@@marlon363 With an attitude like that i could see why, you gave up before even starting. Sometimes its who you know with connections in the right places. All it takes is the word to be spread and the right people to see it.
Yup I leave in New York the top all about the environment and see nothing but farmland turned commercial. I have no use for the left or right just broken promises are broken promises. Feel bad for 5 year old son native species will be only be observed in zoos and federal parks
Yeah “the government” drained this river in the middle of nowhere because they want people to suffer lmao. Who are you even talking about when you talk about “the government” there are hundreds of thousands of people in state and federal government nationwide. Did they plan this together? This is what happens when you don’t get a proper education Wesley. You start believing crazy shit.
To say i was HONORED to have been there with you reeling in monsters is an understatement.There will never be anything like that muddy river.The sounds,the fish,the night sky and stars and more than that was the memories made there.Plenty of laughs,cheers and tears of joy.Thank you Kris Flores for inviting me a couple of times to be a part of that Historical Muddy River.🎣🏕️🪵🔥Morales Texas Fishing
Sorry to hear about your problem Chris. To me as a fisherman myself for over 70 years its hard to find a good fishing spot and the establishment doesnt care about the fishermen or the hunters of this country. Why cant they leave well enough alone. Hope that you and your friends find a solution.
We literally have tens of millions of acres of federally funded national forest and several state funded lakes and WMAs that you can hunt and fish on across this country. The government has public boat ramps, it does public hunts, draw hunts, it has a tackle loaner programs, it does fishing rodeos, and it has several more opportunities to get adults and children outside. Saying the government doesn’t care about the fisherman and hunters of this country isn’t true. Because without the government I would have never shot my first deer, or my first duck. I also wouldn’t have the opportunity to go in my backyard and catch fish anytime I want to because the lake wouldn’t be there. The government has done some fucked up things, but the programs and resources it has for fisherman and hunters is fucking great. The reason they’re draining this river is because people continue to move into the desert and they need drinking water. Not because they hate fisherman. It’s not that hard to understand.
I’m at a loss for words…hopefully you can get something done about it! You have made awesome content on that river and taught lots of people in the process!! Good luck
There's got to be a law Pertaining to ecological impact an the effects it has to the surrounding land, bird migration,economical affect on the community in the area,etc there's alot of angles that can be brought to attention like farms that rely on the water
Unbelievable what state and local governments can do to destroy such a beautiful habitat. I have been watching your videos for many years and it saddens me to see what they have done to a beautiful place.People must unite and fight against tyrants that don’t care about preserving habitats like the muddy river.😢
Hey man, I've been watching you for YEARS now. It's been so long I graduated college and pushing 30. I've had something similar happen to me, my favorite creek got destroyed in efforts to help with flooding, now hardly any water flows but you can still find fish in deep pockets on the bends of the creek. I don't want to bring any negativity in this comment section but I do find it odd that a lot of water is being diverted to the Rio Grande at this moment...super glad the beavers are there to do their job and actually help you out as far as trying to keep the water. Like you said, the people behind desks shouldn't be making decisions about wildlife. Much love from Texas brother
This is so sad to see. Being from Arizona I can relate to this.. Seeing this video literally is heartbreaking because I know how that feels to lose water but this is just on another level. I’ve been watching your videos since before 2015 and it’s sad to see such a great stretch of river with great fish be devastated like this.
Nooooo!!! Sorry to hear! Hoping for a miracle! Been watching you for years. Plus aren’t the flatties kinda dormant this time of year? What a waste of natural resource!😢
So crazy. I remember when you first commented in my first videos on utahfishing. I dont have that channel unfortunately. I went to my old spot and its changed drastically too. Your a good man.
The best thing we all can do is contact the New Mexico Game & Fish or other New Mexico departments about this water re-route. Maybe they will do something about it if enough people do so. I just emailed them.
This a devastating travesty . I have watched for years and enjoyed watching you and you're guest catch some great flatheads. Really find this news horrific .SO SORRY . I was looking forward to seeing you at CAT CON this friday . Maybe everyone could sign a petition there
They also re routed 3 miles of the Rio Grande back into the original river channel inside the Bosque del Apache refuge along with the San Marcial project just to facilitate water to Texas.. and for the RG silvery minnow all the fish and wildlife in that stretch didn't matter to them. 😡🤬
Well that's just completely made up and untrue. I drive over that stretch of river every day. In no way has it been diverted. Part of the water from the low flow conveyance channel is diverted into the BdA, but the river is not.
@@Elephant_Butte_Lake Conceptual Restoration Plan Active Floodplain of the Rio Grande San Acacia to San Marcial, New Mexico. You tube won't allow links pasted to comments so here is all the information of the whole project that began in 2016. type in this exactly on Google and educate yourself before you call someone a liar. a 3 mile stretch of the rio grande has been moved back to it's original river channel inside the BDA boundries and the LFC now enters the Rio Grande at San Marcial instead of 16 miles down river at Silver Canyon , They did build 4 gated culverts that allow water to flow into the "MUDDY RIVER" but the big lagoon has been completely blocked off and drying up quickly. I fish and hunt there and watched the project take place till it was finished just 3 months ago. Kris will back me up on this 100%.
i have recently figured out that most surfaces become lacking of water because someone or everyone retrieving water from underground, this will cause surface water diving down to fill the empty area. this conclusion is heavily depending on that no significantly changes on yearly water drop and season changes, which may cause direct changes on surface water.
I've enjoyed watching your videos. It's terrible to lose a resource that produces those nice flatheads. I hope things work out so that you can save it. Prayers are with you.
They did the same thing to the Arkansas River that comes out of Colorado and into Kansas. As a kid we used to do all day floating/fishing trips and the river would be deep and full of fish. Now it's nothing but a dirt bike trail. Its depressing having those childhood memories and knowing you can't pass those experiences on to the next generation.
I haven't watched in probably a year or so (I really got into hunting last year and didn't think of fishing much like normal lol) so this was terrible news to come back to. I know how it feels to have such a special place ripped from your arms like this, not to mention by someone who has probably never even spent a moment in the area. I wish you luck in finding an endangered species my friend. I know you said it's a done deal, but if you do find a way to stop this, I will happily do what I can to help.
Kris, Try contacting Leo Shang via EPF if you haven't already, I wonder if he'd make a worthwhile trip to Southern NM to help. He's a great conservationist and knows about micro species, it could be a way of potentially stopping this.
Was this an actual river, or a diversion of water from the Rio Grande that they’re now stopping? I’ve read about some of these diversions off the Rio Grande River that are being shut down because the RGR is running dry.
Seeing this makes me sad ur the reason a lot of us started I know this isn’t the end of ur channel but I know it’s a big part of it if I can help in any way let me know maybe we can relocate some of them
How is it possible to "shut off" a river? I am thinking that this must actually be an irrigation ditch. I looked on Google Maps and found "Muddy River Road", which is near a man-made irrigation ditch called the "Garfield Drain". Is that it? If the farmers served by the irrigation ditch don't have the clout to keep the water running, it's hard to imagine that anyone else could. Sorry to see your fishing spot come to an end like that.
I feel some of your pain. They are draining Lake Conway in Arkansas, but are going to fill it back up in 5 years. Fished it for years and was loaded with fish. Great catfish, crappie lake. (Don't fish much for Large mouth bass but they were also in the lake.) They also said the fish will head down stream into the Arkansas River. It is almost empty and the deep spots are still holding fish
I really hope that someone can stop this madness this makes me sick the way the NM government is as I lived in Eastern and Western NM most of my life and have been a fan of muddy river catfishing for a long time praying for the big river in NM
I've seen the same thing happen to ponds that once held good bass panfish carp and maybe cats too now just empty fields for no reason at all I hope you can figure out something to save the river bro tight lines and good luck
Your not alone. GBRA has done the same thing here. Shut down more than 5 dams along the Guadalupe River. We've lost all our lakes and access points. Local co-op even offered to rebuild the dam and they won't let them. It's a shame. No recreation for our children in this area now.
I'm on the lake there in Canyon Lake too. Huge poputlation growth....every one flushing toilets and watering lawns....cupled with the thrird year of drought.... we are screwed
What a shame! Hopefully something good comes out of all the decisions theme people make or if they decide to leave it alone it'll be even better 🙏 Keep up the good work!🙏🙏
Texas won a lawsuit 20 years ago saying the water belongs to them. Same thing for Colorado, Kansas won a lawsuit over 30 years ago and Nebraska the same...
I'd love to try to do something to help, but it's a non-starter without a location. I'm not sure what you expect people to do to help if they don't know where it is.
I'm sorry man. That was a killer catfish spot for your area. If they continue in this manner, my advice is go to the holes and harvest what you can, instead of leaving it for the buzzards.
Leave it to government bureaucrats to fuk up a good thing! Best flathead fishing spot I’ve ever seen. Been a subscriber of Muddy River Fishing since the beginning. This is heartbreaking to see.
Reach out to the guy that interviewed you for this latest Infishermen magazine. I was just going to comment I read about you in it. Then I watch this. You’re very humble but you have a big voice Kris. What can we do to help?
Sorry Kris....really sad to see these kinds of things going down. Especially for wildlife. I guess the only positive out of all of this is you can find all the snagged hooks and weights scattered about.
Its a problem everywhere, I've been trying to push into goverment politics to have my state change to drip irrigation for a few years now. Our dams barely cover agricultural production and fishing has been on the decline for years. Best of lucks
Yes and no if you catch it and release it in same body of water. It was still part of the Rio Grande so if you put it back in the river it's really not relocating it
Here are a few indangerd if yiu can find. Longnose gar, shovelnose sturgeon, speckeled chub, beautifil shiner, texas shinner and like i said alegator snapping turtles are highly protected. Good luck
im not sure if its possible but maybe try finding an insect or something else endangered other than fish that depend on the river, its more to look for than just minnows so more chances? im no wildlife specialist so im not sure but maybe
We got your back. Ive been watching your channel for years.
Lets come together and all the subscribers petition. Power in numbers.
Lets go💪
Petitions won’t do anything
@@marlon363
With an attitude like that i could see why, you gave up before even starting.
Sometimes its who you know with connections in the right places. All it takes is the word to be spread and the right people to see it.
@@marlon363 they won't if you say that
Great video Kris basically what a lot of this country needs is few Good Blessed rains that produce running water
Yup I leave in New York the top all about the environment and see nothing but farmland turned commercial. I have no use for the left or right just broken promises are broken promises. Feel bad for 5 year old son native species will be only be observed in zoos and federal parks
The government doesn’t want you to be self sufficient. They want you dependent on them.
🤦♂️🤦♂️
Yeah “the government” drained this river in the middle of nowhere because they want people to suffer lmao. Who are you even talking about when you talk about “the government” there are hundreds of thousands of people in state and federal government nationwide. Did they plan this together? This is what happens when you don’t get a proper education Wesley. You start believing crazy shit.
True
Facts
Exactly ! It is what all communist governments do when they are conquering a people ! !
To say i was HONORED to have been there with you reeling in monsters is an understatement.There will never be anything like that muddy river.The sounds,the fish,the night sky and stars and more than that was the memories made there.Plenty of laughs,cheers and tears of joy.Thank you Kris Flores for inviting me a couple of times to be a part of that Historical Muddy River.🎣🏕️🪵🔥Morales Texas Fishing
Wow. This is very sad and devastating to see! Whatever we can do to help, we have your back Kris!
Sorry to hear about your problem Chris. To me as a fisherman myself for over 70 years its hard to find a good fishing spot and the establishment doesnt care about the fishermen or the hunters of this country. Why cant they leave well enough alone. Hope that you and your friends find a solution.
We literally have tens of millions of acres of federally funded national forest and several state funded lakes and WMAs that you can hunt and fish on across this country. The government has public boat ramps, it does public hunts, draw hunts, it has a tackle loaner programs, it does fishing rodeos, and it has several more opportunities to get adults and children outside. Saying the government doesn’t care about the fisherman and hunters of this country isn’t true. Because without the government I would have never shot my first deer, or my first duck. I also wouldn’t have the opportunity to go in my backyard and catch fish anytime I want to because the lake wouldn’t be there. The government has done some fucked up things, but the programs and resources it has for fisherman and hunters is fucking great. The reason they’re draining this river is because people continue to move into the desert and they need drinking water. Not because they hate fisherman. It’s not that hard to understand.
I cannot put into words the sadness I feel for your sacred river. All I can say is, I am deeply sorry about your loss.
I’m at a loss for words…hopefully you can get something done about it! You have made awesome content on that river and taught lots of people in the process!! Good luck
There's got to be a law Pertaining to ecological impact an the effects it has to the surrounding land, bird migration,economical affect on the community in the area,etc there's alot of angles that can be brought to attention like farms that rely on the water
Unbelievable what state and local governments can do to destroy such a beautiful habitat. I have been watching your videos for many years and it saddens me to see what they have done to a beautiful place.People must unite and fight against tyrants that don’t care about preserving habitats like the muddy river.😢
thats sad man
Hey man, I've been watching you for YEARS now. It's been so long I graduated college and pushing 30. I've had something similar happen to me, my favorite creek got destroyed in efforts to help with flooding, now hardly any water flows but you can still find fish in deep pockets on the bends of the creek. I don't want to bring any negativity in this comment section but I do find it odd that a lot of water is being diverted to the Rio Grande at this moment...super glad the beavers are there to do their job and actually help you out as far as trying to keep the water. Like you said, the people behind desks shouldn't be making decisions about wildlife. Much love from Texas brother
It's crazy what politicians do with our public.
This is so sad to see. Being from Arizona I can relate to this.. Seeing this video literally is heartbreaking because I know how that feels to lose water but this is just on another level. I’ve been watching your videos since before 2015 and it’s sad to see such a great stretch of river with great fish be devastated like this.
This is heartbreaking Kris. I’m thank you I had the opportunity to share it with you a few times. It was a magical place.
We’ve got ur back been watching ur channel for years learned a lot this is so sad
What’s that going to do to solve the problem?
Any chance of ya'll fishing the deep holes and transporting some of those trophy flatheads to another body of water?
Nooooo!!! Sorry to hear! Hoping for a miracle! Been watching you for years. Plus aren’t the flatties kinda dormant this time of year? What a waste of natural resource!😢
Man Brotha I’m sorry to see that…
So crazy. I remember when you first commented in my first videos on utahfishing. I dont have that channel unfortunately. I went to my old spot and its changed drastically too. Your a good man.
So ALL of the animals that rely on that water to survive are out of luck......
Exactly
The animals will be fine. They will go back to the Rio Grande River and will end up in Lake Caballo.
@@jasonstokley7274He types this within moments of watching a corpse in the river… Brilliant my dude.
So sad to see. I subscribed to you way back then because of this river. Always loved the videos you filmed here, hurts to say it drained away.
The best thing we all can do is contact the New Mexico Game & Fish or other New Mexico departments about this water re-route. Maybe they will do something about it if enough people do so. I just emailed them.
This a devastating travesty . I have watched for years and enjoyed watching you and you're guest catch some great flatheads. Really find this news horrific .SO SORRY . I was looking forward to seeing you at CAT CON this friday . Maybe everyone could sign a petition there
I'm so sorry to hear Kris. Many geat memories made here 😢😢😢
I’m sorry Kris , this is heartbreaking 💔
They also re routed 3 miles of the Rio Grande back into the original river channel inside the Bosque del Apache refuge along with the San Marcial project just to facilitate water to Texas.. and for the RG silvery minnow all the fish and wildlife in that stretch didn't matter to them. 😡🤬
😢😢😢
Well that's just completely made up and untrue. I drive over that stretch of river every day. In no way has it been diverted. Part of the water from the low flow conveyance channel is diverted into the BdA, but the river is not.
@@Elephant_Butte_Lake Conceptual Restoration Plan
Active Floodplain of the Rio Grande
San Acacia to San Marcial, New Mexico. You tube won't allow links pasted to comments so here is all the information of the whole project that began in 2016. type in this exactly on Google and educate yourself before you call someone a liar. a 3 mile stretch of the rio grande has been moved back to it's original river channel inside the BDA boundries and the LFC now enters the Rio Grande at San Marcial instead of 16 miles down river at Silver Canyon , They did build 4 gated culverts that allow water to flow into the "MUDDY RIVER" but the big lagoon has been completely blocked off and drying up quickly. I fish and hunt there and watched the project take place till it was finished just 3 months ago. Kris will back me up on this 100%.
i have recently figured out that most surfaces become lacking of water because someone or everyone retrieving water from underground, this will cause surface water diving down to fill the empty area. this conclusion is heavily depending on that no significantly changes on yearly water drop and season changes, which may cause direct changes on surface water.
Glad to hear from you❤
I've enjoyed watching your videos. It's terrible to lose a resource that produces those nice flatheads. I hope things work out so that you can save it. Prayers are with you.
I'm so sorry to hear that my condolences brother.
They did the same thing to the Arkansas River that comes out of Colorado and into Kansas. As a kid we used to do all day floating/fishing trips and the river would be deep and full of fish. Now it's nothing but a dirt bike trail. Its depressing having those childhood memories and knowing you can't pass those experiences on to the next generation.
I haven't watched in probably a year or so (I really got into hunting last year and didn't think of fishing much like normal lol) so this was terrible news to come back to. I know how it feels to have such a special place ripped from your arms like this, not to mention by someone who has probably never even spent a moment in the area.
I wish you luck in finding an endangered species my friend. I know you said it's a done deal, but if you do find a way to stop this, I will happily do what I can to help.
That is terrible, sorry to hear that, hopefully that place is saved!
Muh democracy. We the people get a say in what our government does. Oh wait.
Very sad! I’m very sorry to see this happen to you folks that love the Muddy River
This is really sad to see.... Sad to hear those in power can just make a devastating decision like this. I am sorry.
keep an eye out for arrowheads when the water gets low.
Chris that’s all a shame and so sorry for all our loss and yours.
hope we can get this to a million plus views good luck bro
What part of New mexico is this occurring at??
That's extremely heartbreaking.
Kris,
Try contacting Leo Shang via EPF if you haven't already, I wonder if he'd make a worthwhile trip to Southern NM to help. He's a great conservationist and knows about micro species, it could be a way of potentially stopping this.
That is horrible man ..there's got to be something to do to stop that.. petition or something....hope something happens brother
So sad... We were in Las Cruces last spring and there was no water in the Rio at all!
Was this an actual river, or a diversion of water from the Rio Grande that they’re now stopping?
I’ve read about some of these diversions off the Rio Grande River that are being shut down because the RGR is running dry.
Damn that sucks ! Love ur muddy river fishing 🎣! 🔥💪🏽
Seeing this makes me sad ur the reason a lot of us started I know this isn’t the end of ur channel but I know it’s a big part of it if I can help in any way let me know maybe we can relocate some of them
This is so disappointing how can NM do such thing. It’s always about damn money. I stand by you and will help in anyway I can.
How is it possible to "shut off" a river? I am thinking that this must actually be an irrigation ditch. I looked on Google Maps and found "Muddy River Road", which is near a man-made irrigation ditch called the "Garfield Drain". Is that it? If the farmers served by the irrigation ditch don't have the clout to keep the water running, it's hard to imagine that anyone else could. Sorry to see your fishing spot come to an end like that.
I used to live in New Mexico. What is the closest town to the Muddy River?
I feel some of your pain. They are draining Lake Conway in Arkansas, but are going to fill it back up in 5 years. Fished it for years and was loaded with fish. Great catfish, crappie lake. (Don't fish much for Large mouth bass but they were also in the lake.) They also said the fish will head down stream into the Arkansas River. It is almost empty and the deep spots are still holding fish
Wow such a sad day. Going to miss watching your content on the muddy river.
I really hope that someone can stop this madness this makes me sick the way the NM government is as I lived in Eastern and Western NM most of my life and have been a fan of muddy river catfishing for a long time praying for the big river in NM
I been subbed to you since I was a teenager, I hate to see this happen, please let us know on how we can help
No I’ve been watching you on this stretch of water for 7 years now this is very sad.😢
This hurts my heart for you Kris.
Danm dude. My favorite spot is gone!!! All the memories of being out there. My kids will never know
What part of the rio grande is this? Above T or C?
I've seen the same thing happen to ponds that once held good bass panfish carp and maybe cats too now just empty fields for no reason at all I hope you can figure out something to save the river bro tight lines and good luck
Your not alone. GBRA has done the same thing here. Shut down more than 5 dams along the Guadalupe River. We've lost all our lakes and access points. Local co-op even offered to rebuild the dam and they won't let them. It's a shame. No recreation for our children in this area now.
I'm on the lake there in Canyon Lake too. Huge poputlation growth....every one flushing toilets and watering lawns....cupled with the thrird year of drought.... we are screwed
Can we all start a petition and do something about this ?
Noooo!! This is maddening! I am so sorry.
Does that part of the muddy river or all of it go thru native American land if so, something can be done
This is terrible, I have seen this happen at a canal I fished in my home for 20 years. So many fish died. I hope something an be done
What a shame! Hopefully something good comes out of all the decisions theme people make or if they decide to leave it alone it'll be even better 🙏
Keep up the good work!🙏🙏
Hey Chris, do you know if we can legally transport fish to the butte?
We are currently trying to get permission to relocate the fish.hopefully they'll get back to us soon
Texas won a lawsuit 20 years ago saying the water belongs to them.
Same thing for Colorado, Kansas won a lawsuit over 30 years ago and Nebraska the same...
Canyon lake Texas is drying up... down to 60% full and not end in site...moving into the 3rd year of drought....we are screwed
I'd love to try to do something to help, but it's a non-starter without a location. I'm not sure what you expect people to do to help if they don't know where it is.
Exactly where is this river?
Wow this is sad to see I’ve been watching your channel since i was a kid (25now) and always dreamt of fishing your spot one day
Wow horrible friend 👍praying for your success God bless see at the catfish conference friend 👍👍
Tale as old as time. The man comes around and doesn't care about your livelihood or mother nature. Sad story
Where’s this at bro?
I'm sorry man. That was a killer catfish spot for your area. If they continue in this manner, my advice is go to the holes and harvest what you can, instead of leaving it for the buzzards.
I'm guessing it's going to be a building site in the future
This is heart breaking 💔 😢 I'm sorry 😞
I am sorry they are doing this to this fishery. To all the wildlife and to you and the people that enjoyed the Maddy river
Where at exactly?
Leave it to government bureaucrats to fuk up a good thing! Best flathead fishing spot I’ve ever seen. Been a subscriber of Muddy River Fishing since the beginning. This is heartbreaking to see.
Reach out to the guy that interviewed you for this latest Infishermen magazine. I was just going to comment I read about you in it. Then I watch this. You’re very humble but you have a big voice Kris. What can we do to help?
It kills all habitat for dierbergs and other animals. Good luck. I've been watching your videos for a long time. keep em coming. 😢
Sorry Kris....really sad to see these kinds of things going down. Especially for wildlife. I guess the only positive out of all of this is you can find all the snagged hooks and weights scattered about.
So sorry Brother. 😢 I wish the beavers were protected by law in that area so that the water could always flow through there.
I loved your videos ❤
So what happened to all the trophy cats??
Dang really you have caught some monsters in there brother !!
Man I barely found this spot in like September of 2023. I was planning on hitting it hard this year 😢 this hurts
This is an outrage! Saddening. Makes me sick the nagative impact we have on our precious planet.
It’s like everything we knew as Children have been taken away from us.
That's a shame hopefully you can get the endanger stuff to prove to them it's worth saving
I agreeee💯
Its a problem everywhere, I've been trying to push into goverment politics to have my state change to drip irrigation for a few years now. Our dams barely cover agricultural production and fishing has been on the decline for years. Best of lucks
Man that's pretty sad. Mybe as it dries up you can catch and relocate the big flatheads
It’s illegal to relocate remove or transfer any fish in The State of New Mexico
Who cares bout illegal fish laws, jus let them save the fish, !!!
Yes and no if you catch it and release it in same body of water. It was still part of the Rio Grande so if you put it back in the river it's really not relocating it
@@matruthn.m.bassinthey don't care about the wildlife so why listen to them?
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Who do we contact
Its a shame at the damage government officials can do. Its getting worse and worse every few years.
Here are a few indangerd if yiu can find. Longnose gar, shovelnose sturgeon, speckeled chub, beautifil shiner, texas shinner and like i said alegator snapping turtles are highly protected. Good luck
im not sure if its possible but maybe try finding an insect or something else endangered other than fish that depend on the river, its more to look for than just minnows so more chances? im no wildlife specialist so im not sure but maybe
The river may be gone, but its spirit will live on 💪