some deaf people go to gearing schools (with RIKKI POYNTER) [CC]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ย. 2018
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Hi everyone! Happy Deaf Awareness Month!!!
Today we had a little discussion about what it's like to be Deaf and mainstreamed. We had very different experiences and lots to say on this topic.
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DISCLAIMER: I am sharing MY personal experiences as a deaf individual. I aim to be as welcoming as possible, but my point of view does not represent the opinions of everyone in the deaf community. My content reflects my personal opinions, please remember everyone's experiences are diverse.
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I’m closer to Rikki’s age (26), but I had experiences closer to Chrissy’s when it came to having an IEP and having an FM system when I was in elementary school. I had a hearing itinerant (teacher for the deaf) who tried to introduce me to having an interpreter but I couldn’t make any sense of what the interpreter was signing because she was too far away and it was extremely frustrating for me. So the interpreter experiment was really short-lived for me. The worst part of my middle school experience was the markerboard system, though. I had a lot of trouble understanding with just the FM system, so I would have an aide sit next to me for the entire class and write on a small, handheld markerboard and do their best to keep up with the teacher’s speech and what they were writing on the board. It was completely ineffective and I gained nothing from the markerboard system. I didn’t get introduced to real-time captioning services at all until high school, it was ridiculous how bad the options were for me and how they couldn’t find anything better than have someone sit there copying an entire class’s worth of information onto a markerboard. At least in high school I had real-time CART and was better able to keep up in my classes. Oh, and I also had outside class test time so I could actually pass my tests.
I'm 36 and attended mainstreaming all my life with interpreters in my classrooms. Yes, I had IEP K-12 which was really helpful. I also had speech therapy all through from K-12 and stopped ever since I graduated. I was still not fluent in speaking because I was a rebel about it! Ha ha. Despite being profoundly deaf, I was forced to wear FM system hearing aids and I hated it for years until I rebelled in middle school. I proved to them I could pass classes with only interpreters and they finally let me stop wearing it. It was such a bliss without it. From K to freshman year in HS, I had a classroom only for deaf students where we all would stay in with our hearing teacher fluent in ASL to interact and study between classrooms. It was a really good experience for me growing up with other deaf kids. That all changed when I moved from Ohio to South Dakota. In comparison, South Dakota has fewer deaf students so I attended a hearing school in a small town as the only deaf person there. It was a bit lonely and I only had my interpreter to talk to in ASL. My senior year, I completely lost my interpreter; she was assigned to another interpreting job and I was left alone without one. My school scrambled to figure out solutions and ended up with the worst decision I've ever went through. They hired a typist who knew nothing about deaf people and their culture. She was the cruelest, snobbiest, grumpy person I've ever met. It was the worst year ever but I managed to get through all that and graduated. Because of that experience, I vowed never to let that happen so I attended NTID which was the best decision ever. I made lots of deaf friends so that was awesome.
I know this video is almost a year old now, but it just came up in suggestions on one of Rikki's videos. Hi! Glad I found you :) A couple years ago there was a big scandal in the news about my local university (Memorial University of Newfoundland) because a professor refused to use a student's FM system. It was ridiculous! I've always been hard of hearing myself, and mainstreamed, and I remember being encouraged to sit up front and lip read. In my early 20s I was browsing through all the stuff my mom saved from my childhood, and I actually found a letter from my audiologist to my first grade teacher recommending that I be encouraged to lip read. That really shocked me, when I read that as an adult, that the actual audiologist just said lipread.
Thank you for making this video! Having worked at a school for the Deaf and Blind and in mainstreamed schools, I really wanted to know what you thought of mainstreaming. It seems mainstreaming is best, but only if there are a number of deaf students in the school. Teachers need to know some basics like not turning their backs on students or turning down the lights. Having effective, certified interpreters in every classroom with a deaf student, captions on the videos. There's more but I'll stop here. Again, thanks! 🤟🤟🤟
Growing up was mostly like Chrissy's for me. I've been wearing hearing aids since about three or four years old. I had the FM system, the speech therapy, and the IEP with accommodations. I didn't have interpreters. I'm more or less just now starting to learn ASL more at 30 after a couple tries where I ran into some serious emotional hang-ups involving ASL (which I don't really understand since it's not like I was forbidden from learning the language before or the Deaf community.... maybe just an unconscious thing I picked up from being mainstreamed?). My parents fought hard to make sure I had accessibility and help when I needed it in school, which mostly consisted of the FM system, speech therapy, note takers, and preferential seating. I don't remember much bullying, but I've always toed the line between severe and profound hearing loss and kept my nose in my books all the time, so I never bothered to notice. My sisters noticed, though. Honestly, it's the loneliness that I remember the most and that I still struggle with a lot. Few people wanted to be my friend in school and it's honestly exhausting for me to really socialize with most hearing people.
Do you think your experience growing up would have been better it you'd attended a school for the deaf and HOH ? Unfortunately there are some people that still think ASL or BSL is not real language, and that communication orally is far better. Totally ridiculous or course. 👂
Problem is that I know both world: Raised in mainstreamed school, you tended to work harder to be part of Hearing world but off as low self esteem too long. But you both are too smart for going to Deaf school. They don't have th same high expectations as Hearing school. At the same time, Deaf school gives Deaf students with higher self esteem using ASL but not really good harmony because of back stabbing alot. Both worlds, we have to find our own identity. DONT please them at all. Focus your journey. I went to SEE, mainstreamed school and Deaf school. I graduated at Hearing school. In my heart, I am more of Deaf in my heart but I also have "hearing" personality. Mixed up as person but I am solid loving for who I am . Find your happiness and keep improving your signing and self esteem. That matters
I also have mixed feelings about mainstreamed education.
We do, like you said in the video, live in the hearing world. I think it is better for the hearing world to be exposed to deaf people as it's not just a hearing world: it's a diverse world.
I was mainstreamed from K-12; however, the school I went to had a Deaf and Hard of Hearing program, so I was not the only deaf kid at my school. There were smaller classrooms at my school for Deaf kids who needed more support (they had additional disabilities, or were delayed due to language deprivation), so I'd get to socialize with my deaf friends during lunchtime and in-between classes.
But there were a LOT of problems with this program: shortage of interpreters (I often didn't have one for the "less important" classes such as PE or art), old-fashioned hearing teachers of the deaf (one would throw stuff at her students to get their attention), teachers way to invested in our personal lives or just plain unqualified teachers. Those in the DHH program were also forced to see a "special" school counsellor in the DHH department who CLEARLY did not keep information confidential.
A few of the teachers I had didn't seem to understand how to deal with having a deaf student in class eg. expecting me to take my own notes even though I had to watch an interpreter, not showing captioned videos, not understanding the interpreter's role.
Also, I ended up being bullied by 2 younger deaf students and because the DHH program was funded based on the number of students, I was expected to finish school at home (it was my last year of high school) whereas my bullies were allowed to remain at school.
The idea of having a DHH program with the option of being mainstreamed is great, but the way mine was run was garbage.
That being said, what is your ideal situation?
Same, I also have a DHH program at my school
Thank you for posting this video. I can relate so much. Love to you both. ♥️
I really think that what you do is amazing ily
Great video! I'm hearing and I had struggled in school too. I was in Resource Program Special Education (IEP) because of my learning disabilities. In elementary school I struggled because I was pulled out of class every day and taken to another room to work on English, reading & writing. So i missed a lot of what was going on in class. So I was always behind everyone else. Once I went to JR HS & HS the Resource Program Special Education (IEP) had a English class. So I would no longer miss any of my classes. Plus I had a study period class were I got help with my homework & tests. Without the IEP program I would of never graduated from school. I WISH EVERYONE HAD IEP THAT NEEDS IT. IT REALLY HELPS.
Also my JR HS & HS had the mainstream program for Deaf and hard of hearing. All of them had IEP so they had English with only ASL. A few of the deaf and HOH students took regular English because they did not need the extra help. But they all had a study period class. Where they got help with homework & tests. The ones that wanted speech therapy had it once or twice a week. They had it during study period so they would not miss any of their classes. I became friends with them and learned everything I could about ASL and Deaf culture. When I had classes with some of them I got to watch the interpreters & listen to the teachers. I think i really started to improve in school because of ASL. Without it I don't think I would of been as successful as I was even with my Learning DA. I wish I would of had access to ASL in Elementary school. Maybe I would of struggled less.
What are your learning disabilities ?
I’m so glad I found you! My daughter is 5 and I have an IEP for her now. She is SSD and has LVAS (EVA as her doc called it). Supposedly it’s only for in her one ear but doctors say it can develop in the “good” one too.
2:23 If Chrissy just said what I think she did, then I agree.
7:18 Here we go again! :-)
15:24 Did Rikki Injure herself? I see a line below her right hand.
I also remember being bullied. If I'd have to attempt to describe why... I think it was my own desire for what I saw as justice getting in the way. Abuse always made me angry, and rather than the abusers getting a talking to, it was always me who was seen as the bad guy. I still also remember reaching what I believe is called Vocational Education.
Things were so different there! I actually enjoyed it, until they moved to a building where the class was up a flight of stairs and there was no elevator. FYI, I'm in a wheelchair. Anyway, I'm not sure if it was just one student or the whole class that was moved down. It was too long ago. I do remember my dad being the one whose complaint made it happen.
I really enjoy learning about yours (and others) experiences. My soon-to-be-husband, both of his parents and much of his family are Deaf or HOH, it is genetic and our (future) children will have about a 50/50 chance of experiencing severe hearing loss. The topic of school has come up a few times, trying to decide if mainstreaming them or having them attend a Deaf school would be best.
Hi chrissy 👋 I'm born new jersey when I'm learn speech read lip grew up around Minnesota and Iowa my graduation in long time but ago but right now im interested about socail deaf and hearing at community I think you are good asl too thank
I'm looking forward to your video about speech therapy - I'm in school to be an SLP and want to work with the deaf!
I’m 63, hearing (deaf in 1 ear for the last 25 years, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised by how LITTLE effect it’s had on me, I’ve never had hearing aids). I recall, it was probably 2nd or 3rd grade, (so we’re talking mid 1960s) one of my classmates was hard of hearing so had a hearing aid. This was 50 years ago, what he had was a large box on his chest (with a volume control dial) hooked up to his ear plugs. At times he would walk around with the volume down to 0 to not hear what was around him. One time some other classmates were ‘boasting’ at how they looked like they were saying something to him but miming with no sound, he turned up the volume, they mimed again and so on till he turned the volume all the way up, then they shouted and and he reeled away at the sudden volume. Even as a 8-9 year old my reaction was ‘how could they be so cruel?’ (These were kids who probably bullied me also!)
I also had those huge hearing aids for the FM systems with the big ass antennas. That was when I was in middle school. I hated it!! In high school, I got these adapters, they called them "boots", that connected to the back of my existing hearing aids. They allowed them to connect to an FM system. While they were still kind of noticeable, they were much smaller than the alien antennas so I definitely preferred them.
Extremely important your stories and it is great to see you both together doing a colba.together you both gone though so much but its so similar to the story's that many deaf say here in UK.... A lot don't sigjn at all till they late 20s... Most were not aloud to sign and would be pushed for doing so very harshly..... :( so can relate in so many ways ... Technology has improved people mindset not so much so....here anyway! :( I find each your stories very interesting and insightful.... I love both your channel s ... Each bring something speail !) Again can relate so much as I've lived in both world's seen things from many aspects... So can relate haveing deaf community culture... Deaf friend s... Is a god send to. Myself again I'd like to say big thankyou both for this educational video.... And geting ti know each you better ;) looking forward to the next video....
You are awesome both of you. I don’t know if my phone or error but shows error that captions didnt load.
mine is closer to chrissy's but i am younger right now (13), but i have an IEP, and i have an FM system but in 5 grade i was having problems with it, now it doesnt really work but i tell the teachers it doesnt work, but now i am doing fine without it now, and i wear my hearing aids. i dont have to use ASL because i am not 100% deaf (although i wish i do, because i have 6 siblings.)
by the way this isnt my real name
I know I'm getting to this video late so, note sure if people are still looking at comments... I'm a hearing person who knows and is learning ASL and I'm currently teaching in a Deaf/Hard of Hearing classroom once a week. Based on your descriptions my students are somewhat mainstreamed as they are in a majority hearing school but mostly work in their classroom with the other Deaf/HoH kids. Do y'all have any tips about how I can best support these students as I'm still working on my ASL? We occasionally have interpreters and sometimes their main teachers will step in, but I want to be able to do my part and make learning accessible for these students!
I'm just wondering why so many deaf and HOH kids are attending mainstream schools ? Aren't there enough schools for the deaf and HOH ? 👂
@@tudormiller8898 you would have to ask the parents who enroll them in attending mainstream schools. I am the middle child of out 3 and the only one with hearing loss, my parents simply didnt know anything about Deaf schools nor did they try to get me interacting with any sort of Deaf community. It wasnt until we moved and i was in highschool and chose to take ASL for 2 years that i even learned that there was a Deaf school i could have been going to this entire time, that there was a community nearby. People who would understand what it was like to feel exhausted for putting tons of effort to understand what was going on around me. But because i was a shy kid and im still pretty shy at 21 i only really interacted with the community during Halloween for the haunted house. I felt like i would be judged for not being "Deaf" enough or not knowing asl very well. I wish i was introduced to asl and the community when i was younger.
You also have to take into account and i dont really honestly know tbh that there might not be ones nearby. I know the school that was nearby was still sort of far and had tuition because students lived on campus for the most part. im sure public school was just easier on them than paying that
This was a great video. You have 3 and Chrissy has 3 ?
So how could Rikki not know she was deaf/HOH til she was eleven ? Or even her parents or teachers ? I'm interested in why some parents send thier deaf or HOH kids to mainstream school rather than a school for deaf and HOH kids ?
If I may ask.. what did you specialist do in elementary?
Chrissy. . . 🤟🤟👇👇✊🤲💅
I'm over here thinking wth is a IEP?
Individual Education Plan.
Probably only lawyers and disability advocates are familiar with the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA), but it mandates the creation of an IEP for disabled students which tailors the educational system to their needs. (This often does not work as well in practice as it sounds in theory, but it's a lot better than just winging it...)