ooh yes! thank you for reminding me about this book! i wanted to read it when it first came out, didn't find it and then forgot about it. thanks to this video i took it out of the library this very morning
So so happy to see you back on TH-cam and to listen to your reviews and criticism! Very interested to read Information Desk now, as well as go back to Elizabeth Bishop and Marianne Moore. On the theme of art approached by poetry, I just finished Victoria Chang's 'With My Back to the World' who, though Chang writes herself into the poems, starts by approaching the work of Agnes Martin and On Kawara. Thinking a lot about your comment about how in our contemporary moment many poets start from themselves, and what it means to write poems in conversation with art and other objects. Thank you so much for your sharing your thoughts! Looking forward to hearing more of your reflections on what you are reading.
Alex! It's so kind of you to be here and take the time to comment!! I actually bought that Chang book just the other day and look forward to reading it. Did you like it? Anything else you're reading that you might recommend?
Thanks for promoting #FramedinSeptember and for this lovely, reflective video. I was already keen to read Information Desk based on your recommendation. Now I am looking forward to it even more. You have also reminded me how rewarding it is to read poetry. 😊
Wow, another poetry enthusiast on BookTube, I'm in. Really excited to have discovered your channel. And, I am not familiar with Robyn Schiff's poetry, so thanks for the recommendation. I will search this out. I love ekphrastic poetry. I'm really excited about 'FramedinSeptember' too. So much to enjoy.
How wonderful for me to have found your channel as well! Thank you so much for taking the time to comment here, and I look forward to watching your videos too.
In the Divine Comedy every line has eleven syllables, the Greeks and Romans started the tradition. Never heard of modern poets doing it, really excited to read this book now.
Well, ma'am, your shelves are beautiful. We both follow Sophie. I am always happy to connect to other poetry lovers, just added this book to my wishlist. Poetry + Art = Very Much Up My Alley
So great to have you here!! Hehe I thought to myself that I bet you’d love Sophie’s channel. I inherited my grandfather’s library, and I have no doubt he’d be delighted to welcome you. Eleanor x
Very interesting. I've got this book and have set it aside. When I pick it back up, I'll see it with new eyes. Regarding the last part of your talk, I confess I cringe whenever someone says poetry is about emotions. Some are and some aren't. And I think a lot of young poets would go farther if the people teaching them would stretch them beyond self-expression. There's nothing wrong with self-expression but poetry is in no way limited to one mode.
It's so amazing of you to comment here, thank you so much! Did you already try to read the book and not really get into it? I really didn't get into it whatsoever at first!!
@@theonlyrealproperty2567 Correct. Really struggling to continue. But now you've given me some incentive. I confess, though, I'm not as generous as you are with books that require me to have read other books (or other art forms) in order to understand them--unless they make it clear. I was beginning to wonder if it was syllabic and about her choice of stanza, but hadn't made the connection so I appreciate that. However, I haven't read comprehensively of Marianne Moore or Elizabeth Bishop to catch the allusions. I'm now curious about their wasp poems because I was finding Schiff's rather grotesque. Thanks for encouraging me to give it all another look and a stay of execution.
@@poetrycrone "A stay of execution" lol. I was SO CLOSE to donating it to my library hehe. Two things stopped me ... about ten years ago I read an article in the Boston Review that still intrigues me about the "baroque" in poetry. I didn't get it (still not sure I do, actually), but I like the way Stephanie Burt writes about poetry and pay attention whenever she recommends something. So Schiff was familiar to me as a name from then. Secondly, I recently noticed that Sean Singer had "Information Desk" as one of the books in his book club. I didn't attend the book club (it's via Zoom) but I tend to think of him as an astute poetry reader. And now you've reminded me to return to that article on the baroque and give it another shot! Of course, the Mayer reference and the articles I found gave me the final push.
But it's so true, I will often due waaaaay too much homework on the off-chance I'm missing a gem. It drives me crazy, but I'm compelled. I am actually trying to train myself to do less of it, and accept the poem as it comes.
If you feel like it, have a look at "Santarem" by Bishop (it's online) and the last stanza has an intriguing wasp nest in it. For Moore, I only know of "The Paper Nautilus" also online. Oh wait ... Bishop also has a gorgeous reference to a wasp nest in "Jeronimo's House" describing her house as a wasps' nest "of chewed-up paper / glued with spit." Which I think is very meta haha (I like that kind of stuff).
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ooh yes! thank you for reminding me about this book! i wanted to read it when it first came out, didn't find it and then forgot about it. thanks to this video i took it out of the library this very morning
So so happy to see you back on TH-cam and to listen to your reviews and criticism! Very interested to read Information Desk now, as well as go back to Elizabeth Bishop and Marianne Moore. On the theme of art approached by poetry, I just finished Victoria Chang's 'With My Back to the World' who, though Chang writes herself into the poems, starts by approaching the work of Agnes Martin and On Kawara. Thinking a lot about your comment about how in our contemporary moment many poets start from themselves, and what it means to write poems in conversation with art and other objects. Thank you so much for your sharing your thoughts! Looking forward to hearing more of your reflections on what you are reading.
Alex! It's so kind of you to be here and take the time to comment!! I actually bought that Chang book just the other day and look forward to reading it. Did you like it? Anything else you're reading that you might recommend?
Thanks for promoting #FramedinSeptember and for this lovely, reflective video. I was already keen to read Information Desk based on your recommendation. Now I am looking forward to it even more. You have also reminded me how rewarding it is to read poetry. 😊
Wow, another poetry enthusiast on BookTube, I'm in. Really excited to have discovered your channel. And, I am not familiar with Robyn Schiff's poetry, so thanks for the recommendation. I will search this out. I love ekphrastic poetry. I'm really excited about 'FramedinSeptember' too. So much to enjoy.
How wonderful for me to have found your channel as well! Thank you so much for taking the time to comment here, and I look forward to watching your videos too.
@@theonlyrealproperty2567: Thank you. I will certainly continue to follow your bookish adventures.
In the Divine Comedy every line has eleven syllables, the Greeks and Romans started the tradition. Never heard of modern poets doing it, really excited to read this book now.
I’d love to hear what you think of the book. So interesting to learn that about the Divine Comedy. Do some modern Italian poets count syllables?
@@theonlyrealproperty2567 I really don't know, but that's a good question.
It is interesting 🤔 Thanks for reigniting my excitement about prosody with your comments.
Well, ma'am, your shelves are beautiful. We both follow Sophie. I am always happy to connect to other poetry lovers, just added this book to my wishlist. Poetry + Art = Very Much Up My Alley
So great to have you here!! Hehe I thought to myself that I bet you’d love Sophie’s channel. I inherited my grandfather’s library, and I have no doubt he’d be delighted to welcome you. Eleanor x
@@theonlyrealproperty2567 Thank you and you are a Lucky girl xo
Very interesting. I've got this book and have set it aside. When I pick it back up, I'll see it with new eyes.
Regarding the last part of your talk, I confess I cringe whenever someone says poetry is about emotions. Some are and some aren't. And I think a lot of young poets would go farther if the people teaching them would stretch them beyond self-expression. There's nothing wrong with self-expression but poetry is in no way limited to one mode.
It's so amazing of you to comment here, thank you so much! Did you already try to read the book and not really get into it? I really didn't get into it whatsoever at first!!
@@theonlyrealproperty2567 Correct. Really struggling to continue. But now you've given me some incentive. I confess, though, I'm not as generous as you are with books that require me to have read other books (or other art forms) in order to understand them--unless they make it clear. I was beginning to wonder if it was syllabic and about her choice of stanza, but hadn't made the connection so I appreciate that. However, I haven't read comprehensively of Marianne Moore or Elizabeth Bishop to catch the allusions. I'm now curious about their wasp poems because I was finding Schiff's rather grotesque. Thanks for encouraging me to give it all another look and a stay of execution.
@@poetrycrone "A stay of execution" lol. I was SO CLOSE to donating it to my library hehe. Two things stopped me ... about ten years ago I read an article in the Boston Review that still intrigues me about the "baroque" in poetry. I didn't get it (still not sure I do, actually), but I like the way Stephanie Burt writes about poetry and pay attention whenever she recommends something. So Schiff was familiar to me as a name from then. Secondly, I recently noticed that Sean Singer had "Information Desk" as one of the books in his book club. I didn't attend the book club (it's via Zoom) but I tend to think of him as an astute poetry reader. And now you've reminded me to return to that article on the baroque and give it another shot!
Of course, the Mayer reference and the articles I found gave me the final push.
But it's so true, I will often due waaaaay too much homework on the off-chance I'm missing a gem. It drives me crazy, but I'm compelled. I am actually trying to train myself to do less of it, and accept the poem as it comes.
If you feel like it, have a look at "Santarem" by Bishop (it's online) and the last stanza has an intriguing wasp nest in it. For Moore, I only know of "The Paper Nautilus" also online. Oh wait ... Bishop also has a gorgeous reference to a wasp nest in "Jeronimo's House" describing her house as a wasps' nest "of chewed-up paper / glued with spit." Which I think is very meta haha (I like that kind of stuff).