Qaiser: How are... Mehrub: Rhetorical device Qaiser: What is.... Mehrub: Rhetorical device Qaiser: My question is.... Mehrub: Rhetorical device All what Mehrub has to say is Rhetorical device and Rhetorical instrument. Qaiser sahb's cross examination is a 10/10 ❤❤
If Shria Laws are anti women anti humanity it is not good for any reason to implement. Nothing more shameful in 2024 to use this outdated laws Arabic culture. I can say Muhammad follow becuz he born there. Religion culture are seprate issue. 4 Wife, Sex Slavery, TV Media Dance Music Ban, Halala, instant Divorce, Property Rights, In-Equality. Stone to death, Dress restrictions, Education restrictions, Hijab Burka, Ban on Girls education. Child marriage Jihad. 4 evidence for rape, Aurat half Brain, half evidence these are against Mankind and Arabic culture not religion
I saw this comment before watching the video and I was like yeah how could that be said for every argument though...now that I have watched it, can't agree more!😂
The point where it all went down for secularism is where Dr Moiz said we have to talk about post secularism. Qaiser sir just nailed it by asking the question : If you don't have any example or working system of the post secularism and it's just a thought then how can you say that the system we believe in is problematic? We have the example of the era where shariah existed and worked without any error and your post secularism didn't existed. Qaiser sir for sure is the winner of the debate.
Name - ISLAMABAD but it's the most liberal Immodest city in whole pakistan 😂 This explains the whole situation of Pakistan. Islam is used by politicians and establishment for votes and power . They fool public with Islamic touch , but their intentions is always against Islam. Never get fooled by politician's dress and speech. See , what they are practically doing and promoting below the belt.
At least , the secularism lost itself and role and changed to post secularism . The same had happened in the debate with the Athiest Haris sultan when he got escaped from his very stance on Athiestic morality while the debate was on Islamic morality vs Athiestic morality . They don't have something to support their stance and get escape to something new to hide behind it . Ma Sha Allah , Qaiser sir . Allah pak ka Fazal ho tum par hamesha !
@@user-MissKhan80 Very usual question from liberals and athiests . 😄 First i will recommend the debate between Qaiser and Haris . The 2nd one is the answer of javed ghamidi on this , it will clear you . The third one option is that Qaiser Ahmad raja's live sessions , Q and Ans on any topic or especially this question. Follow him and when there is session , ask what you want . You will be given time and respect. You won't be disappointed .
Brother the idea of secularism is about getting away from dogmas! What happened in china, Russia, were also because of dogmas! State should be separated from all kinds of Ideologies, whether it is communism or hindutva or shriat. Because I don’t want my society to think that it is okay to beat your wife as mentioned in Surah Nisa verse 34 or to think that they can have 4 wives or can keep londis.
@@nooralikhan9645 lol harris didn't even lost that debate, this raja guy is just so blatantly stupid that he wasn't even able to differentiate between an amoral and relatively moral stand that harris was pointing out while commenting on morality.
@@JayLim-bn9fhWhy dumb*** ? This is our country we pay text, living for years, we are the majority, our elders struggle for this. So you better go to the west :)
@@JayLim-bn9fhNo, why go to Afghanistan? We are Pakistani. Why not we try for Shariah here, while intellectually defeating poor secularists & apostates on every platform (like in this video), despite your tears? 😂
@@rashstuff4846 Because religious parties have consistently failed to get any support at the national level? People have consistently voted against parties that ran on a religious narrative so, how are you going to try it here? Secondly, Mehrub isn't a debator. If Qaiser actually wanted to do something, he'd debate actual secular philosophers instead of random social media influencers or publish his arguments in a philosophical journal. Yani itni bhi aqal nai ha? Lastly, these aren't new issues, these debates have been occurring in the West for decades now. If you lot actually wanted to challenge people, you'd talk to people actually accomplished in the field. Bas YT par bongian maar kar khush ho jao.
No, Allama Iqbal did not denounce that he had not presented the Pakistan Resolution. In fact, he was quite proud of the role he played in the creation of Pakistan. In a speech to the All India Muslim League in 1930, he said: "The resolution that was presented yesterday is not only a resolution of the Muslim League, but it is also a resolution of the Muslims of India." He also wrote several poems and articles in support of the Pakistan Movement. In his poem "Talaq" (Divorce), he wrote: "O Muslims, awake! Your destiny is calling you. It is time to break the chains of slavery and be free. Pakistan is your homeland, and it is your right to rule it." Iqbal's support for the Pakistan Movement was unwavering, and he never denounced the Pakistan Resolution. However, there is some evidence that he was not entirely happy with the way the Pakistan Movement was unfolding. For example, in a letter to his friend Muhammad Ali Jinnah in 1937, he wrote: "I am not satisfied with the way the Pakistan Movement is going. It is becoming too sectarian and dogmatic. We need to focus on the economic and social development of the Muslim community." Despite his reservations, Iqbal continued to support the Pakistan Movement until his death in 1938. He is widely regarded as one of the founding fathers of Pakistan, and his legacy continues to inspire Pakistanis today.
Thank you for the clarification. Aur jahan tak small difference of opinion raha bhi ho to Itnay baray kaamon main jahan eik poori country bun rahi ho wahan every individual can have their own opinions that can differ with others.
Dr Moiz: I am pro democratic Dr Qaiser: then we should listen to the masses of Pakistan because surveys show that the want shariah. Dr Moiz: Error 404 not found.
@alimehdi4160 Again that's not the point The point is the will of the people. They want shariah not secularism. You back off from secularism, we (the people) will give you shariah
@@alimehdi4160jb itne log chah rhevhain to iska mtlb wo kisi jaga ittefaq kr rhe hain is liye sb maslak ke ulma ko bitha kr aik shari law bana diya jaye jo ke duniya bhar ke liye misal rhega pakistan wali sharia.. ye kesa hai😊
Full marks for Dr Awan confidence and how he portrays his arguments but still when you think about arguments you find that they are not weighted and emotionally inspired rather then based on facts whereas Raja sb arguments are weighted. Very informative and enlightening debate. Thanks TCM for this master piece!
@@MuhammadSameen39She is a HE , Don't make Pakistan queer , Let's just stay conservative ! , She is a HE , She is a kusra , which means He is She in other buts actually she is HE and He is dead in the brain
Implementation of sharia is one thing and opposing the implementation is other thing which in turns leads to untrust on Allah's laws. Mehrub showed such behavior in the whole debate and consider herself wiser than almighty Allah.such like behaviour had showed by jews and other ummas in the past.Due to such like educated rigid people in pakistan we are on the verge of bankruptcy,unjustice etc thank you raja sb
Dr Qaiser nailed it with logic, where Dr Mehrub Moiz did well in terms of her emotional attachment with secularism but again it is wisely said; logic overrides emotions..hats off to both of them for making this important topic discussed in a smooth way by bringing it on the table with the cup of tea❤
so the debate went from secularism to post secularism all of a sudden :), salute to qaiser bhai for exposing the shallowness of the ISMs against islam.
@@bobobobo3142 the science is not the result of liberalism. You guys are not even productive right now.all the products are from asia and your youth only makes wealth while we create value.
Raja sb clearly evaded all the questions. Going through the comments section, it clearly shows how we still have a long way to go before analytically understanding any comment/debate which talks about Secularism (or anything which in its most basic level, challenges the abuse done in the name of religion in Pakistan). Hats off to TCM for this initiative though.
@@JdownJdownYour Syed Muzamil is running away from debate and labels everyone irrational if a person doesn't agree with him.Atleast Moiz has come to debate but Muzamil runs away😂😂😂😂
@@faraazsiddiqui1450 your boyfriend qaiser is always trying get attention from muzammil but he never gets any 🤣 Cancer raza is the andhon ka kana raja. He keeps calling muzammil liberal but muzammil is actually right wing isolationist who wants to fix look inward to fix his own country before trying to talk about others. Accountability hotai huai sab ki gand phatee hai aur few politicians hain jo aisai karnai ka khawab bhi daikh sakta hain. Your establishment is not chutiya kai woh kabhi self accountable kon. Cancer Raja has no real solutions.. Just constant bullshit
@@ravikumar-gg9zg what hypocrisy? your india claim to be secular but don't treat people equally go vote for BJP and don't ever complain about hypocrisy
@@adb4678hindu Christian population decreasing in Pakistan ,systematic oppression and forced conversions and underage kidnappings of girls are rampant ,unlike in india .
@@LucasKshNo, there is no such thing that the population of Muslims is increasing and the population of other religions is decreasing in Pakistan. This is because Muslim families tend to have more children and other religions families settle for two or less children.
Well It will be fun to see the finale but up till now Dr awan has given many arguments that were more backed up by emotions rather than facts. Qaiser Ahmed raja on the other hand has kept a cool demeanor throughout the conversation and also made me think about the direction our country was supposed to be heading towards. Kudos to you 🔥
Muslims want sharia law in their own country, but secularism in non-Muslim countries. Oppression on Hindus is increasing day by day in Pakistan. Never did these religious traders raise their voice for the protection of people of different opinion. Just like a parrot, Islam sings the religion of peace by heart. Buddhist-Jain-Confucian religions never sing that our religion is the religion of peace like Muslims. Only Muslims sing this. By the usage of Muslims one can understand whether they are really peaceful or non-violent.
@@dhakacity6574 tbh we don't give a fu*k about other countries it's them who always have a problem with shria law and want to stick there nose in our affairs
@@dhakacity6574 one can also understand your agenda why you didn't mention hindu's Oppression on Muslims? more hate crimes against Muslims than any other, more Muslims died in recent history than any other religion or race. go cry somewhere else you are made cause we don't promote ra*e like other religions do
An absolute decimation by Qaiser Ahmed Raja, more power to Islam and to everyone who's a proponent of truth 💛 P.S: Special thanks to Moiz bhai for agreeing and not just hiding behind the screen like he does in his insta lives XD
Qaiser Raja: "We are not sure that securalism is a good thing but we want to bring secularism because we are not sure what Shariat is" This statement of Raja shows his sharp mind and logical approach. This single statement has demolished Dr. Moiz's whole edifice of secular state. 👏
Sharia can't be implemented in the modern world of trade & technology. you'd have to do loads of mental gymnastics to get it up to date with the present times and that's where the problem lies - there won't be consensus on the translations & adaption of Shariat so even if a compromise is reached by all someone will standup and say this is not Sharia and the debate will go on.
@@govuxyz fair point, but then that is the issue with liberal or secular democracy as well. So how do you solve it ? you don't, you find a middle ground and then enforce it. If we start viewing things that way, then absolute monarchy or dictatorship are the absolute best things. The difference of opinions and argument happens in congresses and parliaments and senates too. No law has 100 percent support of all representatives so if sharia is being considering as a system, it has to involve large number of scholars , perhaps just as many as the representatives in Parliament to make it work. It does not stop you from technological advancements or adoption or creation of technologies. Sharia does not say once should stay away from robotics or computing or aerospace engineering. Yes, there is strict stipulations against certain trade practices, commodities or financial transactions. But then those are exactly the reasons it should be tried.
well thats totally rhetorical statement by qaisar ahmad raja as he is beating around the bush to avoid the question about the definition of sharia. using devices of like sophists spoils the honesty of the debate.
Untill yesterday we needed secular Pakistan and now we need post secular Pakistan.😂😂 This is real example of how confused our self proclaimed highly educated and genius community is..
Not allowing religion/Islam is definitely secularism, what they want, but when it is not possible to defend it, they say POST-SECULARISM. I wonder post secularism is after secularism, means, first face secularism and they face these blo__y secular in post secularism era
The fact that Ahmed Raja just destroyed the attempt to degrade the Islamic system from Dr Awan is absolutely fantastic, the way he is tackling dr awan's behavior is what makes Dr Raja an absolutely fantastic. Secondly, everytime Dr Awan speaks, she sounds so well, however, when Dr Raja speaks he just makes everything nullify dr awan says in a very polite, and realistic way. Thank you TCM, Dr Raja, and Dr Mehrub.
Raja sahab ne 25000 palestianians ko marne wale Zia ka naam nahi liya merab ke sawal per. Jo itna dartha hai dollar army se woh sirf army ka tool hosakta hai. Woh kya destroy kare ga kisi argument ko. Uski bolti band hogaye Zia ka naam per.
@@nha3920 read the topic of the debate. He is just avoiding unnecessary drama unlike Mehrub, the debate is timed. Secularism is not a solution. And why on earth Dr Mehrub was asking that, the point at that moment was not the name of general Zia.
@@studentsheaven-d8v Cancer Raja took many names Mao Zedong, Lenin, Marx just because they were self proclaimed secular leaders although all of them had nothing to do with post secularism of pakistan that mehrb is refering to. Same is the case with gen zia who is father of taliban and darling of all Islamists in Pakistan, who has destroyed the history with ideology in the same name that Cancer Raja is advocating " Sharia". Zia's era has lead to where we stand now. pretty shameful state.
@@studentsheaven-d8v Koi drama avoid nahi kar raha. General Zia ka naam liya to black vigo army ki abduct kar legi isko. Darta hai dollar army se. Islam ke naam per Zia ne pakistan ko barbad kardiya hai yeah baat chotiyah raja achi tarah janta hai.
Rational and logical Dr. Mehrub! Please keep it up! Only two points of sharia: a- Only a group of people from a certain religion have the right to rule the people, don't allow Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and other minority groups to hold the higher offices. b- Take money (jaziya) from Christians, Hindus and other religious minorities because they are living in the country. Where is Equality in shria????
Such debates are the need of the time, where this society full of hate against each other can witness that people regardless of their sheer ideological differences can sit to exchange arguments in a peaceful & constructive manner. Thanks to TCM for organising this debate!
Qaiser Ahmad Raja is more efficient in a philosophical and logical argument . And The main statement is this "if a state is a democratic state with people voted against secularism , and secularism is imposed by the state then what will the state became ? , A secular state or a authoritarian state .
Yes ! This is call a pure and informative debate and we really need this kind of programs. Thank You so much TMC for providing such an informative content. Lots of love respect From Mohen Jo Daro Pakistan ❤️✨
Mehrub moiz is no doubt is fluent and clear apart from all the disagreements I have with her. I like her patterns of speech. Baki we all knows what we want what we need what we desire.
Muslims want sharia law in their own country, but secularism in non-Muslim countries. Oppression on Hindus is increasing day by day in Pakistan. Never did these religious traders raise their voice for the protection of people of different opinion. Just like a parrot, Islam sings the religion of peace by heart. Buddhist-Jain-Confucian religions never sing that our religion is the religion of peace like Muslims. Only Muslims sing this. By the usage of Muslims one can understand whether they are really peaceful or non-violent.
@@dhakacity6574Bro let me explain you in Islam it says that Sharia law is not applicable on non-muslims it's applicable only on Muslims so by saying we want Sharia law in all Muslim countries mean that only the Muslim population living in the country will have to follow Sharia law not other religions people and to deal with them there would be a separate law system based on their majority likes and opinions for example in Sharia law if someone steals his hand should be cut off as a punishment so if a Muslim will steal his hands will get cut off but if a non-muslim steals his hands will not be cut off rather there would be a different judiciary system for them made and based on their religion or their culture or their likes for example if a non-muslim steals he will get 3 years in prison etc, so Islamic Sharia has nothing bad to do for you instead it is good for you as it gives you ease economically too as in Sharia Law the Muslims every year have to pay 2.5% Zakat (charity tax) to the Islamic Government but Non-muslims have to Jizya Tax which is lower than Zakat tax I don't remember the percentage I guess it was 1.5% every year but it is less than what Muslims have to pay. You guys can live freely as you want in a Sharia law country if Sharia law is implemented 100%. You said Muslims want secularism in other countries but not in their countries it's not true we want either a separate law system that is Sharia law only for Muslim population and the majority follow their Religious law system or Secularism or if they don't give Sharia law for Muslim population than they give us at least secular system instead of their culture or religious system. Islam is a very peaceful religion if you follow and implement it 100%. Thank you ❤
Happy to listen such debate appreciation to TCM for organizing this debate and thumbs up for Dr Moiz Awaz for her well prepaired homework she did that represented her position but lots of love to Dr Qaiser Ahmed Raja for representing the true picture and position of Islam and shariah۔ May Allah help us to implement Allah's Law fully in this Country Ameen❤
Seemed like Dr awan will win for sure after watching the opening statement. But how tables were turned is amazing. Please keep making such content 🙏 Salute TCM originals!
Qaiser Sahab’s knowledge and sharpness of mind to identify the root cause of the problem is brilliant ma Sha Allah. I wish Educated Pakistanis to become his student and learn valuable skill from him .
Dr Merub was dodging clear cut questions while being rather emotional and ill mannered whereas Qaiser Raja sahb truly conducted a well spoken, thorough and factual debate
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44) Choose your side now! Because if you claim to be a Muslim you have no choice but to strive to implement the law of Allah, forget about saying we don't need it. If you say you are vegan then it's abnormal that you start eating and advocating for meat eating.
we can see how bad Islam is we have 57 Islamic countries and most of them are horrible place to live and a hell for woman. why most of the Muslims wanna go to Europe, the USA or Australia to take benefit of their labral life style lol. NO one wanna live in Islamic hell
Ridicule is the tribute paid to the genius by the mediocrities -Oscar Wilde Very well done Dr Mehrub❤ This society is not yet ready for intellectual ideas like yours. Your stance won't attract a large audience here, but those few who support you understand very well, and time will reveal that every word you've spoken is irrefutably true. Stay strong🙌 The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience -Arthur Schopenhauer P.S (No disrespect for Raja Sahab despite the intellectual disagreements)
Come late to see it but I am thankful to ALLAH Almighty that he blessed us with mindfulness and clarity in the face of Qaisar Ahmed Raja. More power to you sir. You nailed it. May ALLAH Blessed you more with the wisdom, health and life. STAY BLESSED AND IN ALLAH'S PROTECTION. AMEEN.
i have watched all 3 parts of this debate, both the participant have good command over their topics, These types of debates must be appreciated and this culture must be cultivated in pakistan. thumbs up for TCM for arranging such debate. Expecting debates ahead on more hot issues of pakistan.
Now that's why nowadays the most important need of our young generation is to focus on each and every single one of the deep knowledge of every isam!! Because you can't handle them easily and here is such a stupendous example Infront of our eye's, Men o men He is just a superb Genius ❤❤❤
Qaiser Raja just earned my respect when he mentioned Sanatan Dharma. This shows how clear he's with his thoughts. Although,Dr Mehrub did an incredible job, but Qaiser sahab nailed it with his arguments.
@@nha3920 oh hindu and you are living in 2300 B.C I don't know why Hindus are changing their account names and becoming fake Liberal Secular Muslims To defend this G@y In fact, Indian Hindus want a Hindu country ( Hindu Rashtra) for them and Hinduism is this Ram R-p-d 4 years old Sita but God🤣 Blue Krishna with 1400 wives playboy God🤣 Bhrama married his daughter Dughert f-k-r God🤣 Haumand bawli Gnd an evolving monkey God 🤣 This is Hinduism Bull S-i-t Religion Hinduism🤣
Mehrub Moiz well done again.Mehrub is one who possesses a curious and open-minded perspective, embracing the complexities and uncertainties of the world while seeking to understand and address its most pressing issues. This individual is characterized by a willingness to challenge assumptions, question established norms, and explore innovative solutions to complex problems, often combining traditional wisdom with cutting-edge knowledge and technology.
When doctor Awan couldn't present any good example of secularism, She went for post secularism & for sure if post secularism is tested, that even also can't be justified. Islamic states have proved that Islamic system is only perfect & human friendly system. Any single practicing Muslim can't be harmful for even animals how Islamic system can create difficulties for humanity? Dr Awan doesn't know how shria originally works. Well done Mr Raja ❤
she gave examples of post-secularism ( canada). just google the countries with the best quality of life for minorities and women, and you will mostly find secular countries in top 10
@@Soul-ud6vdso what post securlarism is a theory, theories are bound to change i.e. there is uncertainty based on uncertain idea he is trying impose it on Pakistan which he himself is not sure of, thats absurd.Frankly the example are not that great Mehrub gave. Plus the topic had secularism not the later As expected from speakers like these they always change their position when cornered
@@NizarAlvi90he gave example of Riyaste Madinah, a historical example. Which Mehrub was rejecting earlier by saying that history then later he is stating that Qaiser didnt give any example from history, yaar yeh mehrub banda kya kichdi paka raha hain. Its like a small kid when offered food by his mother doesnt wanna eat and when hes hungry he states momma didnt offer me food
Dr. Moiz. Great mind. In Post secularism we try to remove or alter pre drawbacks with passage of time. Change is law of nature. If some issue arise with passage of time who will tell you what to do in Sharia 🤔🤔🤔 what will be the reference.
Sharia is perfect it doesn't need change but your post secularism will need change because it gives advantage to the rich and the rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer.Capitalism is a product of secularism and not Islam.I ask Moiz how he will eradicate poverty when secularism steals from destitute and fills the stomach of affluents.Whereas Islam orders affluents to pay 2.5% of the wealth tax to the poor and no taxes are imposed on poor.In secularism,poor and middle class suffer the most and rich gets richer by evading the taxes.
Thank you raja sb you presended your claim so clearly that no one could deny except the oponent and athiests which consider theirself more wise and knowleagable than the almighty Allah who granted us a complete way of life as a final message.
What is Dr. Mehrub is even doing here and defending secularism when he doesn't even know the correct definition and legislations of Islamic sharia'a himself? And yet complaining about the answers given to him is "retrospective" in nature. Great job done by Qaiser Raja sahab. You handled it well!
We appreciate both for very peaceful, informative, fact base and knowledge base arguments. I'm eager to see this video now it takes 42 hours to be released. Actually Sir Raja arguments is very fact base and more intellectual so i hope he will be shown as a winner 🥇 in this video. Respect for both..❤
@@akhtarhameed360 Bilkul! bolti band hogaye Qaser raja ki Zia ke bare mai question per. Is se pata chalta hai ke yeah paise ke liye islam ka manjan bechta hai youtube per lekin sach bolne ki himmat nahi hai is mai. Black vigo mai bhaithne ka waqai mood nahi hai isko.😏
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44) Choose your side now! Because if you claim to be a Muslim you have no choice but to strive to implement the law of Allah, forget about saying we don't need it. If you say you are vegan then it's abnormal that you start eating and advocating for meat eating.
we can see how bad Islam is we have 57 Islamic countries and most of them are horrible place to live and a hell for woman. why most of the Muslims wanna go to Europe, the USA or Australia to take benefit of their labral life style lol. NO one wanna live in Islamic hell
5:38 misinformation/correction: Allama Iqbal passed away in 1938, where as Pakistan Resolution was passed in 1940. Did Iqbal give the statement on Pakistan Resolution from his grave? It was not Lahore/Pakistan Resolution, but Allahabad address(1930). Additionally, one statement to the rulers(British Govt.) through 'The Times' does not represent Iqbalian Theory as a whole, thus the letter, which was sent to a repressive authority, falls short of recognizing the true narrative of Two Nation Theory. Leaders may be examined on their personal views, which may have some inconsistencies; however, it is worth mentioning that the collective will of the people of Pakistan was truly a movement for an Islamic state.
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44) Choose your side now! Because if you claim to be a Muslim you have no choice but to strive to implement the law of Allah, forget about saying we don't need it. If you say you are vegan then it's abnormal that you start eating and advocating for meat eating.
to awan sab na kon sa koi jawab diya tha sahi sa baat hi khuma phira rha tha bas words ko idher udher karna ata ha logic less answers da rha tha @@nha3920
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It was greatly moderated. Thank you TCM. Brother Qaiser clearly won this debate. But I appreciate Dr. Mehrab as well. We want sharia in our country by the way. :)
Next level step of TCM. I would also appreciate both and mainly Dr Mehrub Moiz because we do listen to religious scholars most of the time around us but her intelligent thoughts also provide with a different perspective of an understanding.
Marx's full quote is: “Religion is the opium of the people. It is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of our soulless conditions.” This has a positive connotation even though Marx was a secularist as well. Half quoting this has been a refuge for highly skeptic secularists.
Over all it's quite brilliant debate.. No. Matter what thoughts are discussing by the both participants but one thing that we should appreciate that all the mean of this conversation is to humanity, peace and justice for people and for getting these particular stuffs we must to understand the all aspects of both secularism and shria compliance and even also know abt the post secularism and then we decide what could better for public...
I loved the fact that Dr. Mehrub built a strong narrative using all bells and whistles at her disposal but Qaiser Sahab kept dismantling her with logic and a calm disposition. Made her look bad in the end tbh.
Bhaie according to many shriat mein Tasweer haram hai then why have you put it on your profile. JIS GHAR MEIN TASWEER AUR KUTTA HO US GHAR MEIN REHMAT KE FARISHTE NHI AATE.
@@sarmadsardar2218 first of all we need to understand the difference Ya jo picture ha this is not actually wo pic jo mana he This is a combination of pixels Shariat main jo tasweer haram ha wo he jo hath se banai jay which imitates idols
I found Dr. Mehrub's arguments to be quite emotional. She gives a very long and confusing explanation. But Qaisar's arguments were really well-reasoned and concise👍👍 Btw good debate,
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44) Choose your side now! Because if you claim to be a Muslim you have no choice but to strive to implement the law of Allah, forget about saying we don't need it. If you say you are vegan then it's abnormal that you start eating and advocating for meat eating.
They are confusing to you because you as a layman has very little clue about her vocabulary and her concepts. You need a proper education from a reputable institution (most of the shit you get in Pakistan is worthless) in order to understand her.
Great initiative by TCM team! Hats off to you guys. My viewpoint is Dr. Moiz needs more clarity in her own thoughts and beliefs, besides this she has good communication skills but lacks of respect and patience in debate. Raja Shb did very well, but in the question of practical implementation of sharia's best example, I think he less emphasize on answering it, historically the best implementation of Sharia is period of Khilafah, however military campaigns do fade or dismantle the systems (i.e communism in case of USSR), same is the case with Sharia.
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All what Mehrub has to say is Rhetorical device and Rhetorical instrument. Qaiser sahb's cross examination is a 10/10 ❤❤
If Shria Laws are anti women anti humanity it is not good for any reason to implement. Nothing more shameful in 2024 to use this outdated laws Arabic culture. I can say Muhammad follow becuz he born there. Religion culture are seprate issue.
4 Wife, Sex Slavery, TV Media Dance Music Ban, Halala, instant Divorce, Property Rights, In-Equality. Stone to death, Dress restrictions, Education restrictions, Hijab Burka, Ban on Girls education. Child marriage Jihad. 4 evidence for rape, Aurat half Brain, half evidence these are against Mankind and Arabic culture not religion
I saw this comment before watching the video and I was like yeah how could that be said for every argument though...now that I have watched it, can't agree more!😂
Qaiser has no grounds to answer Zia’s involvement in Palestinian massacre. His rhetoric is based on Islamofascist ideas. Shria by force.
Great job Sir Qaiser!
May Allah reward you for your truthful efforts.
“Islam is never old nor it was meant to be applied only for the old era.”
C- type banda hai woh😂we are happy he is helping our indian motives😂
Not a single foul word by QA. Hats off man.... To handle such business with this calm and patience is your heroism and absolute gentlemanliness.
Pakistan is already Islamic country ,see your condition now,it's already failed
The point where it all went down for secularism is where Dr Moiz said we have to talk about post secularism. Qaiser sir just nailed it by asking the question : If you don't have any example or working system of the post secularism and it's just a thought then how can you say that the system we believe in is problematic?
We have the example of the era where shariah existed and worked without any error and your post secularism didn't existed.
Qaiser sir for sure is the winner of the debate.
14:05
Basically the crux of this whole debate
she surely gave examples of Canada and New Zealand but mr cancer raja was unable to give any particular example of Sharia based country
@@AABraunCancer Raja ko jutta maar kar Afghanistan ya Iran bhej do. Halak se sara shriah nikal jaye ga.
@@AABraundefinitely he is cancer for people like u. So cope with that.
Mr. Raja was intellectual at every point. It was amazing to have such clearity.
Qaiser Ahmed raja is a gem for religious community of pakistan which is more than 90% ,he is very articulate and knowledgeable
More power to you Mr. Qaiser Raja.... you absolutely nailed this debate 👏
Name - ISLAMABAD
but it's the most liberal Immodest city in whole pakistan 😂
This explains the whole situation of Pakistan.
Islam is used by politicians and establishment for votes and power .
They fool public with Islamic touch , but their intentions is always against Islam.
Never get fooled by politician's dress and speech.
See , what they are practically doing and promoting below the belt.
No he did not 😂he was nervous 😟
@@japjootsingh9734 the typical insurance" 😂" laughing emoji.
Dr. Qaiser Raja is a gem!! May ALLAH SWT Saves him from evil eye.
What the hell of a Gem this person Qaisar Ahmed Raja is. Damn bravo 👏👏 Highly inspired by his views and way of representation ❤
How many Pakistani want sharia in Pakistan?
Sharia - like
Modern secular state - comment.
Let's see who won Raja or modern insightful lady.
Comment
no sane Pakistani wants to make this country a hell hole like Afghanistan
Comment
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Period!
Qaisar Raja became very logical. He thrashed all logics of Dr.Merub.
In the light of whole debate, it is clear that Qaisar Raja has proved his point.
At least , the secularism lost itself and role and changed to post secularism . The same had happened in the debate with the Athiest Haris sultan when he got escaped from his very stance on Athiestic morality while the debate was on Islamic morality vs Athiestic morality . They don't have something to support their stance and get escape to something new to hide behind it .
Ma Sha Allah , Qaiser sir . Allah pak ka Fazal ho tum par hamesha !
Let me ask you based on your Islamic morality
Is slavery and sex with slaves halal in Islam ?
@@user-MissKhan80
Very usual question from liberals and athiests . 😄
First i will recommend the debate between Qaiser and Haris .
The 2nd one is the answer of javed ghamidi on this , it will clear you .
The third one option is that Qaiser Ahmad raja's live sessions , Q and Ans on any topic or especially this question. Follow him and when there is session , ask what you want . You will be given time and respect. You won't be disappointed .
Brother the idea of secularism is about getting away from dogmas! What happened in china, Russia, were also because of dogmas! State should be separated from all kinds of Ideologies, whether it is communism or hindutva or shriat. Because I don’t want my society to think that it is okay to beat your wife as mentioned in Surah Nisa verse 34 or to think that they can have 4 wives or can keep londis.
@@user-MissKhan80 you still want an answer ?
@@nooralikhan9645 lol harris didn't even lost that debate, this raja guy is just so blatantly stupid that he wasn't even able to differentiate between an amoral and relatively moral stand that harris was pointing out while commenting on morality.
The calm that dr qaiser raja maintains is just wow. His knowledge is commendable. I wish we could give Sharia a chance for once
How about go to Afghanistan?
@@JayLim-bn9fhWhy dumb*** ? This is our country we pay text, living for years, we are the majority, our elders struggle for this. So you better go to the west :)
@@JayLim-bn9fhNo, why go to Afghanistan? We are Pakistani. Why not we try for Shariah here, while intellectually defeating poor secularists & apostates on every platform (like in this video), despite your tears? 😂
Sharia a chance?😂 what a boy😅
@@rashstuff4846 Because religious parties have consistently failed to get any support at the national level? People have consistently voted against parties that ran on a religious narrative so, how are you going to try it here?
Secondly, Mehrub isn't a debator. If Qaiser actually wanted to do something, he'd debate actual secular philosophers instead of random social media influencers or publish his arguments in a philosophical journal. Yani itni bhi aqal nai ha?
Lastly, these aren't new issues, these debates have been occurring in the West for decades now. If you lot actually wanted to challenge people, you'd talk to people actually accomplished in the field. Bas YT par bongian maar kar khush ho jao.
جزاکم الله خيرا راجاقيصراحمد فأنت أمل شباب المسلم وسيف صارم على أعناق الملاحدة المختلقة في باكستان لأجل أغراض مادية بحت
We need more thinkers like Dr Qaiser to eliminate the baseless evil
I fear the fall of our morality. I myself am a reverted conservative. Everything on the secular front seems to hedonistic and vulgar. wont you agree?
@@mahshanahmad1141but then where will the minorities go and how Sharia law is good for women
Dr qaisar 😂
@@sb853547 The actual Sharia itself protect the minorties the only chalange is to impliment it's pure form!
Having no clear perspective of shariah Dr Sahib is excellent 😂
No, Allama Iqbal did not denounce that he had not presented the Pakistan Resolution.
In fact, he was quite proud of the role he played in the creation of Pakistan. In a speech to the All India Muslim League in 1930, he said:
"The resolution that was presented yesterday is not only a resolution of the Muslim League, but it is also a resolution of the Muslims of India."
He also wrote several poems and articles in support of the Pakistan Movement. In his poem "Talaq" (Divorce), he wrote:
"O Muslims, awake! Your destiny is calling you.
It is time to break the chains of slavery and be free.
Pakistan is your homeland, and it is your right to rule it."
Iqbal's support for the Pakistan Movement was unwavering, and he never denounced the Pakistan Resolution.
However, there is some evidence that he was not entirely happy with the way the Pakistan Movement was unfolding. For example, in a letter to his friend Muhammad Ali Jinnah in 1937, he wrote:
"I am not satisfied with the way the Pakistan Movement is going. It is becoming too sectarian and dogmatic. We need to focus on the economic and social development of the Muslim community."
Despite his reservations, Iqbal continued to support the Pakistan Movement until his death in 1938. He is widely regarded as one of the founding fathers of Pakistan, and his legacy continues to inspire Pakistanis today.
Very well said!
Thank you for the clarification. Aur jahan tak small difference of opinion raha bhi ho to Itnay baray kaamon main jahan eik poori country bun rahi ho wahan every individual can have their own opinions that can differ with others.
Excellent and Solid evidence Given by Raja Qaisar Sahab ..
We are appreciating much more the efforts of Raja Sahab For Islam .
Dr Moiz: I am pro democratic
Dr Qaiser: then we should listen to the masses of Pakistan because surveys show that the want shariah.
Dr Moiz: Error 404 not found.
A true meme😂
😂😂
Which Shariah? Iran wali ya Suadia wali? Ajkl wese aik aur bhi i hui hai Taliban or IS wali.
@alimehdi4160
Again that's not the point
The point is the will of the people. They want shariah not secularism. You back off from secularism, we (the people) will give you shariah
@@alimehdi4160jb itne log chah rhevhain to iska mtlb wo kisi jaga ittefaq kr rhe hain is liye sb maslak ke ulma ko bitha kr aik shari law bana diya jaye jo ke duniya bhar ke liye misal rhega pakistan wali sharia.. ye kesa hai😊
Full marks for Dr Awan confidence and how he portrays his arguments but still when you think about arguments you find that they are not weighted and emotionally inspired rather then based on facts whereas Raja sb arguments are weighted. Very informative and enlightening debate. Thanks TCM for this master piece!
Would you tell me what Dr. Awan is "He" or "She"? Thanks
@@MuhammadSameen39Chakka
@@politicalnation123 🙃🙂
@@MuhammadSameen39 her pronouns are she/her as she is a more feminine khwajasara.
@@MuhammadSameen39She is a HE , Don't make Pakistan queer , Let's just stay conservative ! , She is a HE , She is a kusra , which means He is She in other buts actually she is HE and He is dead in the brain
Implementation of sharia is one thing and opposing the implementation is other thing which in turns leads to untrust on Allah's laws. Mehrub showed such behavior in the whole debate and consider herself wiser than almighty Allah.such like behaviour had showed by jews and other ummas in the past.Due to such like educated rigid people in pakistan we are on the verge of bankruptcy,unjustice etc thank you raja sb
Dr Qaiser nailed it with logic, where Dr Mehrub Moiz did well in terms of her emotional attachment with secularism but again it is wisely said; logic overrides emotions..hats off to both of them for making this important topic discussed in a smooth way by bringing it on the table with the cup of tea❤
so the debate went from secularism to post secularism all of a sudden :), salute to qaiser bhai for exposing the shallowness of the ISMs against islam.
there is nothing more shallow than mullahism which is why no muslim country is competing with west in terms of science, tech and education.
@@bobobobo3142shut up
@@bobobobo3142 the science is not the result of liberalism. You guys are not even productive right now.all the products are from asia and your youth only makes wealth while we create value.
ISLAMISM kills local culture.
ISLAMISM is the complete antithesis of Civilization.
Science ,technology has to do with east or west not between Islam and secularism .You are just little idiot student in that.
Salute to Qaisar Raja and his calmness ❤
Salute to qaisar raja sahb
Raja sb clearly evaded all the questions. Going through the comments section, it clearly shows how we still have a long way to go before analytically understanding any comment/debate which talks about Secularism (or anything which in its most basic level, challenges the abuse done in the name of religion in Pakistan). Hats off to TCM for this initiative though.
A Request to TCM.
I urge you to invite Syed Muzamil Shah to debate Qaiser Raja on individualism vs. Altruism.
Qaisar raja will cry and curl up in a ball cuz muzammil is an educated person. 😂
@@JdownJdown He already invited Shah sahab for debate but he don't even wanna face that 😂 so called rationalist
@@JdownJdownYour Syed Muzamil is running away from debate and labels everyone irrational if a person doesn't agree with him.Atleast Moiz has come to debate but Muzamil runs away😂😂😂😂
@@faraazsiddiqui1450 your boyfriend qaiser is always trying get attention from muzammil but he never gets any 🤣 Cancer raza is the andhon ka kana raja. He keeps calling muzammil liberal but muzammil is actually right wing isolationist who wants to fix look inward to fix his own country before trying to talk about others. Accountability hotai huai sab ki gand phatee hai aur few politicians hain jo aisai karnai ka khawab bhi daikh sakta hain. Your establishment is not chutiya kai woh kabhi self accountable kon. Cancer Raja has no real solutions.. Just constant bullshit
@@JdownJdownmuzammil is a liar gashti ka bacha
میں نے یہ نہیں پوچھا کہ اپ شریعت کے بارے میں کیا سمجھتی ھیں ۔۔۔۔ مزا ا گیا ۔۔۔۔ زبردست قیصر بھائی ❤️❤️❤️
Padha hai sahriya
قیصر کے پاس کوئی مثال نھیں ھے ۔
قیصر چریا ۔ ۔ ۔ کھوتے کا کُھر 😅😮😅😮
It was a good initiative taken by TMC we will appreciate such debates in future too
In sha Allah
Usools of Islam are universal
Hats off to Raja sb ❤🎉
Then why Muslim running to secular country.. and going to Islamic country...why so hypocrisy.
@@ravikumar-gg9zg what hypocrisy? your india claim to be secular but don't treat people equally go vote for BJP and don't ever complain about hypocrisy
@@adb4678 Minority has some extra right in India than majority. Minorities have special quota.
@@adb4678hindu Christian population decreasing in Pakistan ,systematic oppression and forced conversions and underage kidnappings of girls are rampant ,unlike in india .
@@LucasKshNo, there is no such thing that the population of Muslims is increasing and the population of other religions is decreasing in Pakistan. This is because Muslim families tend to have more children and other religions families settle for two or less children.
Simply wow! what a commendable effort by TCM - salute. The arguments were really enriching and thought-provoking from both opponents - applause.
Well It will be fun to see the finale but up till now Dr awan has given many arguments that were more backed up by emotions rather than facts. Qaiser Ahmed raja on the other hand has kept a cool demeanor throughout the conversation and also made me think about the direction our country was supposed to be heading towards. Kudos to you 🔥
💯💯💯 Right
Qaser rajah uske questions dodge kar raha tha. Jawab nahi diya merab ke questions ka.
The arguments, examples & calmness by Qaiser Raja is 🔥
Muslims want sharia law in their own country, but secularism in non-Muslim countries. Oppression on Hindus is increasing day by day in Pakistan. Never did these religious traders raise their voice for the protection of people of different opinion. Just like a parrot, Islam sings the religion of peace by heart. Buddhist-Jain-Confucian religions never sing that our religion is the religion of peace like Muslims. Only Muslims sing this. By the usage of Muslims one can understand whether they are really peaceful or non-violent.
This is not true
@@dhakacity6574 tbh we don't give a fu*k about other countries it's them who always have a problem with shria law and want to stick there nose in our affairs
@@dhakacity6574 one can also understand your agenda why you didn't mention hindu's Oppression on Muslims? more hate crimes against Muslims than any other, more Muslims died in recent history than any other religion or race. go cry somewhere else you are made cause we don't promote ra*e like other religions do
@@dhakacity6574 Buddhist isn't a religious it's an ideology
Very clear and informative, thank you Qaiser Sahab
An absolute decimation by Qaiser Ahmed Raja, more power to Islam and to everyone who's a proponent of truth 💛
P.S: Special thanks to Moiz bhai for agreeing and not just hiding behind the screen like he does in his insta lives XD
Qaiser Raja: "We are not sure that securalism is a good thing but we want to bring secularism because we are not sure what Shariat is"
This statement of Raja shows his sharp mind and logical approach. This single statement has demolished Dr. Moiz's whole edifice of secular state. 👏
That was very impressive part of the debate ❤
Yes ❤
Sharia can't be implemented in the modern world of trade & technology. you'd have to do loads of mental gymnastics to get it up to date with the present times and that's where the problem lies - there won't be consensus on the translations & adaption of Shariat so even if a compromise is reached by all someone will standup and say this is not Sharia and the debate will go on.
@@govuxyz fair point, but then that is the issue with liberal or secular democracy as well. So how do you solve it ? you don't, you find a middle ground and then enforce it. If we start viewing things that way, then absolute monarchy or dictatorship are the absolute best things. The difference of opinions and argument happens in congresses and parliaments and senates too. No law has 100 percent support of all representatives so if sharia is being considering as a system, it has to involve large number of scholars , perhaps just as many as the representatives in Parliament to make it work. It does not stop you from technological advancements or adoption or creation of technologies. Sharia does not say once should stay away from robotics or computing or aerospace engineering. Yes, there is strict stipulations against certain trade practices, commodities or financial transactions. But then those are exactly the reasons it should be tried.
well thats totally rhetorical statement by qaisar ahmad raja as he is beating around the bush to avoid the question about the definition of sharia. using devices of like sophists spoils the honesty of the debate.
Alhumdullillah we have intellectuals like Qaiser Ahmed Raja
Untill yesterday we needed secular Pakistan and now we need post secular Pakistan.😂😂
This is real example of how confused our self proclaimed highly educated and genius community is..
Well if a person can't even decide his gander how can ee change our whole country according to him/her😂
@@achabacha3328I like how you mis-spelled gender 😂😂😂😂
@@adnankhokhar4426
English is not my native language. I can make mistakes.. but Alhmdulillah I'm not mantly ill😕
Not allowing religion/Islam is definitely secularism, what they want, but when it is not possible to defend it, they say POST-SECULARISM.
I wonder post secularism is after secularism, means, first face secularism and they face these blo__y secular in post secularism era
Yall can read about post secularism instead of making uneducated guesses about it.
The fact that Ahmed Raja just destroyed the attempt to degrade the Islamic system from Dr Awan is absolutely fantastic, the way he is tackling dr awan's behavior is what makes Dr Raja an absolutely fantastic.
Secondly, everytime Dr Awan speaks, she sounds so well, however, when Dr Raja speaks he just makes everything nullify dr awan says in a very polite, and realistic way.
Thank you TCM, Dr Raja, and Dr Mehrub.
Raja sahab ne 25000 palestianians ko marne wale Zia ka naam nahi liya merab ke sawal per. Jo itna dartha hai dollar army se woh sirf army ka tool hosakta hai. Woh kya destroy kare ga kisi argument ko. Uski bolti band hogaye Zia ka naam per.
@@nha3920 read the topic of the debate. He is just avoiding unnecessary drama unlike Mehrub, the debate is timed. Secularism is not a solution. And why on earth Dr Mehrub was asking that, the point at that moment was not the name of general Zia.
@@studentsheaven-d8v Cancer Raja took many names Mao Zedong, Lenin, Marx just because they were self proclaimed secular leaders although all of them had nothing to do with post secularism of pakistan that mehrb is refering to. Same is the case with gen zia who is father of taliban and darling of all Islamists in Pakistan, who has destroyed the history with ideology in the same name that Cancer Raja is advocating " Sharia". Zia's era has lead to where we stand now. pretty shameful state.
@@studentsheaven-d8v Koi drama avoid nahi kar raha. General Zia ka naam liya to black vigo army ki abduct kar legi isko. Darta hai dollar army se. Islam ke naam per Zia ne pakistan ko barbad kardiya hai yeah baat chotiyah raja achi tarah janta hai.
@@fahadhameed7513their is no thing "secularism of Pakistan"
More power to you Mr. Qaiser Raja you absolutely nailed this debate
Rational and logical Dr. Mehrub! Please keep it up!
Only two points of sharia:
a- Only a group of people from a certain religion have the right to rule the people, don't allow Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and other minority groups to hold the higher offices.
b- Take money (jaziya) from Christians, Hindus and other religious minorities because they are living in the country.
Where is Equality in shria????
Since you are already here on TH-cam, search on these questions and see what explanation Muslim scholars offer,
Jizya is much less than zakat (that muslims have to pay) and paying taxes is OK but Jizya is not?
Hahahah abdulls even dont know what is shariah but funny thing is they want shariah
Shariah is most stup!d thing to call a system 😊
Jizya nahi dena? Chalo theek hay, zakat de do phir, jo jizya se ziyadah hay aye muslims par farz hay.
Such debates are the need of the time, where this society full of hate against each other can witness that people regardless of their sheer ideological differences can sit to exchange arguments in a peaceful & constructive manner.
Thanks to TCM for organising this debate!
Pakistan this guy Qaiser Raja is a blessing for your nation.
Qaiser Ahmad Raja is more efficient in a philosophical and logical argument . And The main statement is this "if a state is a democratic state with people voted against secularism , and secularism is imposed by the state then what will the state became ? , A secular state or a authoritarian state .
Religious chutiyape mai.
When arguments are no longer effective , a Individual adapt emotional statements . @@nha3920
@@nha3920cry harder ch1mp
Suppose kro k pakistan 🇵🇰 me complete shariat ajae to phir mulk chor k bhagna nai ? Theek he ?
@@umroyaarnahi bhagte meri jan jin k dil mein chor hota wahi chor k bhagte he haq se😅
Yes ! This is call a pure and informative debate and we really need this kind of programs.
Thank You so much TMC for providing such an informative content.
Lots of love respect From Mohen Jo Daro Pakistan ❤️✨
Mehrub moiz is no doubt is fluent and clear apart from all the disagreements I have with her. I like her patterns of speech. Baki we all knows what we want what we need what we desire.
Qaiser Ahmed Raja❤ A great debator
Muslims want sharia law in their own country, but secularism in non-Muslim countries. Oppression on Hindus is increasing day by day in Pakistan. Never did these religious traders raise their voice for the protection of people of different opinion. Just like a parrot, Islam sings the religion of peace by heart. Buddhist-Jain-Confucian religions never sing that our religion is the religion of peace like Muslims. Only Muslims sing this. By the usage of Muslims one can understand whether they are really peaceful or non-violent.
@@dhakacity6574Bro let me explain you in Islam it says that Sharia law is not applicable on non-muslims it's applicable only on Muslims so by saying we want Sharia law in all Muslim countries mean that only the Muslim population living in the country will have to follow Sharia law not other religions people and to deal with them there would be a separate law system based on their majority likes and opinions for example in Sharia law if someone steals his hand should be cut off as a punishment so if a Muslim will steal his hands will get cut off but if a non-muslim steals his hands will not be cut off rather there would be a different judiciary system for them made and based on their religion or their culture or their likes for example if a non-muslim steals he will get 3 years in prison etc, so Islamic Sharia has nothing bad to do for you instead it is good for you as it gives you ease economically too as in Sharia Law the Muslims every year have to pay 2.5% Zakat (charity tax) to the Islamic Government but Non-muslims have to Jizya Tax which is lower than Zakat tax I don't remember the percentage I guess it was 1.5% every year but it is less than what Muslims have to pay. You guys can live freely as you want in a Sharia law country if Sharia law is implemented 100%. You said Muslims want secularism in other countries but not in their countries it's not true we want either a separate law system that is Sharia law only for Muslim population and the majority follow their Religious law system or Secularism or if they don't give Sharia law for Muslim population than they give us at least secular system instead of their culture or religious system. Islam is a very peaceful religion if you follow and implement it 100%. Thank you ❤
Our Prayers are with you Qaiser Ahmed Raja.
yes just like pakistani cricket team in World Cup
Kudos to Mr. Qaiser Raja for such great debating skills. His answers were very logical and right to the point.
Happy to listen such debate appreciation to TCM for organizing this debate and thumbs up for Dr Moiz Awaz for her well prepaired homework she did that represented her position but lots of love to Dr Qaiser Ahmed Raja for representing the true picture and position of Islam and shariah۔ May Allah help us to implement Allah's Law fully in this Country Ameen❤
Seemed like Dr awan will win for sure after watching the opening statement. But how tables were turned is amazing.
Please keep making such content 🙏 Salute TCM originals!
Qaiser Sahab’s knowledge and sharpness of mind to identify the root cause of the problem is brilliant ma Sha Allah. I wish Educated Pakistanis to become his student and learn valuable skill from him .
Dr Merub was dodging clear cut questions while being rather emotional and ill mannered whereas Qaiser Raja sahb truly conducted a well spoken, thorough and factual debate
25000 Palestians jo mare Zia ne uska jawab nahi diya qaser chootiah raja ne. Dollar army se dar gaya.🙂
@@nha3920 hijdo ke supporter khud hijde hote hai be dalle 😂😂😂
@@nha3920Debate ka agenda parho
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)
Choose your side now! Because if you claim to be a Muslim you have no choice but to strive to implement the law of Allah, forget about saying we don't need it.
If you say you are vegan then it's abnormal that you start eating and advocating for meat eating.
we can see how bad Islam is
we have 57 Islamic countries and most of them are horrible place to live and a hell for woman.
why most of the Muslims wanna go to Europe, the USA or Australia to take benefit of their labral life style lol. NO one wanna live in Islamic hell
Ridicule is the tribute paid to the genius by the mediocrities
-Oscar Wilde
Very well done Dr Mehrub❤ This society is not yet ready for intellectual ideas like yours. Your stance won't attract a large audience here, but those few who support you understand very well, and time will reveal that every word you've spoken is irrefutably true. Stay strong🙌
The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience
-Arthur Schopenhauer
P.S (No disrespect for Raja Sahab despite the intellectual disagreements)
Come late to see it but I am thankful to ALLAH Almighty that he blessed us with mindfulness and clarity in the face of Qaisar Ahmed Raja. More power to you sir. You nailed it. May ALLAH Blessed you more with the wisdom, health and life. STAY BLESSED AND IN ALLAH'S PROTECTION. AMEEN.
Sir Qaiser is a real gem 💎
i have watched all 3 parts of this debate, both the participant have good command over their topics, These types of debates must be appreciated and this culture must be cultivated in pakistan. thumbs up for TCM for arranging such debate. Expecting debates ahead on more hot issues of pakistan.
Send her to speakers corner. We will deal with this inferior complexity 😂
It means Islam ☪️ vs secularism debates is 50/50
Wow good job 👏 to the secular lady 👌🏼😎
Now that's why nowadays the most important need of our young generation is to focus on each and every single one of the deep knowledge of every isam!!
Because you can't handle them easily and here is such a stupendous example Infront of our eye's, Men o men He is just a superb Genius ❤❤❤
Qaiser Raja just earned my respect when he mentioned Sanatan Dharma. This shows how clear he's with his thoughts. Although,Dr Mehrub did an incredible job, but Qaiser sahab nailed it with his arguments.
Like always he has clear answers to opposite side like how he mentioned Hinduwata but no clear answer on his own topic sharia
He said that he agrees with indian secular legislature
Great discourse. Dr Awan's arguments were mostly bassd on emotions meanwhile Qaiser Sahab backed his arguments with logic and authentic references
Qaser Choteah Raja 1400 saal pehle ke dark ages ke tribal daur mai bhaitha hua hai. Uska ajj ke issues se koi taluq nahi hai.
@@nha3920 oh hindu and you are living in 2300 B.C I don't know why Hindus are changing their account names and becoming fake Liberal Secular Muslims
To defend this G@y
In fact, Indian Hindus want a Hindu country ( Hindu Rashtra) for them and Hinduism is this
Ram R-p-d 4 years old Sita but God🤣
Blue Krishna with 1400 wives playboy God🤣
Bhrama married his daughter Dughert f-k-r God🤣
Haumand bawli Gnd an evolving monkey God 🤣
This is Hinduism Bull S-i-t Religion Hinduism🤣
He didn't.
@@nha3920uss hisab se tou democracy 1400 saal se bhi purani hai (Ancient Greece ) ??
@@Stern5495 he did if you cared enough to listen.
Mehrub Moiz well done again.Mehrub is one who possesses a curious and open-minded perspective, embracing the complexities and uncertainties of the world while seeking to understand and address its most pressing issues. This individual is characterized by a willingness to challenge assumptions, question established norms, and explore innovative solutions to complex problems, often combining traditional wisdom with cutting-edge knowledge and technology.
When doctor Awan couldn't present any good example of secularism, She went for post secularism & for sure if post secularism is tested, that even also can't be justified.
Islamic states have proved that Islamic system is only perfect & human friendly system.
Any single practicing Muslim can't be harmful for even animals how Islamic system can create difficulties for humanity?
Dr Awan doesn't know how shria originally works.
Well done Mr Raja ❤
she gave examples of post-secularism ( canada). just google the countries with the best quality of life for minorities and women, and you will mostly find secular countries in top 10
Aur qaisar ne kitney examples deye hai sharia law kay?
Let me tell you how it can create difficulties, tell me what are the rights of blasphemers and apostates in an Islamic state?
@@Soul-ud6vdso what post securlarism is a theory, theories are bound to change i.e. there is uncertainty based on uncertain idea he is trying impose it on Pakistan which he himself is not sure of, thats absurd.Frankly the example are not that great Mehrub gave. Plus the topic had secularism not the later
As expected from speakers like these they always change their position when cornered
@@NizarAlvi90he gave example of Riyaste Madinah, a historical example. Which Mehrub was rejecting earlier by saying that history then later he is stating that Qaiser didnt give any example from history, yaar yeh mehrub banda kya kichdi paka raha hain. Its like a small kid when offered food by his mother doesnt wanna eat and when hes hungry he states momma didnt offer me food
Dr. Moiz. Great mind. In Post secularism we try to remove or alter pre drawbacks with passage of time.
Change is law of nature.
If some issue arise with passage of time who will tell you what to do in Sharia 🤔🤔🤔 what will be the reference.
😂😂😂
Spoken like a true gora
Quran and Sunnah
Sharia is perfect it doesn't need change but your post secularism will need change because it gives advantage to the rich and the rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer.Capitalism is a product of secularism and not Islam.I ask Moiz how he will eradicate poverty when secularism steals from destitute and fills the stomach of affluents.Whereas Islam orders affluents to pay 2.5% of the wealth tax to the poor and no taxes are imposed on poor.In secularism,poor and middle class suffer the most and rich gets richer by evading the taxes.
Thank you raja sb you presended your claim so clearly that no one could deny except the oponent and athiests which consider theirself more wise and knowleagable than the almighty Allah who granted us a complete way of life as a final message.
TCM's initiative is fantastic! I thoroughly enjoyed the informative debate; it clarified many concepts for me.
I believe that this is a start of new era a new change. Silent change. I love the science that how amazingly this debate is design. Thanks TCM ❤
What is Dr. Mehrub is even doing here and defending secularism when he doesn't even know the correct definition and legislations of Islamic sharia'a himself? And yet complaining about the answers given to him is "retrospective" in nature.
Great job done by Qaiser Raja sahab. You handled it well!
We appreciate both for very peaceful, informative, fact base and knowledge base arguments. I'm eager to see this video now it takes 42 hours to be released. Actually Sir Raja arguments is very fact base and more intellectual so i hope he will be shown as a winner 🥇 in this video. Respect for both..❤
Sawal ka jawab nahi diya qaser raja ne dr merab ka.😂
@@nha3920 onn sawal ka jawab deta tou kl raja sahab black vigo me ghomte or raja sahab ka mood nhi hy black vigo me ghomne ka
@@akhtarhameed360 Bilkul! bolti band hogaye Qaser raja ki Zia ke bare mai question per. Is se pata chalta hai ke yeah paise ke liye islam ka manjan bechta hai youtube per lekin sach bolne ki himmat nahi hai is mai. Black vigo mai bhaithne ka waqai mood nahi hai isko.😏
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)
Choose your side now! Because if you claim to be a Muslim you have no choice but to strive to implement the law of Allah, forget about saying we don't need it.
If you say you are vegan then it's abnormal that you start eating and advocating for meat eating.
we can see how bad Islam is
we have 57 Islamic countries and most of them are horrible place to live and a hell for woman.
why most of the Muslims wanna go to Europe, the USA or Australia to take benefit of their labral life style lol. NO one wanna live in Islamic hell
Great Applause for both commentators and salute to TCM for arranging such great debate
جزاک اللہ خیرا کثیرا قیصر راجہ صاحب۔۔
Nice conducting by host. TCM thanks for such debate. Looking more like this.
5:38 misinformation/correction:
Allama Iqbal passed away in 1938, where as Pakistan Resolution was passed in 1940. Did Iqbal give the statement on Pakistan Resolution from his grave?
It was not Lahore/Pakistan Resolution, but Allahabad address(1930). Additionally, one statement to the rulers(British Govt.) through 'The Times' does not represent Iqbalian Theory as a whole, thus the letter, which was sent to a repressive authority, falls short of recognizing the true narrative of Two Nation Theory.
Leaders may be examined on their personal views, which may have some inconsistencies; however, it is worth mentioning that the collective will of the people of Pakistan was truly a movement for an Islamic state.
was looking for this comment. bravo 🤝🏻
true
Nailed it brother❤
Was about to comment this lol
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)
Choose your side now! Because if you claim to be a Muslim you have no choice but to strive to implement the law of Allah, forget about saying we don't need it.
If you say you are vegan then it's abnormal that you start eating and advocating for meat eating.
Qaiser bhai we love you...jo baat samajhna na chahe us se ulajh kr koi faaeda nahi❤
Hatts of to Sir Qaiser Ahmed Raja for a wonderful Insight.
General Zia ke bare mai sawal kiya Dr merab ne to chup kyon lag gaye? Sari insight teel lene chali gaye black vigo mai Raja sahab ki.
to awan sab na kon sa koi jawab diya tha sahi sa baat hi khuma phira rha tha bas words ko idher udher karna ata ha logic less answers da rha tha
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@@nha3920it was irrelevant bro
go to afghanistan and live under shariah lol
@@bluecheetah666 apko US jana chahye to bow to your Lord Secularism😅. Bcz we are a majority who want Shariah ❤
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Love to watch the things like that. Produce more!! Plz ❤
Awan seems more of a public speaker than a debater, while Raja is very to the point with what he says.
It was greatly moderated. Thank you TCM. Brother Qaiser clearly won this debate. But I appreciate Dr. Mehrab as well. We want sharia in our country by the way. :)
No.. We dont 😂
Outstanding,,
Am fully agree with mr raja qasir ,,, ur absolutely right...
بہت خوب پاکستان کے میڈیا میں اس سے اچھا پروگرام کبھی دیکھنے کو نہیں ملا۔ قیصر احمد راجہ صاحب کے آرگومنٹ سٹرونگ ہیں❤
Amazing at the intelligence of qaiser bhai mashallah mashallah
Next level step of TCM. I would also appreciate both and mainly Dr Mehrub Moiz because we do listen to religious scholars most of the time around us but her intelligent thoughts also provide with a different perspective of an understanding.
"her"
Intellectual vs post intellectual
Well-done Raja sahab❤
Thank you TCM team for arranging such a wonderful debate ❤
Logical points by DR Moiz
Marx's full quote is:
“Religion is the opium of the people. It is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of our soulless conditions.”
This has a positive connotation even though Marx was a secularist as well. Half quoting this has been a refuge for highly skeptic secularists.
Great buddy. Hamare han k tou secular bhi chor hayn😂😂😂
@@AbdullahJaved-kw8dl
اور ہمارے ہاں تو مذھبی لوگ بھی چور ہیں۔۔۔
@@iq2823 G beshak
Don't you know the Genocide of farmers by Communist regimes of USSR and China
@@iq2823 bad apples will always remain.
Hats off to Qaiser raja. Dr Awan also raise good points. Sharia is supreme law of land as per 1973 constitution
Over all it's quite brilliant debate.. No. Matter what thoughts are discussing by the both participants but one thing that we should appreciate that all the mean of this conversation is to humanity, peace and justice for people and for getting these particular stuffs we must to understand the all aspects of both secularism and shria compliance and even also know abt the post secularism and then we decide what could better for public...
pure and informative debate and we really need this kind of programs.✌✌✌✌
I loved the fact that Dr. Mehrub built a strong narrative using all bells and whistles at her disposal but Qaiser Sahab kept dismantling her with logic and a calm disposition. Made her look bad in the end tbh.
Mehrub(him)😁
him
Him
Exactly
Qaiser Ahmed Raja 👑
Bhaie according to many shriat mein Tasweer haram hai then why have you put it on your profile.
JIS GHAR MEIN TASWEER AUR KUTTA HO US GHAR MEIN REHMAT KE FARISHTE NHI AATE.
@@sarmadsardar2218 tasweer wala argument apka apna hai, baqi kutta k baray main theek hai
@@sarmadsardar2218 first of all we need to understand the difference
Ya jo picture ha this is not actually wo pic jo mana he
This is a combination of pixels
Shariat main jo tasweer haram ha wo he jo hath se banai jay which imitates idols
Qaiser Raza supports RSS majority replacement of secular constitution with their Shariah constitution 👏👏
Really impressed by dr mahrab awan.. U r a great asset unfortunately on wrong side.. May Allah open ur heart...
Aamin!
I found Dr. Mehrub's arguments to be quite emotional. She gives a very long and confusing explanation. But Qaisar's arguments were really well-reasoned and concise👍👍
Btw good debate,
She ? 😅
A philosophy undergrad can take down Qaiser with ease
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)
Choose your side now! Because if you claim to be a Muslim you have no choice but to strive to implement the law of Allah, forget about saying we don't need it.
If you say you are vegan then it's abnormal that you start eating and advocating for meat eating.
They are confusing to you because you as a layman has very little clue about her vocabulary and her concepts. You need a proper education from a reputable institution (most of the shit you get in Pakistan is worthless) in order to understand her.
@@AhSaNL11are you a Muslim
Excellent and fruitful discussion.... Thank you from your neighboring Kashmir❤
Love and blessings to Kashmiris
Allah Qaisar bhai ko mzid himat or istiqamat day Allah ka pegham ponchnay ki.He will fight and win on every stage against secularism Allah huuma ameen
Great Respect for the host. He's been great👍
Qaisar Ahmad Raja sb just nailed it MashaAllah 💖💕💕💞
Sorry he is wrong
Great initiative by TCM team! Hats off to you guys.
My viewpoint is Dr. Moiz needs more clarity in her own thoughts and beliefs, besides this she has good communication skills but lacks of respect and patience in debate.
Raja Shb did very well, but in the question of practical implementation of sharia's best example, I think he less emphasize on answering it, historically the best implementation of Sharia is period of Khilafah, however military campaigns do fade or dismantle the systems (i.e communism in case of USSR), same is the case with Sharia.
Wonderful and decent debate, Respect for both Qaiser Ahmed Raja and Dr. Mehrub Awan. ❤❤
More power to you qaiser sir 🙌❤️
Worth to watch. Both mindset hv discussed their points nicely.
Absolutely commendable task. Great speakers, great host, great program. This must not stop.