Honestly you're the only person in the betting sphere making this kind of content. It's refreshing and real, I'll always be a fan. Also, RE: getting limited even though you're negative: If anything, I think it's the most beneficial situation for the book. Not only did they take your money, but they've managed to limit someone who could potentially take that money back over time. So there should be an even bigger incentive for them to do stuff like that.
@@WinterLumikki-p5y Poor kids... The quicker you learn to handicap ball games yourself and not have to come to TH-cam to regurgitate other handicappers picks you will see improvement.
As someone that only does arbitrage bets, it doesn't make sense to be limited on sportsbooks. I win and lose on each book. It's not like I am robbing them of a ton of money in one day or winning every bet placed.
This was a great video but I do gotta say, as someone who makes accounts for ppl and uses them with their consent, it is worth it, but it's a pain. I've made over 6 figures since basketball season has started this year and have gone through 7 ppl in that amount of time. Each person I get a refurbished phone, new data plan and have to use all there info.
@@shloimycapland8491 are u using the same WiFi on the refurbished phones? and also are u puttin your address when u make the accounts , I be confused on how the process even works
@pocketsurprise3805 I've been giving ppl 7 percent of the net profit, Ive tried giving less but ppl aren't willing to deal with the headache unless they think they'll be getting good money.
Thank you this was good information. I think another thing that helps is taking over an account that’s been active for a while and not doing positive e.v. or arb bets.
Boss, some folks have operations with pallets of burner phones and assistants to stand next to them, just to touch the screen, so they stay logged in. This is what the books fight against.
@@steveduke6803 right, but books should focus their effort and attention on setting good lines. If you set good lines then you welcome as much action as possible. But that’s for another video 😂
In theory, you are correct. In reality, it takes just 1 bet, and everyone in upper management is fired. Check out the roullette strategy called reverse Labouche. The one the casinos fear, but super unrealistic, for any normal gambler. Pro or amateur. They fear it, because it worked once. That's all it took.😊
I've never had issues with using the same wifi. but yes you have to have separate devices. whether it's another phone that you use just for wifi, or a separate computer. And you have to use different deposit methods.
If they see a female placing the “square” bets you did, they know someone is using her account. The female winning sports bettor is so rare that if they actually saw it, they would not believe it
@ no that is what they do. If the account is winning they will discriminate but it is more likely than not that someone is using the account. I understand that a woman could theoretically be as successful as a man but it kind of like how there are less women in STEM careers. It is REALLY unlikely that one one choose to pursue it. The female cappers on Twitter are MOSTLY fakes. The books know this
@ also, fanatics won’t give you bonus bets if you are a woman when you sign up. They give the casino free spins instead automatically. I’ve seen it twice
So refreshing to see this take on the sport betting community. I’ve tried EV betting for about three weeks now and have only truly made 200 dollars in profit because of variance. Live arbitrage betting is less likely to get banned than pregame betting right? If so, what bet size (or total bets) are you able to get on live arbitrage bets to make 200 in a day?
I find foreign basketball is good. I love live betting the total points in the quarter. I look for them to start cold n then bet the over at a good plus money price.
That’s really unfortunate. US sounds messed up not going to lie. In Canada, I have never had these issues. God bless pinnacle. Sorry about these issues. I don’t think I could live in the US with how terrible the laws are for gambling.
Keeping a new account clean is an art and no offense but you were setting yourself up for failure using the same wifi as two previous accounts. Their system is going to flag that immediately, tbh I'm surprised you lasted longer than 24 hours.
Yeah I’m limited on every promo to $5-$10 on DK and FD. Even when it’s some bs sgp promo where you can’t even really get an edge. I just quit betting all together because I just liked just hitting every promo
@ I was reading that there might be workarounds with a dedicated IP and changing the ports. If you find a solution that works just let me know. I have a few side accounts ready to be made but I want to make sure they don’t flag me from the start
When you bet live are u seeing the 5-10 second delay (feels like 1 min) for the book to accept the bet? Arbitrage live? If so do u hit go on both sides or wait for the first side to get accepted first?
@@mikeg1872 depends on the book. Fanduel is almost instantly. DK is slower. Some books, are like 15 seconds. I try to stick to just fd and DK when live arbing
Can you just use the hotspot from your phone instead of wifi? I have an old phone (no service) so I think I could use the hotspot from my current phone onto the old phone on a new account?
You mentioned grinding for $200 (most of which was on a middle, suggesting you make less than that usually) in a given day. Is that juice worth the squeeze in arbing? How many hours do you put in per day?
@@Xxclover13xX valid question. I suppose it comes down to perspective. Grinding arbs it worth it to me because it promises results (ignoring maybe human error or line moving against you so you hedge at a small loss). If I spend an hour arbing I know (for the most part) I’m going to make money. So that squeeze will result in juice. Now, the amount that satisfies your thirst may be different than mine. Before a kid I could grind for hours and hours. Now, after bed is what I get. 8-10pm when all the games are on is usually good for me
Great video. Its always same examples of the EV and arb people on oddsjam trying get regular guys to do it and it just doesn't work the same for most people. Value is not always value 😢
Its not that people should know that it's about not being scammed and treated unfairly in situations when you did nothing wrong but being treated in that manner
Idk why sportsbooks even care about arbitrage. Unless you're using a bonus bet and betting both sides on the same book, why does it matter to them? You're not ONLY going to win on their sportsbook every time.
Does this only happen to some people? Because I’ve been EV betting for little of 3 months now and am in + profit by like 1k and I have never came across this issue?
@@hennigod8957 I think there’s a lot at play usually. A month is still “early” to some degree if it’s your first account. But if you’re betting only straights and getting CLV and placing bets that lots of others are placing then it’s usually typical to be limited within a year. Could last longer though!
Find a different many making method or use offshore books if you want to arb. This is exactly what I tried to say you should've highlighted in your arb betting videos.
Exactly 💯. I got a guy whose up $50k+ this month supposedly EV only betting. Its nuts, most people cant do this tho and get multiple people on board. Ashame they limit so quick. Wish could get a FD and DK account again 😢. Burner phone and need a different name and address i assume to try this ?
@@jiggyjess4801 really hard to say. And different for everyone, different for each sports season, hard to give an exact number. There are people who legit make 6 figures on limited accounts live arbing. I’d consider that a full time job. I think $100-$200 a night from 7-11pm is reasonable during basketball season. But that’s completely anecdotal
@ interesting, would u say it would take longer for the kambi books to limit u if u just straight up Live arb, assuming that’s what the people that makes 6 figures do
It's not easy but on a p1 - live ev I've cleared 25k 3 months in a row..34k this month. It's a full time job brother. I don't have the skillset for any job that makes over 100k per year so this is an insanely blessed opportunity for me. Who knows how long it will last tho.
@@cedriclapine2807 great question - I don’t know. I suppose, in theory, that would prevent the mobile workaround. But since people do that, I’d say no. But doesn’t mean it’s not going to soon 🙄
You are correct lm limited on mgm in 30 days off bettting on about -200 odds that hit about 70%. I was doing $100 per bet now im limited to about $30 a bet now 🤬😭😂
When you start winning ALOT draftkings use to let me boost with whatever i wanted then you win and now my boosts are 5-25$ max fanatics lets me boost up too 200$ depending on the boost percentage but 10-20% boosts let me do any size wager.. they can take my money anytime they want but when i start taking theirs they get mad...ban or limit
@@superstock1986 I think I “know how” but it involves patience and “losing” in some respects. I don’t want to waste money trying to get a book off my trail.
Take it from someone that’s been banned from two major books and online fantasy books by winning in the millions . And has far as a casino or the books your betting with they know your betting arbitrage makes you an advantage players in there eyes . So you not being banned for the money your winning
You deserved it bro I’ve been in the Sportsbook business for 30 years from working in Sportsbooks managing books and being an odds maker . Just do the right thing and wager money properly . There not banning you for winning little parlays and using promos . You stole from them period .
So when I win I'm stealing, but when the Sportsbooks take my money, it's not stealing - it's entertainment? C'mon man! WTF is "wager money properly"? Betting negative EV plays and dumb parlays? You're REALLY saying "only bet in such a way that the sportsbook makes money! Guess I should say "oh, sorry Mr. Sportsbook. I took advantage of the crap line you posted and then hedged it on another book. I'm ashamed! I'm a criminal! You did everyone a service with your comment though. You prove that the Sportsbooks are out to find losing players, period! So unlike the filings you send to the state gaming commissions saying that you only make your money from the vig you add to every single bet! Cant be happy with that though, huh? You have to kick off every player who actually knows what they are doing. You can still make money on those players though. Pinnacle sure does. But all of you sportsbooks have the gaming commissions in your pocket and make sure that Pinnacle will never get into this country. Why dont YOU do the right thing and work harder to set your lines properly, make your money off the vig only, stop limiting, and stop taking advantage of those addicted by throwing even MORE promos at them I'm a sharp bettor in my 60s, averaging 50k a year. I want to thank you personally for helping fund my retirement. Would LOVE to debate you in a video. GMG can moderate ;)
@@greenmeansgosports Thank you for reading the whole long thing (lol). This post may make a good follow up video topic? I know you don't do guests, but would love to discuss this stuff with you. You're someone who "gets it". Been doing sports betting for a while and made tens of thousands (and yes been limited a bunch) Keep up the good fight!
Oh look, another "successful" sports handicapper boasting about himself getting limited everywhere he bets. Its incredible that ive never really ever met a consistent winning punter but the second i turn on the old youtube machine theres thousands of them. Aren't we all so lucky we have a seemingly endless plethora of bettors to choose from. Guess ill go quit my dayjob now because im about to be living on a yacht boooiii
@@greenmeansgosportsyou close on what’s really going with the guys selling the picks and showing and telling people to go on sleeper prize picks etc. it’s not that there using them in a matter of speaking the cappers that promote those are getting up to 25% of the people they send loses trust me lol
Honestly you're the only person in the betting sphere making this kind of content. It's refreshing and real, I'll always be a fan.
Also, RE: getting limited even though you're negative: If anything, I think it's the most beneficial situation for the book. Not only did they take your money, but they've managed to limit someone who could potentially take that money back over time. So there should be an even bigger incentive for them to do stuff like that.
appreciate that very much - and yeah, you're exactly right. I just don't want to admit these books have that big of a brain lol
I win $250-300 a week on average for years now. Never been limited or suspended
Have you been arbitrage betting or +EV?
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I'll take things that never happened for a $100 Alex
@@WinterLumikki-p5y Poor kids... The quicker you learn to handicap ball games yourself and not have to come to TH-cam to regurgitate other handicappers picks you will see improvement.
Nicely done, brother. Let it be KNOWN!💰🔥💯
As someone that only does arbitrage bets, it doesn't make sense to be limited on sportsbooks. I win and lose on each book. It's not like I am robbing them of a ton of money in one day or winning every bet placed.
This was a great video but I do gotta say, as someone who makes accounts for ppl and uses them with their consent, it is worth it, but it's a pain. I've made over 6 figures since basketball season has started this year and have gone through 7 ppl in that amount of time. Each person I get a refurbished phone, new data plan and have to use all there info.
@@shloimycapland8491 are u using the same WiFi on the refurbished phones? and also are u puttin your address when u make the accounts , I be confused on how the process even works
Wow. Do you give them kickbacks for doing that and how much? Just wondering how that side of it works.
@pocketsurprise3805 I've been giving ppl 7 percent of the net profit, Ive tried giving less but ppl aren't willing to deal with the headache unless they think they'll be getting good money.
Stumbled upon your show. Wow refreshing and honest loved it. Keep up the great work. You got a subscriber.
Love the content as always. I sometimes wonder if the more prevalent cappers have agreements with the books because they are encouraging gambling.
Shills are always a possibility.....
Thank you this was good information.
I think another thing that helps is taking over an account that’s been active for a while and not doing positive e.v. or arb bets.
Boss, some folks have operations with pallets of burner phones and assistants to stand next to them, just to touch the screen, so they stay logged in. This is what the books fight against.
@@steveduke6803 right, but books should focus their effort and attention on setting good lines. If you set good lines then you welcome as much action as possible. But that’s for another video 😂
In theory, you are correct. In reality, it takes just 1 bet, and everyone in upper management is fired. Check out the roullette strategy called reverse Labouche. The one the casinos fear, but super unrealistic, for any normal gambler. Pro or amateur. They fear it, because it worked once. That's all it took.😊
People get limited for all types of things, I have been limited on books as well as other colleagues and none of us do +EV betting
Hit the first TD bet and the bet reset this past weekend, only to wake up on Monday with the entire promo section now gone.
@@jepark7751 come on in, the waters…FREEZING 🥶
I agree with you 100% these cappers not being transparent at all. Also I got limited on ESPN when I was down! Keep dropping the content bruh.
I've never had issues with using the same wifi. but yes you have to have separate devices. whether it's another phone that you use just for wifi, or a separate computer. And you have to use different deposit methods.
If they see a female placing the “square” bets you did, they know someone is using her account. The female winning sports bettor is so rare that if they actually saw it, they would not believe it
@@NBLPicks I actually do wonder how often they use the info. Wildly sexist but interesting nonetheless
@ no that is what they do. If the account is winning they will discriminate but it is more likely than not that someone is using the account. I understand that a woman could theoretically be as successful as a man but it kind of like how there are less women in STEM careers. It is REALLY unlikely that one one choose to pursue it. The female cappers on Twitter are MOSTLY fakes. The books know this
@ also, fanatics won’t give you bonus bets if you are a woman when you sign up. They give the casino free spins instead automatically. I’ve seen it twice
Mmmm this is interesting and would make a ton of sense
So refreshing to see this take on the sport betting community. I’ve tried EV betting for about three weeks now and have only truly made 200 dollars in profit because of variance.
Live arbitrage betting is less likely to get banned than pregame betting right? If so, what bet size (or total bets) are you able to get on live arbitrage bets to make 200 in a day?
I find foreign basketball is good. I love live betting the total points in the quarter. I look for them to start cold n then bet the over at a good plus money price.
@@g-mode5047can you explain more about this? Do you have somewhere I can message you?
great video, content is on point!
That’s really unfortunate. US sounds messed up not going to lie. In Canada, I have never had these issues. God bless pinnacle. Sorry about these issues. I don’t think I could live in the US with how terrible the laws are for gambling.
Keeping a new account clean is an art and no offense but you were setting yourself up for failure using the same wifi as two previous accounts. Their system is going to flag that immediately, tbh I'm surprised you lasted longer than 24 hours.
The best part of this video is the description of Ryan something. 😂
You use any offshore books?
Yeah I’m limited on every promo to $5-$10 on DK and FD. Even when it’s some bs sgp promo where you can’t even really get an edge. I just quit betting all together because I just liked just hitting every promo
Please look at exchanges. Exchanges won’t work for a lot of your methods ( ie promos ) but you won’t get limited.
I hate the fact that they ban you as soon as you win half the money they made of you 😂
Would a VPN work for marking output IP address? Or are these books not allowing you to sign in while on a VPN?
@@simpleoptions7386 the latter. VPNs usually get you completely blocked out
@ I was reading that there might be workarounds with a dedicated IP and changing the ports. If you find a solution that works just let me know. I have a few side accounts ready to be made but I want to make sure they don’t flag me from the start
Atleast it’s a month in Australia the books give you max a 100$ deposit match and you will get limited within 2 weeks if your lucky
lol
Fantastic video. I’m limited/promo banned on every legal book in my state.
Way to go legalized sports betting! Such a scummy industry
How is the tax burden in the other persons name? Cant you just report the income on yours and they do nothing ?
Friend of mine got banned after he hit a nice ticket with correct scores
I’m pretty much promo banned on all Sportsbooks in MA you can still win but it’s much harder you have to be way more picky on what bets you place
When you bet live are u seeing the 5-10 second delay (feels like 1 min) for the book to accept the bet? Arbitrage live? If so do u hit go on both sides or wait for the first side to get accepted first?
@@mikeg1872 depends on the book. Fanduel is almost instantly. DK is slower. Some books, are like 15 seconds. I try to stick to just fd and DK when live arbing
@@greenmeansgosports Fandue is not instant and will half the time change odds after you hit the button. Live betting at HT is only safe way
Can you just use the hotspot from your phone instead of wifi? I have an old phone (no service) so I think I could use the hotspot from my current phone onto the old phone on a new account?
Would using cellular data work as an alternative to home wifi?
@@User79842 so long as it’s a brand new device.
You mentioned grinding for $200 (most of which was on a middle, suggesting you make less than that usually) in a given day. Is that juice worth the squeeze in arbing? How many hours do you put in per day?
@@Xxclover13xX valid question. I suppose it comes down to perspective. Grinding arbs it worth it to me because it promises results (ignoring maybe human error or line moving against you so you hedge at a small loss). If I spend an hour arbing I know (for the most part) I’m going to make money. So that squeeze will result in juice. Now, the amount that satisfies your thirst may be different than mine. Before a kid I could grind for hours and hours. Now, after bed is what I get. 8-10pm when all the games are on is usually good for me
Great video. Its always same examples of the EV and arb people on oddsjam trying get regular guys to do it and it just doesn't work the same for most people. Value is not always value 😢
Its not that people should know that it's about not being scammed and treated unfairly in situations when you did nothing wrong but being treated in that manner
Love the betting shops in Korea. All cash and no questions
Watch out for sites who use device identifiers as well as IP addresses tracking.
I’m very limited at this point but I’ve been using it since launch and still not banned
Idk why sportsbooks even care about arbitrage. Unless you're using a bonus bet and betting both sides on the same book, why does it matter to them? You're not ONLY going to win on their sportsbook every time.
Does this only happen to some people? Because I’ve been EV betting for little of 3 months now and am in + profit by like 1k and I have never came across this issue?
@@hennigod8957 I think there’s a lot at play usually. A month is still “early” to some degree if it’s your first account. But if you’re betting only straights and getting CLV and placing bets that lots of others are placing then it’s usually typical to be limited within a year. Could last longer though!
So what is the options for a winning bettor to make money long term? Just start selling picks?
I got phsyically banned at parx btw. Lord these places want nothing to do with us.
Find a different many making method or use offshore books if you want to arb. This is exactly what I tried to say you should've highlighted in your arb betting videos.
#goodjuju to your p4 on ESPN!
Exactly 💯. I got a guy whose up $50k+ this month supposedly EV only betting. Its nuts, most people cant do this tho and get multiple people on board. Ashame they limit so quick. Wish could get a FD and DK account again 😢. Burner phone and need a different name and address i assume to try this ?
You can’t use a vpn?
just curious if anyone has had success in Canada (or the US) avoiding limits by placing fish bets for a couple weeks with a new account
Hey what laptop do you use the wager?
just a run of the mill basic laptop i picked up from best buy. nothing special
How much can u make on limited accounts if u put in the time realistically?
@@jiggyjess4801 really hard to say. And different for everyone, different for each sports season, hard to give an exact number. There are people who legit make 6 figures on limited accounts live arbing. I’d consider that a full time job. I think $100-$200 a night from 7-11pm is reasonable during basketball season. But that’s completely anecdotal
@ interesting, would u say it would take longer for the kambi books to limit u if u just straight up
Live arb, assuming that’s what the people that makes 6 figures do
It's not easy but on a p1 - live ev I've cleared 25k 3 months in a row..34k this month. It's a full time job brother. I don't have the skillset for any job that makes over 100k per year so this is an insanely blessed opportunity for me. Who knows how long it will last tho.
@ that profit or just money churned? Either way, impressive stuff
Number 2 they pass your name to other books. And you keep doing you will be knocked off all platforms
Do you know if they have started to use Geocomply to ban your physical location on top of the WIFI?
@@cedriclapine2807 great question - I don’t know. I suppose, in theory, that would prevent the mobile workaround. But since people do that, I’d say no. But doesn’t mean it’s not going to soon 🙄
@ I’ve started to think that Caesar’s might be cracking down in this regard, but I haven’t been able to confirm yet other than personal experience
I feel like I've noticed this
@@lorenkenion2360 my next P2 will probably create either in an apartment where they have a large density of people or at a public place
You are correct lm limited on mgm in 30 days off bettting on about -200 odds that hit about 70%. I was doing $100 per bet now im limited to about $30 a bet now 🤬😭😂
When you start winning ALOT draftkings use to let me boost with whatever i wanted then you win and now my boosts are 5-25$ max fanatics lets me boost up too 200$ depending on the boost percentage but 10-20% boosts let me do any size wager.. they can take my money anytime they want but when i start taking theirs they get mad...ban or limit
Ya my boosts are max bet of 10 bucks. I noticed that too my promos just got less and less over time
Nous is French for we (or us). I didn't realize it was Latin.
“We can’t lose” 😭😭😭😭😭
@@kalebmallory2882 let’s bet it all 😭😭😭 TWO WOODFORDS!
Swap out that wi-fi router
The gambling industry knows more about you than you think.
@@epicprince8196 oh i know they know it all lol
Im getting a player 3 and i will not mess this up!!🎉😮😅
Arbitrage isnt the only way... its the easiest way
Same last name if you have an uncommon last name could be something 😢
Offshore books are key
you'll never get limited on dfs
How does Erin Dolan not get banned? LOL
Take carson wentz to wun super bowl
It’s because you don’t know how to fly under the radar
@@superstock1986 I think I “know how” but it involves patience and “losing” in some respects. I don’t want to waste money trying to get a book off my trail.
Take it from someone that’s been banned from two major books and online fantasy books by winning in the millions . And has far as a casino or the books your betting with they know your betting arbitrage makes you an advantage players in there eyes . So you not being banned for the money your winning
As annoying as it may be, an alternative is to change your router and IP address periodically.
You deserved it bro I’ve been in the Sportsbook business for 30 years from working in Sportsbooks managing books and being an odds maker . Just do the right thing and wager money properly . There not banning you for winning little parlays and using promos . You stole from them period .
@@gusthanasulas5550 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So when I win I'm stealing, but when the Sportsbooks take my money, it's not stealing - it's entertainment? C'mon man!
WTF is "wager money properly"? Betting negative EV plays and dumb parlays? You're REALLY saying "only bet in such a way that the sportsbook makes money!
Guess I should say "oh, sorry Mr. Sportsbook. I took advantage of the crap line you posted and then hedged it on another book. I'm ashamed! I'm a criminal!
You did everyone a service with your comment though. You prove that the Sportsbooks are out to find losing players, period! So unlike the filings you send to the state gaming commissions saying that you only make your money from the vig you add to every single bet! Cant be happy with that though, huh? You have to kick off every player who actually knows what they are doing. You can still make money on those players though. Pinnacle sure does. But all of you sportsbooks have the gaming commissions in your pocket and make sure that Pinnacle will never get into this country.
Why dont YOU do the right thing and work harder to set your lines properly, make your money off the vig only, stop limiting, and stop taking advantage of those addicted by throwing even MORE promos at them
I'm a sharp bettor in my 60s, averaging 50k a year. I want to thank you personally for helping fund my retirement. Would LOVE to debate you in a video. GMG can moderate ;)
@ (wow. Thank you for this. Said it much better and more factually than I would have.)
@@greenmeansgosports Thank you for reading the whole long thing (lol). This post may make a good follow up video topic? I know you don't do guests, but would love to discuss this stuff with you. You're someone who "gets it". Been doing sports betting for a while and made tens of thousands (and yes been limited a bunch)
Keep up the good fight!
Oh look, another "successful" sports handicapper boasting about himself getting limited everywhere he bets. Its incredible that ive never really ever met a consistent winning punter but the second i turn on the old youtube machine theres thousands of them. Aren't we all so lucky we have a seemingly endless plethora of bettors to choose from. Guess ill go quit my dayjob now because im about to be living on a yacht boooiii
Love it lol
Definitely not legal to use someone else account lol
@@hip-hopkeychains9960 gray area 😅 with permission, it’s legally permissible. Maybe against the books TOS, but…
@@greenmeansgosports"maybe against the terms of service".... Definitely against the TOS
@@greenmeansgosportsyou close on what’s really going with the guys selling the picks and showing and telling people to go on sleeper prize picks etc. it’s not that there using them in a matter of speaking the cappers that promote those are getting up to 25% of the people they send loses trust me lol