Shape my kicks individually with EQ probably my ProQ2 before. Compression if needed. Then my Kick Sub Mix use C6(MB Comp) and Puitech EQ! Console or tape saturation to taste!
Thanks for the reply:) Actually I found exactly what I needed! Pro-MB by Fab Filter is so perfect. 20m of look ahead. Yay no more loss of transients in the dynamic processing! Also there are different dynamic phase options to choose from. It may not be as sharp as an eq can be but the 48db/oct slope works good for my uses.
Your getting confused with multiband compression and dynamic eq's. They are two different tools that work in a similar way,but multiband compressors only work in large bands of band passes,lowpass and highpass. Dynamic eq's work with all Q types and not only large bands. It basically has all the features a normal EQ has,but with the ability to add compression to each parameter. Check out the new izotope ozone pack they have a newly added dynamic EQ and also you can manually set up any EQ to be dynamic if you have a envelope follower plug in which can get more complicated then just using a dynamic EQ designed for that function. The izotope dynamic eq is a good example of a dynamic eq thats easy to work with and show,but there are others. (edit): If you want to force any EQ to be a dynamic EQ there is a plug in in fl studio's call fruity peak controller which controls midi with volume all you need to do it set it before the EQ plug in and link which ever parameters you want. This type of process is really advanced and you can basically turn you favorite EQ's into a dynamic EQ like for example a puigtec EQ. There might be other plugin's like fruity peak controller,but this is the only one i know about.
Hey BL, Not confused at all, not even a tiny bit my friend...!!!! :-) Multiband dynamics have been around for decades and have commonly called dynamic EQs for just as long. First one I saw was made by Dolby in the 80's.. Just because it doesn't have the extended features of a "Dynamic EQ" doesn't mean that it is not one. By your analogy the Pultec MEQ5 is not and EQ because it only has 3 parametric bands with no Q control, no HP or LP filters and no shelving bands. Don't confuse the labeling. It's not very complicated, if you can add or subtract gain within a frequency band you have an EQ. If that same band has dynamic controls it is technically a dynamic EQ. Doesn't matter if you can't change the filter types or have limited control over bandwidth. Although limited in function, is is every bit a dynamic EQ. Newer plugins (over the last 10 years or so) are taking this concept and extending it out of the mastering world, where it was primarily used, and brought it into mix engineers hands by re-branding and adding features that are more useful to a mix engineer, DJ or producer. It's just like taking the MEQ-5 (very limited features) and years later creating the Manley Massive Passive (Very Flexible). Both are passive EQ's using similar circuit designs but that latter offers more bands, filter types and control. Doesn't mean that the MEQ-5 is no longer an EQ. Hope that makes sense...! Cheers! Mike
I wasn't implying the puigtech (pultech emulation) to be a standard EQ , I know it's a type of EQ (passive EQ with i believe Tube saturation),not a complete EQ and added that in as an example of a favorite type of EQ of mines that could be forced to turn into a dynamic EQ with an envelopefollower plug in like fruity peak controller. This method of forcing an EQ to be a dynamic EQ can be used on an SSL EQ same for other uses for any parameter in any plug in and thats what i'm implying to be complicated to do which is to force any type of EQ to be a dynamic EQ. As for multiband compressors i've never seen one that uses other bands then bandpass,low pass, and high pass because it's purpose is to work with those types of bands. Dynamic EQ's use all band types including shelfs, bell curves and even baxandall if the dynamic EQ has that feature , but mostly it operates on shelfs and bell curves in addition to band,low, highpass, and maybe more . This is something i know as a fact since having many multiband and dynamic EQ's and thats basically the difference between them. One isn't better then the other if you think thats my opinion, but each has it's own purpose. Also another strong point is if multiband compressors where dynamic EQ's why would a plug in company sell a bundle with a dynamic eq and a multiband compressor it's they are the same thing? It really wouldn't make sense if that was the case since they operate differently. I could also show proof of a Dynamic EQ and a multiband compressor that is offered by a few companys in their bundle. I wasn't aware if people called multiband compressors a dynamic EQ, but i have those type of plug in's which work differently. I really wouldn't bring this up if i didn't know what i was talking about in this situation and hope this doesn't confuse you because it's alot of writing in addition to explaining how any EQ can be forced to be a Dynamic EQ with a certain type of plug in. If you need proof i can put up some screen shots or a video (if i have time).
I knew you wouldn't go away without a fight, hahahaha! I'll make it as simple as I can make it for you because I understand everything that you are saying except you are caught up in the name instead of the function. Multiband Dynamics are primarily designed for Mastering and optimized for that Specific purpose. They dynamically affect the gain of a frequency limited area AKA Dynamic Equalization) The lack of flexibility is to maintain phase coherency at the crossover points. I use them SPECIFICALLY in my mastering work for purpose of dynamic equalization, not compression. Dynamic EQs provide additional functions that are more suited for mixing yet operate using the identical principles. The additional functionality makes the phase coherency less accurate but not a problem for mixing. BOTTOM LINE: Band Limited Gain of ANY filter shape that responds dynamically to the input signal is a Dynamic EQ by pure definition. Doesn't matter whether you call it a DeEsser a MultiBand Compressor or a Dynamic EQ.
I am relating to the name and the function. They do work differently and are separate tools. If you don't have a Dynamic EQ you can download the izotope ozone 6 demo which comes with a Dynamic EQ and multiband compressor (named dynamics). www.izotope.com/en/products/mixing-mastering/ozone/ that's the link and shows a picture of the Dynamic EQ as well as the functions.
Hey BL, I am familiar with Ozone 6 and the included Dynamic EQ. It is an advanced version of dynamic equalization. Other than advanced filter shapes, increased flexibility and signal analysis it performs the same basic function: bandlimited dynamic control of gain. AKA Dynamic EQ. Same idea, more precise controls, that's all...
Wow, all these years with the C1 in my toolkit, and I've never ever thought of using it that way. Thanks for the tip ! Keep up the great work
+Tax Money Yes, C1 is a deceptively flexible and powerful dynamic processor!
Cheers!
Mike
magic mike nailing it. again$$$
You just gave me a possible great idea.............. I layer LOTS of kicks in Hip Hop, this comp would prob be great for my kick submix?
Shape my kicks individually with EQ probably my ProQ2 before. Compression if needed. Then my Kick Sub Mix use C6(MB Comp) and Puitech EQ! Console or tape saturation to taste!
Are there any dynamic eq plugins with lookahead for fast drums sidechain? thanks
Cannot think of any with 'Look Ahead'
Maybe I'm assuming that is just built in since it is already buffering the sound.
Thanks for the reply:) Actually I found exactly what I needed! Pro-MB by Fab Filter is so perfect. 20m of look ahead. Yay no more loss of transients in the dynamic processing! Also there are different dynamic phase options to choose from. It may not be as sharp as an eq can be but the 48db/oct slope works good for my uses.
Your getting confused with multiband compression and dynamic eq's. They are two different tools that work in a similar way,but multiband compressors only work in large bands of band passes,lowpass and highpass. Dynamic eq's work with all Q types and not only large bands. It basically has all the features a normal EQ has,but with the ability to add compression to each parameter. Check out the new izotope ozone pack they have a newly added dynamic EQ and also you can manually set up any EQ to be dynamic if you have a envelope follower plug in which can get more complicated then just using a dynamic EQ designed for that function. The izotope dynamic eq is a good example of a dynamic eq thats easy to work with and show,but there are others.
(edit): If you want to force any EQ to be a dynamic EQ there is a plug in in fl studio's call fruity peak controller which controls midi with volume all you need to do it set it before the EQ plug in and link which ever parameters you want. This type of process is really advanced and you can basically turn you favorite EQ's into a dynamic EQ like for example a puigtec EQ. There might be other plugin's like fruity peak controller,but this is the only one i know about.
Hey BL,
Not confused at all, not even a tiny bit my friend...!!!! :-) Multiband dynamics have been around for decades and have commonly called dynamic EQs for just as long. First one I saw was made by Dolby in the 80's.. Just because it doesn't have the extended features of a "Dynamic EQ" doesn't mean that it is not one. By your analogy the Pultec MEQ5 is not and EQ because it only has 3 parametric bands with no Q control, no HP or LP filters and no shelving bands. Don't confuse the labeling. It's not very complicated, if you can add or subtract gain within a frequency band you have an EQ. If that same band has dynamic controls it is technically a dynamic EQ. Doesn't matter if you can't change the filter types or have limited control over bandwidth. Although limited in function, is is every bit a dynamic EQ.
Newer plugins (over the last 10 years or so) are taking this concept and extending it out of the mastering world, where it was primarily used, and brought it into mix engineers hands by re-branding and adding features that are more useful to a mix engineer, DJ or producer. It's just like taking the MEQ-5 (very limited features) and years later creating the Manley Massive Passive (Very Flexible). Both are passive EQ's using similar circuit designs but that latter offers more bands, filter types and control. Doesn't mean that the MEQ-5 is no longer an EQ.
Hope that makes sense...!
Cheers!
Mike
I wasn't implying the puigtech (pultech emulation) to be a standard EQ , I know it's a type of EQ (passive EQ with i believe Tube saturation),not a complete EQ and added that in as an example of a favorite type of EQ of mines that could be forced to turn into a dynamic EQ with an envelopefollower plug in like fruity peak controller. This method of forcing an EQ to be a dynamic EQ can be used on an SSL EQ same for other uses for any parameter in any plug in and thats what i'm implying to be complicated to do which is to force any type of EQ to be a dynamic EQ. As for multiband compressors i've never seen one that uses other bands then bandpass,low pass, and high pass because it's purpose is to work with those types of bands. Dynamic EQ's use all band types including shelfs, bell curves and even baxandall if the dynamic EQ has that feature , but mostly it operates on shelfs and bell curves in addition to band,low, highpass, and maybe more . This is something i know as a fact since having many multiband and dynamic EQ's and thats basically the difference between them. One isn't better then the other if you think thats my opinion, but each has it's own purpose. Also another strong point is if multiband compressors where dynamic EQ's why would a plug in company sell a bundle with a dynamic eq and a multiband compressor it's they are the same thing? It really wouldn't make sense if that was the case since they operate differently. I could also show proof of a Dynamic EQ and a multiband compressor that is offered by a few companys in their bundle. I wasn't aware if people called multiband compressors a dynamic EQ, but i have those type of plug in's which work differently. I really wouldn't bring this up if i didn't know what i was talking about in this situation and hope this doesn't confuse you because it's alot of writing in addition to explaining how any EQ can be forced to be a Dynamic EQ with a certain type of plug in. If you need proof i can put up some screen shots or a video (if i have time).
I knew you wouldn't go away without a fight, hahahaha!
I'll make it as simple as I can make it for you because I understand everything that you are saying except you are caught up in the name instead of the function.
Multiband Dynamics are primarily designed for Mastering and optimized for that Specific purpose. They dynamically affect the gain of a frequency limited area AKA Dynamic Equalization) The lack of flexibility is to maintain phase coherency at the crossover points. I use them SPECIFICALLY in my mastering work for purpose of dynamic equalization, not compression.
Dynamic EQs provide additional functions that are more suited for mixing yet operate using the identical principles. The additional functionality makes the phase coherency less accurate but not a problem for mixing.
BOTTOM LINE:
Band Limited Gain of ANY filter shape that responds dynamically to the input signal is a Dynamic EQ by pure definition. Doesn't matter whether you call it a DeEsser a MultiBand Compressor or a Dynamic EQ.
I am relating to the name and the function. They do work differently and are separate tools. If you don't have a Dynamic EQ you can download the izotope ozone 6 demo which comes with a Dynamic EQ and multiband compressor (named dynamics). www.izotope.com/en/products/mixing-mastering/ozone/ that's the link and shows a picture of the Dynamic EQ as well as the functions.
Hey BL,
I am familiar with Ozone 6 and the included Dynamic EQ. It is an advanced version of dynamic equalization. Other than advanced filter shapes, increased flexibility and signal analysis it performs the same basic function: bandlimited dynamic control of gain. AKA Dynamic EQ. Same idea, more precise controls, that's all...