Well at this point I highly suspect we will now br having a guaranteed graduation every month now. With Kyo's coming up soon we can only wonder who's is coming next.
Selen: Repeatedly talk about her project beforehand, Pay for everything herself, make it with Her team themselves, be practically indie, being the only one being transparent to the fans. Niji : Selen blamed us for mismanagement while we are fair with Selen
Its also financial abuse, they wait till the last second to pull a "red tape" move on her after she got in debt for the project. Its how they control talent, force them to spend money to promote themselves keeping them in a cycle of debt.
@@boxhead6177 oh, now I suspect Niji were trying to kept her indebted so she wont quit, but the resulting incident forces them to terminate her, and blame her for it. Wow
@@boxhead6177 Considering the creators that have come out saying that Nijisanji keeps flubbing paperwork being sent to them and how they weren't paid until Selen did so out of her own pocket, this seems to have been going on for a while and not just with this particular project.
I mean yeah, if the rules say her and her team have to go by mangement first and she does not regardless of what she says or does publicly it is in fact her fault.
They literally buried themselves by making that whole statement, they could have said that shes terminated because of violations of contract and leave it at that, but instead basically confirmed that the company and some of the livers have been harassing her Big brain move for sure
“You won’t take the talent from me!” “Your anger and lust for power have already done that. You have allowed this twisted masquerade to cloud your judgement until now you have become the very thing that you were meant to offer your audience an escape from.”
Reminder: Every single person involved with the last cup of coffee video except niji management said permission rights were 100% squared away months before the video went live.
I bet my ass they were meandering and putting her off while she was getting actual perms trying to get the video out for christmas and she just posted it instead of waiting for them to get off their ass.
@@Forakus Not true. The copyright for Last Cup of Coffee is owned by songwriter LilyPichu. All of the art work was owned by the individual artists. That specific recording might be owned by AnyColor but it may be owned by the talent behind Selen Tatsuki, I'm unclear on that point. for all I know the recording is still owned by LilyPichu. As for employment all talents of Nijisanji are subcontractors and they pay for the covers themselves. The same goes with all the other VTuber agencies, this is why I am unclear on ownership of the recording, and depending on the country this could change based on the copyright law. Selen is Canadian so Canadian law would apply, not Japanese
@@EndoftheBeginning17 I think you can see this as a case similar to artists and labels. Where the artist owns the right to sing the song and such, but the label owns the specific recording. In this case, Any color probably owns the recording, but the artist owns the right to copy and distribute their contributions. As per copyright law, unless they signed that off in a contract.
When Zaion happened, I kept my scepticism and didn't want to do a witch hunt. Then Yugo, Nina, Mysta, Mika, most of NijiID (which was blended into EN), Pomu, Kyo, now with Selen I believe there is a serious leadership problem within NijisanjiEN. Especially since the graduates all said the same effin thing
I confess that as often happens in these situations, I had no idea who could be telling the truth at the beginning.....but now there are no more doubts: It was Zaion who was telling the truth and therefore, she deserves an apology from of all those who doubted or don't believe her. I'm not worried about Selen's future, because she will certainly find a new home ready to welcome her in a rather short time, also given her connections (both Hololive and VShojo are more than possible options, provided that she hasn't decided to go back to indie) and the the most important thing is that she is finally free from Nijisanji. It's amazing how in almost all cases, people are sad or depressed by a VTuber's graduation/termination, but how instead hearing about someone leaving Niji, makes you breathe a sigh of relief. And as I've said at all their other recent graduations, i hope MANY others (at least the entire NijiEN branch) decide to graduate from there, because they deserve better.
The problem with zaion is her menhera actions that made it impossible to believe her statements. The fact she loves kids and almost acts like an adult r18 streamer is just concerning in every way even now. I doubt she has redeemed her self to become a better person as she still is mentally ill.
@@lizlizbianrosethornsword Like hey the collabs going on right now I won't deny are fun which make me want them the EN livers to have the best of the best. I sincerely hope the remaining EN livers will get a new better company job or a strong fan base so they can continue their activities.
@holypokemondefender3368 Absolutely! Like Elira, Doppio, Fulgur and Scarla! Those 4 are super talented and funny! Their Monster Camp collabs are always awesome!
Btw I notice one thing. I think Anycolor didnt do termination immediately because they are selling Selen's voice pack. Only after selling them they do termination. Squeezing the last money they could get
@@daner8878 Very true. I had a suspicion and the suspicion is all confirmed. It seems like not just the management that were trash, but there were other livers within who harassed her. My respect that is already almost non existent is gone from Niji. I had only watched Pomu a bit in Niji since she had collabs with Kiwawa. But after her gone I dont care much about Niji. I only followed Selen's Issue but dang she got terminated tkk
@@UnbiddenYard599 Really? I thought some would buy though. But it is true. The way Niji acts is very scummy. Why did they had ti harass her though. Didnt they realize after all the yabs that they should listen to their livers more at least. They already had a case of Zaion and if they harrassed the talents they didnt even think a second Zaion will appear is ridiclous
@@UnbiddenYard599 Why would you anyway? The livers barely get anything out of the whole merch stuff. After that came out I think their merch sales dropped significantly and rightly so.
"We not only tried to communicate with Selen, but her emergency contacts as well." What a weird say to say "while you are in the hospital for a self harm attempt, please post that you did something wrong and cover for us, and when you dont answer in a timely fashion we will then spam your parents as well"
Guys. If you like Selen Tatsuki, I recommend you check out the indie Vtuber Dokibird. She is having her first stream in a few years in just 2 days from now. I highly recommend. She has a similar sense of humor, similar voice, similar dog, and had been silenced by a shit eating company she worked for the past month so she couldn't legally say anything, but she is starting to stream again in just 2 days!
Basically the permissions for the song went as follows: Artist who made the darn thing: I consent Selen: I consent Kurosanji: I don't Edit:spelling, I was too pissed off to care for it when I typed it Edit 2: many of the people involved with selen's mv have all said they had given permission to selen months back, it has become abundantly clear that the "permissions" that were needed were not from "third parties" (relevant parties) but from nijisanji themselves Nijisanji didn't like something, whether it was how selen got the permissions or if they didn't like the use of graduated livers, it was nijisanji themselves who were against the release of the video what a bunch of mfs, they don't even have the decency to say they were the ones messing with the mv's release schedule, that's probably why selen released it because she had the permission from literally everyone except nijisanji themselves, when nijisanji first said yes but suddenly said no coz "f*ck you, that's why" So freaking vile to let her complete the mv (that she fully paid from her own pocket) only to say no and mess up her schedule, she was planing to purposely burn her investment but they had to get in her way again and not even give her the satisfaction of leaving her mv up for her fans to watch You'd think management would be keeping an eye on her so nothing unexpected shows up in her projects, but they blindly gave her permission and got surprised when something unexpected showed up Mismanagement at nijisanji is so bad, the head doesn't know what the tail is doing and then they bitch when the unsupervised liver fucks up, it's management job to guide her and tell her what she's allowed and not allowed to do but it seems they expect the liver to know stupid rules not even management themselves seem to remember until it becomes a problem
Nijisanji: Isn't there someone you forgot to ask? I could understand that a Japanese company like Nijisanji wants to go through due process, but they made such a big stink out of --some miscommunication-- their own refusal to communicate... and flat-out lying... and ignoring bullying between co-workers? What?
If that was what happened then I would have understood it since it's the problem you will face if you are a corpo, the company you are under has final say. The problem is Nijisanji initially said yes then suddenly switched up and said no for apparently no reason.
DID ANYONE ELSE NOTICE Dokibird: "bullying from within" Nijisanji EN: "claims of harassment from other livers" Did Niji EN just out the other Livers as bullies THEMSELVES when Selen/Doki only vaguely alluded to it?!?!
It’s more like they’re reporting what selen was claiming to be going through while not acknowledging it and trying to deflect from that point to her responsibilities, which is a very weak argument
Yeah, they basically confirms it happens but not recognize it as such. Like if you are getting bullied on school and the teacher just told you "they are just playing with you".
I may be wrong but someone has said that in the JP version, it says that the other livers tried to give advice while in EN, it legit just says that the other livers bullied her
You know, I had a feeling this was going to happen. When Nina suddenly announced she was graduating, I knew the end was approaching. Mysta then suddenly graduated... then Mika... then Pomu.. now Selen's been terminated.. and Kyo recently announced his graduation. Probably missed a few names, but you get the idea. In the span of less than a year. 6 names are gone or will be going due to various reasons. I can only imagine how many more people will graduate before 2024 is up. Also Niji-Sanji cant blame Selen for their reputation being ruined when it was already in the toilet.
You can actually include Zaion into the mix as well, her termination was around 10-11 months ago, so they’ve actually lost 7 (I know there were way more graduations but it’s a long list) names just under a year
@@samkelly5045 I totally forgot about Zaion as well. On top of that, look at where Nina and Mysta are now... VShoujo. And based on the streams they done so far, they seem a lot happier there. It wouldn't surprise me if we see Pomu, Selen and Kyo wind up there eventualy.
Bullied so much she tried killing herself and then terminated??! Yeah fuck you Niji. I hope she gets a new job from another company that will treat her much better. Glad to hears she's doing okay. Stay strong DOKIBIRD!! ✊️ We're all supporting you in this bs!
It’s all starting to make sense why Pomu jumped ship now. Same with Nina. Especially Pomu, as Selen’s hospital visit was before she announced graduation
@@thinkingsoutherner9911Makes me wonder if Pomu knew about Selen's attempt and immediately sped up her planned departure when she realized Niji was going to sweep that under the rug and play possum...
normally I'd joke about her joining VSJ since it's pretty much their M.O. But screw that, she now deserves a gold ticket to join Hololive after all she's been through frfr
2:44 As someone who's worked in a terrible company before, I just want to say company violations/warnings are meaningless. Basically he said, she said stuff. It's was my company's policy to trash or dismantle any defective product you discover. I was written up for repeated violations of "wanton destruction of company property." I wasn't aware I was doing anything wrong until they pulled aside one day. They acted as if I was warned multiple times (I had not). When I asked for clarification on company policy, I was written up again for "unprofessional behavior" and "insubordination." Much later, I found out the regional manager had a personal vendetta against me because I was attending a university that he was rejected from.
@@Meonium The kicker is that I barely knew him. He only spent 5 minutes on me during the job interview. His personal friend was the general manager and his nephew my supervisor. If not for them, I'd have no idea why I was mistreated.
It is what it is. And there's a reason a saying : "Truth sometimes stranger than myth" exist. Petty and envious people like aren't that uncommon, if you not yet met such people then youre quite lucky.
I agree, if she was allowed to join 1-2 week(s) later or graduate (possibly releasing and leaving the content up forever) then people would forget about it.
@@KingSnickSnackwell in short it's not slander. It's just basically stating what Selen has done be it vague or detailed. The letter in no way damages Selen's personal and working reputation.
@@35PHaaton it does in the eyes of other companies. They are painting her in as bad a light as they can. The viewers don't believe them, but this is a PR move to character assassinate her, this is for all intents and purposes slander
Idk if you saw it, but apparently the EN statement has a lot of differences in wording compared to the JP one. Supposedly, the JP statement says that other livers were trying to give her advice, while the EN statement says that she was being bullied by affiliated livers. Kinda makes me feel like their trying to throw blame towards the talents, because that sounds like a crazy mistranslation
@@local_soul Nah. The cliquey culture of niji is toxic for sure. You see it with how Millie constantly tries to cover for management in a very clumsy way that makes everything look worse.
The fact so many Niji EN livers are leaving shows that the issue is in the company, principally since plenty of them repeat the same thing regarding the reasons they are leaving: "I did everything I could here" or "Not many opportunities here" etc. And not only that, they also indirectly address issues regarding management, to the point Kuro and Matara got surprised in how good is Vshoujo's treatment about their members. Just look at how they are now in Vshoujo. Both so comfortable, excited and lively
when the phrase "give us a call if you need something and we will talk about it" from a new manager is enough to make a talent tear up shows how much is wrong in nijisanji nowdays. and to think they used to be as good if not better than hololive back in 2020 when it came to the amount of effort they put into their talents.
@@m54269Wrong. They need a new rebranding into something. Make Nijisanji into something else. Then sell the company to Yagoo, Gun Run, Sakuna or anyone else goat. Maybe even Merry.
“Our immediate response was to make the music video private”, then they claim Selen made a misleading statement by posting “management has privated the song”. If you break the rules, you break the rules and should be punished. But it sounds like Selen was going through steps and Niji was dropping the ball on their side.
@@GeneralSecurai mean… the only reason they could have make that is because the perms or copyright, because the song wasnt even “charged with f-words”
@@Genburthing But even there: The copyright was cleared. Even in Japan it's upon the artist, when the artist is not in the JASRAC, to give the go for the cover.
They also threw their other livers under the bus by mentioning livers bullying her, since there was no mention of livers in Dokibird's tweets. So thanks to Niji, there's now a shadow over all the other livers with audiences wondering if their oshi is secretly a bully.
@@anshorikhoiril3387 Yeah there was merch that was made at the end of 2023 that still needed to be sold. I seriously doubt any of her fans are going to purchase any of it after hearing this statement by them.
@@Meoniumpretty sure EN side won't have interest towards Niji anymore (unless they're ignorant), but JP side tho....oh boy....they would still flock in to Niji thx to their corpo slave mentality.
Yeah kurosanji JP fans are build different but at least the investors are losing their confidence in Kurosanji with the proof of stock drops and Kurosanji buying their own stocks to reduce the drop
*"We sincerely appreciate your ongoing support of Nijisanji and NijiEN"* No, we support the talents. Not you Can't believe they terminated Selen... At least she's free now. Hopefully YAGOO or other better companies will recruit her Yeah there's this cool gamer called "Dokibird", you guys should check her!
There's such a huge difference of tone and feel between Mel's termination from Holo and Selen's from Niji it's crazy. Sadness but cordiality on one side, anger and conflict on the other.
Even Rushias termination that was somewhat worse was super respectful on the CoverCorp side, meanwhile Niji going "heres a full statement on each small thing the liver did wrong and why we hate them"
Kuroniji will throw talents under the bus to protect their reputation and will try to frame any termination in the worst way possible for the talent. They so stupid that they still haven't figured out that doing exactly that is destroying their reputation even more. Management is as bad at PR as they are at managing the talents, honestly, they need to all get fired, it's pretty clear they are incompetent.
Mel's Graduation is more acceptable because Mel herself admit her fault, while Hololive have the solid reason to keep their integrity with their own rules. Hell, even Rushia's graduation despite how the controversy MKNK is it's still vetter compared than this Selen's termination thing.
It definitely feels like the Niji EN termination announcement letters are basically trying to poison the well as much as possible and make their actions seem justified.
@@akira8393and you feel like it is necessary to comment that? You’re not the main character here, stop acting like one. I may not be the biggest fan but I atleast see the bullshit of Niji
Like Selen we as her fans we will see she gets justice! Yagoo or Gun Run we leave this up to you! Iron Mouse a fellow Vtuber need you help this dragon out!
@@hafirenggayuda Same. But it was John Stewart/Green Lantern who said it in Justice League Animated Season One, though. Lex Luthor said it in Justice League: Unlimited.
@@josueveguilla9069 I remember Lex said it when he turned into hairless gorilla (I lol too long at that scene), when do John said it btw? Edit: also, JUDAS PRIEST. Man, JL animated have lots of nice quotes
@hafirenggayuda I believe it was in that scene where he and hawkgirl were at an abandoned library? Some alternate universe where they were looking for clues and found a door to a room that was blocked off with a brick wall. Lmaooooo is that right?
Niji has one option; go all in on their boys, and pray that they can carve a parasocial niche with them so deep that all the yabs in the universe won't break it. I don't see them having a normal future after this one. They literally said "we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong," and there is not a single person believing that. Godspeed, Dokibird.
@@Jasmineneeks just because no one watches, doesn't mean they don't bring in the money. Something I learned from the "traitors"(ex niji boy fans) that hopped to tempus when they debuted was that many of the sisters only really view them kind of like OC's/gacha pngs(like enstars characters). Something to still pour money on, but not really interested in watching(or see as real people underneath the avatar)
Dang DN is even faster then Khyo and False. I thought you will make a sudden stream like Mel termination and Pomu graduation. But this thing shocked me. They terminate her earlier then I thought
@@pixymisa8087 Well I know this is inevitable. But I thought they will do like 12 weeks of shadow ban or something similiar. I thought at least they will make her graduate or terminate after Kyo at least. Does anybody expect this news to happen before Kyo's graduation?
I was never sad when Nina and Mysta left because at least Mysta was vocal about how he felt about the cuts and Mika said at one point that he joined very happy and willing to do anything for content but within a few months he was depressed (I assume too many things were denied and he gave up).
what was the point of niji bringing up ANY of the harassment accusations in a termination notice?? "look guys! she said one of your oshis is mean! get her!"
it's absolutely sad that this happened to selen. they drove her to the point of TRYING TO TAKE HER OWN LIFE. nijisanji can't come back from this. anyways, support dokibird!! i heard she's coming back from graduation and she has such a similar vibe to selen (wink wink nudge nudge)!
@@johnwalker5047Selen suffer bullying from inside of the company and was surrounded by a toxic environment so she attempted her own life in December, she said on her Twitter account Dokibird that she was doing better and that she wouldn't let Niji silence her side of the story
Even if we strip away all the surrounding blame shifting, (currently) unconfirmable details and talk about image (why is any of that even in here?) and just go by the few hard facts they bring up, that already paints a grim picture: How come you first learn of a whole _music production_ by one of the talents under contract with you only TWO DAYS before release? Why would one of the biggest names in your company not rely on your extensive company assets - even if only for administrative tasks? That goes beyond some "rogue" talent disregarding red tape and cutting corners. Quite the opposite, as it meant massively more work for her. At best that implies a gross communication issue - and at worst it's corporate abuse (reaping the rewards while doing none of the work) or massive trust issues fostered within your company. It reminds me of how Matara Kan was _genuinely_ surprised and actively gushing over how her new manager just _did their regular job as a talent manager_ and offered help with the projects she planned... The implications of that are shocking. I admittedly know very little of Nijisanji, and I try my best to stay unbiased in these topics, even if things appear clean cut (hype culture and horde mentality can quickly turn against the wrong party). But even with all the effort I can muster, it's looking bad for them...
As a long time Pomu fan, the signs were there last year, and even longer ago. There were a lot of times when she talked about not getting enough support, and doing basically everything herself. It's clear that she was frustrated by the lack of support, since she had received decent support in her previous office job, even if she disliked office work and wanted to entertain people. So yeah, people who never had half decent management are going to be greatly surprised once they finally leave. It's tragic, because some of the Niji livers never had a real job before this, so they can't recognize how toxic Niji really is.
@@alexlowe2054 What's most surprising is that they managed to gaslight even Matara into taking that treatment as granted. She may not have been nearly as big before as when she signed with Niji, sure - but she's still a veteran of the industry.
I think that at least the En branch is done for. Any new waves are going to struggle to even break 100k subs, and we are going to see a slow exodus of people supporting them, with not many new people supporting them. It's going to take time, but I expect to see the En livers dropping out one by one.
I agree about the branch, the last wave, as far as i know, still doesnt have a wave name and was stealth dropped so quick i barely knew they debuted even though they are funny.
I have no clue why Anycolor would mention Selen claiming she was being harassed internally by other Niji members. That for sure is going to start a witch hunt.
That by far was the strangest part of Niji’s statement. I don't think Selen has even hinted that her fellow livers were harassing her so for Niji to call themselves out is weird.
Putting that in was an unmitigated PR disaster. Why would you implicate your livers if Selen/Dokibird hasn't said anything yet? If anything this forces the issue and the first thing people are going to ask is who harassed her.
@@Haunt888actually doubt just cause Selen isnt in Japan, if she was then yes it would be an easy lawsuit for Anycolor, in a decent amount of western countries the fact that she was hospitalized due to possibly harming herself would make a lawsuit literally impossible unless they prove she was mentally unstable due to reasons not related to the company I think
I was going to say that her mental might be shambles rn but since everything that happened this seems like breaking the shackles and finally going forward in life. Hope the dragoons and dokibird can adjust quickly
The more I think about it, I don't believe she is doing mentally well. You don't just go from an attempt to perfectly fine in a month but I'm sure with her friend and now the response from the community, it helps
You can tell this really hit hard with DN considering the video he made on how Selen is universally liked… She honestly deserve much better. I wish her the best in her future endeavors o7
@@kungkungz1321I won't complain if she becomes EN 4 if she decides the Hololive route in a few years time. Mumei would love her around and even Bae will have another rival :) if not Vshojo her buddies will be waiting ^^
I am in a deep state of anger right now, and I can't stop feeling to blame: 1. Those who "bullied" people inside Niji 2. Niji(EN) management 3. Those who bootlicking Tazumi's ass so hard
One thing that I always hated Niji for, was making it so hard over years and literally taking control of the things Selen made or arranged. I will NEVER forget how they took her WWE collab and FORCED an ad for Niji3D concert for NijiEN. This included the first 5 waves of NijiEn including Luxiem and Noctyx. All the Livers worked themselves to the bone for this concert and not long after announcement, Cancelled it. Two years later and nothing else has come of it. Pomu essentially had to GRADUATE just to get Home3D. That was the first nail for me, how they dangled so much in front of these workers then restricted and forced back to back and made them act. The livers are some of the best entertaining streamers I've seen, and I'm glad I've had the opportunity to find many. But now dragging someone THROUGH the mud in this way that has supported them for years is disgusting. I'm glad i can still support Zaion after that mess, Nina as my first Niji Oshi, Mysta as a kind soul, and now can still do the same for Selen.
I remember when Nina left and came to Vshojo she said management was never helpful and always made her stressed out. There is a clip of her saying this. Seemed like a lot of people glossed over that, but that raised major red flags to me.
Mamatara expressed how surprised she was when she offhandedly said an idea, she was surprised over the prospect that staff was *interested* to what she had to say and was even more surprised that they immediately followed up that they could get her a team to do it. Like. What the fuck.
@@yukis.763 Kinda like what you would expect joining an agency that centers around entertainment. Selen spent 200k of her own money last year and took home nothing in profits. With what information Selen has given us and how they have treated her like a doormat I cannot possibly even fathom that anyone would be crazy enough to join this agency. Some talents are still going to stick around for a few years weirdly enough despite this, that is their choice (miss me with that) but I don't see anyone getting in line to join up with Nijisanji.
AnyColor & they choose VantaBlack! also i love that the whole "Damaged the company's reputation" is them trying to escape the blame for #WhereIsSelen hashtag, which was THEIR FAULT for the whole Stealth Suspending nonsense
How a company can destroy their reputation this badly is astonishing. It's incredible...in all the wrong ways. I hope that Selen takes some time to recover from all this BS.
damn, about the bullying.. Pretty sure Zion on her alt talking in 3rd person mentioned Bullying or "people who i thought were my friends" seems like this is a long standing problem in NijiEN
Niji is supporting and funding talents based on "meritocracy" so licking company/management ass will earn them bigger projects. The company cultivated this environment, so whoever does not want to lick boots of management, will be forced to. Who was it that was defending the company lately ? ...
Bullying is a known issue even in JP side. Luna was bullied in Niji before she joined hololive, Delu talked about her exniji friend about how bad the environment and she got bullied/harassed into selfharm by their fans. That's just the known case, who knows how much are the unknown case we are never told about.
This explains a lot and confirms my worst fears. Their actions caused her to commit self harm. It also can explain certain graduations occuring. And no im trying to imply that they were the bullies, but if i were there and heard about this i would graduate too.
Always had been. So glad I took her side immediately when I saw how disgusting that termination notice was. I'm sure there are livers that had nothing to do with what happened to either of them, but this time, knowing how far it went and for how long, I'm blocking any liver that will throw even a single word out of line or the slightest shade regarding her.
yes, did you look up her side or the streams they mentioned in the termination? The fake brand thing is a deez nuts joke for starters....atleast half the points against zaion by niji is nijis managaments own shit. Admitedly zaion did hit a bit to upstream with japanese style management which is on her but still. Btw zaion is back on her sayu account and selen is on her dokibird if it will make you happier and lessen the blow
Indeed she was, it was also pretty obvious, any amount of research into this topic pointed that statment from Niji sanji was 50% bulshit. Now the talent returned to her old persona as Sayu. Pitty she didnt had enough time in Niji to gather a bigger following
That is some bull....she was really just doing the best she can with a jank up management... Niji really setting them self on fire. Wishing Selen very the best in her next journey.
I have total respect for whatever Dokibird decides to do in the future with her career, but…VShojo already has two former Niji talents, so I wouldn’t be surprised if that door is open for her. If VShojo was willing to brave the drama that followed Pikamee’s graduation and birth Henya, I’d be surprised if they weren’t willing to take Dokibird under their wing.
Tbh (no offence to Pika/Henya she's literally my favourite VTuber) in the grand scheme of things her drama was tame and it didn't cause any lasting damage to any relationships AFAIK. So I wouldn't say VShojo were taking on much risk taking her on when basically everyone with common sense universally agreed that she was innocent.
I think a lot of people hope for Hololive because she's friends with Mumei, but I see this as the more realistic choice, especially since Kuro and Matara keep going on about how much better they like things there.
No offence to Selen, but after Nazuna incident, i think vshojo needs to be extra careful with their acquisition of terminated individuals (not graduated).
Besides Selen’s attempt, this is the other thing that scares me about all this. Because of this revelation of “bullying”, people will absolutely go on witch hunts and start throwing around accusations, and essentially starting wars against livers that could be completely innocent.
I am speechless.. I dont have twitter and miss out on a lot of things, thank you for informing us all- I literally cannot say anything rn, because im so mad. I don't wanna imagine how selen is feeling rn..
To me, it looks like selen actually want to graduate after all the bad things happened to her, but first niji want selen to write statement to make nijiEN management looked good. Selen refused and then they decided to terminate her and try to blame her for everything and destroy her image.
I think Selen's PL tweeted that initially she was supposed to leave Niji on 26th January, however things changed and... this is where she ended up instead
@@aisukururimu7515 as far as I know, you can't suddenly ask for graduation. If Selen asked to leave on 26 December, her graduation would be a few month after 26th December. And if she did planed her graduation on 26th December, she should announce it a least a few weeks before the graduation. She wanted to graduate but niji terminate her instead.
@@aisukururimu7515 So, Niji waited on the termination in order to milk one more month of memberships and goods sales from Selen, but then seeing the backlash of #WhereIsSelen and seeing people demand an answer, they prepared this statement and posted it today. If there was less pushback and outrage, they would have delayed the statement and hoped to drag this out longer to get more pity sales from Dragoons and other people concerned about Selen, which of course Selen would never even see a single penny from.
Confirmed things so far: -Confirmed Stealth Suspensions -Confirmed unalive attempt -Confirmed cover up of un alive attempt. -Bad management (obviously) -Claimed harassment by other Livers (not yet confirmed) - Confirmed that management understands the absolute shit storm about to be sent their way. It turns out that both theories regarding Selen’s absence in December were correct. Personal Speculation: The emergency contact was the Holo owl.
So, Selen was pushed so bad by the company to the point of attempting unalive. There has to be legal repercussions possible for this. This is not something that flies in the west, whether it is America, Canada or EU. I'm pretty sure Selen should be able to ruin them legally through this if she decides to fight for it.
They legally can't really say anything about the suicide attempt, that's medical information which they aren't allowed to reveal unless they have signed permission from Selen. But I'm with you on the other stuff
You know, I always seen selen as the event organizer in nijisanji that drags me back to watch nijisanji as a whole once every time. I just hope there will be someone that can make events as big as the puyo puyo tournament and holo niji custom again. What I'm trying to say is. If nijisanji en as a whole is slice of life anime They've lost, their plot.
Honestly I’m going be honest even though it’s sad but deep down, I felt like this was obvious that this was going to happen but what a terrible response from Nijisanji
@@velveteensallet949and us fans of hers can now confidently leave Nijisanji behind. I plan to at least. Letting g one of your talents get bullied so bad they make a sui attempt, and then fire them for making you look bad? Nah, fuck that noise and fuck Nijisanji
We knew she was gonna leave, we didn't know she was getting bullied from within. Most of Selens troubles couldve just been uncooperative management before this news drop.
@@doesnotcompute6078 Agreed, not outing the suicide attempt was literally the only thing they did right in a sea of wrongs. The other things they did in reaction to the attempt, though... yikes.
@@TotemoGaijin this is exactly what I was thinking about!, it literally implies that they were impersonating her at one point, and yet dare to whine about her "damaging their image"??, y'all bitches were already deep in the mud
We can safely assumed she is terminated and not for the best of reasons. She deserves Justice. Maybe one day once EN opens up again she can join Hololive with her friend Mumei. If not Vshojo, Idol, Phase and many other companies are opened to her. Maybe even a indie with a huge following. Regardless I wish her the best of Luck.
If both decide to not be Indie, then: Selen would be a better fit in VShojo imo Pomu would fit much better into Holo since she actually has Idol aspirations afaik
Nah Mumai said civilization duties which is an euphemism for "collage stuff" but also for me it wouldn't be weird if she would become less active because of this.
Its honestly a blessing now that she's out of that company. Its so bad, they ruined their own reputation, and they put all the blame to their own vtubers.. At least now people can support her in a much better channel/avatar. Dokibird for anyone curious.
I'm genuinely concerned and curious regarding the "other liver part". Like damn some of them even meet IRL can't imagine someone within their own EN circle would do something like this towards one another damn
There is no indication that this statement is true, and it's worded vaguely enough to skirt Japanese defamation laws. It seems to me to be a lame attempt to explain her attempt outside of management own negligence.
In general I feel like all rules regarding not talking about PL accounts are null and void when the vtuber graduates/gets terminated and said account goes from PL(Past Life) to PL(Present Life).
IMO Nijisanji signed their own death warrant with this one. At least for the EN branch, since they have like 100 JP talents. There is no way they can recover from throwing their hardest working, most driven, and drama-free talent under the bus to try to hide their own incompetence. Literally nobody believe their "official statement".
It also makes everyone now doubt any liver's character as they might've been involved in the bullying. Nobody can enjoy their escapism if they constantly have to worry about whether the one they are watching is actually being bullied or doing the bullying.
Kyo was probably part of the bullying considering how deep he was in the Enna clique. He also had been planning to leave for a while as he had a new vtuber model/persona in the works.
I guess we know why Calli stopped following Niji. Guess the leaks were true they like talking crap about others and bullying. Damn i loved Millie and Enna so much this breaks my heart
Not defending them but this could literally be niji’s way of shifting the blame - don’t blame our management, blame the livers it’s their fault - is what it felt like. They blamed selen through the whole doc. That being said, we don’t know who it was if bullying did occur, which I know people will go on a witch hunt and attack everyone. Hopefully Doki could talk more about it in her comeback stream
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"Damaged the company's reputation"
Nuh-uh you did this to yourself niji.
And now they are Wactor tier, the final yab of NijiEN is here.
they don't care about anyone except themselves.
Company's reputations are important, sure, but it should never come at the expense of your employees.
this make me laugh so hard
The statement confirming to everyone that the company and some livers have been harassing Selen, 10/10 speedrun to the grave
@@hoppy8008But big W will be coming for Vspo/Vshojo/Phase/Hololive so many options!
Anyone else noticed that they OFFICIALLY confirmed they do stealth suspensions?
Shit didn't notice that, that's going to shoot themselves in the foot
well yeah... we know they officially do that way before
Well at this point I highly suspect we will now br having a guaranteed graduation every month now. With Kyo's coming up soon we can only wonder who's is coming next.
@@akira8393 before, we had speculations. Then, we had Zaion's testimony.
Am official statement has a whole other tier of legitimacy.
They already did that with Zaion, they said she had been suspended before her one month suspension but she said she was “taking a break” at the time
Selen: Repeatedly talk about her project beforehand, Pay for everything herself, make it with Her team themselves, be practically indie, being the only one being transparent to the fans.
Niji : Selen blamed us for mismanagement while we are fair with Selen
Its also financial abuse, they wait till the last second to pull a "red tape" move on her after she got in debt for the project. Its how they control talent, force them to spend money to promote themselves keeping them in a cycle of debt.
God, it's even more frustrating when you put it like that.
@@boxhead6177 oh, now I suspect Niji were trying to kept her indebted so she wont quit, but the resulting incident forces them to terminate her, and blame her for it. Wow
@@boxhead6177 Considering the creators that have come out saying that Nijisanji keeps flubbing paperwork being sent to them and how they weren't paid until Selen did so out of her own pocket, this seems to have been going on for a while and not just with this particular project.
I mean yeah, if the rules say her and her team have to go by mangement first and she does not regardless of what she says or does publicly it is in fact her fault.
Oh god, there goes Niji's final straw in English fandom.
They literally buried themselves by making that whole statement, they could have said that shes terminated because of violations of contract and leave it at that, but instead basically confirmed that the company and some of the livers have been harassing her
Big brain move for sure
Millie can't save them anymore...
@@Zexx4 I'm willing to bet Millie was one of the livers bullying Selen.
Don't worry, they still have Millie and Finana.
..
🙃
why?
@@TheFuriousMulatto
Kurosanji: You turned them against me!
Selen: You did that yourself!
“You won’t take the talent from me!”
“Your anger and lust for power have already done that. You have allowed this twisted masquerade to cloud your judgement until now you have become the very thing that you were meant to offer your audience an escape from.”
@@Dinoslay Dragoons: We will make her super strong! We will make her trending! And there is nothing you can do about it!
@@Dinoslay"If you're not with me, then you're against me"
Selen: "If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!"
Why was it Kurosanji and not Niji?
Reminder: Every single person involved with the last cup of coffee video except niji management said permission rights were 100% squared away months before the video went live.
I bet my ass they were meandering and putting her off while she was getting actual perms trying to get the video out for christmas and she just posted it instead of waiting for them to get off their ass.
When you work for a company, anything you make during the regular work hours, is owned by the company
@@Forakus let me guess, you are American and think that's how things work worldwide
@@Forakus Not true. The copyright for Last Cup of Coffee is owned by songwriter LilyPichu. All of the art work was owned by the individual artists. That specific recording might be owned by AnyColor but it may be owned by the talent behind Selen Tatsuki, I'm unclear on that point. for all I know the recording is still owned by LilyPichu.
As for employment all talents of Nijisanji are subcontractors and they pay for the covers themselves. The same goes with all the other VTuber agencies, this is why I am unclear on ownership of the recording, and depending on the country this could change based on the copyright law. Selen is Canadian so Canadian law would apply, not Japanese
@@EndoftheBeginning17
I think you can see this as a case similar to artists and labels. Where the artist owns the right to sing the song and such, but the label owns the specific recording.
In this case, Any color probably owns the recording, but the artist owns the right to copy and distribute their contributions. As per copyright law, unless they signed that off in a contract.
When Zaion happened, I kept my scepticism and didn't want to do a witch hunt. Then Yugo, Nina, Mysta, Mika, most of NijiID (which was blended into EN), Pomu, Kyo, now with Selen I believe there is a serious leadership problem within NijisanjiEN. Especially since the graduates all said the same effin thing
People don’t quit jobs, they quit managers
Ive never understood what actually happened with Zaion?
@@battseiishe said some things abt liking little boys
@@mryyhjo4875 What on earth 😭😭 does she actually tho
@battseii I think more importantly she made a joke about r ape on stream which she still has never apologized for
Anycolor/Niji: “YOU TURNED THE FANS AGAINST ME!!!!”
Selen: You have done that yourself!
Selen : I don't have to try, you're doing great without me 🤣
Now that is a Anime line that is so powerful that I want her to say that in court!
@@lizlizbianrosethornswordHonestly she should sue for all the damages Nijisanji has caused
@@lizlizbianrosethornswordit's a prequel meme lol
niji fans: but it's okay, we will still support your other vtubers
Zaion was right all along, they got treated like crap from within...
I confess that as often happens in these situations, I had no idea who could be telling the truth at the beginning.....but now there are no more doubts: It was Zaion who was telling the truth and therefore, she deserves an apology from of all those who doubted or don't believe her. I'm not worried about Selen's future, because she will certainly find a new home ready to welcome her in a rather short time, also given her connections (both Hololive and VShojo are more than possible options, provided that she hasn't decided to go back to indie) and the the most important thing is that she is finally free from Nijisanji. It's amazing how in almost all cases, people are sad or depressed by a VTuber's graduation/termination, but how instead hearing about someone leaving Niji, makes you breathe a sigh of relief. And as I've said at all their other recent graduations, i hope MANY others (at least the entire NijiEN branch) decide to graduate from there, because they deserve better.
Always was meme
The problem with zaion is her menhera actions that made it impossible to believe her statements.
The fact she loves kids and almost acts like an adult r18 streamer is just concerning in every way even now.
I doubt she has redeemed her self to become a better person as she still is mentally ill.
Poor Zaion, fortunately she is recovering now as Sayu
@@zadkal8873 I have to ask, why are Niji livers like Finana speak against her if that's the case?
"Violate the trust in Nijisanji EN" Sureee....
Edit: Let's support her in her new channel, dokibird.
My ass.
Nijisanji violated our trust in them completely. People probably will suck the company's behind but we are not fools.
@@lizlizbianrosethornsword Like hey the collabs going on right now I won't deny are fun which make me want them the EN livers to have the best of the best. I sincerely hope the remaining EN livers will get a new better company job or a strong fan base so they can continue their activities.
@holypokemondefender3368 Absolutely! Like Elira, Doppio, Fulgur and Scarla! Those 4 are super talented and funny! Their Monster Camp collabs are always awesome!
The trust in a CCP money backed company by a 26 year old harasser...
Btw I notice one thing. I think Anycolor didnt do termination immediately because they are selling Selen's voice pack. Only after selling them they do termination. Squeezing the last money they could get
NIJITRASH
That’s why no one buy it
@@daner8878 Very true. I had a suspicion and the suspicion is all confirmed. It seems like not just the management that were trash, but there were other livers within who harassed her. My respect that is already almost non existent is gone from Niji. I had only watched Pomu a bit in Niji since she had collabs with Kiwawa. But after her gone I dont care much about Niji. I only followed Selen's Issue but dang she got terminated tkk
@@UnbiddenYard599 Really? I thought some would buy though. But it is true. The way Niji acts is very scummy. Why did they had ti harass her though. Didnt they realize after all the yabs that they should listen to their livers more at least. They already had a case of Zaion and if they harrassed the talents they didnt even think a second Zaion will appear is ridiclous
@@UnbiddenYard599 Why would you anyway? The livers barely get anything out of the whole merch stuff. After that came out I think their merch sales dropped significantly and rightly so.
"We not only tried to communicate with Selen, but her emergency contacts as well." What a weird say to say "while you are in the hospital for a self harm attempt, please post that you did something wrong and cover for us, and when you dont answer in a timely fashion we will then spam your parents as well"
The real Lethal Company
A lethal black company
Even lethal company more honest of how scummy theyr
While niji is pretend ing do be the victim while theyre the evil one
She was a great asset
There goes yatch number 54
She didn't make the quota...
"we investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing" YEAH RIGHT!!!
"We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong"
@@Tharja-iBW They tried to pull the "warukunai yo ne" move but it didn't work
just like activision blizzard when the SH allegation happened
uh huh
If Obama can do it, we can too..
Guys. If you like Selen Tatsuki, I recommend you check out the indie Vtuber Dokibird. She is having her first stream in a few years in just 2 days from now. I highly recommend. She has a similar sense of humor, similar voice, similar dog, and had been silenced by a shit eating company she worked for the past month so she couldn't legally say anything, but she is starting to stream again in just 2 days!
i wana see a tomato instead *wink
similar dog...... yeah im hooked
@@cats404 Dokidoge is indeed a king. Plus, Doki shows pictures of her dog, something Selen never did.
you're a godsend lol
@@TheDrexxus mhm
Basically the permissions for the song went as follows:
Artist who made the darn thing: I consent
Selen: I consent
Kurosanji: I don't
Edit:spelling, I was too pissed off to care for it when I typed it
Edit 2: many of the people involved with selen's mv have all said they had given permission to selen months back, it has become abundantly clear that the "permissions" that were needed were not from "third parties" (relevant parties) but from nijisanji themselves
Nijisanji didn't like something, whether it was how selen got the permissions or if they didn't like the use of graduated livers, it was nijisanji themselves who were against the release of the video
what a bunch of mfs, they don't even have the decency to say they were the ones messing with the mv's release schedule, that's probably why selen released it because she had the permission from literally everyone except nijisanji themselves, when nijisanji first said yes but suddenly said no coz "f*ck you, that's why"
So freaking vile to let her complete the mv (that she fully paid from her own pocket) only to say no and mess up her schedule, she was planing to purposely burn her investment but they had to get in her way again and not even give her the satisfaction of leaving her mv up for her fans to watch
You'd think management would be keeping an eye on her so nothing unexpected shows up in her projects, but they blindly gave her permission and got surprised when something unexpected showed up
Mismanagement at nijisanji is so bad, the head doesn't know what the tail is doing and then they bitch when the unsupervised liver fucks up, it's management job to guide her and tell her what she's allowed and not allowed to do but it seems they expect the liver to know stupid rules not even management themselves seem to remember until it becomes a problem
Its more like i concent 1 month ago but i don't now just so i have a reason to fire you
Nijisanji: Isn't there someone you forgot to ask?
I could understand that a Japanese company like Nijisanji wants to go through due process, but they made such a big stink out of --some miscommunication-- their own refusal to communicate... and flat-out lying... and ignoring bullying between co-workers? What?
*consent
who’s kurosanji?
If that was what happened then I would have understood it since it's the problem you will face if you are a corpo, the company you are under has final say.
The problem is Nijisanji initially said yes then suddenly switched up and said no for apparently no reason.
DID ANYONE ELSE NOTICE
Dokibird: "bullying from within"
Nijisanji EN: "claims of harassment from other livers"
Did Niji EN just out the other Livers as bullies THEMSELVES when Selen/Doki only vaguely alluded to it?!?!
That or as what cowards would do
Shift the blame
It’s more like they’re reporting what selen was claiming to be going through while not acknowledging it and trying to deflect from that point to her responsibilities, which is a very weak argument
Yeah, they basically confirms it happens but not recognize it as such. Like if you are getting bullied on school and the teacher just told you "they are just playing with you".
Either they trying to save the rep of their staff by putting their other liver under the bus. Or they are that braindead
I may be wrong but someone has said that in the JP version, it says that the other livers tried to give advice while in EN, it legit just says that the other livers bullied her
You know, I had a feeling this was going to happen.
When Nina suddenly announced she was graduating, I knew the end was approaching.
Mysta then suddenly graduated...
then Mika...
then Pomu..
now Selen's been terminated..
and Kyo recently announced his graduation.
Probably missed a few names, but you get the idea.
In the span of less than a year. 6 names are gone or will be going due to various reasons.
I can only imagine how many more people will graduate before 2024 is up.
Also Niji-Sanji cant blame Selen for their reputation being ruined when it was already in the toilet.
Someone said this is ID situation all over again.. I disagreed but.. hm.. maybe it is.
If it’s the NijiID merge again but with EN, I’m not gonna be a normal person after this
You can actually include Zaion into the mix as well, her termination was around 10-11 months ago, so they’ve actually lost 7 (I know there were way more graduations but it’s a long list) names just under a year
@@samkelly5045 I totally forgot about Zaion as well.
On top of that, look at where Nina and Mysta are now...
VShoujo.
And based on the streams they done so far, they seem a lot happier there.
It wouldn't surprise me if we see Pomu, Selen and Kyo wind up there eventualy.
Don't forget about Yugo
Selen : "I'm getting bullied! Pls help, M-chan!"
M-chan : "Lol, no you're not"
Is it? I think M was the bully in this scenario.
She almost 0f herself because nobody would listen to her. And this is what they did. Terminated her. 0 accountability.
@@Phoenix0917forGod M huh, is that short for Millie? 😲
@@Verxx-sc2tlI would rather guess it stands for management
@@Verxx-sc2tl of course it's dor management/manager
Bullied so much she tried killing herself and then terminated??!
Yeah fuck you Niji. I hope she gets a new job from another company that will treat her much better.
Glad to hears she's doing okay. Stay strong DOKIBIRD!! ✊️
We're all supporting you in this bs!
It’s all starting to make sense why Pomu jumped ship now. Same with Nina. Especially Pomu, as Selen’s hospital visit was before she announced graduation
You know how bullshit it is when Nijisanji make a statement about her termination. I don’t even believe a single word from those bullies.
@@Jonathanloh1992 I made the same statement in another comment here, but Nijisanji is currently the VTubing equivalent of Activision Blizzard.
@@thinkingsoutherner9911Makes me wonder if Pomu knew about Selen's attempt and immediately sped up her planned departure when she realized Niji was going to sweep that under the rug and play possum...
normally I'd joke about her joining VSJ since it's pretty much their M.O.
But screw that, she now deserves a gold ticket to join Hololive after all she's been through frfr
2:44 As someone who's worked in a terrible company before, I just want to say company violations/warnings are meaningless. Basically he said, she said stuff.
It's was my company's policy to trash or dismantle any defective product you discover. I was written up for repeated violations of "wanton destruction of company property." I wasn't aware I was doing anything wrong until they pulled aside one day. They acted as if I was warned multiple times (I had not). When I asked for clarification on company policy, I was written up again for "unprofessional behavior" and "insubordination."
Much later, I found out the regional manager had a personal vendetta against me because I was attending a university that he was rejected from.
Lmao that last bit is too much
@@Meonium The kicker is that I barely knew him. He only spent 5 minutes on me during the job interview. His personal friend was the general manager and his nephew my supervisor. If not for them, I'd have no idea why I was mistreated.
How petty. Wtf.
It is what it is. And there's a reason a saying : "Truth sometimes stranger than myth" exist. Petty and envious people like aren't that uncommon, if you not yet met such people then youre quite lucky.
Shit like this is why I am terrified of entering the workforce.
There's just no way to beat this crap, and barely anyway to survive it all!
“What a year huh”
“It’s only February”
Maybe Selen's not my oshi anymore, DOKIBIRD is my oshi now
that her personal account
B@@flamingrubys11 "That's the joke"
@@flamingrubys11that is her old pre niji persona
Then in the future Holo Birb, Vshojo whatever her new form is or whichever path she chooses she will be a big success!
never deny who she once was, and acknowledge who she is now.
This Termination did more irrepaireble damage to anycolor then the music Video could have ever done.
I agree, if she was allowed to join 1-2 week(s) later or graduate (possibly releasing and leaving the content up forever) then people would forget about it.
@@iDeLaYeD_o Sorry but no shot is she going to "join 1-2 weeks later". They've spat on her in every turn so far.
@@h3rpad3rpacifilis Niji has in the past spat on it's talents who still work for them.
“You can get it in any color, as long as it is black.”
-Henry Ford
Mother of coincidence!
LOL
Doesn't help that Ford's written thoughts were the inspiration for h1tler and his inner circle 💀
Hey, don't compare Ford to niji, he actually wanted to pay his workers well.
@@pedrofelipefreitas2666>Ford want to pay their workers well
>Resisted unionization till 1941
Bro that ain't a termination notice, that's a slander letter!
Isnt slander very illegal in japan. Even if it is true what they say
@@demonic6266 Slander in Japan dont care if its true or not, only if its said with malice in mind and if any damages has happened
@@KingSnickSnackwell in short it's not slander. It's just basically stating what Selen has done be it vague or detailed. The letter in no way damages Selen's personal and working reputation.
@@35PHaaton it does in the eyes of other companies. They are painting her in as bad a light as they can. The viewers don't believe them, but this is a PR move to character assassinate her, this is for all intents and purposes slander
@@KingSnickSnack yes youre rights. Sorry i didnt say it correctly
I was always suspicious of the timing of her hospitalization, but dear god it was so much worse than I could've ever imagined...
i actually give niji credit to that, i never thought they would do it but they actually did it
especially when the cause of her hospitalization is niji. ☠
They had the GALL to blame and ignore Selen getting bullied “you’re getting bullied? Anyway…” fckn disgusting company
Idk if you saw it, but apparently the EN statement has a lot of differences in wording compared to the JP one. Supposedly, the JP statement says that other livers were trying to give her advice, while the EN statement says that she was being bullied by affiliated livers. Kinda makes me feel like their trying to throw blame towards the talents, because that sounds like a crazy mistranslation
Wtf...
@@local_soul Nah. The cliquey culture of niji is toxic for sure.
You see it with how Millie constantly tries to cover for management in a very clumsy way that makes everything look worse.
Remember Zaion exposed them a while ago. This is what happens when a company is managed by a certain mindset focused on authority.
Gives me teacher who tells student to just not be bullied anymore vibes
The Niji vs Wactor match to the worst company sure is intense
The black company competition anycolor is pulling up made wactor revive once more 💀
Let's see how wactor are gonna respond to this😂
@@manusiabumi7673 Wactor: "I didn't hear no bell."
Unless Niji starts doxing irl identities and home addresses, it's not even a competition 💀
@@boiomo_ the one who left it all behind is coming back to show niji who is the real monster
The fact so many Niji EN livers are leaving shows that the issue is in the company, principally since plenty of them repeat the same thing regarding the reasons they are leaving: "I did everything I could here" or "Not many opportunities here" etc. And not only that, they also indirectly address issues regarding management, to the point Kuro and Matara got surprised in how good is Vshoujo's treatment about their members.
Just look at how they are now in Vshoujo. Both so comfortable, excited and lively
VShojo has done more harm to Niji's reputation then anyone else by doing the bare minimum anyone expects them to do.
@@iDeLaYeD_o lmao true. like imagine hurting your reputation so bad that other bare minimum sounds better
when the phrase "give us a call if you need something and we will talk about it" from a new manager is enough to make a talent tear up shows how much is wrong in nijisanji nowdays.
and to think they used to be as good if not better than hololive back in 2020 when it came to the amount of effort they put into their talents.
All dragoons go check dokibird please
Already 116k followers on Twitter now fellow her on Twitch.
Go support her, guys!
Links?
@@LuisEdGm literally "dokibird"
Already subscribed, brother
After all that Selen did for Niji, this is how it ends. I genuinely hope NijiEN restructures because holy f**king s**t this is a massive s**tstorm.
First it's assuming Niji en actually have their own management and not just managed by Japanese corpo that can actually speak little english
Honestly, nah.
If you push one of your employees towards offing themselves you don't deserve to restructure.
yeah man, they need a whole new management
@@m54269Wrong. They need a new rebranding into something. Make Nijisanji into something else. Then sell the company to Yagoo, Gun Run, Sakuna or anyone else goat. Maybe even Merry.
I'd rather no longer have Niji. Every talent still working for them is just gimping themselves
Depressed Nousagi? more like furious Nousagi - and rightfully so.
“Our immediate response was to make the music video private”, then they claim Selen made a misleading statement by posting “management has privated the song”.
If you break the rules, you break the rules and should be punished. But it sounds like Selen was going through steps and Niji was dropping the ball on their side.
It kinda is a misleading statement if she doesn't say why management privated the song.
she did, and the cover was in work for ages, it seems that thu only checked it at the last minute and went "nuh uh, you are missing perms”
@@UltraZulwarn I think this one is the manager's fault.
I doubt that the talents themselves are the ones handling the perms.
@@GeneralSecurai mean…
the only reason they could have make that is because the perms or copyright, because the song wasnt even “charged with f-words”
@@Genburthing But even there: The copyright was cleared. Even in Japan it's upon the artist, when the artist is not in the JASRAC, to give the go for the cover.
They threw her under the bus, while currently selling her merch. New definition of black company unlocked.
Wait...
They still selling her merch ?
@@anshorikhoiril3387 yes, the only reason they now/not any time sooner was because they are trying to squeeze any last bit of profit out of her.
@@anshorikhoiril3387I don’t know if it still on-going but they decided to re-sell her voice pack for whatever last minute cash grab they could get.
They also threw their other livers under the bus by mentioning livers bullying her, since there was no mention of livers in Dokibird's tweets. So thanks to Niji, there's now a shadow over all the other livers with audiences wondering if their oshi is secretly a bully.
@@anshorikhoiril3387 Yeah there was merch that was made at the end of 2023 that still needed to be sold. I seriously doubt any of her fans are going to purchase any of it after hearing this statement by them.
Graduated NijiEN livers : "Free at last, free at last! Thank god almighty! WE ARE FREE AT LAST!"
MASTER HAS GIVEN DOBBY CLOTHES.
Soon-to-be Nijisanji livers who just signed the contract: 💀
@@Meoniumpretty sure EN side won't have interest towards Niji anymore (unless they're ignorant), but JP side tho....oh boy....they would still flock in to Niji thx to their corpo slave mentality.
Yeah kurosanji JP fans are build different but at least the investors are losing their confidence in Kurosanji with the proof of stock drops and Kurosanji buying their own stocks to reduce the drop
*"We sincerely appreciate your ongoing support of Nijisanji and NijiEN"* No, we support the talents. Not you
Can't believe they terminated Selen... At least she's free now. Hopefully YAGOO or other better companies will recruit her
Yeah there's this cool gamer called "Dokibird", you guys should check her!
Won’t be surprised if Vshojo announces Dokibird joining them in a month or two.
@@markconstance186honestly I’m willing to take it at this point anyone is better nijisanji at this point
The "harrassment by other livers" part kinda damages the trust in those talents as well though.
I wouldn't be surprised if the woman has had enough of corpo Vtubing for a while (or forever).
For now, let's just enjoy what she has planned.
@@akumuryuu
What worse is that Selen didn’t claim it was Livers. Only NijiEN did. Is NijiEN trying to shift blame to save themselves here?
There's such a huge difference of tone and feel between Mel's termination from Holo and Selen's from Niji it's crazy.
Sadness but cordiality on one side, anger and conflict on the other.
Even Rushias termination that was somewhat worse was super respectful on the CoverCorp side, meanwhile Niji going "heres a full statement on each small thing the liver did wrong and why we hate them"
Kuroniji will throw talents under the bus to protect their reputation and will try to frame any termination in the worst way possible for the talent. They so stupid that they still haven't figured out that doing exactly that is destroying their reputation even more.
Management is as bad at PR as they are at managing the talents, honestly, they need to all get fired, it's pretty clear they are incompetent.
You can find more positivity in Mel’s termination than in the recent 3 niji graduations/ terminations combined
Mel's Graduation is more acceptable because Mel herself admit her fault, while Hololive have the solid reason to keep their integrity with their own rules.
Hell, even Rushia's graduation despite how the controversy MKNK is it's still vetter compared than this Selen's termination thing.
It definitely feels like the Niji EN termination announcement letters are basically trying to poison the well as much as possible and make their actions seem justified.
Guys Dokibird scheduled a stream, go to the prechat and send love
SHE JUST HIT 300K HOLY SHIT
you guys can go, I'm not on board with this
@@akira8393 And why, if I may ask?
@@akira8393and you feel like it is necessary to comment that? You’re not the main character here, stop acting like one.
I may not be the biggest fan but I atleast see the bullshit of Niji
Pog She gets to keep a play button
@@lordironhidexthis guy always talks with such narcissism so do not bother
There are better people than this anyway
"Why am I not surprised?" - John Stewart/Green Lantern (Justice League Animated)
Like Selen we as her fans we will see she gets justice! Yagoo or Gun Run we leave this up to you! Iron Mouse a fellow Vtuber need you help this dragon out!
I remember it was Lex btw
@@hafirenggayuda Same. But it was John Stewart/Green Lantern who said it in Justice League Animated Season One, though. Lex Luthor said it in Justice League: Unlimited.
@@josueveguilla9069 I remember Lex said it when he turned into hairless gorilla (I lol too long at that scene), when do John said it btw?
Edit: also, JUDAS PRIEST. Man, JL animated have lots of nice quotes
@hafirenggayuda I believe it was in that scene where he and hawkgirl were at an abandoned library? Some alternate universe where they were looking for clues and found a door to a room that was blocked off with a brick wall. Lmaooooo is that right?
This surely has a really big damage to Niji EN… and maybe the final blow for them to collapse.
And this time they brought it to themselves
I don't think nijisanji en come back from this it's officially over for them in the en market vox staying there is delaying the inevitable.
As if their reputation was good to begin with. After Yugo's termination it was just downhill from there.
Niji stopped caring. They even acknowledged that Selen GOT BULLIED AND HARASSED
In their own damned letter
what reputation?
Just glad she is alive.
Selen Tatsuki is Love, Selen Tatsuki is Life.
I am so glad you didn't pull off the Futa right now.
It's all Dragoons now...
We lost the dragon of NijiEN. This is bad
you mean DOKIBIRD ?
@@Jonathanloh1992you can have dokibird instead. I assure you it will be worth it
Niji has one option; go all in on their boys, and pray that they can carve a parasocial niche with them so deep that all the yabs in the universe won't break it. I don't see them having a normal future after this one. They literally said "we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong," and there is not a single person believing that.
Godspeed, Dokibird.
No one watches the boys anymore either. NijiEN is done
@@Jasmineneeks just because no one watches, doesn't mean they don't bring in the money. Something I learned from the "traitors"(ex niji boy fans) that hopped to tempus when they debuted was that many of the sisters only really view them kind of like OC's/gacha pngs(like enstars characters). Something to still pour money on, but not really interested in watching(or see as real people underneath the avatar)
@@ericp631 are you okay??? 😂 "traitors" do you need therapy
@@1a141036 it's what niji sisters regarded them as. The hardcore nijisanji fans get really into the whole rivalry thing.
@@1a141036 the male vtubing scene is WILD man.
Since Zaion gets the colony drop, I'd say that Selen has the ODSTs now. Let's drop, Helljumpers!
sieg zaion
*SIEG ZAION!*
Dang DN is even faster then Khyo and False. I thought you will make a sudden stream like Mel termination and Pomu graduation. But this thing shocked me. They terminate her earlier then I thought
This one wasn't a surprise, it was just a question on when and how.
And the "how" turned out to be "in the worst way imaginable".
Khyo and False do more detailed news reports.
With people reactions and stuffs.
Although Kurosanji probably shut their livers' mouths about this.
That and it's probably pretty early for them
@@pixymisa8087 Well I know this is inevitable. But I thought they will do like 12 weeks of shadow ban or something similiar. I thought at least they will make her graduate or terminate after Kyo at least. Does anybody expect this news to happen before Kyo's graduation?
Im surprise that those two doesnt post yet, I applaud nousagi
Tbh when Mysta graduated I was sad that he left but now I kinda feel happy when someone graduates or gets terminated from Nijisanji
He is kuro now, in vshojo.
I was never sad when Nina and Mysta left because at least Mysta was vocal about how he felt about the cuts and Mika said at one point that he joined very happy and willing to do anything for content but within a few months he was depressed (I assume too many things were denied and he gave up).
what was the point of niji bringing up ANY of the harassment accusations in a termination notice?? "look guys! she said one of your oshis is mean! get her!"
it's absolutely sad that this happened to selen. they drove her to the point of TRYING TO TAKE HER OWN LIFE. nijisanji can't come back from this. anyways, support dokibird!! i heard she's coming back from graduation and she has such a similar vibe to selen (wink wink nudge nudge)!
@@daandriodsee her "other life" tweets, she pretty much spelled it out clearly
@@johnwalker5047 She got hospitalized not because of an accident, but by attempted s*icide.
@@johnwalker5047 attempting to off herself, that's why she was in the hospital
Fucking scum corporate that lie Selen stop activity because hospital
Then terminated her after long time stealth suspend her to destroy her viewer
@@johnwalker5047Selen suffer bullying from inside of the company and was surrounded by a toxic environment so she attempted her own life in December, she said on her Twitter account Dokibird that she was doing better and that she wouldn't let Niji silence her side of the story
Come Dragoons, we must become Bark Knights now
as a dragoon, there is no need for that. we are goners now.
Even if we strip away all the surrounding blame shifting, (currently) unconfirmable details and talk about image (why is any of that even in here?) and just go by the few hard facts they bring up, that already paints a grim picture:
How come you first learn of a whole _music production_ by one of the talents under contract with you only TWO DAYS before release? Why would one of the biggest names in your company not rely on your extensive company assets - even if only for administrative tasks? That goes beyond some "rogue" talent disregarding red tape and cutting corners. Quite the opposite, as it meant massively more work for her. At best that implies a gross communication issue - and at worst it's corporate abuse (reaping the rewards while doing none of the work) or massive trust issues fostered within your company.
It reminds me of how Matara Kan was _genuinely_ surprised and actively gushing over how her new manager just _did their regular job as a talent manager_ and offered help with the projects she planned... The implications of that are shocking.
I admittedly know very little of Nijisanji, and I try my best to stay unbiased in these topics, even if things appear clean cut (hype culture and horde mentality can quickly turn against the wrong party). But even with all the effort I can muster, it's looking bad for them...
As a long time Pomu fan, the signs were there last year, and even longer ago. There were a lot of times when she talked about not getting enough support, and doing basically everything herself. It's clear that she was frustrated by the lack of support, since she had received decent support in her previous office job, even if she disliked office work and wanted to entertain people. So yeah, people who never had half decent management are going to be greatly surprised once they finally leave. It's tragic, because some of the Niji livers never had a real job before this, so they can't recognize how toxic Niji really is.
@@alexlowe2054 What's most surprising is that they managed to gaslight even Matara into taking that treatment as granted. She may not have been nearly as big before as when she signed with Niji, sure - but she's still a veteran of the industry.
Goddang son, I will miss the purple woman
With some luck we may see her again in a new form
@@andreamarques8328dokibird, twitch and twitter
@@andreamarques8328 As a bird.
Go follow Dokibird
Dokibird. go check her out now
I think that at least the En branch is done for. Any new waves are going to struggle to even break 100k subs, and we are going to see a slow exodus of people supporting them, with not many new people supporting them.
It's going to take time, but I expect to see the En livers dropping out one by one.
I agree about the branch, the last wave, as far as i know, still doesnt have a wave name and was stealth dropped so quick i barely knew they debuted even though they are funny.
The flood gates are going to open with Pomu, Kyo and now Selen leaving within a month.
@@ShadowNerd92the most recent wave does have a name but it’s kinda dumb
@@sloth1943 the TTT is offical?
@@ShadowNerd92 yeah it is
Now I'm hoping that Dokibird/Selen comes out with a document like Zaion did
nah fam, she gonna go hog wild on stream
"It is a poor Shepperd that blames his flock."
@_zapatoz_ ...no ....NO!!
*fires plasma pistol wildly*
An African proverb did say
A child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel it's warmth
I have no clue why Anycolor would mention Selen claiming she was being harassed internally by other Niji members. That for sure is going to start a witch hunt.
that's a bait, Selen is gonna get sued if she can't prove there's a bully or bullying
Treat my next words as a joke:
They really want to cause chaos in EN branch and cause some more to leave.
That by far was the strangest part of Niji’s statement. I don't think Selen has even hinted that her fellow livers were harassing her so for Niji to call themselves out is weird.
Putting that in was an unmitigated PR disaster. Why would you implicate your livers if Selen/Dokibird hasn't said anything yet? If anything this forces the issue and the first thing people are going to ask is who harassed her.
@@Haunt888actually doubt just cause Selen isnt in Japan, if she was then yes it would be an easy lawsuit for Anycolor, in a decent amount of western countries the fact that she was hospitalized due to possibly harming herself would make a lawsuit literally impossible unless they prove she was mentally unstable due to reasons not related to the company I think
I was going to say that her mental might be shambles rn but since everything that happened this seems like breaking the shackles and finally going forward in life. Hope the dragoons and dokibird can adjust quickly
yeah if selen senpuku herself. like damn niji would actually won
The more I think about it, I don't believe she is doing mentally well. You don't just go from an attempt to perfectly fine in a month but I'm sure with her friend and now the response from the community, it helps
You can tell this really hit hard with DN considering the video he made on how Selen is universally liked…
She honestly deserve much better. I wish her the best in her future endeavors o7
The silver lining is that she's no longer under such terrible management. Just plain wrong what they did to her in return for all her hard work.
Universally liked except from her company itself
Selen is on her old youtube account dokibird and is streaming in 2 days.
@@jjanimeweeb5473 yep which I'm glad for because I only recently became aware of Selen and liked the clips I'd seen.
Yagoo: "Take my hand Selen, its time to come home now."
Hmm... I think Selen fits VShojo better while Pomu fits Hololive better...
@@kungkungz1321I won't complain if she becomes EN 4 if she decides the Hololive route in a few years time. Mumei would love her around and even Bae will have another rival :) if not Vshojo her buddies will be waiting ^^
VSPO EN lets go!
thats what I'm hoping, she would be a great fit imo
VSPO and Selen will be a good match . 😊😊
Management don't want to help talents with any of their projects, but they do want absolute control over them.
I am in a deep state of anger right now, and I can't stop feeling to blame:
1. Those who "bullied" people inside Niji
2. Niji(EN) management
3. Those who bootlicking Tazumi's ass so hard
Now I know who are those lackeys of Riku Tazumi who tolerating the harassment towards other talents.
One thing that I always hated Niji for, was making it so hard over years and literally taking control of the things Selen made or arranged. I will NEVER forget how they took her WWE collab and FORCED an ad for Niji3D concert for NijiEN. This included the first 5 waves of NijiEn including Luxiem and Noctyx. All the Livers worked themselves to the bone for this concert and not long after announcement, Cancelled it. Two years later and nothing else has come of it. Pomu essentially had to GRADUATE just to get Home3D. That was the first nail for me, how they dangled so much in front of these workers then restricted and forced back to back and made them act.
The livers are some of the best entertaining streamers I've seen, and I'm glad I've had the opportunity to find many. But now dragging someone THROUGH the mud in this way that has supported them for years is disgusting. I'm glad i can still support Zaion after that mess, Nina as my first Niji Oshi, Mysta as a kind soul, and now can still do the same for Selen.
I remember when Nina left and came to Vshojo she said management was never helpful and always made her stressed out. There is a clip of her saying this. Seemed like a lot of people glossed over that, but that raised major red flags to me.
Mamatara expressed how surprised she was when she offhandedly said an idea, she was surprised over the prospect that staff was *interested* to what she had to say and was even more surprised that they immediately followed up that they could get her a team to do it. Like. What the fuck.
@@yukis.763 Kinda like what you would expect joining an agency that centers around entertainment. Selen spent 200k of her own money last year and took home nothing in profits. With what information Selen has given us and how they have treated her like a doormat I cannot possibly even fathom that anyone would be crazy enough to join this agency. Some talents are still going to stick around for a few years weirdly enough despite this, that is their choice (miss me with that) but I don't see anyone getting in line to join up with Nijisanji.
Nothing will stop Tazumi from getting his second yacht.
I assume it’s docked next to a timeshare resting by the lake of fire
if i was him i would stop being so arrogant. There is only so much damage one can sustain before it breaks
I saw a comment talking about enna saying "this is the girl that is in the yatch of the best CEO in the east LMAOOOO"
Why stop at 2? Tazumi needs atleast a whole shi yard full of yachts! Work harder corporate slave...quick throw out 2 new gens!
Tazumi will stop Tazumi from getting his second yacht at this point
this is just me but nijisanji pretty much firing people on few words like on kyo "i didnt plan to graduate after pomu"
AnyColor & they choose VantaBlack!
also i love that the whole "Damaged the company's reputation" is them trying to escape the blame for #WhereIsSelen hashtag, which was THEIR FAULT for the whole Stealth Suspending nonsense
How a company can destroy their reputation this badly is astonishing. It's incredible...in all the wrong ways.
I hope that Selen takes some time to recover from all this BS.
damn, about the bullying.. Pretty sure Zion on her alt talking in 3rd person mentioned Bullying or "people who i thought were my friends" seems like this is a long standing problem in NijiEN
Niji is supporting and funding talents based on "meritocracy" so licking company/management ass will earn them bigger projects.
The company cultivated this environment, so whoever does not want to lick boots of management, will be forced to.
Who was it that was defending the company lately ? ...
Bullying is a known issue even in JP side. Luna was bullied in Niji before she joined hololive, Delu talked about her exniji friend about how bad the environment and she got bullied/harassed into selfharm by their fans. That's just the known case, who knows how much are the unknown case we are never told about.
@@Aru_im Himemori Luna?
@@IllJoyyes, Luna Hime soul used to be part of Niji
@@IllJoy Yep
This explains a lot and confirms my worst fears. Their actions caused her to commit self harm. It also can explain certain graduations occuring. And no im trying to imply that they were the bullies, but if i were there and heard about this i would graduate too.
i thought she had an accident, so in a way selen the character really did kill herself only to then rebirth as a bird. beautiful poetry
So Zaion was indeed backstabbed.
Always had been. So glad I took her side immediately when I saw how disgusting that termination notice was. I'm sure there are livers that had nothing to do with what happened to either of them, but this time, knowing how far it went and for how long, I'm blocking any liver that will throw even a single word out of line or the slightest shade regarding her.
yes, did you look up her side or the streams they mentioned in the termination? The fake brand thing is a deez nuts joke for starters....atleast half the points against zaion by niji is nijis managaments own shit. Admitedly zaion did hit a bit to upstream with japanese style management which is on her but still. Btw zaion is back on her sayu account and selen is on her dokibird if it will make you happier and lessen the blow
Start calling her *Sayu,* please.
'Zaion's a product of corporate b*llsh*t. :‹
@@ArcaneMaidennope, not respecting a p3d0
Indeed she was, it was also pretty obvious, any amount of research into this topic pointed that statment from Niji sanji was 50% bulshit.
Now the talent returned to her old persona as Sayu. Pitty she didnt had enough time in Niji to gather a bigger following
That is some bull....she was really just doing the best she can with a jank up management...
Niji really setting them self on fire.
Wishing Selen very the best in her next journey.
i love it how things finally turned around with shit in their faces now.
@@akira8393 Karmic too knowing that they were the ones who threw the doodoo in the fan.
@@Dinoslay exactly, so fuck em.
@@akira8393 (cue Rambo 3 firefight)
Makes sense why Kyo is graduating too they made my man apologize when he said he wasn’t going to 💀💀💀
this is the same guy that shits on people, not a lot really give a shit about him😂
5:27 DN is so angry he’s stuttering
… which I agree with, yes, we SHOULD be mad about this 😡
I have total respect for whatever Dokibird decides to do in the future with her career, but…VShojo already has two former Niji talents, so I wouldn’t be surprised if that door is open for her. If VShojo was willing to brave the drama that followed Pikamee’s graduation and birth Henya, I’d be surprised if they weren’t willing to take Dokibird under their wing.
Tbh (no offence to Pika/Henya she's literally my favourite VTuber) in the grand scheme of things her drama was tame and it didn't cause any lasting damage to any relationships AFAIK. So I wouldn't say VShojo were taking on much risk taking her on when basically everyone with common sense universally agreed that she was innocent.
@@meathir4921 I agree-which is why I thought it related to Dokibird’s situation, which is quite similar on the surface
I think a lot of people hope for Hololive because she's friends with Mumei, but I see this as the more realistic choice, especially since Kuro and Matara keep going on about how much better they like things there.
I wouldn't call taking in Pikamee brave. Even Kson was a bigger risk for controversy. Now if VShojo kept Nazuna, that's real bravery.
No offence to Selen, but after Nazuna incident, i think vshojo needs to be extra careful with their acquisition of terminated individuals (not graduated).
RIP Selen. Long live Dokibird!
Was waiting for this, AAUGHT
Fly High Selen, Your chains are already removed 💔
i hit bingo!
Someone's gonna probably say: "Selen gaslighted me"
If not Finana, then most likely Millie.
Besides Selen’s attempt, this is the other thing that scares me about all this. Because of this revelation of “bullying”, people will absolutely go on witch hunts and start throwing around accusations, and essentially starting wars against livers that could be completely innocent.
I am speechless.. I dont have twitter and miss out on a lot of things, thank you for informing us all- I literally cannot say anything rn, because im so mad. I don't wanna imagine how selen is feeling rn..
Mumei Pick Selen up Quick!!!!!!
Bring Yagoo with you to increase recruitment rate!
Mysta and Nina: I got you covered Selen. Come join Vshojo.
@@markconstance186 these recruitment scenarios are so close to those RPGs
@@MICHAELTUMANGDAY Bad ending unlocked, now for the good & true ending
@@dhimmyjazzy696
vshojo: the retirement home ending
hololive: the idol ending
indie: the indie ending
😂
@@markconstance186 Vshojo has got a pick of 4 talents open, don't think they've got the infrastructure (management etc) to pick them all up.
To me, it looks like selen actually want to graduate after all the bad things happened to her, but first niji want selen to write statement to make nijiEN management looked good. Selen refused and then they decided to terminate her and try to blame her for everything and destroy her image.
I think Selen's PL tweeted that initially she was supposed to leave Niji on 26th January, however things changed and... this is where she ended up instead
@@aisukururimu7515 as far as I know, you can't suddenly ask for graduation. If Selen asked to leave on 26 December, her graduation would be a few month after 26th December. And if she did planed her graduation on 26th December, she should announce it a least a few weeks before the graduation. She wanted to graduate but niji terminate her instead.
@@aisukururimu7515 So, Niji waited on the termination in order to milk one more month of memberships and goods sales from Selen, but then seeing the backlash of #WhereIsSelen and seeing people demand an answer, they prepared this statement and posted it today. If there was less pushback and outrage, they would have delayed the statement and hoped to drag this out longer to get more pity sales from Dragoons and other people concerned about Selen, which of course Selen would never even see a single penny from.
Well they just made their image even worse
i wonder if they could, they would have even put her address and everything 😂
Should probably update that 'The absolute state of Nijisanji' video now...
Confirmed things so far:
-Confirmed Stealth Suspensions
-Confirmed unalive attempt
-Confirmed cover up of un alive attempt.
-Bad management (obviously)
-Claimed harassment by other Livers (not yet confirmed)
- Confirmed that management understands the absolute shit storm about to be sent their way.
It turns out that both theories regarding Selen’s absence in December were correct.
Personal Speculation: The emergency contact was the Holo owl.
Unless they are roommates I would assume her emergency contact would be an immediate family member.
So, Selen was pushed so bad by the company to the point of attempting unalive. There has to be legal repercussions possible for this. This is not something that flies in the west, whether it is America, Canada or EU. I'm pretty sure Selen should be able to ruin them legally through this if she decides to fight for it.
I’m just gonna come out and say it: Nijisanji is currently the Activision Blizzard of VTubing. It seems to be just that bad
And I'm not gonna be surprised that there's still nijien management defenders
They legally can't really say anything about the suicide attempt, that's medical information which they aren't allowed to reveal unless they have signed permission from Selen. But I'm with you on the other stuff
You know, I always seen selen as the event organizer in nijisanji that drags me back to watch nijisanji as a whole once every time.
I just hope there will be someone that can make events as big as the puyo puyo tournament and holo niji custom again.
What I'm trying to say is. If nijisanji en as a whole is slice of life anime
They've lost, their plot.
Honestly I’m going be honest even though it’s sad but deep down, I felt like this was obvious that this was going to happen but what a terrible response from Nijisanji
Yeah we all knew it was gonna happen, was just a matter of when and how
At least she's free from their yoke now.
@@velveteensallet949and us fans of hers can now confidently leave Nijisanji behind. I plan to at least. Letting g one of your talents get bullied so bad they make a sui attempt, and then fire them for making you look bad? Nah, fuck that noise and fuck Nijisanji
We knew she was gonna leave, we didn't know she was getting bullied from within. Most of Selens troubles couldve just been uncooperative management before this news drop.
took me a bit to realize this but nijien literally tried to cover up a suicide attempt
Exactly.
@@doesnotcompute6078 Agreed, not outing the suicide attempt was literally the only thing they did right in a sea of wrongs. The other things they did in reaction to the attempt, though... yikes.
And if they locked her out of the account, those tweets weren't even hers.
@@TotemoGaijin this is exactly what I was thinking about!, it literally implies that they were impersonating her at one point, and yet dare to whine about her "damaging their image"??, y'all bitches were already deep in the mud
@@TotemoGaijin Someone took a really close look and compared those tweets with older tweets and DID notice irregularities in it's punctuation.
I find it funny how Nijisanji's not basically says "we're real victims, bro, believe us."
We can safely assumed she is terminated and not for the best of reasons. She deserves Justice. Maybe one day once EN opens up again she can join Hololive with her friend Mumei. If not Vshojo, Idol, Phase and many other companies are opened to her. Maybe even a indie with a huge following. Regardless I wish her the best of Luck.
i dunno bout idol phase, since there was a clip of her making fun of it... maybe she's being indie from what im seeing
someone from sg with a brain! i can't believe this miracle
If both decide to not be Indie, then:
Selen would be a better fit in VShojo imo
Pomu would fit much better into Holo since she actually has Idol aspirations afaik
imo i think she'll stay as indie and not want to deal with a company anytime soon
Why does she need a company? She’d do just fine if not better being indie
Fly like a bird, a dokibird. Hope you reunite with an owl.
I hope this wasn't why Moom hasn't been streaming much lately...
Nah Mumai said civilization duties which is an euphemism for "collage stuff" but also for me it wouldn't be weird if she would become less active because of this.
@boitaho I guess I was thinking she didn't actually hurt herself, but she confirmed it. I just hope she's well.
Its honestly a blessing now that she's out of that company. Its so bad, they ruined their own reputation, and they put all the blame to their own vtubers.. At least now people can support her in a much better channel/avatar.
Dokibird for anyone curious.
OK, this crossed the line. if kurosanji wants a war, then so be it. I fought a war for a dragon once, I can do it again.
It's supposed to be the year of dragon...
@@antokarman2064 and the dragon comes roaring
I'm genuinely concerned and curious regarding the "other liver part". Like damn some of them even meet IRL can't imagine someone within their own EN circle would do something like this towards one another damn
There is no indication that this statement is true, and it's worded vaguely enough to skirt Japanese defamation laws. It seems to me to be a lame attempt to explain her attempt outside of management own negligence.
In good news:
Dokibird has gone from 32K subs to over 100K in a few hours. Well done, bros.
ALMOST 230K NOW! LETS GOOOOOO
300k
Did the same shit they have done to Zaion Lanza, my expectations were low but holy shit, I never thought these guys would still disappoint me.
Don't worry about the PL stuff, Doki herself is encouraging us in another post to tell everyone where she is now.
In general I feel like all rules regarding not talking about PL accounts are null and void when the vtuber graduates/gets terminated and said account goes from PL(Past Life) to PL(Present Life).
IMO Nijisanji signed their own death warrant with this one. At least for the EN branch, since they have like 100 JP talents. There is no way they can recover from throwing their hardest working, most driven, and drama-free talent under the bus to try to hide their own incompetence. Literally nobody believe their "official statement".
It also makes everyone now doubt any liver's character as they might've been involved in the bullying. Nobody can enjoy their escapism if they constantly have to worry about whether the one they are watching is actually being bullied or doing the bullying.
Imagine if Pomu and Selen debuted in Hololive as genmates. Best redemption arc in Vtuber history.
And if god permitted
Mika in holo id
@@peacechan4500basically confirmed Mika is going to Vshojo
@@Tharja-iBW wait how ?
@@meimeione she recently appeared in kuros stream
Don't think Mika will be in HoloID, she's more of a VShojo than a Holo. @@peacechan4500
Kyo and Pomu knew what they were doing
And Mysta, and Nina, and Mika, and the other like 20 Livers who have graduated in the last year.....it's like rats from a sinking ship.
@@ronanfel8191 yeah, and honestly...I'm glad Yugo and some other talents jumped ship early, at least they avoided most of this bullshit
Kyo was probably part of the bullying considering how deep he was in the Enna clique. He also had been planning to leave for a while as he had a new vtuber model/persona in the works.
@@luminous3558what’s up with Enna though? i don’t follow her
@@luminous3558please don't spread baseless rumors about the livers.
nijiblack just speedruning the deletion of the EN branch
I guess we know why Calli stopped following Niji. Guess the leaks were true they like talking crap about others and bullying. Damn i loved Millie and Enna so much this breaks my heart
Not defending them but this could literally be niji’s way of shifting the blame - don’t blame our management, blame the livers it’s their fault - is what it felt like. They blamed selen through the whole doc. That being said, we don’t know who it was if bullying did occur, which I know people will go on a witch hunt and attack everyone. Hopefully Doki could talk more about it in her comeback stream
Wow it is true
She is not following anyone from niji
Not even vox
If anyone would really defend niji after this, I wish you best of luck and hopefully my kababayan millie would follow and join hololive.
Heard that both millie and luca did but mostly millie but yeah
Millie? the one who defends the black company and says shes fine and dandy? no way
@user-ts2ir4hc5r you know she have connections with ID
I'm sorry to tell you millie is not even better
Bro millie literally defends nijisanji not long ago lmfao