Lame as hell. I won't ever be buying comics with AI art and if that is the future so be it, I will hold on to my collection of classics made by people with vision and creativity.
Ai in commercial products is pathetic. It should only be used for disposable ads, products and photos of me as a buff man for my tinder profiles like a normal person.
There's a meme where its a little girl and shes saying "wait dad you knew about bitcoin in 2009 and we're still poor?" So far all the early adopters of emerging technologies are now some of the richest people. The later adopters are the ones struggling rn.
1. AI can't be stopped. It can only be regulated. 2. It's not being regulated. People have to get in the the ground floor, now, before politicians can figure out what AI even is. Once AI gets regulated, you have to hope that it isn't regulated into the ground. But, as they say; Grab that bag while you can.
If the human resistance sent Joe Glass back in time to stop Skynet from being created, his whole effort would be a few tweets and a whiny letter to Parliament.
There was a time when restaurants hired chefs. My dad got his training as a chef with Morrison’s buffet when I was a kid. Restaurants the size of Chili’s had a chef in the kitchen. And now they’re all gone. As a chef myself, I understand we did it to ourselves. Chefs are demanding and can be uncompromising. We can be hard to work with. And that caused the industry on the large scale, to change. Chain restaurants boil their recipes down to the point where a high schooler can make a dish with a microwave in under 10 minutes. We were made unnecessary because of us. Now if you’re a chef you have to own and operate your own restaurant. That’s really the only way you can make any money doing it. And now AI is doing this to artists. Because they can be difficult to work with by their very nature. There will be very few artists working in big comics in the future. And like chefs, they’ll have to create their own business in order to do any work that has any meaning or profit to them.
People are still struggling to cone to terms with why AI is a thing. They don't understand that a company would rather pay nothing for a decent product than to pay a standard artists rate for the same product. There's a reason why there's a load of crappy AI artwork out there but none if it looks anywhere near as good as a Jim Lee, Greg Capullo, Brett Booth etc. All AI artwork is capable of at the moment is taking the glut of low effort/quality art out of the bottom of the industry (and the same is true of the writing side of the industry too.) The only reason they still have jobs is because being a creative is the one field that people think shouldn't be automated (even as they praise self checkout machines at McDonald's because their mental illness makes them terrific of having a conversation with a stranger). Sooner or later that societal change will happen & marvel/dc/boom/valiant will commission some coder to do their books for them & 80% of the industry will disappear overnight
Honestly, I'm sick of AI. I know its here to stay, unfortunately, and if that is the case, it'll be getting no money from me. If I pay for something, I want my money to go towards the real people who made a genuine effort with the quality of content they made as opposed to a corporation's half-assed profit scheme. The fact that its used as a crutch to cut costs while consumers are still expected to pay the same price is quite frankly disgusting. Thank God I didn't pay for Black Ops 6.
Prompter, the word you seek is prompter. Go full AI and put it on the cover of your stuff. Have fortitude and conviction and use it with clear labeling. I am sick of this debate.
I love Marvel Rivals and wanted to learn more about Moon Knight so rather than read about him on some Wiki page, I actually went to my local shop. I havent been to a comic book store in over a decade and I thought I'd just thumb through some floppys and pick a few up randomly. I was there for over an hour talking to the clerk, I made a few new friends that I'm gonna play Rivals with tonight, and I spent over $140 on some Epic Collections of West Coast Avengers and Moon Knight! I had a great time and its all thanks to Rivals. I'm telling ya, this game is the spark the industry has been waiting on. I'm stoked you're enjoying the game as well 🤙
AI doesn't "learn'. it copies in iterative ways. learning implies a cognitive process with choosing to take steps among alternatives. A computer doesn't choose, it executes commands. this is the main reason AI art would not pass copyright laws.
I think AI is a good tool, but it's just annoying how much is all over the internet and looks bad, image search is nearly useless lol I'm sure that the trend will die out tho in the same way those sketch filters people would put on their photos lol
the best part about "technical experts" who hate "GenAI" is claiming that Artists were not Hired. You don't lose your "Artist card" because you work with the latest tools. Love to see the false conflation of terms. Nobody lost jobs to AI, they lost work to Artists that use AI, "Stop de-humanising Artists Joe Glass !"
Photoshop has AI tools now. (Not the best AI, but it's there.) Anybody who needs to meet a deadline will find it handy-or frustrating if it's not giving you what you ask for.
Gonna be honest with you, my guy. If I see AI, I avoid. I don't click. I don't engage. Like, I understand that 'it's the future' and all that, but I haven't seen AI art yet that I enjoy. This hasn't changed, even as AI has gotten better. If AI is the future, I'm going to be spending A LOT less money on visual media as time goes on.
My buddy has been using this AI writing tool to make short stories for his own amusement, and I could swear an actual person wrote them. This is going to be really helpful for doing some manuscripts.
I thought the hairline was called a “widow’s peak”? Not completely sure why though…?!😵💫 I don’t wanna look. I’m gonna research why. Lol. Thanks.😜 It’s dark. Don’t go into the rabbit hole!🤣
In which month in 2025 will a business be accused of, and lambasted for, using AI art, only for the real artist to show a picture / screencap of them working on the original?
That first Kingsmen movie was a decade ago. The Taron Egerton hairline talk is pretty amusing to me since just yesterday, while flipping through channels looking for something to watch I saw him on The Kelly Clarkson Show (which I forgot she got skinny and is looking like she did back when she was on American Idol) with a buzz cut doing promotion for Carry-On and you could definitely see the hairline there. I didn’t notice it at all in Carry-On, so it was a bit of a surprise to see. Carry-On is kind of interesting. You look at it and you’re expecting it to be a Die Hard knockoff. Which to a degree it is. But it’s way more pulling from Die Hard 2 (the airport setting) and Die Hard 3 (maybe the best Die Hard movie) with its bomb plot. Not nearly as action packed as you’d expect a Die Hard movie to be either. Carry-On plays like a “grounded” Die Hard, a Die Hard where action happens but not a crazy amount of action. Die Hard on the other hand is a grounded action movie where all the action stuff you expect from an action movie to happen happens, it’s just the hero is a regular (trained) guy that gets the shit beat out of him in the process. Being a PG-13 movie instead of an R rated one, Carry-On also ends up being far less violent, although it feels like they’re getting away with some stuff for being PG-13. But Die Hard... man, you probably remember how violent Die Hard is to a degree, but go back and watch ‘90s Die Hard with a Vengeance; R rated movies with budgets that big rarely go as hard as Die Hard with a Vengeance did. Something annoying about Carry-On, Egerton‘s character never mentions the woman that gives him that earpiece to the police. He doesn’t know her level of involvement, although we do, but it never seemed to be something that ever crosses his character’s mind. It stands out as so odd he never seems to think of her, especially given how good at his job the movie is making him out to be, I almost wonder if theirs cut scene that bring that up. Logan Marshall-Green’s character seems like it was probably chopped down some in the editing room too.
I knew the luddites were going to lose the argument when they started talking about how AI was "wasting water." They pivoted from a legal argument to an environmental one.
“original” is a marketing gimmick, real artist also borrow from other artists and remix it, and it looks original to some people and to others ,it looks like hodgepodge of other older artists
I don't get why this has been such a hard thing to accept for people. This is part of the utopian vision of the future Star Trek was promoting all the way back in the 80s. This is basically the early precursor to the holodecks that to this day captivate audiences. To be able to simply give a prompt to a computer and have it generate art for your entertainment. Normal people don't care how the sausage gets made as long as it tastes good. I also find it amusing that the art community has always gushed about Star Trek's post-scarcity economics, but never seemed to realize that for-profit art will also go away in that type of system.
Zach you should work on psylocke you won't regret it if you get good with her she is a living God when you get it down. She's like combining Sombra and Genji from OverWatch but she's hot.
Although I don't know shit about art, I know what I like and I can spot AI Art (or writing) from 15 miles away. Some of it's pretty damn good. Back to something I do know - 2 years ago, AI coding was a complete travesty. The most recent update to Claude is scary good, so much so that I've started using it myself. I assume that's the same dilemma that artsy types are going to have to come to terms with sooner or later.
i wish people would unclench about genetic modification too, i want human + animal hybrids i want to be a super soldier, now about AI art i really don't like it, it unsettles me, but as you said it is getting better astonishingly so i even saw some stuff that looked really good and as someone who draws comics it has already surpassed my skills by an impossible to reach margin i can see why artists that work drawing are scared, heck even i was scared and i draw for free, i don't think it should be outlawed or anything but i think there should be a disclaimer, a simple "assisted by AI" or something and there should be an option specially on google images to block it, i use google images to look for references and the amount of AI stuff there is getting unbearable, if i am looking for a photo of a bear to reference it i don't want an AI rendition of a bear, i hope i got my point across in a understandable way.
I'm already 50 + hours in Marvel Rivals. Though I have forced myself to take break so far. Though about the AI. The industry is barely making it. AI is cheap and often better looking then paying for shit-tier artist. There are a LOT out there. I rather just use AI and have an artist touch up the shit AI keeps messing up with. Does art quality matter? YES! I have snubbed some comics because the art is terrible. Unless the storyline is effing fantastic. Then I'll tolerate it. If not then NO. It's a visual media, give me eye candy.
I can accept that AI art is a thing, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
You will though.
@SlaserX I won't, actually.
Maybe they could afford to pay an artist if the industry hadn’t been completely destroyed
Lame as hell. I won't ever be buying comics with AI art and if that is the future so be it, I will hold on to my collection of classics made by people with vision and creativity.
Joe just had to plug in his "The Pride" comic in that letter to his MP, just so the secretary for the MP can ignore it.
Ai in commercial products is pathetic. It should only be used for disposable ads, products and photos of me as a buff man for my tinder profiles like a normal person.
There's a meme where its a little girl and shes saying "wait dad you knew about bitcoin in 2009 and we're still poor?"
So far all the early adopters of emerging technologies are now some of the richest people. The later adopters are the ones struggling rn.
1. AI can't be stopped. It can only be regulated.
2. It's not being regulated.
People have to get in the the ground floor, now, before politicians can figure out what AI even is.
Once AI gets regulated, you have to hope that it isn't regulated into the ground.
But, as they say; Grab that bag while you can.
If the human resistance sent Joe Glass back in time to stop Skynet from being created, his whole effort would be a few tweets and a whiny letter to Parliament.
There was a time when restaurants hired chefs. My dad got his training as a chef with Morrison’s buffet when I was a kid. Restaurants the size of Chili’s had a chef in the kitchen. And now they’re all gone.
As a chef myself, I understand we did it to ourselves. Chefs are demanding and can be uncompromising. We can be hard to work with. And that caused the industry on the large scale, to change.
Chain restaurants boil their recipes down to the point where a high schooler can make a dish with a microwave in under 10 minutes. We were made unnecessary because of us.
Now if you’re a chef you have to own and operate your own restaurant. That’s really the only way you can make any money doing it.
And now AI is doing this to artists. Because they can be difficult to work with by their very nature. There will be very few artists working in big comics in the future.
And like chefs, they’ll have to create their own business in order to do any work that has any meaning or profit to them.
I always picture Joe glass sounding like Snagglepuss but more flamboyant
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this is the hill on which I die on, and even in death I remain clenching.
When has putting a technology away once it’s been created ever worked?
People are still struggling to cone to terms with why AI is a thing. They don't understand that a company would rather pay nothing for a decent product than to pay a standard artists rate for the same product.
There's a reason why there's a load of crappy AI artwork out there but none if it looks anywhere near as good as a Jim Lee, Greg Capullo, Brett Booth etc.
All AI artwork is capable of at the moment is taking the glut of low effort/quality art out of the bottom of the industry (and the same is true of the writing side of the industry too.)
The only reason they still have jobs is because being a creative is the one field that people think shouldn't be automated (even as they praise self checkout machines at McDonald's because their mental illness makes them terrific of having a conversation with a stranger).
Sooner or later that societal change will happen & marvel/dc/boom/valiant will commission some coder to do their books for them & 80% of the industry will disappear overnight
Honestly, I'm sick of AI. I know its here to stay, unfortunately, and if that is the case, it'll be getting no money from me. If I pay for something, I want my money to go towards the real people who made a genuine effort with the quality of content they made as opposed to a corporation's half-assed profit scheme. The fact that its used as a crutch to cut costs while consumers are still expected to pay the same price is quite frankly disgusting. Thank God I didn't pay for Black Ops 6.
Prompter, the word you seek is prompter.
Go full AI and put it on the cover of your stuff. Have fortitude and conviction and use it with clear labeling. I am sick of this debate.
I love Marvel Rivals and wanted to learn more about Moon Knight so rather than read about him on some Wiki page, I actually went to my local shop. I havent been to a comic book store in over a decade and I thought I'd just thumb through some floppys and pick a few up randomly. I was there for over an hour talking to the clerk, I made a few new friends that I'm gonna play Rivals with tonight, and I spent over $140 on some Epic Collections of West Coast Avengers and Moon Knight! I had a great time and its all thanks to Rivals. I'm telling ya, this game is the spark the industry has been waiting on. I'm stoked you're enjoying the game as well 🤙
An alternative for calling someone an AI artist could be an AI initiator, the idea being that you initiate the AI prompt. Just throwing out ideas.
AI doesn't "learn'. it copies in iterative ways. learning implies a cognitive process with choosing to take steps among alternatives. A computer doesn't choose, it executes commands.
this is the main reason AI art would not pass copyright laws.
That pic looks like Santa and Batman defusing a bomb together.
I think AI is a good tool, but it's just annoying how much is all over the internet and looks bad, image search is nearly useless lol I'm sure that the trend will die out tho in the same way those sketch filters people would put on their photos lol
So anyway my best friend gave me the hardcover of “Punisher: Circle of Blood” for Christmas. This weekend is gonna rock.
the best part about "technical experts" who hate "GenAI" is claiming that Artists were not Hired. You don't lose your "Artist card" because you work with the latest tools. Love to see the false conflation of terms. Nobody lost jobs to AI, they lost work to Artists that use AI, "Stop de-humanising Artists Joe Glass !"
Photoshop has AI tools now. (Not the best AI, but it's there.) Anybody who needs to meet a deadline will find it handy-or frustrating if it's not giving you what you ask for.
AI art is functional but has no heart. Much like AI writing
Dick Van Dyke got NOTHIN' on Yai Boy's Brit accent.
I too tweet like a Jane Austen villain
I remember by the late 90s all the artists who took a 1 year graphic design course as they became fragile like Mr Glass.
Good morning Zack!🤘🏿
Gonna be honest with you, my guy. If I see AI, I avoid. I don't click. I don't engage. Like, I understand that 'it's the future' and all that, but I haven't seen AI art yet that I enjoy. This hasn't changed, even as AI has gotten better. If AI is the future, I'm going to be spending A LOT less money on visual media as time goes on.
I am that guy that when I hear a series of hashtags, I think to myself, “Hashtag hashtag.”
So... Wonder Woman used to be a Minute (wo)Man.
My buddy has been using this AI writing tool to make short stories for his own amusement, and I could swear an actual person wrote them. This is going to be really helpful for doing some manuscripts.
I can't wait to get my computer fixed for this reason.
I've got so many ideas, and it's wayy too much for me to go through the whole process.
@NicholasBrosseau-y1o I also figure one of these days someone will make an AI program that's adept at writing essays or reports for school work.
@bradleysmit1842 there already is! Colleges are in an arms race trying to keep up detecting GPT essays
@NicholasBrosseau-y1o Damn, I should get signed up and get while the goings good.
I thought the hairline was called a “widow’s peak”?
Not completely sure why though…?!😵💫
I don’t wanna look.
I’m gonna research why. Lol. Thanks.😜
It’s dark. Don’t go into the rabbit hole!🤣
In which month in 2025 will a business be accused of, and lambasted for, using AI art, only for the real artist to show a picture / screencap of them working on the original?
Just wait until artists learn how to create their own models. It won't be long before someone just makes a model of their own art.
I'd use an AI video generator for short films I want to make, just as proof of concept to generate funding for the final project, created by humans.
That first Kingsmen movie was a decade ago. The Taron Egerton hairline talk is pretty amusing to me since just yesterday, while flipping through channels looking for something to watch I saw him on The Kelly Clarkson Show (which I forgot she got skinny and is looking like she did back when she was on American Idol) with a buzz cut doing promotion for Carry-On and you could definitely see the hairline there. I didn’t notice it at all in Carry-On, so it was a bit of a surprise to see.
Carry-On is kind of interesting. You look at it and you’re expecting it to be a Die Hard knockoff. Which to a degree it is. But it’s way more pulling from Die Hard 2 (the airport setting) and Die Hard 3 (maybe the best Die Hard movie) with its bomb plot. Not nearly as action packed as you’d expect a Die Hard movie to be either. Carry-On plays like a “grounded” Die Hard, a Die Hard where action happens but not a crazy amount of action. Die Hard on the other hand is a grounded action movie where all the action stuff you expect from an action movie to happen happens, it’s just the hero is a regular (trained) guy that gets the shit beat out of him in the process. Being a PG-13 movie instead of an R rated one, Carry-On also ends up being far less violent, although it feels like they’re getting away with some stuff for being PG-13. But Die Hard... man, you probably remember how violent Die Hard is to a degree, but go back and watch ‘90s Die Hard with a Vengeance; R rated movies with budgets that big rarely go as hard as Die Hard with a Vengeance did.
Something annoying about Carry-On, Egerton‘s character never mentions the woman that gives him that earpiece to the police. He doesn’t know her level of involvement, although we do, but it never seemed to be something that ever crosses his character’s mind. It stands out as so odd he never seems to think of her, especially given how good at his job the movie is making him out to be, I almost wonder if theirs cut scene that bring that up. Logan Marshall-Green’s character seems like it was probably chopped down some in the editing room too.
So, has it flooded the market yet?
I can see your Wonder Woman idea working well with the street-level JSA members.
They'd be her pets.
I knew the luddites were going to lose the argument when they started talking about how AI was "wasting water." They pivoted from a legal argument to an environmental one.
“original” is a marketing gimmick, real artist also borrow from other artists and remix it, and it looks original to some people and to others ,it looks like hodgepodge of other older artists
AI art is lame. AI writing is where it's at, I'll start only buying from non-AI artists who use AI for their writing.
I don't get why this has been such a hard thing to accept for people. This is part of the utopian vision of the future Star Trek was promoting all the way back in the 80s. This is basically the early precursor to the holodecks that to this day captivate audiences. To be able to simply give a prompt to a computer and have it generate art for your entertainment. Normal people don't care how the sausage gets made as long as it tastes good.
I also find it amusing that the art community has always gushed about Star Trek's post-scarcity economics, but never seemed to realize that for-profit art will also go away in that type of system.
Interesting. I never made that connection between AI art and the Holodeck, but that's exactly what it is!
Only it won't. There will always be those with a discerning eye and bank account, willing to pay full price for the real thing.
Zach you should work on psylocke you won't regret it if you get good with her she is a living God when you get it down. She's like combining Sombra and Genji from OverWatch but she's hot.
Although I don't know shit about art, I know what I like and I can spot AI Art (or writing) from 15 miles away. Some of it's pretty damn good.
Back to something I do know - 2 years ago, AI coding was a complete travesty. The most recent update to Claude is scary good, so much so that I've started using it myself. I assume that's the same dilemma that artsy types are going to have to come to terms with sooner or later.
i wish people would unclench about genetic modification too, i want human + animal hybrids i want to be a super soldier, now about AI art i really don't like it, it unsettles me, but as you said it is getting better astonishingly so i even saw some stuff that looked really good and as someone who draws comics it has already surpassed my skills by an impossible to reach margin i can see why artists that work drawing are scared, heck even i was scared and i draw for free, i don't think it should be outlawed or anything but i think there should be a disclaimer, a simple "assisted by AI" or something and there should be an option specially on google images to block it, i use google images to look for references and the amount of AI stuff there is getting unbearable, if i am looking for a photo of a bear to reference it i don't want an AI rendition of a bear, i hope i got my point across in a understandable way.
Not sure i agree with that furry shit you said at the beginning, but i agree with the rest of it lol.
AI art exists because we got lazy and fell into troupes.
AI art is the worst it's ever going to be right now so what does that mean for 5 years from now what will it look like?
I'm already 50 + hours in Marvel Rivals. Though I have forced myself to take break so far.
Though about the AI. The industry is barely making it. AI is cheap and often better looking then paying for shit-tier artist. There are a LOT out there.
I rather just use AI and have an artist touch up the shit AI keeps messing up with.
Does art quality matter?
YES! I have snubbed some comics because the art is terrible. Unless the storyline is effing fantastic. Then I'll tolerate it. If not then NO. It's a visual media, give me eye candy.
AI art is the future. Love it or hate it
The future is now and i like it!
Hey, kids! You wanna be gainfully employed when you grow up? Learn AI. 'Nuff said.
20% of google code is being written by AI. There won’t be any jobs.