Responding to Aurochs’ claims about Athrwys and King Arthur
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ม.ค. 2024
- Since I was blocked from Aurochs’ Twitter account, I decided to respond to some of their claims about why Athrwys ap Meurig supposedly couldn’t have been King Arthur on here.
Link to my Twitter account: / caleb_howells25
Excellent point. The record of Ffernfael in the AC does not corroborate the late chronology of the Glywysing/Gwent dynasty.
Excellent much needed video! As this is THE principle go to for people who discredit Athrwys being Arthur. As you mention there is far more evidence to the contrary, and it does appear that those in academic circles really are cluthing at straws to desperately get Athrwys well out of the 6th century by using this Ffernfael argument. Why castigate evidence that proves the correct genealogy, yet then hold in high regard the Annales Cambriae? They definately seem to cherry pick things that may disprove. It is a constant negative mindset that does appear very intrenched in those that would stay well away from 'King Arthur' normally. Have you noticed how everything else is deemed 'unreliable'? Personally, if im presented with an official document that clearly shows attendees at a church land grant, it is more than worth considering. The fact is they have nothing else to prove their point, but at all costs it seems, Arthur MUST NOT be found to be based on this very real King in South Wales. Oh how we've been robbed!!
Well done in presenting the facts. There are none so blind as those that don't want to see
And those who want to hide honest and open debate from others I guess 🤷🏻♂️
Nice work Caleb, and good presentation It's unfortunate how twitter has a way or creating more discord than discourse!
Thank you, I’m glad you liked it!
That is indeed unfortunate. It is certainly not the best place to discuss history it would seem.
Twitter / X is toxic. I’ve just subbed to your channels so I can watch some of your other content. Interesting video!
Great video Caleb, I totally agree with you!
Thank you for the nice comment!
Nice presentation There is something inherently confrontational about Twitter, so even respectful replies will be read as hostile.
That’s interesting. I’ve never used it before, so I wasn’t really sure what to expect.
@@calebhowells1116 Yeah, twitter has that reputation of being full of folks who are super snowflakey and eager to read insult into things. I'm on there but rarely interact with people
@@Bimfirestarter It’s definitely a shame!
Just subscribed I was already subscribed on my other channel. But now my viewers will see your channel, and may be interested. I wouldn't mind seeing you do a discussion on Owain danwyn and Artur mac aedan along side with Arthwys. There my 3 favourite figures many people identify as king Arthur. Much love and many blessings great job in doing what you do. Your channel deserves more subscribers
That’s really considerate of you, thank you!
That’s a nice idea. I’ll definitely get round to doing that at some point soon. Thank you for the suggestions.
@@calebhowells1116 that would be amazing as I love anything King arthur.
I'm someone who is very interested in the Athrwys Ap Meurig theory (I'm not completely convinced yet, but it's very very intriguing). I want to point you towards something that I haven't heard any Athrwys theorists mention. There is an urban legend of Arthur as the foster son of Cynyr Ceinfarfog. Now, Cynyr Ceinfarfog is also the father of St. Non (Nonnita aka the mother of the very famous St. David) and another St. Wenna (Gwen). There's a place in gwynedd called Maen Gwenonwy that is said to be named after Arthur's sister and the site of Arthur's final battle. I can't help but notice that Gwenonwy seems like an amalgam of these two women's names. Given St. Non's connections to St. David, I've been curious if there's any interesting connection to Athrwys through these people. Figured you might be the right person to ask.
Hi, thanks for the comment. Those are some interesting points you raise. Funnily enough, the video that I uploaded earlier today is actually about David's connection to Athrwys. Check it out if you haven't already.
It doesn't really address your points, but it might shed some light on some of the things you're wondering.
I haven't yet researched Cynyr in any depth, so I can't comment on that, but it's definitely something I want to investigate further.
@@calebhowells1116 Thank you for your response! I'll definitely be watching it, and thank you for looking into this topic. I hope you make a breakthrough with it. I'm just someone who looks into this stuff as a hobby, so it's nice to see somebody avidly researching Athrwys. One of my favorite aspects of the Athrwys theory is the tie-in with Saint Armel. I feel like it could explain why Arthurian lore somehow made its way to France. I know not everybody agrees that Armel and Athrwys are the same, but it's fascinating for sure. Anyway, thank you and best of luck with all of your research. I'll definitely be keeping up with your content.
@@KeeperofAlexandria I’m glad you’ve been enjoying my content so far, and thank you for the kind words!
The saint Armel connection is interesting, although I’m not fully convinced by it, but I agree it has some merits.
If you aren’t already aware, I’ve actually written a book in which I go into considerable depth concerning the connections between Athrwys’ family and that of Arthur in the legends. If you just search my name on Google you’ll find it immediately.
Not sure how it is impossible for a great grandson to have died so long after A great grandfather. It's true this case would mean two hundred years later, so you'd have to throw only three generations into that two hundred years but...I'm not able to look at the chronology or the annals at the moment, but are we sure that the dating of it is accurate?
It would require each generation to have been extremely long. Not impossibly long, but close. And yet since Meurig, Athrwys, Morgan and Ithel were all alive during the tenure of a single bishop, Oudoceus, that shows that the gap between Morgan and his son Ithel cannot have been very long at all.