name that Cancer Raja is advocating " Sharia". Zia's era has lead to where we stand now. pretty shameful state.
@@publicstudio66 Koi drama avoid nahi kar raha. General Zia ka naam liya to black vigo army ki abduct kar legi isko. Darta hai dollar army se. Islam ke naam per Zia ne pakistan ko barbad kardiya hai yeah baat chotiyah raja achi tarah janta hai.
@@fahadhameed7513their is no thing "secularism of Pakistan"
Qaiser Ahmed Raja 👑
Bhaie according to many shriat mein Tasweer haram hai then why have you put it on your profile.
JIS GHAR MEIN TASWEER AUR KUTTA HO US GHAR MEIN REHMAT KE FARISHTE NHI AATE.
@@sarmadsardar2218 tasweer wala argument apka apna hai, baqi kutta k baray main theek hai
@@sarmadsardar2218 first of all we need to understand the difference
Ya jo picture ha this is not actually wo pic jo mana he
This is a combination of pixels
Shariat main jo tasweer haram ha wo he jo hath se banai jay which imitates idols
Qaiser Raza supports RSS majority replacement of secular constitution with their Shariah constitution 👏👏
This was the debate between Rationality and emotionality. When was asked clear cut questions, she dogded them in a very cunning way. She became temperamental when was unable to answer. Although a good debate with facts, arguments and Qaiser Raja sahb can be seen calm throughout the debate even to the itching and passionate talk of Dr Mehrub. That thing makes him a good debater.
Alhamdulillah, for having qaisar Ahmad Raja sb winner in every field.
It was a good initiative taken by TMC we will appreciate such debates in future too
In sha Allah
Mehrub is the type of guy (He) who haven't patience for listening peacefully - Calmly 😁
Mehrub is made by Allah like us. And God sometimes makes us and sometimes makes special people.
@@moosa1372 Yeah and Allah made him and MAN.
@@moosa1372 beautiful lines
@moosa1372 god made someone and he decided to change him thts the problem bro
Because he is totally stubborn and less knowledge he is not even clear on his own concept of post secularism
Qaisar Raja became very logical. He thrashed all logics of Dr.Merub.
In the light of whole debate, it is clear that Qaisar Raja has proved his point.
More power to you Mr. Qaiser Raja you absolutely nailed this debate
Qaiser Raja is a win ❤ Alhamdulillah
Indeed
Sir Qaiser is a real gem 💎
Dr. qaiser destroyed the anti islam opponent 😊
Awan seems more of a public speaker than a debater, while Raja is very to the point with what he says.
Such debates are the need of the time, where this society full of hate against each other can witness that people regardless of their sheer ideological differences can sit to exchange arguments in a peaceful & constructive manner.
Thanks to TCM for organising this debate!
That both ideologies are not seems clear at the end but they both did a great job to come across their point of views which is highly appreciated.
More power to you qaiser sir 🙌❤️
Firstly, Moez Misinterpreted Karl Marx's quote. Democracy is when two wolves and a lamb vote for what to eat for lunch.
go to afghanistan and live under shariah lol
@@bluecheetah666
100% would love to 😊
@@bluecheetah666I love Afghanistan ❤
@@bluecheetah666One day InshaAllah thr sharia is best
go to heera mandi and live there. lol@@bluecheetah666
When doctor Awan couldn't present any good example of secularism, She went for post secularism & for sure if post secularism is tested, that even also can't be justified.
Islamic states have proved that Islamic system is only perfect & human friendly system.
Any single practicing Muslim can't be harmful for even animals how Islamic system can create difficulties for humanity?
Dr Awan doesn't know how shria originally works.
Well done Mr Raja ❤
she gave examples of post-secularism ( canada). just google the countries with the best quality of life for minorities and women, and you will mostly find secular countries in top 10
Aur qaisar ne kitney examples deye hai sharia law kay?
Let me tell you how it can create difficulties, tell me what are the rights of blasphemers and apostates in an Islamic state?
@@Soul-ud6vdso what post securlarism is a theory, theories are bound to change i.e. there is uncertainty based on uncertain idea he is trying impose it on Pakistan which he himself is not sure of, thats absurd.Frankly the example are not that great Mehrub gave. Plus the topic had secularism not the later
As expected from speakers like these they always change their position when cornered
@@NizarAlvi90he gave example of Riyaste Madinah, a historical example. Which Mehrub was rejecting earlier by saying that history then later he is stating that Qaiser didnt give any example from history, yaar yeh mehrub banda kya kichdi paka raha hain. Its like a small kid when offered food by his mother doesnt wanna eat and when hes hungry he states momma didnt offer me food
Brilliantly done !
It's so appropriate way of conflict expression. A respected mutual medium of discussion between two different opinions. I respect❤
Raja sb clearly evaded all the questions. Going through the comments section, it clearly shows how we still have a long way to go before analytically understanding any comment/debate which talks about Secularism (or anything which in its most basic level, challenges the abuse done in the name of religion in Pakistan). Hats off to TCM for this initiative though.
.انسان کی خواہشات انسان کو کچھ بھی بنا سکتی ہے یہاں تک کہ مغرب کو اپنا سب کچھ سمجھنے پر مجبور کر سکتی ہے.انسانی اور اخلاقی کراوٹ کا دوسرا نام سیکولرازم
Good to see Cary on❤
Yes ! This is call a pure and informative debate and we really need this kind of programs.
Thank You so much TMC for providing such an informative content.
Lots of love respect From Mohen Jo Daro Pakistan ❤️✨
Rational and logical Dr. Mehrub! Please keep it up!
Only two points of sharia:
a- Only a group of people from a certain religion have the right to rule the people, don't allow Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and other minority groups to hold the higher offices.
b- Take money (jaziya) from Christians, Hindus and other religious minorities because they are living in the country.
Where is Equality in shria????
Since you are already here on TH-cam, search on these questions and see what explanation Muslim scholars offer,
Jizya is much less than zakat (that muslims have to pay) and paying taxes is OK but Jizya is not?
Hahahah abdulls even dont know what is shariah but funny thing is they want shariah
Shariah is most stup!d thing to call a system 😊
Jizya nahi dena? Chalo theek hay, zakat de do phir, jo jizya se ziyadah hay aye muslims par farz hay.
Watching for the first time but really feeling pumped that atleast there exists debate program in Pakistan although not on a news national channel
A good practice by TCM.
Please continue the effort.
Really informative.
Kindly try to upload one Dabate in a single video.
Well It will be fun to see the finale but up till now Dr awan has given many arguments that were more backed up by emotions rather than facts. Qaiser Ahmed raja on the other hand has kept a cool demeanor throughout the conversation and also made me think about the direction our country was supposed to be heading towards. Kudos to you 🔥
💯💯💯 Right
Qaser rajah uske questions dodge kar raha tha. Jawab nahi diya merab ke questions ka.
Qaiser Raja just earned my respect when he mentioned Sanatan Dharma. This shows how clear he's with his thoughts. Although,Dr Mehrub did an incredible job, but Qaiser sahab nailed it with his arguments.
Like always he has clear answers to opposite side like how he mentioned Hinduwata but no clear answer on his own topic sharia
He said that he agrees with indian secular legislature
The best use of Media and internet. Such debates should be encouraged to eliminate confusion from society. Youth should be inclined towards such beneficial content.
Splendid Discussion, such discussion should be many more in Pakistan.
Hatts of to Sir Qaiser Ahmed Raja for a wonderful Insight.
General Zia ke bare mai sawal kiya Dr merab ne to chup kyon lag gaye? Sari insight teel lene chali gaye black vigo mai Raja sahab ki.
to awan sab na kon sa koi jawab diya tha sahi sa baat hi khuma phira rha tha bas words ko idher udher karna ata ha logic less answers da rha tha
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@@nha3920it was irrelevant bro
go to afghanistan and live under shariah lol
@@bluecheetah666 apko US jana chahye to bow to your Lord Secularism😅. Bcz we are a majority who want Shariah ❤
Such a beautiful debate between two different debaters
Worth to watch. Both mindset hv discussed their points nicely.
I loved the fact that Dr. Mehrub built a strong narrative using all bells and whistles at her disposal but Qaiser Sahab kept dismantling her with logic and a calm disposition. Made her look bad in the end tbh.
Mehrub(him)😁
him
Him
I totally agree with Dr Merab
There is no single rule that is called islam. Every mosque/ fiqh is a different islam hence there is no islam left
Only Islam is everywhere ❤
I agree
One of the most decent debates I've ever seen. Both the competeters listen to each other patiently and agree on many points both have plenty of knowledge to argue and defend his point of view but qaisar raja sahb has a great intellect and just nailed it.❤
when you dont know about shariah then how can you oppose it without knowing it
Amazing Debate
As An Individual I Stand with Real Islamic Sharia
go to afghanistan and live under shariah lol
@@bluecheetah666why does he should go to afghanistan? He’s living in a country that was created on the basis of fundamentals of Islam so first of all have some courage to put ur real name on ur id so one can think that it’s not a bot i’m talking to nd secondly go have a read
@@kamranjaveed8519 any one who loves shariah can go and live in Afghanistan and enjoy shariah :) if shariah was that good why Muslims are taking asylums in secular countries ?
You know the story of Mishal khan, srilankan manager and salman taseer? do you still want me to put my real name? are you serious? you know what kind of barbaric people you are.
I have read quran and hadith and left islam
Quran 65:4 allow muslim men to marry prepubacsent girls. Read tafseers of Modudi, Jalalain, ibn kathir to know the truth
also Aisha her self said that she was a child and she used to play with dolls and Imam Hajar commented that she was allowed to play with
dolls because she was a child
quran 4:3 4:24 23:6 allow muslim men to have sex slaves .
there are several hadith about selling and buing of slaves
kids born from slave girls dont have any inheritance
multiple men can own a single slave girl and can have sex with her
read hadith and fiqh
@@kamranjaveed8519he's right..if he wants to live under sharia so badly he can go to Afghanistan :)
@@user-ek5uq6ce2k another unknown lunatic
Intellectual vs post intellectual
Well-done Raja sahab❤
Qaisar Ahmad raja The reward ❤
Clearly Doctor Moiz has some valid points hats off 💯
Seemed like Dr awan will win for sure after watching the opening statement. But how tables were turned is amazing.
Please keep making such content 🙏 Salute TCM originals!
Qaisar Ahmad Raja sb just nailed it MashaAllah 💖💕💕💞
Sorry he is wrong
Can anybody give some context or source about the letter alama iqbal wrote to a newspaper as mentioned by dr awan around 6:00?
Thanks to TCM
بہت خوب پاکستان کے میڈیا میں اس سے اچھا پروگرام کبھی دیکھنے کو نہیں ملا۔ قیصر احمد راجہ صاحب کے آرگومنٹ سٹرونگ ہیں❤
Great discourse. Dr Awan's arguments were mostly bassd on emotions meanwhile Qaiser Sahab backed his arguments with logic and authentic references
Qaser Choteah Raja 1400 saal pehle ke dark ages ke tribal daur mai bhaitha hua hai. Uska ajj ke issues se koi taluq nahi hai.
@@nha3920 oh hindu and you are living in 2300 B.C I don't know why Hindus are changing their account names and becoming fake Liberal Secular Muslims
To defend this G@y
In fact, Indian Hindus want a Hindu country ( Hindu Rashtra) for them and Hinduism is this
Ram R-p-d 4 years old Sita but God🤣
Blue Krishna with 1400 wives playboy God🤣
Bhrama married his daughter Dughert f-k-r God🤣
Haumand bawli Gnd an evolving monkey God 🤣
This is Hinduism Bull S-i-t Religion Hinduism🤣
He didn't.
@@nha3920uss hisab se tou democracy 1400 saal se bhi purani hai (Ancient Greece ) ??
@@Stern5495 he did if you cared enough to listen.
Very good initiative
Its actually the lack of knowledge of Mehrub that has caused this educational and rational discussion to end up with so many disagreements and no positive outcome.
I request TMC to please ask the debators to prepare well before they begin to argue in the face of masses
Dr Mehrub Is Talk Like Very Ill Manners Shouting And On The Other Hand Qaiser Ahmad Raja Is Very Calm And Respectfully Talking
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)
Choose your side now! Because if you claim to be a Muslim you have no choice but to strive to implement the law of Allah, forget about saying we don't need it.
If you say you are vegan then it's abnormal that you start eating and advocating for meat eating.
Ram R-p-d 4 years old Sita but God🤣
Blue Krishna with 1400 wives playboy God🤣
Bhrama married his daughter Dughert f-k-r God🤣
Haumand bawli Gnd an evolving monkey God 🤣
This is Hinduism Bull S-i-t Religion Hinduism🤣
Jews also have right to apply their sharia too ??
@@jidrit999if they are in a majority in a land then they should be able to rule themselves under whatever law they want
@@Adnan-gz4zk Ok. Then Pakistan and other countries should accept Israel. They are following their scriptures and made country as per land given to them by their God
@@jidrit999 they have courrpted the scripture, and we had a agreement with the world that we will not oppressed minority and commit war crimes like they are doing.
جزاکم الله خيرا راجاقيصراحمد فأنت أمل شباب المسلم وسيف صارم على أعناق الملاحدة المختلقة في باكستان لأجل أغراض مادية بحت
such a beautiful self control and patience smile of sir Raja Qaiser. He is true debator and ask very simple questions. being a pakistani i want shariah of our beloved prophet Mohammad SAW.
give vote in comment who want shariah and who wants secularism. ???
Jitna secularism k naam pe bloodshed hua, kabhi nahi hua.
80000 paks are dead due to islamic terrorism
@@JayLim-bn9fh I'll just say one thing. Gone are the days where Muslims will sit back and educate you lot. Why? Because what's happening in Palestine is more than enough to prove who the real terrorists are and who controls justice, and secondly, Muslims don't owe you ppl an explanation! You want to call Muslim terrorists, I don't give a crap. Anyone who has a rational brain cell, will do their research and then speak. So yeah. Save it. I'm done with these typical accusations of "oh but Muslims killed so and so". Read history yourself and then come here and speak.
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@@JayLim-bn9fhDue to "Islamic terrorism" or due to the so-called "War on terror"?
@@rashstuff4846 Due to Islamic terrorism.
@@rashstuff4846 due to the taliban who were fed delusions of going right to heaven after bomb blast...
that's the whole point of secularism that religion is not inherently bad but people use it as a tool to control others..
Dr. Moiz. Great mind. In Post secularism we try to remove or alter pre drawbacks with passage of time.
Change is law of nature.
If some issue arise with passage of time who will tell you what to do in Sharia 🤔🤔🤔 what will be the reference.
😂😂😂
Spoken like a true gora
Quran and Sunnah
Sharia is perfect it doesn't need change but your post secularism will need change because it gives advantage to the rich and the rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer.Capitalism is a product of secularism and not Islam.I ask Moiz how he will eradicate poverty when secularism steals from destitute and fills the stomach of affluents.Whereas Islam orders affluents to pay 2.5% of the wealth tax to the poor and no taxes are imposed on poor.In secularism,poor and middle class suffer the most and rich gets richer by evading the taxes.
What a healthy discussion. I hope anyone who watch this video, will learn how to bear argument and convey your argument.
Dear Mehrub Moiz, please share with us the letter written by Allama Muhammad Iqbal to English Newspaper about his concerns upon resolution of Pakistan
TCM's initiative is fantastic! I thoroughly enjoyed the informative debate; it clarified many concepts for me.
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Dr Qaisar rocked