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- Thank you so much for watching!! This was incredibly well-stated and I want to see more like this.
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Stephen Fry is one of the most eloquent and intelligent people in the world, he is beautiful, funny kind and an absolute treasure, he’s on my “ fantasy dinner guest” list
If he's on your list you'll be waiting a helluva long time for dinner since he's on just about everyone else's
@@user-jq7dn9kg8d I know, but it’s nice to dream
Me too. I might not agree with everything he believes in, but he is a cool bloke and I would love to have a chat with him.
Fry and Attenborough at the table. would you get a word in? But then again, would you want to. 😀
You, sir, have been more incorrect on previous occasions.
This man has done so much for us that have suffered from mental health issues,sharing his own.I bow to him.
Boys, girls and women suffer from mental health issues.
Men do not.
We just get the job done, don't got time to sit down and cry.
Here here
Maybe if he hadn't done all that coke he wouldn't have them
no he have not!
Bow down in front of a gay man best hope you’re not attractive 😂 f*ck political correctness. we all bleed the same way. The same with colour. (English spelling)
Universities used to be the place where "free thinkers" could study, discuss and think outside the box.
Oxford and Cambridge universities didn't become the seat of great thinkers and inventors by telling people what to think and what to discuss, they became that way by NOT limiting what to think or discuss.
Critical thinking is how society is allowed to move forward.
Restricted thinking is how society moves backwards.
I'm a 62 year old straight guy and Stephen fry is the person I most want to hug.
What a beautiful human being.
✌🏻❤🇬🇧
Well said!
A tiny fraction of their history that was true. Historically, until say the late 50s, universities taught orthodoxy. There was a brief window when everyone just got stoned. The west was rich and yes decadent. I recall that Newton famously left university and researched alone. In fact I ask you, when do you feel that universities embraced independent thinking? The middle ages? The 1900s?
*Should* that be their ideal. Yes. But today they are just plain scams.
Oxford and Cambridge??? The places if you didn't tie your tire correctly you would be expelled? The places you needed to be of a certain class to attend in the first place?
@@jeremykothe2847 that's right, the universities where most of the modern world was invented. That's how it used to be, now almost anyone can get in and now they're full of blue hair babes studying subjects that end in debt and unemployment.
“I believe one of the greatest human failings is to prefer to be right than to be effective.” Brilliantly put 👏
I had a similar thought recently about road rage. Someone cuts you off and you risk everyone's lives to make a point? I'd rather forgive the mistake and stay alive.
@@russb24, you are 100% correct. Many people have lost their life or health over trying to win an argument. Many people, the vast majority of whom men, have also lost romantic relationships because they too many times would not allow their significant other the satisfaction of being right. People, especially men in non-cult-oriented countries, would do well in not being too argumentative with their partner. The truth matters but it does not matter most, most of the time.
@@russb24 Just be glad you're not as dumb as they are and continue on, works for me.
Stephen Fry is highly intelligent, well read, knowledgeable open-minded, humble and non judgmental. For me, his greatest gift is his ability to come up with and use the perfect word here and there and everywhere to say exactly what he means to say without ambiguity. I could listen to him for hours. I respect and admire him immensely. You should react to the debate he did with Christopher Hitchens about whether the Catholic Church is a force for good.
I second that motion!
Stephen was educated in the Classics. He has a wide vocabulary and a strong command of the language. There was a time when his eloquence wouldn’t have been considered quite so remarkable. The drop in standards of grammar and vocabulary are largely to blame, but no one is allowed to say that anymore. Apparently it’s all good as long as the person you are talking to understands what you’re saying.
And yet, at the end of it all, we all know that people like Stephen are able to communicate more accurately and effectively, and it’s not simple pedantry or self-aggrandisement.
You should definitely watch the Catholic Church debate!
Some say that if you were going to take part in a debate with Christopher Hitchens, and Christopher Hitchens was on the opposing site, you've already lost the debate.
He once said ' You know people have this impression that if you swear you have a low vocabulary. This is Arse-Gravey of the highest calibre'.
As a Brit he’s been on our screens and airwaves for pretty much all my adult life. An incredibly intelligent, confident, articulate, witty and eloquent social commentary, media performer. The perfect person to host this kind of event.
Not at all, he's a woke pederast who writes books about male teachers having sex with underage schoolboys and Fry himself married a very young boy. You are celebrating a degenerate scumbag.
@@robnewton3368 Yes. Only he wasn’t “hosting” it was he? He was participating on the side, sharing a stage with right wing Jordan Peterson. He was legitimizing the right wing culture wars, even though he clearly wants a culture war ceasefire. So, lecture your followers from your own position, don’t join and legitimize rwnj’s. I respect Stephen Fry but I’m still left with an overwhelming feeling of disappointment. And the right wing will seize upon this attempt at goodness with alacrity and joy at this unexpected gift from Fry. So sad.
Thing with Stephen is he is nice and funny and smart... But when it's about the points he wants to hammer down he is a pure menace... I love the man.
Stephen is such an eloquent, respectful, humble and just speaker that he gets his bitter ‘enemies’ or opponents to laugh WITH him as he obliterates the point they have just made. Now THAT is an impressive talent. To absolutely crush your opponent and still be so humble and respectful of them that they still like you. ❤
I absolutely love, respect and adore Stephen Fry!
Winston Churchill once stated "Diplomacy is the ability to tell someone to 'go to hell' in such a way that they look forward to the trip." !! 😂
He was talking about Harvey Weinstein which led to the Me Too movement
This is correct, but also a missing a one fact that is obvious in context, when you have seen the video. Harvey Weinstein led to the Me Too movement by being the evil slime that got exposed. Just so we're clear that he didn't start the movement himself. It was women coming forward and daring to speak against a culture of silence (which could also be called a "political correctness".
And for a bit of historical background, Harvey Weinstein was one of the biggest Hollywood producers and he was a creep that abused this position to abuse women in the film industry. For a very long time.
He also wrote a book about a male teacher having sex with underage schoolboys. Fry himself married a very young boy. You are celebrating a degenerate scumbag.
I have a cool story about Stephen… when I was 20 my mate worked in a call centre and they would be fed phone numbers to cold call. He came to the pub one evening shitting his pants and told us he had Stephen’s number. Obviously we called bullshit but after a few pints he got the balls to call it. Stephen picked up and we chatted to him for 10 minutes, he was lovely and took it all in his stride. We must have rang him 2 or 3 more times and he knew us by name. Eventually we felt bad and decided to delete the number and leave him alone. Such a gent.
You must have been even drunker to delete it!
Englishmen...
If I was EVER stuck in a lift, I hope it's with him
for me it's a tie between Fry, Adam Savage or James May :P
@@mattybob12310 Add Brian Blessed.
I was stuck on a lift onc. It would have been really helpful if Stephen Fry had been there.
I'd prefer a lift technician, but to each their own.
@@Jasonjmcdonald Damnit, you beat me to it.
The YT algorithm dropped this into my feed and it’s the best I’ve seen for a long time. Thank you HH for respecting the content and not over reacting.
Stephen Fry might be the best example of a raconteur...very knowledgeable, very entertaining, very consice yet descriptive, realistic debater and a formidable writer.
And far easier to understand and follow than Dr Peterson, whom I also respect.
and he is a bigot he dont want to fight because he is fine
@@Glaaki13 Not wanting to fight does not make Stephen Fry a bigot.
@@Glaaki13 Congratulations. I cannot think of a more concise way for someone to so clearly demonstrate the failings Stephen was discussing in his conversation. "You disagree with my opinions and/or my methods? Your reasons for disagreeing are irrelevant, you're a bigot."
@@Randerson2409 who cares about you bigots
Stephen Fry is a national treasure, and his wisdom just floors me. Hooray for the man!
He's not, he's a f****g pedo.
In a conversation reciprocal respect is essential
Spoken like a true centrist.
“In all debates, let truth be thy aim, not victory, or an unjust interest.”
--William Penn.
How can we have reciprocal respect if someone's starting premise is that you shouldn't have basic human rights? By definition to reciprocate, respect has to first be shown.
The problem with an open mind is people trying to put stuff into it - Terry Pratchett
i love his books and am devestated he had to stop.
@@gregorturner4753 YES IT IS
Which is why we should strive for both an open AND critical mind (critical in the sense of questioning each new idea)
"Always have an open mind, but never so open that your brain falls out"
@@gregorturner4753 He wrote right up to the end. Many fans can't bring themselves to read The Shepherd's Crown, even owning it, because then it'll truly be over.
Stephen Fry has an amazing life story from skipping school...borrowing a family friends coat to sleep rough which had a credit card in the pocket. Getting arrested for theft of said credit card and spending 3 months in a young offenders institute to getting good grades on his school exams on release and passing the entrance exam for Cambridge to study on a scholarship. Getting an honours degree and meeting his fellow comedy actors during this time like Rowan Atkinson (Mr Bean to many) and Hugh Laurie (of House fame). Both of which he starred alongside in successful tv programs.
He's also talked openly about growing up gay in the 60s and 70s when unfortunately you could still be jailed in the UK if caught liaising with a person of the same sex.
In the words of Scroobius Pip and Dan Le Sac, “Thou shalt not disrespect Stephen Fry”. He is an amazing man, I wish politicians were half as eloquent as him.
His argument against "The Roman Catholic Church being a force for good" is also outstanding"
this
A bit hypocritical really considering Fry wrote a 'romance' novel about a male school teacher having sex with underage schoolboys and Fry himself also maried a barely legal young boy. He's a pederast but apparently it's okay because he's Jewish and not Catholic. Ffs, wakey wakey.
Was that the one with Christopher Hitchens as a partner? I would never want that duo as debate opponents. I would quit immediately.
@@CliffSedge-nu5fvyep. And Ann widercomb
@@daftphil9706 Ann Widdecombe was hilariously so offended by what he said in that debate. It made my year. I watch that debate at least once a year. It's inspiring and reinforcing, as an atheist, that the "force for good" argument was so shallow and so eloquently destroyed.
Stephen debating with church leaders on " Is The Catholic Church a force for good?" is a joy to behold. They took a poll from the audience before and after the debate, and the opinion after the debate had changed hugely. Which was no doubt because of Stephen's eloquence and intelligence. I recommend anyone watch it. It's on YT. And I can't be the only completely straight man who happily admits to loving Stephen Fry.
Absolutely worth it to watch this full debate. Also, if so inclined, there is an episode of "The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson" where no audience tickets were sold and no other guests were booked. So it's just Craig and Stephen Fry sitting on chairs in the middle of the stage talking about their lives in the UK. Absolutely one of my fav moments in TV history.
I haven't seen that episode but I'll have to check it out.
I love Stephen Fry and have agreed with him all my life. As a progressive, it saddens me that he is so damn right about all of this.
Harvey Weinstein is the person being talked about
mmmmm Me too
Im in awe of Stephen Fry, he is a national treasure, listening to this man makes me so proud to be british. A definite role model.
He's a treasure to our species. But as an American, thanks guys👍
@@vadstradamus Amen. I’m a Brit, but that’s irrelevant. Stephen is for all of us. You as much as I. Maybe you more than I, who knows? Fact is, he’s a kind human. Something we can all better strive towards ✌️
Stephen is always interesting to watch,he will say things most people don't have the nerve/confidence to say publicly,you may not agree with everything he says but it's refreshing and dddenlightening to see/hear.One thing I've learnt in my 76 years is that I'm certain of very little and know little,when I was 20 years Old I was certain of most things and knew everything , now I realise only dictators and despots are people who sure they are right about everything .Glad you enjoyed Stephen, he's a national treasure in the UK .If you would like to see a lighter, humourous side of him watch him in the television show Q .I.(quite interesting) it's humourous and intelligent ❤.
The good thing about finding out you were wrong about something is that now you dont have to be wrong anymore.
People shouldn't be scared of being proven wrong and changing their point of view.
Stephen Fry and Huge Laurie were a double act out of university. They both attended Queen College Cambridge University. That's why they're capable of reasoned and articulate debate.
Huge Laurie also represented Footlights College, Oxbridge on the TV show University Challenge back in the day too! (On the Young Ones, of course)
@@makcity7850 Huge made it big as Dr. Bungalow.
If l‘m permitted to attempt humour without being perceived as a troll… Huge Lorry is my worst fear on the motorway 😂 Unfortunately it appears that spelling correction has not been kind and corrected Hugh to Huge. Well it made me laugh 🤷🏻♂️😊
*Hugh
Hmm, not sure about that.
Many fools, especially politicians have come out of Oxbridge.
Stephen Fry is a British national treasure.
When he supports Palestine against the genocidal racist colonial Israeli Zionists, then he can claim to be a national treasure.
If you're looking for intellectual entertainment, watch the intelligence squareed debate with Fry and Hitchen teaming up against the catholic churc.
You said entertainment and recommended devastation
@@tanepukenga1421 shhhh, no spoilers :)
Teaming up against the RC church is what Satan does too
@@CaptainDarrick A pretend thing doesn't do anything but what you pretend.
B@@lazyshooter23It will be very real soon enough
The two people on the other side of the panel, the supposed people with empathy and compassion, spent the entirety of this debate name-calling and antagonizing.
Years ago I met a racist and listened to him, then I put my point and realized it was how he had been taught to think, anyway we talked regularly for about 2yrs and became friends and then to everyones surprise he fell madly in love with a very beautiful black girl, but the reason I'm posting this is because a man had driven his van into a line of people waiting for Friday prayers outside a mosque in Bristol killing an elderly man and the then Welsh secretary' response was that we should not allow this van driver and his posted remarks to appear online. If we don't engage with people how the hell do we change their minds. Political silencing never works.
I think this is a bit different. Individually, we might be able to reach people and engage in discussion. But attackers like this, their whole goal is being discussed. They don't necessarily want to convince you, they want you to hear their points and be enraged and try to engage them in discussion. The discussion itself is the whole point. "We don't talk to fascists" is an informed decision. They cannot be talked with, as a movement
Stephen Fry is a national treasure. A brilliant, eloquent man, who manages to remain humble and entertaining when he speaks!
After the death of Christopher Hitchens I don't see anyone who would be able to step in the ring with Stephen Fry for a battle of wits. They all would appear unarmed.
Countries like Denmark have a variety political parties you can vote for in between the extreme left or extreme right. You can argue that nothing gets done then but actually the end result seem to be that in most cases no political party has enough votes alone to make legislations. So they have to include other parties and come to a compromise. I think both the US and the UK could learn from this
Agree. Our democracy seems much healthier that the US and UK
Also it has much more respect for the votes people give. I'm from germany and while I won't go into our whole voting system we mainly vote for a party and the party then becomes a % of seats in the parliament. So in principle almost every vote counts in the end. (there is a 5% threshhold that parties have to overcome to enter parliament) In systems like the US where it is winner takes all only almost half of the votes don't count in the end, because they are not for the winner and those people subsequently don't really have any representaion.
@@jwester7009 you are right, I wish the UK adopted this, it is far more representational and les people would feel ignored.
The UK has such a variety of parties. The issue is that the FPTP system enables the main parties to retain sufficient power to ignore those smaller parties. PR would probably help bring our system more in line with Denmark's as per your description.
Been a fan of Stephen Fry's tv comedy work since the 80s. A bit of Fry and Laurie was really amazing.. He did that together with Hugh Laurie (aka Dr. House)
Stephen Fry's eloquent way of conversing is that he makes his argumentation intop a poetic discourse
Just subscribed, I adore anything Stephen Fry and love his books too. His autobiographies, his books on myths educate so many and his soothing audible, Harry Potter books are soothing. A fine actor, comedian and tv presenter and humble, gentleman, imo, deserves much recognition. Imo. 🇬🇧👵❤
He's a pedo
Stephen is adorable and adored by the furtherest Left and furtherest Right and everyone in between.
I would say that he is our national treasure but he is a shining light for all of us.
He's a fucking pedo who wrote a 'romance' novel about a male teacher having sex with his underage students (young schoolboys). Fry also married a barely legal young boy. National treasure???? Hello????????
It was once said that Quentin Crisp was the last living wit (obviously when he was still alive).
I propose that it is in fact Stephen Fry.
And I can only hope someone else will take over as intellectual heroes are far and few between these days.
This man talks so much about Greek Gods etc., he is one. One of our best orators
What a man, mind, what an example to all I’m a Brit, and so proud to think of Steven as a national treasure ❤
keep your centrist
Fry is Jewish first and foremost, which is not really representative of classical British ideology.
National treasures are not middle age men marrying barely legal young boys I'm afraid.
@@LordHighness
He's an atheist from Jewish descent...
Fry, of course, is indeed a man of broad interests and a depth of knowledge. He attended Cambridge University with Hugh Laurie and Emma Thompson, surely a dynamic trio of life-long friends. In addition to his Cambridge MA, he holds honorary doctorates from five other universities and has authored about 20 books and scripted the comedy series A Bit of Fry and Laurie. My grandkids love his audio book recordings of all the Harry Potter books too.
You do know he putts from the rough, right?
@@scipioafricanus5871 I'm not aware of what that phrase means. Is he a poor golfer? If so, why is that an issue?
@@t.a.k.palfrey3882 Fry is a pedo who wrote a 'romance' novel about a male teacher having sex with underage schoolboys. Fry also married a barely legal young boy. Keep worshipping and glorifying degenerate pederasts though, by all means, celebrity worshipper.
Well done Heidi, you chose really well .
Steven is a treasure, to bad treasures eventually disappear
Or rather, treasures are (Mostly) spent by the debt of society until they become valued less and less, have been spent entirely, or the nation in which they were taken from claims them back as their own, comforting them in a warm embrace of retirement.. O_o
(I'll be honest, Not sure where my analogy fell off as I was typing it. But I continued regardless.)
The treasure that is Stephen Fry will never disappear, any more than Hitchens or Russel or Twain will...
Call me what you want, how you treat me is what matters.
How true !
No need to feel sorry for others, live your own life and fight your own personal battles that imacts your and your daily existence "personally".
I await the wrath of the do-goodin Woke brigade.You feeling better does not necessarily make the "down trodden" feel any better.
He's a pedo.
This is another topic where the loss of Christopher Hitchens is felt. Having him weigh in on topics like these with his wealth of knowledge and wit, are beautiful to behold.
I'm happy you watched this video. I'm European and I don't subscribe to either political views wholy. I just know that I'm always for freedom of speech. I never liked the religious censorship nor do I like this new political censorship
It’s in a way tangentially playing on the Popperian Paradox: to protect tolerance one must be intolerant towards intolerance…
If you don't know Stephen too well, you won't know that for over 40 years his best friend has been Dr House, Hugh Laurie. Another very close friend is Oscar winner Emma Thompson. They were all at Cambridge together. Here's a short clip of Stephen and Hugh ending their 1980s BBC comedy show 'A Bit of Fry and Laurie' as they did each week - with Stephen making them both a cocktail.
This one didn't quite go to plan. th-cam.com/video/N8IV-w1AvxM/w-d-xo.html
That's why they were so fantastic in Blackadder 4 together 👍
I do like Fry but he became an insufferable remoaner. Also Emma Thompson likes to fly around the world lecturing us plebs on climate change. Not so much Nanny Mcphee but more Granny Greta.
I can also greatly recommend Stephen Fry's audiobook, which is just 10 hours of the same kind of amazing eloquence!
No thanks, I don't listen to pedos.
Have you seen any of "A Little Bit of Fry and Laurie?" A sketch comedy show with Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie... Well worth a look.
Great comedy partnership,I loved the sketch where they're a 2 man 'business' discussing corporate takeovers,international expansion etc,I'm almost certain it was based on an 80's soap called 'Howard's way',delusions of grandeur.
I haven't seen "A Little Bit of Fry and Laurie"! Must hunt that down. I guess it's a spin-off of "A Bit of Fry and Laurie"?
Lol. No idea where the little came from, other than the twisted and dark recesses of my mind.
Jeeves and Wooster ! Perfectly cast and brilliantly acted.
Thank you for this reaction. Stephen Fry is one of my favourite human beings.
You do know he putts from the rough, right?
@@scipioafricanus5871 So?
If you going to watch this, be prepared to get your blood boiling, if you like this speech from Fry. The opposing side just drum up Political correct wordsalads.
The term is so often misused.
@@neonwired4978and yet isn't in this particular instance.
@@neonwired4978 It applies perfectly to the opposing team's tactics.
@@Retrostar619 The word 'pederast' perfectly sums up Stephen Fry, too.
I don't really care about celebrities, and I never get "star-struck". That being said, Steven Fry is the only person I can think of - that I haven't yet met - who's hand I would love to shake and thank for being who he is. A good person, through and through.
I had the chance to do this with Terry Pratchett, for the same reason.
Fry wrote a book about a male teacher having sex with underage schoolboys. Fry himself married a very young boy. You say he is a good person through and through, I say he's an elitist, woke, degenerate pederast.
Political correctness is a statment of absolute. This is right, therfore and contrary opinion is absolutely wrong... (tyranny) like he said. We can't afford to be to certain, we need doubt
❤ from Northeast England ❤️
that's not exactly what it means
@neonwired4978
Political correctness is a statement of what is or is not allowed. A forced and absolute dictate. Things that are just frowned upon are politeness.
At least, that's the only way it comes across to me.
If you have a better way to put it, I'd truly like to know
❤️ from Northeast England ❤️
It is vitally important for the health of a democracy to be allowed to have an opinion on any subject. Unfortunately, too many people these days don't know how to accept an alternative point of view when confronted by all the facts; they would prefer to push a flawed argument than entertain the possibilty they may be in fact be wrong.
Stephen Fry is such a gem.
You spelled pedo wrong.
@@LordHighnessYou spelled paedo wrong.
Stephen Fry is my absolute FAVORITE!!!! narrator/orator/speaker - glad you liked this 'debate' (I air quote that because of what DYSON turned it into near the end)
Red pill? You're celebrating a pederast who wrote a 'romance' novel about a teacher sleeping with underage schoolboys. Fry himself married a young boy. You're a blue pill person, not someone willing to wake up to reality. Keep worshipping celebs, how mindless.
The great irony of this compilation is that its very existence confirms what Stephen says in the beginning; We only listen to the people we like.
To take Stephen Fry's advice against locking ourselves into echo chambers and turn it into an echo chamber is kind of deviously genius. I know this wasn't the intention of the uploader, but it's basically what you do when you only record the argumentative highlights of one part of a four-way debate.
For that reason alone, you should watch the entire debate. Unfortunately, it turns, as most public debates do, into a bit of an unfocused mess, and Stephen himself is guilty of not letting people finish and making jokes on their behalf, despite what he promised in his self-introduction (to listen). But hey, maybe you'll learn something else from watching the debate. It's been too long since I watched it to tell what I learned.
Good comment. Fry is a hypocrite. Fry rails against the crimes of the Catholic church while he himself enjoys having sex with young boys.
Thank you Heidi, for posting this video. I love Stephen (and Jordan btw) And i like your personal reaction. Cheers
You can but envy people who can put their thoughts out in such a beatiful way. I do too, in my head, but what vomes out is garbage😊
If you learn to spell properly, it may in turn help you to read properly, which may in turn enable you to articulate yourself in a better way.
Stephen Fry is one of the UK most well respected entertainers. He is very well educated, speaks beautifully and he does speak so honestly and openly.you just have to listen and admire. I respect him greatly . Stephen also has a debate with the Catholic Church, that's an interesting watch.
Sorry I don't admire or respect pedos.
Stephen Fry used to host a British TV show called QI (Quite Interesting, a comical look on generally what a lot of people would call boring topics & discussions)
One of the rounds the English Civil war was discussed and how many people in the UK don’t know an awful lot about it.
One of the guests on the show can’t remember his name said this was a good thing as one figure during the war was evil and horrible.
Stephen responded “but you would know to feel that way if you didn’t know about it” that response for me anyways made me respect him a lot more, because he understands the value of knowledge and how no matter how pure or evil history is somethings have to be remembered and taught
I just saw a few reaction vids of you from a while back, and it was basically you giggling a lot and saying 'wow' a few times.
Now, I see someone clearly articulating their views, not afraid to tackle more serious and complex topics while showcasing an intelligent take on it.
That's awesome. Keep going.
He talked about movie producer Harvey Weinstein that demanded young actresses to sleep with him or not get a fair chance on a career or be in movies.
Yes. As Stephen Fry recounts it here, Harvey used to be the head of Miramax studios, which launched the directing careers of Quentin Tarantino and Kevin Smith, amongst others. Weinstein was seen as the most powerful man in Hollywood because of his track record of producing low budget films that did really well at the box office and / or scooped up at awards ceremonies. (Shakespeare In Love being the prime example; he invented the bombardment of the press association in order to get his films Oscar nominated. Good Will Hunting being another ecample.) He leveraged that power to force himself on wannabe actresses, using quid pro quo tactics where sexual favours were returned with movie parts. In the case of some, he would force himself on the unwilling, behaviour which came back to haunt him as he's been jailed for sexual assault. The #Metoo movement started so actors could tell of their exploitation at his, and other predators', hands.
You do know Fry putts from the rough, right?
@@scipioafricanus5871jesus Scipio, give it a rest. No one here cares which side he "putts from". Why do you?
@@scipioafricanus5871 you said this on another thread. Get over it
God there are not many people in this world I am jealous of but Stephen Fry is one , what an eloquent and intelligent man I just wish I could converse on the same level as he does!
Stephen Fry is the very best that humanity has to offer. Do yourself a favor and do not stop looking into everything you can find from our Mr. Fry.
Fry wrote a 'romance' novel about a male school teacher having sex with underage schoolboys and Fry himself also maried a barely legal young boy. He's a pederast and is far, far, far from the best humanity has to offer. He's also a woke scumbag. Get a clue, pal, ffs!!!!!
I’ve loved Stephen Fry since I was a child. I’ve read all of his books, they’re very personal, open and not always what you’d expect. You fall in love with him more when you realise his failings and his struggles with being diagnosed as Bipolar. He’s always forthright in admitting that he could be wrong in his opinions but is always willing to learn. He loves learning above everything else in life. He’s a definite role model of mine and as a Brit he’s a National Treasure and a man is almost unanimously adored. He’s also one of the most well educated, respected and learned people I’ve listened too and read about in his own words.
Shame he's a pedo
We could use that man in The Netherlands, he would speake up a better way !
He gave a lecture in Amsterdam iirc that's on TH-cam.
Die hebben we al, Hans Teeuwen, Theo Maassen.
Love that you enjoyed this, Stephen Fry is an amazing and complicated person, so happy he is still alive given his past. You need to look up Christopher Hitchens if you haven't already... RIP
Great content, thanks
..he got empathy in his heart...real human power.
We love Mr. Fry. We're very proud to have him 🇬🇧💛
Political correctness has often been weaponised (for various reasons) to hide incorrectness rather than to allow the actual discussion of it, and how it may be solved. Which, as Mr Fry suggests, is what is really what is needed.
I have never heard of the MUNK debates. thankyou , your interest sparked me to listen to what you liked about Steven Fry, Thankyou I have been educated.
You do know Fry putts from the rough, right?
A great serie with Steven is: Jeeves and Wooster, its about the adventures of a wealthy man and his man servant. Quit funny and humorous😊
Series is great adaptation of the Jeeves books.
"the Jeeves books" authored by P. G. Wodehouse, an early 20th century scribbler.
The entire debate is WELL worth a listen - if nothing else to see what he is arguing against. Great reaction to a wonderful person who seems to have his critical faculties on full working order. They should maybe try teaching things like rational thinking one day - it's a distinct improvement on tiktok and gender fluidity lessons :P
You should google either "a bit of fry and Laurie", or "Black Adder". Stephen Fry had a comedy partner that usually freaks American's out as a lot of them didn't realise he was English (my American wife included)
All that is Steven Fry, is self inflicted and at the same time aware of those who recognise a difference, he is with no doubt, a wordsmith, a lover of vocabulary, its expression and power.
I am slightly older by a few years, but know that like David Attenborough, his quest is genuine and not a deception, as so many disappoint, these are false Prophets that seek to deceive instead of encourage.
I love this man. I followed him since 1989 I guess, when he had a comedy show together with Hugh Laurie. If his name doesn’t ring a bell, you probably know him as the lead character Dr. Gregory House from the series ‘House M.D.’, or just ‘House’. The comedy show was called ‘A Bit of Fry and Laurie’. It was a show unlike anything else I’ve ever watched and thought it was hilarious, even though it was quite hard to follow for the young Dutch boy that I was. I think it’s worth watching some of their sketches, which were partially improvised, here on TH-cam.
Even though there certainly are many differences between the two, he frequently reminds me of Christopher Hitchens. Both very outspoken and both masters with words. They both formed a team in a long debate about the statement “The Catholic Church is a Force for Good in the World”. You’ll be able to find this two hour debate by searching for that statement. Maybe you may need to add the names ‘Hitchens’ and ‘Fry’, but I don’t think it’s a hard search. In all fairness, I thought their opponents made it a little too easy, because the native language of those two is NOT English. Then again, it’s not the debate by itself that I think is impressive. It’s the opening statements and the rebuttals of Hitchens and Fry that are so powerful that it’s almost impossible to disagree (in my opinion).
I’m not sure if this debate, or even just the powerful opening statements, is something you would like to comment on on your channel, because…. well, Americans and religion…, but I’m pretty sure you would be interested in watching this debate.
Sorry, this is just a recommendation for you from someone who feels really strongly about this, especially because it’s not so much about personal beliefs, but about the position of the Catholic Church and what’s wrong with it according to Hitchens and Fry. And I learned many things that I had no idea about before I saw that video. I understand that this may seem like I want to push you into certain directions. I honestly don’t. But I saw how much you admired Stephen Fry and his mindset, just like I do. And I thought this would interest you because of your own points of view that were in line with the wordings of Stephen Fry.
I loved watching this video. Thanks! 🧡🧡🧡
He's a truly beautiful soul and a hell of a wordsmith
Steven Fry went to university with Hugh Laurie and Emma Thompson
Also Rowan Atkinson and the often overlooked Tony Slattery
listening to stephen fry and Jordon pederson having a one on one conversation/debate is an absolute joy. two men who can both talk eloquently and with intelligence, prepared to listen and put forward a good argument.
On some things I'm on the left, on some things I'm on the right, on most things I'm somewhere mostly in the middle. In Stephen Frys desired world I'd be a person, in PC culture I'm a traitor, a fool and a self-hater. But they don't bring me arguments, they try to force compliance. If you're taken hostage you may comply but what does it do to the heart? You're not swaying me to your side. Like those climate activists spraypanting stonehenge? I care about the environment, but by trying to be that forceful, my first thought is 'lets go dump some oil in a lake or something'. Let people be people, we're all multifaceted. If there's an extreme action there will be an extreme reaction. PC is how you get people that agree 80% with you to go 'F all you have to say'.
It feels like the problem is people just don't have enough respect for each other's individual experiences. I don't give PC any weight because when I'm speaking to someone, the only thing that matters is how they individually respond to me. The internet removes that connection, and that's why this is almost entirely an internet problem.
I'm left on most things because of the life I've lived. My mother is disabled and unable to work and relies on government housing and social security to have a roof over her head and food. Someone without that experience might look at "welfare" as something to be taken advantage of, something that promotes laziness. I see it as a necessity that does far more good than harm, and the entire reason I pay taxes - to help those who need it and who I cannot personally give everything to myself.
No one should be called a traitor, but I do think there's too little understanding on both sides of this. Different people have different experiences, and some are hurt immensely by decisions that do not at all impact others. So those people are, out of necessity, going to get more upset than others. I feel this any time cutting social security comes up. For some, this means a later retirement. For me, this means my mother loses everything.
We have to stop treating discussions we see online as if they are indicative of the way people act in the real world, most of all. Social media boosts the worst "PC" takes because those are the things that generate discourse. In reality, all "political correctness" is, in an individual conversation, is asking that a person listen to you and respect that your experiences and perspectives might be different. It's courtesy. No one can force it, but we can all expect it from people if they want us to respect them in return.
You do know Fry putts from the rough, right?
@@scipioafricanus5871 Are you pointing out that a gay man who openly talks about being gay, including in this video, is gay? You're clever
I'm mainly anti-pedo and that's why I don't like pedo Fry.
So, you're weak and okay with evil people winning.
Got it.
Amazing i does not know these two had debated. I've huge respect for both, and it's great to hear the opener from fry and from you seeing the scene. This sense of being able to put the topic on the table and discuss it without ad hominems should be regarded as a basic tenet of adulthood imo.
Fry was educated in the British "public school" (=private schools) system, where debating societies and rhetoric classes are things.
First time seen u Heidi, Thanku, for your video...nuff said, I'm gonna watch full debate...P.S. watch some clips of Stephen Fry in BLACKADDER
Hi Heidi. Truly a pleasure to meet you here. I was deeply touched by your reaction to Stephen Fry. If you would like to see more of his eloquence and gentle magnificence, I would recommend a debate he was in with another wonderfully eloquent Englishman, Christopher Hitchens, where they verbally battled with Archbishop John Onaiyeken and Anne Widdecombe on the subject of Catholicism. I believe you would find it equally edifying, and charming. Wishing you a most amazing journey of discovery through your life. Keep searching....there is much joy in learning.
'Gentle magnificence,' is a lovely way to describe Stephen Fry.
If I remember rightly "the black guy" called Peterson "an angry white guy" which didn't help anyone take him seriously.
I have not seen the whole thing, so I don’t know the context, but as a point of rhetoric, it’s somewhat undercutting your point that _you_ are referring to “the black guy” (quotes or otherwise) but not mentioning his name, while mentioning Peterson’s. Google tells me his name is Michael Eric Dyson, fyi, but again, haven’t watched the thing, not vouching for anyone’s opinion either way, and I’m not presuming anything about what your opinions either, just commenting on the words as written.
@@ferchrissakes How else do you identify the black guy without saying the black guy. It's not racist to use the unique identifying feature to identify someone.
There's nothing negative or racist about being black or pointing out someone is black any more than saying tall or fat, it's just an identifying feature, and the only unique one that helps identify him.
I don't know his name, so physical appearance is obviously the next step in identifying him uniquely out of the four, just as the woman would have identified the only women in the group.
All you're demonstrating is precisely the policing of words and being offended for someone else that Stephen Fry was actually talking about.
Were they even introduced or referenced by name in this clip? I don't remember.
@@daveofyorkshire301 "How else do you identify ..." - oh, well, that's simple. By looking up his name, if you take the time to criticize him. It is not that you referred to him, like he referred to Jordan Peterson, it is that you did not take the time to even look up his name. Which - could - be interpreted to your disadvantage in this case.
@@imcrazedandconfused Why put effort into finding out his name when there is a singular characteristic that easily identifies him? You're so afraid to even say the word black these days it's ridiculous.
He is a black man. That uniquely identifies him in this group, just as the woman identifies the one sat next to him. Get over your prejudice and realize being black or saying black is not an insult, it's merely a descriptive term to uniquely identify someone.
If he had one leg and I said the one-legged man would you be equally insulted on his behalf? Get over your own bigotry and prejudices and don't assign them to me.
Who wrote the rule of not criticizing someone just because you don't know their name? Are you making rules up?
@@daveofyorkshire301 I never thought black is an insult. But you should seriously think about your own bigotry and not mine.
Stephen Fry is what people had called "an intellectual", before the term became overused and ambiguous. Today it seems that everyone who has an university diploma or has read a book or two is called in intellectual, but the term is not the synonym for "smart". It used to mean a person who is not only knowledgeable, but erudite, someone who uses the intellect with integrity and humility, always on the basis of ethical and humaine principles.
The other side was a car crash of flowery language with about as much substance and relevance to the topic as a cloud. Not one argument in favour of political correctness was uttered.
wouldnt the other side argue AGAINST political correctness? Though i doubt it would make any sense.
Political correctness, thoughts and prayers -- things people say in order to NOT DO ANY thing but just pretend.
Thanks for sharing your experience and thought watching this !
Mr Fry is one of the smartest and most eloquent people I have had the pleasure of meeting through their publications and speeches. A person who doesn't shy away from saying the right words or cracking a joke and is modest enough not to take himself too seriously.
Awesome actor.... Gut wrenching scene when he gets dragged away in v for vendetta
His debate with Christopher Hitchens on Intelligence squared in the Methodist Central Hall, London, was one of the best debates I have ever heard.
I'm offended.
Not by anything in particular.
Just in general.
You identify as offended? 😂 😉
You'll fit right in then. 😉
@@HailHeidi Now I'm really offended.
What are your pronouns if you identify as offended? Or is it "considered to be offensive" that I don't already know? 😜
Which end is your 'off'?
The world needs people like Stephen Fry
As a comedian, as an actor, as a writer, as a person, I've always admired Stephen Fry and his brilliant mind.
A perfect example of the point he makes here is the 1974 movie, Blazing Saddles. It's one of the funniest movies ever made, yet it's also a hard biting example of the stupidity of racism. The movie was edgy for its time, but it simply couldn't be made today as someone, everyone, would find something in it to offend either themselves or feel offended for someone else, even if that someone else weren't the least bit offended. Political correctness has created a social and political environment in that we cannot say what we feel, no matter how well meaning we are. Blazing Saddles showed that the best way to combat racism, or any other way of 'othering' certain groups of people, is to confront it head on. Make people think instead of telling us how to think.
I cannot say that I have ever seen a better reaction video, and I have seen a lot. Very nicely done.
Jordan Peterson and Stephen Fry absolutely dominated this debate. So much so that in the end, the other side ended up saying racist things as a rebuttal. Specifically, when Dr. Michael Eric Dyson said that the only reason Dr. Peterson had the opinions he had was because he was a 'white man' and white men are terrible, and that's why Jordan Peterson is a 'mean, mad white man.'
The New York Times journalist didn't understand what Stephen Fry and Jordan Peterson were saying because she was given multiple opportunities to answer a question Jordan Peterson had asked, 'when does the left go too far because it can because hundreds of millions of people have died due to leftist policies. So, where is the tipping point?' And her response was, 'when they start killing people.' To which Peterson responded (I'm paraphrasing), "yeah but they were killed because of an idea that the left wanted to uphold..so what was that idea. They didn't just wake up and start killing people indiscriminately. They were killing specific people because those people specifically represented something.'
And Michael Eric Dyson was pretty racist and dismissive in this debate. In addition to chastising someone because of the colour of their skin and attributing behaviours and ideas because of someone's skin colour. He was dismissive of the holocaust, which is pretty reprehensible in my books. Specifically, he asked Peterson if the right has ever gone too far. And Peterson replied, "of course." Dyson, "like when?" Peterson, "How about Auschwitz?" Dyson, "I mean....okay....what about recently?" Which to me, is a dismissive response because people have done the exact same thing with Black Slavery in the US and Dyson was speaking to the consequences of Black Slavery during this debate. So if someone had said, "Slavery...I mean...okay....but that was so long ago. Get over it. What about something recent?" Dyson would have had a conniption. He was hypocritical and his arguments were baseless throughout the whole debate.
It wasn't even a debate. It was a wholloping. And that was indicative in the post-debate results. Where Peterson and Fry's side gained an additional 25%+ of the audience vote once the debate was finished, totaling more than 2/3rds of the audience voting in their favour, or for their side.
A scared kindness ~ a beautiful description of political correctness
😆Can anyone imagine having both George Carlin and Stephen Fry together at a dinner-party?👏
He’s a national treasure.
Thank you SO much, Heidi! It was glorious to see Stephen Fry's comments spread yet again. His words strike a soft blow to my heart to awaken me to help people pursue *what works*. Defending 'our point' until we turn blue in the face isn't going to get us anywhere.
Being playful with the ideas (especially playing with the ideas of people we disagree with) is just so important. Well said, Mr Fry.
P.S. I hope you watched the whole debate, Heidi 😊
By "Harvey" Fry is referring to Harvey Weinstein and his abuse of power within the film industry...