It is all in the subtext. It is the same magic that allow British people to be the most polite and the most rude people in the world, in the same sentence
In 1975, I was a missionary in New York. We tracted out an elderly lady and in the course of our conversation at her door, learned that she was Jewish and a widow. Seizing an opportunity, I suggested she could be reunited with her husband in the afterlife. "Hell, no," she said. "I had to live with that man for 50 years. I don't want to live with him after I'm dead."
I once had two young Mormon missionaries here in Germany. Anyway, they wanted to talk to me about God etc. and I said “Sure, but I'm more of an agnostic, but I'll give you a chance”. We talked for about 20 minutes and then I asked them how they thought the dinosaur bones and evolution worked. On the subject of evolution, one of them said that it was just a theory, none of it could really be proven. I then asked him if he thought it was the ramblings of a confused man. “Yes,” he said. Then I asked him if the Bible with its creation story etc. wasn't just a theory too, because nothing can be proven and it was all written by old men, some of whom lived centuries after Jesus. And he said “From that point of view, yes” and his colleague just made big eyes at first, then a facepalm.
@@ulliulli What always bothers me about "it's just a theory!" is that it's a _scientific_ theory, which is a lot different than what they're getting at (a hypothesis). A scientific theory is called that because it's a known mechanism that you can *test* against, not just a wild guess.
I think what might have pissed the tour guide off most was the immaculate british accent with all the sarcastic undertones you can only deliver with that... If I had delivered that line it would have sounded more like "Oh Jesus effing Christ on a motorbike with Mary on the handlebars, ye think I want to meet them eejits in the afterlife?"
🇸🇪 here (you know, vikings and stuff). Some two months ago, I was approached by two younger men in the parking lot outside one of the local shopping centers. I realized almost immediately that it was two Mormon missionaries and since I don't have much patience for street preachers, I ran my rehearsed script. I have used it several times both on Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and other similarly suspicious door knockers and it has yet to fail its purpose. "Well yes, but please try to make it as short as you can. I'm a goði (Viking-era pagan priest/lawman and more) and will be officiating at a blood sacrifice to Odin and Frigga in an hour so I have to change into my priestly tunic and robe." The two young men visibly paled and quickly retreated 💀😱😁
When you are reunited with your family, does that include your spouse, and if so, does that mean she's not reunited with her family, because she's instead reunited with my family? And if that means that the two families are united together, what about my son's wife? Is she appended to my family, with her family, to my family? Because I like her but a few of her family members are pretty horrible people. This seems a terribly complex system.
Essentially, because of the interwoven net of relationships, we would just be reunited with everyone since we can all trace our lineage back to the original homo sapiens - or "Adam & Eve." 😂🤣
Something that I read somewhere online was that one hidden reason to send your "followers" from door to door is to give them a bad experience with "outside" people. Because how do most people react to preachers, and send them away. Later the "leaders" tell a story that the outsiders hate you, and how lucky you are to have "friends". And this works great to entrap people. Did something like that happen to you too? Or is this more a JV thing?
Whenever I hear about Mormons I'm always reminded of a very educational conversational I had with two Mormon missionaries. I was raised atheist so I've always been curious about what other people believe. And one of the things I always had a hard time understanding was the Holy Trinity. I had read the Bible and there was nothing in there at all about it. In casual conversation I would ask a Christian and they could never explain it coherently. I finally got a clear, helpful explanation of it from those two nice young men who explained it as best they could while reminding me every couple of sentences that Mormons don't believe in that part. Remembering that always makes me smile.
The 'Trinity' is only mentioned in a single verse of the bible, yet, you could be forgiven for thinking it is plastered all over it - crap and more crap, expanded and confused, because they 'know' you won't read the Bible...
After 12 years in Catholic schools, I didn't get the Trinity either. It's one of many doctrines created a thousand years after the fact that makes little sense.
My parents were Mormon, but they didn’t really follow it and didn’t shove it down my throat, but I got baptized before I learned out to swim. It was in a large pool with a viewing window above where family and others could look down and watch. When I was dunked backwards into the water I just jumped up, and flailed about, and my hands sprayed water all over the viewing window. The was not only my reaction to the baptism, but to the Mormon church. Never looked back. Ha!
I like Jim Jefferies response to the heaven and hell question. It’s eternity, you’ll get used to it, then you’ll be fucking bored. And also, why would the devil punish you in hell? You’ve been bad your whole life, you’re one of his boys. Hahaha
The concept of the eternal family is the carrot that the LDS church uses to entice you in. It then becomes the stick you get subtlety beaten with for the rest of your church life. I joined the Mormon church a little over 20 years ago. I left in 2020. I went through the six ‘discussions’, as they were then, with the Missionaries. The idea of the afterlife and eternal families is what they focused on very early on. They didn’t mention tithing until the very last lesson, after I’d already committed to baptism. I didn’t get told about what I’d committed to regarding callings and temple attendance until after I’d joined. They rely on vulnerable people buying into this idea that they can see their mother, father or granny again after they die. Likewise, they sell people the idea that you will be reunited with your children again long after your death. By the time they tell you about the stranger, harder or financial commitments they expect you to make, you daren’t leave because you believe you’ll lose your eternal family. If you don’t pay an honest tithe are not temple-worthy. If you aren’t temple-worthy it means that you can’t be reunited with your family in celestial glory. If you don’t do your best to do your home or visiting teaching, If you don’t attend the temple as often as you are able, if you decide to take a a day off church one Sunday, if you have a brief lustful thought or if you don’t wear your sacred undergarments, you are not living according to the standards of the church. If you don’t repent you won’t have an eternal family. The church talks about many types of sin and misdemeanour. They even talk about sins of omission. Whenever you commit 3:48 a sin of any kind, great or small, you are not living your life according to the standards of the church. If you don’t repent, you can’t have live with your family for all eternity in the celestial kingdom. Once they get you to believe in the concept of eternal families, they have control over you. You will do your utmost to behave the way the church prescribes. You will spend half of your time repenting of small things which don’t really have any significant consequences in this life. All to make sure that you a)get to the Celestial Kingdom and b) Join the presence of God with all your family, united for all eternity. If you have doubts about the church, you become afraid to leave, just in case the church really is true and you never see your kids again after you die. It’s all about controlling our behaviour. It’s all about controlling our thoughts. It’s all about getting their hands on our tithing. I spent almost 10 years, on and off, having doubts about the church. But I kept hanging in there because I was terrified.What if they were right and I was wrong? What if the church really were true? If I left and I was wrong, my wife and my children would not be reunited with me after death. When you believe something like that, with all your heart, it’s very difficult to break away. It’s a form of emotional blackmail. You do as the church says. You think as the church tells you to think. You pay your tithing. You attend church meetings. You attend the temple. if you don’t, you will lose your family after death. Period. And this same church behaves in this way, has the nerve to tell you that it’s not a cult and it’s not evil and it’s not about gaining money and it’s not about gaining power. It’s a disgrace.
On the positive side of Mormon faith, about 30 years ago I was walking through town in the depths of a depression when I was stopped by a young American girl. I knew what was coming, she was a Mormon on her Mission, but we chatted anyway and she listened to me talking about what was going on in my life and then asked me if she could pray for me. I was a bit embarrassed (being English) but said yes, expecting her to remember me in her prayers later that night. But she said a prayer for me right there in the street and, although in no way religious, I found that an incredibly uplifting moment. So much so that not only did I want to hug her, I toyed with the idea of attending a meeting. I didn't, obviously, but I've never forgotten that or her name. Sister Rice. She'd be in her late fifties now probably.
Friend of mine once attended a culinary class. Teacher: "you don't peel potatoes! So much nutritions are next to the skin! As a rule of thumb: in every fruit, what is exposed to the light of the sun is the best!" Well: his answer was: " Potatoes are solanaceae. Aren't they toxic for us, when exposed to sunlight?" Result: she did not like his comment. 🙂
Big Think's YT Channel is a favorite of mine because of the variety of subjects and points of view. Regarding "the afterlife," I've recently considered it could've been conceived by ancient humans from stories told by people who had "near death experiences." (NDE) Some people actually do revive spontaneously from cardiac arrest. There are various kinds of NDEs with feelings of peace, joy, reuniting with dead loved ones etc. like being in heaven. Some people experience the opposite with visions and feelings more like being in hell with tornent. Ancient humans could very well incorporate these experiences into the religions they practiced and as we all should know all of our "modern" religions are made of amalgamations from older religions.
When I was growing up Mormon, I remember the big scandal, sometimes missionaries don't get along, sometimes they do. And sometimes they get along too well. Ours were caught not only sleeping in the same room, they were sleeping in the same bed! I didn't understand why this was a big deal for a couple of years later, just after in another scandal, two missionaries that didn't get a long as well, one murdered the other. The thing I love about Stephen Fry is, he wanted to become a Priest. The head of the Seminary spoke to him and said, "There is just one problem. You are atheist."
Imagine if you're a good mormon and die expecting to meet your wonderful parents and brother, but they're not there because they were actually bad. You might spend a lot of time wondering how you didn't know!
Super funny clip. The take on family comes across as very British to me as I assume Brits might be able to confirm. In Germany we are used to watching a lot of British television and we love this dark, dry, sarcastic humor. Family is very often a topic of ridicule in British tv and there is the stereotype / cliché that British parents can't wait for their children to go off to boarding school and children can't wait for admitting their parents to a nursery home. First time in London as a teen (waaay back in the 90s) I even bought a souvenir which was a key ring saying "Be nice to your kids, they'll choose your nursing home". Gotta love that humor.
When I lived in Provo I recall going up to SLC one day in order to go to Squatters. I had a yen for some bear and Squatters was a place where you could get cheap beer in northern Utah. I had a few brews, no polygamy ale alas, and then went to Temple Square to have a look around as it was a gorgeous summer eve. It was quite fun to get the tour from one of those many lovely faithful true believing lasses engaged in the tourist and conversion ritual the Church calls them to even if it was somewhat hard keeping a straight face sometimes during it. By the way, check out the song Judith by A Perfect Circle and the official video by Ghost for He Is...
What, don't want to get into the three degrees of glory? As an ex-Mormon finding out you are as well as a follower of your channel was very fun. Would love to hear about your de-conversion story (lol) though is probably out of the scope of this channel.
I'm not sure I have the exact same experience of Stephen in regards to family, but then again, I'm half Roma, so we tend to stick together (historically maybe a bit too much (hello, congenital this-and-that syndrome)) and not leave our parents behind when we get our own homes. That's beside the point, though. I know plenty of religious people, and most of them take jokes like this just fine. Maybe it's the difference between Continental Europe and the English-speaking world. Over here, we've already had our religious wars and pretty much settled on a status quo through state religions and the like, but it seems like there is something unresolved and ever-evolving about protestant Christianity in Britain's former colonies. I suppose the separation of church and state in a deeply religious country might have been a destabilising factor?
I once talked with two mormon recruiters as they were doing their missions here in Finland, because I speak atleast rather fluent english we had a long and they lef (after coffee of course) and left me that book - I send to my little bro that collects such things. 😃
Most LDS people I know, incl my niece and her family in Oregon, are honest as the day is long and a pleasure to be around. This is why I cannot understand why they believe in LDS "theology". I am a Christian (Episcopalian), and question things regularly. I think God - however God is imagined - must have a great sense of humour to have created us with free will. LDS doctrine (and most Islamist, Christian Evangelical, and Jewish) doctrine take that vital freedom away. What a gift to refuse!!
In the early half of High School, I started learning wilderness survival. (A skill I have not used since.). My friend and I went to the Oregon Sand Dunes. You can pay for camp sites there, with water, working showers, paths, roads, parking spaces, etc. but you had to reserve a spot and pay for those. OR… there’s this giant state forest right there, where you are not allowed to camp. Given the number of 4-wheel ATVs I could always hear, I assume protecting the ecology wasn’t a primary goal. We found a hard-to-see spot, behind some trees, up a long and steep hill. Figured that would be enough. At that time, there was a church’s youth group, including advisors. They were only a bit younger than us, and had taken over this valley for their game. Of course, you have to cross this valley to get from the paid campsite to the dunes. The valley itself was nowhere flat, but was defined by the fact that no trees grew in it. Over the next few days, we saw them a few more times. And one of the youth pastors started trying to convert me. I was talking to him about the books I was reading about wilderness survival. The books’ author was the white neighbor of a military family, of Cherokee descent, including a boy his own age, and they were close friends. So when his friend’s grandpa showed up to visit the friend, he taught lore to both of them. By sad coincidence, the author (Tom Brown Jr.) died last month. And while his field guides were very good about teaching the material without the accompanying Cherokee religious stuff, his other books talked about it at length. I am not religious, and never was. There was a year or so when my mother needed to suck up to her boss, so we arr attended his church. I was quickly uninvited from the youth services, because I kept finding problems with what they were saying. Regardless, it’s the late 80s, and I’m talking to a Christian youth pastor who’s going for the hard sell. I respond with poorly understood Cherokee myths. (Was going to say “With poorly understood myths of my own.” But no part of me is Cherokee, and I don’t want to imply any kind of ownership of those myths. That said, a lot of what this youth pastor was saying approximately fit with the myths Tom Brown shared. To me, I was seeking some kind of common ground. Kind of “You guys say Jehovah, those guys say Allah.. fundamentally the same guy, just with a lot of the specifics being different. And this guy whipped out “Even the Devil may quote scripture.” Nobody is more zealous than the Born Again. And here I am, 50, and still an atheist. Really, my only problem with it is that all the studies around people hopping denominations, or walking away from their faith entirely is that there is never a “started as an atheist” option. We are few, but our existence does call into question every one of those studies. And we are SO few that counting us properly would have had a negligible impact anyway. But if you’re trying to take away people’s bibles, you’d best come fully prepared. There are a lot of bad faith actors over there, and they will seize this as a reason to throw out everything else.
The logistics alone seem harrowing. I love my grandparents. I would love to see them again. But I assume they are with their grandparents. I don't know them. And their grandparents have grandparents. It stands to reason they would be with them. So the majority of the people I would spend all that time with would be strangers to me. Now what about my friends? Do I need to drag my gaggle of strangers with me to see my friends who dragged along their gaggles?
Stephen Fry is a very witty, yet intelligent man. He happens to be homosexual. When asked about visiting the Isle of Man he said something like, where it's illegal for man to love man.
When it comes up, I always tell people I'm going to live forever. I know my mother is in heaven, and my father is in hell. I can't deal with the idea of having to endure eternity with either of them, so immortality is the only solution.
I'm a doctor. On occasion if a patient asks me about a specialist that I respect, I'll say "I'd gladly send any of my family members to her. Even the ones I like."
When he told that story on QI he went on to say that the Mormons paid up his hotel bill and essentially insisted he leave town, but I wonder if that wasn't as much about his original joke as it was them having looked into who he was (he's been very public about both his atheism and his homosexuality, neither of which would exactly endear him to the LDS...)
Stephen Fry is an extremely intellectual and amazingly funny man. In most situations that's a bad combination..Check out some of his other religious debates and discussions...
Also, I have spent the last 30 years or so trying to remain separate from most of my family. If you told me that by being good, I’d get to see them all again… forever… I would invent new words, just so that I could blaspheme in new ways. I would find new and novel ways to sin, and then teach them to others. If the movie Constantine is to be believed. I’d do something so I was very briefly dead, but still a so forever denied entry to heaven. I freaking LOVE that many of my least favorite people are choosing to spend their afterlives somewhere I can’t go. That’s got win-win written all over it.
The essence of all religions. Reward for conformity and punishment for disobedience. After death, for sure but also in life (if there is enough secular power).
On a lighter note, I would suggest that you watch Dave Alan talking about religion. He’s an Irish ExCatholic and he is very very funny. Particularly the discussion with the Pope about the black cat!
Ex-Mormon here, Heidi. I say that, but the Mormon was my dad, really, us kids noped out when we could exercise our independence. Even though I relocated across the UK years ago I have had missionaries here many times so I guess I have a tracker surgically implanted and that’s how they find me! One time I was dragging sections of new shed from the front of the house to the garden and they said ‘Gee, that looks fun, can we help?’ I said ‘Don’t I need those Amish guys for shed-building?’ but they were happy to take off their jackets and pitch in! Another time they arrived as I was installing a new light switch by the front door, which involved making a hole to set the switch box in and cutting a channel for the cable. I was just about to plaster the whole lot to make it all nice again and, just like before, ‘Wow! Can I try that? So, it was off with the jackets and ‘Hand me that trowel’. It seems they still have that ‘put your shoulder to the wheel, push along’ pioneering spirit! They should come back, I have shit-loads of chores for them!
I'm glad you got out, it is not a good sect for women and children where abuse is rampant and the elders rule that you must forgive your assailant every time or be excluded (which isn't just as simple as leaving, as you know).
6:45 but isn't that a contradiction? You've been good and are reunited with your family, EVERYBODY's there. Your awful uncle wasn't good and therefore can't be united with your family. How does Schrödinger's uncle work?
Stephen Frys interaction with a queer hating pastor is also quite interesting, because the pastors entire argument was centered around how penetration is bad, and Stephens frys answer was basically "What about the gays that do not have sex then?" and the result of that was..... interesting.
What if hell means that you will play the NPC roles in the good guy's personal versions of heaven. I mean bliss is quite different depending on the individual. Even in a couple the "all bliss" version of the partner could be very different from the real one.
Even being an atheist I love learning about different religions and I had a nice chat with a mormon girl on Temple Square in SLC some 10 years. She was pretty too so I have to keep my son from converting 😁
Where does that leave people, such as myself, who were adopted? (As an atheist I'm asking out of curiosity.) Would we be with our adopted family or thrown back to people we've never known? Also, when they say 'family', how many generations are they talking about? Your immediate family? Going back a generation or two or going back to every person back in time who is related to you in even the slightest way? Not only would that be quite a crowd, but also a co-mingling of any number of other families. I don't think the Mormons have quite thought this business as thoroughly through as it should.
To bring religion back into your life : imagine a baby and ask yourself "how can a baby jumpstart humanity ?" The answer is : It can't So the first human had to be created (as well as every living being). So now you know why we have to accept the fact there was/is a creator. No matter how you name him/her, he/she is an allmighty being ...
I'm starting to be a bit worried, i remember you saying something about your voice sounding weird, because of some sore throat. That's many weeks ago. It's getting worse.
Please please please do Tim Minchen "Prejudice" Tim Minchen "Thankyou God" Tim Minchen "The Pope Song"
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What the heck is the Moro… Mormon's definition of Family? (Sorry, can't ever resist that one… I mean, didn't Joe get the Holy Gold Tablets from an angel who was moron-i or something like that ;-)) Biological or legal? I have a dad and a father (or, had, both dead now)… And what about divorces? Which family is the one you get reunited with then?
I always wonder how many generations of family members are supposed to be together in the afterlife. If the Church lasts another century, people whose ancestors joined at the beginning could have well over 4000 blood relatives.
One aspect of eternal families I don't understand is how many generation are you chillin' with? Is it just the generations you knew going back to grandparents or maybe great-grandparents. Or are you going through all the generations back to Nephi or even proto-humans?
It has to be all generations, because your parents are members of your family but they're also children in a different family, so presumably they have to be reunited with both families. And now you've brought in the grandparents, they're also children in four more families, etc. And where there are siblings, they'll have to be reunited with their children, etc, etc... If each individual is reunited with their entire families, then every human who ever lived has to be included. So good luck finding anyone you recognize among the billions of attendees in this reunion.
Never mind if you've been good, why are the bad members of your family there at all? When you are alive, you can pick your friends but not your family. The afterlife would sound a lot better if you were promised to be with your friends, chugging beers, smoking dope etc.
I had a similar encounter with a couple of Jehovah's witness's once. They told me how those who followed God's path would be spared on the day of judgement and how they would live on forever and their children and children's children would live on forever in a new earthy paradise. Me: But I don't have any children yet, would that mean I would never find love and have kids? J.W: No you would have have that in paradise if you were found worthy. Me: So let me get this straight. If I was found worthy I would live forever? J.W.: Yes. Me: And my children and my children's children and their children and son would live forever? J.W; Yes. Me: But if none of us die and we keep having children they'll soon be a serious overcrowding problem and food would run out and people would be starving and if you're related to everyone what about incest?... Doesn't sound like Paradise to me! They left at that point.😁
So... you _can't_ be with you family, even if you have been good, as it also requires those family members to have been good as well? And... How does this work with people who marry into a family? I mean, everyone is part of more than one family really, and you can't be with more than one at the same time can you? It makes no sense.
I find stories about religious behavior to be mildly interesting. I am one of the apparently tiny minority of people who was raised in an entirely secular household, thus I am completely nonreligious by nature. I find it amazing (and largely incomprehensible) how people can believe in such crazy things, which are so easily proven wrong. It does make me very wary of others, that they are so easily deceived, and so. readily cling to insane beliefs.
And when you are reunited with your family, what age are they? Is your mother at the age she died, at the age that she gave birth to you or even at the moment of birth? These are three very different people, and, if at the age at which you prefer to remember her what about her parents, siblings etc because she will be with her family as well. Overall one individual will be child to some, youth to others, parent, grandparent etc to yet more of this expanding family. Tricky......
So you will be reunited with your grandparents? What about them? Will they be reunited with their grandparents, and you with all of them? How many generations back does it work?
The place i used to live when i first came to finland was what we termed 'gods waiting room' the 'street' was a few mile long country road withhouses every quartermile ish. And what would happen is the mormorns or jehovas would come every 2 weeks during summer and walk the road chatting to everyone who would answer their door. Jehovas alwaus had the same old lady and a different dude every time. Mormons always 2 young men far to innocent for the world and indocrinated. Me being... well a purebread arsehole... would always chat to them and verypolitly try to poke holes in their belifes (raised catholic but was too smart for the nonesence by 6 years old) and one day my questions and observations are really pissing off one of the mormons. Im in the garden fixing a wheelbarro when they came up and started talking. I offered them some drink from the cooler and they are getting stuck into a can of caffenated fruit drink (not knowing about the massive caffine dose) and im asking questions aand politly winding them up while trying to fix the wheel. Its not going well for me, wheel is stuck, i need a washer and the only one i have is a gnats tagder too small. Mormon 1 says in a smug voice 'the lord teaches us that somethings arent possible, and we should accept our limitations' I grab a foot long pipe and a sledge hammer, pit the pipe over the bolt onto the washer and with a 18lbs sledge hammer, send it home with one swing. I look him dead in the eyes, unblinking homicide on my face, and stated 'those of us that dont belive in fary stories know that a big enough hammer can silence any problem.' Never had mormons visit after that, i miss seeing how much caffine they could handle. Pro tip, i got 2 jehovas to help paint my house! they are so kind and gullable.
I would love to be with my family in an after life. But it wouldn't help if I became a Mormon, since the people I like most, would not be accepted in the Mormon Church - btw neither would I. 🤣
My understanding is that Mormons believe that you can convert those already deceased - hence why they are so big on genealogy, they are finding all their ancestors and “converting” them.
@@gregweatherup9596 Hmm, that sounds good, actually. Kind of a quest. Thank you for the reply. I wonder, they must be pissed. Expecting their own Version of heathen, and ending up in the Mormon lost and found, waiting for me to pass the torch and liberate them. :)
A point to remember about us British: We are very rarely100%serious and equally rarely 100% joking!
It is all in the subtext. It is the same magic that allow British people to be the most polite and the most rude people in the world, in the same sentence
can 100% confirm lol
Very perceptive.
In 1975, I was a missionary in New York. We tracted out an elderly lady and in the course of our conversation at her door, learned that she was Jewish and a widow. Seizing an opportunity, I suggested she could be reunited with her husband in the afterlife. "Hell, no," she said. "I had to live with that man for 50 years. I don't want to live with him after I'm dead."
I once had two young Mormon missionaries here in Germany. Anyway, they wanted to talk to me about God etc. and I said “Sure, but I'm more of an agnostic, but I'll give you a chance”. We talked for about 20 minutes and then I asked them how they thought the dinosaur bones and evolution worked. On the subject of evolution, one of them said that it was just a theory, none of it could really be proven. I then asked him if he thought it was the ramblings of a confused man. “Yes,” he said. Then I asked him if the Bible with its creation story etc. wasn't just a theory too, because nothing can be proven and it was all written by old men, some of whom lived centuries after Jesus.
And he said “From that point of view, yes” and his colleague just made big eyes at first, then a facepalm.
@@ulliulli What always bothers me about "it's just a theory!" is that it's a _scientific_ theory, which is a lot different than what they're getting at (a hypothesis). A scientific theory is called that because it's a known mechanism that you can *test* against, not just a wild guess.
@@ulliulli I like the facepalm.
I think what might have pissed the tour guide off most was the immaculate british accent with all the sarcastic undertones you can only deliver with that... If I had delivered that line it would have sounded more like "Oh Jesus effing Christ on a motorbike with Mary on the handlebars, ye think I want to meet them eejits in the afterlife?"
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Exactly.
"Have you met those fucking idiots? Is the afterlife wet or dry. Dry?!? What the fuck do I have to do to escape this hell?"
You sound like my old Mam! (she was from Cork)
Very civil and thoughtful perspectives, as always. And I mean *you*, Heidi ... not just Mr Fry.
🇸🇪 here (you know, vikings and stuff). Some two months ago, I was approached by two younger men in the parking lot outside one of the local shopping centers.
I realized almost immediately that it was two Mormon missionaries and since I don't have much patience for street preachers, I ran my rehearsed script. I have used it several times both on Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and other similarly suspicious door knockers and it has yet to fail its purpose.
"Well yes, but please try to make it as short as you can. I'm a goði (Viking-era pagan priest/lawman and more) and will be officiating at a blood sacrifice to Odin and Frigga in an hour so I have to change into my priestly tunic and robe."
The two young men visibly paled and quickly retreated 💀😱😁
@@hrafnatyr9794 brilliant!
"Visibly paled". Unecessary embelishmwnt or did it just never happen?
@@SairanBurghausen Nope! They actually looked extremely spooked, swear to all ÆsiR 😁
I would guess that an answer like that doesn't even come close to something they get to learn for their mission trips.
Ohh ill steal that one, iv been plagued with JW`s coming by for a couple of years.
When you are reunited with your family, does that include your spouse, and if so, does that mean she's not reunited with her family, because she's instead reunited with my family? And if that means that the two families are united together, what about my son's wife? Is she appended to my family, with her family, to my family? Because I like her but a few of her family members are pretty horrible people. This seems a terribly complex system.
And, like, I love my son but my ex-wife is a nut case, and I don't think my now wife would like to have her around too?
Details are not the friend of the faithful. It makes the wheels fall off of their plan wagon.
Essentially, because of the interwoven net of relationships, we would just be reunited with everyone since we can all trace our lineage back to the original homo sapiens - or "Adam & Eve." 😂🤣
@@stevecagle2317 Geez every one in 200 can be traced back to genghis khan... imagine you are related to the wider family...
But then maybe you could have houses close by and spread over the space... we would just need an Earth sized afterlife and... wait a minute xD 😅
I would react just like Fry. My whole life I've tried to get away from my family as much as possible without causing too much drama...
Something that I read somewhere online was that one hidden reason to send your "followers" from door to door is to give them a bad experience with "outside" people. Because how do most people react to preachers, and send them away. Later the "leaders" tell a story that the outsiders hate you, and how lucky you are to have "friends". And this works great to entrap people.
Did something like that happen to you too? Or is this more a JV thing?
Whenever I hear about Mormons I'm always reminded of a very educational conversational I had with two Mormon missionaries. I was raised atheist so I've always been curious about what other people believe. And one of the things I always had a hard time understanding was the Holy Trinity. I had read the Bible and there was nothing in there at all about it. In casual conversation I would ask a Christian and they could never explain it coherently. I finally got a clear, helpful explanation of it from those two nice young men who explained it as best they could while reminding me every couple of sentences that Mormons don't believe in that part. Remembering that always makes me smile.
The 'Trinity' is only mentioned in a single verse of the bible, yet, you could be forgiven for thinking it is plastered all over it - crap and more crap, expanded and confused, because they 'know' you won't read the Bible...
After 12 years in Catholic schools, I didn't get the Trinity either. It's one of many doctrines created a thousand years after the fact that makes little sense.
HH! Great to see you back. I hope all is joyful in your life now. Love a good bit of Fry. Thanks for the wisdom and the laughs.
Reunited with my family. Forever. Oh please no. Just as he implied, that sounds a lot like hell to me.
My parents were Mormon, but they didn’t really follow it and didn’t shove it down my throat, but I got baptized before I learned out to swim. It was in a large pool with a viewing window above where family and others could look down and watch. When I was dunked backwards into the water I just jumped up, and flailed about, and my hands sprayed water all over the viewing window. The was not only my reaction to the baptism, but to the Mormon church. Never looked back. Ha!
I like Jim Jefferies response to the heaven and hell question. It’s eternity, you’ll get used to it, then you’ll be fucking bored. And also, why would the devil punish you in hell? You’ve been bad your whole life, you’re one of his boys. Hahaha
And my reply: I would not know that many peple in heaven (based on your religion's limited view on being good), so why would I want to go there?
@@annepoitrineau5650most people I know would be in hell
He is contractually obliged to punish you
@@PaulG.x Why would somebody whose job it is to break rules etc, implement the terms of their contract?
@@annepoitrineau5650 Maybe , god told Lucifer he'll uncreate him if he didn't follow the Ts & Cs
Love watching you laugh Heidi lol
Considering how much I dislike ALL of my relatives; the LDS afterlife would be the definition of HELL.
The concept of the eternal family is the carrot that the LDS church uses to entice you in. It then becomes the stick you get subtlety beaten with for the rest of your church life.
I joined the Mormon church a little over 20 years ago. I left in 2020. I went through the six ‘discussions’, as they were then, with the Missionaries. The idea of the afterlife and eternal families is what they focused on very early on. They didn’t mention tithing until the very last lesson, after I’d already committed to baptism. I didn’t get told about what I’d committed to regarding callings and temple attendance until after I’d joined.
They rely on vulnerable people buying into this idea that they can see their mother, father or granny again after they die. Likewise, they sell people the idea that you will be reunited with your children again long after your death. By the time they tell you about the stranger, harder or financial commitments they expect you to make, you daren’t leave because you believe you’ll lose your eternal family.
If you don’t pay an honest tithe are not temple-worthy. If you aren’t temple-worthy it means that you can’t be reunited with your family in celestial glory. If you don’t do your best to do your home or visiting teaching, If you don’t attend the temple as often as you are able, if you decide to take a a day off church one Sunday, if you have a brief lustful thought or if you don’t wear your sacred undergarments, you are not living according to the standards of the church. If you don’t repent you won’t have an eternal family.
The church talks about many types of sin and misdemeanour. They even talk about sins of omission. Whenever you commit 3:48 a sin of any kind, great or small, you are not living your life according to the standards of the church. If you don’t repent, you can’t have live with your family for all eternity in the celestial kingdom.
Once they get you to believe in the concept of eternal families, they have control over you. You will do your utmost to behave the way the church prescribes. You will spend half of your time repenting of small things which don’t really have any significant consequences in this life. All to make sure that you a)get to the Celestial Kingdom and b) Join the presence of God with all your family, united for all eternity.
If you have doubts about the church, you become afraid to leave, just in case the church really is true and you never see your kids again after you die. It’s all about controlling our behaviour. It’s all about controlling our thoughts. It’s all about getting their hands on our tithing.
I spent almost 10 years, on and off, having doubts about the church. But I kept hanging in there because I was terrified.What if they were right and I was wrong? What if the church really were true? If I left and I was wrong, my wife and my children would not be reunited with me after death. When you believe something like that, with all your heart, it’s very difficult to break away. It’s a form of emotional blackmail. You do as the church says. You think as the church tells you to think. You pay your tithing. You attend church meetings. You attend the temple. if you don’t, you will lose your family after death. Period.
And this same church behaves in this way, has the nerve to tell you that it’s not a cult and it’s not evil and it’s not about gaining money and it’s not about gaining power. It’s a disgrace.
On the positive side of Mormon faith, about 30 years ago I was walking through town in the depths of a depression when I was stopped by a young American girl. I knew what was coming, she was a Mormon on her Mission, but we chatted anyway and she listened to me talking about what was going on in my life and then asked me if she could pray for me. I was a bit embarrassed (being English) but said yes, expecting her to remember me in her prayers later that night. But she said a prayer for me right there in the street and, although in no way religious, I found that an incredibly uplifting moment. So much so that not only did I want to hug her, I toyed with the idea of attending a meeting. I didn't, obviously, but I've never forgotten that or her name. Sister Rice. She'd be in her late fifties now probably.
@@jcrosby4804 If only, she was stunning. Long curly black hair and lovely kind eyes.
Classic Stephen Fry 👌
Friend of mine once attended a culinary class. Teacher: "you don't peel potatoes! So much nutritions are next to the skin! As a rule of thumb: in every fruit, what is exposed to the light of the sun is the best!"
Well: his answer was: " Potatoes are solanaceae. Aren't they toxic for us, when exposed to sunlight?"
Result: she did not like his comment. 🙂
Big Think's YT Channel is a favorite of mine because of the variety of subjects and points of view.
Regarding "the afterlife," I've recently considered it could've been conceived by ancient humans from stories told by people who had "near death experiences." (NDE) Some people actually do revive spontaneously from cardiac arrest.
There are various kinds of NDEs with feelings of peace, joy, reuniting with dead loved ones etc. like being in heaven. Some people experience the opposite with visions and feelings more like being in hell with tornent.
Ancient humans could very well incorporate these experiences into the religions they practiced and as we all should know all of our "modern" religions are made of amalgamations from older religions.
Yep...me too. I have family members I love, but some of them? NO WAY!!
When I was growing up Mormon, I remember the big scandal, sometimes missionaries don't get along, sometimes they do. And sometimes they get along too well. Ours were caught not only sleeping in the same room, they were sleeping in the same bed! I didn't understand why this was a big deal for a couple of years later, just after in another scandal, two missionaries that didn't get a long as well, one murdered the other.
The thing I love about Stephen Fry is, he wanted to become a Priest. The head of the Seminary spoke to him and said, "There is just one problem. You are atheist."
Imagine if you're a good mormon and die expecting to meet your wonderful parents and brother, but they're not there because they were actually bad. You might spend a lot of time wondering how you didn't know!
Super funny clip. The take on family comes across as very British to me as I assume Brits might be able to confirm. In Germany we are used to watching a lot of British television and we love this dark, dry, sarcastic humor. Family is very often a topic of ridicule in British tv and there is the stereotype / cliché that British parents can't wait for their children to go off to boarding school and children can't wait for admitting their parents to a nursery home. First time in London as a teen (waaay back in the 90s) I even bought a souvenir which was a key ring saying "Be nice to your kids, they'll choose your nursing home". Gotta love that humor.
When I lived in Provo I recall going up to SLC one day in order to go to Squatters. I had a yen for some bear and Squatters was a place where you could get cheap beer in northern Utah. I had a few brews, no polygamy ale alas, and then went to Temple Square to have a look around as it was a gorgeous summer eve. It was quite fun to get the tour from one of those many lovely faithful true believing lasses engaged in the tourist and conversion ritual the Church calls them to even if it was somewhat hard keeping a straight face sometimes during it.
By the way, check out the song Judith by A Perfect Circle and the official video by Ghost for He Is...
The relatives part reminds me of part of comedian Jim Jefferies' "Heaven And Hell" routine.
What, don't want to get into the three degrees of glory? As an ex-Mormon finding out you are as well as a follower of your channel was very fun. Would love to hear about your de-conversion story (lol) though is probably out of the scope of this channel.
I think that was a hilarious response - and one that I will have to remember for future use!
I'm not sure I have the exact same experience of Stephen in regards to family, but then again, I'm half Roma, so we tend to stick together (historically maybe a bit too much (hello, congenital this-and-that syndrome)) and not leave our parents behind when we get our own homes. That's beside the point, though. I know plenty of religious people, and most of them take jokes like this just fine. Maybe it's the difference between Continental Europe and the English-speaking world. Over here, we've already had our religious wars and pretty much settled on a status quo through state religions and the like, but it seems like there is something unresolved and ever-evolving about protestant Christianity in Britain's former colonies. I suppose the separation of church and state in a deeply religious country might have been a destabilising factor?
That was hilarious!!!!!!
And.......
Righteous people do my head in!
I couldn't help but the air quotes when you said the word "god." Welcome to the team.
Ashamed of nothing, offended by everything.
My bro lives in SLC, but he’s agnostic, is his ex Mormon wife.
Love your reaction
My main thought: I've got to remember "but what if you're good?" for any future encounters with LDS missionaries, making promises like this one. :D
I once talked with two mormon recruiters as they were doing their missions here in Finland, because I speak atleast rather fluent english we had a long and they lef (after coffee of course) and left me that book - I send to my little bro that collects such things. 😃
Stephen is also British and we use comedic sarcasm in everything we do. It is a cultural difference I’ve noticed.
You can choose your friends but you can't choose your family... even in the afterlife apparently. 😆
Most LDS people I know, incl my niece and her family in Oregon, are honest as the day is long and a pleasure to be around. This is why I cannot understand why they believe in LDS "theology". I am a Christian (Episcopalian), and question things regularly. I think God - however God is imagined - must have a great sense of humour to have created us with free will. LDS doctrine (and most Islamist, Christian Evangelical, and Jewish) doctrine take that vital freedom away. What a gift to refuse!!
In the early half of High School, I started learning wilderness survival. (A skill I have not used since.). My friend and I went to the Oregon Sand Dunes. You can pay for camp sites there, with water, working showers, paths, roads, parking spaces, etc. but you had to reserve a spot and pay for those. OR… there’s this giant state forest right there, where you are not allowed to camp. Given the number of 4-wheel ATVs I could always hear, I assume protecting the ecology wasn’t a primary goal. We found a hard-to-see spot, behind some trees, up a long and steep hill. Figured that would be enough.
At that time, there was a church’s youth group, including advisors. They were only a bit younger than us, and had taken over this valley for their game. Of course, you have to cross this valley to get from the paid campsite to the dunes. The valley itself was nowhere flat, but was defined by the fact that no trees grew in it.
Over the next few days, we saw them a few more times. And one of the youth pastors started trying to convert me. I was talking to him about the books I was reading about wilderness survival. The books’ author was the white neighbor of a military family, of Cherokee descent, including a boy his own age, and they were close friends. So when his friend’s grandpa showed up to visit the friend, he taught lore to both of them. By sad coincidence, the author (Tom Brown Jr.) died last month. And while his field guides were very good about teaching the material without the accompanying Cherokee religious stuff, his other books talked about it at length.
I am not religious, and never was. There was a year or so when my mother needed to suck up to her boss, so we arr attended his church. I was quickly uninvited from the youth services, because I kept finding problems with what they were saying. Regardless, it’s the late 80s, and I’m talking to a Christian youth pastor who’s going for the hard sell. I respond with poorly understood Cherokee myths. (Was going to say “With poorly understood myths of my own.” But no part of me is Cherokee, and I don’t want to imply any kind of ownership of those myths. That said, a lot of what this youth pastor was saying approximately fit with the myths Tom Brown shared.
To me, I was seeking some kind of common ground. Kind of “You guys say Jehovah, those guys say Allah.. fundamentally the same guy, just with a lot of the specifics being different. And this guy whipped out “Even the Devil may quote scripture.” Nobody is more zealous than the Born Again. And here I am, 50, and still an atheist.
Really, my only problem with it is that all the studies around people hopping denominations, or walking away from their faith entirely is that there is never a “started as an atheist” option. We are few, but our existence does call into question every one of those studies. And we are SO few that counting us properly would have had a negligible impact anyway. But if you’re trying to take away people’s bibles, you’d best come fully prepared. There are a lot of bad faith actors over there, and they will seize this as a reason to throw out everything else.
The logistics alone seem harrowing. I love my grandparents. I would love to see them again. But I assume they are with their grandparents. I don't know them. And their grandparents have grandparents. It stands to reason they would be with them. So the majority of the people I would spend all that time with would be strangers to me. Now what about my friends? Do I need to drag my gaggle of strangers with me to see my friends who dragged along their gaggles?
Thank you, Katja from Poland.
Stephen Fry is a very witty, yet intelligent man. He happens to be homosexual. When asked about visiting the Isle of Man he said something like, where it's illegal for man to love man.
When it comes up, I always tell people I'm going to live forever. I know my mother is in heaven, and my father is in hell. I can't deal with the idea of having to endure eternity with either of them, so immortality is the only solution.
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I'm a doctor. On occasion if a patient asks me about a specialist that I respect, I'll say "I'd gladly send any of my family members to her. Even the ones I like."
When he told that story on QI he went on to say that the Mormons paid up his hotel bill and essentially insisted he leave town, but I wonder if that wasn't as much about his original joke as it was them having looked into who he was (he's been very public about both his atheism and his homosexuality, neither of which would exactly endear him to the LDS...)
Stephen Fry is an extremely intellectual and amazingly funny man. In most situations that's a bad combination..Check out some of his other religious debates and discussions...
I like your "Lazy Boy"😊
My alcoholic uncle would be one of those I would like to see.
Also, I have spent the last 30 years or so trying to remain separate from most of my family. If you told me that by being good, I’d get to see them all again… forever… I would invent new words, just so that I could blaspheme in new ways. I would find new and novel ways to sin, and then teach them to others. If the movie Constantine is to be believed. I’d do something so I was very briefly dead, but still a so forever denied entry to heaven. I freaking LOVE that many of my least favorite people are choosing to spend their afterlives somewhere I can’t go. That’s got win-win written all over it.
Check out Christopher Hitchens rewrite on the 10 commandments
Where do I sign up for Alcoholic Heaven? Reminds me of Walhalla...
This is why there is only a stairway to heaven but there is a highway to hell
The essence of all religions. Reward for conformity and punishment for disobedience. After death, for sure but also in life (if there is enough secular power).
Oh the joy of the internet, being able to talk crap about shit you know nothing about but feeling really clever about yourself!. 🙄
@@ogribiker8535 You understand, the essence of religions.
On a lighter note, I would suggest that you watch Dave Alan talking about religion. He’s an Irish ExCatholic and he is very very funny. Particularly the discussion with the Pope about the black cat!
Ex-Mormon here, Heidi. I say that, but the Mormon was my dad, really, us kids noped out when we could exercise our independence. Even though I relocated across the UK years ago I have had missionaries here many times so I guess I have a tracker surgically implanted and that’s how they find me! One time I was dragging sections of new shed from the front of the house to the garden and they said ‘Gee, that looks fun, can we help?’ I said ‘Don’t I need those Amish guys for shed-building?’ but they were happy to take off their jackets and pitch in! Another time they arrived as I was installing a new light switch by the front door, which involved making a hole to set the switch box in and cutting a channel for the cable. I was just about to plaster the whole lot to make it all nice again and, just like before, ‘Wow! Can I try that? So, it was off with the jackets and ‘Hand me that trowel’. It seems they still have that ‘put your shoulder to the wheel, push along’ pioneering spirit! They should come back, I have shit-loads of chores for them!
My parents were more related than cousins. Why should I have to have spent 75 years paying for THEIR mistake ?
I'm glad you got out, it is not a good sect for women and children where abuse is rampant and the elders rule that you must forgive your assailant every time or be excluded (which isn't just as simple as leaving, as you know).
6:45 but isn't that a contradiction? You've been good and are reunited with your family, EVERYBODY's there. Your awful uncle wasn't good and therefore can't be united with your family. How does Schrödinger's uncle work?
Stephen Frys interaction with a queer hating pastor is also quite interesting, because the pastors entire argument was centered around how penetration is bad, and Stephens frys answer was basically "What about the gays that do not have sex then?" and the result of that was..... interesting.
Hail Heidi!! ❤🎉
What if hell means that you will play the NPC roles in the good guy's personal versions of heaven. I mean bliss is quite different depending on the individual. Even in a couple the "all bliss" version of the partner could be very different from the real one.
Have you looked at any of Dave Allen's sketches on religion ?
Even being an atheist I love learning about different religions and I had a nice chat with a mormon girl on Temple Square in SLC some 10 years. She was pretty too so I have to keep my son from converting 😁
Where does that leave people, such as myself, who were adopted? (As an atheist I'm asking out of curiosity.) Would we be with our adopted family or thrown back to people we've never known? Also, when they say 'family', how many generations are they talking about? Your immediate family? Going back a generation or two or going back to every person back in time who is related to you in even the slightest way? Not only would that be quite a crowd, but also a co-mingling of any number of other families. I don't think the Mormons have quite thought this business as thoroughly through as it should.
To bring religion back into your life : imagine a baby and ask yourself "how can a baby jumpstart humanity ?"
The answer is : It can't
So the first human had to be created (as well as every living being).
So now you know why we have to accept the fact there was/is a creator.
No matter how you name him/her, he/she is an allmighty being ...
Ah, a different state of heaven. Thanks for clearing that up 🙄
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I'm starting to be a bit worried, i remember you saying something about your voice sounding weird, because of some sore throat. That's many weeks ago. It's getting worse.
If you end up asking Stephen to leave, you are probably not thinking properly.
Please please please do
Tim Minchen "Prejudice"
Tim Minchen "Thankyou God"
Tim Minchen "The Pope Song"
What the heck is the Moro… Mormon's definition of Family? (Sorry, can't ever resist that one… I mean, didn't Joe get the Holy Gold Tablets from an angel who was moron-i or something like that ;-))
Biological or legal? I have a dad and a father (or, had, both dead now)… And what about divorces? Which family is the one you get reunited with then?
I always wonder how many generations of family members are supposed to be together in the afterlife. If the Church lasts another century, people whose ancestors joined at the beginning could have well over 4000 blood relatives.
He's a thinker for sure.
There is a comedian, Julia Sweeny, who does some shows about her Catholic upbringing and is hilarious. You might try "Letting Go of God".
One aspect of eternal families I don't understand is how many generation are you chillin' with? Is it just the generations you knew going back to grandparents or maybe great-grandparents. Or are you going through all the generations back to Nephi or even proto-humans?
It has to be all generations, because your parents are members of your family but they're also children in a different family, so presumably they have to be reunited with both families. And now you've brought in the grandparents, they're also children in four more families, etc. And where there are siblings, they'll have to be reunited with their children, etc, etc... If each individual is reunited with their entire families, then every human who ever lived has to be included. So good luck finding anyone you recognize among the billions of attendees in this reunion.
So the drunk uncle goes to the part of heaven called the Bar... at least that's what I make up of the story..
Never mind if you've been good, why are the bad members of your family there at all? When you are alive, you can pick your friends but not your family. The afterlife would sound a lot better if you were promised to be with your friends, chugging beers, smoking dope etc.
If being good means I have to spend eternity with my (awful bully of a) brother?? I’ll pass on the afterlife thank you….💙
@HailHeidi
Have you checked out the God Awful Movies podcast? They have Mormon Movie Month specials.
Lol...Stephen...funny brilliant man.
"You will be assimilated..."
As a communist i do enjoy Ronald Regans Soviet Union jokes highly recommend them there on TH-cam
Check out Christopher Hitchens on the 10 commandments
Heidi could you do Brad Williams next please
listen to Dave Allen on religion ( he's a Irish comedian)
I love the man.
Cordial is nice.
What if you've been good?
I had a similar encounter with a couple of Jehovah's witness's once.
They told me how those who followed God's path would be spared on the day of judgement and how they would live on forever and their children and children's children would live on forever in a new earthy paradise.
Me: But I don't have any children yet, would that mean I would never find love and have kids?
J.W: No you would have have that in paradise if you were found worthy.
Me: So let me get this straight. If I was found worthy I would live forever?
J.W.: Yes.
Me: And my children and my children's children and their children and son would live forever?
J.W; Yes.
Me: But if none of us die and we keep having children they'll soon be a serious overcrowding problem and food would run out and people would be starving and if you're related to everyone what about incest?... Doesn't sound like Paradise to me!
They left at that point.😁
And what age is everone in heaven? It's such a ridiculous proposition.
So... you _can't_ be with you family, even if you have been good, as it also requires those family members to have been good as well? And... How does this work with people who marry into a family? I mean, everyone is part of more than one family really, and you can't be with more than one at the same time can you? It makes no sense.
I find stories about religious behavior to be mildly interesting. I am one of the apparently tiny minority of people who was raised in an entirely secular household, thus I am completely nonreligious by nature. I find it amazing (and largely incomprehensible) how people can believe in such crazy things, which are so easily proven wrong. It does make me very wary of others, that they are so easily deceived, and so. readily cling to insane beliefs.
And when you are reunited with your family, what age are they? Is your mother at the age she died, at the age that she gave birth to you or even at the moment of birth?
These are three very different people, and, if at the age at which you prefer to remember her what about her parents, siblings etc because she will be with her family as well. Overall one individual will be child to some, youth to others, parent, grandparent etc to yet more of this expanding family.
Tricky......
Hey Heidi ❤
Some people seem to take religion far too seriously!
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So you will be reunited with your grandparents? What about them? Will they be reunited with their grandparents, and you with all of them? How many generations back does it work?
The place i used to live when i first came to finland was what we termed 'gods waiting room' the 'street' was a few mile long country road withhouses every quartermile ish. And what would happen is the mormorns or jehovas would come every 2 weeks during summer and walk the road chatting to everyone who would answer their door. Jehovas alwaus had the same old lady and a different dude every time. Mormons always 2 young men far to innocent for the world and indocrinated.
Me being... well a purebread arsehole... would always chat to them and verypolitly try to poke holes in their belifes (raised catholic but was too smart for the nonesence by 6 years old) and one day my questions and observations are really pissing off one of the mormons. Im in the garden fixing a wheelbarro when they came up and started talking. I offered them some drink from the cooler and they are getting stuck into a can of caffenated fruit drink (not knowing about the massive caffine dose) and im asking questions aand politly winding them up while trying to fix the wheel. Its not going well for me, wheel is stuck, i need a washer and the only one i have is a gnats tagder too small.
Mormon 1 says in a smug voice 'the lord teaches us that somethings arent possible, and we should accept our limitations' I grab a foot long pipe and a sledge hammer, pit the pipe over the bolt onto the washer and with a 18lbs sledge hammer, send it home with one swing. I look him dead in the eyes, unblinking homicide on my face, and stated 'those of us that dont belive in fary stories know that a big enough hammer can silence any problem.' Never had mormons visit after that, i miss seeing how much caffine they could handle.
Pro tip, i got 2 jehovas to help paint my house! they are so kind and gullable.
I would love to be with my family in an after life. But it wouldn't help if I became a Mormon, since the people I like most, would not be accepted in the Mormon Church - btw neither would I. 🤣
Genuinely read that as 'Ex-Moron'. So sorry about that. What is wrong with me today.
Nothing wrong with being far-sighted. Just an extra laugh for Heidi I suspect.
@@mustaffaleak9247 I meeeaaann...
Being an ex-moron is just as valuable as being an ex-Mormon.
Hmm, without any of my family, dead or alive, being mormon, would I still be with them after I die? How would that work?
My understanding is that Mormons believe that you can convert those already deceased - hence why they are so big on genealogy, they are finding all their ancestors and “converting” them.
@@gregweatherup9596 Hmm, that sounds good, actually. Kind of a quest. Thank you for the reply.
I wonder, they must be pissed. Expecting their own Version of heathen, and ending up in the Mormon lost and found, waiting for me to pass the torch and liberate them. :)
What if your spouse died and you remarried? That would be kind of awkward in the afterlife.