This is all just really great for both games. Not a competitive game but you can tell how much the commentators respect Judd and snooker. Great to see the American crowd support Judd too
For people wondering who's better pool players or snooker players - consider this: the best snooker players are competitive with the best 9-ball and 8-ball players in the world with a little training. They can do a pick-up match any day after an hour or two of practicing and be genuinely competitive. The best 8 and 9 ball players don't stand a chance in snooker - that's why they're never in snooker exhibition matches. They'd have to train for years and still might not crack the top 100.
i know rigghttt. best pool players like efren, filler, shaw, svb strickland and many more arent even better than the average snooker players. while best and some average snooker players can easily compete against some of the best pool players lmao
Snooker players all grew up playing english pool but not a single usa pool player grew up playing snooker. It's such a retarded comparison.. Judd lost and it wasn't even close. Get over it...
All these people talking smack about pool players not being able to play snooker at a high level. When I was studying in London, me and my mates had the fortune to witness the American Pool Team practice for the Mosconi Cup in Hurricane Room. One of my mates even got into a money match with Jayson Shaw in snooker and he was making 80-90 breaks no sweat all night. With a bit of practice, these pool players could be really competitive in snooker if they wanted to. They just choose not too with the restrictive uniform, long drawn out gameplay of snooker, and the long qualification process it takes to even join the World Snooker Tour and main professional tournaments that get broadcasted (do some reading on the Q School qualification) and many other factors. Also English pool and American pool are very different. They have different pocket shapes making some shots the optimal one in american pool but completely unplayable in english pool. The two shot rule in English pool rather than the free ball gives rises to so many different strategies and gameplay. Just because someone has played English Pool and snooker growing up doesnt make them automatically good in American Pool. Just appreciate the beauty of pool and snooker as different forms of cue sports. Snooker is meant to be a gentleman's sport and y'all really aren't giving snooker followers and fans a good name by bashing pool players for no good reason. What do you even gain by bashing down pool and claiming snooker is superior? Its just shameful behavior. I love snooker and I think Judd Trump and Ronnie the Rocket are just geniuses out of this world in Snooker, but likewise Efren is just magical in Pool and the brilliance of Shane van Boening and Joshua Filler brings a different side of cuesports that is just mesmerizing to watch as well.
I love 9 ball pool, but in competition it's so easy to just watch one player dominate the whole thing whilst the other just sits there. I love both games but in snooker there is often more tactical battles between the players, which I think makes it better as a spectator sport. Really enjoyed this tournament though.
Yep, snooker is definitely a better game in every way. The only thing pool has going for it is the fact the table is smaller so it's more accessible. The fact the winner of one rack starts the next one and can continue after potting any ball is just stupid.
Trump didn’t “just sit there”, he blew the easy out in game 1. If you don’t run out wide open racks when you get the chance in pool, you’re gonna get steamrolled.
So.... Ronnie O'Sullivan and Judd Trump don't do this very thing to people all the time in Snooker? I'm not saying there isn't a bit more back in forth in Snooker..... But don't act as though players don't sit on the sidelines and watch for entire breaks and matches.
Running an entire frame in snooker is virtually impossible. The opponent always has at least 1 chance usually off the break. Clearly that is not the case in 9 ball when it could very easily happen that your opponent doesn't even take a single shot the entire match
How does entry work for competitions like this though? The pool lot would have to commit a year or two of their life to Q school and then try to qualify for everything. It would cost a fortune for very little reward because they’d be unlikely to progress far in any tournament even if they managed to qualify. I’d like to see some attempt it but it wouldn’t be as easy as hopping on a flight and playing a bit of snooker.
@@badofcheese Yeah. Good point. Unless there could be some tournament wildcard arrangement like they have in tennis. But you're right, it's easier in pool comps as it appears literally anyone can nominate.
@@badofcheese Any sufficiently talented or popular pool player would get an invitational wild card. It's just, the pool #1 would lose 10-0 to even the world's 128 ranked snooker player, in snooker.
Bro i´m a snooker fan but that excuse is kinda sad why you bringing that subject here? You wanna feel superior or something? Btw in case you didn't know Mark Selby was a pool player before he played Snooker and he was for years number 1 in the world currently number 2, he won 4 times the WSC and many others not bad for a pool player right?
Just like to add some perspective as a snooker player switched to 9 ball many years ago. What I found was rarely mentioned which is that side spins in snooker curves every time in opposite direction due to the distance and we practice so much that we compensate without thinking about it. It’s kind of like the bowling ball curves. When I first played on pool table with larger and heavier balls, the curve isn’t as much and side spin kick action is different. I was missing all those shots Judd is missing. In 9 ball I literally relearned to curve and kick with much slower speed, the cloth doesn’t reverse the curve and fast shots don’t react much, so all that instinctive compensation in snooker actually was too much adjustment and shots are missed. It was very frustrating. Today I play in 9 ball with much less power, leaving more angles to run around the table rather than using power and spins as I do in snooker. Not sure if I explain this clearly or if anyone else experienced the same. Great games both snooker and 9 ball. :)
I know exactly what you are talking about. I learned to play snooker first as a kid but later got into 9 ball as a 20 something, and now I've gone back to mostly playing snooker but I still play 9 ball from time to time. Sidespin is completely different because the balls have different masses and different angular moments of inertia (angular moment of inertia is a physics term describing how much force is required to spin a round object about its axis). So the bigger pool balls have a larger moment of inertia so it's more difficult to make it change direction as a result of spin. That's why you have to play the cue ball slower to make it swerve the same amount in pool compared to snooker: the frictional force exerted by the cloth that makes it swerve is small compared to the inertia of the ball. That's in addition to the fact that pool cloth is much smoother than the nappy snooker cloth. There's also the fact that larger balls have more surface area contact with each other. So in snooker compared to pool, with the same amount of left spin and at the same speed, you get less right spin throw on the object ball after contact because the balls are smaller and there's less surface area contact. So for that reason snooker requires a little bit longer of a backswing, more follow through and smoother acceleration of the cue on most shots because you need more spin on the cue ball to get the same throw on the object ball. I've found that keeping my backswing in pool much more compact helps tremendously with cue ball control on fast tables. I have to really extend my backswing quite a bit more in snooker on traditional cloth. It's worth pointing out here that this trend in snooker is changing towards becoming more compact with players like Kyren Wilson because the professional table cloth is much faster than it used to be.
One thing not mentioned much here, and that is the different pocket geometry. In snooker the cushions are rounded into the pockets, but in pool they make a sharp angle. It means that in pool you can pocket by aiming deliberately at the cushion on the other side of the pocket and it will ricochet in. In snooker aiming directly at the cushion next to the pocket will just not work. It means that a snooker player will not notice some pocketable balls that a pool player will immediately go for.
you mean you can play a shot shot and it will go in. You don’t have to get it in the pocket. This excuse of snooker players won’t see a shot is nonsense. Those cushions just make it even easier on a smaller table.
@@rickswords6346 Yes, potting is easier on the smaller table, but because the cushion angle at the pockets is different It means that a snooker player will not notice some pocketable balls that a pool player will immediately go for. It's the not noticing that's important, the potting is another matter.
as a snooker spectator, shaw was coming up with shots i never imagined, i completely forget that u can take advantage of hitting a ball to pot another, it completely goes over my heard when looking for plays
Great to hear Nick Schumann calling US Open pool. Brings a great perspective to any game! Definitely my favorite Poker analyst and now my new favorite Pool prognosticator as well!
I loved watching Judd in this tournament. Probably the smoothest stroke on the planet. Child prodigy turned world snooker champion. Everyone expected his break and safety play to be weak, and that he would pot every ball he could see, but we were all surprised to see that his break was very solid, imaginative and well executed safety plays, and a few missed pots. Hope he maintains interest in the game and we get to see more of him
Put any Pool player on a Snooker table and play them against Trump in 100 frames. Trump would be odds on to win 100-0, that's the real difference we're talking about. Pool is easy, simple pimple, nothing at all difficult about it, every aspect of Pool is basic and easy.
@Michael Smith You know when you find yourself typing the same thing many times? Are you actually now saying, that YOU actually sit there, and retype it all, time and time again? Is that really what you're trying to say? And do you also think that if someone copies and pastes something?, that in some way means the words are worth less than if I'd retyped them? LOL. You do understand that today we have technologies that allow us to save our own time by copy and pasting things? You know a computer technology? You seem to think that anyone who uses that technology must be doing something wrong or something? Do you understand how utterly dumb that makes you? I mean, listen, if you want to sit and retype things over and over again, you go ahead you ever so bright individual, me? I'll continue to use what we have available to us today. ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS
@Michael Smith Put any Pro Pool player up against any Pro snooker player and play 100 racks of Pool, then 100 racks of Snooker. The Snooker player has a good chance of winning playing pool, the Pool player has ZERO chance of winning playing snooker, and it wouldn't even be a surprise to see the Snooker player win the snooker 100 - 0.
Class, you mean the snooker crowd massive pockets and inferior strokes and snooker is superior, pool is a joke etc etc. Hey snooker fans, this here river dont go to AINTRY.....you done tooken the wrong turn.
Who's idea was it to change the ball colors? The cameras are now good enough to see traditional colors. I've watched plenty of pool matches on TH-cam and this is the hardest time I've had distinguishing the colors.
With players of this caliber, they can often break and run out frame after frame. Like Judd did in previous matches. I think alternating break is much better... Well done to Judd for his great debut. If he finds it fun he may return, but 50K to the winner? That's what top Snooker players make for doing badly on a tournament!
Judd won the safety battle in game 1 and proceeded to dog the easy out. If you don’t run out in pool when you’re supposed to, you’re gonna get your ass kicked by top players.
@@sphigel1 agreed, he has plenty to learn and practice. I'm not saying he's the best pool player in history, just that he has a very solid base and if he so desires, can be a serious contender in championships and definitely an asset in the Mosconi cup
Judd seemed like he was underprepared for this match. The fact that he can run 147 on Ronnie in the finals with superb cue ball positioning, but not set himself up well for the 4 ball in the first rack is just carelessness to me.
@@jcchannel2850 m.th-cam.com/video/Iu2hUuNTuQU/w-d-xo.html Shaw has a reputation for chocking in finals, but normally Shaw vs boening is always good matches.
Great example of how one can control things with a winner-break format and the one on the spot. When Alex Paglyan can get beat 11 to 0 too, it shows you how important it is to get the first lag, and the first game, then to never let up. But ya, Shaw played fantastically after the first fluke though. He made the table look small and the pockets look much wider than they were. I pick him to win it this year.
Good example of the issues with winner-break. For the top players winning the lag gives you an easy win unless you mess up, regardless of how good the opponent is. It makes the lag way too important.
Well either this or alternate with sudden death. In the end during sudden death the breaker still have huge amount of adv. Not a big difference if you looks at the end result since whoever breaking having the advantage. So is crucial dont lose when you are breaking
Trump has honestly surprised me so far. Much has been made about the level / confidence of his opponents or the lucky safeties, but at the same time you can tell he is picking things up super quick. Shaw is simply one of those pinnacle players and was playing pretty fantastic this match.
Put any Pool player on a Snooker table and play them against Trump in 100 frames. Trump would be odds on to win 100-0, that's the real difference we're talking about. Pool is easy, simple pimple, nothing at all difficult about it, every aspect of Pool is basic and easy.
@@hotstepper887 Nobody is saying that any pool player is going to beat Trump. You are saying that pool is easy bla bla bla, but this game between Trump and Shaw is the perfect example that you are 100% WRONG. American Pool and Snooker are two very different games. Each one requires specific skills. If you don't accept it, you're a snob. BTW I'm a decent pool player and I LOVE snooker! I play snooker a little once in a while and my maximum run is 32 (maximum score in a frame 61). I'm a complete nobody in the world of pool. I can't imagine what a PRO pool player could do if he/she dedicates some months in learning the game; maybe not getting to the top, but certainly do some damage. I do believe that Eklent Kaci and Francisco Sanchez Ruiz are actually pretty good snooker players, with at least one 147 on their resumé.
@@johngatta no actually that guy was right. Any pool player would get smoked at snooker whereas a snooker player could be successful at pool. Snooker has a lot tighter pockets and you gain very good cue control which is suited to pool but pool pockets are very big. Only difference is the table.
This is pool for you. Its pretty hard to freeze out a snooker for player for 11 frames in a row without them potting a ball. Pool is a different game entirely
Agree there needs to be a change to alternate breaks. Big pockets make it easy to pot from the break and then you usually just need one good shot or a bit of luck for position on the next pot.
I hope judd gets more time off snooker and tries pool again. Hes a magician on the snooker table and plays snooker like hes playing pool sometimes so it wld be cool to see how good he cld get at pool
Yeah, he's a wizard on the snooker table, it's weird seeing him miss shots which look far easier here. Maybe they're not so easy though without experience.
@@andrewwilliams1788 it's the adjustment to the ball and the cue probably. Also if anyone noticed, even if the pool pockets are larger, the cushion actually has sharp corners as opposed to the sort of flattened curve towards the pockets in snooker.
@@samme79 Put any Pool player on a Snooker table and play them against Trump in 100 frames. Trump would be odds on to win 100-0, that's the real difference we're talking about. Pool is easy, simple pimple, nothing at all difficult about it, every aspect of Pool is basic and easy.
@@hotstepper887 Absolutely false. The games have similarities but also fundamental differences. There are pool players that are competent snooker players, and vice versa. Too many snooker elitists talking down pool players as opposed to trying to actually back up their talk in a game 🤣
Pool is a lot more about have an arsenal of shot types to 'escape' situations. The skill is when to use what 'trick'. that's the inexperience that shows in the snooker players. I think what us Brits don't explain well is that Snooker is more about control of your body and mind in tandem (every shot is a ritual, you don't just get down and you don't just lift your head - the whole thing is an art form and the match length is a measure of consistency at that art form). With such a huge table in snooker and tight pockets the ability to keep the control is something you have to be devoted to and few can master it. With Pool there's a different skill required, but I think a Snooker player with a years focus on pool would be lethal, but a pool player with a years focus on snooker would still be a 1 in a 1000 chance of getting anywhere - the fundamentals are such a big part of it and once you're an adult it's too late to master the fundamentals.
I disagree, you can't say that a master chess player can be the best poker player if he spends time playing poker.. snooker and 9ball are two totally different games. Also, for any sport that has a pre-shot routine that routine is a ritual. Theres no comparison, stance, grip, pace, eyesight are all different, yeah 9ball doesn't have the prestige of snooker and its marketed a bit hilly billy but its super hard. To add to the differences of the game, just imagine that in 9ball the opponent might not have a single opportunity for a whole set. So what you say about getting out of tough spots is much closer to snooker, 9ball is a very very aggressive game. A 9ball player wants that opponent to stay sitted the whole set, in snooker that simply cant happen.. different games, bot immensely difficult to master! No reason to compare, just enjoy these 2 giants :)
@@michaelcake3186 Thanks Michael. I find your point interesting. I don't agree with it but that's what makes the world go round eh? I'm not saying one is better than the other, my comment is more to explain why snooker players feel there's a disparity. Truth is there is. I simply think a snooker player (e.g. Trump or O'Sullivan) could be a force in pool given enough experience, whereas the fundamentals required for a pool player to do the same in snooker make it very unlikely. Snooker is so demanding, physically and mentally that you need to live it from a very young age. I agree that pool is also very challenging, in a totally different way. I like pool, wish I was better at it. But 2hrs on the snooker table and I can often clean up on the pool table - It's like shooting at buckets after snooker.
They’re a different set of mechanics… billiards, Russian pyramid, snooker, pool they all have different set of fundamentals that emphasize certain aspects of the game…
@@0Caracalla That's an interesting thing. I actually think the fundamentals of billiards carry into snooker (billiards is very hard for a pure snooker player, but billiards players are generally great snooker players), and the fundamentals of snooker carry into pool. But jump shots and massive breaks don't really help in snooker, in fact jumping is a foul shot in snooker and seen as cheating. Its not entirely a one way street but I think this is why snooker fans get upset, it's because snooker is so much more disciplined. It's not to take away from pool, it's a great game. I still struggle to understand a pro game though where you could break off, clean up and win the match without the other player getting a shot. That's weird... not really a match is it? But hey I'm a Brit we frown at not requiring dress shoes in snooker.
your point is invalid. Michael's understanding of the game is pretty accurate. what is invalid about your point is that it will hardly ever come true, if a snooker player wants to lose his grip of his snooker game, maybe he'll get somewhere in pool, and if you think that take a year then think again. another aspect of pool that is crucial at the very top level is the mind game, and the mind game in snooker and pool are just two different worlds. these elite pool players have been playing the game at the very top level for years and years, you think someone with only a minor part of the fundamentals can achieve that in 1 year? cut me the crap mate, I've heard this snooker/pool comparison countless of times and grown tired of it. they are different games, have different constraints and require different skills. just accept the fact and enjoy
I’m an american and a decent pool player who has made a few break and runs on a 9 ft table. My local pool hall has a snooker table and I’m telling you, it is very hard to make even two shots in a row on a 12 ft table with those small, unforgiving rounded pockets and small balls. I’ve seen many pool players better than me try, and they have a hard time making even three balls in a row. It is a very difficult game, and if you haven’t tried it, you owe it to yourself to try it before you speak out about it. It’s truly humbling and frustrating. Watching the greats in snooker make a 100 point break is truly amazing.
So many people are arguing about which is the more skilful sport. This doesn’t really make sense. The argument is about which are more skilful players... Simple sports require higher degree of accuracy and completion, harder sports are more forgiving. Yes snooker is more difficult, but this doesn’t make their players automatically more skilled. That’s like saying it’s harder to score in soccer than basketball, so soccer players are more skilled. Sure, basketball is way easier, but unless Messi is putting out double doubles of goals and assists this doesn’t mean anything. It’s easier to score in basketball, but if you do so as a team 5 times a game you are trash. Either game, the difficulty is scoring more than your opponents, and they find it just as difficult as you, so despite soccer being objectively harder, it is subjectivity equally difficult to play. Regardless of how difficult or easy the skills in a game are, being better at performing them than the other professionals is the measure of skill. Snooker fans always go on about how the small table makes it easier to pot balls so it should be easier for a snooker player to pot out in 9 ball. It is… and it’s easier for your opponent who is a nine ball player as well. So on an open table people pot out more often… how did this make the game easier, if the object is to be better than your opponent who has the same advantages and disadvantages. Yes many of the skills required for snooker are inherently more impressive because they are more difficult to master from scratch, but some of the unique 9ball skills like jumps and power breaks are impressive too, and transitioning is incredible, even though the sports are similar. Kudos to the greats who have transcended more than one discipline or even attempted it. Davis, Ronnie, Earl, Efron, Selby, now Trump. Trump is the more skilled individual here, no question (although he had a bad day) but probably not better at 9ball. Meanwhile the best 9ball player probably COULD compete against the 100th best snooker player with a little preparation. At the end of the day the sports are different enough that you back the person on their home turf, and similar enough that the best of the best are competitors regardless. But arguing about if the top snooker players are more skilled than the top 9ball players is as pointless as arguing if the earth is rounder than Pluto is cold.
The better argument to make is that the skills required for snooker makes snooker players more versatile than pool players - if shaw turned up to the crucible he would look like a member of the crowd at the table so I think people would be right in saying Ronnie is the worlds best “cueist” since he’s the best snooker player. Although your football and basketball argument is clever, it’s not taking into account how dissimilar those two sports are and how like each other these two sports are
I think for television. There used to be a problem with the way the 4 and 5 balls looked on camera. There may be another reason but this is my suspicion.
@@chriskindler10 They first changed the 4 from purple to pink and the 7 from brown to tan to appear better on old analogue TV and make them easier to distinguish from the blue 2 and red 3 respectively. Then some wise guy had the idea to change them again, for whatever reason. But with HD TV, it now seems redundant.
@@kevycanavan Sure let's slow down an already relatively boring (for tv) game. (I love pool btw, been playing for plus 30 years) It actually should be shorter, 20 seconds max, but more racks to minimize one sided luck.
As an aside, great commentary. I especially like Jeremy Jones, but everyone really. Just all around good job, really adds to the experience of watching 🙂
yes with 9 ball he could technically smack every ball as hard as he could and if something fell he could continue to do that. you dont need to call any shot at all
I love shaw, being a fellow Scot, but felt really bad for judd , big fan of snooker and him especially. Just didn’t get a chance in this match with winner breaks, hope he comes back to pool at some point
I want to see Judd trump play 8 ball.. I like the way Shaw is kind of trying to teach trump other pool shots and how some of trumps safety’s aren’t actually safety’s lol
Ye, makes you think safeties in snooker are easier because most random combinations of 2 balls on the huge table are not pottable while there is always a way in pool.
But the large table makes safety harder, and you are laying a safety when your opponent can hit any one of many many red balls. They are different animals
@@dt9127 agree, probably equally bad , but it is a shame that pool players dont seem to be as adventure as snooker players and try competing on the big green table
@@hajnalakos99 Try to have a look at the Mark Selby, you probably know who he is 😉 he started as a pro pool player, moved over to snooker, and is the only person to have won both the world pool championship, and snooker world championship... so, some make it, moved for the bigger money - and did it quite successfully, so it is not as easy to say that pro pool players couldn't do it on a snooker table.
Good to see Judd confident enough to play in the US open clearly out of his comfort zone. Pool players relishing playing a top snooker player. He is lacking in positional play and knowledge of cue ball control with the big cue ball and different surface as well as deflection in the shaft of the cue. The commentators mentioned using his snooker cue, I thought it would give his snooker cue a hard time with the heavier cue ball and risk damaging it? Great to see him giving this a go.
@@shardanette1 Both Steve Davis and Ronnie played with their snooker cue's as well in the Marconi cup, and they beat the 2 top players at the time... Ronnie was young as well, just coming on to the scene, don't think they were expecting it, great video to watch as every time Ronnie got a chance he basically just did what Shaw did.
I think you're adding a lot of context into the situation that wasn't there 😅 it's as simple as it just being customary to apologize when you fluke a ball in. Especially when it's the winning ball.
You seen Jayson play snooker like, he couldve been a top snooker player easy. He use to play against John Higgins he'd tell you how good he was. Pool was always his love though that's what he wanted to play mainly because his father was so good also.
@@seanscanlon9067 didn‘t Judd got two flukes in rack 10? Then why didn’t he take advantage of the winner break format and get to break in a few more racks?
@@Isuc_at_poolgolf Probably because winner breaks is an advantage full stop, but it is more so to a full time pool player than a full time snooker player trying his hand at pool at this level for the first time. Jayson was still the obvious favourite here, just as Judd would be if they were playing snooker.
@@seanscanlon9067 Yeah that’s my point If Jayson can run all his way out but Judd can’t, it just simply means that Jayson is better at pool than Judd. Winner break is fair in long races in my opinion, since running out plenty of racks isn’t easy at all.
I love watching snooker players switch over to pool. Ronnie and Davis are quiet impressive IMHO. I can definitely feel more tension in the room when it's US against EU .
SPOILER ALERT-don’t read this if you haven’t watched the match yet! I’m impressed that Trump is taking on such a challenge-he has nothing to prove in the universe of cue sports-but at the same time I’m pleased that Shaw plastered him. British people seem to take it as a national pastime to denigrate American sports, and I’ve been the victim a few times of Brits lecturing me about how much more difficult snooker is and how pool is too easy for snooker players. Remembering those occasions made it sweet to see Judd smiling and raising his arms in triumph after taking a single break from Shaw. Of course I love snooker too, it really is a great game, and I have great respect for snooker champions as well. But when the Scotsman is on it takes a lot to keep up with him, never mind beat him.
The commentators kept saying this has never been done before but it has lol Steve Davis beat one the best pool players ever in efran reyes watch that match if you haven't
I find it amusing that it’s not just retired pool players commenting but current players as well ^^ it’s like minions from the Disney movie putting up for each other haha
As someone who has rarely watched pool before, it seem to me that having the initial break-off shot confers a significant advantage, because the top pool players seen to nearly always pot a ball from the initial break, which sets them up for further opportunities. Would it not be fairer, therefore, to change the rules so that the break-off shot alternates between the players regardless of the outcome of the previous game (as in snooker), so that both players get a decent amount of time on the table?
@@sohorabhossain4615 Thanks for informing me. I didn't know that. However, it makes me wonder why the organizers choose this format, because it can lead to a player being frozen out for long periods, as happened in the present game. It's so unbalanced, that I will not be watching any more of this format, which is surely not what the promoters of pool want to achieve (?)
@@jimkyle8008 yes, the early mosconi matches with ronnie, strickland etc were alternate break. and the race to 21 between efren and strickland was too. alternate break generally does make for closer games. the closest to 'our' UK pool is 8 ball with alternate break. but we don't generally have ball in hand on a foul - usually within the D.
No, alternate break is boring. It makes it too easy to hold a lead and too hard to come back from a deficit. Once a player is up three or four games in alternate break it's more or less decided. I prefer winner break. Shaw was just putting on a clinic here. How anyone could decide not to watch any more after seeing a match like this one is beyond me. Shaw in full flow is absolutely awesome (British translation: brilliant).
@@mikethebeginner I don't really see how winner break could be more interesting when it could literally lead to one player consistently cleaning up break after break. Seeing one player lead constantly with an overwhelming advantage is boring.
Lmao this whole time I've been thinking "Goddamn this pool commentator sounds just like Nick Schulman" and it turns out that's because he literally is Nick Schulman.
Didn't expect Judd to win but a fluke in the first frame to give Shaw the win then he breaks and before anything else has happened he was 4-0 up and thats from a fluke. Nothing else
Winner break format is just dog.. If we did this in UK Black ball, the person who lost the first frame wouldn't get a shot the whole match. May as well play one frame and call that guy the winner. Shaw played extremely well but with a turn break system the score would definitely been more competitive.
After shake hands, being the winner Jason was very quickly to turn his face away from Judd, it seems like Judd still have words to say.. If you know what i mean😊.
Shaw always had arrogance. Pool players lack professionalism compared to snooker players. This is because snooker is more professional than pool in these terms. EDIT: Shaw is trying to show who's boss. Lmao an average snooker player can play very good pool but can a pool player even play snooker upto club standards? Nope!
Is this a usual procedure to have this loud rock music in the background while the pros carrying out their matches? The music is not in the commentators room, is it? Is that a specialty in the US Open?
It helps the players not get distracted by the sounds from the crowds making noises and at the different tables. They don't play music during the semis and finals when only one table is used.
People who say snooker players are better than pool players dont understand that theyre completely different games. This shows it because Judd is probably top 5 in snooker and he got smoked once he had to come up against a professional
@@freedomforthebrave Not true. He's in sports business. He wants to win. There is no such thing as "oh it's just casual, I don't care". Not a single sport professional thinks like that. They are all competitive, even if for free.
They’d never win. If you’ve got anything about you, you can play 9 ball. Snooker is more of a skill than 9 ball. Winner breaking is the worst rule I’ve seen in this sport.
@@georgejung5429 1. there have been 3 pros trying to get to maintour, 2 qualified so 66%. 2. The only reason so few try is because you have to quit your career just for a year of grinding qschool qualification series. If there would be open maintour events you would see this a lot more. 3. Efren beat sullivan in a best of 13 snooker quite heavily. 4. Thinking either of the sport is superior to the other is completely stupid. There could be no better example than this match.
@@SonOfTheSoil834 again reyes is the only one that hustled ronnie for money in snooker. Just the idea that a pro athlete could compete in a different sport with a top pro of it who is living of that sport is so stupid, it is questionable even talking to people considering this. Never has a snooker pro won a major pool venue. And the only reason only 3 pool players tried pro snooker is because of the stakes to qualify. Still 2 of those managed to get there in their first season. Snooker players on the other hand can attend every tournament they want just buy paying the fee.
its is like football player playing futsal. 2 different sport. and we see how great judd is, playing with such courage against proffesional pool player. imagine jason playing snooker...he wouldnt get even 1 frame. But i enjoy anyway
Shaws highbreak is 146 and many pro snooker players have actually gone public asking for a maintour wildcard for him so he doesn't need to run the qualification for a year.
Stephans comment is thematically true, but Shaw is a terrible example. Still, at the highest level any player could still make it in their non preferred cue sport if they practiced
He would get dominated just like trump did here. The point is both games deserve respect and not all these ignorant Europeans saying how pool is a child’s game cause of the pocket size
@@Erkkremlinklum where I live we play both of the game(not regularly) I lean more to snooker side of the game, snooker is difficult imo but by no means pool is easy. Yes you need skills but snooker leans more on aim and Englishs but pool needs pretty much everything
I have to say that this gave me some deep satisfaction. For there ain't a single pool video out there without a snooker snob of a fan who never touched a queue in his life but feels the necessity to state how easy pool was compared to snooker. That being said, it's just the fans, I never heard a single pro player utter things like that towards pool or 3-cushion or English 8-ball or Chinese 8-ball. It's just those snobs and they were declaring Trump tournament winner the day he announced his entry. And they got their mouth stuffed (although Trump did way better than I expected him to do and even beat a top 100 player)
As a Scot, Shaw appreciates that his Brit opponent’s native game is exponentially more precise and strategically demanding. 9-ball pool is a less cerebral and more muscular game than snooker, though Judd Trump can summon 10ft pots with mm precision and screw (“draw”) the cue back seven feet on a snooker table, so he is not without monster stroke, as evidenced by his potent break-shame we saw little of it in this match which Jason so convincingly dominated. They are both supernaturally skilled and poised champions-would love to see a rematch invitational on a snooker table.
@@welshed The pockets are like buckets. If Ronnie or Judd went full time on these tables, they would win. Snooker players have superior cueing techniques due to tighter margins. Even a top pool player would get thrashed playing Snooker against the likes of Judd.
Watch Judd Trump's match vs Abullah Al'Shammari and you'll get it. He was proficient in safeties and he won by a wide margin despite all the balls he missed
That first rack’s 4-9 fluke knocked the wind right out of Trump and gave Shaw all the momentum he needed. I agree with a lot of the comments, they should alternate breaks otherwise it is way too one sided. Props to Shaw though - what a fantastic player.
@@barongasher4385 I wouldn't say he's better than all pool players with a cue, but I mean he's currently ranked world #2 in Snooker, was world #1 for a while last year. These guys in this tournament wouldn't last a frame in Judd's territory hahaha
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu lmao how am I being a sore loser? I'm just helping the other two understand that he's one of the best snooker players in the world. Shaw played amazing and it was a well deserved win, and he's a favourite to win the tournament.
Pareció algo aplastante luego vi algunos 11-1,11-2,11-4 un 11-0 y demás resultados así tanto de alguno q ganaba y luego perdía del mismo modo pareciera un torneo q fue a sorteo
This is all just really great for both games. Not a competitive game but you can tell how much the commentators respect Judd and snooker. Great to see the American crowd support Judd too
Yes thank you! All que sports are awesome and each have their own challenges
Just a shame they can't pronounce it correctly 🌝
Pretty sure one of them is Phil yates, every snooker fan knows that voice by now
Even recognise a few of the refs from snooker too
@@JohnS-il1dr Exactly, anyone who has ever visited a snooker table knows how anguishly difficult it is in just fundamentals alone.
The only change to 9 ball I would like to see is alternating player breaks, would make for more competitive matches in my opinion ✌
Just play 10 ball. The break advantage has been effectively diminished with that game
Saw that in Trumps debut pretty much broke and held the table for 9 frames...though his opponent wasn't anywhere near to his quality
@@SirRicheybee I agree, jump shot ls a joke to me.
You guys should have seen me with my jump cue you woulda been furious
@@mechanicmeals8553 I don't think anyone cares about your jump cue at home lol.
For people wondering who's better pool players or snooker players - consider this: the best snooker players are competitive with the best 9-ball and 8-ball players in the world with a little training. They can do a pick-up match any day after an hour or two of practicing and be genuinely competitive. The best 8 and 9 ball players don't stand a chance in snooker - that's why they're never in snooker exhibition matches. They'd have to train for years and still might not crack the top 100.
i know rigghttt. best pool players like efren, filler, shaw, svb strickland and many more arent even better than the average snooker players. while best and some average snooker players can easily compete against some of the best pool players lmao
Sorry this was not a competitive performance at all
Snooker players all grew up playing english pool but not a single usa pool player grew up playing snooker. It's such a retarded comparison.. Judd lost and it wasn't even close. Get over it...
Snooker is like running, pool is like just starting to walk as toddler!
All these people talking smack about pool players not being able to play snooker at a high level. When I was studying in London, me and my mates had the fortune to witness the American Pool Team practice for the Mosconi Cup in Hurricane Room. One of my mates even got into a money match with Jayson Shaw in snooker and he was making 80-90 breaks no sweat all night.
With a bit of practice, these pool players could be really competitive in snooker if they wanted to. They just choose not too with the restrictive uniform, long drawn out gameplay of snooker, and the long qualification process it takes to even join the World Snooker Tour and main professional tournaments that get broadcasted (do some reading on the Q School qualification) and many other factors.
Also English pool and American pool are very different. They have different pocket shapes making some shots the optimal one in american pool but completely unplayable in english pool. The two shot rule in English pool rather than the free ball gives rises to so many different strategies and gameplay. Just because someone has played English Pool and snooker growing up doesnt make them automatically good in American Pool.
Just appreciate the beauty of pool and snooker as different forms of cue sports. Snooker is meant to be a gentleman's sport and y'all really aren't giving snooker followers and fans a good name by bashing pool players for no good reason. What do you even gain by bashing down pool and claiming snooker is superior? Its just shameful behavior. I love snooker and I think Judd Trump and Ronnie the Rocket are just geniuses out of this world in Snooker, but likewise Efren is just magical in Pool and the brilliance of Shane van Boening and Joshua Filler brings a different side of cuesports that is just mesmerizing to watch as well.
I love 9 ball pool, but in competition it's so easy to just watch one player dominate the whole thing whilst the other just sits there. I love both games but in snooker there is often more tactical battles between the players, which I think makes it better as a spectator sport. Really enjoyed this tournament though.
Yep, snooker is definitely a better game in every way. The only thing pool has going for it is the fact the table is smaller so it's more accessible. The fact the winner of one rack starts the next one and can continue after potting any ball is just stupid.
Trump didn’t “just sit there”, he blew the easy out in game 1. If you don’t run out wide open racks when you get the chance in pool, you’re gonna get steamrolled.
So.... Ronnie O'Sullivan and Judd Trump don't do this very thing to people all the time in Snooker?
I'm not saying there isn't a bit more back in forth in Snooker..... But don't act as though players don't sit on the sidelines and watch for entire breaks and matches.
Running an entire frame in snooker is virtually impossible. The opponent always has at least 1 chance usually off the break. Clearly that is not the case in 9 ball when it could very easily happen that your opponent doesn't even take a single shot the entire match
Without alternating the break this game is anti sport.
Love to see the pool guys give snooker a go. Always seems to be the snooker players getting out of their comfort zone.
How does entry work for competitions like this though? The pool lot would have to commit a year or two of their life to Q school and then try to qualify for everything. It would cost a fortune for very little reward because they’d be unlikely to progress far in any tournament even if they managed to qualify.
I’d like to see some attempt it but it wouldn’t be as easy as hopping on a flight and playing a bit of snooker.
@@badofcheese Yeah. Good point. Unless there could be some tournament wildcard arrangement like they have in tennis.
But you're right, it's easier in pool comps as it appears literally anyone can nominate.
@@badofcheese Any sufficiently talented or popular pool player would get an invitational wild card. It's just, the pool #1 would lose 10-0 to even the world's 128 ranked snooker player, in snooker.
@makadeni123 6 red tournament seems ideal for pool players i think its a non ranking event
Bro i´m a snooker fan but that excuse is kinda sad why you bringing that subject here? You wanna feel superior or something? Btw in case you didn't know Mark Selby was a pool player before he played Snooker and he was for years number 1 in the world currently number 2, he won 4 times the WSC and many others not bad for a pool player right?
Just like to add some perspective as a snooker player switched to 9 ball many years ago. What I found was rarely mentioned which is that side spins in snooker curves every time in opposite direction due to the distance and we practice so much that we compensate without thinking about it. It’s kind of like the bowling ball curves. When I first played on pool table with larger and heavier balls, the curve isn’t as much and side spin kick action is different. I was missing all those shots Judd is missing. In 9 ball I literally relearned to curve and kick with much slower speed, the cloth doesn’t reverse the curve and fast shots don’t react much, so all that instinctive compensation in snooker actually was too much adjustment and shots are missed. It was very frustrating. Today I play in 9 ball with much less power, leaving more angles to run around the table rather than using power and spins as I do in snooker. Not sure if I explain this clearly or if anyone else experienced the same. Great games both snooker and 9 ball. :)
I know exactly what you are talking about. I learned to play snooker first as a kid but later got into 9 ball as a 20 something, and now I've gone back to mostly playing snooker but I still play 9 ball from time to time. Sidespin is completely different because the balls have different masses and different angular moments of inertia (angular moment of inertia is a physics term describing how much force is required to spin a round object about its axis). So the bigger pool balls have a larger moment of inertia so it's more difficult to make it change direction as a result of spin. That's why you have to play the cue ball slower to make it swerve the same amount in pool compared to snooker: the frictional force exerted by the cloth that makes it swerve is small compared to the inertia of the ball. That's in addition to the fact that pool cloth is much smoother than the nappy snooker cloth. There's also the fact that larger balls have more surface area contact with each other. So in snooker compared to pool, with the same amount of left spin and at the same speed, you get less right spin throw on the object ball after contact because the balls are smaller and there's less surface area contact. So for that reason snooker requires a little bit longer of a backswing, more follow through and smoother acceleration of the cue on most shots because you need more spin on the cue ball to get the same throw on the object ball. I've found that keeping my backswing in pool much more compact helps tremendously with cue ball control on fast tables. I have to really extend my backswing quite a bit more in snooker on traditional cloth. It's worth pointing out here that this trend in snooker is changing towards becoming more compact with players like Kyren Wilson because the professional table cloth is much faster than it used to be.
One thing not mentioned much here, and that is the different pocket geometry. In snooker the cushions are rounded into the pockets, but in pool they make a sharp angle. It means that in pool you can pocket by aiming deliberately at the cushion on the other side of the pocket and it will ricochet in. In snooker aiming directly at the cushion next to the pocket will just not work. It means that a snooker player will not notice some pocketable balls that a pool player will immediately go for.
Agree
you mean you can play a shot shot and it will go in. You don’t have to get it in the pocket. This excuse of snooker players won’t see a shot is nonsense. Those cushions just make it even easier on a smaller table.
@@rickswords6346 Yes, potting is easier on the smaller table, but because the cushion angle at the pockets is different It means that a snooker player will not notice some pocketable balls that a pool player will immediately go for. It's the not noticing that's important, the potting is another matter.
Why does the announcer sound like he's introducing the hunger games?
as a snooker spectator, shaw was coming up with shots i never imagined, i completely forget that u can take advantage of hitting a ball to pot another, it completely goes over my heard when looking for plays
the big problem is the snooker guys can't spin the ball to move off the rails. the combos arent really that common
Great to hear Nick Schumann calling US Open pool. Brings a great perspective to any game! Definitely my favorite Poker analyst and now my new favorite Pool prognosticator as well!
prognosticator :)
I thought i recognized that voice in earlyer video's. Worlds colliding indeed
I loved watching Judd in this tournament. Probably the smoothest stroke on the planet. Child prodigy turned world snooker champion. Everyone expected his break and safety play to be weak, and that he would pot every ball he could see, but we were all surprised to see that his break was very solid, imaginative and well executed safety plays, and a few missed pots. Hope he maintains interest in the game and we get to see more of him
Put any Pool player on a Snooker table and play them against Trump in 100 frames. Trump would be odds on to win 100-0, that's the real difference we're talking about. Pool is easy, simple pimple, nothing at all difficult about it, every aspect of Pool is basic and easy.
@@hotstepper887 👍
@Michael Smith You know when you find yourself typing the same thing many times? Are you actually now saying, that YOU actually sit there, and retype it all, time and time again?
Is that really what you're trying to say? And do you also think that if someone copies and pastes something?, that in some way means the words are worth less than if I'd retyped them? LOL.
You do understand that today we have technologies that allow us to save our own time by copy and pasting things? You know a computer technology? You seem to think that anyone who uses that technology must be doing something wrong or something? Do you understand how utterly dumb that makes you? I mean, listen, if you want to sit and retype things over and over again, you go ahead you ever so bright individual, me? I'll continue to use what we have available to us today. ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS
@Michael Smith Are you American? Actually, you don't need to answer that, as clearly you are. That explains it.
@Michael Smith Put any Pro Pool player up against any Pro snooker player and play 100 racks of Pool, then 100 racks of Snooker. The Snooker player has a good chance of winning playing pool, the Pool player has ZERO chance of winning playing snooker, and it wouldn't even be a surprise to see the Snooker player win the snooker 100 - 0.
When he won his first rack, Thank you my fellow Americans for showing some class
Lol. They will only be biased in the Mosconi Cup and vice versa.
It's a Scottish playing an English, what are you so cheery about?
Class, you mean the snooker crowd massive pockets and inferior strokes and snooker is superior, pool is a joke etc etc.
Hey snooker fans, this here river dont go to AINTRY.....you done tooken the wrong turn.
@@FIVE-0-APOCALYPTO English please ?
@@FIVE-0-APOCALYPTO huh?
Who's idea was it to change the ball colors? The cameras are now good enough to see traditional colors. I've watched plenty of pool matches on TH-cam and this is the hardest time I've had distinguishing the colors.
You're right. Mixed up 4 and 5 a few times...
Agreed. I feel like the 5 should have just stayed orange. It's pretty hard to make that mistake with 1080p
Thanks for that Full match always appreciate it.
Over 250 players, 50k to the winner???? Somebody is making a small fortune somewhere.
That’s pretty shit!
50k to overall winner..small change..most snooker tournaments about 100k to winner..sterling
@@WayneCarolan Nah you're wrong, see here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_U.S._Open_Pool_Championship
@@Chrissaces1 must be the golf open prize money! My bad
lol mark Selby won £500k for the snooker world championship. which is about $600k. maybe snooker is the bigger sport then huh
With players of this caliber, they can often break and run out frame after frame. Like Judd did in previous matches. I think alternating break is much better... Well done to Judd for his great debut. If he finds it fun he may return, but 50K to the winner? That's what top Snooker players make for doing badly on a tournament!
I think alt breaks are 10x better, so boring to watch otherwise and no actual battles going on.
Judd won the safety battle in game 1 and proceeded to dog the easy out. If you don’t run out in pool when you’re supposed to, you’re gonna get your ass kicked by top players.
@@sphigel1 agreed, he has plenty to learn and practice. I'm not saying he's the best pool player in history, just that he has a very solid base and if he so desires, can be a serious contender in championships and definitely an asset in the Mosconi cup
Judd seemed like he was underprepared for this match. The fact that he can run 147 on Ronnie in the finals with superb cue ball positioning, but not set himself up well for the 4 ball in the first rack is just carelessness to me.
it didnt matter who shaw was playing he would have won playing like he did
Is there video of Shaw being knocked out?
@@jcchannel2850 m.th-cam.com/video/Iu2hUuNTuQU/w-d-xo.html
Shaw has a reputation for chocking in finals, but normally Shaw vs boening is always good matches.
True but he wouldn’t of been shooting like that if someone was giving him more of a challenge
Yeah even tho he lost 🙄
It wasn't judd's game, I bet if it were shaw vs. Judd in a snooker match, Jason wouldn't pick up a cue in his life after that
Great example of how one can control things with a winner-break format and the one on the spot. When Alex Paglyan can get beat 11 to 0 too, it shows you how important it is to get the first lag, and the first game, then to never let up. But ya, Shaw played fantastically after the first fluke though. He made the table look small and the pockets look much wider than they were. I pick him to win it this year.
He is a bad luck guy in finals
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Let me guess, snooker, right?
Good example of the issues with winner-break. For the top players winning the lag gives you an easy win unless you mess up, regardless of how good the opponent is. It makes the lag way too important.
What does one on the spot have to do with anything? Isn't that just a standard rack.... Anything else is wrong imo
It’s the problem with this format, when the winner breaks at this level the match can get away from a player very fast, no matter who you are!
Well either this or alternate with sudden death. In the end during sudden death the breaker still have huge amount of adv. Not a big difference if you looks at the end result since whoever breaking having the advantage. So is crucial dont lose when you are breaking
It does fvckin matter. It u play bad like judd, even after he wins a rack then break, would do shit
That's what makes pool hard- it's not that it's easy to win, it's easy to lose.
No problem with format he just played 1 of the best to ever do it .The fact people honestly expected trump to win blows my mind
Efren won them all regardless in his prime.
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Why? Because he doesn’t make mistakes. Pool is about cue ball control and not making mistakes.
Trump has honestly surprised me so far. Much has been made about the level / confidence of his opponents or the lucky safeties, but at the same time you can tell he is picking things up super quick. Shaw is simply one of those pinnacle players and was playing pretty fantastic this match.
Ну не нужно суваться не в свой вид спорта))) попытка была неплохая но ..
Put any Pool player on a Snooker table and play them against Trump in 100 frames. Trump would be odds on to win 100-0, that's the real difference we're talking about. Pool is easy, simple pimple, nothing at all difficult about it, every aspect of Pool is basic and easy.
@@hotstepper887 Compared to snooker, yes. But pool is not easy to pick up if you want to get good at it. Except if you are just naturally talented.
@@hotstepper887 Nobody is saying that any pool player is going to beat Trump. You are saying that pool is easy bla bla bla, but this game between Trump and Shaw is the perfect example that you are 100% WRONG. American Pool and Snooker are two very different games. Each one requires specific skills. If you don't accept it, you're a snob. BTW I'm a decent pool player and I LOVE snooker! I play snooker a little once in a while and my maximum run is 32 (maximum score in a frame 61). I'm a complete nobody in the world of pool. I can't imagine what a PRO pool player could do if he/she dedicates some months in learning the game; maybe not getting to the top, but certainly do some damage. I do believe that Eklent Kaci and Francisco Sanchez Ruiz are actually pretty good snooker players, with at least one 147 on their resumé.
@@johngatta no actually that guy was right. Any pool player would get smoked at snooker whereas a snooker player could be successful at pool. Snooker has a lot tighter pockets and you gain very good cue control which is suited to pool but pool pockets are very big. Only difference is the table.
This is pool for you. Its pretty hard to freeze out a snooker for player for 11 frames in a row without them potting a ball. Pool is a different game entirely
freeze out a snooker for player for 11 frames
Agree there needs to be a change to alternate breaks. Big pockets make it easy to pot from the break and then you usually just need one good shot or a bit of luck for position on the next pot.
I would be so upset after winning 3 matches and then all over 11-1. But they have both played really well this season :)
Wow. That was some kind of a pool clinic Jason demonstrated there.
I hope judd gets more time off snooker and tries pool again. Hes a magician on the snooker table and plays snooker like hes playing pool sometimes so it wld be cool to see how good he cld get at pool
Yeah, he's a wizard on the snooker table, it's weird seeing him miss shots which look far easier here. Maybe they're not so easy though without experience.
@@andrewwilliams1788 it's the adjustment to the ball and the cue probably. Also if anyone noticed, even if the pool pockets are larger, the cushion actually has sharp corners as opposed to the sort of flattened curve towards the pockets in snooker.
@@samme79 Put any Pool player on a Snooker table and play them against Trump in 100 frames. Trump would be odds on to win 100-0, that's the real difference we're talking about. Pool is easy, simple pimple, nothing at all difficult about it, every aspect of Pool is basic and easy.
@@hotstepper887 whilst I agree entirely about snooker there’s no reason to disrespect pool so much. If it’s so easy why aren’t you the world champion?
@@hotstepper887 Absolutely false. The games have similarities but also fundamental differences. There are pool players that are competent snooker players, and vice versa. Too many snooker elitists talking down pool players as opposed to trying to actually back up their talk in a game 🤣
Man Jason been putting on the pounds....
SVB too!
Last time I saw him play he was getting jacked lol
@@claw333 I know man
who cares
@@zBeeKing he's been knocking in those balls like he's been dominating those cannolis at the Ventian
They should alternate the break
Better would be no template rack and 9 on the spot instead of the 1
Not gonna lie, I teared up when Judd finally got 1 on the board and everybody cheered for him
I smiled, I love how the crowd treated him.
I wouldn't have expected less from American billiards fans. They tend to be a kindly, respectful _lot._
@@ChollieD unlike TH-cam snooker fans lolol
Gay!
@@lifeevent88 Homophobia, lovely...
Pool is a lot more about have an arsenal of shot types to 'escape' situations. The skill is when to use what 'trick'. that's the inexperience that shows in the snooker players. I think what us Brits don't explain well is that Snooker is more about control of your body and mind in tandem (every shot is a ritual, you don't just get down and you don't just lift your head - the whole thing is an art form and the match length is a measure of consistency at that art form).
With such a huge table in snooker and tight pockets the ability to keep the control is something you have to be devoted to and few can master it. With Pool there's a different skill required, but I think a Snooker player with a years focus on pool would be lethal, but a pool player with a years focus on snooker would still be a 1 in a 1000 chance of getting anywhere - the fundamentals are such a big part of it and once you're an adult it's too late to master the fundamentals.
I disagree, you can't say that a master chess player can be the best poker player if he spends time playing poker.. snooker and 9ball are two totally different games. Also, for any sport that has a pre-shot routine that routine is a ritual. Theres no comparison, stance, grip, pace, eyesight are all different, yeah 9ball doesn't have the prestige of snooker and its marketed a bit hilly billy but its super hard. To add to the differences of the game, just imagine that in 9ball the opponent might not have a single opportunity for a whole set. So what you say about getting out of tough spots is much closer to snooker, 9ball is a very very aggressive game. A 9ball player wants that opponent to stay sitted the whole set, in snooker that simply cant happen.. different games, bot immensely difficult to master! No reason to compare, just enjoy these 2 giants :)
@@michaelcake3186 Thanks Michael. I find your point interesting. I don't agree with it but that's what makes the world go round eh? I'm not saying one is better than the other, my comment is more to explain why snooker players feel there's a disparity. Truth is there is. I simply think a snooker player (e.g. Trump or O'Sullivan) could be a force in pool given enough experience, whereas the fundamentals required for a pool player to do the same in snooker make it very unlikely. Snooker is so demanding, physically and mentally that you need to live it from a very young age. I agree that pool is also very challenging, in a totally different way. I like pool, wish I was better at it. But 2hrs on the snooker table and I can often clean up on the pool table - It's like shooting at buckets after snooker.
They’re a different set of mechanics… billiards, Russian pyramid, snooker, pool they all have different set of fundamentals that emphasize certain aspects of the game…
@@0Caracalla That's an interesting thing. I actually think the fundamentals of billiards carry into snooker (billiards is very hard for a pure snooker player, but billiards players are generally great snooker players), and the fundamentals of snooker carry into pool. But jump shots and massive breaks don't really help in snooker, in fact jumping is a foul shot in snooker and seen as cheating. Its not entirely a one way street but I think this is why snooker fans get upset, it's because snooker is so much more disciplined. It's not to take away from pool, it's a great game.
I still struggle to understand a pro game though where you could break off, clean up and win the match without the other player getting a shot. That's weird... not really a match is it? But hey I'm a Brit we frown at not requiring dress shoes in snooker.
your point is invalid. Michael's understanding of the game is pretty accurate. what is invalid about your point is that it will hardly ever come true, if a snooker player wants to lose his grip of his snooker game, maybe he'll get somewhere in pool, and if you think that take a year then think again. another aspect of pool that is crucial at the very top level is the mind game, and the mind game in snooker and pool are just two different worlds. these elite pool players have been playing the game at the very top level for years and years, you think someone with only a minor part of the fundamentals can achieve that in 1 year? cut me the crap mate, I've heard this snooker/pool comparison countless of times and grown tired of it. they are different games, have different constraints and require different skills. just accept the fact and enjoy
They need a guy who knows how to introduce the game
It’s just god awful…..how producers allowed it is mind-boggling.
That weak-assed Michael Buffer imitation was horrible! Put some class in it - it’s the freakin’ US Open!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 OMG John has been watching too much UFC/Boxing events
I’m an american and a decent pool player who has made a few break and runs on a 9 ft table. My local pool hall has a snooker table and I’m telling you, it is very hard to make even two shots in a row on a 12 ft table with those small, unforgiving rounded pockets and small balls. I’ve seen many pool players better than me try, and they have a hard time making even three balls in a row. It is a very difficult game, and if you haven’t tried it, you owe it to yourself to try it before you speak out about it. It’s truly humbling and frustrating. Watching the greats in snooker make a 100 point break is truly amazing.
I would like to see them alternate the breaks.
I agree I find this unsportsmanlike.
I agree. They should only do winner breaks when thay are playing a lot more games
Then watch almost any other tournament.. the US Open is where 6 packs happen.
@@derekdeese6130 well it kinda sucks. It shouldnt be the format when you only play first to 9 or 11
So many people are arguing about which is the more skilful sport. This doesn’t really make sense. The argument is about which are more skilful players... Simple sports require higher degree of accuracy and completion, harder sports are more forgiving. Yes snooker is more difficult, but this doesn’t make their players automatically more skilled. That’s like saying it’s harder to score in soccer than basketball, so soccer players are more skilled. Sure, basketball is way easier, but unless Messi is putting out double doubles of goals and assists this doesn’t mean anything. It’s easier to score in basketball, but if you do so as a team 5 times a game you are trash. Either game, the difficulty is scoring more than your opponents, and they find it just as difficult as you, so despite soccer being objectively harder, it is subjectivity equally difficult to play. Regardless of how difficult or easy the skills in a game are, being better at performing them than the other professionals is the measure of skill. Snooker fans always go on about how the small table makes it easier to pot balls so it should be easier for a snooker player to pot out in 9 ball. It is… and it’s easier for your opponent who is a nine ball player as well. So on an open table people pot out more often… how did this make the game easier, if the object is to be better than your opponent who has the same advantages and disadvantages.
Yes many of the skills required for snooker are inherently more impressive because they are more difficult to master from scratch, but some of the unique 9ball skills like jumps and power breaks are impressive too, and transitioning is incredible, even though the sports are similar. Kudos to the greats who have transcended more than one discipline or even attempted it. Davis, Ronnie, Earl, Efron, Selby, now Trump.
Trump is the more skilled individual here, no question (although he had a bad day) but probably not better at 9ball. Meanwhile the best 9ball player probably COULD compete against the 100th best snooker player with a little preparation. At the end of the day the sports are different enough that you back the person on their home turf, and similar enough that the best of the best are competitors regardless. But arguing about if the top snooker players are more skilled than the top 9ball players is as pointless as arguing if the earth is rounder than Pluto is cold.
Well said!
People are too dumb to realize this
The better argument to make is that the skills required for snooker makes snooker players more versatile than pool players - if shaw turned up to the crucible he would look like a member of the crowd at the table so I think people would be right in saying Ronnie is the worlds best “cueist” since he’s the best snooker player. Although your football and basketball argument is clever, it’s not taking into account how dissimilar those two sports are and how like each other these two sports are
This made me remember when Ronnie beat Earl with a snooker cue while barely knowing the rules
Anybody know why they changed certain ball colours? Still confuses the bloody shit out of me.
been playing pool half my life and this is the only time i got confused with ball color.
I think for television. There used to be a problem with the way the 4 and 5 balls looked on camera. There may be another reason but this is my suspicion.
Purple 5 is blasphemy.
Horrible isn't it? So is the turquoise 6 that blends in with the cloth.
Wtf! same thoughts. I'd let the 9 slide but cmon purple 5?!
yeah why on earth would you change the colours? I don't get it
@@chriskindler10 They first changed the 4 from purple to pink and the 7 from brown to tan to appear better on old analogue TV and make them easier to distinguish from the blue 2 and red 3 respectively.
Then some wise guy had the idea to change them again, for whatever reason. But with HD TV, it now seems redundant.
Love how the crowd is cheering with judd after winning one game:)
Judd is a consummate gentleman and a great sportsman.
Sure
They should break alternatively. Otherwise you end up with this situation. The winner breaks and basically never leave the table
That’s the reward for not missing
Winner to break format is an absolute joke... 😑
Best format
Leads to a whitewash feel
Winner break. No shot clock. No jump cue.
It's actually a great format, it adds tons of pressure on the game. Mistakes can have much greater consequences for the match.
@@kevycanavan Sure let's slow down an already relatively boring (for tv) game. (I love pool btw, been playing for plus 30 years) It actually should be shorter, 20 seconds max, but more racks to minimize one sided luck.
As an aside, great commentary. I especially like Jeremy Jones, but everyone really. Just all around good job, really adds to the experience of watching 🙂
Very nice of Shaw to explain that he is going for the 1 2 combo without words
He does not need to. It's 9 ball
yes with 9 ball he could technically smack every ball as hard as he could and if something fell he could continue to do that. you dont need to call any shot at all
I love shaw, being a fellow Scot, but felt really bad for judd , big fan of snooker and him especially. Just didn’t get a chance in this match with winner breaks, hope he comes back to pool at some point
The person in charge of that music playlist should be fired. Is this a high school festival or something
LOL
I dared to hope for Trump, but Jayson Shaw is just too good!
They should take it in turns breaking off, would make it more interesting, ball goes in the pocket nearly every time.
That "Quarantine 15" looking internationally present with Jayson Shaw. 😂😂😂
I want to see Judd trump play 8 ball.. I like the way Shaw is kind of trying to teach trump other pool shots and how some of trumps safety’s aren’t actually safety’s lol
yeah, snooker safeties and 9-ball safeties are two different animals
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id like to see trump and efren play 8-ball on a bar table. that will test trump's strategy game.
Ye, makes you think safeties in snooker are easier because most random combinations of 2 balls on the huge table are not pottable while there is always a way in pool.
But the large table makes safety harder, and you are laying a safety when your opponent can hit any one of many many red balls. They are different animals
I would love to see Jason vs Judd on the snooker table 😉
Jason wouldn’t be arrogant enough to embarrass himself like that
@@kevycanavan Jason is definitely arrogant enough to try it. Itd be bad, but he'd try it.
Couldn’t be much worse than Jason vs trump on a pool table baba
@@dt9127 agree, probably equally bad , but it is a shame that pool players dont seem to be as adventure as snooker players and try competing on the big green table
@@hajnalakos99 Try to have a look at the Mark Selby, you probably know who he is 😉 he started as a pro pool player, moved over to snooker, and is the only person to have won both the world pool championship, and snooker world championship... so, some make it, moved for the bigger money - and did it quite successfully, so it is not as easy to say that pro pool players couldn't do it on a snooker table.
Good to see Judd confident enough to play in the US open clearly out of his comfort zone. Pool players relishing playing a top snooker player. He is lacking in positional play and knowledge of cue ball control with the big cue ball and different surface as well as deflection in the shaft of the cue. The commentators mentioned using his snooker cue, I thought it would give his snooker cue a hard time with the heavier cue ball and risk damaging it? Great to see him giving this a go.
Mark Gray plays pool with his snooker cue. Haven't heard of any issues.
@@shardanette1 Both Steve Davis and Ronnie played with their snooker cue's as well in the Marconi cup, and they beat the 2 top players at the time... Ronnie was young as well, just coming on to the scene, don't think they were expecting it, great video to watch as every time Ronnie got a chance he basically just did what Shaw did.
That first game apology at the end was almost like Jayson was like "sorry your first match had to be like this, at least you tried."
I think you're adding a lot of context into the situation that wasn't there 😅 it's as simple as it just being customary to apologize when you fluke a ball in. Especially when it's the winning ball.
Couple of UK beasts, and poor Brendan stuck in the middle. Loving it!
Was awesome to watch Judd play 9 ball...very talented cueist
I bet judd’s thinking.. you wouldn’t do this to me on a snooker table 🤣
You seen Jayson play snooker like, he couldve been a top snooker player easy. He use to play against John Higgins he'd tell you how good he was. Pool was always his love though that's what he wanted to play mainly because his father was so good also.
Judd Trump is playing Pool..
Nick Schulman is commentating Pool...
Where is my Beer..?
I was pulling for Shaw but I didnt know it was gonna be a damn slaughter.
Same
He fluked the first frame against the break and then got to keep breaking in the winner breaks format.
@@seanscanlon9067 didn‘t Judd got two flukes in rack 10? Then why didn’t he take advantage of the winner break format and get to break in a few more racks?
@@Isuc_at_poolgolf Probably because winner breaks is an advantage full stop, but it is more so to a full time pool player than a full time snooker player trying his hand at pool at this level for the first time.
Jayson was still the obvious favourite here, just as Judd would be if they were playing snooker.
@@seanscanlon9067 Yeah that’s my point
If Jayson can run all his way out but Judd can’t, it just simply means that Jayson is better at pool than Judd. Winner break is fair in long races in my opinion, since running out plenty of racks isn’t easy at all.
I love watching snooker players switch over to pool. Ronnie and Davis are quiet impressive IMHO. I can definitely feel more tension in the room when it's US against EU .
Nothing's entertaining than the Magician, we miss him..
I hate jump shots
In the future can you specify which round of the championship in the description somewhere please?
Yikes. Trump outplayed. Credit to Shaw. He's great. I'm not sure about this winner breaks format though. Alternate breaks is what i wouldve preferred.
SPOILER ALERT-don’t read this if you haven’t watched the match yet!
I’m impressed that Trump is taking on such a challenge-he has nothing to prove in the universe of cue sports-but at the same time I’m pleased that Shaw plastered him. British people seem to take it as a national pastime to denigrate American sports, and I’ve been the victim a few times of Brits lecturing me about how much more difficult snooker is and how pool is too easy for snooker players. Remembering those occasions made it sweet to see Judd smiling and raising his arms in triumph after taking a single break from Shaw.
Of course I love snooker too, it really is a great game, and I have great respect for snooker champions as well. But when the Scotsman is on it takes a lot to keep up with him, never mind beat him.
The commentators kept saying this has never been done before but it has lol Steve Davis beat one the best pool players ever in efran reyes watch that match if you haven't
He also bet the Pearl.
I find it amusing that it’s not just retired pool players commenting but current players as well ^^ it’s like minions from the Disney movie putting up for each other haha
As someone who has rarely watched pool before, it seem to me that having the initial break-off shot confers a significant advantage, because the top pool players seen to nearly always pot a ball from the initial break, which sets them up for further opportunities. Would it not be fairer, therefore, to change the rules so that the break-off shot alternates between the players regardless of the outcome of the previous game (as in snooker), so that both players get a decent amount of time on the table?
There are plenty of pool tournaments with alternating break. This one is happened to be winner break format.
@@sohorabhossain4615 Thanks for informing me. I didn't know that. However, it makes me wonder why the organizers choose this format, because it can lead to a player being frozen out for long periods, as happened in the present game. It's so unbalanced, that I will not be watching any more of this format, which is surely not what the promoters of pool want to achieve (?)
@@jimkyle8008 yes, the early mosconi matches with ronnie, strickland etc were alternate break. and the race to 21 between efren and strickland was too. alternate break generally does make for closer games. the closest to 'our' UK pool is 8 ball with alternate break. but we don't generally have ball in hand on a foul - usually within the D.
No, alternate break is boring. It makes it too easy to hold a lead and too hard to come back from a deficit. Once a player is up three or four games in alternate break it's more or less decided. I prefer winner break. Shaw was just putting on a clinic here. How anyone could decide not to watch any more after seeing a match like this one is beyond me. Shaw in full flow is absolutely awesome (British translation: brilliant).
@@mikethebeginner I don't really see how winner break could be more interesting when it could literally lead to one player consistently cleaning up break after break. Seeing one player lead constantly with an overwhelming advantage is boring.
As a professional poker player I had no idea Nick commentated anything but poker 😂
Do we know how much he knows about pool/snooker? Or just ..
Lmao this whole time I've been thinking "Goddamn this pool commentator sounds just like Nick Schulman" and it turns out that's because he literally is Nick Schulman.
REALLY!!! I thought the exact same. Thought I was going mad haha
Didn't expect Judd to win but a fluke in the first frame to give Shaw the win then he breaks and before anything else has happened he was 4-0 up and thats from a fluke. Nothing else
He was able to capitalise on the fluke after that because he's a great player, you complete doughnut.
Winner break format is just dog.. If we did this in UK Black ball, the person who lost the first frame wouldn't get a shot the whole match. May as well play one frame and call that guy the winner. Shaw played extremely well but with a turn break system the score would definitely been more competitive.
Thats what I thought too
After shake hands, being the winner Jason was very quickly to turn his face away from Judd, it seems like Judd still have words to say.. If you know what i mean😊.
Not particularly a trump fan but that was a bit cuntish
Shaw always had arrogance. Pool players lack professionalism compared to snooker players. This is because snooker is more professional than pool in these terms. EDIT: Shaw is trying to show who's boss. Lmao an average snooker player can play very good pool but can a pool player even play snooker upto club standards? Nope!
@@thedream6791 Shaw has made a few 147 breaks on a snooker table,I think that’s better than your average club snooker player
@@joerihuffmeijer3247 Not required. Snooker is visibly harder than pool itself.
@@phil6815 Judd trump has won a few pool titles too.
Is this a usual procedure to have this loud rock music in the background while the pros carrying out their matches? The music is not in the commentators room, is it? Is that a specialty in the US Open?
It helps the players not get distracted by the sounds from the crowds making noises and at the different tables. They don't play music during the semis and finals when only one table is used.
@@shardanette1 Thx for you answer! Truly, I don't appreciate those conditions. I'd put plugs into my ears ... pity.
People who say snooker players are better than pool players dont understand that theyre completely different games. This shows it because Judd is probably top 5 in snooker and he got smoked once he had to come up against a professional
Scottish no#1🏴
Would love to see 'WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE' on a snooker table... Though it never happens.
Shaw just dominating
He's used to the game he must dominate 😂
I would think that pool is easier than snooker, but apparently not
Damn. I love watching Judd play but he got humbled real quick by Jason
Mate he's got a snooker world title under his belt you think he's worried about pool he's only playing pool because he's got a month off from snooker
Thought he's been humble throughout the tournament, he said he doesn't expect to beat the top guys at all.
@@M1schievous1 he has. Snooker fans not so much
@@freedomforthebrave Not true. He's in sports business. He wants to win. There is no such thing as "oh it's just casual, I don't care". Not a single sport professional thinks like that. They are all competitive, even if for free.
He's been humble. The ones who haven't been are his snooker fans. Like this first comment under this post by Teddi775 OG
nick is the absolute goat, doing both poker and pool
I want to see top pool players on the big stage of snooker competitions. Just like how Judd try out at pool.
I don't think they can win any frame
They’d never win.
If you’ve got anything about you, you can play 9 ball.
Snooker is more of a skill than 9 ball.
Winner breaking is the worst rule I’ve seen in this sport.
@@georgejung5429 1. there have been 3 pros trying to get to maintour, 2 qualified so 66%.
2. The only reason so few try is because you have to quit your career just for a year of grinding qschool qualification series. If there would be open maintour events you would see this a lot more.
3. Efren beat sullivan in a best of 13 snooker quite heavily.
4. Thinking either of the sport is superior to the other is completely stupid. There could be no better example than this match.
They won’t even dare trying.they won’t manage …we have seen snooker players switch but none from pool not even the great Efren Reyes
@@SonOfTheSoil834 again reyes is the only one that hustled ronnie for money in snooker. Just the idea that a pro athlete could compete in a different sport with a top pro of it who is living of that sport is so stupid, it is questionable even talking to people considering this. Never has a snooker pro won a major pool venue. And the only reason only 3 pool players tried pro snooker is because of the stakes to qualify. Still 2 of those managed to get there in their first season.
Snooker players on the other hand can attend every tournament they want just buy paying the fee.
Watching Jayson play Trump after hearing him commentate for the Trump vs Patel match is dope.
its is like football player playing futsal. 2 different sport. and we see how great judd is, playing with such courage against proffesional pool player.
imagine jason playing snooker...he wouldnt get even 1 frame. But i enjoy anyway
Shaws highbreak is 146 and many pro snooker players have actually gone public asking for a maintour wildcard for him so he doesn't need to run the qualification for a year.
Stephans comment is thematically true, but Shaw is a terrible example. Still, at the highest level any player could still make it in their non preferred cue sport if they practiced
These guys are good
Did they ever study AF film footage,,
Great stuff
Now Shaw, why don't you try a match of snooker against him!?
Why would Shaw? He knows his place... Judd obviously didn't!
He would get dominated just like trump did here. The point is both games deserve respect and not all these ignorant Europeans saying how pool is a child’s game cause of the pocket size
@@Erkkremlinklum where I live we play both of the game(not regularly)
I lean more to snooker side of the game, snooker is difficult imo but by no means pool is easy. Yes you need skills but snooker leans more on aim and Englishs but pool needs pretty much everything
I have to say that this gave me some deep satisfaction. For there ain't a single pool video out there without a snooker snob of a fan who never touched a queue in his life but feels the necessity to state how easy pool was compared to snooker. That being said, it's just the fans, I never heard a single pro player utter things like that towards pool or 3-cushion or English 8-ball or Chinese 8-ball. It's just those snobs and they were declaring Trump tournament winner the day he announced his entry. And they got their mouth stuffed (although Trump did way better than I expected him to do and even beat a top 100 player)
I'm not so sure about this kind of format.
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As a Scot, Shaw appreciates that his Brit opponent’s native game is exponentially more precise and strategically demanding. 9-ball pool is a less cerebral and more muscular game than snooker, though Judd Trump can summon 10ft pots with mm precision and screw (“draw”) the cue back seven feet on a snooker table, so he is not without monster stroke, as evidenced by his potent break-shame we saw little of it in this match which Jason so convincingly dominated. They are both supernaturally skilled and poised champions-would love to see a rematch invitational on a snooker table.
Pool players would get absolutely embarrassed playing snooker against the best like Judd. He wouldn’t win a single frame, I’m pretty sure about that.
@@welshed The pockets are like buckets. If Ronnie or Judd went full time on these tables, they would win. Snooker players have superior cueing techniques due to tighter margins. Even a top pool player would get thrashed playing Snooker against the likes of Judd.
Shaw would not get anywhere near winning a single frame
I tell everybody that I play with. If you think you're really good at shooting, play on a snooker table. You'll be humbled real quick
@Welsh Ed just like this snooker player got embarrassed playing pool here and missing the easiest shots in the world.
00:25 imagine an announcement like that at the crucible 🤣🤣🤣
*makes one safety shot* commentator: He’s been excellent at safeties thus far. *misses one ball* commentator: he’s been struggling to make balls.
He’s talking about through the tournament. Have u intuition?
Watch Judd Trump's match vs Abullah Al'Shammari and you'll get it. He was proficient in safeties and he won by a wide margin despite all the balls he missed
It was always the orange 5 and should still be the orange 5😊favourite colour
Phill Yates is unbearably annoying.
One of the best games I have ever seen
These are the worst balls.
Get rid of them!
That first rack’s 4-9 fluke knocked the wind right out of Trump and gave Shaw all the momentum he needed. I agree with a lot of the comments, they should alternate breaks otherwise it is way too one sided. Props to Shaw though - what a fantastic player.
Jason whipping that guy
'that guy' lil thats judd trump more skill with a cue than all pool players combined
@@filthyuncleben2645 not when he cant kick properly. and do you even watch the match? he lost 11-1 how is he better?
@@barongasher4385 I wouldn't say he's better than all pool players with a cue, but I mean he's currently ranked world #2 in Snooker, was world #1 for a while last year. These guys in this tournament wouldn't last a frame in Judd's territory hahaha
@@xDioveht take the L and walk away.
He lost. Stop being a sore loser
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu lmao how am I being a sore loser? I'm just helping the other two understand that he's one of the best snooker players in the world. Shaw played amazing and it was a well deserved win, and he's a favourite to win the tournament.
Anyone who thought Judd was a favorite over Shaw has absolutely ZERO understanding of elite level pool. Two different skill sets people.
Pareció algo aplastante luego vi algunos 11-1,11-2,11-4 un 11-0 y demás resultados así tanto de alguno q ganaba y luego perdía del mismo modo pareciera un torneo q fue a sorteo
Jason is a true champion..
If Shaw didn't fluke the 9 ball in the 1st frame, may have been a closer result
If I lost 50 lbs I could have a closer result to Usain Bolt in the 200 meters
@@JohnS-il1dr and if I had balls, I'd be your uncle.....
Great to see judd watch pool. He had a good day In hong kong today tbf.... didnt win a round but good to see him going for his chances