Why Can't I Forgive Her?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- This is a exceptional scene from the show Newsroom where the character Will is having a conversation with his psychiatrist. In the exchange, Will is asking why he can't forgive his former female companion who cheated on him. What his psychiatrist makes Will take notice of is something I find profound and connect with on so many levels.
Beautifully written and acted scene. And such a simple line....."you weren't rejected......you were betrayed".......than answers so many questions.
i know, 7 months, but wich questions have answers now? because he search for his way to be with her in harmony! thats why he wants to be able to forgive her, but he cant, it hurts him to much! i´ve love this szene, but the answer from the therapist means nothing less than, "let her go".....(in my opinion). but this he cant aswell! so for him, nothing changes even after this line
and i know well what this feeling means
@@lllMacBethlll She didn't just throw him away. She lied.
He can forgive A. But B will take a little more work.
@@JoshSweetvale this isnt an answer for his feelings aswell, but work is a good point. even in the series she did not really apologize. he did all the work. i really hated the ending in this relationship, wich is one of the hardest to cure. she did betray him, where was her work at all in this? but i didnt like his "revenge sex" aswell. and everytime they had time to speak....something happend and interrupt everything until the end..... im so unsatisfied with this ^^ ...
@@lllMacBethlll The doctor's answer isn't intended to answer the question of what he should do, but to explain why he's having trouble doing it. Even now, he wants to forgive her and realizes he's the impasse. He never stopped loving her. She never stopped loving him. She apologized over and over again. He only accepted it and forgave her when he realized that ultimately he was the only one preventing his own happiness in being with her. He had to come to the conclusion on his own in order to organically make the choice.
@@colinsmith4377 the docters answer has no room for insight, the answer is only right. thats why i dont like they end this discussion here. if this would end here, he comes empty and he leaves empty
"She apologized over and over again" theres not one szene she was really sorry, she was thinking he have to understand, (we can discuss the last, as she said "i brutally hurt you" but it isnt an apologize) show me one where she is really really sorry for what she was doing. there not a single view his anger about her could be a relief she would accepted. no in the first episodes she was angry about his anger.... wtf, and she was hiding behind excuses all the time. so she didnt rly reflect her doing, otherwise she would understand him....but she didnt
this was childsplay, but not an acting of 2 growed people
this can never be an happy ending. they both didnt grow up in there relationship
the thing is, he never was making a choice! he only wanted to hurt her too, thats not love
he had to say: "i want to be with you, but im so fucking angry....i cant get over it..." and thats where she had ALOT to do if she really loves him and had regrets
I think the actor for this psychiatrist really acted well.
He's come a long way from "You can't stop the signal, Mal!"
+DevilTakeMe He's come a long way from being Wednesday Adams boyfriend
+Crumb Bum hes come a long way from being Santa's head elf
He also plays the middle eastern lavash from sausage party.
He's come a long way from 10 Things I Hate About You.
This shit hits hard. Especially when you’ve been both rejected and betrayed.
"It was the middle of the night, there was nothing left to read."
"Except the entire rest of the internet."
Only Aaron Sorkin does that ...
"Because you WEREN'T rejected, you were betrayed."
Thats deep
I wish I understood its depth.
Will makes a very good point about encyclopedias. it's true that you need to know what you are searching for on Google or Wikipedia. i guess thats one perk that encyclopedias have over the internet, Randomness.
I know the reply is late, but imo yes and no, sometimes, you're looking for something specific on Wikipedia or Google, and the following articles take you to somewhere else completely, and on and on, I guess that, today, you probably need to be more curious, but it takes you much farther
+Marc Klein on Wikipedia, hit alt+shift+x.
That's awesome. We now have the randomness of hardback encyclopedias back. (BIG HUGZ)
I would say the randomness is much greater for the internet. Wikipedia for example have many hyperlinks within an article which will take you to other articles immediately. You aren't even confined to words and terms that start with the same letter. Not to mention article of the day on the front page.
Someone hasn't been on a wikiwalk....
Incredible writing and incredibly acting. This is one of the best performances in “The Newroom.”
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There are three scenes that perfectly contextualize the totality of Will's character. This is one of them. The other two are SPOILERS...
SERIOUSLY
DON'T KEEP READING IF YOU'RE WATCHING THE SHOW
IT'S BEST TO TAKE IT IN FOR YOURSELF
FINAL WARNING
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The scene when he was in prison with his "father," and archive tape from his 9/11 coverage.
You watch these three scenes, and you will perfectly understand everything about who Will is, and why he makes every decision he does.
This is an interesting display of therapy. Usually, the therapist doesn't want to give the answer, but guide the person to seeing the answer for themselves. But Will kept changing the subject every time the therapist started leading him down that path. So to shock him, the therapist tells him the answer point blank.
What I'm studying is that, as a therapist, you can give answers when you have enough information and, at the same time, the patient could've got to the same conclusion and is ready to understand it and internalize it. I think this scene was very well done.
True, perhaps, yes. There are many forms of therapy a therapist can provide based upon any given clients' needs and/or presenting concerns: client-centered therapy; Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy; Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy (CBT; most commonly utilized); Gestalt therapy; these are among the types currently in practice. I have a M.S. Clinical Psychology-Applied Research.
Anybody else feel like they just went through their own therapy session after watching this? Like am I the only one who was taken aback by that last line? Who sat in silence for a full minute afterward before saying “Holy Shit...”
It wasn't a single, solitary instance. It was months on Mac's part. That's a lot of un-rejecting. Here's the thing...forgiveness doesn't mean condoning. Forgiving doesn't mean the relationship has to resume. To quote a movie I saw dealing with cheating "Some things you do in life...they stick."
And finding the heart to forgive, even when betrayal exists, this is where grace enters the picture.
Truth. One of the best scenes in the entire series.
I need this shrink
everyone does
I'd watch a show with this psychiatrist! Very soothing voice. :D
Ya he is good on Numbers but usually a bit more energetic and math oriented.
In every one of Sorkin's shows/movies, there is a point where the insightful psychiatrist appears and saves the hero.
I watch this clip and wonder how Will ever forgave Mackenzie. Coming from a similar background and finding myself in such a horrifyingly similar situation, I wonder how I can ever forgive betrayal. Because the thought plagues me no matter how hard I try to overcome it.
+Rashid Bey same cant ever forgive a betrayal like that doesnt matter what my girl does to make up for it, that is one thing i can never forgive.... il just cut off everything and start anew
+Luciferarrow It really comes down to how much you love someone and how much you think second chances are worth. Nobody can answer that for you. Good luck.
I believe part of the self-torture could be you asking yourself what it was that you did (or didn't do) to allow it to occur. The "what-if's", the replay of events and / or conversations that might have caused or prevented it.
I'll have to watch my Blu-Rays to confirm this, but I believe Will resolved this problem by telling a joke to Mackenzie about a kid who went to see a psychiatrist that his parents sent him to because he damaged the furniture (or some acting-out gesture) and the parents simply told him to simply stop doing it and he won't need therapy. Basically, Will simply decided to stop punishing her and move on with his life by marrying her. Simplistic I know but this is a TV show, not real life. I too have trust issues due to past failed relationships and have decided to live alone. Good idea or bad, who can say?
@@DavidTSmith-jn5bs actually when they botched the Genoa operation news broadcast he tells Charlie that they did everything right except what they did wrong and that's when he realises Mac did everything right except for what she did wrong and runs to propose 😀
Thank you for uploading this.
Truly a brilliant scene --------- and sooooo insightful. Yay therapists!!
Why do I have the feeling I just had a subliminal message planted into my brain? I swear to God if I wake up one day and have bought 32 Ice Cream scoops on Amazon.
"You can't browse for anything anymore."
That's so true. That's why I miss Blockbuster.
You can't always give people forgiveness for theirs or your own sake. Some action's go beyond such basic, and rathe rpassive human psychology. Betrayal is probably one of the single most pervasive feeling's anyone can feel especially if they know it without doubt. No amount of internal justification will ever absolve flat-out betrayal. You are completely at the mercy of the person you hurt. They can either forgive you to alleviate their own conscience, forget the betrayal the ol' water under the bridge routine, or they distance themselves, or a mix of all three.
From rejection to betrayal, you can fit two worlds in the distance between these words
What a great fucking line!
How come when I use this on my girl she just throws coffee in my face.
"Baby, it had nothing to do with you, I was just sleeping around because of my own insecurities."
I really miss this show.
I've heard some therapy in my life but fuck me did that hit hard....
David Krumholtz was amazing is this role.
You don't forgive cuz they deserve it. You forgive cuz you deserve it (the start closer for yourself) cheaters don't deserve forgiveness. All said this does not mean you have to or even should give the cheaters another chance to do it again.
Forgiving and forgetting are two different things.
To be honest, I still think of him as Bernard from those silly Tim Allen Santa movies :c) Memories!
I see him as Charlie from Numbers, I miss that show.
I couldn't begin to forgive anyone until I know what exactly happened... ...
the bait-and-switch thing and this silence
has really melted my brain... ...
It has been eight goddamn years and I can still say, yep, I get it. You don't forgive that stuff. Ever.
That you haven't, doesn't mean you never will, or that you might at all. It's complicated and every person and situation is different.
If you stand in the rain without a jacket, you won't get a cold.
I made a woman, the most valuable thing in my life, she drove me in all sorts of ways, but was never able to make her mine. She fell in love with someone else and got married after a 7 year long relationship. Now, I was never betrayed or cheated on. But the weight of her loss is making me rethink everything,
Oh oh oh it’s FRED from drop dead diva ❣️
Nope. It’s the guy from 10 things I hate about you.
Great scene.
That psychiatrist stabbed Carter and Lucy!!!!!!
Paul Sobreki from ER
Mr Universe knows all.
still looking for helpmeronda
No you can't forgive her . . . nor should you ever
@ mike McTavish. As Will says in a later scene, Mac took everything he threw at her, and she still loved him. Everyone does stupid things. Everyone makes mistakes. we all need forgiveness at some point in our lives.
Because I don't know what she did
Soo I just keep wondering
Nigga please. I been forgave her. It doesn't mean we have to get back together.
@Dameion Fresh. Which season and episode this scene comes from? Thanks in advance. rgds alex
what episode is this from
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They'll have to bring this show back again, when we have our next Republican President.
We needed this show while Obama was in his second term ... i.imgflip.com/1f4i3e.jpg
Mmm. I am not sure this comment aged well
She doesn't deserve to be forgiven for betraying you and cheating on you. Can't be loyal to your partner in a relationship then get the fuck out, there is no forgiveness for cheating nor betrayal.
I wonder how many Poptarts this fuckin toaster went through before being forced to record this video c.c
and he has file cabinet in him if that not stocking i dont know what is on top make tv and movies out of did i make money of it no not one cent
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