Also SAE J2807 is not the only standard they are probably testing and adhering to, there are far more standards in question here. SAE J266, J684, J1491, J2638, J135, J134, J2664 which likely remain unmentioned? Perhaps even some ISO standards too?
I would really like to see you guysmake "Payloads" as a regular part of yor reviews. Payload is much more important to me than towing. Be it a slide-in camper or hauling construction stuff around.
@@BeachJedi101 2000 lb payloads aren't unheard of in the half ton range. my dad loaded 2100 lbs of stone into his once. the truck won't enjoy it but it can absolutely be done
@Todd S Thank you Todd. I was thinking that even though towing at max capacities, due to the hitch/tongue distribution the vehicle is not at its max payload. Furthermore, in the video, the weight is centered over the rear axel. What about when your entire bed is taken up by cargo and you need to shift lanes? I would think that there will be a much more significant shift of weight from side to side make vehicle more unstable. Also, what about if you carry max payload even with the top of the cab? Then the center of gravity changes and leading to the vehicle behaving differently as well. Just a few thoughts.
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@@sergiovazquez398 and it's a steeper test than what they are supposed to do anyway, but on a wet surface, might be a different story. That's a hell of a lot of weight to be held by the rear tires alone. Never forget your wheel chucks.
Great episode. Nice to see someone doing more than driving this stuff up and down the road giving their opinion of the vehicle. I though I recognized the engineering explained dude in the back seat.
I love the interior of that ram .i have a 2012 ram 3500 manual transmission i love it tows anything i put at it. Had 3 f-3500 2 automatics and 1 manual . All 7.3s the only ones i bought.
I take it you never towed heavy on an incline. It's not brake torque as if you were getting ready to launch for a race, it's applying forward motion and torque to the wheels to prevent the entire rig from rolling backwards when releasing the brakes. What they did is quite normal for heavy towing since there is never enough torque at idle, no matter how powerful the engine is, to overcome the weight.
@@buckhorncortez was thinking the same thing... does that mean they stay there til something brakes and then hammer it? or hold the brakes, hammer down, and go. otherwise, no idea what Break Torquing is. ;)
I want to know what the frontal area is of the trailers used to test on the Davis Dam heat grade test here in AZ. It is one thing to tow at max with a flatbed loaded with concrete blocks or steel, and that same weight with a big frontal area like a RV or cargo trailer. That frontal area was the Achilles heal of the LLY Duramax. The cooling stack was way undersized and that series of engines would overheat. Guess how I know.
@Quinn Lemon Even if the brakes kept the tires from rotating at 12° and it slid, that would be a fail on the test. Holding the truck and trailer steady is a pass.
I'll always remember this guy in my hometown in Llano Texas that worked on diesels. He had his ram so suped up, he could burn tires while going 70mph down the road.
Nice vid. I'm a ram guy, I own 5 different models for my company. But... It would be great if all the OEM's told consumers...oh yeah we can charge you $60-$80K for your new truck off the showroom floor BUT it's illegal as hell for you to actually tow the weight you just paid to tow. Any trailer over 10,0000 lbs requires a Class A CDL commercial drivers license. It would be really nice if there manufactures got together to lobby Congress to change the federal law that's over 30 years old and outdated. To make it legal for home owners and business people to legally pull the trailer and weight their brand new $80,000 truck can safely pull. And stop making lawbreakers out of millions and millions of people every day.
I remember when the F350 and the other 1 ton trucks came out with a 10k gooseneck towing capacity (cant remember the year, late 80's early 90's maybe) and I thought that was pretty insane considering the trucks I grew up around (I'm 46). I can remember riding with my Dad as we pulled a camper with a C10 Chevy and it was dicey at times. Fast forward to today and my camper that's much heavier, my F150 doesn't really even work hard to pull it. Engineering is pretty cool.
jmurphy1973 I have a 97 F-350 my Dad ordered it in 96. I was with him and did the camper package, off road package, 7.3, standard, 4x4, and 4.11’s in a XLT trim. I was amazed then at 10,000 lbs for a trailer towing. Now it’s my truck and it’s slow by today’s standards it’s funny actually. I will keep it as long as I’m alive.
I know id love to see those old trucks put thru these tests, to see the real towing capacities of them. I own a old gmc 1 ton. It can pull a house, but the stopping and turning, and handling is another story
@@JAMESWUERTELE We bought a brand new '96 F250 PSD that we thought was the shizz, and for '96 it was. Pulled a 20' tandem axle trailer with it every day and it never gave us any trouble. Loved that thing.
Yup slapped some more leaf springs on my old dually 12 valve thing tows 20k like its nobody's business still using old tech from back in the day just with some engine mods.
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Anyone else notice on the test of the parking brake going down hill, yes the brakes held but the truck still slid a few inches. Power to weight is gonna become an issue if its pushed much further
On the downhill, the trailer is leveraging weight off the rear axle. At some point in the not-too-distant future, truck manufacturers are going to have to switch to a hydraulic parking brake and use all axles, not just the rear.
@@thomabb ahh that makes sense. Didn't fully think of that and yes that makes sense for the way trucks will have to be held in the near future. Thanks for the thoughts.
@@tortue71 wrong. Semis have parking brakes on the trl as well as the truck. The pick up in the video passed. A semi with only one axle parking brake would be placed out of service and heavily fined.
@@stoney2732 two axles on tractor and two on the trailer, in semis four axles holding parking weight. That was actually impressive for the truck to hold that amount of weight back with only one axle of parking brake.
I didn't realize how detailed this towing testing is, great video very interesting. That Cummins is such a great engine, why does it only come in a Ram truck :(
@@davidharris9259 Uhhh 68RFE, airbags, and a self-ejecting tailgate would all disagree 🤣The truck is garbage. The engine is fine. Ford has the 6.0 and 6.4 meaning only the Duramax/Allison is the only one without a terrible history plus the IFS rides so much better.
Scott L no the only truck that is garbage is gm trucks, every gm truck I have had had transmission problems. Ifs the best that's your opinion. Government motors will always be last of the big 3 get over it.
@@davidharris9259 Keep in mind though Allison transmissions are completely different than the rest of the transmissions GM use. they're made for heavier duty vehicles (even seeing class 8 semis with them now)
@@davidharris9259 get over what? How many 6.4 Ford's still out there? Have you bulletproof a 6.0 powerstoke? I have. And when you Google 68RFE the first post is a forum asking not if but when it goes bad... You're smoking crack if you think gm is the worst.
you guys should add a real world braking test to go along with the Ike Gauntlet. something like 45 to zero without trailer brakes to get a pure result of the trucks ability. if you used standard weights on the trailer we could compare different brands. they all have the power to go uphill, but stopping is a lot more important.
That test going around the circle at 50 mph is a flawed test since they are using a low center of gravity flat bed with flat steel plates to keep the center of gravity unrealistically low, no one tows that trailer setup, do a big box trailer or a heavy 5th wheel camper and I guarantee that truck can't handle high sided trailers in those corners at that speed. They are really just wanting to keep pushing the tow ratings higher and higher aren't they?
In a truck-trailer combo, the truck doesn't prevent the trailer from a rollover. With a gooseneck, the trailer only exerts a single point of force (at the ball). The hitch and ball has total degree of freedom. With a tall gooseneck trailer, the truck would "feel" it the exact same way. Up to the point where the trailer actually flips.
I thought the same thing... Only thing that is that load is drill pipe... Other then that it's horse trailers. Campers or better yet equipment.... Put a tractor on it and do it... Although this is better then what it used to
Considering my parking brake on my 2016 4Runner can't even hold mine empty on a much smaller incline, I'd say I'm very impressed with and jealous of that parking break performance
Awesome video I just bought a 2018 2500 6.7 I'm watching with envy. Mine will never tow that kind of weight but as a heavy equipment float operator this video was well done..
Good Episode for sure, but for RAM we need to see for the “avoidance” test a much bigger movement or even a bigger movement and a brake test at the same time.
I’m glad the manufacturers use a standard test for towing ratings now. Years ago it was a crap shoot if the numbers were realistic. But I’m shocked to find out the braking test is done from 20 mph. I want to know that I can stop while going downhill at 65 mph. Is it possible for you to add a highway speed braking test to the Ike gauntlet? Thanks for these informative videos.
So what would happen if you actually need to brake from a highway speed? Would the brakes melt and not work? But still get a pass because it was able to do the 20-0 test. No real obstacle avoidance test? I undestand you can tow 30,000, but it does not seem safe in any challenging situation with a tow vehicle like this.
Ohh just have to add this on, a combination of Exhaust Braking, Engine Braking, and using the Truck and Trailer brakes would most definitely slow it down safely and 100% no overheating would occur.
HEY TFL I don't know if you guys have checked but Ford has the configurator up & running for the 2020 F150 but it's kind of wonky because they haven't even revealed the truck yet and if you check out fords website you will see what I mean.
So I would presume if it fails any of the tests, they either lower the weight or adjust the tow vehicle? This would explain why you can have more horsepower or torque than a competitor but a lower tow rating.
You should do a video on How Ford does it I’m curious to see how they stack up next to each other Ram vs Ford especially on the uphill stop and go test Curious to see Fords V8 Powerstroke again Rams in-line 6 Cummins ???🤔🤔🤔
Thanks for the info on how they do the SAE testing. But what is the power brake deal to load the turbo? Customers just put there trucks in gear and go.
It really is impressive what these light duty trucks can do these days. Just imagine what the ram 5500 should be able to do. I'm still a Ford guy but the Rams can def pull their weight.
So ok it's good to see that without trailer brakes the truck will stop that load BUT that was only from 20-0mph on flat ground. I wanna see if it can stop that load without trailer brakes going down a 7% grade going anywhere between 40-50mph within a reasonable distance.
This video was AWESOME! Very informative and I respect ram for allowing y'all to do it. Now, I want to see versions from ford and chevy/gmc to compare "apples to apples" haha
Another awesome vid, thank you Inwould love to see tye Dam test in 110 degree weather.....I have towed in that kinda heat and its always a lil sketchy when pulling grades. At least in my truck.....I am seriously considering purchasing a 2020-21 Ram 3500 HO with the Aisin with 4:10 gears......I am currently towing a 16K 5th wheel with an 06 Ford F350 with the 6.0..Its at 140K miles on it.....I have been very lucky so far.....but its starting show her age.....SO, I am looking to go with dodge versus back to Ford I am really impressed with what Dodge has done.
The only problem with this test is the trailer it is towing. That is an absolute ideal load. They need to use a box trailer as well. Wind resistance on the front of the trailer and side winds are the real challenges when reaching maximum towing capacity. I bet with half that weight an a full 40ft 5th wheel the driver would feel way less comfortable towing.
I have been looking in to this my self, I recently purchased a brand new Toyota Tacoma 6 speed manual V6. Looking at the payload and towing numbers and comparing to the Hilux. Obviously completely different trucks, there is a huge difference. They do share a powertrain with the 2.7 4-cylinder. The 2.7 Hilux has greater numbers than even the Tacoma V6.
I drive the Davis Dam test route every day going back and forth to work. Like to see that trailer go up that hill in July or August when it is 118 degrees outside.
Toyota was the first company to be SAE J2807 compliant in 2010. All the other BIG 3 took years to be compliant, and, It pulled the 292,000 pound Endeavor spacecraft with a 1/2 ton Tundra! Crazy how GMC is using a 3500 Dually Denali to pull a 225,000 lb boat in a commercial to sell their truck in 2019!
Is there a minimum tow rating for the trucks they don't test? Because the new HD Suburban had several upgrades (3.73 to 4.10, larger axles, bigger brakes) yet the tow ratings are now less than the payload rating. Only full-size vehicle I know to have a payload rating higher than the tow rating.
That was very interesting. I totally enjoyed the video and much thanks to you Tommy, your cameraman an TFL.
I felt bad that he said a videographer rather than Richard
Who's the creep in the back seat?! Great work Tommy!
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Engineering Explained oh it is EE lol
I came to the comments to see why both of you posted a similar video simultaneously. I know what I'm doing next. Best for last
Who’s that creep in the front passenger ;) Thanks for working on this with us Jason, pleasure as always!
Also SAE J2807 is not the only standard they are probably testing and adhering to, there are far more standards in question here. SAE J266, J684, J1491, J2638, J135, J134, J2664 which likely remain unmentioned? Perhaps even some ISO standards too?
this dodge ad is way better than those "real people" chevy ads.
They get it, doin what ford has done for almost ten years. They should all showcase testing.
Let’s be honest it isn’t hard to beat that when it comes to truth or believe ability
@@derekwood3189lol like the million pound towing capacity on an electric f 150.
A lol I'm die hard chevy but I'll take the Cummins over the durajunk any day of the week I guess that's the trucker in me
@@Dachamp2001 Especially since its a straight 6. The V8s have more top end but you want that low end torque and straight 6 reliability.
The rams engineers voice makes me wanna drive a truck 15x more
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I would really like to see you guysmake "Payloads" as a regular part of yor reviews. Payload is much more important to me than towing. Be it a slide-in camper or hauling construction stuff around.
Agree. Now that you mention it, it seems payload isn't really tested much anywhere that I've seen.
Seriously my boss was trying to drop an 1800 pound crate in the back of my chevy 1500. I said no.
@@BeachJedi101 2000 lb payloads aren't unheard of in the half ton range. my dad loaded 2100 lbs of stone into his once. the truck won't enjoy it but it can absolutely be done
@Todd S Thank you Todd. I was thinking that even though towing at max capacities, due to the hitch/tongue distribution the vehicle is not at its max payload. Furthermore, in the video, the weight is centered over the rear axel. What about when your entire bed is taken up by cargo and you need to shift lanes? I would think that there will be a much more significant shift of weight from side to side make vehicle more unstable. Also, what about if you carry max payload even with the top of the cab? Then the center of gravity changes and leading to the vehicle behaving differently as well. Just a few thoughts.
That’s hard to do since payload varies so much depending on trim and equipment, it would be since for them to mention it though
I watch all of y’all’s videos and I have to say this was one of the best ones yet. This was awesome content to see how these manufacturers determine their numbers. Huge shoutout to FCA for all of these behind the scenes videos they have allowed y’all to do and for breaking down exactly how they do it.
William Mathew - Couldn’t agree more. It’s neat to see the manufacturers starting to integrate/interact with the well-known TH-cam community for better sharing of information. Special thanks to FCA here for spending the time and money to do this for us.
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The truck actually slid on the downhill when the emergency brake was on.
You caught that also
Big Injun just a little, stills very safety
@@sergiovazquez398 and it's a steeper test than what they are supposed to do anyway, but on a wet surface, might be a different story. That's a hell of a lot of weight to be held by the rear tires alone. Never forget your wheel chucks.
If you've got to park that much weight on a grade like that, you'd be remiss not to have wheel chocks for the trailer and truck.
Big Injun it slid but the brakes held. So the test passed
I really like that TFL and Engineering Explained are doing videos together!
Great episode. Nice to see someone doing more than driving this stuff up and down the road giving their opinion of the vehicle. I though I recognized the engineering explained dude in the back seat.
The lift on the front of the truck at 6:12 was amazing to see. I really thought the front end was gonna come off the ground.
I love the interior of that ram .i have a 2012 ram 3500 manual transmission i love it tows anything i put at it. Had 3 f-3500 2 automatics and 1 manual . All 7.3s the only ones i bought.
I love these technical videos. it adds consumer confidence that these trucks really can perform exactly how they have prescribed.
Thank you tfl for breaking this test down for us , very impressive !!!!!!
Let’s talk about temps?
Longevity?
Can this happen 1,000 times?
I’d love to see an up/down torture test for 24 hours.
Duh it's a Ram. A Ford would have broke down just hooking a trailer to it.
I dont care what brand it is. The BS exhaust systems are the garbage leveling the playing field cause them all issues
@@muds17 the exhaust systems are steadily improving but still aren't where they need to be
@@sho942000 it's funny how half the new ram owners I know that tow heavy have had to replace their aisin transmission already
Chris Beatty cough* bullshit *cough!
“ we want this to be exactly as the customer would operate the vehicle”
Brake torques pulling 31,000 pounds.
Dane Pittman cause every time I tow 31,000 pounds I break torque it every time I stop and floor it
I take it you never towed heavy on an incline. It's not brake torque as if you were getting ready to launch for a race, it's applying forward motion and torque to the wheels to prevent the entire rig from rolling backwards when releasing the brakes. What they did is quite normal for heavy towing since there is never enough torque at idle, no matter how powerful the engine is, to overcome the weight.
Would be even better if you understood that vehicles have BRAKES and not BREAKS...nothing was broken in the test...
@@buckhorncortez was thinking the same thing... does that mean they stay there til something brakes and then hammer it? or hold the brakes, hammer down, and go. otherwise, no idea what Break Torquing is. ;)
@@buckhorncortez ha ha ha
I want to know what the frontal area is of the trailers used to test on the Davis Dam heat grade test here in AZ. It is one thing to tow at max with a flatbed loaded with concrete blocks or steel, and that same weight with a big frontal area like a RV or cargo trailer. That frontal area was the Achilles heal of the LLY Duramax. The cooling stack was way undersized and that series of engines would overheat. Guess how I know.
Check out the video around 9:01 -- they put up a chart from the J2807 standard which has the minimal frontal area depending on weight of the trailer.
The truck slides at 8:02
you can actually see the brake lights come on and the slide only stopping once the hydroboost brakes are applied.
starts sliding as soon as the brakes are released and stops once the hit them again. Although if the test is 12% grade it probably would have held.
@Quinn Lemon You dont say!
Just a little, but still very safety
@Quinn Lemon Even if the brakes kept the tires from rotating at 12° and it slid, that would be a fail on the test. Holding the truck and trailer steady is a pass.
I'll always remember this guy in my hometown in Llano Texas that worked on diesels. He had his ram so suped up, he could burn tires while going 70mph down the road.
Nice vid. I'm a ram guy, I own 5 different models for my company. But... It would be great if all the OEM's told consumers...oh yeah we can charge you $60-$80K for your new truck off the showroom floor BUT it's illegal as hell for you to actually tow the weight you just paid to tow. Any trailer over 10,0000 lbs requires a Class A CDL commercial drivers license. It would be really nice if there manufactures got together to lobby Congress to change the federal law that's over 30 years old and outdated. To make it legal for home owners and business people to legally pull the trailer and weight their brand new $80,000 truck can safely pull. And stop making lawbreakers out of millions and millions of people every day.
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Great VIDEO. This allowed me to see just how they test these trucks as far as towing the Gross weight. Thanks for putting this out there!
FANTASTIC video. Look at 7:55 the down hill park brake test. The tires don't move but the truck slides down the hill about 5 inches.
7:42. A LOT of people rewatched that to see that truck start to slide!!! i wouldnt say thats a pass but it is 3% more grade.
I remember when the F350 and the other 1 ton trucks came out with a 10k gooseneck towing capacity (cant remember the year, late 80's early 90's maybe) and I thought that was pretty insane considering the trucks I grew up around (I'm 46).
I can remember riding with my Dad as we pulled a camper with a C10 Chevy and it was dicey at times.
Fast forward to today and my camper that's much heavier, my F150 doesn't really even work hard to pull it. Engineering is pretty cool.
jmurphy1973 I have a 97 F-350 my Dad ordered it in 96. I was with him and did the camper package, off road package, 7.3, standard, 4x4, and 4.11’s in a XLT trim. I was amazed then at 10,000 lbs for a trailer towing. Now it’s my truck and it’s slow by today’s standards it’s funny actually. I will keep it as long as I’m alive.
I know id love to see those old trucks put thru these tests, to see the real towing capacities of them. I own a old gmc 1 ton. It can pull a house, but the stopping and turning, and handling is another story
@@JAMESWUERTELE We bought a brand new '96 F250 PSD that we thought was the shizz, and for '96 it was. Pulled a 20' tandem axle trailer with it every day and it never gave us any trouble. Loved that thing.
Yup slapped some more leaf springs on my old dually 12 valve thing tows 20k like its nobody's business still using old tech from back in the day just with some engine mods.
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Anyone else notice on the test of the parking brake going down hill, yes the brakes held but the truck still slid a few inches. Power to weight is gonna become an issue if its pushed much further
Semi's don't have much traction in this case either...
On the downhill, the trailer is leveraging weight off the rear axle. At some point in the not-too-distant future, truck manufacturers are going to have to switch to a hydraulic parking brake and use all axles, not just the rear.
@@thomabb ahh that makes sense. Didn't fully think of that and yes that makes sense for the way trucks will have to be held in the near future. Thanks for the thoughts.
@@tortue71 wrong. Semis have parking brakes on the trl as well as the truck.
The pick up in the video passed.
A semi with only one axle parking brake would be placed out of service and heavily fined.
@@stoney2732 two axles on tractor and two on the trailer, in semis four axles holding parking weight.
That was actually impressive for the truck to hold that amount of weight back with only one axle of parking brake.
When you drive past the Chelsea proving grounds, unless you read the signage you think it is a prison.
kinda like the Eaton proving grounds in Marshall 20 years ago
It kinda is Hell for those trucks being tested.
At 8:20 his “this” was equal to that of a Doug DeMuro 😂😂
Lmaoooo
I thought my video changed!!
Tim S me too 😩😂
thats too funny lmao
What is even more awesome is deleting the emission BS and give her a tune and watch it work. Its amazing what these trucks can do.
wow
the parking brake skidded a little but held!
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I am totally in love with the new Ram that Cummins is some serious stuff just love the whole truck combined.
Very cool nice to see that they’re testing
I love my 2020 1500 Ram
8:00 it started sliding down the hill a bit, still held it though!
I didn't realize how detailed this towing testing is, great video very interesting.
That Cummins is such a great engine, why does it only come in a Ram truck :(
sfakach t because ram is the best truck out there. Best engine for the best truck ,Ram number 1.
@@davidharris9259 Uhhh 68RFE, airbags, and a self-ejecting tailgate would all disagree 🤣The truck is garbage. The engine is fine. Ford has the 6.0 and 6.4 meaning only the Duramax/Allison is the only one without a terrible history plus the IFS rides so much better.
Scott L no the only truck that is garbage is gm trucks, every gm truck I have had had transmission problems. Ifs the best that's your opinion. Government motors will always be last of the big 3 get over it.
@@davidharris9259 Keep in mind though Allison transmissions are completely different than the rest of the transmissions GM use. they're made for heavier duty vehicles (even seeing class 8 semis with them now)
@@davidharris9259 get over what? How many 6.4 Ford's still out there? Have you bulletproof a 6.0 powerstoke? I have. And when you Google 68RFE the first post is a forum asking not if but when it goes bad... You're smoking crack if you think gm is the worst.
Thanks for clearing things up! We all look at the numbers but never really go in debt.
you guys should add a real world braking test to go along with the Ike Gauntlet. something like 45 to zero without trailer brakes to get a pure result of the trucks ability. if you used standard weights on the trailer we could compare different brands. they all have the power to go uphill, but stopping is a lot more important.
Great video! I have wondered how the tow ratings were calculated and did not know there was a SAE standard. Very cool.
That test going around the circle at 50 mph is a flawed test since they are using a low center of gravity flat bed with flat steel plates to keep the center of gravity unrealistically low, no one tows that trailer setup, do a big box trailer or a heavy 5th wheel camper and I guarantee that truck can't handle high sided trailers in those corners at that speed. They are really just wanting to keep pushing the tow ratings higher and higher aren't they?
In a truck-trailer combo, the truck doesn't prevent the trailer from a rollover. With a gooseneck, the trailer only exerts a single point of force (at the ball). The hitch and ball has total degree of freedom.
With a tall gooseneck trailer, the truck would "feel" it the exact same way. Up to the point where the trailer actually flips.
I thought the same thing... Only thing that is that load is drill pipe... Other then that it's horse trailers. Campers or better yet equipment.... Put a tractor on it and do it... Although this is better then what it used to
With Engineering Explained!?!?! Awesome!! Two of my favorite channels coming together is just too cool.
Great video!
Love that Cummins does this with two less cylinders than the competition. Beast of a truck
Most important part is the brakes... Anyone can make something that can accelerate with a load
Straight 6 makes more torque than a v8 if you knew anything about diesels
Considering my parking brake on my 2016 4Runner can't even hold mine empty on a much smaller incline, I'd say I'm very impressed with and jealous of that parking break performance
Amazing video .I love ram trucks thank you for all you hard work
Awesome video I just bought a 2018 2500 6.7 I'm watching with envy. Mine will never tow that kind of weight but as a heavy equipment float operator this video was well done..
Good Episode for sure, but for RAM we need to see for the “avoidance” test a much bigger movement or even a bigger movement and a brake test at the same time.
One of your best informational videos , good job Tommy
Awesome, good to see you guys 'teaming' up with Jason from EE.
Nice truck. Ram is just knocking it out of the park right now. Hope ford, GM, Nissan, And Toyota get in the spirit of awesome design.
I’m glad the manufacturers use a standard test for towing ratings now. Years ago it was a crap shoot if the numbers were realistic. But I’m shocked to find out the braking test is done from 20 mph. I want to know that I can stop while going downhill at 65 mph. Is it possible for you to add a highway speed braking test to the Ike gauntlet? Thanks for these informative videos.
I have the 2022 version of that truck. Towed with it this week and love it.
My next new truck will be a Ram, lol. This was a very impressive and entertaining video. Fyi, I'm a Chevy guy.
This is actually better than the over produced and glamourized ford and chevy tests
So what would happen if you actually need to brake from a highway speed? Would the brakes melt and not work? But still get a pass because it was able to do the 20-0 test. No real obstacle avoidance test? I undestand you can tow 30,000, but it does not seem safe in any challenging situation with a tow vehicle like this.
Exhaust breaking would be taking some of the work from the brakes. These newer trucks have an automatic exhaust braking system.
Ohh just have to add this on, a combination of Exhaust Braking, Engine Braking, and using the Truck and Trailer brakes would most definitely slow it down safely and 100% no overheating would occur.
@@MurphysLawIsAGod i still won't feel safe letting any dumbass tow 30k with just a pickup going over
60 mphs
HEY TFL I don't know if you guys have checked but Ford has the configurator up & running for the 2020 F150 but it's kind of wonky because they haven't even revealed the truck yet and if you check out fords website you will see what I mean.
All these manufacturers did the same tests then the best truck really comes down to reliability in the long run
Nice to see Egon doing truck reviews between ghost call outs.
At 7:57 the truck slides for a couple seconds down the hill. Look closely.
Thanks for showing the stability system with a trailer, I never knew about it until dealing with vary high winds, it was like my RAM was put on rails!
For a newer quieter Cummins, it sure sounds good. 😍
That amount of weight should have an air brake truck pulling that loaded
My thoughts exactly. Even a single screw freightshaker would be an improvement.
So I would presume if it fails any of the tests, they either lower the weight or adjust the tow vehicle? This would explain why you can have more horsepower or torque than a competitor but a lower tow rating.
Killer B The Cummins it’s better than others
You should do a video on How Ford does it I’m curious to see how they stack up next to each other Ram vs Ford especially on the uphill stop and go test Curious to see Fords V8 Powerstroke again Rams in-line 6 Cummins ???🤔🤔🤔
Must be the same since they all agreed on these standards.
Thanks for the info on how they do the SAE testing. But what is the power brake deal to load the turbo? Customers just put there trucks in gear and go.
This was really in-depth and a lot of the engineering explained!
It really is impressive what these light duty trucks can do these days. Just imagine what the ram 5500 should be able to do. I'm still a Ford guy but the Rams can def pull their weight.
Can’t wait to get my 3500 longhorn
Super cool test info. thanks for the video.
7:56 Brake holds, but tires loose grip
So ok it's good to see that without trailer brakes the truck will stop that load BUT that was only from 20-0mph on flat ground. I wanna see if it can stop that load without trailer brakes going down a 7% grade going anywhere between 40-50mph within a reasonable distance.
It probably wouldn't be able to. That's a very unreasonable expectation.
12:31 Over-steer would result in a "jack-knife", correct?
Yes the trailer will want to keep moving forward, it will simply push the rear of the truck out of it's way and spin it around.
Perfect weather perfect conditions.
I love to race with my gooseneck from a dig. Seems feasible lol
I can't wait to buy this truck next year will do my trade In and save bout 10k or 15k or to put down. I WILL HAVE THIS TRUCK!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
This video was AWESOME! Very informative and I respect ram for allowing y'all to do it. Now, I want to see versions from ford and chevy/gmc to compare "apples to apples" haha
The ram engineer guy has got to be the one in the truck commercials
Very Cool Work Tommy!!!
Interesting. I always passively wondered how they rated that. Good info!
Another awesome vid, thank you Inwould love to see tye Dam test in 110 degree weather.....I have towed in that kinda heat and its always a lil sketchy when pulling grades. At least in my truck.....I am seriously considering purchasing a 2020-21 Ram 3500 HO with the Aisin with 4:10 gears......I am currently towing a 16K 5th wheel with an 06 Ford F350 with the 6.0..Its at 140K miles on it.....I have been very lucky so far.....but its starting show her age.....SO, I am looking to go with dodge versus back to Ford I am really impressed with what Dodge has done.
I love the RAM5500HD limited 4x4 but that 3500HD is nice too!😉👍
When you show a steep grade like the 15% you should add a level reference to the photos to point out the steepness.
The only problem with this test is the trailer it is towing. That is an absolute ideal load. They need to use a box trailer as well. Wind resistance on the front of the trailer and side winds are the real challenges when reaching maximum towing capacity. I bet with half that weight an a full 40ft 5th wheel the driver would feel way less comfortable towing.
Really interesting,..thanks TFL-T and Tommy ( of course!)
Intresting. Cool to see that ram pull the grade then hit second.
Love the A-Ok hand gestures!
Even RAM workers hates the tow mirrors up
I have been looking in to this my self, I recently purchased a brand new Toyota Tacoma 6 speed manual V6. Looking at the payload and towing numbers and comparing to the Hilux. Obviously completely different trucks, there is a huge difference. They do share a powertrain with the 2.7 4-cylinder. The 2.7 Hilux has greater numbers than even the Tacoma V6.
I drive the Davis Dam test route every day going back and forth to work. Like to see that trailer go up that hill in July or August when it is 118 degrees outside.
Exactly how can the J2807 test for a constant 100F when rhe pavement tenperatures are going to vary over that course?
That Ram, WOW, Beautiful!!!! Coming from Ford but that Ram is so nice!
At 7:56 you can see the truck being pushed down the hill with the e-brake engaged. Scary!
This was a great video. I really liked to see how the manufacturers test these trucks
Now this is a channel crossover I can get behind!
What a freaking beast truck.
Toyota was the first company to be SAE J2807 compliant in 2010. All the other BIG 3 took years to be compliant, and, It pulled the 292,000 pound Endeavor spacecraft with a 1/2 ton Tundra! Crazy how GMC is using a 3500 Dually Denali to pull a 225,000 lb boat in a commercial to sell their truck in 2019!
What an absolute beast!
Is there a minimum tow rating for the trucks they don't test? Because the new HD Suburban had several upgrades (3.73 to 4.10, larger axles, bigger brakes) yet the tow ratings are now less than the payload rating. Only full-size vehicle I know to have a payload rating higher than the tow rating.
Awesome video!!! Super informative
Cool! Thanks for the commentary.
Great work as always Tommy! Thank you
Who is the video guy or girl? Give them a shoutout TFL. LOL