Quick have replied: First of all,We truly appreciate the time and effort you put into testing our product: Quick TS11 and sharing your honest feedback with your audience. As fans of your channel, we saw the video right after it was published, however we found that there were some issues with the product during your review, such as the design of the iron holder, no sponge, the power indicator problem, the sleep wake up sensor error, insufficient power, the limited selection of soldering tips and etc. To be honest, we didn’t want to reach out without a proper explanation or plan,that's why it took us a bit of time to contact you. Our team is currently working on addressing these concerns: 1.Iron Holder We’re developing a more user-friendly design to improve the overall experience; 2.Sponge Issue We will offer an additional sponge or add the sponge in the new iron holder, allowing users to choose between brass wool or sponges based on their preference; 3.Sleep Sensor Error This seems to be a rare issue, possibly related to shipping or handling. However, we’ll be conducting more thorough tests to prevent it in future batches, and we will send you a new soldering handpieces in next review; 4.Soldering Tips Slection In fact we have more options for the soldering tip selecion, you can check the attachment, we should send you the detail range for your to choose from before sample shipped, sorry for the inconvenience . And we would like to clarify that our soldering station is specifically designed for micro-soldering applications in the mobile phone repair industry, making it ideally suited for soldering joints below 2mm. We apologize for not making this clear in our product documentation or marketing. Your feedback has highlighted the importance of specifying the target applications for our tools to ensure that users have the right expectations and can make the most out of our products. 5. Power insufficiency The sensor potential of the soldering tip(the batch that sent to you) is not compatible with the station. Sorry for all the issues and inconvenience, it's a shame to disappoint you, and we look forward to the opportunity to show our commitment to quality and customer satisfaction. We would like to offer you a new unit of our product once these improvements have been implemented, we believe that you will find the updated version to be a significant step forward. We value your trust to review our product, as it helps us understand how our products perform in real-world scenarios and how we can improve them. We're actively looking into the concerns you mentioned and would appreciate any additional suggestions you have on how we can improve.
This heating issue is the same problem I had with my Pace ADS120 which made it unusable. I'll record my findings of the Quick TS11 in the next few days.
I got an old, dead Metcal for free with about 6 or 8 different tips from fine ones to bruisers. I took it apart, found replacements for the RF FET, fixed the Metcal for about $5 and have been using it for nearly 10 years. No LCD, just on and off and an LED, and Curie Point tips. I'm perfectly happy with it.
Got a dual one for cheap as well with all the plumbing for a desolder station (on air), never going back. Cheap was because it had no tips, which is easily fixable. It's also 40W, but it is way better than any 40W soldering station I've ever had.
I hate rear facing power switches, one of the main and most important controls being mounted on the back... stupid design, why do manufacturers keep doing that?!
Sometimes I gotta think its more designed for workstations/factory use, where you genuinely wouldn't need the tool/appliance switched all the way off very often.
Iirc there's an European regulation about the power switch being within reach of the cord, just an actual dumb 'saftey' regulation that makes tools significantly more dangerous. Tbf that legislation probably came about because manufactures were just not including power switches on vacuums or other such appliances
I never use the rear switch on my JBC, it gets switched off at the conveniently situated wall socket (UK), but have to admit, if there was a switch on the front of the unit then I’d probably use it.
@@basshead. That is maybe true for people, the so called "celebrities". But when it comes to products, I would totally disagree. Bad publicity on products can not only kill the product but whole companies.
I stopped using sponges, the shock from the water hitting the hot iron tends to shorten the life of the plating. I've not missed using one. To be fair it's still right there if I opted to use it.
I changed to the metal wool as due to your point regarding the cooling shock. Must say that i sometimes use the sponge again, because i think it clean the tip better and i haven't experienced that it shorten the life of my tips to my Weller. ALways the original weller tips and the lasted for years.
1. Sponge is meant to be damp, not wet. 2. Brass curls are always more abrasive than sponge & they are sometimes made of plated steel or replaced with wire wool ☠️
I use the opposite logic. The steam fully cleans the tip almost instantly. Dry wire pads never quite clean the tip and leave crud embedded in flux to try to remove. The time I can save with near instantly clean tips and no crud on the bds more than pays the cost of a tip that might not last as long. But then I solder quickly, more like an assembler than a tech as I've done a bit of assembly.
Doesn't it smell like bullcrap to you when a temperature indicator shoots up and hits the mark perfectly, not even changing 1 degree when touching a large copper plane?
You say "The thermal capacity is too small". But the thermal capacity does not matter if your heater can provide enough power, heat capacity only matter if your iron is under powered. The thermal resistance of the tip is too high, not the heat capacity to low!
yeah correct. what you care about is power transfer efficiency, not thermal capacity alone. when soldering big ground planes, thermal capacity is not very helpful, unless you have a big good old 500 g copper axe-style iron. bigger tips help with that too, though: the greater the contact area (both between the tip and the surface worked on and between the heater element and the tip), the better.
@@bertblankenstein3738 There is a lack of power but it may be the heater itself. It doesn't matter what the base is rated at if the tip resistance is too high.
A 90W bench top soldering station that, while sure heating up in a flash, seems to do a worse job at actually soldering than my TS100 running at around 35W :P
@@groundzero_-lm4md considering how rapidly this station heats up and how poorly it responds to thermal load, I guess the temperature sensor is relatively far from the tip and close to the heater. In contrast, JBC & Metcal temperature sensor is electrically connected to the tip. Weller magnistat too. Most have the temperature sensor insulated from tip inside the ceramic heating element, I think.
As many have said, it's not about the amount of power it uses, more to do with design. Like cameras are not about megapixels. It's not the number you have, but how you use it.
The only thing I like on this is, that it doesn't have a useless sponge. Didn't use a wet sponge in over a decade, since I have the metal ones. It's so much better and the tips last longer too.
How strange! I'm wondering if it's a case of some half-baked demo/pre-production unit? That might explain half the features being missing. Not sure why the power output is so bad though. Maybe that's also a firmware issue, perhaps the power level meter is accurate and it's not even driving the iron properly because it thinks the iron temperature isn't dropping? It's as if it can't even (or isn't trying to) read the thermal sensor or the accelerometer inputs.
Regardless of if it was pre-production, this is the sample sent out to be reviewed. A company that wants to even sell something would be making sure its demo product worked for reviewers. If they can't get their review sample working right, what hope have any of us got of gettign decent support from them?
@@EsotericArctos Maybe someone in the shipping department sent the wrong one by mistake. Something seems messed up here, beyond just poor performance. Their website certainly mentions a "precision vibration sensor" which obviously isn't working, so it's likely something is faulty or it's a pre-production unit. Interestingly their website lists 14 different tips for this station you can purchase, not just the 6 mentioned here, so there's the possibility of miscommunication too. Might even be "review" doesn't mean the same to them as it does to us. Lost in translation? It's an interesting mystery...
@@Agent24Electronics Feel sorry for them if they accidentally sent a dodgy one out, but this is the one we saw the review on. Would I take the risk on just hoping this was a one off faulty one? Likely not given what else is available in a similar price range.
@@EsotericArctos It certainly doesn't give a good first impression, but I'm just trying to understand why the thing performs so badly. Pretty much every soldering station produced these days works better than this, and Quick made the 861DE Hot air station which is popular and works well. They don't seem like an incompetent company, and anyone in a back-alley basement somewhere in China could produce another Hakko 936 clone that'd work better than this TS11 station. It feels like there's something not right with Dave's unit. I wonder what Quick will have to say about it.
Rear power switches are definitely not user friendly if you need to have items along side each other access is a problem, I’ve modified several pieces of test equipment to have front switches, plus I usually modify the IEC leads to have 90deg plugs so the item fits closer to the wall. It saves many inches of space.
I own a TS1200 A, I've had it for about 3 years now and I'm absolutely fascinated by it. I chose it over a HAKKO soldering station and a PACE ADS200. While it's true that it doesn't have a wide variety of tips, the ones available do provide excellent thermal performance. The available tip types are B, C, D, I, J, and K. With 120 watts of power, it delivers impressive thermal performance. Incidentally, I'd like to note that this soldering iron features a capacitive touch sensor located at the front, rather than an accelerometer.
At 3:20, it looks like the design of the stand makes it very easy for the idle iron to sit there heating up your replacement tips. That could give you an unpleasant surprise if you go to change tips and grab one!
I didn't use the sponge for cleaning the tips of my soldering irons for more than 15 years and I never missed it once. Just today I threw a couple old ones away that I found in a drawer while cleaning... Also that iron is a fail, even if it is a budget device, there is a clear lack of understanding how a soldering station is supposed to work, like with the sleep mode and the temperature display. I wish you would have charted the heaing up process, because I honestly wonder how long it actually takes to heat up because the display is - to a fraudulent degree - showing something that suggests its super quick.I guess depending on how quick it is the complete cooldown to RT would be forgiveable as well (though I doubt it's
Fraudulent is definitely a good word to describe that display. Not the tiniest bit of overshoot, nor the tiniest flicker of temperature change under load.
Can't wait for the 861 Pro review. I have the venerable 861DW both at home and work and really like it. If Quick got a simple soldering station so wrong, then I'm curious if they cut corners and degraded the effectiveness of the 861, aside from a pretty display.
@@ats89117 No Solder for you! I’m a doctor, 🐳! Shrinkage! Spare a square? Two faced, muffin top, man hands, oil bladder, bottle deposit. If you know you know. I get into trouble to this day with my references. ✌️
Low cost doesn't have to equal junk. I'd rather spend my money elsewhere after this review. There are other low cost desk soldering "stations" that work better.
The Quick guys in China should watch 3 times and make improvement immediately since Dave did put money into your pocket, and US80 is not cheap enough to compete with KSGER, it's cheap, solid and Hakko tip compatible.
From my experience of mobile phone repair, I'd say that in the smallest main board pcb with tiniest smd components, you can sometimes find a big graund plane. And that thing requires a lot of power. So, ground plane test is applicable even for such small tips.
Weller is OK compared to this nonsence but it is not nearly as good as it used to be. Sure the upper models look fancy but the reliability is not the same, all the innovative solutions like the famous soldering stations with Kurie point controlled HF induction powered tips are obsolete and all the nice accesories are a thing of the past. Weller is definitely no longer the best option out there and that includes the entire range of their current products all the way from top to bottom.
Weller for me. Always was, always will be. From budget friendly 'Magnastat' stations when I was a kid and upwards. Now I'm using the WX-system on my home benches. No reason to look elsewhere.
I don't even glance at the station or the wand holder. I set them up, and then they're where my hand goes. I keep my eyes on my work. I used exactly that to hire senior assemblers. I'd just set a pile of tools out and tell them to set up their station. If they started setting up and said the table was too high or too low I'd hire them. If they set up, then soldered a connection and stuck the wand back in the holder without glancing over at the holder, then set the tools up again in the same spots I'd hire them as a senior assembler. I didn't need to give them a quiz out of the NASA manual. Those quick tests always worked.
My biggest critique on all soldering stations is there are no knobs. The push button temp change (and air flow on hot air stations) is more difficult and takes longer.
It depends how often you change the temperature, and what you are use to using really. I tend to set a temperature and that is the one I sue for most things. I have a fairly old, but cheap, duratech soldering station that has never let me down, it is an old fashioned analogue knob. I also have a hot air station that is push buttton. I don't find any big difference setting wither one as I rarely change my set points.
My Atten iron is pretty good. Forgot the price but you can change the heat setting on the iron itself. The base also has a built in solder spool holder.
I'm planning on getting an Atten hot air station, the charity I'm volunteering at is looking as getting a soldering station and hot air stations too, and we want to get something decent without spending too much money. Personally I have a Yihua station, the soldering iron seems to be pretty good but the hot air not so much (its one of the cheap ones with the fan in the wand). I am very much a beginner though.
i have a Quick TS1200A, live in sydney, if you'd like to compare. The sleep sensor in mine is Squeeze activated, maybe try squeezing the nib? Also, the nibs look similar in design, however mine are thicker, maybe cross compatible?
I'm also a proud owner of a TS1200 A, having used it for around 3 years now. I was impressed enough to choose it over both the HAKKO soldering station and the PACE ADS200. Although the tip selection may be limited, they're designed for high thermal performance. The available tips are B, C, D, J, and K, and the 120-watt power supply ensures exceptional thermal performance
I don't believe the temperature display. It's cooling off far too quickly. It seems to be reporting the set point, not measured temperature. Can you verify it with an external temperature probe?
Looks like normal 'T-12' tips that can be bought cheaply in China. Probably exchangable. I have those kinds of stations and they are nice for light work but not for more heavy tasks like with groundplanes and such... but also not for the real fine work. Something in-between... on one I have that timeout active and it is handy but also drives me mad sometimes. Everytime having to press that button, wait for a few seconds and then solder one thing, put it back in the holder and next time press the btton again. On mine (cheaper stations), they flash the temp that they have after pressing the button though, for a couple of seconds and then it is 'about on temperature'. But when cooling down on a big plane or in water, no change on the display. The power differences between the tips you use, so it might be working better with other tips with the same connection and possibly higher output-power. 90 Watts is probably the 'input' max. I guess so before the transformer and losses.
Another company following the appalling trend of stating the STATIONs power capability and not the irons ELEMENT power! The iron's actual power may be in the product literature somewhere, but they headline a deceptive spec to bolster product appeal.
EEVBLOG Dave please test that iron as i think you will find that the power switch at front only turns off the display and power to the iron but there’s still power to the transformer, check how much draw there is on the power supply.
we have our soldering stations, hot air etc on a shared power strip that can be turned on and off with a easily reachable switch, and leave the switches on the devices themselves on. Bit annoying but works.
I have a few Weller stations with the Curie temp tips and sometimes it fails to switch off and I find the end glowing red hot. I have to give it a whack to get it to regulate again. Simple design, but not very reliable
TS11 here ~140 Euro (with taxes, ~110€ without), so not really that cheap. A decent TS101-ish one with USB-C is about half of the price, hmmm.. My TS101 is driven by an older spare laptop power supply, so well..
I've had the PACE for a few years now, and its very good. I'd have to say that its 95% of the functionality of a JCB, at about half the price. I have noted that the PACE pricing has gone up faster than the JCB pricing, so these 2 companies seem to be the leaders in the soldering station market high pricing. Does this make them the best on the market? After many years of using both, I'm going to have to say yes. Weller was once upon a time the leader but they seem to be a distance 3 place maker now (maybe higher sales volume, but not equivalent functionality).
Anytime you see a shake-proof washer with exposed locking teeth on the O.D., the engineers knew nothing about locking washers. The teeth need to be on the I.D. (hidden under the screw head) to do their job. "Outside tooth" lock washers are for other applications.
I do all my soldering with two weller irons that are over 30 years old I have changed the tips one time , put a small chisel on one the old tip is still new unused the other has a more chunky chisel the tips never wear out I do have a royal desoldering station and an atten hot air station used mostly for heat shrink even solder vssop packages with the wellers using solder wick. Picked up a lot of soldering irons over time never counted how many I have 240v , 32v , 12v, 48v note the wellers are 48v.
The stuff I use all the time I'v put on a separate powerstrip, so when I "switch on the bench" the light, and soldering station etc all comes on automagicaly. No need for any stupid power switches on the front, thank you verry much.
Nope, manual specifically states that to wake it up you can: 1. Turn off the soldering station and turn it on again. 2. Press any key. 3. Shake the handle to resume the main unit from sleep.
Seen these for a while now, opted for a Jabe UD-1200 myself way back which takes regular c245 tips. Hot air station the old Quick one or an Atten seems the better choice. With these i feel they focussed too much on the aestetics and neglected things around that.
I would say it's not only the heat capacity of the tip - as indicated by the non-indicating power bars the iron does not even seem to deliver the power. No way that this is even close to 80 W. You could have tested the power input from the ac grid...
@@jaro6985 with a directly coupled heater inside the tip there is a limit how bad the coupling actually can be. You would almost have to intentionally thermally insulate the heater from the tip to get this bad performance...
@@uwezimmermann5427 If you've used and taken apart copy T12 cartridges you'd know the coupling can be terrible. You don't need to insulate really, there could be a gap of 0.1mm to the copper, etc.
btw this one is QUICK, not to be confused with QUICKO, which you probably referred to as being specialised in soldering equipment. well, I think so, at least. never can be sure about these brands.
My 12 dollar T12 station from aliexpress has sleep modes and movement sensors, and a endless variety of tips to pick from. They solder just fine and i can buy multiple and keep one anywhere i go. Of even hook up a battery to them and solder on the move. Honestly i don't see the value of expensive soldering stations for hobby use, except for bragging rights. BTW. I've used Metcals and ERSA's and Wellers and I still pick the cheapest T12 option. Edit: those cheap stations have a two step sleep mode where first they go to idle mode and drop the temperature, and after some time they switch off and moving the iron wakes them right up.
It looks like the power bar relates to the target temp. If the target temp is at target all is well, no extra power. I wonder if the temp is being measured not from the tip but someone else further up the iron. Maybe try dousing the iron with water to really sap the energy out and see if that makes the power bar jump? I mean if that is the case, now you understand what is going on but it still means it's kinda pants as a tool.
The tips look like a c115 o c210. Using a c115 with 45w I solder a transistor 45p40 package with a big heatsink attached with no problems. (I can't remove the heatsink because doing that I must desolder 50 tru hole pins and solder again).
Can you do a review of the cheap FNIRSI dws-200? I am very happy with it and it is cheap. It seems pretty premium but I would love your thoughts on it, 200w and the handles and tips are t210 and t245! Best regards.
Did you get to try the Atten ST-1509? I was about to get their dual station but someone warned me you can't "cross the beams" or the thermal control goes ape. So I got two ST-1509's instead so they run on separate transformers and that worked super. Also, shame on you! Stop using a sponge!
@Ðave, if you *want* a stand like your pace or JBC or whatever and do not accept any different form, then go with your Pace or JBC, maybe tell people that you personally don't like that form. But don't bother everyone telling them "this freaking stand is ...." (kind of sh....oot?), when this is maybe only your personal taste. Nobody does need your sponge, if you already have that brass wool ready to clean up the tip and vice versa. While having to agree, that obviously the thermal capacity is not sufficient for proper working with most ground planes I cannot see proper technical objective advice from you. So, where is the benefit for your visitors? And, yes, I do have JBC soldering station, so I also would prefer proper temperature readback being displayed on the display panel.
Never use the sponge on my JBC It's still brand-new unused Just the brass wool and clean the tips with contact cleaner and paper towel when cooled Different strokes 🤷
not many do, as its cumbersome haveing to water it and it gets crusty.. so I have no issues that they drop that..if people want that they can just get a dedicated sponge that often will be way better then the lackluster they tend to implement into systems.
I don't even use the wool as well as for me just a piece of rosin covered soft cardboard seems much more convenient. But there are different personal preferences and many people swear by the sponges and accept nothing else.
It's not measuring tip temperature. Must of element temperature. I noticed when you switched from 303 -> 400 -> 303, the ramp down skipped a huge range. Like it hadn't finished heating before displaying "400". The first time you went down the 400 it ramped down a lot smoother. Also explains the pathetic heat capacity on the ground plane, it has no idea how cold the end of the tip is.
@@EEVblog I wonder if the ramp-up is a side-effect of a rolling average routine and in fact it's not reading the tip temp for some reason (eg faulty hardware)
Not displaying live temperature is a Chinese culture thing - Mianzi. Showing temperature drop would be equal to conceding defeat. I wish I was joking :(
Gimme a Yihua any day! This seems like a lot more money for an overall 10% better product! Plus it's getting close to "real" soldering station money...
I'm only a beginner but my Yihua 2in1 soldering iron seems pretty good to me, never had a problem with it, however the hot air station isn't great, I'm going to upgrade to an Atten 862d and keep my Yihua just for the iron I think.
"have you tried it with confidence?" Since it has no live temperature display, you don't know how fast it heats up. Just rolling up the numbers on the display at startup is more like a screensaver. Completely useless!
ADS200 is not that great, he reviewed that one as well. Can get much better performance for the price. If you don't care about performance get the pace.
Very Useless indeed, a soldering Iron should display the realtime tip temperature as you solder different solder junctions. Especially when soldering on a metal code PCB, the temperature tend to go down significantly and this should be displayed on the display.
The sensor in the handpiece must be gǒu pì from a Temu manufacturer. in other aspects, it's down to a lesser average because the resting pit for the pen is so openly loose it just can't seem safe enough to work with in the first place. i've handled equipment like this while repairing at work and i know it can be 10x better and easier than this.
Quick have replied:
First of all,We truly appreciate the time and effort you put into testing our product: Quick TS11 and sharing your honest feedback with your audience.
As fans of your channel, we saw the video right after it was published, however we found that there were some issues with the product during your review, such as the design of the iron holder, no sponge, the power indicator problem, the sleep wake up sensor error, insufficient power, the limited selection of soldering tips and etc. To be honest, we didn’t want to reach out without a proper explanation or plan,that's why it took us a bit of time to contact you.
Our team is currently working on addressing these concerns:
1.Iron Holder
We’re developing a more user-friendly design to improve the overall experience;
2.Sponge Issue
We will offer an additional sponge or add the sponge in the new iron holder, allowing users to choose between brass wool or sponges based on their preference;
3.Sleep Sensor Error
This seems to be a rare issue, possibly related to shipping or handling. However, we’ll be conducting more thorough tests to prevent it in future batches, and we will send you a new soldering handpieces in next review;
4.Soldering Tips Slection
In fact we have more options for the soldering tip selecion, you can check the attachment, we should send you the detail range for your to choose from before sample shipped, sorry for the inconvenience .
And we would like to clarify that our soldering station is specifically designed for micro-soldering applications in the mobile phone repair industry, making it ideally suited for soldering joints below 2mm. We apologize for not making this clear in our product documentation or marketing. Your feedback has highlighted the importance of specifying the target applications for our tools to ensure that users have the right expectations and can make the most out of our products.
5. Power insufficiency
The sensor potential of the soldering tip(the batch that sent to you) is not compatible with the station.
Sorry for all the issues and inconvenience, it's a shame to disappoint you, and we look forward to the opportunity to show our commitment to quality and customer satisfaction. We would like to offer you a new unit of our product once these improvements have been implemented, we believe that you will find the updated version to be a significant step forward.
We value your trust to review our product, as it helps us understand how our products perform in real-world scenarios and how we can improve them. We're actively looking into the concerns you mentioned and would appreciate any additional suggestions you have on how we can improve.
Well that is pretty solid response I'd say. Kudos for that!
This heating issue is the same problem I had with my Pace ADS120 which made it unusable. I'll record my findings of the Quick TS11 in the next few days.
Looking forward to your review. Dave can be overly critical. Also, you are long overdue for a new flux shootout ;)
I got an old, dead Metcal for free with about 6 or 8 different tips from fine ones to bruisers. I took it apart, found replacements for the RF FET, fixed the Metcal for about $5 and have been using it for nearly 10 years. No LCD, just on and off and an LED, and Curie Point tips. I'm perfectly happy with it.
Those are all I'll use for my own use.
They used to have them at work but replaced them for hakko units, I have no idea why.
Got a dual one for cheap as well with all the plumbing for a desolder station (on air), never going back. Cheap was because it had no tips, which is easily fixable. It's also 40W, but it is way better than any 40W soldering station I've ever had.
We only ever had Metcal stations at work and they were a joy to use.
Metcal is the industry standard.
I hate rear facing power switches, one of the main and most important controls being mounted on the back... stupid design, why do manufacturers keep doing that?!
Sometimes I gotta think its more designed for workstations/factory use, where you genuinely wouldn't need the tool/appliance switched all the way off very often.
It’s mostly an European thing.
Iirc there's an European regulation about the power switch being within reach of the cord, just an actual dumb 'saftey' regulation that makes tools significantly more dangerous.
Tbf that legislation probably came about because manufactures were just not including power switches on vacuums or other such appliances
Ersa has at front. JBC at back. Both europe
I never use the rear switch on my JBC, it gets switched off at the conveniently situated wall socket (UK), but have to admit, if there was a switch on the front of the unit then I’d probably use it.
It's hilarious when companies send you their crappy products thinking it'll be free advertizing.
It does seem most unwise!
They have surely learned their lesson with this one
You may be surprised but it actually works. They are not that stupid 😉
@@SlaVoy Yup. Any publicity is good publicity.
@@basshead. That is maybe true for people, the so called "celebrities". But when it comes to products, I would totally disagree. Bad publicity on products can not only kill the product but whole companies.
I stopped using sponges, the shock from the water hitting the hot iron tends to shorten the life of the plating. I've not missed using one. To be fair it's still right there if I opted to use it.
Metal brush better? 😂
I changed to the metal wool as due to your point regarding the cooling shock.
Must say that i sometimes use the sponge again, because i think it clean the tip better and i haven't experienced that it shorten the life of my tips to my Weller. ALways the original weller tips and the lasted for years.
1. Sponge is meant to be damp, not wet.
2. Brass curls are always more abrasive than sponge & they are sometimes made of plated steel or replaced with wire wool ☠️
@@davadoffbrass ought to be softer than the iron and won't thermal shock the plating off your iron
I use the opposite logic. The steam fully cleans the tip almost instantly. Dry wire pads never quite clean the tip and leave crud embedded in flux to try to remove. The time I can save with near instantly clean tips and no crud on the bds more than pays the cost of a tip that might not last as long. But then I solder quickly, more like an assembler than a tech as I've done a bit of assembly.
Doesn't it smell like bullcrap to you when a temperature indicator shoots up and hits the mark perfectly, not even changing 1 degree when touching a large copper plane?
So do you like it then? 😛
2:48 - A rotating tip on a angled iron. I’ll pass. 6:30, the meter indicates how loud the cursing is.
You say "The thermal capacity is too small".
But the thermal capacity does not matter if your heater can provide enough power, heat capacity only matter if your iron is under powered.
The thermal resistance of the tip is too high, not the heat capacity to low!
yeah correct. what you care about is power transfer efficiency, not thermal capacity alone. when soldering big ground planes, thermal capacity is not very helpful, unless you have a big good old 500 g copper axe-style iron.
bigger tips help with that too, though: the greater the contact area (both between the tip and the surface worked on and between the heater element and the tip), the better.
I think this station can't deliver the power.
@@bertblankenstein3738 It can. That's why it can heat up so fast but that does not matter if you cant transfer the heat.
@@bertblankenstein3738 it looks like a firmware bug really.
@@bertblankenstein3738 There is a lack of power but it may be the heater itself. It doesn't matter what the base is rated at if the tip resistance is too high.
A 90W bench top soldering station that, while sure heating up in a flash, seems to do a worse job at actually soldering than my TS100 running at around 35W :P
Efficient thermal design has a lot more to do with actual useability than pure power.
Tip and element design and engineering is everything.
or 88W Pinecil which is cheaper than a TS100
@@groundzero_-lm4md considering how rapidly this station heats up and how poorly it responds to thermal load, I guess the temperature sensor is relatively far from the tip and close to the heater. In contrast, JBC & Metcal temperature sensor is electrically connected to the tip. Weller magnistat too. Most have the temperature sensor insulated from tip inside the ceramic heating element, I think.
As many have said, it's not about the amount of power it uses, more to do with design. Like cameras are not about megapixels. It's not the number you have, but how you use it.
The only thing I like on this is, that it doesn't have a useless sponge.
Didn't use a wet sponge in over a decade, since I have the metal ones.
It's so much better and the tips last longer too.
How strange! I'm wondering if it's a case of some half-baked demo/pre-production unit? That might explain half the features being missing. Not sure why the power output is so bad though. Maybe that's also a firmware issue, perhaps the power level meter is accurate and it's not even driving the iron properly because it thinks the iron temperature isn't dropping? It's as if it can't even (or isn't trying to) read the thermal sensor or the accelerometer inputs.
No idea!
Regardless of if it was pre-production, this is the sample sent out to be reviewed. A company that wants to even sell something would be making sure its demo product worked for reviewers. If they can't get their review sample working right, what hope have any of us got of gettign decent support from them?
@@EsotericArctos Maybe someone in the shipping department sent the wrong one by mistake. Something seems messed up here, beyond just poor performance. Their website certainly mentions a "precision vibration sensor" which obviously isn't working, so it's likely something is faulty or it's a pre-production unit.
Interestingly their website lists 14 different tips for this station you can purchase, not just the 6 mentioned here, so there's the possibility of miscommunication too. Might even be "review" doesn't mean the same to them as it does to us. Lost in translation? It's an interesting mystery...
@@Agent24Electronics Feel sorry for them if they accidentally sent a dodgy one out, but this is the one we saw the review on. Would I take the risk on just hoping this was a one off faulty one? Likely not given what else is available in a similar price range.
@@EsotericArctos It certainly doesn't give a good first impression, but I'm just trying to understand why the thing performs so badly. Pretty much every soldering station produced these days works better than this, and Quick made the 861DE Hot air station which is popular and works well. They don't seem like an incompetent company, and anyone in a back-alley basement somewhere in China could produce another Hakko 936 clone that'd work better than this TS11 station. It feels like there's something not right with Dave's unit. I wonder what Quick will have to say about it.
Rear power switches are definitely not user friendly if you need to have items along side each other access is a problem, I’ve modified several pieces of test equipment to have front switches, plus I usually modify the IEC leads to have 90deg plugs so the item fits closer to the wall. It saves many inches of space.
I had a Weller soldering station for more than 30 years until it failed.
I am now using the Edsyn Loner. The best I have used.
I own a TS1200 A, I've had it for about 3 years now and I'm absolutely fascinated by it. I chose it over a HAKKO soldering station and a PACE ADS200. While it's true that it doesn't have a wide variety of tips, the ones available do provide excellent thermal performance. The available tip types are B, C, D, I, J, and K. With 120 watts of power, it delivers impressive thermal performance.
Incidentally, I'd like to note that this soldering iron features a capacitive touch sensor located at the front, rather than an accelerometer.
This. I agree
At 3:20, it looks like the design of the stand makes it very easy for the idle iron to sit there heating up your replacement tips. That could give you an unpleasant surprise if you go to change tips and grab one!
Respect where respect is due…….i’ve just given my JBC a nice clean.
Be nice to get manufacturers feedback on Dave’s POS…….
I'll stick to my 1980s Metcal. Insert tip, flip switch, solder a penny to a ground plane with 40W..
Or a Weller soldering station. 😊
WD-1 for the win
@@davidbolha Weller sucks
@@FrozenHaxor I can't complain with mine. But I only have the older versions. Not anything new.
I wish they still made them like that.
I didn't use the sponge for cleaning the tips of my soldering irons for more than 15 years and I never missed it once. Just today I threw a couple old ones away that I found in a drawer while cleaning... Also that iron is a fail, even if it is a budget device, there is a clear lack of understanding how a soldering station is supposed to work, like with the sleep mode and the temperature display. I wish you would have charted the heaing up process, because I honestly wonder how long it actually takes to heat up because the display is - to a fraudulent degree - showing something that suggests its super quick.I guess depending on how quick it is the complete cooldown to RT would be forgiveable as well (though I doubt it's
Fraudulent is definitely a good word to describe that display. Not the tiniest bit of overshoot, nor the tiniest flicker of temperature change under load.
@@ferrumignis Probably they reversed some wires on connector so both the sensors can't be read correctly
Can't wait for the 861 Pro review. I have the venerable 861DW both at home and work and really like it. If Quick got a simple soldering station so wrong, then I'm curious if they cut corners and degraded the effectiveness of the 861, aside from a pretty display.
Dave is obviously NOT sponge worthy! 😅
I would even say, Dave is Mr. Sponge-Bob!
And Bob's your uncle!
@@ats89117 No Solder for you! I’m a doctor, 🐳! Shrinkage! Spare a square? Two faced, muffin top, man hands, oil bladder, bottle deposit. If you know you know. I get into trouble to this day with my references. ✌️
Low cost doesn't have to equal junk. I'd rather spend my money elsewhere after this review. There are other low cost desk soldering "stations" that work better.
The Quick guys in China should watch 3 times and make improvement immediately since Dave did put money into your pocket, and US80 is not cheap enough to compete with KSGER, it's cheap, solid and Hakko tip compatible.
From my experience of mobile phone repair, I'd say that in the smallest main board pcb with tiniest smd components, you can sometimes find a big graund plane.
And that thing requires a lot of power. So, ground plane test is applicable even for such small tips.
Weller, baby.
Sony is better
Weller is OK compared to this nonsence but it is not nearly as good as it used to be. Sure the upper models look fancy but the reliability is not the same, all the innovative solutions like the famous soldering stations with Kurie point controlled HF induction powered tips are obsolete and all the nice accesories are a thing of the past. Weller is definitely no longer the best option out there and that includes the entire range of their current products all the way from top to bottom.
@@basshead. Sony make soldering stations?!
@@TassieLorenzo Yeah, since 2011.
Weller for me. Always was, always will be. From budget friendly 'Magnastat' stations when I was a kid and upwards. Now I'm using
the WX-system on my home benches. No reason to look elsewhere.
Brought to you by "Wide Ranges of Soldering Tips". 😁
cant remember the last time i stared at the soldering station while soldering/desoldering ;p
you only look when you have issues
I don't even glance at the station or the wand holder. I set them up, and then they're where my hand goes. I keep my eyes on my work. I used exactly that to hire senior assemblers. I'd just set a pile of tools out and tell them to set up their station. If they started setting up and said the table was too high or too low I'd hire them. If they set up, then soldered a connection and stuck the wand back in the holder without glancing over at the holder, then set the tools up again in the same spots I'd hire them as a senior assembler. I didn't need to give them a quiz out of the NASA manual. Those quick tests always worked.
@@johnwest7993 What would they have to do to fail getting hired?
@@johnwest7993 So they hot hired either way.
You are very kind.
Crappy power at your solder tip is perfect for making solder bridges
My biggest critique on all soldering stations is there are no knobs. The push button temp change (and air flow on hot air stations) is more difficult and takes longer.
It depends how often you change the temperature, and what you are use to using really. I tend to set a temperature and that is the one I sue for most things. I have a fairly old, but cheap, duratech soldering station that has never let me down, it is an old fashioned analogue knob. I also have a hot air station that is push buttton. I don't find any big difference setting wither one as I rarely change my set points.
Buttons are far cheaper to produce than rotating elements. That's why.
My Atten iron is pretty good. Forgot the price but you can change the heat setting on the iron itself. The base also has a built in solder spool holder.
I'm planning on getting an Atten hot air station, the charity I'm volunteering at is looking as getting a soldering station and hot air stations too, and we want to get something decent without spending too much money.
Personally I have a Yihua station, the soldering iron seems to be pretty good but the hot air not so much (its one of the cheap ones with the fan in the wand). I am very much a beginner though.
T11 is not designed for ground planes or high thermal soldering applications. T45 is more appropriate for that.
A 12+ year old Atten station in the same price range is lightyears ahead of that thing. What the heck 😂
Well, that would cost maybe $120 today, with inflation.
i have a Quick TS1200A, live in sydney, if you'd like to compare.
The sleep sensor in mine is Squeeze activated, maybe try squeezing the nib?
Also, the nibs look similar in design, however mine are thicker, maybe cross compatible?
I'm also a proud owner of a TS1200 A, having used it for around 3 years now. I was impressed enough to choose it over both the HAKKO soldering station and the PACE ADS200. Although the tip selection may be limited, they're designed for high thermal performance. The available tips are B, C, D, J, and K, and the 120-watt power supply ensures exceptional thermal performance
7:40 - I hate the reach-around too! 😂
I couldn’t resist! Stop short!
@14:50 Those are normal 1206 resistors and its struggling to heat them on a normal FR4 PCB?
I don't believe the temperature display. It's cooling off far too quickly. It seems to be reporting the set point, not measured temperature. Can you verify it with an external temperature probe?
I see you did...
Looks like normal 'T-12' tips that can be bought cheaply in China. Probably exchangable. I have those kinds of stations and they are nice for light work but not for more heavy tasks like with groundplanes and such... but also not for the real fine work. Something in-between... on one I have that timeout active and it is handy but also drives me mad sometimes. Everytime having to press that button, wait for a few seconds and then solder one thing, put it back in the holder and next time press the btton again. On mine (cheaper stations), they flash the temp that they have after pressing the button though, for a couple of seconds and then it is 'about on temperature'. But when cooling down on a big plane or in water, no change on the display.
The power differences between the tips you use, so it might be working better with other tips with the same connection and possibly higher output-power.
90 Watts is probably the 'input' max. I guess so before the transformer and losses.
The splined rubber baby buggy bumpers cost nothing additional and will fall off less.
Another company following the appalling trend of stating the STATIONs power capability and not the irons ELEMENT power! The iron's actual power may be in the product literature somewhere, but they headline a deceptive spec to bolster product appeal.
EEVBLOG Dave please test that iron as i think you will find that the power switch at front only turns off the display and power to the iron but there’s still power to the transformer, check how much draw there is on the power supply.
we have our soldering stations, hot air etc on a shared power strip that can be turned on and off with a easily reachable switch, and leave the switches on the devices themselves on. Bit annoying but works.
That's terrible, muriel
My Weller soldering station wasn’t that much more expensive. It works great
Don't mention Weller to Dave, lol!
I have a few Weller stations with the Curie temp tips and sometimes it fails to switch off and I find the end glowing red hot. I have to give it a whack to get it to regulate again. Simple design, but not very reliable
TS11 here ~140 Euro (with taxes, ~110€ without), so not really that cheap. A decent TS101-ish one with USB-C is about half of the price, hmmm.. My TS101 is driven by an older spare laptop power supply, so well..
Cut the tip open to see the construction? It looks like a removable tip like Hakko FX888 style except it’s crimped on.
The LCD made it look promising, but it didn't deliver. I don't think I'll ever replace my JBC equipment anytime soon.
I presume they don't sell a bigger higher thermal mass tip because they know they don't actually have the power for it?
Those tips look like Hakko T12. I wonder if they are cross compatible?
What i was wondering
They seem smaller. But my T12's are in the bunker so I can't readily confirm.
I've got a Quick 867DW+ hot air station paired with a Pinecil and an old clone of a Ts100 as a backup.
I've had the PACE for a few years now, and its very good. I'd have to say that its 95% of the functionality of a JCB, at about half the price.
I have noted that the PACE pricing has gone up faster than the JCB pricing, so these 2 companies seem to be the leaders in the soldering station market high pricing. Does this make them the best on the market? After many years of using both, I'm going to have to say yes.
Weller was once upon a time the leader but they seem to be a distance 3 place maker now (maybe higher sales volume, but not equivalent functionality).
Anytime you see a shake-proof washer with exposed locking teeth on the O.D., the engineers knew nothing about locking washers. The teeth need to be on the I.D. (hidden under the screw head) to do their job. "Outside tooth" lock washers are for other applications.
I do all my soldering with two weller irons that are over 30 years old I have changed the tips one time , put a small chisel on one the old tip is still new unused the other has a more chunky chisel the tips never wear out I do have a royal desoldering station and an atten hot air station used mostly for heat shrink even solder vssop packages with the wellers using solder wick. Picked up a lot of soldering irons over time never counted how many I have 240v , 32v , 12v, 48v note the wellers are 48v.
More Bobby than Dazzle. Not supported by any Shoefone.
The stuff I use all the time I'v put on a separate powerstrip, so when I "switch on the bench" the light, and soldering station etc all comes on automagicaly.
No need for any stupid power switches on the front, thank you verry much.
I have a Quick TS1200A
its a squeeze sensor, maybe this is the same?
Nope
Nope, manual specifically states that to wake it up you can:
1. Turn off the soldering station and turn it on again.
2. Press any key.
3. Shake the handle to resume the main unit from sleep.
Seen these for a while now, opted for a Jabe UD-1200 myself way back which takes regular c245 tips. Hot air station the old Quick one or an Atten seems the better choice. With these i feel they focussed too much on the aestetics and neglected things around that.
You don't wan't a sponge. You want a case of sponges. 🤣
Laser welding is getting on market. When will be laser sodding iron? Really good feature is metal doesn't get hot at all compared to other methods
0:20 😲 brb, gonna take a minute to recover from that peel-off being yanked
I will stick with my KSGER T12 units with custom firmware. They work fricken awesome.
I would say it's not only the heat capacity of the tip - as indicated by the non-indicating power bars the iron does not even seem to deliver the power. No way that this is even close to 80 W. You could have tested the power input from the ac grid...
What do you mean, it probably does do 80W but the coupling is terrible inside.
@@jaro6985 with a directly coupled heater inside the tip there is a limit how bad the coupling actually can be. You would almost have to intentionally thermally insulate the heater from the tip to get this bad performance...
@@uwezimmermann5427 If you've used and taken apart copy T12 cartridges you'd know the coupling can be terrible. You don't need to insulate really, there could be a gap of 0.1mm to the copper, etc.
btw this one is QUICK, not to be confused with QUICKO, which you probably referred to as being specialised in soldering equipment. well, I think so, at least. never can be sure about these brands.
Any diagnostic&fix video ahead? Maybe on 2 ch?
It looks like it can't read sensors, maybe some pinout issue ?
Random question @eevblog. Are you the troll caller Norman on John Laws radio station?
My 12 dollar T12 station from aliexpress has sleep modes and movement sensors, and a endless variety of tips to pick from.
They solder just fine and i can buy multiple and keep one anywhere i go. Of even hook up a battery to them and solder on the move. Honestly i don't see the value of expensive soldering stations for hobby use, except for bragging rights.
BTW. I've used Metcals and ERSA's and Wellers and I still pick the cheapest T12 option.
Edit: those cheap stations have a two step sleep mode where first they go to idle mode and drop the temperature, and after some time they switch off and moving the iron wakes them right up.
It looks like the power bar relates to the target temp. If the target temp is at target all is well, no extra power. I wonder if the temp is being measured not from the tip but someone else further up the iron. Maybe try dousing the iron with water to really sap the energy out and see if that makes the power bar jump? I mean if that is the case, now you understand what is going on but it still means it's kinda pants as a tool.
If its like T12 the temperature is inside the heater core and not really that well coupled to the tip.
I'm sure it would deliver 80W if you dunked it.
ever had that issue? it doesn't go in! just hits the sides
That's what she said.
was it also silicone : p
The tips look like a c115 o c210. Using a c115 with 45w I solder a transistor 45p40 package with a big heatsink attached with no problems. (I can't remove the heatsink because doing that I must desolder 50 tru hole pins and solder again).
Looks nothing like C115 or C210.
Metcal / Thermaltronics are my "go to" for soldering stations.
Can you do a review of the cheap FNIRSI dws-200? I am very happy with it and it is cheap. It seems pretty premium but I would love your thoughts on it, 200w and the handles and tips are t210 and t245! Best regards.
Did you get to try the Atten ST-1509? I was about to get their dual station but someone warned me you can't "cross the beams" or the thermal control goes ape. So I got two ST-1509's instead so they run on separate transformers and that worked super. Also, shame on you! Stop using a sponge!
The Aixun brand stations are a lot better and are compatible with JBC tips as well.
Don’t get the T3A. Unacceptable issues. Search TH-cam. Multiple amps of current flow out the tip.
Which would you recommend in this price range? Aixun T3A?
@@yotoprules9361 Yup. I have the 420D and its great. And heard good things about the T3A
I don't like it, they missed the mark completely. My daily JBCs would blow this thing out of the water.
Don't know why they don't just use an SMPS instead of the iron transformer
Its cheaper, lighter and more efficient.
@@simontay4851 It's not cheaper nor lighter
@@Rubacava_ i meant a SMPS is lighter and more efficient, though maybe not cheaper depending on the size of the iron transformer it is replacing.
Hey Dave, could you please review ifixit's portable soldering iron? Looks very nice
@Ðave, if you *want* a stand like your pace or JBC or whatever and do not accept any different form, then go with your Pace or JBC, maybe tell people that you personally don't like that form. But don't bother everyone telling them "this freaking stand is ...." (kind of sh....oot?), when this is maybe only your personal taste.
Nobody does need your sponge, if you already have that brass wool ready to clean up the tip and vice versa. While having to agree, that obviously the thermal capacity is not sufficient for proper working with most ground planes I cannot see proper technical objective advice from you. So, where is the benefit for your visitors?
And, yes, I do have JBC soldering station, so I also would prefer proper temperature readback being displayed on the display panel.
Never use the sponge on my JBC
It's still brand-new unused
Just the brass wool and clean the tips with contact cleaner and paper towel when cooled
Different strokes
🤷
not many do, as its cumbersome haveing to water it and it gets crusty..
so I have no issues that they drop that..if people want that they can just get a dedicated sponge that often will be way better then the lackluster they tend to implement into systems.
I don't even use the wool as well as for me just a piece of rosin covered soft cardboard seems much more convenient. But there are different personal preferences and many people swear by the sponges and accept nothing else.
"to push that in to actually pull that out"..... 🤔 I restrain myself from more comments...
0:22 Just no.
It's not measuring tip temperature. Must of element temperature.
I noticed when you switched from 303 -> 400 -> 303, the ramp down skipped a huge range. Like it hadn't finished heating before displaying "400". The first time you went down the 400 it ramped down a lot smoother.
Also explains the pathetic heat capacity on the ground plane, it has no idea how cold the end of the tip is.
Yeah, it's weird, it does seem to ramp the reading a bit but then just sits at the set temp.
@@EEVblog I wonder if the ramp-up is a side-effect of a rolling average routine and in fact it's not reading the tip temp for some reason (eg faulty hardware)
Not displaying live temperature is a Chinese culture thing - Mianzi. Showing temperature drop would be equal to conceding defeat. I wish I was joking :(
Hard pass. Irons should get ... Hot
Seems even portable Pinecil performing better.
Gimme a Yihua any day! This seems like a lot more money for an overall 10% better product! Plus it's getting close to "real" soldering station money...
I'm only a beginner but my Yihua 2in1 soldering iron seems pretty good to me, never had a problem with it, however the hot air station isn't great, I'm going to upgrade to an Atten 862d and keep my Yihua just for the iron I think.
"have you tried it with confidence?"
Since it has no live temperature display, you don't know how fast it heats up. Just rolling up the numbers on the display at startup is more like a screensaver.
Completely useless!
That's terrible Murielle!
I think I will stick with my good old trusty Wellar.
The iron is very similar to the latest PACE style.
there's a new ts101 now, can you review that?
I'll stick with my 50 year old Weller thank you.
This just reminds me that I should buy pace ads200
ADS200 is not that great, he reviewed that one as well. Can get much better performance for the price. If you don't care about performance get the pace.
Everyone i know what had a Quik iron did not like them, The hot air on the other hand I own a TR1300A and and TR1100 and they are great.
11:23 Doesn't this mean it will go to sleep while you're using it, since it can't tell that there any motion?
14:50 resistors are glued
Very Useless indeed, a soldering Iron should display the realtime tip temperature as you solder different solder junctions. Especially when soldering on a metal code PCB, the temperature tend to go down significantly and this should be displayed on the display.
The sensor in the handpiece must be gǒu pì from a Temu manufacturer. in other aspects, it's down to a lesser average because the resting pit for the pen is so openly loose it just can't seem safe enough to work with in the first place. i've handled equipment like this while repairing at work and i know it can be 10x better and easier than this.
We have an older version at work and it’s OK…