I have converted almost entirely to sub 250 quads. I own around 20 or so! I love them and have quite a few 5" that are gathering dust on the shelf. There is nothing wrong with the big quads other than the Government and FAA requirements and soon to be required additions in order to fly. I have these little suckers from 1S to 6S. Some are very fast and maneuverable!
Man I am so jealous lol I am all about sub250 and being fairly new to the hobby I love the sound and the way bigger quads handle but with the regulations it's just not what I want including all the "KARENS" that wanna call the cops as soon as they see you take to the air lol so sub 250 is my fav sounds like you have my dream collection lol stay safe and keep rippin👍🏽✌🏽
Got mine flying both the TKS 75 and 78 (1s and 2s) absolutely love them! They fly so well and the 2s has so much power! Love it! Thanks for the great recommendation and review! Thanks to Kevin for the amazing design, and to Jack for the great service as well!
I love the Phantom. I have the analog version, and it's been rock solid except for the VTX's. I went through 2 GepRC units before replacing it with a iflight suceex micro. No trouble since. Thanks Nick!
I've tested my friend's phantom a few months ago. For freestyling or flying like it was stolen, go for it. Simple but effective and sturdy frame and setup. Nice frame for scratch build by the way. It's on my wishlist too.
I have build the TKS rocket last week with uz85 flysky internals because flysky has better range flashed emu flight on it with your cli dump and it flies absolutely awesome! Thanks Nick!
I have won the tks rocket race from infinity loops - and before i could not imagine, what power and agility 2 inch quads can achieve. Maybe the manufacturers don’t know either. It is my favorite quad from the first flight and perfect for a little bigger garden. So i am up for more 2 inch madness!
As always - great video Nick. Im in the 3" and under prop group. I really enjoy the 31mm to 3" quads. I'm getting ready to start some 2 or 2.5 inch open prop builds. 👍 ✌️
The TKS Rocket Race quad with the jacks3dprinting frame is a really cool micro quad especially for analog micro fliers, super fast and punchy for the size given that it runs on 2s! The phantom is an awesome quad too especially for digital fpv pilots, very nice model! Definitely an awesome selection of favorites that you picked out, thanks for sharing Nick!
I built a tks rocket race with the uz85 based off your overwhelming love for the thing! Its far too much for me to handle indoors and Ive just been afraid to fly it outdoors until the snow melts. Cant wait for spring!
Phantom was my first quad and it has been amazing for me. Nice weather last few days so it has seen a number of packs this week. I use a 2s 450 and a 3s 450. the 3s is way more power than I ever need. Fun times. Wahoo!
I've got the th2 freestyle. Its a super fun and durable quad. I also have the crux35 elrs with the 3.5" props. Its bottom mount battery takes some getting used to but its also a crazy fun quad.
Hi Nick, I'm loving my 2inch using AlfaRC Cub AIO frame. it's thick and sturdy. I put 2S and my spare 8000kv 1202motors. I even put 600mw vtx and it's amazing.
I can’t wait for the 3 inch video! I just built a rocket race based your high praise and oh man is it a blast! It’s my first non tiny whoop quad. I want to get into dji as well so I’m thinking the Phamtom or something 3 inch
I built a Rocket Race based on your recommendation - I was too impatient to wait for the uz85 parts but I was able to find some 9000Kv happymodel motors and used an old GEP-12A-F4 AIO board that I had lying around. This thing is a monster. It is by far my favorite quad to fly right now. I need to order a couple of extra frames & motors in case I break them b/c I'd be heartbroken if this thing were unflyable for any extended period of time haha
Great series! I recently built a cruxula, combining by two favorite small 2S quads. Took the crux3 camera, canopy and FC, added ELRS EP2 and put it on a sailfly-x frame using the motors from my mobula7 with 2.5" bi-blade props. I really, really like it as a yard flier. Makes the yard seem a little bigger than when using a crux3 and still performs well. It does have your hated 1mm motor shafts though Nick. And I prefer a bottom mounted battery on quads 3.5" and below because I think the "throw" weight from the battery location makes them handle a bit more like a full sized quad, at least to me.
Geprc Phantom HD I had horrible issues with mid throttle vibrations. Props swapped helped a little but the frame and arms just had too many vibes. I snagged a tinyhawk2 freestyle knock off frame and put all the parts on that frame and it is amazing now! Ficioc i think was the frame name...
I got a phantom. It's one of my favorite quads I did brake the fram. That was a hard crash on concrete and actually still works great just zip tide it together. Gonna put it on a armattan tadpole frame
I have a Geprc Phantom (analogue) and honestly I have 0 complaints I did burn a motor, but only when me and my friend tried putting a GoPro on it... In its defence, it actually handled pretty well! Anyway, the Geprc Phantom I can confidently say is a bloody good quad, and that's basically all I've heard from others as well. If I had to nitpick...the VTX could be a little more powerful? Idk It's a great quad
One more, remember I put those beta 1103 11,000 KV on my tiny hawk race frame? Lol I slung a motor off The way I had them mounted lol was lucky enough to find it those motors are so tough the wires did not rip loose from the motor… so after that I drilled out the holes and secured them completely to the frame.. set my TPA to 70 and 1170 dropped my PIDs down added 15% expo And tons of feed forward so now it’s very agile very responsive and smooth at the same time using the same avan blur props Without the screws and throttle percentage is still at 100 and not much voltage sag surprisingly… I haven’t forgot to show you the footage in your jaw is going to drop…I’m now can run my 350 2S hv, 450 2SHV, As well as 550 and 450 1S hv batteries
I've got a kabob spec-built 65mm (2.5") toothpick from his early development days just before the TP3 came out and that thing flies fantastic. I switched to DJI on most of my quads about the same time as that build was finished so it's been sitting on the shelf ever since. I plan to digi-fi the TP3 that I have at some point but IDK if doing the same with the 2.5" is worth the trouble considering the effect the added weight from a naked vista will have on the much smaller disc area of a 2.5". Might be worth a go though.
Side Note: The Avan 2" 4-bladed props are fantastic. I use them on my shutterbug 85 whoop and have also tried them on the original kabob 1S toothpick and they have a ton of grip and control. Highly recommended.
I’m in the same boat . 2inch 2s is where is at ! I run my on betafpv 1103 11k kv good motors Also Jack3d they are awesome company fast and good quality carbon still have not broke a frame from them
Phantom Frames are great! running TBS Fusion/XFire combo with an AiO A30 FC with some sweet motors. Flying it with 2S Battery!! Phantom is still a sweet 2 inch drone.
There is 2 micros I have been flying recently that I have completly fallen in love with. The NBD Mosquito and the NBD Mosquito XL. The Mosquito is made for 40mm props but will fit a 2" (50mm) prop no problem. And the Mosquito XL is made for 65mm props (2.5"). The frames are very thick carbon so I believe they will never break, and they have ok motor protection at the ends of the arms. The thing is they are both made for 3 screw motors, baisicly 1s whoop motors. I run my XL with 1102 18000kv betafpv motors on 1s and it really has a good amount of power and punch. On my standard Mosquito I've run both the 1102 18000kv and 0802 25,000kv motors, and I like the 25,000kv motors for the props that I run. I run the HQ 50mm 2" props, and gemfan just came out with some 2015 2" props that I will be testing soon. Both quads I'm using the happymodel ELRS aio boards so the range is baisicly unlimited. Runcam nano cams, 1s 450mah and 525mah. Keep the weight as light as possible and they fly amazing. ✌️✌️
I built a few of the Mosquito and my latest one with 0802 18000kv, basically from my built gnarlyfpv Zero and I wanted to try it on the new Gemfan 2015 bi blade and I must say it's got the same throttle respond as when it was on 40mm props on the same 1s 300mah lipo. My other 2" is the gnarlyfpv Meemo with Zero canopy, 1102 18000kv.
I’ve had the analog for several months and fly it with a 3S 450mah bat. It is still not a rocket, but still amazed how well balanced and smooth it fly’s! Great review BTW!
@@ElmoSaid_what yes, it can. just trying to verify which one as the phantom HD comes with screw on triblades and some leave off the HD in their comment :)
Hi Nick, I have the analog phantom and have had trouble with blowing motors (3s 650 battery) - 2 motors total happened on two occasions - I fly with 3 blade props though (HQT2.5V2s on analog) - I have put a throttle limit on at 85% and use 3s 450 battries on this one now - all fine. I also have an HD version with 1106 motors (from an old betafpv95xv3) flies great and I have just recieved t motor 1404 4510kv motors for the next Phantom HD build (or smart 25 as I think they are called now) I have 2X more frames on the way- I like these quads!!. The phantom in both versions is amazing and sooo quiet - I have tested various props with a db meter and I think the 3 bladed (Gemfan D63 2.5) are quieter than the standard 2 blades. Oh and I fly the HD on 4s GNB 450mahHV and get over 5 minutes per battery.
Good video ! Fully agree regarding the Phantom! Awesome machines! Like you I have two, one naked and one regular HD. Flies very nicely on 3s also and flight times are always great . Everybody should have at least one in their collection ;-)
Hey Nick, I'd like to see more 2 to 2.5" quads as well. I wanted one that was more durable than the Tinyhawk 2 Freestyle and could carry an HDZero. I built one using the AlfaRC Fi-115 frame, Toka 1204 5000kv motors, JHEMCU F4 aio and the HDZero whoop vtx. Flies better than the Tinyhawk 2 FS with the HD goodness.
Exactly, 2.5 inches is also my favorite size. 2.5 inch 1-3S for optimal efficiency and maneuverability. 40mm-2 inches is too little efficiency, and 3-3.5 inches is too big and fast for places I usually fly, such as small parks and squares.
@@derrpantograf670 exactly! Are you in HD? I want a better 2.5” hd setup even split cam is fine with me but i haven’t had good luck with the extra weight... Tried naked caddx, caddx loris, runcam hd... Maybe i need to just get an instago2 🤔
@@Shauny_D I'm currently experimenting with a 1206 build using 2.5" props and have found that it carries the extra weight of a full size Caddx Turtle HD camera really well.
I was all set to get the digital GepRC Cinelog25, but the $350-ish price had me stalled! I found my second choice, the digital BetaFPV 95X V3 on sale for only $175 shipped from a USA dealer, so I couldn't resist that HALF PRICE of the GepRC quad deal. It came with the Nebula Nano V2 camera and Nick, you're correct, people shouldn't be afraid of that camera as it's been fixed to get rid of about 90% of the V1's issues. It's so much better than analog, well, why am I even saying that, anything digital is far, FAR superior... Here's the key to that purchase: Chris Rosser has a full video on tuning the 95X V3, and boy ole boy does he do a great job of tuning that quad! It came with what appeared to be a stock tune of Betaflight, which wasn't making it fly very good at all. Switched to that Rosser tune and Damn!! if it doesn't fly PER-FECT! I had it flying up about 20 feet into a thick grove of oak trees, flying right through the scraggle and ghost branches of the tree canopy! Weaving back and forth through the tiny holes... Through barely a 1' x 1' tiny holes, through all sorts of ghost branches that were very clearly visible with the AWESOME image clarity that DJI's digital system gives us! Such a breakthrough in FPV ability, as I would never even think of flying through a tree's canopy of tiny branches with analog. Well, quite frankly, analog can't even attempt flying like that. Hard to fly my analog quads now! I still like them, but not the image quality they give. Anyway, if you can pick up a 95X V3 for a great deal, go to Chris Rosser's channel and get his amazing tune and enjoy how it's supposed to fly!!! =(:^)-
I agree 100% Nick, My favorite class by far. I have been waiting all year for new elrs 2 inch Qwads, I blade covid shut downs. seems to have slowed the industry down, maybe by Q3 things will look better. Great video. Thanks.
I was also flying the original Kabob toothpick, 65mm props on 2s and 1103 10,000kv motors. That was also one of the best flying quads I've ever had. I just need some more motors for it.
I have the cinelog 25 and I quickly outgrew it and wanted to swap it for a lighter micro frame. I'll be building an HD tpc with its components most likely
I’ve had a phantom since it came out. I’ve put a ton of batteries through it. I had a bad crash which broke the frame and motor. It sat broken for more than a year but finally got everything switched over to new frame but have yet to solder new motor on. I think it’s a great quad
@@NickBurnsFPV My crash was at high speed into some hard ground. What’s weird it cracked in the center under where the board sits at the brace. I was able to super glue it and I’m keeping it for a spare.
i did build the phantom and rebuild it after crashing, tried many combo of fc and after i got dji i build the hd version and killed two original FC's. 21/2 is my favorite and i recommend for HD pilots the alpha rc frame fifly 115 no probs in view 2-4 s great around the house ripper.
I have an original phantom, I broke an arm from an rxloss back when I was using FrSky "so glad we have Elrs now" and after I replaced the frame I flew it for a while longer untill the motor bells started slipping on the shaft and that happened on two motors. I stopped flying that one and haven't bought any new motors to put on it, 1103 8000kv seems hard to find and I don't buy from China. I'll keep looking for motors and eventually get it back in the air. I have very fond memories of that Phantom.
If we're talking 2.5" I've managed to keep my old Larva X running all this time and it's still one of my favorite to fly. Long cruising flight times on 2s or what still feels like impressive performance on 3s.
Hey Nick, Where did you get the camera mount for that Rocket Race 2s? That doesn't even look like a print, it's so clean. Also the vertical color breaks are tricky to do with a print like that. Is that an injection molded mount? Thank you!
Have you completed or considering an ELRS receiver addition to one of your Rocket Race 2s builds? I just ordered the frame and UZ85 kit (sans receiver) because I have a couple of JHEMCU SP24S ELRS receivers with ceramic antenna laying around. Any placement advice of the receiver you can offer is great. Have had mixed results retrofitting the same receiver into open space in the canopy behind the camera on another build which was the emax nanohawk x (I think I may be reducing VTX range).
I have one with an ep2 type rx in it. I find if we use the beebrain or similar canopy we have more room to mount an rx provided we aren't adding a vtx as well.
I've built a Phantom HD with 1404 motors. I used these motors because I couldn't find any replacement 1303 sized ones at the time to purchase when I crashed them, and with these motors it flies even better. I'm getting about 4 min flights with 550mah 3S, and I use a full size Nebula Pro with it. It weighs about 108g, and I think I can get it down to close to 70g with a few changes. There are some videos of it on my channel and there's a rotorbuilds page of it if anyone's interested.
To my knowledge and little experience there doesn't seem to be much risk, many many I have heard from are running naked. the upside is increased agility/quick response, longer flights due to less weight. the downside is the manual cleaning, less weight for "throw" moves and shorter flights.
the phantom with 65mm push on props? Those are wildly different sized quads. The crux35 is far faster and more aggressive performer with its larger props and running a 4s battery. With that most would need a larger space to have fun with it. Where the phantom is a smaller propped quad and thus doesn't have the same aggressiveness or performance.
I’ve a spare naked vista sitting on my table and can’t decide what to build with it. Phantom hd or perhaps a 3inch digitooth based on the baby tooth? Good question. Any recommendations? I also own a Babyhawk 2 hd, TH2 Freestyle and tiny trainer In that category.
I have a recommendation for your next naked vista build: Twig XL frame Hglrc petrel 120x HD canopy or betafpv x knight canopy Hglrc 1804 3500kv motors HQ T75MMx5 props Its amazing and outperforms the babyhawk 2 HD. I love my babyhawk, buts its dethroned by this build.
@@chrisbee5481 that's tempting, thanks for you recommendation. I've also looked at the twig frame but never thought about using 5-blade props on non cinewhoops :-) I just can't decide weither I should go lighter to have something HD for the garden bashing time or something to dethrone my babyhawk.
@@chrisbee5481 right. quadmovr is using them on his speed builds but isn't he using them on a 4inch frame? (movr_4_tpr1) Anyway. That's an awesome build as always from quadmovr and the sound ... It's just not for your casual garden ripping :-P but it has something special. But is it the real use case for a naked vista?
@@Wollari Google movr4tpr1 fm2004 T75MMx5 Its his favourite build by the way. Yes, he also used the props on his latest rocket Video. On the twig xl frame you can use 3.5 props inch too. I've even fitted 4 inch props on it. So youre not Stuck with one prop choice. Its worth a build. Man does he rip that thing 💪
The largest quad I own is a diatone f35, and still haven't flown it. I just recently got a iflight a75 hd and it has quickly become my favorite outdoor quad and for indoors is an old brushed newbeedrone 65mm hummingbird v1, I can whip that around the house so fast and so hard I don't need more out of it. I just killed the original motors and since replacing with some new lower 15k kv the performance is still amazing but with 5min flight times on a 300mah. I like the fly at home and the smaller stuff let's me do that.
Is BetaFPV still making their version of the 2s 85mm Shutterbug power whoop? I'm surprised something like that didn't make the cut. For 2" props with ducts running on 2s that's still a hard formula to beat.
for me is to much inside, and not enough outside. Those with prop protection in this category are indoor friendly, and like the 85mm whoop not enough outside....for me.
I’ve been struggling with my TKS 75 build. The clearance on the 2in props is tight and I often find fresh props won’t clear the racer twig canopy I’m trying to use. I tried the crux canopy but can’t seem to squeeze the vtx and rx cleanly with the baby ratel 2 nano.
Do you have the 2s rocket race or the 1s? The 2s is slightly bigger at 78mm, those mm make a difference in prop clearance. I can't say if that canopy will work or if it would need to be raised or shaved down to allow clean prop clearance.
Hi I have a problem with my betafpv meteor 75 frsky. I crashed it in snow and when I rearmed it it did not flew. In the goggles it was showing: nogyro so I turned it off an waited. After that the nogyro disappeared and now the drone won’t arm what should I do?
with the crash in snow and the symptom I suspect the flight controller is damaged and needs replaced. Unfortunately the snow likely cause a short and a component on the flight controller to burn.
Not gonna lie, I would kind of love to see you try, build and fly a modern 5 inch (maybe in your long range spot for extra safety). It would be especially interesting because you've been a micro only guy. I wonder how the 2 inch category performs in windy condition, the climate here it's usually at least somewhat windy which is why I've been hesitant to go under 3 inches with dji, not naked. Do you feel its worth going naked on a 3 inch 170g quad (without battery)?
We get a fair bit of wind here as well. I find once the wind gets over 15mph I need to move above 2inch 2s quads to fly with comfort and not have to fight the wind, but under 15mph I find 2inch 2s to do very well.
Geprc Phantom, This is by far my favorite back yard drone. However, it is not a GepRC Phantom, out of the box i hooked it up to betaflight attached a XM+. i changed nothing. it would not fly, i checked props, motor direction, board orientation, nothing. so i got bad luck got bad part. All good, i probably should have contacted RDQ but, i went a different route, and got a Goku mini stack, put in and its AMAZING. I mainly run it on RDQ 2s 450mah. with Gemfan 2540-3. this thing ZOOOMS.
Interesting for dual camera cinewhooping, pretty much the only one in its size for dual cameras. Cinewhooping isn’t really something I do more than rarely
It’s fascinating to hear that 44k subs isn’t enough to generate enough influence with manufacturers to bring 2” bnf to market. On the other hand Roogi brings a 1202.5 to market (also about 40k subs) and 1202.5s multiply like rabbits.
I'm about to build one with the UZ85 and the Twiglet mini frame as I could'nt get that frame here in Portugal. It's lighter than the rocket. I won't have fingers for it
Hi mr. Nick, i have a question. One of my relatives likes to fly microquads. His *cnhl 450mah 1s hv* batteries always lose capacity in as short as 2 weeks. Flight time drops from 4 to 1 minutes. He pays extra attention to keep them at storage. What would be some advices you could give to keep them from dying ? Thanks in advance.
When they fly them what is the voltage when they end the flight. If much below 3.5v then that is likely the issue. Also what connector are they using? PH2.0 rolled pin, or solid pin?
when i was new to fpv sometimes i held 100% throttle longer than i should and the batteries got hot and puffed and lost its capacity. now if i found myself holding high throttle a lot i know it's time for me to get more powerful or larger quad.
@@yatzeegamingop yea, going super hard on the throttle can super drain a battery, the battery does recover, but time and time again draining the battery down or close to 3v doesn't do the battery any good.
@@NickBurnsFPV but it would be awesome content! Just to see how things have changed or haven't changed. I just went back and watched your videos of them and the leader 120. And it's crazy how much power those little quads had back then.
I had the Phantom HD, maybe I was just a little bit unlucky with my crashes (or too unskilled, lol) and I broke two frames, both happened with the arm (which is being part of the whole bottom plate). As you can't get only that part of the frame (at least at the time) I ended up picking a cheap Flight Alpha frame which seemed to be sturdier and moved all the electronics and motor there (recently upgrading to the nebula nano pro). It still flies well and I'm happy with it (still haven't broke the frame, at least 😄)
It could be a weak spot, not every frame can handle all sorts of different crashes. We often try to find the ones that can take a certain amount/type of crashes.
The cinelog 25 is really nice but the prop protectors are very fragile, almost every crash means to replace one. The geprc phantom hd has a design flaw... The top mounted vista can touch the bottom mounted FC if you crash it badly and the MOSFETs will fry....
@@kheshavdheereess5243 oh sorry I didn't understand. The are a nice goggle and have the best dvr in fpv. The cost is a big barrier, and it doesn't come with a receiver. For the money I think the skyzone o4x are a better value with equal the quality. The 04x doesn't have the overall potential the Orca goggle do though, we shall see what that brings. So far that potential hasn't brought much.
I think the main reason we don't see more 2" builds is because essentially the same parts can be used to build a 3" toothpick with arguably dramatically better performance. I spent 6 months with a friend designing our idea of a perfect 2" quad after Gemfan released their 51mm bi-blades. only to conclude that if we just stretched the frame a little, we could fit 65mm on the same hardware and have a much better quad. And if we had bought lower KV motors, we could have used 3" on the same hardware. I suspect 2" will become more popular once a 1s HDzero board is available, and/or if there are more motors released in sizes between the 0802 and the 1102
Hey nick Darwin is coming out with a 2.5 "tiny hawk 2 freestyle" type frame quad " baby ape freestyle" with elrs... Hope you get to review it since the baby ape 3 is a must buy👍🏽✌🏽
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@@scu-dub This is a scam, the message wasn't from me, only some spammer using the channel icon. I have banned them, but I am sure they will be back. Note how my name appears rather than the scammer name. They can't replicate the channel name.
They're discontinued, but my nominee for King of the 2S, 2" class is the LDARC ET100. It's crap as it comes from the factory, but a few mods to the hoops, a home-rolled camera mount, an XT30 connector, and BetaFlight 4.2.9 with JMaverick ESC firmware, and it's a beast. Video is potato quality, tho'.
I have built at least 10 2” quads and end up not liking them because they are just to heavy with the size lipo that you have to run so it doesn’t have bad voltage sage. Even with the newer lighter stuff 2” in my eyes just doesn’t work well. We really need a 2 1/4 prop and that would probably help a ton.
@@Acestrex Is that the old Meemo? The new one, I think is thinner? And the frame design is different, now you can secure your fc on each corner, not like the old one only 2 screws (front/back) and the canopy is a 1 piece now. I didn't use the Primo canopy instead I used the Zero canopy.
My 2" is a 1s, frame by gnarlyfpv (Meemo), betafpv 1102 18000kv, HM diamond aio board (waiting for elrs version, if they ever make one) but for now piggybacked ep2 elrs, flywoo brand camera (caddx), d514blades cut into bi-blade, GNB 1s 660mah. Really so much fun flying micros. As for bind and fly 2" it is just not much interest as of now (I guess). Seems like when it comes to micros, they either pick whoops or go 3"TP.
@@NickBurnsFPV I'm also a micro fan, I got rid all of my larger rigs 5" below and focus only with micro 2" and whoops but I don't go crazy either by having a lot of collection, I build and sell for the fun of the hobby. Hopefully company will consider looking into 2"er ductless. That UZ80 didn't get good hit maybe that's what drive them to not look furthermore? Again, I have similar 40mm ductless by gnarlyfpv (ZERO) and it is a lot of fun as well, very noticeable over a 75whoop on term of how this micro flies.
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Its essentially the same as flashing betaflight, we select the target for our flight controller and flash it. Is there something I am missing? Maybe that we need to download the emuflight configurator?
Love this size format, I run the UZ85 parts on a LarvaX frame and it really goes well. Still fly LarvaX stock today and think it's just a great quad for the $, just switch to props out and it flys great. Really wish it was easier to get the TKS stuff here. I have the 3D printed version of the 75mm version of TKS. But honestly prefer the UZ80 carbon frame that is easy and cheap to get. I love to build it using 25000KV on 380mah 1S packs GNB27 with the Ant lite (4:3) and crazybeeX with rxsr.
It didn't make my list, I only had the analog and in 2inch category I prefer others. For me in 2inch with prop protection is primarily for inside flight. Maybe not for all but for me.
Interesting I had a C85HD and I actually swapped it over to a CineRace20 frame and motors. The C85 didn't fly nearly as well as my cinerace20, might have been just bad luck. I'm enjoying the cinerace20 much more than the C85 that I now have the BnF one and the one I swapped.
@@NickBurnsFPV Yeah both of them were. The BnF was a DJI with polar nano. The C85 was a DJI unit also before I switched it over to the cineRace20 frames and motors. Now those cinerace20s with that weight is not going to do the crazy stuff you do with whoops, but it's fairly good as a setup for doing some nice cinematic flying with an insta360 go2 or my iflight goCam 4K (the smo4K clone) on it and getting like 6-8 minutes with an 850 4s.
I have 2 TKS frame and 2 Phamtom Frame that i bought last year after participing in IGOW3. I follow your video and made the transition my MOBULA6 HD to MOBULA 7 V3 Frame (lot of fun), I build a 85 mm IFLIGHT WHOOP DIY with the FLYWOO GOKU F4 13amp with Runcam nano split 3, my great build ever. I would like to get deeper in the hobby but my enviroment don't like to much drone, and the regulation FAA Part 107 and so. Nick I think I gonna fly In Tinywhoop Go simulator with my jumper T-PRO (I prefer the Zorro) and indoor with 65mm and 75mm. maybe make a give away of all the boxes sub 250 that I have. i think in my case 65mm and 75mm is the best way to have fun in peace...
I have converted almost entirely to sub 250 quads. I own around 20 or so! I love them and have quite a few 5" that are gathering dust on the shelf. There is nothing wrong with the big quads other than the Government and FAA requirements and soon to be required additions in order to fly. I have these little suckers from 1S to 6S. Some are very fast and maneuverable!
Man I am so jealous lol I am all about sub250 and being fairly new to the hobby I love the sound and the way bigger quads handle but with the regulations it's just not what I want including all the "KARENS" that wanna call the cops as soon as they see you take to the air lol so sub 250 is my fav sounds like you have my dream collection lol stay safe and keep rippin👍🏽✌🏽
My tinyhawk freestyle is still one of my favorites to fly around the yard..
@@scu-dub Heads up, don't let the Karens win :) I'm also for sub250. The 3inch toothpick being my favourite.
Got mine flying both the TKS 75 and 78 (1s and 2s) absolutely love them! They fly so well and the 2s has so much power! Love it! Thanks for the great recommendation and review! Thanks to Kevin for the amazing design, and to Jack for the great service as well!
I love the Phantom. I have the analog version, and it's been rock solid except for the VTX's. I went through 2 GepRC units before replacing it with a iflight suceex micro. No trouble since.
Thanks Nick!
does that just plug right into there port?
I've tested my friend's phantom a few months ago. For freestyling or flying like it was stolen, go for it. Simple but effective and sturdy frame and setup. Nice frame for scratch build by the way. It's on my wishlist too.
I have build the TKS rocket last week with uz85 flysky internals because flysky has better range flashed emu flight on it with your cli dump and it flies absolutely awesome! Thanks Nick!
The GepRC Phantom was my first BNF and I still love it! I've only changed the camera (analog version) 'cause the EOS was pretty bad for me.
Yes, that camera was terrible.
Yes, that camera was terrible.
@@jhughes2286 You can say that again, actually it's so terrible I don't fly mine much anymore can't see a bloody thing with it.
I have won the tks rocket race from infinity loops - and before i could not imagine, what power and agility 2 inch quads can achieve. Maybe the manufacturers don’t know either. It is my favorite quad from the first flight and perfect for a little bigger garden. So i am up for more 2 inch madness!
I build one last week put Nick's tune on it and it's really awesome!!! Fast and nimble. I really like it!
As always - great video Nick.
Im in the 3" and under prop group. I really enjoy the 31mm to 3" quads. I'm getting ready to start some 2 or 2.5 inch open prop builds. 👍 ✌️
The TKS Rocket Race quad with the jacks3dprinting frame is a really cool micro quad especially for analog micro fliers, super fast and punchy for the size given that it runs on 2s! The phantom is an awesome quad too especially for digital fpv pilots, very nice model! Definitely an awesome selection of favorites that you picked out, thanks for sharing Nick!
I built a tks rocket race with the uz85 based off your overwhelming love for the thing! Its far too much for me to handle indoors and Ive just been afraid to fly it outdoors until the snow melts. Cant wait for spring!
lol, yea I wouldn't spend my time trying to fly it inside. While I have and can, it doesn't allow me to really explore the performance of the quad.
Nick Burns! I have seen your channel for sometime now! You can rip! Amazing flying skills! Finally subscribed. Keep ripping!!!!
Phantom was my first quad and it has been amazing for me. Nice weather last few days so it has seen a number of packs this week. I use a 2s 450 and a 3s 450. the 3s is way more power than I ever need. Fun times. Wahoo!
I got the phantom as my first quad and I absolutely love it. It's amazing haven't had any problem
I've got the th2 freestyle. Its a super fun and durable quad. I also have the crux35 elrs with the 3.5" props. Its bottom mount battery takes some getting used to but its also a crazy fun quad.
Th2 freestyle super reliable too! Over 100 flights on mine and only part that needed replaced was the stock battery plug.
@@ShadowOppsRC mine is 100% stock. My 1st mod will be putting the xt30 pigtail on it with a cap.
Hi Nick, I'm loving my 2inch using AlfaRC Cub AIO frame. it's thick and sturdy. I put 2S and my spare 8000kv 1202motors. I even put 600mw vtx and it's amazing.
Oh hell yeah I love that geprc Phantom HD I never saw this quad until you just showed me
I can’t wait for the 3 inch video! I just built a rocket race based your high praise and oh man is it a blast! It’s my first non tiny whoop quad. I want to get into dji as well so I’m thinking the Phamtom or something 3 inch
I built a Rocket Race based on your recommendation - I was too impatient to wait for the uz85 parts but I was able to find some 9000Kv happymodel motors and used an old GEP-12A-F4 AIO board that I had lying around. This thing is a monster. It is by far my favorite quad to fly right now. I need to order a couple of extra frames & motors in case I break them b/c I'd be heartbroken if this thing were unflyable for any extended period of time haha
yea the wait to get the uz85 kit can test our patience. Good to know your enjoying yours.
@@NickBurnsFPV Heck yeah man! I'm gonna have to build another one haha
Great series! I recently built a cruxula, combining by two favorite small 2S quads. Took the crux3 camera, canopy and FC, added ELRS EP2 and put it on a sailfly-x frame using the motors from my mobula7 with 2.5" bi-blade props. I really, really like it as a yard flier. Makes the yard seem a little bigger than when using a crux3 and still performs well. It does have your hated 1mm motor shafts though Nick. And I prefer a bottom mounted battery on quads 3.5" and below because I think the "throw" weight from the battery location makes them handle a bit more like a full sized quad, at least to me.
Geprc Phantom HD I had horrible issues with mid throttle vibrations. Props swapped helped a little but the frame and arms just had too many vibes. I snagged a tinyhawk2 freestyle knock off frame and put all the parts on that frame and it is amazing now! Ficioc i think was the frame name...
Thanks for the rundown Nick.
I have the original Phantom analog sitting in it's box never flown.
Now I'm going to get it in the air!
oh man yes!
I got a phantom. It's one of my favorite quads I did brake the fram. That was a hard crash on concrete and actually still works great just zip tide it together. Gonna put it on a armattan tadpole frame
I have a Geprc Phantom (analogue) and honestly I have 0 complaints
I did burn a motor, but only when me and my friend tried putting a GoPro on it...
In its defence, it actually handled pretty well!
Anyway, the Geprc Phantom I can confidently say is a bloody good quad, and that's basically all I've heard from others as well. If I had to nitpick...the VTX could be a little more powerful?
Idk
It's a great quad
Yea the vtx isn’t the best on the block, that is one complaint I failed to mention
One more, remember I put those beta 1103 11,000 KV on my tiny hawk race frame? Lol I slung a motor off The way I had them mounted lol was lucky enough to find it those motors are so tough the wires did not rip loose from the motor… so after that I drilled out the holes and secured them completely to the frame.. set my TPA to 70 and 1170 dropped my PIDs down added 15% expo And tons of feed forward so now it’s very agile very responsive and smooth at the same time using the same avan blur props Without the screws and throttle percentage is still at 100 and not much voltage sag surprisingly… I haven’t forgot to show you the footage in your jaw is going to drop…I’m now can run my 350 2S hv, 450 2SHV, As well as 550 and 450 1S hv batteries
I've got a kabob spec-built 65mm (2.5") toothpick from his early development days just before the TP3 came out and that thing flies fantastic. I switched to DJI on most of my quads about the same time as that build was finished so it's been sitting on the shelf ever since. I plan to digi-fi the TP3 that I have at some point but IDK if doing the same with the 2.5" is worth the trouble considering the effect the added weight from a naked vista will have on the much smaller disc area of a 2.5". Might be worth a go though.
Side Note: The Avan 2" 4-bladed props are fantastic. I use them on my shutterbug 85 whoop and have also tried them on the original kabob 1S toothpick and they have a ton of grip and control. Highly recommended.
Yeah 2inches are overlooked for sure my 2s 2inch build is my favourite quad
I’m in the same boat . 2inch 2s is where is at !
I run my on betafpv 1103 11k kv good motors
Also Jack3d they are awesome company fast and good quality carbon still have not broke a frame from them
Phantom Frames are great! running TBS Fusion/XFire combo with an AiO A30 FC with some sweet motors. Flying it with 2S Battery!! Phantom is still a sweet 2 inch drone.
There is 2 micros I have been flying recently that I have completly fallen in love with. The NBD Mosquito and the NBD Mosquito XL. The Mosquito is made for 40mm props but will fit a 2" (50mm) prop no problem. And the Mosquito XL is made for 65mm props (2.5"). The frames are very thick carbon so I believe they will never break, and they have ok motor protection at the ends of the arms. The thing is they are both made for 3 screw motors, baisicly 1s whoop motors. I run my XL with 1102 18000kv betafpv motors on 1s and it really has a good amount of power and punch. On my standard Mosquito I've run both the 1102 18000kv and 0802 25,000kv motors, and I like the 25,000kv motors for the props that I run. I run the HQ 50mm 2" props, and gemfan just came out with some 2015 2" props that I will be testing soon. Both quads I'm using the happymodel ELRS aio boards so the range is baisicly unlimited. Runcam nano cams, 1s 450mah and 525mah. Keep the weight as light as possible and they fly amazing. ✌️✌️
I built a few of the Mosquito and my latest one with 0802 18000kv, basically from my built gnarlyfpv Zero and I wanted to try it on the new Gemfan 2015 bi blade and I must say it's got the same throttle respond as when it was on 40mm props on the same 1s 300mah lipo. My other 2" is the gnarlyfpv Meemo with Zero canopy, 1102 18000kv.
I’ve had the analog for several months and fly it with a 3S 450mah bat. It is still not a rocket, but still amazed how well balanced and smooth it fly’s! Great review BTW!
The phantom with press on props?
Hey Nick. The Phantom analog has 65mm push on but can also take screw on props which I prefer (bi and tri blade props). Great review
@@NickBurnsFPV Screw on
@@ElmoSaid_what yes, it can. just trying to verify which one as the phantom HD comes with screw on triblades and some leave off the HD in their comment :)
Hi Nick,
I have the analog phantom and have had trouble with blowing motors (3s 650 battery) - 2 motors total happened on two occasions - I fly with 3 blade props though (HQT2.5V2s on analog) - I have put a throttle limit on at 85% and use 3s 450 battries on this one now - all fine.
I also have an HD version with 1106 motors (from an old betafpv95xv3) flies great and I have just recieved t motor 1404 4510kv motors for the next Phantom HD build (or smart 25 as I think they are called now) I have 2X more frames on the way- I like these quads!!.
The phantom in both versions is amazing and sooo quiet - I have tested various props with a db meter and I think the 3 bladed (Gemfan D63 2.5) are quieter than the standard 2 blades.
Oh and I fly the HD on 4s GNB 450mahHV and get over 5 minutes per battery.
I stuck with the reccomended battery 450mah, I wonder if the extra weight can't be handled?
Good video ! Fully agree regarding the Phantom! Awesome machines! Like you I have two, one naked and one regular HD. Flies very nicely on 3s also and flight times are always great . Everybody should have at least one in their collection ;-)
Hey Nick, I'd like to see more 2 to 2.5" quads as well. I wanted one that was more durable than the Tinyhawk 2 Freestyle and could carry an HDZero. I built one using the AlfaRC Fi-115 frame, Toka 1204 5000kv motors, JHEMCU F4 aio and the HDZero whoop vtx. Flies better than the Tinyhawk 2 FS with the HD goodness.
For small 2" props and light weight you should consider the rcinpower 1204 8000kv motors running on 2S tattu 550mah lipo
2.5" 2s is the best and has always been my favorite. I always land or crash smiling with that format!
Congrats on IGOW team pilot status btw!
Exactly, 2.5 inches is also my favorite size. 2.5 inch 1-3S for optimal efficiency and maneuverability. 40mm-2 inches is too little efficiency, and 3-3.5 inches is too big and fast for places I usually fly, such as small parks and squares.
@@derrpantograf670 exactly! Are you in HD? I want a better 2.5” hd setup even split cam is fine with me but i haven’t had good luck with the extra weight...
Tried naked caddx, caddx loris, runcam hd... Maybe i need to just get an instago2 🤔
@@Shauny_D I'm currently experimenting with a 1206 build using 2.5" props and have found that it carries the extra weight of a full size Caddx Turtle HD camera really well.
@@yohfpv Yah for sure! I’ve tried a couple split cam options on 2.5”. But for spit cam my favorite is a 85mm 2s whoop.
I was all set to get the digital GepRC Cinelog25, but the $350-ish price had me stalled! I found my second choice, the digital BetaFPV 95X V3 on sale for only $175 shipped from a USA dealer, so I couldn't resist that HALF PRICE of the GepRC quad deal. It came with the Nebula Nano V2 camera and Nick, you're correct, people shouldn't be afraid of that camera as it's been fixed to get rid of about 90% of the V1's issues. It's so much better than analog, well, why am I even saying that, anything digital is far, FAR superior...
Here's the key to that purchase: Chris Rosser has a full video on tuning the 95X V3, and boy ole boy does he do a great job of tuning that quad! It came with what appeared to be a stock tune of Betaflight, which wasn't making it fly very good at all. Switched to that Rosser tune and Damn!! if it doesn't fly PER-FECT! I had it flying up about 20 feet into a thick grove of oak trees, flying right through the scraggle and ghost branches of the tree canopy! Weaving back and forth through the tiny holes... Through barely a 1' x 1' tiny holes, through all sorts of ghost branches that were very clearly visible with the AWESOME image clarity that DJI's digital system gives us! Such a breakthrough in FPV ability, as I would never even think of flying through a tree's canopy of tiny branches with analog. Well, quite frankly, analog can't even attempt flying like that. Hard to fly my analog quads now! I still like them, but not the image quality they give.
Anyway, if you can pick up a 95X V3 for a great deal, go to Chris Rosser's channel and get his amazing tune and enjoy how it's supposed to fly!!! =(:^)-
Hi Nick YEP Great video on your favorite 2in quads, I used to have a Phantom and I wish I still have it. Thanks again for the video
I think it's time to revisit the Rocket Race build with more recent components, like the Happymodel X12 AIO (1-2S, ELRS 2.0, 400mW VTX, 12A)!
What is a good novice 3”. Thanks Nick
I want to mention I finally converted my 2.5" GePRC Smart HD (or Phantom) from Caddx Vista to DJI O3 with some modifications. :D
I agree 100% Nick, My favorite class by far. I have been waiting all year for new elrs 2 inch Qwads, I blade covid shut downs. seems to have slowed the industry down, maybe by Q3 things will look better. Great video. Thanks.
I kinda wanna see a 3" now just to see how the novice3v2 stacks. I'm loving it but it's my first 3".
I was also flying the original Kabob toothpick, 65mm props on 2s and 1103 10,000kv motors. That was also one of the best flying quads I've ever had. I just need some more motors for it.
I agree, more 2" stuff! Gemfan did just release some new 2" bi-blades props.
that makes me think some major manufacturer has a plan for them. I hope.
@@NickBurnsFPV manufacturer or independent... you know who's make the things improve in this hobby...
I have the cinelog 25 and I quickly outgrew it and wanted to swap it for a lighter micro frame. I'll be building an HD tpc with its components most likely
I’ve had a phantom since it came out. I’ve put a ton of batteries through it. I had a bad crash which broke the frame and motor. It sat broken for more than a year but finally got everything switched over to new frame but have yet to solder new motor on. I think it’s a great quad
I am very hearing of a few broken frames, some on concrete and some noted as pretty bad. What did you think of your crash.
@@NickBurnsFPV My crash was at high speed into some hard ground. What’s weird it cracked in the center under where the board sits at the brace. I was able to super glue it and I’m keeping it for a spare.
@@brandonhubbard1154 that is pretty wild. I am pretty sure all the other reports are arm breakages.
I enjoy the cinerace20 but it isn't really in the category. I'm getting more into micro's. Thank you for all the great video's.
i did build the phantom and rebuild it after crashing, tried many combo of fc and after i got dji i build the hd version and killed two original FC's.
21/2 is my favorite and i recommend for HD pilots the alpha rc frame fifly 115 no probs in view 2-4 s great around the house ripper.
I have an original phantom, I broke an arm from an rxloss back when I was using FrSky "so glad we have Elrs now" and after I replaced the frame I flew it for a while longer untill the motor bells started slipping on the shaft and that happened on two motors. I stopped flying that one and haven't bought any new motors to put on it, 1103 8000kv seems hard to find and I don't buy from China. I'll keep looking for motors and eventually get it back in the air. I have very fond memories of that Phantom.
My Phantom is one of the most fun that I fly!
Id greatly appreciate seeing you build and review an fpvcycle 2s-4s TP3 with a full caddx vista!
hi nick, it would be great to see your favorites 3' cinewhoop videos (regular or pusher)
If we're talking 2.5" I've managed to keep my old Larva X running all this time and it's still one of my favorite to fly. Long cruising flight times on 2s or what still feels like impressive performance on 3s.
the larva x is one I hear about often. Seem one of those older micros still being enjoyed.
Hey Nick, Where did you get the camera mount for that Rocket Race 2s? That doesn't even look like a print, it's so clean. Also the vertical color breaks are tricky to do with a print like that. Is that an injection molded mount? Thank you!
The multicolor mount? That is from jacks3dprinting.com
Have you completed or considering an ELRS receiver addition to one of your Rocket Race 2s builds? I just ordered the frame and UZ85 kit (sans receiver) because I have a couple of JHEMCU SP24S ELRS receivers with ceramic antenna laying around. Any placement advice of the receiver you can offer is great. Have had mixed results retrofitting the same receiver into open space in the canopy behind the camera on another build which was the emax nanohawk x (I think I may be reducing VTX range).
I have one with an ep2 type rx in it. I find if we use the beebrain or similar canopy we have more room to mount an rx provided we aren't adding a vtx as well.
Geprc Phoenix 2 inch is rock solid. It is old but I still like it very much
Is this fake or real?
Can you do a comparison of micro 1s? Flywoo Firefly, NBD Mosquito, etc? Keep up the good work!
I've built a Phantom HD with 1404 motors. I used these motors because I couldn't find any replacement 1303 sized ones at the time to purchase when I crashed them, and with these motors it flies even better. I'm getting about 4 min flights with 550mah 3S, and I use a full size Nebula Pro with it. It weighs about 108g, and I think I can get it down to close to 70g with a few changes. There are some videos of it on my channel and there's a rotorbuilds page of it if anyone's interested.
Hey Nick Honest question with the dji. Is the hassle of going naked really worth it as far as flight performance?
To my knowledge and little experience there doesn't seem to be much risk, many many I have heard from are running naked. the upside is increased agility/quick response, longer flights due to less weight. the downside is the manual cleaning, less weight for "throw" moves and shorter flights.
Thanks nick just built my first 40mm digital
I’d be really interested to see the “peripherals” and work bench things you really like.
I am pretty minimal for bench peripherals. Or are you thinking things like goggles, radio etc?
where is your 3inch video Nick? :D
love your channel thanks!!
What would you say is better between the GepPhantom and the Crux35
the phantom with 65mm push on props? Those are wildly different sized quads. The crux35 is far faster and more aggressive performer with its larger props and running a 4s battery. With that most would need a larger space to have fun with it. Where the phantom is a smaller propped quad and thus doesn't have the same aggressiveness or performance.
I have both in HD and I prefer the Crux35 but the Phantom is really a solid little beast. I don’t think you can go wrong with either one.
@@smithe68 Thank you Erik
@@NickBurnsFPV Thankks NB
I’ve a spare naked vista sitting on my table and can’t decide what to build with it. Phantom hd or perhaps a 3inch digitooth based on the baby tooth? Good question. Any recommendations?
I also own a Babyhawk 2 hd, TH2 Freestyle and tiny trainer In that category.
I have a recommendation for your next naked vista build:
Twig XL frame
Hglrc petrel 120x HD canopy or betafpv x knight canopy
Hglrc 1804 3500kv motors
HQ T75MMx5 props
Its amazing and outperforms the babyhawk 2 HD. I love my babyhawk, buts its dethroned by this build.
@@chrisbee5481 that's tempting, thanks for you recommendation. I've also looked at the twig frame but never thought about using 5-blade props on non cinewhoops :-) I just can't decide weither I should go lighter to have something HD for the garden bashing time or something to dethrone my babyhawk.
@@Wollari just check out quadmovr on the T75MMx5 prop build. Youll want this build
@@chrisbee5481 right. quadmovr is using them on his speed builds but isn't he using them on a 4inch frame? (movr_4_tpr1) Anyway. That's an awesome build as always from quadmovr and the sound ... It's just not for your casual garden ripping :-P but it has something special. But is it the real use case for a naked vista?
@@Wollari Google movr4tpr1 fm2004 T75MMx5
Its his favourite build by the way. Yes, he also used the props on his latest rocket Video.
On the twig xl frame you can use 3.5 props inch too. I've even fitted 4 inch props on it. So youre not Stuck with one prop choice. Its worth a build. Man does he rip that thing 💪
The largest quad I own is a diatone f35, and still haven't flown it. I just recently got a iflight a75 hd and it has quickly become my favorite outdoor quad and for indoors is an old brushed newbeedrone 65mm hummingbird v1, I can whip that around the house so fast and so hard I don't need more out of it. I just killed the original motors and since replacing with some new lower 15k kv the performance is still amazing but with 5min flight times on a 300mah. I like the fly at home and the smaller stuff let's me do that.
I love 2 inch drones!! Redid my Mantis 85 and that is just right for out in the back yard!! #microsforlife
oddity rc has some impressive whoops,they already launched a 2.5inch whoop that flies amazing, and apparently there will be a 2ich version come out
Interesting I have not heard of that one.
@@NickBurnsFPVsadly u probably can't find it on youtube though, may need to go to bilibili for some flightfootages
Im still rocking my TKS RR 2s and my new TKS GT20 2s ! Now my next coming up is another 2s TKS but 5inch !
Is BetaFPV still making their version of the 2s 85mm Shutterbug power whoop? I'm surprised something like that didn't make the cut. For 2" props with ducts running on 2s that's still a hard formula to beat.
for me is to much inside, and not enough outside. Those with prop protection in this category are indoor friendly, and like the 85mm whoop not enough outside....for me.
@@NickBurnsFPV That makes sense.
I’ve been struggling with my TKS 75 build. The clearance on the 2in props is tight and I often find fresh props won’t clear the racer twig canopy I’m trying to use. I tried the crux canopy but can’t seem to squeeze the vtx and rx cleanly with the baby ratel 2 nano.
Do you have the 2s rocket race or the 1s? The 2s is slightly bigger at 78mm, those mm make a difference in prop clearance. I can't say if that canopy will work or if it would need to be raised or shaved down to allow clean prop clearance.
@@NickBurnsFPV pretty sure it’s the 2S version but point taken. I may just switch it to 4 blade 40mm and call it good.
Hi I have a problem with my betafpv meteor 75 frsky. I crashed it in snow and when I rearmed it it did not flew. In the goggles it was showing: nogyro so I turned it off an waited. After that the nogyro disappeared and now the drone won’t arm what should I do?
with the crash in snow and the symptom I suspect the flight controller is damaged and needs replaced. Unfortunately the snow likely cause a short and a component on the flight controller to burn.
@@NickBurnsFPV thanks, I’ll buy a new flight controller
Not gonna lie, I would kind of love to see you try, build and fly a modern 5 inch (maybe in your long range spot for extra safety). It would be especially interesting because you've been a micro only guy. I wonder how the 2 inch category performs in windy condition, the climate here it's usually at least somewhat windy which is why I've been hesitant to go under 3 inches with dji, not naked. Do you feel its worth going naked on a 3 inch 170g quad (without battery)?
We get a fair bit of wind here as well. I find once the wind gets over 15mph I need to move above 2inch 2s quads to fly with comfort and not have to fight the wind, but under 15mph I find 2inch 2s to do very well.
Geprc Phantom, This is by far my favorite back yard drone. However, it is not a GepRC Phantom, out of the box i hooked it up to betaflight attached a XM+. i changed nothing. it would not fly, i checked props, motor direction, board orientation, nothing. so i got bad luck got bad part. All good, i probably should have contacted RDQ but, i went a different route, and got a Goku mini stack, put in and its AMAZING. I mainly run it on RDQ 2s 450mah. with Gemfan 2540-3. this thing ZOOOMS.
That certainly is a rough start on that quad. You got it running though.
Thoughts on taycan c25 mk2 2.5 inch ?
Interesting for dual camera cinewhooping, pretty much the only one in its size for dual cameras. Cinewhooping isn’t really something I do more than rarely
Is there a url for the Emu cli for the RR?
yes, its in the RocketRace video here th-cam.com/video/ah8SahLPS2Y/w-d-xo.html scroll down below the parts listing before the time codes.
It’s fascinating to hear that 44k subs isn’t enough to generate enough influence with manufacturers to bring 2” bnf to market. On the other hand Roogi brings a 1202.5 to market (also about 40k subs) and 1202.5s multiply like rabbits.
lol. Maybe putting $$ behind a desire gathers more attention :)
I'm about to build one with the UZ85 and the Twiglet mini frame as I could'nt get that frame here in Portugal. It's lighter than the rocket. I won't have fingers for it
Weight that canopy, I suspect it is 2+ grams, that could make a small difference in the overall performance.
Mr. Burns may I humbly ask what's the most fun some one can have on 1s?
I think the most fun on 1s is inside. But if not inside likely something like the emax nanohawk x or similar.
Hi mr. Nick, i have a question. One of my relatives likes to fly microquads. His *cnhl 450mah 1s hv* batteries always lose capacity in as short as 2 weeks. Flight time drops from 4 to 1 minutes. He pays extra attention to keep them at storage. What would be some advices you could give to keep them from dying ? Thanks in advance.
When they fly them what is the voltage when they end the flight. If much below 3.5v then that is likely the issue. Also what connector are they using? PH2.0 rolled pin, or solid pin?
@@NickBurnsFPV he lands at 3.3-5.Ph2.0 solid pins
when i was new to fpv sometimes i held 100% throttle longer than i should and the batteries got hot and puffed and lost its capacity. now if i found myself holding high throttle a lot i know it's time for me to get more powerful or larger quad.
@@matthew04101 Ooh that might be a reason, i never go 100 longer than 1 second but he might be doing it.
@@yatzeegamingop yea, going super hard on the throttle can super drain a battery, the battery does recover, but time and time again draining the battery down or close to 3v doesn't do the battery any good.
You should compare these new 2" to the old lizard95 and the ARfun quads back from 2017.
That would be very speculative. I haven't flown those in a number of years. I wouldn't think my assessment would be valid with the the time gone by.
@@NickBurnsFPV but it would be awesome content! Just to see how things have changed or haven't changed. I just went back and watched your videos of them and the leader 120. And it's crazy how much power those little quads had back then.
I had the Phantom HD, maybe I was just a little bit unlucky with my crashes (or too unskilled, lol) and I broke two frames, both happened with the arm (which is being part of the whole bottom plate). As you can't get only that part of the frame (at least at the time) I ended up picking a cheap Flight Alpha frame which seemed to be sturdier and moved all the electronics and motor there (recently upgrading to the nebula nano pro). It still flies well and I'm happy with it (still haven't broke the frame, at least 😄)
It could be a weak spot, not every frame can handle all sorts of different crashes. We often try to find the ones that can take a certain amount/type of crashes.
The cinelog 25 is really nice but the prop protectors are very fragile, almost every crash means to replace one. The geprc phantom hd has a design flaw... The top mounted vista can touch the bottom mounted FC if you crash it badly and the MOSFETs will fry....
true, the prop protection doesn't last for most. I did note that in the previous video. :(
How do you find those new orca goggles?
do you mean where to buy? or what shops have them in stock?
@@NickBurnsFPV No I see you've listed it in the equipment you're using, I'm thinking of getting one. So what you think of the goggles?
@@kheshavdheereess5243 oh sorry I didn't understand. The are a nice goggle and have the best dvr in fpv. The cost is a big barrier, and it doesn't come with a receiver. For the money I think the skyzone o4x are a better value with equal the quality. The 04x doesn't have the overall potential the Orca goggle do though, we shall see what that brings. So far that potential hasn't brought much.
Love my tadpole!
I think the main reason we don't see more 2" builds is because essentially the same parts can be used to build a 3" toothpick with arguably dramatically better performance. I spent 6 months with a friend designing our idea of a perfect 2" quad after Gemfan released their 51mm bi-blades. only to conclude that if we just stretched the frame a little, we could fit 65mm on the same hardware and have a much better quad. And if we had bought lower KV motors, we could have used 3" on the same hardware.
I suspect 2" will become more popular once a 1s HDzero board is available, and/or if there are more motors released in sizes between the 0802 and the 1102
Hey nick Darwin is coming out with a 2.5 "tiny hawk 2 freestyle" type frame quad " baby ape freestyle" with elrs... Hope you get to review it since the baby ape 3 is a must buy👍🏽✌🏽
I know they are sending something but I am not sure what size its is other than a micro :)
@Nick Burns awesome I hope it's it lol looking forward to seeing you rip and review it since the baby ape was very good for the price 😁✌🏽
@Nick Burns Hey nick sorry to bother you but I just got a message saying that you have something for me and I was wondering if it was really you or some scam artists lol I have been contacted like this before from people that use TH-camrs names and profile pictures saying that I won a prize but i know its scammers so I was just wanting to let you know that if it isn't you than someone is using your name and profile....
@@scu-dub This is a scam, the message wasn't from me, only some spammer using the channel icon. I have banned them, but I am sure they will be back. Note how my name appears rather than the scammer name. They can't replicate the channel name.
@Nick Burns smh....what a shame the lengths some people go to lol had to let you know bud 👍🏽
They're discontinued, but my nominee for King of the 2S, 2" class is the LDARC ET100. It's crap as it comes from the factory, but a few mods to the hoops, a home-rolled camera mount, an XT30 connector, and BetaFlight 4.2.9 with JMaverick ESC firmware, and it's a beast. Video is potato quality, tho'.
I have built at least 10 2” quads and end up not liking them because they are just to heavy with the size lipo that you have to run so it doesn’t have bad voltage sage.
Even with the newer lighter stuff 2” in my eyes just doesn’t work well.
We really need a 2 1/4 prop and that would probably help a ton.
do you recall the dry weights of the some of the builds?
@@NickBurnsFPV Um it’s been a while but my best one was the gnarly fpv memo and it did do fairly well because it was the lightest.
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Is that the old Meemo? The new one, I think is thinner? And the frame design is different, now you can secure your fc on each corner, not like the old one only 2 screws (front/back) and the canopy is a 1 piece now. I didn't use the Primo canopy instead I used the Zero canopy.
@@Bisdak.3475 it was the original one.
My 2" is a 1s, frame by gnarlyfpv (Meemo), betafpv 1102 18000kv, HM diamond aio board (waiting for elrs version, if they ever make one) but for now piggybacked ep2 elrs, flywoo brand camera (caddx), d514blades cut into bi-blade, GNB 1s 660mah. Really so much fun flying micros.
As for bind and fly 2" it is just not much interest as of now (I guess). Seems like when it comes to micros, they either pick whoops or go 3"TP.
maybe, just maybe with the 3inch tp and whoops really really explored the manufacturers will take another look at 2inch.
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I'm also a micro fan, I got rid all of my larger rigs 5" below and focus only with micro 2" and whoops but I don't go crazy either by having a lot of collection, I build and sell for the fun of the hobby.
Hopefully company will consider looking into 2"er ductless. That UZ80 didn't get good hit maybe that's what drive them to not look furthermore? Again, I have similar 40mm ductless by gnarlyfpv (ZERO) and it is a lot of fun as well, very noticeable over a 75whoop on term of how this micro flies.
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Awesome list, Nick! Thanks! 😊
But shouldn't the FlyWoo Firefly FR and not FR be in this category?
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I think I might need another category to fit those 40mm prop non whoops in. My assessment was they didn’t fit into the whoop category
@@NickBurnsFPV Hmmm... I see! Yeah, you're probably right!
Please show us how to install emuflight. There is not decent instructions on this!
Its essentially the same as flashing betaflight, we select the target for our flight controller and flash it. Is there something I am missing? Maybe that we need to download the emuflight configurator?
Love this size format, I run the UZ85 parts on a LarvaX frame and it really goes well. Still fly LarvaX stock today and think it's just a great quad for the $, just switch to props out and it flys great.
Really wish it was easier to get the TKS stuff here. I have the 3D printed version of the 75mm version of TKS. But honestly prefer the UZ80 carbon frame that is easy and cheap to get. I love to build it using 25000KV on 380mah 1S packs GNB27 with the Ant lite (4:3) and crazybeeX with rxsr.
Where is flywoo cinarace20 ?
It didn't make my list, I only had the analog and in 2inch category I prefer others. For me in 2inch with prop protection is primarily for inside flight. Maybe not for all but for me.
I have an emax tiny hawk race 2 s that thing is super fast, I guess it’s in that 2 inch category
Sure, its not a bad quad, just not one of "my" favorites.
I love my phantom I got it on 3s with a caddx loris setup it's like my concealed 4k shooter
Interesting I had a C85HD and I actually swapped it over to a CineRace20 frame and motors. The C85 didn't fly nearly as well as my cinerace20, might have been just bad luck. I'm enjoying the cinerace20 much more than the C85 that I now have the BnF one and the one I swapped.
Is yours the dji/air unit version?
@@NickBurnsFPV Yeah both of them were. The BnF was a DJI with polar nano. The C85 was a DJI unit also before I switched it over to the cineRace20 frames and motors. Now those cinerace20s with that weight is not going to do the crazy stuff you do with whoops, but it's fairly good as a setup for doing some nice cinematic flying with an insta360 go2 or my iflight goCam 4K (the smo4K clone) on it and getting like 6-8 minutes with an 850 4s.
Couldn't agree more.
I still have a Falcon CP90 that flies great, but the camera is crap.
I have 2 TKS frame and 2 Phamtom Frame that i bought last year after participing in IGOW3. I follow your video and made the transition my MOBULA6 HD to MOBULA 7 V3 Frame (lot of fun), I build a 85 mm IFLIGHT WHOOP DIY with the FLYWOO GOKU F4 13amp with Runcam nano split 3, my great build ever. I would like to get deeper in the hobby but my enviroment don't like to much drone, and the regulation FAA Part 107 and so. Nick I think I gonna fly In Tinywhoop Go simulator with my jumper T-PRO (I prefer the Zorro) and indoor with 65mm and 75mm. maybe make a give away of all the boxes sub 250 that I have. i think in my case 65mm and 75mm is the best way to have fun in peace...
You shouldn't need a 107 unless your planning to make business out of the drone flights in some way.
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