Destiny Talks About (Israel Trip, Biggest Takeaways, The West Bank)
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[00:00] Back from Israel, did you change your mind?
- 05:11 Favorite interviews, learning Arabic
- 08:06 DGG meetup, visiting the west bank
- 13:11 Israeli policy mistakes, The Knesset
- 17:30 Talking to Palestinians, dignity
- 26:32 Why are you pro-Palestine?, arguing with chat
- 33:06 Mahmoud Abbas, arguing with chat
- 37:06 Ariel Sharon, what peace would look like?
- 41:30 Barghouti interview, Arafat vs Abbas
- 46:38 Why Israel is losing the propaganda war?, Hasbara
►Date: 16 Jun, 2024
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A language learning arc would be really interesting.
He would 1000000000000% fail and give up within half a year. Especially as hard of a language as Arabic.
@@user-iy3gx9qg4y huh? Almost half the people worlwide speak at least 2 languages. There's no reason a driven individual like him can't learn a 2nd language. The main factors in learning anything is interest and how much you use it over the years.
@@ZenMuff1n Yes, and I'm fluent in two distinct foreign languages. English is not my mother tongue. I'm not trying to just be mean to destiny, but I know extremely well just how much constant real grinding practice it takes to really even begin to grasp such an alien thing as a foreign speech pattern and pronunciation and grammar. It's one thing to learn Spanish as an English native. It's a complete clusterfuck trying to learn shit like Arabic/Hebrew/Mandarin/Slavic language etc. Some people spend their entire life dedicated to this. That's how you get "arabist", "indologist" etc. Arabic is not even 1 single language. The Quranic Arabic is considered to be a "base" for Modern Standard Arabic. In reality there are dozens of dialects. And I don't see how destiny is that "driven" as a person to really get through the thick of all that. You don't just randomly "tee-hee I guess I learn Arabic". That's not an "arc" on which you just go for fun as a tangent. Or rather, that's how most people treat it and that's why 95% fail exactly withing a year. Just speaking from experience. You treat it as if needs to leave a mark on your life because it must.
@@ZenMuff1n TH-cam doesn't display my comment for some reason, so I'll just copy it:
Yes, and I'm fluent in two distinct foreign languages. English is not my mother tongue. I'm not trying to just be mean to destiny, but I know extremely well just how much constant real grinding practice it takes to really even begin to grasp such an alien thing as a foreign speech pattern and pronunciation and grammar. It's one thing to learn Spanish as an English native. It's a complete clusterfuck trying to learn shit like Arabic/Hebrew/Mandarin/Slavic language etc. Some people spend their entire life dedicated to this. That's how you get "arabist", "indologist" etc. Arabic is not even 1 single language. The Quranic Arabic is considered to be a "base" for Modern Standard Arabic. In reality there are dozens of dialects. And I don't see how destiny is that "driven" as a person to really get through the thick of all that. You don't just randomly "tee-hee I guess I learn Arabic". That's not an "arc" on which you just go for fun as a tangent. Or rather, that's how most people treat it and that's why 95% fail exactly withing a year. Just speaking from experience. You treat it as if needs to leave a mark on your life because it must.
@@ZenMuff1n Learning a language isn't hard but it does require a lot of focused study and exposure. I doubt Destiny has the time considering its not an on stream activity
Yes Muslims in Israel are moderate for the most part. I think that's mainly due to their education system.
@joseroshe1059 I can assure you that the reason Muslims in Israel are more moderate is because they experience equality and dignity. In contrast, people in Gaza and the West Bank do not enjoy the same conditions. Additionally, Israeli Muslims were not (or at least not all of them were) ethnically cleansed, so they do not fully share the same experiences as their counterparts in the mentioned territories
@@crftersp5049isn’t Israel apartheid. Also why does Arabs in WB and Gaza don’t get dignity or equality?
I was hoping that Destiny would be the only Westerner not trying to westplain this conflict, but he went this way in the end. It was amazing to hear what he caught from the conversation with Arabs, that they don't have any idea of the deal they want and there is actually no deal that will satisfy them as it is not about the land, but inflated Middle Eastern dignity.
Also, he is very clear about anti-Jewish bias and double standards applied towards anything Israel is doing. Understanding all of that, he still suggests that the solution would be leaving the West Bank and Gaza and telling the West, "here we are, exercising all of your nonsense resolutions."
But you know that Arabs will use it just to have more tools and opportunities to attack Israel and wipe it out of the map. The true reason why they are vague about the solution is not because they don't know, it is because they are afraid to tell the truth to a Westerner, as they want your support and they want to be westsplained. And the west will not guarantee a security of Israel after any deal. They will obviously share their concern on the very first day of attach, but immediately after, and on the very next day they will say that it did not happen in the vacuum and there was a long history of hostility before. Why should Israel ever belive that this is the way forward.
The true reason is that they want Israel to disappear and Jews to be dead or at least leave the whole country. They would do it militarily if they could, they are doing it using terrorism, and any agreement which does not include complete annihilation of Israel will only be used to get a better position for attack as it happened every single time before.
I hope we can get destiny and a Palestinian to kiss each other and it becomes the healthiest relationship that tiny has ever had
Tiny was there to kiss is boyfriend who’s in the IDF.
Does kissing LonerBox count? That's close enough to Palestinian I reckon.
has to be a guy tho so destiny proves that he is bi
When Destiny was getting into the subject of the Israel-Palestine conflict, I thought he was very biased towards Israel. He was stating facts that heavily favored the Israeli side, but I kept watching his videos, because I know Destiny is usually very objective and knows how to look at things from a neutral position. After a while it got REALLY FKKKKING BORING, hearing the same talking points over and over again.
But then he was having this debate on Breaking Points where he said just one thing that made me realize Destiny understands this conflict better than anyone. (I'm paraphrasing here:) "There is a discrepancy between arabs and israelis in terms of how the conflict is being taught, and what kind of image is being created of each side."
This was a big eye-opener, because both sides are only telling half-truths amongst eachother. They can't agree on peace because their perspectives don't align, like AT ALL.
As a liberal/lefty Israeli I'm like "yeah duh", but I can see how this is an epipheny for someone on the outside who hasn't live this conflict their whole lives.
Moderate Israelis are well aware that there are omissions and propaganda on their side. I don't know if this awareness is as common on the Palestinian side however...
How old are you? This is one of the dumbest things I have heard😂
@@Blackbirdinthedeadofnight why?
16:19 Party A wants Issue #1. Party B says about Issue #1 either "we sort of agree", or "we're neutral" or "we don't really like it but we can live with it".
Same for party B and issue #2.
You end up on each such issue with a broad base of people who are at least OK with a given issue.
That means when Ben Gvir or Smotrich express a point of view, they have implicit support (or at least no strong disagreement) from the entire coalition and all its member parties.
18:42 They don't want to say the quiet part out loud to a Western audience: that "justice" "democracy" and "freedom" means no Jews.
20:56 Because the culture sees Jews as subhuman, living under Jews or having lost to the Jews is a source of terrible shame.
But they can't say that to a Western audience. So they say, "we feel about this like you feel about apartheid or genocide" trying to evoke an emotional response.
22:05 The PA is supposed to handle water infrastructure; they do a horrible job at it. Also, Palestinian agriculture wastes far more water than Israeli agriculture.
23:05 Palestinians need leaders willing to work on behalf of the Palestinians, instead of using Palestinian suffering to make money, and using anti-Israel rhetoric and violence to get support from Palestinians.
25:47 I assure you, you do not know more than the average Israeli.
14:51 Destiny used to be more perceptive.
34.00 u say kicking the can down the road other people say systematic destruction of palestine as a state and people
American discovers multi party system
There's a pretty big difference between just having a multi party system and having a multi party system with 20 parties. I live in Finland and we have like 9 parties in the parliament and even they struggle occasionally with forming coalitions that can get along and rule for a whole term.
german here, coalitions are "usually" only made up of 2 partys, our current coalition is made up of 3 partys, they took almost half a year to form a government and all lost popularity quite a bit during the term for good reason. i cant imagine the how isreals politics work with a 7 party coalition.
@@carlod5818 of course you're German 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
43:00 -- Just absolutely clueless yapping. Israel already "supports Abbas" heavily. Abbas being in Israel's pocket already is a major factor of why Hamas won in 2006. Abbas (and Dahlan) is who the US and Israel were "supporting" to attempt the coup on Hamas in 2007, which he'd know if he'd ever bother reading the Action Plan or learning anything about the 2007 coup attempt that didn't make him sound clueless. "Support of Abbas" from Israel is why he isn't respected in Palestine, why he's corrupt as hell, why his own party is split three ways, why both he and Israel both jointly decided to cancel the 2021 national elections, etc., etc. Man has clearly never read about what happened under Fayyadism, either. Steve has no idea what he's talking about on this topic, never has, consistently just embarrasses himself.
Actually his current position on Abbas has recently changed his old view was identical to yours which is a leader that is highly unpopular, corrupt that would not represent the Palestinians well unfortunately he’s the best person to represent them as the leaders of Hamas aren’t a viable option. So the least rotten of the rotten apples.
@@mikestarfish I don't need you to "actually" me, I heard his dumb position in this video perfectly fine. No, Abbas is not the "best person to represent them," he will never have the trust of Hamas or anyone who considered themselves a member of it in the event of the dissolution of the organization. Marwan Barghouti is the "best person to represent them" and already has the respect of the leadership from every major faction, but this is you, as a fan of Steve's, talking out of your ass as much as he does and having no idea about any of this. Stop.
@@ryanrockwell2245 the fact that his views have changed on Abbas and you had no idea about it is why I’m replying. The fact is that Hamas is not a party you can craft a peace plan with and until new elections occur and Palestinians voices can be actually heard you cannot develop a lasting peace.
@@mikestarfish I did "know about it," I'm literally responding to the content of the video, what are you on about?
Who stopped the "new elections" you're clamoring for in 2021, bud? You don't know what you're talking about. Stop.
@@ryanrockwell2245 Yes the new elections that would entrench Hamas as the legitimate government that would result in more bloodshed. Let them vote and let their voices be heard!!!! People out west don't care but those elections have to be held. Saying that the elections in 2021 didn't happen so there should be no new elections is dumb AF.
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destiny said that if oct 7 happened in the west bank he wouldnt give a fuck, what does that even mean?
It means that if oct. 7 happened against the settlers it's fair game
@@m00rons why tho? does he have a longer video explaining himself?
@@user-vn2sy6fp1h Why would he give a fuck about the crazy fundamentalists stealing land? He's pro killing people for tres passing on private property after all
@@user-vn2sy6fp1h Idk, but just think about his stance on trespassers. It makes perfect sense that he wouldn't care
@@m00rons so brutalization, massacre and rape of women and children is fine as long as they are settlers? he can't seriously think that, it has to be another thing
Destiny drastically underestimates how long it takes to actually learn a language 😂, it’s thousands of hours of listening gibberish to be able to even have a conversation, atleast that’s how it was for me with Japanese, other languages might be different
Japanese is notoriously more difficult to lwarn for a native english speaker
@Pheonixknightmare learning to speak japanese and arabic are about as difficult for a nstive english speaker. The extra difficulty that comes with japanese is the multiple writing systems.
That chatter is stupid, it is NOT like Europe. They have the same voting system, but there is a minimum number of votes for countries like Germany and Turkey, which I know more about than many other countries. There can be parties that have small numbers of seats but it’s always dominated by a solid group of at most 5 parties and usually less than that, these represent broadly the groups of the country with more precise beliefs than the two party system. It prevents radicalism and overly broad coalitions at once. Israel has no geographical representation and no minimum percentage which is crazy.
“Elections in Israel are based on nationwide proportional representation. The electoral threshold is currently set at 3.25%”
Huh?
@@asewrweerwer9833 Ok, I was wrong about the threshold not existing, but in Turkey for example it was 7%, now 10%, and in Germany 5%, which isn’t significantly above that of Israel. I suppose political culture has more to do with it then.
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All the anti “settler” rhetoric was a bit disappointing. Could be that he got the most extreme and unapologetic perspective from a few fringe people that live in small outposts and it left a bad taste. I live over the “Green-line” in a suburb of Jerusalem but to the Palestinians and the West, I’m a “settler” and my “settlement” of more than 50,000 Jews needs to be dismantled, in there eyes, because once upon a time the Jordanians ethnically cleansed the area of Jews so somehow it’s the return of Jews to the areas that we were cleansed from that is the problem. Make it make sense. In any case, it’s ridiculous to think that we’re just going to pack up and give all of our homes to the Arabs and leave so what option is there other than just to protect ourselves and fight if necessary ?
I think Destiny's point is to say "sure! Fight your fight! But Justice and Honor never lifted a sword."
Fight for your home all you want, you're gonna be fighting. If you want to stop fighting at any point, it's probably gonna require something different from you.
Go ask him when you get the chance if you want him to respond.
He is kind of super ignorant about anything that has to do with the settlements
Because many of those settlements were illegally taken land from Palestinians. Why does it matter what religious/ethnic group lived there before Jordan conquered it?
@@jeffanderson1708 I really didn’t understand what you said. If we were originally living in a place and the the Arabs kicked us out and then we came back, we didn’t “illegally” take “Palestinian” land. We took back OUR land. For example, the neighborhood that I live in now was built on land that was legally purchased by Jews in the 1880’s from the Turkish authorities. They build a small community called Nachalat Yisrael - Rama. In the 1920’s the neighboring Arabs attacked the Jewish owners and forced them off the land. In 1947, the Jordanian army illegally occupied this land. After retaking the land in 1967, Jews developed the land. Now, you, the Arabs, and the UN tell us that this land is “stolen” and “illegally occupied”? It was, first, purchased legally and,second, retaken in a defensive war, and,third, taken back from a country that no longer wants the land. And please tell me how this is “Palestinian land” when there never was any entity call Palestine. If individual people owned property and it was taken, ok. Compensation can be paid. But empty ownerless state-land can hardly be called “Palestinian land” and everywhere some Arab ever picked olives doesn’t magically become their property anymore that you picking wild berries somewhere doesn’t make all of that land your property.
@jeffanderson1708 your comment confuses me. If it doesn't matter who lived in the land before why is it illigal?
Destiny calling Finklestein unserious is rich coming from someone who went pro-Genocide from the start and worked from there to justify it.
Show us how it’s a genocide then? Use numbers and statistics and compare to other genocides that took place, if you can’t come up with actual proof then shut up please and stop spreading disinformation.
Why don’t the Palestinians try peaceful resistance like Rosa parks or bus boycott?
They tried that, try and seach for "The Great march of return". In short, they tried to peacefully march back to their taken homes, they all got shot. Many injured, some died.
You mean like march of return where they got snipped out.
@@mr.garbage5825 look up the great march of return. it was a violent riot to invade Israel. many had guns, others rolled lit tires into soldiers. and that is not coexistence with Israel rather its destruction. they need to create their own state to return to. there have been no peaceful protests for the coexistence with Israel and i think that says something.
@@momojarwan1641 uhh no the "Great march of return" was, in no uncertain terms, an attempted invasion of Israel. Not only did they try to break through the border, which was itself an invasion, but multiple Hamas operatives hid themselves in the group and did everything from shooting rockets to throwing rocks at the Israelis, even making children do throw rocks.
Like, I'm sorry, but the Palestinians really haven't peaceful action en masse until today. This concerns @mr.garbage5825 too.
This comment section is so bottom of the barrel. Pick something you disagree with and make an argument. Does it really feel so good to scream into the void?
nearly every Israeli house has water tanks on the roof, we just use solar panels to heat the water rather than black barrels, Israel invests money in infastructure to supply its citizens with water and that allows us to then use a dud shemesh solar panel system rather than using money to pay murderers in pay for slay salaries. You need to stop mixing concepts in order to fir your rhetoric, if Israel want to give them their honour and ability to support themselves then why should we beliuttle them and be providing them with water when they have the funds to purchase it? The money is there but it is being missused, rather than deflecting funds to enprison and entrench themselves they could be using the hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to rebuild.
I appreciate your attempt to understand the issues here and you make some great points about the clusterfuck that is Israeli politics but at the same time you are still looking at the situation through "Israel is a colonizer" glasses. The Palestinians need to stop being treated like entitled angry todlers and rbing something real to the table instead of being entitled to Israeli water (that is available because we dedicte time and energy to devloping desalinization)!
He’s just all “well turns out everything I thought was right!” About every single thing he ever thinks
The term is "morally lucky" and I don't think that Destiny would deny that it fits him.
@@yanowic9107 I would argue that he is completely morally defunct
Did you expect destiny to cry for you?
would be funny af if he started fake crying for Israel the same way Hasan does for Palestine
Sorry but having so many small parties is much preferable to how America has it where there is a trash two party system
They want so bad to have allies but acting hateful & petty as soon as someone has sympathy or acknowledges the plight of Palestinians they get unhinged. Alot the info keeps contradicting the narrative & still they use the same talking points.
The main reason why destiny went to Israel to to say " well I actually went" to shut down debate. Lol
Distiny could do vlogs during shadow slavery or jim crow and still be clueless
you could be a hamas hostage and still call "from the river to the sea"
@@carlod5818 ok hasbara bot, please do coherent sentences first before doing propaganda
And that just proves that they treat their hostages better than Israël treats palestinians on the daily
Lmao what a garbage video bro
Netanyahou is not a far right politician?????????😂😂😂😂😂
Some of us know what happens on "The Trip". Idk if they were boys or girls but I just feel sorry for the children...
who wins, Kharkiv kid finder vs Tel-Aviv toddler trapper
He goes to Israel for a week and now he's an Israel expert.
@@Thworped He’s “gone” to Gaza, not “went”. Gone is the past participle you need to use.
And im sure you've gone many times and spoken to many of the countries leaders 😅
The area is smaller than many American cities. Its really not that complex, even tho the locals think you need to understand their fictional stories to justify their shitty actions.
When children start telling you about Autobots and Decepticons to justify a playground fight, you dont need to watch all the movies to known that whats going on is fucked.
Can't even share his experiences without somebody hating
He was an expert before that
What Palestinians need to understand is that honor, respect, identity, their state.... These all come through building their community from within, not given from others.
You mean Zionists, who settled through war, terror and blackmail?
Let’s say that during the trip someone, from Syria for example, enters his house. And when he returned, claims it was his house.
Destiny’s take is to settle it by giving the invader a room?
That is what he says should happen with the Arab invaders of Israel.
The “settlers” simply claim that after all said and done, the land is still not “palestine”. But JUDEA AND SAMARIA.
How long did the trip last?
@@m00rons irrelevant.
@@FiryaFYI If the trip was a month contra a few hundred years it would be pretty relevant
@@m00rons still irrelevant. 10 dsys, a month. He still has a syrian in his house claiming its his.
Or an egyptian, if you prefer.
lmao palestinians lived on that land longer than israelites. many palestinians are descendant of various semitic people who lived there. arabification is a reality because arab is a broad term. not that you'd know.
Palestine has the right to defend itself from settler colonialism
Israel has the right to defend itself from Islamic terrorism.
By what means? Literally any?
@@baronofbahlingen9662Yep, arm them and don't let the IDF provide cover for the settlers. Let's see how expansionist they really are.
@@baronofbahlingen9662 by any means necessary. Malcolm X
Who does?
I wonder if destiny is ever going to have self awareness and realize they way he feels about hasan now is the same way everyone feels when they call him som youtube internet debater. No one takes a guy who sits behind a computer screen reading wikipedia actually seriously. As much as I hate destiny the idealogue, making a trip to Isreal is at least a step in the right direction to legitimacy
There's a difference between being able to point out how someone's opinions are severely uninformed and not taking them seriously because of that and not taking someone seriously because wikipedia computer debater online. Like if Finkelstein understands the conflict so much better, why didn't he demolish Destiny by laying out some facts when he had a chance instead of just throwing ad-homs at him?
Also I wonder if you have the self awareness to realize how ridiculous it is to fault Destiny for giving uninformed opinions when you don't know that he read plenty of other stuff than Wikipedia.
@@mielipuolisiili7240 I disagree, it seems to me about a 70/30 split that Finklestein trounced destiny. I know you are a destiny guzzler, but just cause you say he won doesn't actually mean he did.
@@ryangraper I'm not even saying that Destiny won. All I'm saying that if Destiny was so unbelievably uninformed as to not be taken seriously, it shouldn't have been hard to absolutely dismantle his views without having to resort to ad-homs. Even if I was to take your 30/70 evaluation as gospel, that's a pretty good score for someone who supposedly doesn't know his shit against a person whose whole academic career is built around this issue. I guess "just reading Wikipedia" takes you pretty far after all.
@@mielipuolisiili7240 hey man I guess if participation trophys are your thing who am I to argue
@@ryangraper That's a pretty ironic retort considering that the Palestinian side seems to be the one demanding participation trophies after repeatedly getting their asses handed to them. But sure, go ahead and hide behind unrelated insults when you run out of arguments. Wouldn't expect anything less from a Tinklestain stan.
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