@@omega7824 for rally and garrison, i need to revisit my calculation to validate. the info in the video is probably is still true but I didnt wanna claim invalid slight error in calculation as true. For open field, 2 kvk, 3 leadership, 1 non set chest is still going to be the best.
Because this is brand new channel, timestamps doesn't work for now. Here you go: 0:00 Intro 1:24 Infantry 6:23 Cavalry 7:21 Archer 11:09 Siege 14:00 Outro 14:29 Bloopers
Thanks for the video. I agree with your calculations for field fighting. As far as Seige goes; I have Gonzalo maxed and Margaret at 5535. I also have Barbar and Gaja at 5511. Margaret gives Gonzalo the ability to escape in order to preserve your trade ratios. If you don't care about getting away and want maximum damage, use Gaja with Gonzalo. My siege march is my highest yielding march. Better than my two expertised infantry and two Cavs and one Archer. Seige is very useful
Really love this style of video comparing equipment sets mathematically 🔥🔥 Wondering if you can go 1 step deeper and do a BIS list for equipment on each of the different meta marches for field, garrison, and rally? Or breakpoints in Health and Defense from commander skills + armaments where one set becomes superior to another? Commander skills bring different amounts of defense and health, which changes the calculation. For example, Gorgo + Hera's skills bring +60% Health and only 15% Defense, while LC + Alex brings +0% Health and +70% Defense from skills + museum. So an equipment set that sacrifices total tank stats to have a higher health : defense ratio, like Glorious legs + boots, will be much better on a LC + Alex march than a Gorgo + Hera garrison. Love the channel!
I’m an archer player and agree with the ultimate set you listed. As you get more KVK prints for the weapon and helm and move towards level 5 the difference becomes even more pronounced.
one of the biggest things for garrison is that you've always got hera secondary and some amount of mixed troops so the leadership gear being stats for all troops is really nice too
Great vid! Love getting into the math of all of it. I would say that for your archer gear, you could get a bit better tankiness using Spartan gaming's build of Pride of Khan (Yes, I know it is meant to be a cav piece, it has 8% archer health tho!), DB plate and boots, Hydra's w/ gauntlets and chausses of the glorious goddess. If my math is mathing, you should get 3% attack, 41.5% defense and 27% health, wherein your recommended set for archer open field would net 15% attack, 34% defense and 26% health. One can argue small differences, but isn't the point of min-maxing to get every single point of the best stat we can? With the chase stats being health and then defense, that might work a bit better for some people. Someone please feel free to fact check me here if I happen to be missing something! Thanks and keep up the great work!
The "best" set you recommend is the best in a vaccum. Best in slot players will have 12+% health and 15% health in skins/armaments. In certain scenarios the orginal BIS inf set is still the best.
for f2p to low spenders you have to take into consideration how long it will take you to get blueprints needed and not just overall stats for example for archers i decided to go with milkyway and ians choice bec the blueprints just fall into your lap without much effort i only have to chase leadersahip blueprints and kvk blueprints
It's not a bad thing to say that you didn't do the calculation. Also, watching 'wick gaming' is not boring. Still, after that guy, I was excited to see a channel that was interested in the mathematics of the game. Even if you do not make the calculations yourself, you can make videos based on the current situation. It's funny that you say it would be boring to explain how I calculated it when your whole body language is just screaming that you're lying.
Hey man. I am replying to your comment simply to defend my hard work. You are correct on 1 thing. I really debated whether I should include the damage formula explanation or not. But I decided not to but still had doubts. However, the amount of work I put to calculate the results is still true and I made this calculation sheet from scratch. I understand your intention is not malicious and seeking truth, which I respect. I should have said, "I am not gonna explain the formula on this video but I will have separate video in future." Just because I did not want to explain it everytime I make this type of damage formula related video. Just fyi, watch this video me explaining the damage formula and you shall see truth (its old vid and the data is outdated). th-cam.com/video/dCZzEHi2ciA/w-d-xo.html
I see. I shall give credits to Wick gaming in future. I found about this formula from Fleisch's sheet first time. And contacted Speckoh (creator of RoK simulator) to understand it deeper. And I thought the formula was provided by Lilith to public. Never knew Wick calculated the formula himself, not provided by Lilith.
Yeah, but I run Wu/Liu for infantry march, and most of my troops are cavalry. So I need to boost some walking speed, or I’ll only be able to fight with cavalry and archers. Losing 3% tankiness and taking 5% worse trades is still better than not being able to fight at all, and the other option is way cheaper, so I can focus on awakening and crit gear.
the variant of the set for archers: kvk helmet, kvk weapon, bib and boots from the dragon's breath set, pants and gloves from the leadership set, it seems to me this is a good option, and there is also an option: kvk helmet and weapons, bib, gloves, pants, boots from the dragon's breath set, this option is also good
great video, but nowadays i think for testing need also to consider armaments because you may get so many health in armaments and less attack or vise versa..
I added this calculation later on. It was really good viable option as well! It performed right in the middle between the 2 equipment I showcased here. So as compared to 3 leadership gear, you are losing tad bit tankiness but gaining tad bit punching power.
@@BilegtROK Heya bro cheers! I see that now in the spreadsheet you have linked in the description 🤙 I noticed a small error though regarding the leadership gloves that impacts the tankiness a bit. At Awakening I, leadership gloves give +4 base defense - rather than +4 base attack like other gloves. For an infantry field set, curious how you feel about: KvK helm, Hope Cloak, Infantry shield + boots, Leader legs + gloves And for infantry rally/garrison, curious what you think about: KvK helm + hammer, Hope Cloak, Eternal Night, Leader boots + gloves Basically, is it worth using leadership gloves for the +4 base defense increase, and then using either leader legs or boots to complete the 2/6 set bonus? At awaken II: Eternal Night has 16% defense vs Leadership legs 10.5% health (~1.52 defense : 1 health) Infantry boots have 11.5% defense vs Leadership boots 8% health & 1.5% attack (~1.44 defense : 1 health + attack)
Nice video, just wondering what did you used as base stats? War tech, kvk tech, alliance tech, shrine buff and which commander’s stats?🤔 or did you not take into account one (or more) of these?
Everything except commander stats which includes talent stats as well. Kvk max tech only considered to verify rally and garrison situation. So its civilization base stats, legendary gear iconic base stats, alliance tech, war tech, vip bonus, building bonus, holy sites. I do think that the gear can be different depending on the commander pairs but I just havent looked into it. For example gorgo+constantine garrison (just random example) they may still wanna have the old meta gear instead of the leadership gear.
@@BilegtROK that’s fair, it can indeed change between commanders (between ragnar prime’s +40% def or constantine +40% health)… but overall it’s good video. But what I’m interested are the next videos, where you’ll need to take care of counter damage (200/turn), basic damage (200/turn), normal damage (counter+basic damage combined), active skill damage buff (from 4k to 10k every 7 to 10 turns), all damage and most annoying of all: rage generation buff🤯, I’ve subscribed to see if and how you tackle you’ll have fun with that😉 good luck
Thanks man! The damage formula actually can represent normal atk dmg and counter atk damage. So this video can represent the solid basics how to say. However, as you say, it doesnt represent commander specific buffs, for example martel or hera counter attack damage boosts, talent tree RNGs such as rage generation etc. I think your comment gave me a very good idea that when I do "Commander Review" videos, I shall include the math calculation and not only suggest pairs but also equipments. 😁 Thanks again man!
Its britian vs britian on 6 set vs 3 leadership gear. If i compare brit vs otto, britian has -2.9% less trade potential and -4.7% less tanky with 3 leadership gear.
nah if your seige you only want is attack not def or health,. you just need to position your self much better, and you dont need to tank, you just need to KS in every clash thats it, also legendary can be awaken,. im not sure if your a player of ROK,
Infantry and cavalry gear is ok. But in archer i only have 2 option 6 set pure archer but look at the stats of 6 set pure leadership almost better stats than the full 6 archer.
But if you are f2p or low spender choose the most convenient gear like soc gear, chest gear. Inventory gear is optional so choose wisely what's the better stats :)
Bro this video is the best equipment information, If I may ask if you can share sprdseed/excel files on your video, if not then it's not a problem, sorry if I have to ask like this
That is actually quite vaible option. I added the set at the bottom if you wanna see it yourself. It is performing slightly better than the 3 leadership combination but losing 1% tankiness as you are sacrificing 10% HP. I would still prefer the 3 leadership combo unless you are playing ZL and Shajar combo which gives +65% HP which equalizes the total Def and HP stat for max performance.
I think the set you just mentioned is the best in slot for ZL and shajar actually for some wierd non meta combo for ZL primary and shajar secondary. This is just speculation but sounds quite strong. The other best sets doesnt fulfill this commander comb9 to its fullest.
@@BilegtROKThanks! Unlucky i didn't see that comment earlier 😭 I did calculate dmg and tankiness myself, and you are right, 3ls+milky way is the most tanky set (i came up with 230764,1 vs 228335,8 tankiness for non civ). I was using everythingrok calculator for dmg, and it came out to dealing 4 more sevs/turn for getting 2 more sevs/turn for 2/2/2.
and i didn't include crystal tech, once you implement it 3 ls will come out on top, i hope this video will reach more people, so my future 3ls+milky way won't look so weird 😅
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Please disregard "Archer Garrison or Rally" gear, I made an error there. The rest of the info is true and no errors.
so is 2-2-2 is better ? what if you use 2 kvk ,2 leadership ,2 non-set chest and glove??
@@omega7824 for rally and garrison, i need to revisit my calculation to validate. the info in the video is probably is still true but I didnt wanna claim invalid slight error in calculation as true. For open field, 2 kvk, 3 leadership, 1 non set chest is still going to be the best.
Great video mate 👌😁
Max 2 2 2 for archer is 22.5atk 43.3def and 31.2 Hp
@@omega7824should be 2 kvk 2 leader and 2 archer
Because this is brand new channel, timestamps doesn't work for now. Here you go:
0:00 Intro
1:24 Infantry
6:23 Cavalry
7:21 Archer
11:09 Siege
14:00 Outro
14:29 Bloopers
Thanks for the video. I agree with your calculations for field fighting. As far as Seige goes; I have Gonzalo maxed and Margaret at 5535. I also have Barbar and Gaja at 5511.
Margaret gives Gonzalo the ability to escape in order to preserve your trade ratios. If you don't care about getting away and want maximum damage, use Gaja with Gonzalo.
My siege march is my highest yielding march. Better than my two expertised infantry and two Cavs and one Archer. Seige is very useful
hype is real. cant wait to make mine as well!
Really love this style of video comparing equipment sets mathematically 🔥🔥
Wondering if you can go 1 step deeper and do a BIS list for equipment on each of the different meta marches for field, garrison, and rally? Or breakpoints in Health and Defense from commander skills + armaments where one set becomes superior to another? Commander skills bring different amounts of defense and health, which changes the calculation.
For example, Gorgo + Hera's skills bring +60% Health and only 15% Defense, while LC + Alex brings +0% Health and +70% Defense from skills + museum.
So an equipment set that sacrifices total tank stats to have a higher health : defense ratio, like Glorious legs + boots, will be much better on a LC + Alex march than a Gorgo + Hera garrison.
Love the channel!
I’m an archer player and agree with the ultimate set you listed. As you get more KVK prints for the weapon and helm and move towards level 5 the difference becomes even more pronounced.
Sad thing is so hard to make changes when you already have your sets. Game punishes you for destroying legend equip.
The best equipment guide here!
one of the biggest things for garrison is that you've always got hera secondary and some amount of mixed troops so the leadership gear being stats for all troops is really nice too
i like the science you have put behind your theory, keep the content coming!!
I love the bloopers had me dying fam thank you for this. 😂
Let's gooo!
Great vid! Love getting into the math of all of it. I would say that for your archer gear, you could get a bit better tankiness using Spartan gaming's build of Pride of Khan (Yes, I know it is meant to be a cav piece, it has 8% archer health tho!), DB plate and boots, Hydra's w/ gauntlets and chausses of the glorious goddess. If my math is mathing, you should get 3% attack, 41.5% defense and 27% health, wherein your recommended set for archer open field would net 15% attack, 34% defense and 26% health. One can argue small differences, but isn't the point of min-maxing to get every single point of the best stat we can? With the chase stats being health and then defense, that might work a bit better for some people. Someone please feel free to fact check me here if I happen to be missing something! Thanks and keep up the great work!
fairly solid work. naturally armaments & iconics will skew the results but tankiness is always appreciated.
Great vid, nice update on equipment options
I'm glad to see you back
Thank youuuuu. Complete equipment guide
The "best" set you recommend is the best in a vaccum. Best in slot players will have 12+% health and 15% health in skins/armaments. In certain scenarios the orginal BIS inf set is still the best.
Good stuff we need same math for budget equipment 👀
for f2p to low spenders you have to take into consideration how long it will take you to get blueprints needed and not just overall stats for example for archers i decided to go with milkyway and ians choice bec the blueprints just fall into your lap without much effort i only have to chase leadersahip blueprints and kvk blueprints
Great video and info!
Very good content mate
Thanks for sharing this information, very informative.
It's not a bad thing to say that you didn't do the calculation. Also, watching 'wick gaming' is not boring.
Still, after that guy, I was excited to see a channel that was interested in the mathematics of the game.
Even if you do not make the calculations yourself, you can make videos based on the current situation.
It's funny that you say it would be boring to explain how I calculated it when your whole body language is just screaming that you're lying.
Hey man. I am replying to your comment simply to defend my hard work. You are correct on 1 thing. I really debated whether I should include the damage formula explanation or not. But I decided not to but still had doubts. However, the amount of work I put to calculate the results is still true and I made this calculation sheet from scratch. I understand your intention is not malicious and seeking truth, which I respect. I should have said, "I am not gonna explain the formula on this video but I will have separate video in future." Just because I did not want to explain it everytime I make this type of damage formula related video. Just fyi, watch this video me explaining the damage formula and you shall see truth (its old vid and the data is outdated). th-cam.com/video/dCZzEHi2ciA/w-d-xo.html
I see. I shall give credits to Wick gaming in future. I found about this formula from Fleisch's sheet first time. And contacted Speckoh (creator of RoK simulator) to understand it deeper. And I thought the formula was provided by Lilith to public. Never knew Wick calculated the formula himself, not provided by Lilith.
@@BilegtROK I hope you develop this with good facilities and help many players who cannot access this information easily.
Yeah, but I run Wu/Liu for infantry march, and most of my troops are cavalry. So I need to boost some walking speed, or I’ll only be able to fight with cavalry and archers. Losing 3% tankiness and taking 5% worse trades is still better than not being able to fight at all, and the other option is way cheaper, so I can focus on awakening and crit gear.
talking about cavs and Archers I'm with you, very nice video
the variant of the set for archers: kvk helmet, kvk weapon, bib and boots from the dragon's breath set, pants and gloves from the leadership set, it seems to me this is a good option, and there is also an option: kvk helmet and weapons, bib, gloves, pants, boots from the dragon's breath set, this option is also good
great video, but nowadays i think for testing need also to consider armaments because you may get so many health in armaments and less attack or vise versa..
Great vid ❤ can you also make similaires one for araments?
Excellent video
welcome back !
Love this video!
Good stuff i subbed
Nice work
Good job 👍 , can you make a video which civilization is the best also the special units ? Thx in advance
GOOD vid thanks
Great video bro}
For archer equipment, what are your thoughts on:
2 kvk, archer chest + boots, leader legs + gloves?
I didn't see it in your list
I added this calculation later on. It was really good viable option as well! It performed right in the middle between the 2 equipment I showcased here. So as compared to 3 leadership gear, you are losing tad bit tankiness but gaining tad bit punching power.
@@BilegtROK Heya bro cheers! I see that now in the spreadsheet you have linked in the description 🤙
I noticed a small error though regarding the leadership gloves that impacts the tankiness a bit.
At Awakening I, leadership gloves give +4 base defense - rather than +4 base attack like other gloves.
For an infantry field set, curious how you feel about:
KvK helm, Hope Cloak, Infantry shield + boots, Leader legs + gloves
And for infantry rally/garrison, curious what you think about:
KvK helm + hammer, Hope Cloak, Eternal Night, Leader boots + gloves
Basically, is it worth using leadership gloves for the +4 base defense increase, and then using either leader legs or boots to complete the 2/6 set bonus?
At awaken II:
Eternal Night has 16% defense vs Leadership legs 10.5% health (~1.52 defense : 1 health)
Infantry boots have 11.5% defense vs Leadership boots 8% health & 1.5% attack (~1.44 defense : 1 health + attack)
@@xDread thank you so much for your correction! as well as suggessions! Very keen eyes. I will adjust accordingly and see what happens.
Nice video, just wondering what did you used as base stats? War tech, kvk tech, alliance tech, shrine buff and which commander’s stats?🤔 or did you not take into account one (or more) of these?
Everything except commander stats which includes talent stats as well. Kvk max tech only considered to verify rally and garrison situation. So its civilization base stats, legendary gear iconic base stats, alliance tech, war tech, vip bonus, building bonus, holy sites. I do think that the gear can be different depending on the commander pairs but I just havent looked into it. For example gorgo+constantine garrison (just random example) they may still wanna have the old meta gear instead of the leadership gear.
@@BilegtROK that’s fair, it can indeed change between commanders (between ragnar prime’s +40% def or constantine +40% health)… but overall it’s good video. But what I’m interested are the next videos, where you’ll need to take care of counter damage (200/turn), basic damage (200/turn), normal damage (counter+basic damage combined), active skill damage buff (from 4k to 10k every 7 to 10 turns), all damage and most annoying of all: rage generation buff🤯, I’ve subscribed to see if and how you tackle you’ll have fun with that😉 good luck
Thanks man! The damage formula actually can represent normal atk dmg and counter atk damage. So this video can represent the solid basics how to say. However, as you say, it doesnt represent commander specific buffs, for example martel or hera counter attack damage boosts, talent tree RNGs such as rage generation etc. I think your comment gave me a very good idea that when I do "Commander Review" videos, I shall include the math calculation and not only suggest pairs but also equipments. 😁 Thanks again man!
10:00 Britain performs better than Ottoman with the 222 archer set, or is the % for Ottoman based on their score with the full archer set?
Its britian vs britian on 6 set vs 3 leadership gear. If i compare brit vs otto, britian has -2.9% less trade potential and -4.7% less tanky with 3 leadership gear.
nah if your seige you only want is attack not def or health,.
you just need to position your self much better, and you dont need to tank, you just need to KS in every clash thats it, also legendary can be awaken,.
im not sure if your a player of ROK,
just fyi, awakened base stats have been calculated. And you still get counter attack damage from range though.
Would be nice if you could cover Leadership gear also.
The problem with leadership equipment is that he is much harder to get that inf ones which is easily purschased aat llk shop
Infantry and cavalry gear is ok. But in archer i only have 2 option 6 set pure archer but look at the stats of 6 set pure leadership almost better stats than the full 6 archer.
But if you are f2p or low spender choose the most convenient gear like soc gear, chest gear. Inventory gear is optional so choose wisely what's the better stats :)
your back on rok lol i missed you bro
You may have missed a few factors into the math, still, a very nice video
if u would include iconic tiers V on all i would love to see that, how that would perform
Bro this video is the best equipment information, If I may ask if you can share sprdseed/excel files on your video, if not then it's not a problem, sorry if I have to ask like this
Its now in the description bro.
@@BilegtROK thanks bro you are the best!!!
Hi! What about a different combination of 2/2/2?Leadership pants + gloves and db chest + boots?
That is actually quite vaible option. I added the set at the bottom if you wanna see it yourself. It is performing slightly better than the 3 leadership combination but losing 1% tankiness as you are sacrificing 10% HP. I would still prefer the 3 leadership combo unless you are playing ZL and Shajar combo which gives +65% HP which equalizes the total Def and HP stat for max performance.
I think the set you just mentioned is the best in slot for ZL and shajar actually for some wierd non meta combo for ZL primary and shajar secondary. This is just speculation but sounds quite strong. The other best sets doesnt fulfill this commander comb9 to its fullest.
@@BilegtROKThanks! Unlucky i didn't see that comment earlier 😭 I did calculate dmg and tankiness myself, and you are right, 3ls+milky way is the most tanky set (i came up with 230764,1 vs 228335,8 tankiness for non civ). I was using everythingrok calculator for dmg, and it came out to dealing 4 more sevs/turn for getting 2 more sevs/turn for 2/2/2.
@@BilegtROKI would be thankful for being able to see excel myself, where i can find it? Nice video btw, might go for 3 ls now
and i didn't include crystal tech, once you implement it 3 ls will come out on top, i hope this video will reach more people, so my future 3ls+milky way won't look so weird 😅
can you link your sheet wo there can see you calculations and test results? I myself would love to look at it a bit my self
very good video
(Not so) quick maths….anyway good video 😁
thank you bro ☺
Good content
Math asian eqipment your thumbnail gg😂!
😁
Even when having fun I can't escape Excel 😭
base stats for non civ archers are wrong, it should be 216 defense and 212 health
Thanks for pointing out! Fixed. Also found other small errors as well!
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Strange set for infantry tbh but I like health ha ha.
are you in 2994?
im pretty sure i rallied you in kvk last week from fire camp
Oh yeah! It was strong rally man!
@@BilegtROK thanks was the 2nd rally i ever did haha hopfully we can have a decent kingsland
so much waste in materials for my infantry equipment 😂 man at this point i’m get rid of my boots and arms in stead of my cloak n internal