Tournaments just need to hire people who actually know what they are looking for. Anything brought into a tournament needs to be checked in and looked over.
Its a cat and mouse game, they catch someone, someone els finds a solution to get not busted till his solution gets busted then again someone els comes with another solution. Same with drug traffickers, they get busted they again find a solution or better hiding spot to traffic the drugs again till they get busted again, there is no fully stop for it.
For the hardware cheats (and cheating on tournaments in general), I think the Computers could be locked down much further. Something much more Kiosk like. For example a readonly RHEL system with only Xorg, Pulseaudio and CS:GO, that doesn't allow the execution of any other files, nor the loading of any custom kernel modules (e.g. drivers). Built-in recoil compensation in mouses will definitely still be achievable, but at least you'd probably be around the same level of hardening as e.g. a PlayStation
Yeah I complete agree. It always surprises me that any execution of programs not controlled by some allowed list. Whilst you point at how Linux can control this, the same is available on Windows as well (GPOs / AppLocker / WDAC / ASR). It just requires a IT tech who knows what they are doing. Scripting of hardware is normally controlled by the software not the firmware. If the software was controlled, scripting is unlikely. But even then, an acceptable firmware lists could be built. If a hardware manufacturer wanted to be considered tournament ready, they'd need to provide signed firmware that offers no scripting.
what you are describing doesnt do shit, you can literally run a cheat on the mouse or keyboard itself.... nothing has to be loaded onto the computeer. so it doesnt matter what the coputer does...
@@rainingman338 the video showed examples of OS level hacks (scripting/word.exe) alongside firmware hacks. But I included the hardware manufacturer in my comment That is the layer that would offer protection, via the BIOS. That is where the protection would work. Dell for instance does hash verification. In the case of firmware the computer does still matter, the OS does not.
another solution is simply just banning keyboards and mice with built-in memory chips should've been easy, also their config is like available publicly for literally everyone to download on the internet, you just assign a computer to any AND ONLY THAT PLAYER to be used
@@ryujinayato1623 Banning peripherals with built-in memory chips would merely result in people just buying cheaper peripherals and having them modified with a chip that contains the cheat software.
Isn´t that completely boring? I´m not a pro by any means (currently MGII) and I could not imagine having a script doing shit for me. I always get excited when I nail a difficult jump mid game in pressure situations. Some kind of script would rob this exact feeling. I´ve seen hundreds, if not thousands, of cheaters by now, but I could never get the motivation behind this behavior.
@@feuerfaustace1able isnt letting a program aim for you completely boring? Or a program finding out where all the enemies are? Cheating is boring. Cheaters are just too dumb or deluded to understand that it does not make them feel good for long.
From Valve: Set Deny rules for the following (can be set for the everyone group or the Windows user players will be using): powershell.exe, cmd.exe, cscript.exe [the script payload used in the documentary is C# run in powershell]. So the reason it is this "easy" is because this LAN is not following guidelines to secure it. If guidelines were followed then this script would be detected and blocked because powershell was executed. An attacker using badUSB hardware is already limited by the size of the script to get it done fast. This script used a one-liner which does a benign function that will not trigger any security. The script just shows a flickering square dot. I can do something very similar through the console without powershell. In other words, that segment is bait. No actual cheat was running on LAN. However, the full documentary did reference other cheats that attack the BIOS that DO bypass league anti cheats, but mostly in an online setting. I won't bother citing them here nor will I answer further questions about them or about hardware cheats.
@@gunzishere no prob... Från Valve: Ställ in avslagsregler för följande (kan ställas in för gruppen alla eller Windows-användare som spelarna kommer att använda): powershell.exe, cmd.exe, cscript.exe [skriptnyttolasten som används i dokumentären är C# körs i powershell]. Så anledningen till att det är så "lätt" är att detta LAN inte följer riktlinjerna för att säkra det. Om riktlinjerna följdes skulle det här skriptet upptäckas och blockeras eftersom powershell kördes. En angripare som använder badUSB-hårdvara är redan begränsad av storleken på skriptet för att få det gjort snabbt. Detta skript använde en one-liner som gör en godartad funktion som inte kommer att utlösa någon säkerhet. Manuset visar bara en flimrande fyrkantig prick. Jag kan göra något mycket liknande genom konsolen utan powershell. Med andra ord, det segmentet är bete. Inget faktiskt fusk kördes på LAN. Den fullständiga dokumentären hänvisade dock till andra fusk som attackerar BIOS och som DÅ går förbi ligans antifusk, men mest i en onlinemiljö. Jag kommer inte bry mig om att citera dem här och inte heller kommer jag att svara på ytterligare frågor om dem eller om hårdvarufusk.
I remember the topic of hardware hacks being discussed in the CS:GO pro scene like 6 years ago. This just proves they've probably been doing it all along.
just provide the mice/keyboards, don't let the players use their own gear. if they need specific gear they or the team can pay tournament organizers to provide one that is verified. players can still use the gear they are comfortable with and it eliminates all possibility of this type of cheat, you would have to install it to the pc otherwise.
This exact method has been talked about for years. If it's never been implemented, then no one's actually serious about stopping cheats. It is the simplest answer and doesn't require insane man-hours to develop hardware anti-cheat.
You can also pay tournament organisers to swap said gear with yours. It is called bribe and it works in sports since money is on the line. Imagine how much can you make betting on underdogs with cheats. CSGO is just one big gamba scam.
I played cs go all year last year. The amount of cheaters and idiots makes it one of the most unplayable games. I love Counter-strike but damn do they need to do something about its current condition.
I think the only way to counter hardware cheats is to use hardware anti cheat. Some sort of shim device that plugs into USB and your mouse/keyboard has to be plugged into it like a USB hub. The device inspects/records HID protocol activity(basically keyboard and mouse input) and passthrough the inputs so there's no input delay. Of course the client side anti-cheat needs to verify the device and operating system so you cannot unplug it or plug in another keyboard. If the device detects illegal/suspicious activities(i.e. injecting cheat program that isn't keyboard/mouse input) the device silently reports the time illegal inputs were made to the anti-cheat software on the PC. This way the officials could reverse engineer the inputs if something sus was found or reported after match ended. But it's basically a keylogger(privacy and security issue), so it's opening a can of worm for users other than pros playing on tournaments. Before you say "how about the crazy hacks like self driving mouse with wheels", that wouldn't be possible on LAN matches anyways. And yes anything man-made could be defeated so smarter people need to outsmart the smart cheaters.
Was just going to type the same thing. Wouldn’t cost much to have a inline “usb scan/monitor device” made and it can be hard wired into a mainframe PC dedicated to monitoring every lan players inputs in real-time against a algorithm coded with the games realistic human inputs and reactions. That data can be easily collected from all online multiplayers of the game in a short period of time. Far as everyone having to use the same keyboard/mouse I don’t have a issue with that. Pros can’t bring their own baseballs, footballs, basketballs, etc when they compete. And the other equipment used is highly regulated and approved by the organization prior to being used.
that does nothing. You can make a kernel driver to spoof the dma hardware as a network adapter before windows ever boots. since the dma pcie devices also have ethernet ports, its impossible to detect.
this has been a thing for a while. when the steelseries sensei came out with the arm processor onboard i wrote custom norecoil firmware for it and it was never detected at lan events or on mm/esea/faceit, and that was like at least 8 years ago now. you dont even need to execute it on the computer itself since it runs self contained on the processor within the mouse, and doesnt need to access any memory since the recoil patterns were hard coded into the mouse (they only worked for AK and M4, which were swappable by hitting the DPI button). pretty much anything that has an onboard cpu can do this, and since most keyboards and mice are super duper fancy rgb gamer stuff now, almost all of them have something powerful enough to run this kind of script.
@@AG-ld6rv the worst thing is that you can even program a triggerbot to have a delay (like 100ms for example), making it practically impossible to detect by eye.
Hardware hacks have been around for years, all the pros use macros so it wouldn't be hard to put scripts into them. Tournaments should either scrutinise the hardware by a third party or be provide everything, the computers, the keyboards, mouse, on private lans that cant be attacked like the Navi Vs Heroic match in EPL. Navi accounts were targeted by DDOS. Either have a body to search and throughly scrutinise the hard ware or just have the tournament say it's their equipment or don't compete.
I mean, it's actually pretty simple. In live tournaments, everybody has to play with the same hardware, that is provided by the organizer. No personal hardware allowed and the problem is solved
So, something like this won't be stopped. It will reach a point (if it hasn't already) whereby a few people on the inside (organizers) are paid discretely to provide pre-configured hardware to a certain player. And no, something like this won't be detected even while the game is watched by millions. Pro players are spot on with almost everything gameplay related - the software used in the ESL scene is privately coded in a way that nobody will be able to pinpoint who's running something. And yes, there are currently one or two people in the ESL scene that are using third party. Even when you take a look at invite-only software, what you're able to do is so discrete that an average Faceit Lvl 7 player (or anyone with decent enough Xhair placement, movement, knowledge, util usage etc) will not be seen as suspect. When someone is running a 5% chance for every 4th bullet to connect for a headshot provided your Xhair is within a custom pre configured hitbox - and their spray pattern is near perfect as well as their pre-aim, Xhair placement, movement etc - you will never be able to tell, never. Overall this would just seem like a good player who has 10k hours in the game. It is what it is, and it will stay this way.
A potential solution would be to enact a requirement for the esport teams themselves to order the mice + keyboards for their own players to be delivered to the esports venue. The staff will open and set them up to the desired settings.
Broky in the last major had moments that made zero sense...this is going on already. Also that recoil script is obviously used by most "pro's". Ever watched the spam a wall and move a crosshair over while doing it....its like laser accuracy that just isn't possible when you look at the trails.
You know what would be a good way to end this? Force them to use completely new hardware. Don't let them bring in their peripherals, either provide a brand new identical one for use in the tournament or make the players use one from the sponsors. They should be able to adapt, if you want to really be the best, be ready for every situation.
You mean end CSGO pro scene? There are devices you can put on any mouse and it will compare mouse movements with in-game output. But then they will just bribe officials and dope beforehand. What peak sport is cheaters free? None. Some are just easier to do so, thus there will be more cheaters there.
While hardware may be inputting the cheat, it still is done via software (basically the keyboard is injecting code and running it on the PC, while the code came from the keyboard (usually via a script), it is still running on the PC as a script or executable, so it should still be detectible.) There should be some things that could be setup to stop this from working, disabling scripts, disabling access to command line/powershell, heck you might be able to make it so that only certain programs are able to run under the account (aka CSGO/Steam) and nothing else, treat the tournament computers like a corporate network computer, you can even force USB driver whitelisting to only allow certain brands/models of keyboards/mice. only hardware cheats that use macros for no recoil, and rapid fire of a semi-auto would be able to really be done straight from hardware without any software needed. If its injecting code, its still software based even though it was done through a hardware attack vector.
i'd say tournaments should essentially offer a variety of keyboards and mice, and the individual players select them and book them in long before the tournament. yes it might limit some of their preferred mice, but they'll have a long period of time to get used to the mouse and kb they will have to use, lets say every tournament has like 5-10 standard options, people will likely practice with their regular favourites enough to be just as good with them as any other. outside of that, there's no way to fix this imo.
@MaybeShimo that makes no sense, how can it know if there is more data than "expected?" Explain how you would be able to tell if a minor aim correction was done by the player or not
im glad time understood that it was more than a bhop script. it indeed was recorded movement. he just went to a marker *drawn by his esp* and holds a key and it would do the movement for him
You like f1? Guess what? All the cars are completely different, honestly mouse choice and keyboard choice is more personal preference, if someone actually chooses a mouse with high input latency, then that’s their own choice
@@Blue-hr9ch duh, yes they are different.... They follow a RULE BOOK that allows them to DESIGN their cars... Your analogy is so bad.... The players don't sit there and design their kit. They are paid to use manufacturers kit, in order for them to make money. If I need to explain it more, I'll try treat you like a 5 yr old next time.
@@graemepennell but the cars are so vastly different that the richest teams win, but nowadays, a £20 mouse is pretty much as usable as a £300 mouse, now one is better than the other sure but the difference is smaller than the large difference in f1 between the cars. Also yes companies monetise their mice and keyboards to the players, but that just makes it even more level because everyone’s then playing with high end mice. And just because it’s written they can be different, doesn’t mean it’s fair they’re different, now don’t be a cunt and actually discuss and think about what you’re actually saying
@@Blue-hr9ch f1 is a bad analogy.. stock car racing would be a better one since they only use "stock" cars, and would fit OPs comment, and LAN since they use same builds.. cheating in a tournament is like putting a modded car in a stock car race, it would be totally unfair.. an F1 race where they could optimize everything is more comparable to an HvH game since everybody can "tweak" their builds
"Limit the players far to much" No, this is a logical flaw. Every sport in the world has standardization, baseball, basket ball, foot ball. The balls, the nets, the fields are specific, The ball weighs exactly the same from game to game, the bats are all specifically manufactured to standard. I think pro gamers should be forced to use standardized equipment PERIOD, it's part of leveling the playing field.
Love your vids time but i got a question: Why is cheating not considered griefing? Its clearly disrupting the game for everyone else and therefore ruining the experience. The options listed under griefing are only examples, arent they?
I think it’s horse shit, I had to come investigate bc I swear there’s tons of streamers if not all that are using some kind of cheats especially with recoil control
I always KNEW that ScreaM had some hardware cheats installed in his system lmao. There's no way in hell he would be that good at the game plus even his shots were just unrealistic. This just confirms it.
if valve give shit about csgo maybe they will achieve something but it is better for them to make a csgo case than rather fight against the premium cheaters.
See how that suspect in 3:24 smoothly glides his crosshair before starting hits godly movements? That's a moment recorder playback. I personally don't think it's an issue but I just want you all to know those moves weren't legit.
Tournaments should just ban mice/keyboards/etc with ANY amount of onboard writeable memory. Companies could make "pro" versions of their peripherals for people interested in competitive esports, basically just with a firmware flash (probably?), and still sell the normal version for most people. And if your favorite mouse wasnt available? Tough luck, get something legal.
People could just take apart the mouse and put different internals ... bottom of the line cheaters always find a way around detection .... the real question is if any current t1 pros have ever tried such a thing.... honestly hardware hacks seem like something someone who is not top tier or confident in their natural ability would use. Seems like the top players in the world would be risking their entire career for no reason if they are naturally good enough to be there in the first place.
@@TKDWolf possibly I guess we are gonna need some actual reason for them to take things more serious ... gonna need another forsaken but in a big tournament or it will probably just remain the same assuming everyone is legit
@@The_Albino_Dino Imagine, being a "top" player and trying to be "natural". Sleep, drink your coffee and go to the tournament where you could win life changing money, oh and you are legit, you will play natural, while knowing that the enemy team might be cheating, meaning it takes away any chance you had at winning lol. Everyone cheats when $$ is involved.
@@Sol4rFl4r3 yeah except the one huge hole in your theory is that pro players are payed the same win or lose on salary and yes there is incentive to win the tournament and get a bonus, however, it would be extremely risky / counterproductive for a tier 1 pro to attempt cheating at a tournament as it would end their career. This is why on the rare occasions hacks have been found in pro cs it’s usually in games in tournaments for lower tiers as gamers are trying to make it to the top to make the big money you speak about in any way they can and the risk of being caught as a cheater is actually worth the reward of winning in their eyes. I don’t think a single pro in tier 1 scene has any reason to need cheats because they are already insane players and it’s almost impossible to hide cheats while everyone is watching your pov and you are trying your hardest to win … eventually you would make a mistake expose yourself as cheating and it would be game over. Maybe in other esports it’s different but I’m pretty sure in the very top levels there is no hacking in tournaments and it’s mainly tier 2-3 and players trying to make it into the top tier who resort to these efforts.
That awkward moment when you realize that the mouse and keyboard a person at a tourney uses at home doesn't matter, and if everyone is playing on the same system with the same mouse and keyboards? Would it not be more Sportsman like then? I mean EVERYONE would be competing with ONLY skill then. And considering just how much those corporations tend to blow on said tournaments... why not simply buy the PC's and everything and have them JUST for the events, and reuse them?
@@wraithje 2:10 explain me how not a windows process can create overlay and show flashing dot in the corner. It’s not a keyboard that outputs the image to display LOL
so on the first over watch case there are move recording built into cheats that can replay their movement so he lined him self in the corner at the start of the round to bhop through vent
ya i like them having to go through the pain we are forced to go through lol, but if even the pros are blatantly cheating, doesn't that kinda just invalidate this whole game lol? Like what's even the point of playing if you're a legit player at that point? Like it makes all pro tournaments complete shams to knowingly allow cheaters, so why would a legit pro even play at that point, he'd know the money was already going to the team with the most cheaters so why would he even bother? Why would a regular player even bother if he knows that every level he tries to play at, even pro, will be infested with cheaters which ruin any semblance of competition or fun?
i could say at least 50% of the tournament’s team using cheat against each other, rather than catch them and brought a bad reputation to the business, some host just let the team using cheat as long as they don’t do it apparently. If you play the game long enough you could just know some of the shots or ‘game sense’ is impossible
If half the pros cheated, surely almost anyone involved in the tournaments would know right? So then you think the other half plus coaches plus managers plus talent plus TOs all know but nobody wants to speak out?
@@jonasba2764 yeah and it would be extremely difficult for a players girlfriend or family member to stay silent so it’s pretty much impossible to pull off
@@Sol4rFl4r3 show me something within the last year of a Tier One pro player (an actual pro) being caught cheating or actually getting banned. Oh wait you can’t.
It is obviously problematic topic. Im saying for some time players should not have too much freedom on those PCs, there should be custom and locked system with extensive loging. Its not bulletproof, but data analysis should be able to reveal if something is off the table. Its not impossible feat. Gather all input data and cross reference them with first person replay data. No cheat is perfect in mimicking player inputs, otherwise it wouldnt be very good cheat. Thats weakness.
@@wraithje the PCs will need to run those scripts, it will show in the running processes.. they could create a custom antimalware which could detect these scripts if the PC suddenly ran a wierd script
Waiting for people to use the really good hardware cheats. Android level aim bot. Glasses have a camera to record the screen for an aim and trigger bot. Earrings that pick up the slightest noise and converts it in almost real-time to a sonar like positioning of enemies. Rings that control hand movements for perfect recoil control and accuracy.
why not send a paper to everyteam once a year or so, letting them submit the peripherals they use, then the organizers can look at that list and supply what peripheral everyone use and they wont necessary need to buy mouse etc multiple times, just have a storage or so?
it's not something that can't be stopped...... all lan events must use hardware that is owned by the people running the tourny. anyone caught trying to use anything else should be banned for life and their team banned for life. all of a sudden the cheating stops......
Valve could of fixed the problem but they don't seem to want to. People shouldn't be able to just download the game, buy prime and play comp, they should have to rank to level 40 get a medal before they play comp or at least level 20 or 30 and additional to that they should have an anti-cheat software similar to battle eye or something like that, something very strong instead of this piece of crap debagger they have. They started doing pretty good job with the AI software but then they decided not to use it anymore for some reason...
Why not provide the entire set up? Anyone serious about competing will switch to that set up. Let competitors show up and cheaters can stay home. If cs is going to allow cheating there's no point in releasing cs2.
you could see the difference between when that guy used his bhop scripts and actually tried to jump himself, it was like pro to silver instantly lol. On a side note, I thought most people already knew about the whole hardware cheating thing and just assumed (like i did) that a lot of pros are already cheating this way and have been for awhile. I mean... ik of one tier 1 player who has been proven with evidence to be using this exact method, been exposed multiple times, his cheating is very obvious but nobody has ever done anything about it, that's Xantares. Besides the physical evidence, someone did a demo review of some of his online games, they weren't even looking for cheats, just were trying to do a highlight video lol, and whole thing was so blatant, he had to talk about it, but then the video got mass downvoted by Turkish people who won't accept any criticism of their "star player" lol.
So many players just won't admit that it's a skill issue. Play the game more and find out that the game is simple and the players that play non stop look like they cheat when they just play more than you.
there's always someone in every video like this lol, "sKilL IsSuE", bro you could be presented with physical evidence of pros using this exact method and you'd still be like "nah, they're just better" because there's this deep desire to vehemently defend the people your a fan of, because the alternative that they could be cheating, is too hard to except, it's actually very sad. All this video did btw was show it was possible to use this method to cheat at lan, if you aren't willing to even except it's a possibility, that's on you lol.
@@thekamotodragon I don't want to defend anyone who could possibly be cheating. I have seen in person how secure these events are and how its impossible to cheat. Not only do they have people watching their screens in person but they have a whole team watching their computer activity from inside. I have had the chance to face pros in Faceit and I can assure you that it's just them playing like gods. When you play 50-60 hours a week you have a good idea what the enemies are doing and where they will be. I think most casual players don't understand the skill gap from just good players to pros. When people don't see how or why someone became that good it's normal for them to accuse them of cheating because what you're seeing isn't fathomable until you see it yourself. I'm not defending my idols, I am defending pro csgo from people who think that its possible to cheat. If there is prize pools like they have you can guarantee that their isn't anyway to cheat
@@broman21 ok.... but using your own logic, i can see there's holes in what you're saying. I certainly acknowledge the pros and HUGELY better and put in the hours, never said they didn't but... how does people watching their screen stop cheating exactly? Are you saying that people watching will know what subtle cheating looks like? Because if so that's hilarious lol, you don't know about how advanced cheating has gotten then, nobody can actually tell anymore just by looking, aimbots now are so humanized and look so natural that's it's impossible to tell, esp on a low fov setting like the ones a pro would use, even worse, what if it isn't aimbot at all? What if his mouse just subtly ticks or vibrates every time his crosshair is on someone? There's a million ways cheats can get around people screen-watching, and there's even more ways to get around the people working in the "back room", all it takes is one cheater or cheat-maker to be more intelligent that the IT knuckleheads they hire to work these events, like look at Forsaken, dude was cheating in the most obvious way possible, with a file openly displayed on his computer, and they still missed it until he started just going blatant mid-match lol, imagine if he had done it more subtly... I honestly feel bad telling you all this btw, because i use to be you, and like you, I use to believe in and defend the integrity of the game, convince myself that all the time I put in was for a legitimate cause. It sucks to feel like YOUR game, the one you put thousands of hours into, is completely full of cheaters, scammers, and the entire scene lacks any integrity, but unfortunately, that's the reality. If you take a step back, you'd see we are already in that place, IBP happened, thousands of kids are getting scammed out of their skins every day, and pros have already been caught cheating in the past, I really hate to burst your bubble on this because ik how much it hurts but living in delusion isn't good either.
@@thekamotodragon Outside of the pro scene I agree. When I mean people are watching I mean they are watching, anything under question will automatically call for a tech timeout whether the player tabbed out and open his files or not they have people monitoring their computers. This isn't old csgo lan. You gotta understand that its now a multi million dollar industry in the pro gaming scene and if they didn't have a reason to assure us that pros arent cheating they definitely do now. No million dollar business will leave room for cheating. Maybe if the forsaken incident didn't happen maybe someone could've used cheats a little further on but the lengths to not only cheat but to not get caught on those stages is impossible. There is a reason we don't see anymore foresaken like events happening and if there truly was room for cheaters the other pros can sniff out cheaters and know something is up easily along with the teams DESIGNED to prevent cheaters. If it was just a lan event for a game I could see how people would still be able to cheat but things have changed and if you saw it first hand you'd know that the only person who can hack and not get caught is lester from gta. Do you think there is hackers at events from as recent as the IEM Rio Major?
@@broman21 man, i'm sorry to break it to you but i have physical evidence that there are some pros cheating, tbh i didn't watch all the Rio matches so idk for sure if there was cheating there or not, but was Xantares there? If so, then I think there were pros cheating. Xantares is one example of someone ik is 100% cheating in the pro scene and just has never been caught... well that's not true lol, many people actually have exposed him with evidence, including me, but nobody important ever listens or even bothers to look at the evidence and then the evidence usually gets mass downvoted by Turkish players because you dared criticize their "god". We have both physical evidence and demos that show pros are cheating currenty, idk about on lan, but definitely online, we have all the proof in the world, it's just that all high up people in the scene completely ignore it because the scene is completely corrupt. They think like you and completely write off any accusation with "git guud scrub". If you wanna know btw what "evidence" i'm referring to, i can tell you about at least my example Xantares. There's multiple demos reviews of some of his online games a few years ago where he was blatantly aimbotting, like Forsaken level bad, if it was just that btw, i wouldn't call it evidence, but the certainty came when vac sucks discovered he has multiple accounts on cheating websites, where he's a paying subscriber for their services and also one account had a picture on it, where he straight up posted a pic of himself using the cheats lol, undeniable proof. That was a few years ago, he's pretty dumb for that lol, so I'm sure he got some tips from others in the scene by now and switched to private, more discreet stuff. I can even link the demo of him going blatant... well i would if YT comments let me post links lol.
@@Spectrally1337 but how exactly would that work? You hide a motherboard under your shirt, sit down, cough loudly and quickly install it in the provided PC, while disguising the old mobo as a plate of assorted meats and cheeses? Disclaimer: I am not going to do this, I promise
It would easy for tournaments to provide new hardware for players. They could get the exact model that each player uses. Stop acting like it would be too difficult or expensive.
I am sure some use, people are talking of this issue for a long time, its to mutch money and pride in game!!! and non professional i have a prety good call that a bunch of players would be banned claming legit with there "smurf" and others with buyed "legit steam accounts".
@@wraithje overwatch does not ban, you can still blatantly cheat without any risk of a ban as long as a) ur cheat is not detected and b) u know what things vacnet bans for (mainly large fov aimbot and many types of antiaim right now)
we in india still feel bad for our players who were god tier and some were insane but foreskin ruined it all... but the racism was worst for us not gonna lie... still pains the shit outta me...
Pros, semi-pros and streamers are basically rich kids who can afford "league cheats" while playing on LAN and "legit cheat" while playing online. FPS Esports is a joke, if you're an average joe do yourself a favor and don't give your time and hard earned money to this frauds, WWE is more real than this joke industry.
First of all you are mixing hardware cheats with putting cheats on hardware and executing them from there. They just did the second and this is actually detectable by any decent anticheat. CSGO would just need one.
Ive been fucking saying this for years. I am a high elo player (over 3k) and I know some top streamers are fucking cheating and its obv for good players. Pros cant cheat on big tournaments because all of the inputs are unboxed and brand new.
in pubg everyone is using mouse software macros and its extremely sad... you can feel it when they keep headshot you with 2 3 bullets consistently from near and far.. even good players are using it and openly admitting it... even advicing you to use it too.. I can use it too with my mouse software but I dont want to and never will
funny thing: alot of people keep thinking nonames with 2-5k hours on steam with nice items are not cheaters 🤣 I mean alot of that players using legits, they are also streamers with overlays (behind scene of viewers, using wallhacks) and they know how to use it to how not to be cought 🤷 I stop playin so serious couse of that its horrible to play on LE or higher, also 8 lvl or higher is the same, Sometimes are equal matches but many times its something wrong with 1guy. 1Man army carrying others, the rest of 4 guys are just cover to not kill carrying man 🤣and now smurfing its just disgusting becouse never now he (opponent) really smurf (on le or 5lvl) or he just cheating everyone. Peace✌
The only ay to make it clean and competitive is not having any possible input into the machine by the players. New mice new keyboards. locked PCs. No internet. Mouse keyboard cams mouse pads with reference lines to see and compare actual input and the input displayed on screen internal close LAN New accounts. Direct supervision by a third party entity that actually enforces and makes these messures be applied correctly and base line test for all players. if streamers and pros were tested jnder these guides they would look o much less impresssive. cs is about game sense,awareness skills but also luck and gambles and no matter how good you are how much game senseyou have yoj will eventually clear the wrog side of the 50/50 angle and get rekt. These guys i see streamers pros crack guys in ranked never get unlcuky which is weird since it is a part of a game as anyother sport or game. If it wasnt fo luckminvolved thismand other games wouldnt be fun.
You can also do it via the phone, without it being plugged in. So there is no stopping that. Whoever does the isVisible checks is horrible with coding because it checks through material thickness var below 1.0. No testing limits, I cheated for oh 12+ years possible 16, trust me, them pros are not legit. Some charge $5k for a cheat for leagues.
Do you Think it’s fair losing 1 million 💰 because someone cheated and you played legitimately while they dident even try and you try as hard as you could
Tournaments just need to hire people who actually know what they are looking for. Anything brought into a tournament needs to be checked in and looked over.
Its a cat and mouse game, they catch someone, someone els finds a solution to get not busted till his solution gets busted then again someone els comes with another solution. Same with drug traffickers, they get busted they again find a solution or better hiding spot to traffic the drugs again till they get busted again, there is no fully stop for it.
all they care is the money
@@CiroDiMaRzio12304 drugs always go by paying people inside u never go on 50 % 50% chance like they show on them discovery docuementarys
they just need to give the guys new hardware and dont let them come with own
@@eltrappo9317 Worst decision ever, not everyone is used to the same keyboard, mouse, mouse pad etc.
For the hardware cheats (and cheating on tournaments in general), I think the Computers could be locked down much further. Something much more Kiosk like. For example a readonly RHEL system with only Xorg, Pulseaudio and CS:GO, that doesn't allow the execution of any other files, nor the loading of any custom kernel modules (e.g. drivers). Built-in recoil compensation in mouses will definitely still be achievable, but at least you'd probably be around the same level of hardening as e.g. a PlayStation
Yeah I complete agree.
It always surprises me that any execution of programs not controlled by some allowed list.
Whilst you point at how Linux can control this, the same is available on Windows as well (GPOs / AppLocker / WDAC / ASR). It just requires a IT tech who knows what they are doing.
Scripting of hardware is normally controlled by the software not the firmware. If the software was controlled, scripting is unlikely.
But even then, an acceptable firmware lists could be built.
If a hardware manufacturer wanted to be considered tournament ready, they'd need to provide signed firmware that offers no scripting.
what you are describing doesnt do shit, you can literally run a cheat on the mouse or keyboard itself.... nothing has to be loaded onto the computeer. so it doesnt matter what the coputer does...
@@rainingman338 the video showed examples of OS level hacks (scripting/word.exe) alongside firmware hacks.
But I included the hardware manufacturer in my comment
That is the layer that would offer protection, via the BIOS. That is where the protection would work. Dell for instance does hash verification.
In the case of firmware the computer does still matter, the OS does not.
another solution is simply just banning keyboards and mice with built-in memory chips
should've been easy, also their config is like available publicly for literally everyone to download on the internet, you just assign a computer to any AND ONLY THAT PLAYER to be used
@@ryujinayato1623 Banning peripherals with built-in memory chips would merely result in people just buying cheaper peripherals and having them modified with a chip that contains the cheat software.
The movement script is called a movement recorder. You can import known movement jumps that makes the movement for you.
Isn´t that completely boring? I´m not a pro by any means (currently MGII) and I could not imagine having a script doing shit for me. I always get excited when I nail a difficult jump mid game in pressure situations. Some kind of script would rob this exact feeling.
I´ve seen hundreds, if not thousands, of cheaters by now, but I could never get the motivation behind this behavior.
@@feuerfaustace1able isnt letting a program aim for you completely boring? Or a program finding out where all the enemies are? Cheating is boring. Cheaters are just too dumb or deluded to understand that it does not make them feel good for long.
From Valve: Set Deny rules for the following (can be set for the everyone group or the Windows user players will be using): powershell.exe, cmd.exe, cscript.exe [the script payload used in the documentary is C# run in powershell]. So the reason it is this "easy" is because this LAN is not following guidelines to secure it. If guidelines were followed then this script would be detected and blocked because powershell was executed.
An attacker using badUSB hardware is already limited by the size of the script to get it done fast. This script used a one-liner which does a benign function that will not trigger any security. The script just shows a flickering square dot. I can do something very similar through the console without powershell. In other words, that segment is bait. No actual cheat was running on LAN.
However, the full documentary did reference other cheats that attack the BIOS that DO bypass league anti cheats, but mostly in an online setting. I won't bother citing them here nor will I answer further questions about them or about hardware cheats.
Can you say this in English?
@@gunzishere no prob...
Från Valve: Ställ in avslagsregler för följande (kan ställas in för gruppen alla eller Windows-användare som spelarna kommer att använda): powershell.exe, cmd.exe, cscript.exe [skriptnyttolasten som används i dokumentären är C# körs i powershell]. Så anledningen till att det är så "lätt" är att detta LAN inte följer riktlinjerna för att säkra det. Om riktlinjerna följdes skulle det här skriptet upptäckas och blockeras eftersom powershell kördes.
En angripare som använder badUSB-hårdvara är redan begränsad av storleken på skriptet för att få det gjort snabbt. Detta skript använde en one-liner som gör en godartad funktion som inte kommer att utlösa någon säkerhet. Manuset visar bara en flimrande fyrkantig prick. Jag kan göra något mycket liknande genom konsolen utan powershell. Med andra ord, det segmentet är bete. Inget faktiskt fusk kördes på LAN.
Den fullständiga dokumentären hänvisade dock till andra fusk som attackerar BIOS och som DÅ går förbi ligans antifusk, men mest i en onlinemiljö. Jag kommer inte bry mig om att citera dem här och inte heller kommer jag att svara på ytterligare frågor om dem eller om hårdvarufusk.
@@kaisersoju thanks lot mate!
@@chips1 thanks for point me to that doc, had a good laugh
kaiser is everywhere
Someone’s been a very bad bad boy 😂 let’s see who gets caught next!
He wasnt caught cheating. That just was a demonstration that it would be possible
I remember the topic of hardware hacks being discussed in the CS:GO pro scene like 6 years ago. This just proves they've probably been doing it all along.
And some coke here and there helps with reflexes.
@@Tomasmoravia stop giving away the meth..ods.
@@BionicBurke It is crystal clear what is going on.
just provide the mice/keyboards, don't let the players use their own gear. if they need specific gear they or the team can pay tournament organizers to provide one that is verified. players can still use the gear they are comfortable with and it eliminates all possibility of this type of cheat, you would have to install it to the pc otherwise.
that's what I'm saying
Yep, it happens on all the big tournaments already
This exact method has been talked about for years. If it's never been implemented, then no one's actually serious about stopping cheats. It is the simplest answer and doesn't require insane man-hours to develop hardware anti-cheat.
You can also pay tournament organisers to swap said gear with yours. It is called bribe and it works in sports since money is on the line. Imagine how much can you make betting on underdogs with cheats. CSGO is just one big gamba scam.
I played cs go all year last year. The amount of cheaters and idiots makes it one of the most unplayable games. I love Counter-strike but damn do they need to do something about its current condition.
Im saying this the last 2 years at least...now is the outbreak but back in the time they were a lot of these useless monkeys cheaters!!
I think the only way to counter hardware cheats is to use hardware anti cheat. Some sort of shim device that plugs into USB and your mouse/keyboard has to be plugged into it like a USB hub. The device inspects/records HID protocol activity(basically keyboard and mouse input) and passthrough the inputs so there's no input delay. Of course the client side anti-cheat needs to verify the device and operating system so you cannot unplug it or plug in another keyboard.
If the device detects illegal/suspicious activities(i.e. injecting cheat program that isn't keyboard/mouse input) the device silently reports the time illegal inputs were made to the anti-cheat software on the PC. This way the officials could reverse engineer the inputs if something sus was found or reported after match ended.
But it's basically a keylogger(privacy and security issue), so it's opening a can of worm for users other than pros playing on tournaments. Before you say "how about the crazy hacks like self driving mouse with wheels", that wouldn't be possible on LAN matches anyways. And yes anything man-made could be defeated so smarter people need to outsmart the smart cheaters.
Was just going to type the same thing.
Wouldn’t cost much to have a inline “usb scan/monitor device” made and it can be hard wired into a mainframe PC dedicated to monitoring every lan players inputs in real-time against a algorithm coded with the games realistic human inputs and reactions.
That data can be easily collected from all online multiplayers of the game in a short period of time.
Far as everyone having to use the same keyboard/mouse I don’t have a issue with that.
Pros can’t bring their own baseballs, footballs, basketballs, etc when they compete. And the other equipment used is highly regulated and approved by the organization prior to being used.
fragadelphia has these but the only problem is ear buds as they are required when you play on stage and plug into the PC, that's about it though
that does nothing. You can make a kernel driver to spoof the dma hardware as a network adapter before windows ever boots. since the dma pcie devices also have ethernet ports, its impossible to detect.
@@STREAMERSARECHEATING just dont give them access to the machines before windows boot up
@@STREAMERSARECHEATING even better, dont give them windows machines to play, make a OS exclusive to the organization.
this has been a thing for a while. when the steelseries sensei came out with the arm processor onboard i wrote custom norecoil firmware for it and it was never detected at lan events or on mm/esea/faceit, and that was like at least 8 years ago now. you dont even need to execute it on the computer itself since it runs self contained on the processor within the mouse, and doesnt need to access any memory since the recoil patterns were hard coded into the mouse (they only worked for AK and M4, which were swappable by hitting the DPI button). pretty much anything that has an onboard cpu can do this, and since most keyboards and mice are super duper fancy rgb gamer stuff now, almost all of them have something powerful enough to run this kind of script.
The least of the worries are that a pro is using a no recoil script running on their mouse. The main worry is basically aimbot and/or triggerbot.
@@AG-ld6rv the worst thing is that you can even program a triggerbot to have a delay (like 100ms for example), making it practically impossible to detect by eye.
Wait how is that even possible? Like how do you even modify the mouse's onboard processor?
Hardware hacks have been around for years, all the pros use macros so it wouldn't be hard to put scripts into them. Tournaments should either scrutinise the hardware by a third party or be provide everything, the computers, the keyboards, mouse, on private lans that cant be attacked like the Navi Vs Heroic match in EPL. Navi accounts were targeted by DDOS. Either have a body to search and throughly scrutinise the hard ware or just have the tournament say it's their equipment or don't compete.
I mean, it's actually pretty simple. In live tournaments, everybody has to play with the same hardware, that is provided by the organizer. No personal hardware allowed and the problem is solved
Thank you for the insight of HH that also means that we as viewers have to watch closer at pro teams as well
I’ve seen so many cheaters in just Casual cs lately… So many noobs who rage toggle
So, something like this won't be stopped. It will reach a point (if it hasn't already) whereby a few people on the inside (organizers) are paid discretely to provide pre-configured hardware to a certain player. And no, something like this won't be detected even while the game is watched by millions. Pro players are spot on with almost everything gameplay related - the software used in the ESL scene is privately coded in a way that nobody will be able to pinpoint who's running something. And yes, there are currently one or two people in the ESL scene that are using third party.
Even when you take a look at invite-only software, what you're able to do is so discrete that an average Faceit Lvl 7 player (or anyone with decent enough Xhair placement, movement, knowledge, util usage etc) will not be seen as suspect.
When someone is running a 5% chance for every 4th bullet to connect for a headshot provided your Xhair is within a custom pre configured hitbox - and their spray pattern is near perfect as well as their pre-aim, Xhair placement, movement etc - you will never be able to tell, never. Overall this would just seem like a good player who has 10k hours in the game.
It is what it is, and it will stay this way.
Now it is wrose with cs 2 . If u can aim, u can never tell. Due to heavy ass and subtick
A potential solution would be to enact a requirement for the esport teams themselves to order the mice + keyboards for their own players to be delivered to the esports venue. The staff will open and set them up to the desired settings.
Broky in the last major had moments that made zero sense...this is going on already. Also that recoil script is obviously used by most "pro's". Ever watched the spam a wall and move a crosshair over while doing it....its like laser accuracy that just isn't possible when you look at the trails.
You know what would be a good way to end this? Force them to use completely new hardware. Don't let them bring in their peripherals, either provide a brand new identical one for use in the tournament or make the players use one from the sponsors. They should be able to adapt, if you want to really be the best, be ready for every situation.
this is alrdy the case since like 2017
You mean end CSGO pro scene? There are devices you can put on any mouse and it will compare mouse movements with in-game output. But then they will just bribe officials and dope beforehand. What peak sport is cheaters free? None. Some are just easier to do so, thus there will be more cheaters there.
While hardware may be inputting the cheat, it still is done via software (basically the keyboard is injecting code and running it on the PC, while the code came from the keyboard (usually via a script), it is still running on the PC as a script or executable, so it should still be detectible.) There should be some things that could be setup to stop this from working, disabling scripts, disabling access to command line/powershell, heck you might be able to make it so that only certain programs are able to run under the account (aka CSGO/Steam) and nothing else, treat the tournament computers like a corporate network computer, you can even force USB driver whitelisting to only allow certain brands/models of keyboards/mice.
only hardware cheats that use macros for no recoil, and rapid fire of a semi-auto would be able to really be done straight from hardware without any software needed. If its injecting code, its still software based even though it was done through a hardware attack vector.
its not run as a executable lmao if it was it would be just as detectable as any other cheat
and no, it does not run on the pc at all
i'd say tournaments should essentially offer a variety of keyboards and mice, and the individual players select them and book them in long before the tournament. yes it might limit some of their preferred mice, but they'll have a long period of time to get used to the mouse and kb they will have to use, lets say every tournament has like 5-10 standard options, people will likely practice with their regular favourites enough to be just as good with them as any other. outside of that, there's no way to fix this imo.
@MaybeShimo that makes no sense, how can it know if there is more data than "expected?" Explain how you would be able to tell if a minor aim correction was done by the player or not
@MaybeShimo the point is that it’s part of the mouse software and the input is not differentiable from inputs you make with your hand.
From what I know most major tournaments will check hardware before letting pros use them, even if they brought their own peripherals.
im glad time understood that it was more than a bhop script. it indeed was recorded movement. he just went to a marker *drawn by his esp* and holds a key and it would do the movement for him
Like any level playing field, they should already be using the exact same hardware. Without question.
You like f1? Guess what? All the cars are completely different, honestly mouse choice and keyboard choice is more personal preference, if someone actually chooses a mouse with high input latency, then that’s their own choice
@@Blue-hr9ch duh, yes they are different.... They follow a RULE BOOK that allows them to DESIGN their cars... Your analogy is so bad....
The players don't sit there and design their kit. They are paid to use manufacturers kit, in order for them to make money. If I need to explain it more, I'll try treat you like a 5 yr old next time.
@@graemepennell but the cars are so vastly different that the richest teams win, but nowadays, a £20 mouse is pretty much as usable as a £300 mouse, now one is better than the other sure but the difference is smaller than the large difference in f1 between the cars. Also yes companies monetise their mice and keyboards to the players, but that just makes it even more level because everyone’s then playing with high end mice. And just because it’s written they can be different, doesn’t mean it’s fair they’re different, now don’t be a cunt and actually discuss and think about what you’re actually saying
@@graemepennell also, do the drivers make the cars by hand, and design them by hand? No, so your analogy is even worse
@@Blue-hr9ch f1 is a bad analogy.. stock car racing would be a better one since they only use "stock" cars, and would fit OPs comment, and LAN since they use same builds.. cheating in a tournament is like putting a modded car in a stock car race, it would be totally unfair.. an F1 race where they could optimize everything is more comparable to an HvH game since everybody can "tweak" their builds
Team Spirit right now. Apart from sh1ro a bunch of nobodies that have suddenly become the best fragging and best tactical team ever
"Limit the players far to much" No, this is a logical flaw.
Every sport in the world has standardization, baseball, basket ball, foot ball.
The balls, the nets, the fields are specific, The ball weighs exactly the same from game to game, the bats are all specifically manufactured to standard.
I think pro gamers should be forced to use standardized equipment PERIOD, it's part of leveling the playing field.
Love your vids time but i got a question: Why is cheating not considered griefing? Its clearly disrupting the game for everyone else and therefore ruining the experience. The options listed under griefing are only examples, arent they?
I think griefing option is reserved for people who ruin the game without using exploits/cheats.
I think it’s horse shit, I had to come investigate bc I swear there’s tons of streamers if not all that are using some kind of cheats especially with recoil control
They also promote unregulated gambling sites.
I always KNEW that ScreaM had some hardware cheats installed in his system lmao. There's no way in hell he would be that good at the game plus even his shots were just unrealistic. This just confirms it.
2Head pepega. On big tournaments their devices are tested. Cope harder
if valve give shit about csgo maybe they will achieve something but it is better for them to make a csgo case than rather fight against the premium cheaters.
3:20 LMFAO Overwatch has legit been down for almost 3 years my dude
so after all the years we just know that flusha is better in coding than forsaken
in my opinion europe and NA should look at asia and make cheating illegal
If cheating in video games becomes illegal there is gonna be a huge spike in underage crime lol
hgahahahahah because thats gonna do shit?
Shooting some1 in the face is illegal in every country around the world, yet people still do it.
Even if they get the same mnk or controllers pro players should be scanned to make sure they don't bring inside anything. .
did i dream or did they mention in that documentary that normaly they dont bring their own stuff to tournaments?
See how that suspect in 3:24 smoothly glides his crosshair before starting hits godly movements? That's a moment recorder playback. I personally don't think it's an issue but I just want you all to know those moves weren't legit.
Why not have pros submit there mouse and keyboards for software inspections
Yeah i think these organizers have noob IT guys
@@PrivateJoker0119 unfortunately, true. Those vetting such IT professionals would have no idea nor real care on how to find fitting personnel.
@@ward7576 There always seems to be that one guy who makes videos about how to find the cheats for different games, could just hire them.
@@ward7576 It costs too much to hire IT guys who could keep up with this stuff.
People that cheat in competitions with a prize pool should face serious prison time, you cant change my mind.
Tournaments should just ban mice/keyboards/etc with ANY amount of onboard writeable memory. Companies could make "pro" versions of their peripherals for people interested in competitive esports, basically just with a firmware flash (probably?), and still sell the normal version for most people. And if your favorite mouse wasnt available? Tough luck, get something legal.
People could just take apart the mouse and put different internals ... bottom of the line cheaters always find a way around detection .... the real question is if any current t1 pros have ever tried such a thing.... honestly hardware hacks seem like something someone who is not top tier or confident in their natural ability would use. Seems like the top players in the world would be risking their entire career for no reason if they are naturally good enough to be there in the first place.
@@The_Albino_Dino maybe they would have a way to whitelist firmware versions
@@TKDWolf possibly I guess we are gonna need some actual reason for them to take things more serious ... gonna need another forsaken but in a big tournament or it will probably just remain the same assuming everyone is legit
@@The_Albino_Dino Imagine, being a "top" player and trying to be "natural". Sleep, drink your coffee and go to the tournament where you could win life changing money, oh and you are legit, you will play natural, while knowing that the enemy team might be cheating, meaning it takes away any chance you had at winning lol. Everyone cheats when $$ is involved.
@@Sol4rFl4r3 yeah except the one huge hole in your theory is that pro players are payed the same win or lose on salary and yes there is incentive to win the tournament and get a bonus, however, it would be extremely risky / counterproductive for a tier 1 pro to attempt cheating at a tournament as it would end their career. This is why on the rare occasions hacks have been found in pro cs it’s usually in games in tournaments for lower tiers as gamers are trying to make it to the top to make the big money you speak about in any way they can and the risk of being caught as a cheater is actually worth the reward of winning in their eyes. I don’t think a single pro in tier 1 scene has any reason to need cheats because they are already insane players and it’s almost impossible to hide cheats while everyone is watching your pov and you are trying your hardest to win … eventually you would make a mistake expose yourself as cheating and it would be game over. Maybe in other esports it’s different but I’m pretty sure in the very top levels there is no hacking in tournaments and it’s mainly tier 2-3 and players trying to make it into the top tier who resort to these efforts.
Days without mentioning forsaken: *zero*
That awkward moment when you realize that the mouse and keyboard a person at a tourney uses at home doesn't matter, and if everyone is playing on the same system with the same mouse and keyboards? Would it not be more Sportsman like then? I mean EVERYONE would be competing with ONLY skill then.
And considering just how much those corporations tend to blow on said tournaments... why not simply buy the PC's and everything and have them JUST for the events, and reuse them?
Lmao the logi macro days. I knew a few Rank G players back then who were pretty much playing on auto pilot
I was lookin at it and I was like: "That better not be titanfall that he's playing"
Bruh imagine cheating in titanfall
In the overwatch league player tell blizzard what keyboard and mouse they want and they fix it for them
What they showed in documentary is not a hardware hack. And it can be detected by admins remotely by looking up processes of the PC
it doesnt run as a process lol
@@wraithje 2:10 explain me how not a windows process can create overlay and show flashing dot in the corner. It’s not a keyboard that outputs the image to display LOL
so on the first over watch case there are move recording built into cheats that can replay their movement so he lined him self in the corner at the start of the round to bhop through vent
Im pretty sure akh scripts are allowed on most logitech mouses and you can easily make bhop and no recoil script with out getting vac banned
first ow, he knew too much but his movements were kinda legit
except the pre recorded ones when he goes backwards
Just let the pros cheat. They should get to enjoy the mm experience as much as the rest of us.
ya i like them having to go through the pain we are forced to go through lol, but if even the pros are blatantly cheating, doesn't that kinda just invalidate this whole game lol? Like what's even the point of playing if you're a legit player at that point? Like it makes all pro tournaments complete shams to knowingly allow cheaters, so why would a legit pro even play at that point, he'd know the money was already going to the team with the most cheaters so why would he even bother? Why would a regular player even bother if he knows that every level he tries to play at, even pro, will be infested with cheaters which ruin any semblance of competition or fun?
vacsucks prob going nuts rn
i could say at least 50% of the tournament’s team using cheat against each other, rather than catch them and brought a bad reputation to the business, some host just let the team using cheat as long as they don’t do it apparently. If you play the game long enough you could just know some of the shots or ‘game sense’ is impossible
skill issue
If half the pros cheated, surely almost anyone involved in the tournaments would know right? So then you think the other half plus coaches plus managers plus talent plus TOs all know but nobody wants to speak out?
@@jonasba2764 yeah and it would be extremely difficult for a players girlfriend or family member to stay silent so it’s pretty much impossible to pull off
@@broman21 there's plenty of videos of pro's cheating lmfao
@@Sol4rFl4r3 show me something within the last year of a Tier One pro player (an actual pro) being caught cheating or actually getting banned. Oh wait you can’t.
sort of a grey area... They supply all of the PCs. A major really cant afford like 5K in keyboards and Mice to be used for an entire year?
BiG Clan left the video.
It is obviously problematic topic.
Im saying for some time players should not have too much freedom on those PCs, there should be custom and locked system with extensive loging. Its not bulletproof, but data analysis should be able to reveal if something is off the table. Its not impossible feat. Gather all input data and cross reference them with first person replay data. No cheat is perfect in mimicking player inputs, otherwise it wouldnt be very good cheat. Thats weakness.
Norwegian league and the team enthelechy also proved this.
There is rule: if they could, they did.
And it was quite common knowlage that Flusha was hiding hax in his Mouse in 2015
All pcs that are provided by the toirnament people to jave built in a sandbox windowad environment that only allows cs exe to run and nothing else.
he will get a skeet invite soon like the kid who rage hack in tournaments before
Isnt there a way for PCs to prevent running a specific script? Or atleast monitor what scripts are running on those PCs while tournament is happening?
no since the script never enters the pc
@@wraithje the PCs will need to run those scripts, it will show in the running processes.. they could create a custom antimalware which could detect these scripts if the PC suddenly ran a wierd script
4:01 100% triggerbot with 0ms reaction time or 0.01 at the most.
So where can I watch the documentary? Please link it
That is easily doable with the rasberrypi keyboard
Waiting for people to use the really good hardware cheats. Android level aim bot. Glasses have a camera to record the screen for an aim and trigger bot. Earrings that pick up the slightest noise and converts it in almost real-time to a sonar like positioning of enemies. Rings that control hand movements for perfect recoil control and accuracy.
Where is the source? Why didn't you add a link to the documentary?
I am looking for it
why not send a paper to everyteam once a year or so, letting them submit the peripherals they use, then the organizers can look at that list and supply what peripheral everyone use and they wont necessary need to buy mouse etc multiple times, just have a storage or so?
they dont use the same stuff every year or all year around
it's not something that can't be stopped...... all lan events must use hardware that is owned by the people running the tourny. anyone caught trying to use anything else should be banned for life and their team banned for life. all of a sudden the cheating stops......
Gotta develop a way of wiping hardware clean
Valve could of fixed the problem but they don't seem to want to. People shouldn't be able to just download the game, buy prime and play comp, they should have to rank to level 40 get a medal before they play comp or at least level 20 or 30 and additional to that they should have an anti-cheat software similar to battle eye or something like that, something very strong instead of this piece of crap debagger they have. They started doing pretty good job with the AI software but then they decided not to use it anymore for some reason...
Why not provide the entire set up? Anyone serious about competing will switch to that set up. Let competitors show up and cheaters can stay home. If cs is going to allow cheating there's no point in releasing cs2.
you could see the difference between when that guy used his bhop scripts and actually tried to jump himself, it was like pro to silver instantly lol. On a side note, I thought most people already knew about the whole hardware cheating thing and just assumed (like i did) that a lot of pros are already cheating this way and have been for awhile. I mean... ik of one tier 1 player who has been proven with evidence to be using this exact method, been exposed multiple times, his cheating is very obvious but nobody has ever done anything about it, that's Xantares. Besides the physical evidence, someone did a demo review of some of his online games, they weren't even looking for cheats, just were trying to do a highlight video lol, and whole thing was so blatant, he had to talk about it, but then the video got mass downvoted by Turkish people who won't accept any criticism of their "star player" lol.
Shroud is another one. Extremely obvious cheater if you know what to look for.
So many players just won't admit that it's a skill issue. Play the game more and find out that the game is simple and the players that play non stop look like they cheat when they just play more than you.
there's always someone in every video like this lol, "sKilL IsSuE", bro you could be presented with physical evidence of pros using this exact method and you'd still be like "nah, they're just better" because there's this deep desire to vehemently defend the people your a fan of, because the alternative that they could be cheating, is too hard to except, it's actually very sad. All this video did btw was show it was possible to use this method to cheat at lan, if you aren't willing to even except it's a possibility, that's on you lol.
@@thekamotodragon I don't want to defend anyone who could possibly be cheating. I have seen in person how secure these events are and how its impossible to cheat. Not only do they have people watching their screens in person but they have a whole team watching their computer activity from inside. I have had the chance to face pros in Faceit and I can assure you that it's just them playing like gods. When you play 50-60 hours a week you have a good idea what the enemies are doing and where they will be. I think most casual players don't understand the skill gap from just good players to pros. When people don't see how or why someone became that good it's normal for them to accuse them of cheating because what you're seeing isn't fathomable until you see it yourself. I'm not defending my idols, I am defending pro csgo from people who think that its possible to cheat. If there is prize pools like they have you can guarantee that their isn't anyway to cheat
@@broman21 ok.... but using your own logic, i can see there's holes in what you're saying. I certainly acknowledge the pros and HUGELY better and put in the hours, never said they didn't but... how does people watching their screen stop cheating exactly? Are you saying that people watching will know what subtle cheating looks like? Because if so that's hilarious lol, you don't know about how advanced cheating has gotten then, nobody can actually tell anymore just by looking, aimbots now are so humanized and look so natural that's it's impossible to tell, esp on a low fov setting like the ones a pro would use, even worse, what if it isn't aimbot at all? What if his mouse just subtly ticks or vibrates every time his crosshair is on someone? There's a million ways cheats can get around people screen-watching, and there's even more ways to get around the people working in the "back room", all it takes is one cheater or cheat-maker to be more intelligent that the IT knuckleheads they hire to work these events, like look at Forsaken, dude was cheating in the most obvious way possible, with a file openly displayed on his computer, and they still missed it until he started just going blatant mid-match lol, imagine if he had done it more subtly... I honestly feel bad telling you all this btw, because i use to be you, and like you, I use to believe in and defend the integrity of the game, convince myself that all the time I put in was for a legitimate cause. It sucks to feel like YOUR game, the one you put thousands of hours into, is completely full of cheaters, scammers, and the entire scene lacks any integrity, but unfortunately, that's the reality. If you take a step back, you'd see we are already in that place, IBP happened, thousands of kids are getting scammed out of their skins every day, and pros have already been caught cheating in the past, I really hate to burst your bubble on this because ik how much it hurts but living in delusion isn't good either.
@@thekamotodragon Outside of the pro scene I agree. When I mean people are watching I mean they are watching, anything under question will automatically call for a tech timeout whether the player tabbed out and open his files or not they have people monitoring their computers. This isn't old csgo lan. You gotta understand that its now a multi million dollar industry in the pro gaming scene and if they didn't have a reason to assure us that pros arent cheating they definitely do now. No million dollar business will leave room for cheating. Maybe if the forsaken incident didn't happen maybe someone could've used cheats a little further on but the lengths to not only cheat but to not get caught on those stages is impossible. There is a reason we don't see anymore foresaken like events happening and if there truly was room for cheaters the other pros can sniff out cheaters and know something is up easily along with the teams DESIGNED to prevent cheaters. If it was just a lan event for a game I could see how people would still be able to cheat but things have changed and if you saw it first hand you'd know that the only person who can hack and not get caught is lester from gta. Do you think there is hackers at events from as recent as the IEM Rio Major?
@@broman21 man, i'm sorry to break it to you but i have physical evidence that there are some pros cheating, tbh i didn't watch all the Rio matches so idk for sure if there was cheating there or not, but was Xantares there? If so, then I think there were pros cheating. Xantares is one example of someone ik is 100% cheating in the pro scene and just has never been caught... well that's not true lol, many people actually have exposed him with evidence, including me, but nobody important ever listens or even bothers to look at the evidence and then the evidence usually gets mass downvoted by Turkish players because you dared criticize their "god". We have both physical evidence and demos that show pros are cheating currenty, idk about on lan, but definitely online, we have all the proof in the world, it's just that all high up people in the scene completely ignore it because the scene is completely corrupt. They think like you and completely write off any accusation with "git guud scrub". If you wanna know btw what "evidence" i'm referring to, i can tell you about at least my example Xantares. There's multiple demos reviews of some of his online games a few years ago where he was blatantly aimbotting, like Forsaken level bad, if it was just that btw, i wouldn't call it evidence, but the certainty came when vac sucks discovered he has multiple accounts on cheating websites, where he's a paying subscriber for their services and also one account had a picture on it, where he straight up posted a pic of himself using the cheats lol, undeniable proof. That was a few years ago, he's pretty dumb for that lol, so I'm sure he got some tips from others in the scene by now and switched to private, more discreet stuff. I can even link the demo of him going blatant... well i would if YT comments let me post links lol.
The mouse and keyboard makes sense, but how do you install cheat software on a computer during a tournament?
via motherboards etc etc
@@Spectrally1337 but how exactly would that work? You hide a motherboard under your shirt, sit down, cough loudly and quickly install it in the provided PC, while disguising the old mobo as a plate of assorted meats and cheeses? Disclaimer: I am not going to do this, I promise
@@ximbabwe0228 IIRC he just plugged in a usb drive when nobody was looking
It would easy for tournaments to provide new hardware for players. They could get the exact model that each player uses. Stop acting like it would be too difficult or expensive.
Then you just need blood tests and the bribes will just fly your way.
I am sure some use, people are talking of this issue for a long time, its to mutch money and pride in game!!! and non professional i have a prety good call that a bunch of players would be banned claming legit with there "smurf" and others with buyed "legit steam accounts".
thats why i already feel that many player use macro even in valorant many player use macro not get banned
damn he just banned skripe's alt account.
overwatch still doesn't ban anyone, its just used to gather information for vacnet
@@Linda- it gathers info and bans but the bans have to be like 85% of people said they were cheating or something still
@@fujster no, it doesn't ban as long as you dont do stuff thats detected by vacnet
@@Linda- it does tho, you cant "detect" a swirl of your mouse
@@wraithje overwatch does not ban, you can still blatantly cheat without any risk of a ban as long as a) ur cheat is not detected and b) u know what things vacnet bans for (mainly large fov aimbot and many types of antiaim right now)
we in india still feel bad for our players who were god tier and some were insane but foreskin ruined it all... but the racism was worst for us not gonna lie... still pains the shit outta me...
Everyone knows that even pros cheat in CS. Everyone cheats in CS
Pros, semi-pros and streamers are basically rich kids who can afford "league cheats" while playing on LAN and "legit cheat" while playing online. FPS Esports is a joke, if you're an average joe do yourself a favor and don't give your time and hard earned money to this frauds, WWE is more real than this joke industry.
logitech still has mouse scripting tho
anything can be used as cheat, you can tell your coach to use shitty gpu that drops fps to 30 when enemy is right behind wall
First of all you are mixing hardware cheats with putting cheats on hardware and executing them from there. They just did the second and this is actually detectable by any decent anticheat. CSGO would just need one.
that would be... if the code was detected, which it is not. and probably wont be ever. as it is privately coded only used by one person
maybe you can share the link of the original video or at least give credit to them for that..? :)
They could literally just add a couple people to screenwatch
they do.
cheats dont have to do anything with the screen
Ive been fucking saying this for years. I am a high elo player (over 3k) and I know some top streamers are fucking cheating and its obv for good players.
Pros cant cheat on big tournaments because all of the inputs are unboxed and brand new.
I'm 100% sure Shroud has been cheating his whole career.
documentary link???
Dan M talked about this 7 years ago n retarts thought he was trolling lol
Why don't they just use linux, lol. Doesn't even have to be custom. Just any linux build
in pubg everyone is using mouse software macros and its extremely sad... you can feel it when they keep headshot you with 2 3 bullets consistently from near and far.. even good players are using it and openly admitting it... even advicing you to use it too.. I can use it too with my mouse software but I dont want to and never will
funny thing:
alot of people keep thinking nonames with 2-5k hours on steam with nice items are not cheaters 🤣
I mean alot of that players using legits, they are also streamers with overlays (behind scene of viewers, using wallhacks) and they know how to use it to how not to be cought 🤷
I stop playin so serious couse of that its horrible to play on LE or higher, also 8 lvl or higher is the same, Sometimes are equal matches but many times its something wrong with 1guy.
1Man army carrying others, the rest of 4 guys are just cover to not kill carrying man 🤣and now smurfing its just disgusting becouse never now he (opponent) really smurf (on le or 5lvl) or he just cheating everyone.
Peace✌
The only ay to make it clean and competitive is not having any possible input into the machine by the players.
New mice
new keyboards.
locked PCs.
No internet.
Mouse keyboard cams
mouse pads with reference lines to see and compare actual input and the input displayed on screen
internal close LAN
New accounts.
Direct supervision by a third party entity that actually enforces and makes these messures be applied correctly
and base line test for all players.
if streamers and pros were tested jnder these guides they would look o much less impresssive.
cs is about game sense,awareness skills but also luck and gambles and no matter how good you are how much game senseyou have yoj will eventually clear the wrog side of the 50/50 angle and get rekt. These guys i see streamers pros crack guys in ranked never get unlcuky which is weird since it is a part of a game as anyother sport or game. If it wasnt fo luckminvolved thismand other games wouldnt be fun.
nice vid
Bro stop 🤣
ofc they use cheats on lan lmao its obv
Bring back better PS/2 gaming keyboard and mouse, which is better than 1000hz KB and mouse also prevents such hacks in LAN tournaments.
You can also do it via the phone, without it being plugged in. So there is no stopping that. Whoever does the isVisible checks is horrible with coding because it checks through material thickness var below 1.0. No testing limits, I cheated for oh 12+ years possible 16, trust me, them pros are not legit. Some charge $5k for a cheat for leagues.
So whats wrong about hacking in a tournament?
Do you Think it’s fair losing 1 million 💰 because someone cheated and you played legitimately while they dident even try and you try as hard as you could
@@lougou7698 Yeah I think its fair.
@@TheRealAn1maL ok edgelord
@@TheRealAn1maL 😂
s1mple is using it
Shit why you asking cuz we all know half the pros got where they are by cheating and buying themselves time to get good