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How to enter Oscars: Step 1) portray shadeed negative image of Pakistan 2) Show everything that is against Islam. Tadaaaa Oscar apka hua
@@sajidabandukwala3278 don't you try to elaborate Islam as an oppressive deen! There are two different terms, transgender and intersex. I totally accept and respect intersex as I treat other human beings. But no tolerance for the transgender ones. Secondly madam, just let me know why there isn't any movie ever shown where the person who was thinking to go under gender transformations actually gets treated, gets the proper counseling and return back to his normal shape! Why can't the writer come up with the story line with out portraying love story between homosexuals and showing that how can a intersex fight for their rights!!!???? Love story hee bachi thi intersex ke emotions ko portray krney ke liyay. It's an absolute funded agenda film and nothing else. Aesi thori gorey uchal rhay hen aesi thori Oscars mil rhay
And mind it the award it has been given is for Queer Palm category
True.. 😄
@ushna I totally understand your point am surprised why these two journalists giving a lot of favor to this movie
Well said
@@ushnaadnan5879 acha hate story or violence hota to wo qabool hai. Love story se masla hai? Or tumain kya lagta hai k pyaar ka haq sirf male n female muslims ko hi hai!??? Baki marain to behtar hai? What is this entitlement?
Glad you guys talked about Joyland.
Hearing Amna, it is evident that there is no clear indication of whether the person in the movie is portrayed as a trans person or an intersex. This is exactly where the problem lies because it provides a safe grey area to stretch the boundaries of cultural norms to desensitize people over something that is TOTALLY prohibted.
As Amna said, we already show much of haram in our movies and dramas like extra-marital affairs and drinking etc so what is wrong with this?
Yes, i accept but two wrongs don’t make a right. And the intensity of this wrong is openly a War against Allah. There’s nothing to debate over it.
I wonder what is our obsession with International awards. And the fact that no media outlet or any of the movie’s team member openly revealed the awards name, ‘’Cannes Queer Palm Award for Best LGBTQ Movie’’ is itself shocking because they knew all along where the problem lies.
We are already doomed as a nation, we have many deficiences but for God’s Sake take some step for the love of Allah. Sab nay mar kay Allah ko hi shakal dikhani hai.
👏🏼👍🏻well put together!
What is your obsession with punishing people on behalf of Allah? You think He can’t decide it on His own?
Our country literally runs on interest loans and it is stated in Quran that this means we’re at a direct war with Allah (Astaghfirullah). So the two wrongs, and now three, and tomorrow four wrongs won’t make a right and we’ll get labelled hypocrites but like you said where do you draw the line... I get what you mean though because Muslim societies around the world have accepted a lot of haram in them, but the main issue that is still somewhat unacceptable (as it should be) is the LGBTQ issue. But what separates us from other Muslim countries is that in the part of region we reside in, we’ve always had a very prominent Khwajasirah community. And at the time this film is releasing a trans law is passing through the country. It’s a very controversial topic and I think even with an intersex character (which is not haram) it would still be controversial. I think had they actually shown a friendship rather than a relationship develop, the issue would not even arise, as depictions of intersex or even trans characters or cross dressing is not unusual on Pakistani cinema or tv before. The real question is I wonder how this film passed the censorship in the first place.
@@aziza000 You haven't seen the film. You don't know what's in it. You are parroting what others are saying, which will probably turn out to be incorrect.
Thank you for being the only one speaking sense @salman ibrahim
I love your content but this video is just downright biased and ignorant. First off, the very fact that there is no clarity as to whether the MC of Joyland is intersex or transgender is concerning. This ambiguity creates the room for perpetuating Haram undertones that are subtle enough to not get blatantly called out. This film won an international award for the LGBT category which can't be ignored. Next up, you treated the whole gender fluidity discussion with an appalling level of nonchalance. The phenomenon of trangenderism isn't just religiously wrong, it is also highly illogical. It basically means placing more value on volatile feelings than actual facts. Please do your research before speaking up in favor of something like this. The idea of justifying one sin on the basis of another one is also ridiculous. All the other "sins" you compared it to are always portrayed in a negative light in media. This film not just normalizes it but also glorifies it. Also, raising concerns about the kind of content being shown and promoted in an Islamic country is not tantamount to robbing someone of their right to dignified existence. What's wrong is wrong. Even from a non religious pov, entertaining and acknowledging someoenes delusions for the sake of being tolerant and respectful doesn't make sense. You guys should have evaluated this topic in a more well rounded way instead of pushing a flawed argument.
Absolutely. I haven't seen the movie. But from what I gather, if the spectrum of Biba's gender is truly left fluid then that in itself is very alarming. Transgender or intersex? If this aren't clearly addressed and left to interpretation. Then that is not acceptable.
Even if Biba the trans character is actual intersex or they haven’t touched on that aspect of her identity, let’s be honest they won’t come out and say that as it will seem as a clarification on their part, and it will come across as them trying to distance themselves away from the transgender/gay issue which people are up on arms about (as they should be) and would mean it would conflict with their recognition at Cannes.
From what I’ve heard it seems they have turned the relationship into a friendship in Joyland now, which like you said would be a false attempt and disingenuous on their part, as their original intention was about a transgender in general of any type. The director has said in previous interviews that this story is about the Punjabi stage shows and how transgenders are reduced to performing for money only and how this trans character develops feelings for one of their backup dancers because after all they’re humans who have desires. And this idea of stage shows, dancing for men or trans/intersex people is not a secret in our society, it’s an open and public sin that happens. So arguably, why is that acceptable but a film touching on that topic unacceptable? Maybe the fact the film has received a ‘queer’ award or is becoming the face of Pakistani cinema therefore representing the country, is the larger issue at play here.
One of much needed comment here. 👍🏻
@@aziza000 Perfect analysis! The objectification and exploitation of intersex people is a huge societal issue. If a film exposes this social evil and offers appropriate solutions to it, more power to it. What messes things up is the subtle inclusion of Western themes which could pass as acceptable but clearly tread the slippery slope of glorifying Haram ideas.
And amna, who always says that she understands English more than Urdu, is now saying that this film is about khwaja sira not transgender or intersex, as if there is no difference between the two terms, masha allah claps for you both ...
پنجابی میں ہم کہتے ہیں
ادی مات ماری گئی اے
تو یہاں بھی کچھ ایسا ہی سین ہے، یہ So called liberal ان کو تو لبرل کا بھی نہیں پتہ
ثانیہ سعید بول رہی ہے یہ Adult کے لئے ہے
اور صائم صادق family فلم بتا رہا ہے
مطلب یہ خود Confused ہے۔
۔
I feel sad about amna opinion..
Matlb Jan booj k آنکھیں band kar leny sy Sach tu nae chup jae ga..
Allah knows you niyyat..
I feel extremely sad
Feel sad for yourself. If you think hating and marginalizing people over your belief is ok. Than may Allah punish you for breaching human rights first. Ameen
@@ahmadfahadandmomvlogs5959 ^
Few points:
1. It would be best to form an opinion and convey the same if you get other side’s perspective. Listen to Raja Zia Ul Haq.
2. Two wrongs do not make a right
3. Yes! Media can alter the culture and values. What we see is what we can potentially end up doing (not all but some with weak beliefs etc.) That’s why they say. See no evil, hear no evil.
4. Promote Mehrub and intersex community after getting deep knowledge on them. Else don’t say anything. I suggest you watch this video of Raja Zia ul haq where he called this panel of people who had first hand experience with the community and are extremely knowledgeable people e.g., doctors etc.
5. And no! We should be confused desis. We shouldn’t question sexual orientation from privacy invasiveness perspective but should care about our society and our generation to come.
I completely agreed
Please attach the link for raja zia ul haq video
If the story of Joyland is not only about trans person.. then why is the film only promoted on the basis of that story only... Why filmmaker has not released any other posters..
Joyland film won awards because it's hit our religion our culture and norms which will destroy the generation as the country is already polarized💔💔
Don't mix the two completely different terms: (1) Intersex (2) Transgender
Intersex people are neither male nor female by BIRTH
while Transgender is a person who is born as male but later becomes female and it is also a person who is born as female but later becomes male. There is no existence of “Gender Fluidity” or “Transgenderism” naturally in this entire universe. ALLAH created only two genders of human: (1) male (2) female
Transgenderism means a state or condition in which a person's identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional ideas of male or female gender.
Well said! You’re absolutely correct. These two terms are NOT interchangeable.
👏 👏 wonderfully said
Yr trans hai ya nhi is baat ko chor do! Fidelity dkhai b hai wo b intersex k sath, jis main dono genders ki specifications hain! Lekin ye kahien gy k مسئلہ humien khwajasira sy hai! Agr apko unhein empowered dkhana hau to plz unhien motivational type k roles dein! Love relationship hi dkhana rh gaya.
💯👍🏻
@@bia.4405 Well said 👏🏼
Humble request to you both ( Aamna and Hassan) to invite Raja Zia Ul Haq (CEO of Youth Club) on your show and then being a journalist you should discuss this sensitive topic (Joy Land issue) with him instead of giving your side views on public.
Pakistan is a Islamic country and Joyland gonna represent Pakistan in the world. So as Muslims and Pakistani citizens we have an absolute right to raise a campaign or ban something that is falling against the Islamic values or supporting even 1% of any propaganda that is against the Islam..!
And yes why you should invite any Islamic scholar on your show?? Answer is it's Pakistan ( county based on Islamic ideology) so even your shown is all about Film/drama/fashion/music industry....still you have to pass any statement according to Islam specially on such sensitive issues...u can't ignore Islam.
So Please invite a Islamic scholar ( Raja Zia Up Haq) to your show if you really wanna justice to journalism.
Thanks
Raja zia ul haq is gay hismelf
U r right I've seen that video and it's an eyes opening I know in media they will support this on the name of liberalism and right for these kind of people but as a Muslim I'm literally disguised by listening the basic story and never ever will watch these kind of content I don't even watch that much movies but this one is big no
What is he going to bring to the discussion? He's gay? Like put on dresses? I guys he can bring a personal insight
They will never invite Raja zia ul haq kyo k jaha per inki sari information khatam hoti h waha se Zia bhai ki shuru hoti h
They won’t invite him they are liberals they have nothing to do anything with Islam they belong to elite class where everything is normal in their eyes , they just say and discuss because they are getting paid for it !! They are not doing this show for free
Allah said in the Quran:
(27:54):
" We also sent Lot, and recall when he told his people: "Do you commit shameless acts with your eyes open?"
(27:55) :
"Do you lustfully approach men instead of women? Nay, you engage in acts of sheer ignorance."
(27:56):
"But this had only one answer from his people. They said: "Expel Lot's folk from your city. They pretend to be absolutely clean."
(27:57):
" Eventually We saved (Lot) and his family, except his wife. We had decreed that she should be among those who would remain behind."
(27:58):
" And We rained down upon them a rain. It was an evil rain for those who had already been warned."
Allah also said things about adultery , violence on women , and following each and everything the whole entertainment industry would be banned … don’t quote things when they support your bias and ignore things that don’t. If you really want to be a jihadist then get the whole thing banned
@@abby2162 I didn't ignore other things too, each and every thing Allah has declared wrong is Wrong. But why so mad friend, I have just quoted some verses from the Quran, I didn't say that other things aren't wrong.
I’m not mad I’m just saying don’t quote things selectively which you are doing in this case , people in that nation were also killed cause they were kidnapping and raping people , just quoting one thing out of the whole thing makes it selective and biased that’s what I’m saying
@@abby2162 first of all I also quote hadiths and verses related to the topic when I see someone supporting other things like violence, murder, rape or anything Allah has made forbidden. Secondly yes the people of that valley were also destroyed because they rape, but rape who? "The men". They used to rape the men, which is again "homesexuality", so ofcourse I'll quote things related to the topic.
You forgot kidnapping and stealing too those were also reasons for their destruction it was not solely sexual preference see what I mean by picking and choosing. Anyways all three of these things are already present in Pakistan so what’s your argument unless you can stop all three which I doubt
Few years back their is no depiction of using alcohol in dramas and it has been showing slowing and now When we watch someone consuming alcohol on main screen , we r ok with that becox we desensitized..... Similarly with the other ethical dilemmas ; i.e. infadility, rape, house breaking women, going to any extend for the sake of love etc.... And we r gradually desensitized Abt all these thing.... We are ok watching them..... Kuch bura feel nhi hota..... Same will happen when we let homosexuality depiction on our main stream dramas..... If we allow this , in future , we will be looking gays in our main dramas...... We r not going to be OK with such sins...... We should not.....
Two negatives never be positive..... Baki kachra dekha rahay hain tu agr ye b dekha diya tu Kya howa ????
Is gunnah ki waja say ek qaum pr azab Aya tha...... Hum already decline ki trf ja rahay hain..... DNT accelerate the process by letting such stuff on air.....
Yes true I live in USA family is settled here I work in corporate financial world where Gays and lesbians are welcome and transgender too so completely understand what’s going on but never liked them have hatred in my heart many Christians hate them too but unfortunately the government supports them ! So in Pakistan we claim it as Islamic country but it’s not the way people are getting obsessed with west which is a sign of mental decline. Why among so much crap on media the need to show this movie!
Amna giving examples of wrong acts and justifying it by saying that if other forbidden acts are shown so why cant homosexuality be shown is just so senseless. all prohibited acts seen in dramas needs to be condemned and shamed.
Then why arnt all of the other drama and shows banned??? Not wearing hijab is haram, and according to the same logic it promotes fahashi, then all shows, dramas, movies should be banned no?
@@mohammadali-zz5uo please not wearing hijab isnt haraam or a a major sin yet its compulsory and fard on woman and if she doesnt shes accountable to her Lord only dont get things twisted and about dramas / industry the whole thing is wrong islamically and when it comes to homosexuality allah sent an adaaab on a group of people who did it , theres an intensity to this wrong act comparing to other sins like drinking , not wearing hijab , killing etc altho they are wrong too
@@mohammadali-zz5uo comparing homosexuality with other sins? Dusre sins waqai galat haib lekn un ki waja kabhi qoume or basti tabah nahi hue
@@has885 yeah if women dont wear a Hijab then they are accountable to god only right?? So why isnt the same logic applied for homosexuals?? And btw Hijab is compulsory, not wearing one is Haram sis
@@mnelf2754 Bro The azaab was not JUST for homosexuality it was for rape and zinah aswell, basically it was a Azaab for immoral sexual activities. Also with your logic Azaab was also implemented on sins such as Idol worshipping, polytheism etc, tou movies main hum atheists ya hindus ki representation na dekhaye??
The trans shown in the movie is the "biological male" who changes his gender, and that information is even available on Wikipedia. Anyone who's coming here to watch the show plz do your own research on the movie. #banjoyland
Might me wrong info. She is saying that , that person is not shown as trans nor male. That person is shawn as khwaja sira i.e. intersex person.
Wikipedia have a lot of wrong info.
@@zubia777 exactly!! anyone, literally, anyone can write whatever they want on wikipedia
You can check any link sister, it's all there. As I added one must do their research, as I did not just merely check Wikipedia, but the point is that nowadays a practicing Muslim is being called out for being an extremist. Astagfirullah. And all these celebrities and anyone who's promoting and justifying such stuff think it's just another cool trend to bluntly follow filth.
Kindly get lost Bushra.
Can a male have a relationship with a intersex person ( khuwajasira)???? This ahould be the main point but people are stuck in trans or intersex
Transgender is NOT equal to Intersex.
The movie needs to clarify if they’re talking about intersex individual. We don’t need these blurred lines.
This movie will set a precedent in approving LGBTQ movies in Pakistan for future so no it’s not about just one movie!
Aamna we’re very disappointed in you to justify one major sin with another sin.
If you’re referring to Mere Paas Tum Ho then the drama DID NOT glorify infidelity, you know very well how Mahwish was torn apart in it. So if we make a movie about transgenderism then we need to not glorify it. If the movie is about intersexism then it needs to be highlighted.
In the Qur’an if anything LGBTQ related is a major sin then we must stand by our values.
The Pakistani awaam does not condone hate crimes and violence against the intersex community. Intersex individuals have every right to make a respectable livelihood. The problem occurs when transgender individuals pose as intersex and ask for these same rights. Hopefully this clarifies a lot for y’all.
Well explained 👏
Exactly. They both are saying "ik film yaar ik film" "ik film" lol. Tou bhai shuruaat aise hi hoti hai na. Aaj aik hai, slightly dikha rahi hai, 20 saal baad 20 filmain hongi.
As for the agenda thing, it is not about the number of films promoting a certain message. It is about building tolerance and acceptance for the lgbt in the general public, which this film clearly aims at. The pursuit of agendas like this is often insidious. It employs several innocuous guises to come across as acceptable.
I agree the west and Indians have normalised lgbt through their films, but what about reality. Every night, we see khwaja sira standing on road sides picked by men in cars, on bikes. Every one sees this every night, and knows what is going on. Also our mazaars, Abdullah Shah ghazi mazaar, according to a report, is the place where homosexuality takes place the most.Pakistan is amongst the top countries where homsexuality videos are browsed the most.
Many of these khwaja sira are actually men with psychological problems about their gender, the west calls them transgenders. What is the solution; should they be banished, should they be shunned? They co exist with us in the same society and are a reality, from ages.
Hating them, cancelling them, calling haraam would not change anything.
The agenda of the trans community can’t be called an western agenda when it’s a massive reality and open sin that takes place in our part of the world for decades, and they have been depicted on tv and films before and have existed in the Indian subcontinent way before the advent of recent western acceptance/culture. I visit Pakistan and see more trans on the streets walking around than I do in London, the most liberal city in the world lol. I also saw a wedding film of a very distant relative and they invited a trans to dance and the men were leering and cheering at the trans and this was in early 2010s. And the men in the video were average Pakistani Muslim men. Also this is an issue only in our subcontinent because you won’t see these people in Algeria or Turkey for that matter. An agenda on the other hand would be trying to normalise and glorify homosexuals and their relationships as even if this happens it is very private act and is completely unacceptable let alone tolerated in public or our society in general, unlike trans, who like the previous commentator has mentioned they have long been been part of our society. I think the issue like I mentioned in a previous comment to you is the western nod of approval or queer tag that is associated with this film.
@@mahnoorqureshi3281 West does not call them transgender. Transgender and khuwajasara( intersex) are two different thing .
@@mahnoorqureshi3281 thank you for your reasoned comment! People can be so bigoted in the manner they view ‘others’ who are not like them!it’s as though we have lost our humanity! It was not that long ago apart from killing Jews, Hitler also killed thousands of homosexuals,this attitude across many fundamentalist preachers be they in the west or east is very perturbing!
@@laraybhifzahkhan1966 we have hermaphrodite, & intersex have both male and female characteristics in the same individual! Hermaphrodite consists of both types of gonads,while intersex individuals consists of other sex characteristics such as sex chromosomes excluding gonads! So this is the physical aspect of the trait!Transgender has to do with your internal knowledge of your gender identity, thus this is equally important in that here it’s the mind involved!who are we then to decide that the physical attributes to hermaphroditism’s or intersex is acceptable but the mental attribute to transgender can’t be acceptable?
It clearly shows that Hassan is mostly on the side of accepting that why is film Joyland banned, but he doesn't have the guts to say this on media platform, or else he will be not accepted by the media people..
Spot on. I noticed the exact same thing
Joyland won the Queer Palm Award, the award which is given to LGBT-relevant films. The film has received much acclaim at the Cannes Film Festival because it promotes LGBTQ+/Transgenderism.
In the guise of the rights of Intersex People who are neither male nor female by birth, Transgenderism and LGBTQ+ are being promoted. What ALLAH has called a sin is a sin, even if the entire world considers it legitimate and a human right.
Totally! 😑
Okay but what about extra martial affairs being shown on tv , violence on tv , child rapes those are also “haram” don’t be selective with your ban when it relates to your biases :)
@@abby2162 the difference is those acts that you are talking about are always condemned and shown to be bad. But it’s the opposite for this film. They are supporting and promoting it
@@abby2162 قتل و غارت، جنسی زیادتی، انسانوں کے حقوق سلب کرنا وغیرہ وغیرہ یہ سب باقی دنیا میں بھی قانون کی نظروں میں گناہ ہیں، جرم ہیں۔ اور LGBTQ+/Transgenderism یہ ہمارے دین میں گناہِ کبیرہ ہے جبکہ باقی دنیا نے اس کو قانونی طور پر درست کہہ دیا ہے۔
بطور مسلمان ہمارا زندگی گزارنے کا طریقہ دینِ اسلام کے مطابق ہونا چاہیے۔ ہمارا قانون دینِ اسلام کے مطابق ہونا چاہیے۔ اللہ سے بڑا کوئی بھی نہیں ہے۔ جس کام کو اللہ نے گناہ کہا ہے اور اُس ہی گناہ کو باقی دنیا انسانی حق سمجھتی ہے، جائز سمجھتی ہے، گناہ نہیں سمجھتی تو ہمیں بطور مسلمان اُس کام کو گناہ ہی سمجھنا چاہیے اور اس کے خلاف ہی ہونا چاہیے۔ ٹھیک ہے کہ ہم کوئی بہت اچھے مسلمان نہیں ہیں۔ قتل و غارت، جنسی زیادتی، دوسروں کے حقوق سلب کرنا وغیرہ وغیرہ یہ سب گناہ/جرم روزانہ ہو رہے ہوتے ہیں لیکن ان کو پہلے ہی ساری دنیا گناہ/جرم سمجھتی ہے اور ان کے خلاف قانون بھی بنائے گئے ہیں۔ لیکن ایک ایسا کام جو دینِ اسلام میں تو گناہ ہے لیکن باقی ساری دنیا کے لیے گناہ نہیں ہے اور اس کے حق میں قانون بنائے جا رہے ہیں، اس کے حق میں ڈرامے، فلمیں، گانے بنائے جا رہے ہیں، اس کے حق میں Educational Institutes میں کورسز کروائے جا رہے تو ہمیں بطور مسلمان اس کے خلاف شِدت سے آواز بلند کرنی چاہیے۔ کبھی سوچا ہے کہ جس کام کو ہمارا دین گناہ کہتا ہے، اُس کام کو باقی ساری دنیا کیوں اتنا support کرتی ہے؟ کیوں اتنا ہر چیز میں LGBTQ Plus کو glorify کیا جا رہا ہے؟ کیوں اتنا زور لگایا جا رہا ہے کہ LGBTQ+/Transgenderism کو ساری دنیا میں نافذ کیا جائے؟
@@Waleed.869 have you seen the film ??? How do you know the final outcome of the movie if you haven’t , also it got cleared again like it already did once so we will find out soon enough
What a humble reply by humayun to Shan .. that's why humayun is the biggest super star ⭐✨....and in the name of freedom Joyland promotes LGBT..so being a Muslim we should not encourage it.. it's not about the choices ..we are bound with limits by Almighty Allah
The main reason why there are apprehensions about the the film is because it won palm queer award for lgbt, queer or feminist theme movies. Saim Sadiq, on the other hand says it is the story of a khwaja sira. In Pakistan the intersex, khwaja sira are officially called transgenders, unlike the western meaning of transgender. This is probably because Islam only recognises , gives identity and rights to male female, and those born with gender defect. Those who later on associate themselves with another gender, are simply male or female with mental problems. The west has given them an identity calling them transgenders. Is it the story about a transgender , khwaja sira as in Pakistan, put in the category of lgbT( for trans)in the west? This should have been cleared by Saim Sadiq, as true or not.
Secondly, a love story between a trans and a man is raising questions. Only those who have watched the movie can tell if a sexual relationship is shown or a benign one. The fate of the film should only be decided by carefully watching the movie, by the concerned authorities, since sentiments are high on both sides, but religion is supreme.
It's about promoting zina..psychology point if view intersex people who are less than 1(biologically born) has no intimate desires..it's doctor point of view, we need to see professional not random common poeple if unfortunately we are not believing Quran word .
Ali E . Has just uploaded his vlog about Joy Land, film + Amna sis + frnds can b seen in Ali E. Vlog .
Raja Zia with docters + speakers on LGBT bill n recently on Joy Land sharing opinion.
Sana bucket Rabia Shazia Hasan Amna sis many more showing their thoughts .
Ali E . N Raja Zia's vlogs or channels worth listening.
Ali E . Showed blur images from Joy Land too
Thank you so much for such a well written and succinct introduction to what Joyland is about.
@@tabinda460 let’s be honest a lot of our dramas depict adultery or pre marital relations (even if they’re arguably are showing those things as morally wrong) but that can be taken as promoting as well since it’s normalising it to the viewers and it’s not fair that one film should be targeted on that basis and all the others ignored. Even movies like Maula Jatt was promoting the use of alcohol, and I am surprised no one has mentioned it whereas even I who am not very religious was shocked by that. The main issue is with the trans person but also with their love story with a man. Also I read about intersex in Islam, they can actually marry the person they’re most attracted to and can appear like the gender they most appear as. Transgenders where you change your gender usually after hitting puberty (or even before) is what’s completely haram and forbidden in Islam and should not be encouraged. An issue in our society is that a lot of the Khawajasirsh community is actually transgenders. They are kids that are born male, but with more feministic qualities and their parents disown them. It’s an subcontinent thing as they have existed for centuries here, this community on this level did not exist like this even in the west up until today.
@@aziza000 if u r regular on this channel or on other Pakistani TV plays reviews, trust me every wise upright true person including me object on tv plays + films ,v up against toxicity drugs Alcohol rapes child abuse mother in law beating hitting igniting daughter in law husbnds torturing wives girls greed lust jealousy affairs cheating suicide crazy love facing criticism v donot wana encourage writters for promoting teaching wrong path
As far as Mula Jut concerned yes u r right not only Alcohol but blood both bad u feel bad , I watched twice in cinema I m giving honest feed back do not take even teens with u for Mula Jut, Alcohol openly shown + too much blood but no vulgarity no item songs. Wrong is wrong Alcohol especially for Hero figure not ideal not for common man Haram is Haram wrong is wrong .
U ll always find audience against tv plays which promoting wrong Sin Haram .
Just like Amna said "munafkat is fully embedded in this nation" . I totally get it. it is so sad and they want world to respect us. tragic
If u are aware of all the statements that are being passed by the government or the celebrities and whoever who's involved in this movie, then how did you forget your creator's Statement!? Talk about both sides and see who you are choosing to promote, the side you're choosing.
Amna are you thinking that people who are in favor of banning Joyland were happy to watch whatever happened in mere pass tum ho, darar and etc. It does not justify that since these topics were released the Joyland must too.
The word Trans is used in the description of movie under its trailer, also got the award for the same category as best LGBtQ movie.
Do not suger coat the word Trans with Khwajasara as you already said it is not clarified in the movie if she is intersex or not.
I request people to know the difference between Transgender and intersex and before promoting and endorsing anything always remember that eventually you'll be answerable to God.
#Banjoylad
Exactly..two wrongs don't make a right
And there was also a sense of remorse for the characters in merypastumho for whatever sin they did.
The hosts of something haute are sort of promoting these things ...
Exactly amna isani, not expecting this foolish argument from you. Sad so sad
you are so right. what they are showing in daraar is also disgusting. Why is that allowed? Problem with movies is that they are more open and they can show way more than our dramas can. The Joyland team failed to mention in any interviews that the film won the award for best LGTBQ movie??
It’s quite sad though how India gets such good representation abroad. First Lagaan and now RRR, which could potentially win at the Golden Globes and Oscars. These films talk about honouring friendships, fighting for your country and rights against oppression, loyalty, culture, patriotism, brotherhood, pure love, honesty and integrity. However our films or projects that go famous globally always tend to be marred with controversy as they always almost have some controversial topic in them! If filmmakers are asking public to support them, maybe make something worth supporting. There is so much good stuff in our country to make films on and send to the world!
it takes guts to talk abt topics no one can touch ,inside the box anyone can live
On point 🙌
And getting international acclaim is more important than adhering to your religious beliefs ?
Yes all movies from Pakistan celebrated and awarded generally seem to highlight Pakistan as a problematic country and nothing to uplift our honor..... So unpatriotic.
@@imranaalam6074 i agree. Taboo topics are that much tougher to explore, there are breakthrough films in India too, but our government is not bound by any religious beliefs. Unfortunately, as Aamna very rightly pointed out, issues that are certified wrong , in all religions, go through without comment
I have only once commented on your video in the past but this issue is so important that I feel I must leave my thoughts with you, especially as you asked for it.
I have not seen Joyland. However, hearing your description of the film and the controversy surrounding it, I think you failed to mention one key point that I deduce is actually the real issue: the nature of the relationship between Haider and Biba.
You commented at length on the film and repeated several times that Biba isn't categorically 'trans'. That's not the problem. The problem is that i) the character isn't very clearly 'not trans' and therefore her relationship with Haider could be interpreted technically as homosexual, and ii) depiction of a relationship between a straight male and an intersex person, if that is indeed what Biba is, is still very much stretching the bounds of what is normal and acceptable on screen in Pakistani society. Yes infidelity, drinking, interest etc. are all sins but are all unfortunately already normalised as well. I do, for what it's worth, hear criticism when drinking and infidelity are openly depicted in the media, but I totally agree it's not to the same extent as the outrage being expressed at Joyland. Because this particular scenario IS new to the screens of Pakistan. You cannot deny this. And I must ask what is your point - that if drinking and infidelity are normalised on screen, so too should these kinds of relationships? Do you really think that the intersex community of Pakistan will earn dignity in this particular manner, and not be further objectified instead? I can think of 101 better ways to present this community in the media as worthy of respect and compassion just like the rest of us.
Trying to justify the screening of this film using whataboutery isn't going to work. It's about what is socially acceptable right now and what isn't, regardless (unfortunately) of halal/haram. I'm frankly surprised you've missed this.
Religion limitations should not be crossed by anyone and after this everyone will breach it easily which is most devastating thing💔and plx don't say that it is art or freedom of expression bcoz insulting the religion is not art or freedom💔💔
Hassan bhai G haan stories impact krti hain. West mei bhi toh taboo tha yeh aj se 30 saal pehle woh bht geedaar kaum thhey lekn ub mind wash ho gya hai unka aur hr bnda gender identity aur gender dysphoria ka shikaar hai... 5 saal k bachey genders ko le k confuse hain.. Change ek din mei nhi aata... And about your question i’ll request you too please watch Raja Zia ul Haq videos on LGBTQ issue so you can understand what a medical biological intersex is and whats the confusion
Based on the research that I’ve personally made I reckon that the story of this film indicates that it revolves around a love story of a man and trans which in my opinion seems irrelevant and inappropriate to be precise.I also don’t agree with Amna’s point of view about Pakistan being one of the top 5 countries where porn is watched because you can’t justify it by indulging a whole different matter.As Shan mentioned that we need to come out from “aaongi and jaongi” scenario but there a lot more things to discuss rather than this.
Even if it's happening..point is let's allow more filth ir we should stop more
I think Amna won't accept her ignorance
Amna always portraying liberal ideas why all the time include we are a nation where porn watched what do you mean to allow more sin in society to make youth believe no harm to love your male friend or female friend? What point you are trying to justify here
I wonder will any of our film ever get world wide recognition which would be made on Islamphobia, Palestine issues or any other related issues???? no never...why our film makers only have to tell stories about LGBTQ..there are many many more stories to be told. Its wise decision by the government...for me personally its a way to normalize all these things slowly in the society #Banjoyland
First try to highlight and fix social problems, then talk about political issues. OSCARS and other film festivals don't pay attention to political garbage.
Why would Pakistanis make a film on Palestine lol. Also Palestinian filmmakers do make films on their country and issues which come on Netflix, go to film festivals etc. Please don’t talk from ignorance. It is a bit weird however that only controversial topics from Pakistan get picked up by the west, whether that’s Zindagi Tamasha, Javed Iqbal which have also been appreciated globally. And then the Oscar win which was for the documentary on acid attack victims, so that’s a fair point to make.
Although from what I’ve seen of Joyland (it shows a regular Pakistani family wanting a son for a child, a khwajasirah performer of Punjabi stage shows are also a depiction (bad depiction, maybe) of Pakistan) so it nots completely made up.
@@aziza000 Films like Javed Iqbal and Zindagi Tamasha must be shown in cinema..they shouldn't be banned but sorry Joyland is a total different scanario.ok leave the political issues talk on the social issues..Films like these make more people like #Mehrub Moiz Awan...do we want them to be role model for our next generation??? If they really wana empower Trans community they should potray them in a good light. Unki hi koi fictional success story bna letay. but no at the end whi dance and whi extra marital affair and pyar... bullshit
I’m mostly concerned about joyland because of the terms used and the sheer lack of understanding between the difference. I don’t know who wrote our constitution, but for an Islamic republic, it is merely stupid and idiotic to umbrella both intersex and transsexual individuals. They are very very different. Intersex are people that are born neither male or female and are advised in Islam to stick with the sex they most conform with from birth. In Pakistan, the ridiculous stigmas cause these people to rely on other means for work. They are essentially forced to become dancers, sex slaves, and other horrifying and objectifying careers - without their choice. Please watch Alif Allah aur insaan to get a better idea of what these people face. Transsexuals are those who choose to change their gender even though they are born normal. This is entirely Haram and unacceptable in our religion. Now what does joyland depict? Does anybody know for sure? I’ve seen articles saying it’s about intersex, but then there’s also the aspect of a person changing their gender and having an lgbt relationship. I don’t believe that censorship is the best option, but disclaimers and warnings can advise people about the message of the film. Nadia jamil raised a point that a drama like Meray Paas Tum Ho essentially implied that a woman was doing zina so what’s the problem with joyland showing this kind of a relationship. The problem is the narrative. MPTH showed the downfall and regret of Mehwish and essentially sent the message that you shouldn’t cheat and you should be thankful for love. Joyland is allegedly sending the message that these types of relationships (lgbt) are ok, and that is unacceptable in islam. If they depict the consequences it would make more sense, but it’s not normal for our audience to view this kind of local content which is causing an uproar.
Did you not watch the video amna herself stated that the relationship and intersex or transgender person person has with the male lead ENDS UP IN DIASTER pls do rrsearch commeting a unvalid critisim
Dear Aamna and Hassan: In my opinion, the makers of Joyland could have avoid the controversy. Knowing our religion and society, they could have shown beeba and Haider good friends helping each other in their struggles. There was no need of “other” kind of feelings which are objectionable. Now it’s just a lost opportunity. They are objectifying khaja saras that you cannot have a normal friend like relationship with them.
I wish khaja saras were shown to have accepted by the people that they are capable of everything just like other people.
You are absolutely right .Adding this angle whether it was done on purpose or not has created controversy .Why they can’t show a progressive story of a intersex person who faced so many hurdles in society and was able to build his life and career…Frankly speaking I was much disappointed with Amna calling it a tender love in Saim’s interview…On one end we are all up-to empowered characters in dramas and on other end we are glorifying already existing objectification of trans persons in society.
The fact the whole plot they've written is sensual & erotic type and revolves around new sexual exploration of Haider . The movie got award by competing 2 other western LGBT themed movies so even there were postive things in movie or Biba character is just intersex not trans the whole plot & awards the way they promoted to get western validation doesn't sit right how can they expect people not to ban it
Our movies or dramas show extramarital affairs or infidelity but they always show it in a wrong light…if a film shows lgbtq and doesnot say it wrong then its actually normalising it in society (not that Joyland does that or it should be banned)
I never comment but this time i have to. Such ignorant approach. Darar and MPTH showed wrong things as WRONG with saza in the end (whether or not they glorify it but end aim is to show that you get saza when you do such things). So this example doesnt fit for a movie which is clearly promoting whatever it is showing in a good light. Will come to transgender bit later. Firstly, you cannot justify haram thing in the cover of dignified existance plz. Yes changing gender is haram and yes L and G are also haram. Plz dont vague talk around something this CLEAR in Quran. Rest, IF the movie is about genetically born transgender then its fine. NOBODY is against them or want to pull them down. Let the makers of movie come foward and CLARIFY that. Simple. If they cant then the right decision is to ban it in Pakistan (whose constitution is ISLAM btw). They can show it in other countries and get credit. Nobody is stopping them. Tolerance is IMP but this is not about being intolerent. This is hadood of Allah. Also, many wrong things happening doesnt mean that might as well as let other wrongs things happen too. Thats an easy escape and leads nowhere.
even tho the movie ban has been lifted , its deffo not going to earn huge or get recoginiton like other films did , hopefully its going to be a loss for filmmakers. ameen
The film maker does not want to get hit and flop from cinema its all about oscar nominations for just 7 days release.
What Shaan hinted towards is the genre and the films made in a certain genre will be mentioned as example. So, being a journalist you should know how perceptions are created.
I am just loving how hassan is trying to clear out confusions and how boldly he picks up a deadly conversation like Riba(Sood), Sharab and especially when he said: Is it halal or haram to have dance on weddings?
And Aamna lost her words. wad just amazing and good to see such a practical guy. 🖤🖤
Two wrongs don't make one right
amna i watch you on daily basis but on joyland your views are biased towards the filmmakers...
see if some gunnah is shown in mpth or tlmj it dosent mean k hum baqi movies mein bhi usy dekhain aor homosexuallity is far more bigger crime then zina or alcohol....
and particularly in case of joyland agar app us ka plot check karein to us mein dikha rahay hein k a male feels for another male and a bhabhi and her husband's brother have a haram relationship due to which she become pregnant morever their father who is on wheel chair also have a relationship with neighbours wife ....i mean which society they are immitating about??
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Okay first of all, if the character in the film is inter-sex and not trans( THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE), then why does the plot of the film on IMDB says "Fiercely ambitious TRANS starlet" ?
Secondly, the film won the Cannes award under LGBTQ category.
Lastly, yes I agree that sharab, infedility, dances, and everything else you guys mentioned is haram. And yes, these have become normal in a certain class of this country. But still there are pious muslims out there who can not even imagine doing any of this. But the point I'm trying to make is that if these things have become normal, does that mean that all the other haram things should also be made normal. Like its literally like kai sb kuch tou hota hai yaha pai tou ye bhi honai do.
This is the funniest arguement one can put.
Anyways, may Allah give all of us hadaya.
1-No qaum got punished because of these sins (like drinking and all)
2-punishment of Loot A.S. qaum was very severe, it was split into three parts-
First- there was loud scream that silenced them all!
Second- punishment of marked raining stones (i.e. each stone had name of the targeted person written on it, and no matter how hard they tried to escape, it hit them)
Third- their whole town was raised to the sky and turned upside down and crashed.
Indeed they faced a hash and terrifying punishment.
Allah is Al-Ghafoor, very forgiving, but
This LGBT thing is war against Allah,
Prophet Loot's wife was way more pious than any of us, but just because she just looked back at these sinners with sympathy, one sympathetic glance and she was turned into a salt stone!
So it's your choice to even sympathize with this movie!!
COPIED
Just wanna say one thing to Amna that two wrongs do not make a right. If our dramas are showing things that are not the teachings of Islam then that’s not ok and no one’s saying that it’s right, but giving this argument to defend another wrong is foolish (I’m sorry).
I watched the clip where shan was answering the question. Shan said that we should make movies in other genres like sci-fi horror thrillers. It's time to move forward from idhar Nahi jahon ge ... uthar nahi jahon ge.... Tone on shan was calm and soft and didn't feel like he was sarcastically qouting humayun Saeed.
Please make a list of things you want to discuss. It's very back and forth when you'll cut each other halfway through a sentence. I know the vibe is casual, but respectfully it's getting very cluttered to keep track. Please please have a list before you start filming. Love you both
Aamna mentioned she would try her best to do crown review this past weekend - are we gonna get the review this week? Eagerly waiting! 🙃
The worst season ever but Pakistanis are just fascinated with the cringe kiss done by Humayun. He neither looked Dr Hasnat Khan nor had a body language of a highly qualified heart surgeon. A mixture of an adult movie star and Mario cart look alike is what the makers of the Crown picked to play the role of DR Hasnat Khan. They are paying more emphasis on the character of Dodi Al Fayad.
@@sabrinakhan8217 @Sabrina Khan - at Maria Kart reference 😂Agree with some of your points. I was a tad bit disappointed too - they definitely gave more screen time to Dodi who only came into Diana's life much later 🙄and spent only few weeks with her as opposed to Dr. Hasnat Khan who she was in a relationship for two years. Honestly this season was a bit boring and I skim through several scenes. Let's see what SH has to say about the above.
@@sabrinakhan8217 cant agree more!
Hassan brother aap haram ko Ye keh k promote na kerain k aur boht kuch b haram hai jo k ho reha hai to sub kuch chalny do kiun k baqi kuch stop nai ho reha . Sad 😢
Just Ye daikh lo k award dia kis ne hai
Everything our cinema is now portaying including our drama now are topics that are happening around us that arent right or allowed in islam . As we progress we keep seeing our directors and producer pushing the envolpe slowly but surely. Trying to prove day by day that yes we can produce art and conquer the film industry.
This movie may not be focused on homosexuality but it is including a subject matter that the west are now fully embracing and supporting.
I personally use to watch a person video whose was once a man; who enjoyed doing his makeup(totally harmless )... then little by little
as the years progressed started seeing change his gender and then get married i repeat get married to a women who herself act like a man .
Now they are so woke and no one can say anything to them and they are living their best life and promoting this lifestyle to million and millions or people. And it all started with just a simple hobby.
One little act slowly builts up gradually.
we all know little by little everything takes it effect.
You dont get brainwashed in a day it takes time and effort. You ease in topics.
Our director could have easily omited showing a man fallen in love with a intersex and simple portrayed a story of how intersex lives in our society
and educated the people around us on how we should respect these people as human. A love story was not necessary .
When your view the poster of the movie it is controversial in itself even if the movie isnt about homosexuality the poster of the movie raise so many question and remarks.
This is the description from imbd : As the happily patriarchal Rana family craves for the birth of a baby boy, the youngest of the Rana men secretly joins an erotic dance theatre and finds himself falling for a fiercely ambitious trans starlet. Their impossible love story slowly illuminates the entire Rana family's desire for a sexual rebellion.
Thats the description so why are we debating that what is in this movie or not . This is the basic description you have when you search for Joyland.
I personally have always and always will respect intersex people as they are nothing more than or less than human and they should be treated like human. Loved and get educated so that they can be independent and live. Not be thrown out of their homes to get ruin by our society. but portraying their lives in this manner is absurd.
There are many story telling ways and you can write a story without pushing the boundary.
I personally would have loved watching this movie and explore intersex struggles but the poster left sucha horrible depection in my mind I would much rather stay in my bubble.
As our society is growing the bad deeds are growing and this will keep growing we really need to open our eyes and see where we are growing and what kind of society are we leaving for our generation.
and Jahan tak pakistan ka sawal hai pakistan mein sub kuch hota hai chupa ke and khula khula thats our flawed law system for not fining the people who are doing these deeds.
We already are far from our deen one way or another and we are getting further away from our deen, little by little.
May Allah guide us all and our future generation and help us all in the times are are coming ahead of us. Ameen.
and Hassan you are going there cause it open that door for discussion ... and one day we will Astagfar live in a Pakistan where same gender people will be together and we shall be like humko kia its there deed they are not harming us. Let them be Because we opened this gate this way. Knowledge is huge if its used wisely
@@AmnaSQ so what should gay people do? Lie? And marry the opposite sex? Ye halal hai?
@@saintsam7397 not marry at all.... Marriage is not end all be all.... Zindagi mein aur bhi productive kaam hai marriage ke ilawa ...
Here are some main points which a normal Pakistani feels:
1. Films like these are polarizing society, which will make the livelihood of Khawaja Sara even more difficult... The people like Amina and Sarwat Gillani(and many others) will be the ones to be blamed this time.
2. A common Pakistani person supports Khawaja Sara to live as normally as other genders in society. I don't think an educated normal Pakistani wants to mock them or doesn't want them to live normally... That a reason and because of the effort of educated Pakistani, nor Khawaja Saras are holding reputable positions in Pakistani civil beauracracy
3. Amina, You are intermingling two thing...No body is super seeding their right to life and human right.....people are saying nothing should become a piece of art, which in your eye is a grey area and in our eyes(in our understanding) is totally a concept repugnant to Islam....Nobody is questioning their sexual orientation Amina, this is nonsense. Everyone who is talking about banning Joyland is questioning the idea/ theme behind the movie.... don't try to intermingle these two things... If a movie was made on their right to live, We all are with them and the movie and hopefully every Pakistani would be... But we all are questioning the theme of the movie and not a specific gender or their right. The question is not about what gender they hold. Nobody is saying why you picked a transgender. everyone is questioning the relationship...So don't hide behind the human rights of various gender. This is shameful.....
Furthermore, Do you have a maid/helper in the house? Isn't that against human rights? Do you make sure that your maid/helper sits with you at the same dining table having the same lunch/dinner while they have theirs? Isn't that against your idea of human rights?
This is an utter shame....
Amna you are so right! 🙌🏼
Thank You Amna and Hassan for such an enriching conversation 💜
The project which Iqra refused was Wajahat Rauf's play titled Sanwal Yar Piya that starred Imran Ashraf, Feroze and Iqra
Wow amna So true thanks to explain 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
joyland: you discussed many things but missed main point. is love relationship of a man with khawajasraa is ok? in infidelity a man love a girl which in principal is not a bad thing, problem is he is already married. take it in other way, if in a drama or movie it is shown that a male unmarried is interested in a female unmarried and want to marry, its a normal and ok thing. in another movie a man unmarried is interested in khawajsraa , is it ok? want to marry , is it ok? this was the issue to be discussed. and this is problematic.
Little knowledge is a dangerous thing and unfortunately most of us today have very little knowledge about our religion.
Thank u aamna jee.luv u
This is a thanksgiving weekend so may be if it is an international release it could impact.
Great analysis by Hassan regarding Shaan's comments. Unbiased and responsible journalism. Proud of you 👍
Definitions of Transgender and Intersex:
Transgender is defined as having a gender identity that is different from the sex you were born with.
Intersection means that a person is born with genitals that aren't just male or female.
Hope this clarifies the confusion and helps in using the correct term while discussing the movie.
Maria B is against LBgt n we support her in that...baqi joy land dekhi nahi so don't know about that...film lag jaey n log na dekhny jaein cenima
#joyland If they showed the guy getting a professional help in the end and putting his life together leading a happy life with his family then the movie might be going somewhere with the topic. It is not easy to deal with such complicated plots especially with an impressionable mindset we have here in Pakistan. I was not in favor of the ban of Javed Iqbal because there was nothing wrong in it and was a different watch but this subject is very difficult and if not handled properly it can create a fitna in out society. Also two wrongs doesn’t make one right if there are other ills in our society it doesn’t mean that kia hua agar yeh film ajaye ge. May Allah protect us all from the fitna.
1. We are not speculating anything. They described the character in joyland as a trans person. They could've said that was an intersex person. We as a nation understand English.
2. No one is against the Rights and existence of intersex/trans people. And showing such things in the movie wasn't the issue. The sexual relation is the issue.
3. I understand many other things are wrong. Infidelity, crimes, rapes, murders and what not. But Two wrongs don't make a right.
4. When a person doesn't identify with the gender they are born with it is a psychological condition called gender dysphoria. It is a struggle for the person but it needs to be treated via therapy.
And to answer your question hassan. The difference between being intersex and gender dysphoric is the same as the difference between being born without a limb and psychologically wanting to amputate that ( it is a psychological condition as well I don't remember the name)
5. I agree on providing equal opportunities for all the society including men, women and intersex people. Be it jobs education business healthcare. People are standing against the LGBTQ aspect of the movie (it doesn't have to include one of each lesbians gays bisexuals and transgenders to be called as LGBTQ). No one is saying that stop showing intersex people at all. In fact the movie shows them as stereotypical dancers. They are not even fighting for their rights in the movie.
Everyone here who is confused about the ban on Joyland can have a look at Raja zia videos he clearly explains why its not fine to release the movie.
So much love and respect for You Amna . how you have explained everything and the expression of sorrow and dismay in your voice and eyes brought tears in my eyes. you truly said why we are afraid of ‘heejrey ‘even though Allah has mentioned their gender in the holy Book and we have been asked to look after them . Are we ??? 😢😢
While watching kaisi teri khudgharzi you yourself said that some stories are not meant to be told.... Because your audience isn't educated enough to look at it any differently, from the image you've presented to them
You show them shamsher and mir haadi as a hero they'll conceive them as one (except for those 2 to 6%)
You tell them that its oky to feel yourself as the opposite gender
They will think that its oky because half of them don't have the mental capacity to ask contradictory question ( and I'm not saying this in a condescending tone) or go home and search about the difference btw intersexes, transgender or eunch
There's this thing called responsible storytelling
I'm in favour of Javed Iqbal because atleast they are not presenting him as a troubled hero .... they ARE showing him as a villain, which he was
But a biological male identifying himself as a woman having an affair isn't a hero
Not in islamic or logical light
If they were showing him as a person with gender dysphoria struggling to survive or seek therapy.... i and many other would've been fine with it cause that is what our audience would've conceived it as ... a troubled human with psychological issues (which is oky)
But they don't even want to accept or address the problem ....
I mean we aren't dumb to put 2+2 together on how it won the queer palm award
They surely aren't talking about gender dysphoria or the danger of gender reassignment surgeries
Remember when we on something haute had the conversation about babli badmash from parizaad
I mean we weren't sure of the problem so how do we expect 18 to 22 years old to have the mental capacity to consider it wrong
Q k yaad rahy hamary mulk mai har 18 saala bachy ko chromosomal defects kay bary mai nahi pata
Adhi to wohin larkian hain jinky nazdeek perfect hero shamsher jaisa hota hai.....
Mai khud 18 sal ki hun or mai aj se ek saal pahly ye tak nahi jaanti thi k koi 3rd gender nahi hota transgender k naam sy
Dear Hassan and Amna I would request you to please watch a video to understand the reason of banning Joyland in Pakistan.
Please visit the channel Maulvi with an attitude and search for this topic then decide.
Yes Hassan, there have been numerous cases of gender changes in India and abroad, where a person was born in one gender but they identified more with the opposite gender (mostly happens while they grow up/when they hit puberty) and changed their entire personalities, identities and even surgically changed their gender. Those people also take hormonal pills to block the action of certain hormones which add to their birth identity (as in a male who identifies as a woman taking hormonal pills to block the action of testosterone and so on)
PS. if you search on youtube, you will find TONS of documentaries about people who have undergone gender change.
But there are so many people who changed their gender and then they are regretting their decision
@@Khan10645 yes. True.
People who have transitioned also have much higher rates of attempted/suicide.
@@fkka5296 yes its true but that's a discussion for another day. I was only answering Hassan's question.
I love farhan but sometimes I get a bit angry and sad that just because of dates issues he isn't able to do dramas. That's not a bad thing also he's dates are booked because he is an hardworking person. Although it's a bit sad that he isn't able to do dramas because of dates but I hope whenever he comes back on screen he will come with a bang!
App zaraar ki cast ka interview kio naiii Le rehe
Dear peep, avoid to support Joyland only on the basis of the cannes jury award, it's LGBT movie... It's very sensitive issue
Please tell us the names of the movies you mentioned Amna …Kajol and Huma one
I hope you have watched “where crawdads sing “ on Netflix
Monica oh my darling is a movie which aamna was talking huma qureshi is starring also rajkumar rao is male lead murder mystery movie ...
Kajol's latest would be Tribhanga I guess
Thank you
Hum murder dikhaen dramon my extramarital affair ho ya koe bhi asi chez ho us ka ghalat injam dikhaya jata hy but is film my asa ni dikhaya gya to q promote kr rhy ap log isy
Tich Button was delayed from 28th October to 11th November due to Maula Jatt, since release of Maula Jatt was delayed and they wanted a one-month free run for Maula jatt, which Farhan had mentioned during one of his interviews. However, They had to change the release date from 11th Nov to 25th Nov due to the release of the Black Panther movie "Wakanda Forever" as they were not getting enough shows in foreign cineplexes. To answer your question regarding why they are not delaying the release till December to give Zarrar a solo run is because another humongous movie "Avatar: The Way of Water" is releasing on December 17th. So, if you understand, they won't get any showtime in foreign cineplexes if "Tich Button" is released close to Avatar. Also, before Avatar is released, they need a minimum of 3-4 weeks run to make the movie successful. So, unless they delay it till January next year (Pathaan is releasing Jan 25th), they have to release it with Zarrar on the 25th of November. Yes, they could release it 2-3 days earlier, but that's the most they could do.
The queer theory itself is problematic and is not accepted by many and the film won the queer palm that is enough to ban the film.Either you are really innocent or hypocrite that you are acting like the gora applause is real while its not and west will always appreciate rebellion against eastern morals in the east(insert orientalism here).You donot want to see the big picture bc you are too busy to focus on cinema ki tarraqqi(which is not a bad thing).You can create art and masterpieces without imposing western standards.
Lots of love and respect to you guys. It was much needed Haute bites. Ap ko sunne se pehle main b yehi samaj rahi thi k its about homosexuelity aur usko promote kia gaya hai which is not acceptable. As Aamna you said k homos, zana, sharab yeh sab kabeera gunahon main se hain aur hamare dramas main bilkul b promote nhi hona chahye magar jaise k ham dekhte hain sharab, zana sab promote ho raha hai dramas main aur yeh film jo k I am sure ham main se kisi ne b nhi dekhi hogi sirf dosron ki baaten sun k faisla kr lia k isko ban krna chhaye. Thank you so much both of you. We will definitely watch the movie.
It doesn’t matter if what Shaan said was right or wrong, what matters is that it was not Shaans place to pass a comment like this on the first place. Taking a dig on another actor while promoting your own craft leaves bad taste tbh. Moreover one doesnt even need to see the interview to understand it was a dig. Everyone agrees that this LNJ and PNJ genre has become too much however when he replaced the movies names as ‘idhar nehi udhar nehi’ that left a bitter tone imo, it couldve been said in a more proper manner by specifying the genre if he actually meant well. Humayun’s reply on the other hand was super graceful as always.
Also got so excited when you broke the news of Farhan and Iqra being casted again. It took me back to 2018 where we used to absolutely adore Jiya and Arsal of suno chanda over ramadan and hoped for a reunion when it ended. The later news was heartbreaking haha but nonetheless fresh pair lets see how that goes. Hope farhan and iqra reunion happens soon though! It was just something else! ❤️
Our industry isn't exploring much genres and that's right. But Shaan taking a dig at Humayun and naming his films in such a bad way is disgraceful. If he had to say that we should stop with romcoms, then he could've named other films along w the HS ones. I thought he let go of his beef w Humayun a long time ago, but he didn't. He's still salty. Shaan has ruled Lollywood back then, now it's Humayun. Dil bara hona chahiye, I guess :)
I was also happy to see farhan and iqra working together but farhan's dates couldn't match so hope to see them together again
Aamna Hassan Pakistan received billions of dollars to promote LGBTQ and make videos and movies on this topic.. and please look who are the sponsors for this movie
It's not the first time it's very irritating when hassan cut Aamna and mostly Amna forget what she was saying
Please hassan if Aamna start speaking don't stop her ,you are all over .
I'd like to see Kiran Malik and Shaan Shahid on SH - I'd love to hear Shaan's take and thought process behind the things he says. He is a very good actor though!
Joyland wss acknowledged in the lgbtq category, enough reason to boycott it
Behan LGBTQ May T be hy.
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That T is part of the problem. You are confusing transgenders with intersex people.
The argument that we're already doing XYZ haram things then why try to stop ABC haram thing is so ridiculous. It is like saying that you've already told a lie many times that is haram then why don't you do premarital sex as well.. and if you're doing it then why don't you commit murder too as all of them are haram. If, unfortunately, certain haram actions have been normalized in our society then the argument should be about stopping them instead of giving their example to endorse more haram actions.
I differ from Aamna Isani in one point. Whenever extramarital affairs are shown in dramas or movies, usually they are shown in negative shades i.e. these things are not being glorified or encouraged to be accepted as normal. On the other hand, trans people (not intersex people as they are born this way, hence I respect them as human beings), it is just their feeling that they don't fit into the gender role they are born with, hence they either go through surgery to change their gender or dress like the opposite gender; I have problem with this and it's strictly prohibited in Islam also. So, when you portray the trans movement in a positive light (i.e. their propensity to behave like a trans), then that simply means you are agreeing to this kind of behavior (I repeat I am excluding intersex people from here); hence you are going against your lord's commandments.
Also, you cannot assign the same weight to each sin. Of course, Zina is one of the highest forms of sin and is strictly prohibited, yet we don't have any precedence in history for a full nation being destroyed by God for committing Zina, whereas, we have a precedence of a full nation being destroyed by God a few thousand years ago for being homosexual (Referring to the people of Lut (AS)).
Having said all of this, Islam does not allow us to misbehave with any person unless that person is harming you. Hence, if we ever come across trans people, we should treat them as humans and behave as nicely as possible. Yes, we can choose not to actively mingle with them on a personal ground, but we must not mistreat them and live peacefully as a society. Islam teaches us peace, so we should choose the peaceful way instead of violence.
Peace.
It is so sad how people are questioning the existance of khawajasaras who are born this way by the creator just because they are confusing them with gay, lesbians and bisexual people.
Amna, I really admire how you discussed and talked about Joyland. More power to you! We can really learn from these conversations about acceptance and dignity for everyone.
Agree with you 😊
@Urdu Mom, Keeping in mind the difference between intersex(khwaja sara) and transgender, please let me know your definition of acceptance.
I think all the educated members of pakistani society are compassionate towards intersex ie the khwaja sara.
Yes, there are people who ridicule or look down upon kwaja sara( intersex) but they are the people who have no respect for anyone be it khwaja sara, women, children, ghareeb tabqa, etc.
Now coming to transgenders, i.e a man who decides to change their gender to women by surgeries, hormones, and whatnot. I am genuinely curious to know if you'd accept your son's decision to be a trans woman? Cos I have three kids and I dont think I will ever 'accept' it. Will you accept your daughter's decision to marry a transman? Its easy to accept when its other people, but what is the level of acceptance when its about our own sons and daughters?
Really agreed with the thoughts of u both on joyland part. And in Punjab it's ban 😐. No screening of joyland
Yaar I don’t understand Pakistani ppl 😂 triggered over a movie when Bacha baazi a self grooming for young boys and than having thr auctions is been going on for years in balochistanan/Peshawar 😂 like they wlll get triggered over cenima and media than the reality which is actually happening for years a big auction of young boys but no body talk abt that bhai wah 👌🏻👌🏻 like how come thr r never hashtags for ban bacha baazi or y these ppl never scream abt that , u can’t pick and chose wrong if it doesn’t fit your narrative it doesn’t matter just wow 😂😂
Love you both.
9:03 no that was another project with imran ashraf called sanwal yaar piya also by hashim nadeem but it was directed and produced by wajahat rauf under his banner showcase production not by 7th sky
Intersex: there is a syndrom called klinefelter syndrome (XXY) where a male is born with an extra X chromosome which gives them features of women and men.
Transgender: Where a person doesn't feel like the gender that is assigned by God and might feel attracted towards the same gender individual. There is a huge debate around this topic these days because in west there are numerous cases which are uprising now of people who have tried to change the gender going through numerous health risks. It is said that the doctors who convince the teenagers to change their gender when are in confusional state is wrong since it's a natural phenomenon while kids are growing up and those children/teenagers are given hormonal suppressants which impacts mental and sometimes physical growth and also the natural process of hormones. On the other hand there are also people who don't take any suppressants but they grow up to feel misfit in the body assigned naturally as well. The islamic perspective is that if you are naturally feeling attracted towards same gender or you feel internally like a woman/man but you are not one you can not act on your feelings, it is to say you can not have a homosexual relationship or are not allowed to change your gender as you want.
Amna you are 100% right ye munafaqat say Bharay howay loug hai jo
inside sab karaty hai per boltay kuch or he hai Beshak Allah sab janta hai 😔ye bhool jatay hai #releasejoyland
Two wrongs don't make a right. Why is it so difficult to understand?
Aamna ji two wrongs don’t make one right be it infedility,child abuse or homosexuality as a sin in Islam.
Such a shame Farhans dates were the issue. Was looking forward to Farhan and Iqra reunion on screen.
Hasan, you are absolutely correct, please listen to the clip by Shan. I found it on Instagram. The tone is not that condescending. His response was to an answer and it didn't come out that well.
Ok about joyland, they keep on saying that how is it going to promote transgender, so then why, when you watch dramas like kesi teri khudgharzi, and you both keep on saying in the review that this drama is promoting a toxic person as a hero... so hassan and amna, just stop reviewing the dramas, and let the media show whatever they want to show by saying that they are just showing not promoting!!!!!🤨
What double standards you media people have yaaarr seriously!!!!
I watched the film in Sydney. It is a truthful and authentic representation of OUR society. Chill karo yar. Nai dekhni, mat dekho. Darr kis baat ka hai.
Pakistani awaam saas bahu sazish or love affairs movies/dramas hi deserve karti he
Aamna I saw you in Pyari Mona teaser 🤗
I saw her too
N waiting fir drama just for amna.
Otherwise i am. Not interested in sanam jung's drama
I think you forgot HS’s scene in The Crown.
Aamna just because you support the film I mean what kind of justification are you giving, comparing one sin to another !! There are levels of sin and I think you do know that. Where you said it should have been released and ban culture shouldn’t be promoted I do agree with that, but for god’s sake do not compare homosexuality sin with another sin. Please
Joy land has been passed with several cuts to be screened on 18 th November in cinemas .
I saw shan’s clips regarding edhar jaonga. Idk what was the question but He said so many things before edhar nahi jaonga. He said there are so many categories to make films. We still have horror sci fi thriller suspense and so on but we should come out from these dramatic movies edhar nahi jaonga or udhar nahi jaonga.
Isn't Malala Yousufzai the executive producer of Joyland movie?
Amna your argument about other things happening is so isn’t but no one talks about them (like infidelity, drinking, zina etc etc) is exactly the reason why this film SHOULD BE banned. You have already normalized a hell lot of burayan in your society (you have mentioned some critical ones in your argument) and now you are ready to make another one extremely normal by saying you should have choice to either to watch or skip the movie. There was a time where kissing was no where in the films and and bow its normal to an extent where people watch them as if nothing is happening on the screen. Why do we want to get into the unforgivable sins by normalising them under the umbrella of sympathy and human rights and all.. at the end of the day we are muslims!!!