Toronado Tragedy: Here's why UNSAFE single jar master brake cylinders are DANGEROUS old car hazards!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2022
- In a follow up to one of the vehicles from the last collector car auction, this is the story of the Toronado tragedy. It's single jar master brake cylinder failed, causing a crash. Later in the video, there are tips to maintenance and upgrades for your vintage vehicle, to prevent thus hazard. Tips given are for general information, and not intended as specific mechanical advice.
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Sounds like another case of someone wanting an old car but has never driven one expecting it to drive like a modern car.
Great video man! I think the most commonly overlooked system is brakes! Just because that car has a single master cylinder does not mean the car is dangerous! Dual master cylinder will fail and cause the exact same results. Lesson to be learned here is rebuild your brakes completely if you car is not being driving daily. Make sure your park brake or emergency brake is working! One final thing to always remember when driving a old car is its a old car and stops like one! Have a good one Buddy 👍
Nothing wrong with single circuit brakes, if the system is in good order. A neglected dual circuit system can also fail.
Glad you made this video to spread awareness. Help save lives and classics.
Alliteration aside, a tragedy is when someone dies. Just a damned shame about a beautiful survivor. Totally agree with you on single jar braking systems, as well as brake lines and hoses. When you get geeked about getting an old ride, don't forget that it's an oldie that probably weighs several tons, and optimal brakes are needed to stop that behemoth. I will always trade safety for authenticity - double reservoir master's are where it's at, even with drum brakes. Well maintained drum brakes with new wheel cylinders that are often obtained cheaply through Rock Auto can always stop your ride just fine. A very timely message for all your old car enthusiasts. Thank you!
Ahh but what is life without linguistic casustries??
I missed the alliteration.
What a shame that was a beautiful looking car. I hope he was ok after that..
There is nothing wrong with a properly maintained single reservoir system, any braking system can fail from neglect.
I bought a '69 Dodge with super low miles that was always parked indoors. The master cylinder blew during a safety inspection and got changed. A year later a rubber brake line blew and my mechanic said that other than the master cylinder the whole brake system was original. It already had almost useless 9 inch drum brakes. We ended up changing everything. I felt lucky the brakes blew while I was parking it and was going slow.
Great advice.
I'm happy my 68 has a powered dual system. I see this and it breaks my heart. It could have been a lot worse. Thankfully no one was badly injured
Thanks for the heads-up!! The 66 Tornado is a classic Ive wanted for anlong time. I have read some owners change the braking system to disc brakes. The 4 wheel drum system was one of the major reasons why the 1st gen Toronado failed.
1966 was the last year for the single reservoir. The 1967 Toronado had the dual reservoir.
That makes for a bad day that 66 had a good rust free body ..😢 I would have stomped on the emergency brake anyway hope the driver was ok
Sad day but hopefully it will help educate others and maybe even save lives.
What a shame. Looks like a lovely car. I have one of these but luckily dual master cylinder and disc brakes fitted. I do have a lovely 66 Lincoln that is still single master cylinder. I have the dual kit so this is a good wake up call to fit it. Thanks for sharing this warning to others and sorry for your friend.
Great info. I lived in Arizona for years and did lot of buying and selling cars that had been sitting in the heat for years. If I found a car I was going to keep, the FIRST THING I would do was replace all the lines, wheel cylinders, hoses lines and upgrade to a dual master as you mentioned not to forget belts and hoses. Arizona does NOT have safety inspections and therefore cars get beat and left to rot. I Also replaced the front wheel bearings as NO ONE ever thinks to do them. Was it worth it?? Absolutely for safety reasons. Shame about the Toronado, but I saw a few mishaps in Phoenix due to failed brakes or seized wheel bearings. Thank you for stressing this. Just because it LOOKS OK, DOESN'T MEAN SQUAT. Better safe than sorry.
Always press brake pedal very forcefully as a pre test in old cars. If it fails know it before drive.
Keep park brake functional an as effective as it can be for a bit of backup braking.
The brake lines might be rusted and high pressure test ( by stepping hard on pedal ) at stop will prove if serviceable.
Of course braking one of most important systems as steering.
My pickup is now 71 years old and been road worthy all those years by maintenance.
Another PSA to go along with this: just don't drive old cars until you or a professional goes through the entire brake system completely and thoroughly to begin with. You don't need to upgrade the system to a dual circuit system, you need to go through the existing system properly before driving it. A car like this would have required a rebuild of the master cylinder and new brake lines and wheel cylinders before driving anyways, knowing how original it was or how long it's been since it was serviced to begin with. I wouldn't have driven it without going through the brakes completely to begin with. At the same time, I'd feel completely safe using the stock single brake circuit system so long as it was properly serviced.
No better way to learn than the hard way! 🤠👍
How come he didn't pull the E brake?
Big American cars from the 60s and 70s didn't have parking or emergency brakes you could "pull" like that. They had pedal parking brakes. If you pressed it while driving, it was not a good thing!!
@@chrisclermont456 So hitting a tree instead of locking up rear brakes by emergency brake is better? lol. I repair and build vintage cars for a living and have only had to use an emergency brake twice
@@haffrods7055 The rear brakes do very little to stop a vehicle, and are easily locked-up. When you lock the rear wheels, you'll likely lose control of the vehicle too. 70-80% of your braking is done by the front wheels.
@@exDrBob1 So hit the tree instead? I guess since I've been driving vintage cars for decades and have used the e brake on occasion with failed brakes, I'm dumb. Next time I'll aim for a tree.
@@haffrods7055 Go ahead and lock up the rear wheels-you'll learn the hard way. And don't bother aiming for anything, the car will go where it wants. I've been driving vintage cars since before they were vintage.
Same thing happened to me in my 68 baja bug. Single master. Just had the shop check it out. Went to stop. No brakes! Pulled the e brake! The cable broke! Chose to drive her into giant blackberry bush! Had to climb over the top to get out! We got lucky! Thank God!
I had the same thing happen with my 64 Fairlane 500 Luckley when it went out i was about to turn into my parents house and we lived on a hill and i managed to stop it on the hill....HOOO that was a Ride! Talk about White knuckle!!!!The Emergency brake had not worked for years! And it was a 4-speed which made it easer to Stop than an Automatic!
Must admit...It was quite the mind-blower seeing that thing all "pristine" at the auction then later it's not much more than a hunk of junk just sitting there waiting to have parts robbed off of it... 😯😳
Valuable information for all those who purchase their old “Dream Car”. Thanks for the graphic heads up!
Thankfully the driver wasn’t killed. Very sad that such a lovely solid car got totalled!
great info! your excellent video will surely positively impact many people! security is of the upmost importance. great vid!
A true classic, thanks for the word's of wisdom.
From the video this car appears to be fixable
Damn near any car is fixable- but💰at 💰what 💰cost?💰 🥺
The most important thing with a car is not if it move but can it stop. Sad!
Tragedy indeed, she was gorgeous example of a design & engineering masterpiece.
I want to thank you for this Public Service Announcement it really needed to be covered. The Tornado Tragedy can be her death of one less Tornado classic on the books or if someone was absolutely determination to save her life it can be done …to and return her right side front end as she was. To find a donor Tornado to save this this precious girl.
I choose the latter.
As an owner of a beautiful 66 Survivor Olds Toronado, I can only say, this is such a shame. You know, though, I've got to look, I don't even know if I've got a double brake cylinder? I'm already using my original recalled unreplaced Carb.......I'm getting under the hood of mine quick to make sure this doesn't happen to my Toro! Thanks for this video...such a shame here.
Fix the car. Once it's gone, it's gone. Bring it back.
Good information.
I actually owned one of these in High School but it was white. The owner thought engine was blown but turned out it was a 50 cent brass bushing that was frozen up in the starter bendix lol. Pretty powerful cars…shame what happened not many 66’ around.
Oh I saw a 1965 AMC Rambler Marlin in the back
Swapping out a single jar on the 62 Corvette I'm working on tomorrow. Upgrading from that to a power disc system from Wilwood for this very reason. What was once considered a safe system isn't so much anymore.
Very good safety video I hope people out take it seriously also when the rubber hoses on the front calibers become plugged they can pull quickly pull you to the left or right depending on what side you could hit the car next to you. Looking forward to another video be safe out there.
No calipers on the 66 Toronado. Four wheel drum brakes!! 😮
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Don't get me wrong, I am VERY glad your friend is alright.....but this is one of these videos where we would probably mourn the loss of the car as much as celebrate your friend's survival. That was a beautiful beast and there aren't many of them left.....especially not with that provenance. The Olds Toronado is one of my all-time favourites and is up there with the Buick Riviera and Skylark. It's truly a shame if it cannot be straightened up and driven again.....
I lost brakes in my '74 Triumph Stag midway through a 40 mile cruise around the bays near my home. One corner, the brakes were there and the next, the pedal went to the floor. As the car has a manual gearbox, I threw it down a gear and got the big V8-powered convertible around the corner and using the box and the handbrake, was able to pull her up.....so I consider myself very lucky in that regard. The Stag has a boosted dual-reservoir master cylinder that is split front / rear. However, it was the seal at the centre of the main piston in the master that gave up and when I looked at the fluid in the reservoirs when pressing the brake, it didn't rise and fall gently when pressure was applied and released like normal....but what it DID do was fountain the brake fluid in both of the reservoirs when the brake was pressed. It just squirted up out the hole in the bottom of each reservoir like someone put it under pressure with a squirt gun. No pressure was being sent to the wheels at all. A stainless steel re-sleeved and re-kitted master cylinder later, the brakes were working fine again.
There was no warning before the cylinder let go - no mushy pedal, no pedal drift to the floor at lights - nothing. One corner the brakes were there, the next they weren't. I've been through the system since replacing the master and either replaced or rebuilt everything in it. I learned when I was a young fella that this was the way things must be done for two reasons - Firstly, if you replace an old master, the extra pressure could blow out a line or a tired seal on the slaves. If you replace a pair of slaves, the back pressure could upset a line or a seal in the master. Best to just do them all.
The second thing is that you have four small spots of rubber between you and the road. These four small spots of rubber have to be in excellent condition to be able to turn the car or pull you up quick. A tyre might look like a huge surface, but it is only the bit in touch with the road that has any say in which direction you go. If your brakes aren't working the best they can, then these four spots of rubber cannot do their job properly and likewise if the brakes are spot on but your tyres are old, having new brakes means nothing. The two go hand in hand and remembering this all these years, I have gotten out of a number of tight spots where if one of those two components had been off, I would not be typing this right now.
Appreciate the video on the pitfalls of single reservoir cylinders and will keep it in mind for when I do the brakes on my 1977 Mini. All the best
Very good information Lance, thank you for taking the time to share it!
no such thing as diagonal brakes.....the rear brakes are always fed by just one line that splits too two on the rear axle. and if you blow a line in a dual circuit going fast or down hill your still more than likely F'ed...... heck i had a 85 riviera (same drive layout as the toronado) and the front caliper blew as i went to try and make turn onto a county road and instantly lost all brakes. luckily the parking brake still kinda worked and got me slowed down enough to stop.
I've experienced several brake system failures on the dual-reservoir master cylinders and I am not at all convinced that they are any better than a single-reservoir system. I was well-versed at downshifting and using the parking brake, while keeping my vehicle speed low on back roads to where I could get the repair done. Go over to Uncle Tony's Garage channel as he just had several recent videos on brake system failures and how to deal with them. Everybody that drives these older cars should know what Plan B and Plan C are!
due diligence in servicing this car would probably have prevented this problem huh
What a shame and loss of a great car ! Hopefully your friend wasn't hurt too bad either.
I just wanted to say to all the people that are saying he should have done this or that etc. Yes I agree as these are the types of cars I drove in my teens and I personally have owned my 1966 Toronado since 1984. But and this is a huge BUT ….. when something like this happens some people panic and don’t think quickly or just freeze up and panic. In this situation every second matters! I lost my brakes once on my 65 Tbird convertible driving about 30-35 mph on a 2 lane local road. Luckily it was late at night and not many cars on the road. I had a red light coming up. I pressed brakes went to the floor. Tried pumping no go! Next was I downshifted you first gear and slammed on my parking brake. At best the PB slightly slowed me down but the down shift helped the most. Next part is Hollywood style lol there was a car in each lane ahead of me and I started honking and flashing all while doing everything mentioned. Neither car moved through the red light so at that point my last option was hit the rear of the car in front of my or jump the concrete median that was about 7-8” high and like 3 feet wide. No cars were coming on opposite side so I gently steered into the curb median to jump over it. To my surprise I hit it at just the perfect angle as the car went over didn’t bottom out, the rocker panels were unharmed etc. Not a scratch and zero front end damage. At point of jumping median I was down to about 16-18 mph I then made a hard left in the intersection and stopped about 50 feet from it! I was shaking a bit then got out to see if I had damaged the car at all. One of the drivers who was stopped got out and asked what the hell happened asked if I was drunk or fell asleep”? I said no lost my brakes! He replied man you really know how to drive! I literally handled that like my life depended on it ! I had and still have super fast reflexes even at 57 years old. And am calm and know what to do in these situations. It’s scary as hell though. I have had throttles stick, my mark lll caught fire because the ps line developed a leak and it goes from pump to wipers (they’re hydraulic) and sprayed on the exhaust manifold. It was dark I smelled something and pulled right over. When I got out I saw orange flickering light under left side of engine reflecting off the ground I knew right away FIRE RAN TOmy trunk ook out a blanket and a gallon of washer fluid I had. Smothered it with blanket then poured the washer fluid over it and it was out. To get home I was thinking now what ? Being it’ gets pressurized from ps pump I thought if I disconnect it I can drive home. Only had a knife in the car no tools so I cut the belt. It got me 45 miles home without reigniting ! Lolololol. I can tell you a 5000 lb Mark lll is a bitch to drive without power steering working lololol. Good times from my past. ! 😆👍🏼
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That car came with a Emergency Brake. To bad panic came in effect.
The rear brakes do very little to stop a vehicle, and are easily locked-up. When you lock the rear wheels, you'll likely lose control of the vehicle too. 70-80% of your braking is done by the front wheels.
What???? Nooooo!!😭
Aww man well thanks for the info good advice
WOW That’s crazy story at least no one got hurt
Ouch, that's an expensive hard lesson to learn. Hopefully your friend the classic car dealer came away unscathed.
Ugh! Was really impressed by condition of that one and rooting for new owner. Guess the emergency brake didn't work...? So much for yet another vintage ride.
I think I might of tried using reverse to try and slow down some as transmissions are rebuildable, this would take some great undertaking to save... its sad it happened
Or parking brake
@@tubesockoctagon1884 that's the first thing I would have tried, don't know why it didn't happen
What a shame. Hope nobody got hurt.
they dont call them suicide master cylinders for nothing!!!thats the way they were back in the day!!!
All that sad damage for want of a $30 master cylinder.
You all ever heard of pre trip inspection
Really man! I guess they was in to much of a hurry to make that quick flip cash👍
The brakes are one part of a car that can kill you if they malfunction. Others are seat belts and airbags.
Although Im not a Toronado fan , that's ashame. That was a good original car. Must have had frame damage. I had only one car that had a single reservoir. Smart upgrade. Sorry about the Olds.
Bummer. :(
I bought a car that was 5 years in storage the first thing I did was new brakes all around
Dang. What a shame.
I'm not a fan of the single port master but this is negligence. Cars drove decades with that setup. Any car person worth their salt would have done different imagine selling a death trap and someone getting hurt.
Did they part out the car? I have a Toronado and could use some of those parts, please let me know.
What a tragedy.
Hopefully nobody was injured.
Parking/emergency brakes - it is not uncommon to see them disabled because at one time in the past the brakes got stuck on and the cables were cut off, or the levers inside the drum brakes were removed years ago. They're something many people say to use every day or never, because they did tend stick on often if rarely used.
I agree, especially on automatic transmission vehicles where they are not used to hold the car when parked. I see them disabled a lot in this area. Here in Kansas and the central plains, it is so flat that the necessity of using a park brake is something we just don't even consider... and, unfortunately, if not functional, they are useless in an emergency situation!
@@mr.goodpliers6988 100%. Thanks for the videos.
@@mr.goodpliers6988 Northern states get the same. Nobody wants the bad day of using the parking brake at -15deg and the freeze in the applied position. So they wind up rusted in place from lack of use/hard winter salt roads. That car doesn't look totaled to me. Is there some frame damage? Even then, running driving complete might be worth the frame swap. It just looks like there's too much left in it for the write off. Thanks for sharing
In 1967 it was mandated that all cars have dual line and master cylinder only two cars had dual braking before 67 the cadillac and AMC division. The 67 Toronado had factory dual braking and front disc brakes where a option not many where produced it would be worth it if you can find one this car with driver on board weight 5000 LB..a.car that heavy needed disc brakes.....
Was it the new owner that wrecked it ?
😥 😢 😭 damn it, what a beautiful car she was.
I have to ask, did he try the emergency brake? I had a ‘65 Grand Prix with the same single pot master cylinder, and had a rubber brake line fail. The pedal went right to the floor, and after a moment’s panic, I tried the parking brake. I about put myself through the windshield, but the car stopped. I had to do this a couple more times, and it wasn’t pleasant, but I didn’t destroy my Grand Prix. Just a thought I had, having been through it.
Exactly man!
Lol you are more likely to hurt yourself or someone else with the parking brake than to help. More often than not it's going to lock up and spin you around
@@claytoncoolidge992 Perhaps we should all go back to drivers ed class. How fast are we driving?
@@donshotrodgarage1717 speed doesn't matter in this regard . It's pure and simple science. Most people have no idea how a parking brake works. It's not the same as a hydraulic brake operation and it's meant to hold a vehicle from moving when stopped. That means it's designed to lock the tire. It's not meant to be applied while the vehicle is moving. It's not an emergency brake. It's not designed for that type of usage. Can it be applied and used to stop by someone who understands the operation of it? Yes if properly applied it will slow and stop s vehicle. But in a panic situation even most of the people who do know how it works are not going to prevent themselves from over pressuring the system and lock the rear wheels up . Science wins in this situation. For one the loss of traction has now taken the rear tires from the same speed as the front tires and made them gain speed from the loss of traction science proven anytime anything looses traction (resistance) it actually gains speed (think about locking up brakes on ice you not only lose traction and steering but also gain speed). So now the rear end of the vehicle is moving faster than the front so only one thing can happen in this situation and it's the same reason why the parking brake is often used to do doughnuts in a front wheel drive car and the same reason why a rear wheel drive vehicle wants to fish tail when the rear tires are going faster than the front tires. The rear tires are going to try to pass the front tires and now not only is the vehicle turning to either side and not stopping it's also occupying more than one lane of the road and the direction of impact is now in the weakest and most dangerous part of the vehicle the sides. When you have lost brakes and there is no way to avoid impact with something your best and safest point of impact is with the front of 😛 vehicle in the most straight line as possible as that's the way that vehicles are designed to absorb the most energy and be the safest they are going to be. It also limits the impact to the other object in this situation most likely another vehicle to the one that is directly in front of you. Instead of the sliding out of control vehicle that is going to impact withe multiple things instead of one and impact with them in a way that is not nearly as safe and makes the level of injury increase drastically. Most of the time when you find out that you have lost all brakes it's too late to do anything but quickly see if there is a opening to go through and hopefully not have cross traffic or the best thing to hit and prepare for impact. Brakes are generally most likely to fail in a complete fashion on the hiway at higher speed due to the fact they are not used nearly as much as in traffic on surface streets. The more they are applied the more likely that the driver is going to notice that they are not working properly and likely stop before they completely fail.
@@claytoncoolidge992 In my case, I was in a residential neighborhood, with a speed limit of 30 mph. The first thing I did when I realized I lost my brakes was downshift into low. I had to stop for a stop sign, and that’s the first time I used the parking brake. I applied it as gradually as I could, but locked the wheels up anyway. I wasn’t all that far from home, and only had to use the brake once more, and was actually able to coast into my driveway in neutral. I applied the brake once more, and the effect wasn’t quite as violent the second time. I was probably lucky, and truly don’t know the situation the driver of the Toronado faced. I just know that I got home without crashing into anything.
Where did you get the diagonal thing from? Dual masters are split front/rear.
Originally, yes but mfrs. eventually went diagonal.
@@JohnShinn1960 On what cars? I have never seen this in working on cars since the early 1980s. Heard that the X-body GMs may have used it.
@@redmondjp Apparently with the start of front wheel drive.
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@@redmondjp Volvos used diagonal brake splits since the 1967, in fact they were designed so you would always have 3 brakes working if one pot of the dual master failed. Of course it cost more to do so most manufacturers didn't adopt it.
Nobody's Show Channel, Has One Of Those In His Yard, I think...
Unfortunately people who sing the praises of these “all metal” older cars forget about all the unseen parts that are subject to inevitable decay. There has not been a car made in the last century that does not have rubber, plastic, or even leather parts that are crucial but yet have deteriorated if they have not been replaced. How valuable is the originality of that single jug master cylinder when it becomes a rebuilder’s core?
The cars still over 80% complete. Deffo can be repaired if will is there rather than be a parts car.
ALL older cars had single master cylinders. Every single one of them. I have drove many old cars with single master cylinders. Brakes can fail in cars with dual master cylinders too. If this car was sold or being sold by a dealer, why didn't they go through it and fix any safety related items? In my 50+ years experience with old cars, especially ones that have sat for a long time, they need everything. All new brakes, steering, and suspension. Its just a given. Metal rusts, rubber rots. It has to be replaced. I currently have three old cars a '55, a '64, and a '72. I completely replaced the brake systems on all of them, and upgraded the '55 and '64 to dual master cylinders. I also converted the '55 to front discs. But if you are some kind of a safety fanatic, I wouldn't play with old cars. I'm not that concerned, I also ride motorcycles, including old motorcycles. Life involves some risk. If you are content with mere existence, you may be a little bit safer, but there are no guarantees, and look what you have to give up. You could live (I mean exist) in a sterile padded room, and still die at a young age. It sucks about the car. I've always loved the looks of those cars, but I won't own anything front wheel drive, so I never considered one.
Dang.
Looks like another video like the 1300 horse comet, what is wrong with these people.
The 1300 hp comet wrecked because of the sticking throttle and the guy riding the brakes not a neglected master cylinder and just like the comet video I’m sure the driver of this toranado had a chance to stop the car before this happened be had no idea of the brake pedal feeling funny and kept driving it anyway
That sucks
Agree with the comment, but as the former owner of 3 Tornados of this vintage and over 100k miles driving and repairing them, I am wondering about some of the conclusions here.
There is a of lack of information on the exact failure and damage. While I understand that diagnosis was not the author’s point, the master cylinder shown does not appear to be the one for this car? Where’s the brake fluid?
While master cylinders can suddenly fail like this, many will fail partially first giving at least some warning. This is because the master cylinder is essentially a pump with a rubber seal moving inside a metal bore. Deterioration of the seal and/or scoring in the cylinder causes leakage that causes brake failure.
Having worked on these cars, there are many other common brake failure points such as wheel cylinders, corrosion/deterioration of both hard and soft lines, etc. Toronados route fuel and brake lines through the frame rails because the car is so low. They can and do rust through causing immediate brake loss.
My second issue is that this car be relegated to parts status based upon observable damage.
I’d like to find where the brake fluid leaked, which may not be the master.
The area of most damage is where little more than sheet metal from external and inner fenders as well as the hood. The front engine cradle is also extremely tough also and doesn’t appear to have had a direct hit on either the cradle and half shafts. The right front rim doesn’t even appear damaged!
This is where lack of facts leads to wrong conclusions but I’ll bite to finish this example. If closer inspection shows damage to be primarily sheet metal and front end cradle damage is limited to some bent tie rods etc, fixing the brakes and remounting the wheel, gets you a driving car with a heck of a lot, hard (but not impossible to locate) sheet metal and front end damage.
Why am I trying to save this car? The first gen Toronado is an iconic car and 1966 is one of the best years. The car should be saved although it will be a big project to repair. I’m not looking for a project right now, looking for a restored car instead. But I’m just trying to ask the enthusiasts here not to write this car off without a second look.
By the way, where is this car located?
It was in north central Kansas. It has been sold to a new owner. I am not sure if it will be used for parts, or repaired
I just bought a '66 Toro with the single m/c & drum brakes. Im nervous as hell from all the reports i read about brake fade & u cant go just order a disc brake setup! If i upgrade to a dual m/c & have the brake lines/drums/pads gone over, will it be relatively safe to drive?
@@smoothoperator7023 Congratulations on your purchase. I think your renovation plan will work depending upon the topography where you live. My Toros were equally split disc / drum. Use was in Central New York and Southeast including Smoky Mountains. So, mostly rolling hills to mild mountains. Drum Cars we’re both ‘68’s so it would be worth checking to see if Olds made changes to the drum brake setup on the later cars.
Bottom line: I never had fade problems in this usage.
I am a hobby level mechanic and kept them well maintained. In driving, I do believe in using the capability of the car but never abused them or did “spirited” driving. So in this kind of usage, in this kind of topography, drums performed fine. If my experience matches where you live and how you drive, you just might be OK. Having said that, converting to Disc would be highly recommended due to the extra safety factor.
Hope this helps!
Out of curiosity, Was the trip around the block required to load the car or was it just a short joy ride? Also was that the first time the car has been driven any distance since it was out of storage?
Yeah, I also wonder it someone tried to do a burnout or a joy ride before delivering it to its new owner.
It's a possibility. The burnout, I don't think. His friend is a collector and I doubt that he would abuse a car like this if he is the one who was driving when it happened. I'm wondering if it was a short joyride and /or it was required to load the car. Here is my take on it, Based on what's seen and told in the video.. With the upfront knowledge that the car has been parked a long time plus needing brake work and has old outdated parts. Why would you drive the car period or any further than required distance to load it. I do understand the complacency mindset, But why even put yourself or anyone else at risk and take that chance. There are just too many things that could happen. Unless the person loading the car simply didn't know the car needed brake work. That's a possibility also and it wasn't mentioned in the video of who was loading it. Was it the owner or somebody that was hired to go get it. I know everybody has an opinion and comment about everything, But much like the Comet video this type of thing is 100% preventable. It's definitely a shame and I hope everybody involved was okay.
@@natevamosi5073 Exactly. We can guess what had happened. It could have been (and this is my guess) a delivery guy sayng "cool old car, I will do one short drive and load it on the truck, no big deal" and then finds out that the brakes dont work. In which case he will have to pay damadge/loss to the owner waiting for the car. Imagine wining an auction and having the cool car wrecked like that. The new owner already knew about the brakes not working🤔 Too bad about the car. Shes too far gone to be repaired.
@@oliverpetroski4205 We really don't know how bad the car is. He says "extensive" but there are good people out there that can bring it out of the depths of hell. It would be a major undertaking not mentioning the cost of everything emotionally and monetarily. That's why they have insurance. It's still a shame to see a car like that being parted out. Huge lesson learned.
@@natevamosi5073 Important lesson indeed. As far as the damadge goes as long as the insurance can cover for parts and really good bodyshop and mechanic its fixable, but if the price of repair is more than half of the price of the car or if its more than what the insurance does...
Hows the insurance on classic cars over there in The States?
What kind of dealer delivers a car without checking the brake fluid?
Sad News
These Toronados are rolling sculptures
The single master was the first thing I ripped off my 66 Galaxie.
Unencumbered by the facts and with very limited data, it seems to me that internal "flap" damage phenomena of hose blockage results from a mechanic using needle nose vise grips on the brake hose to expedite and minimize a caliper changing subsequent bleeding. Roughly 107% of mechanics do that. I'm a mechanical engineer burdened with information and never do that. I've likewise never experienced that. That's my data base. I think it's a thing. IMO no H.
Like Jeff Foxworthy would have a sign for that.....in stock. Fortunately, all instances of that I've heard about, the brakes just won't release.
What a Shame
1) how can you buy a car that's been standing for more then 6 months be just put back on the road, it's not the single system that's at fault it's not doing a proper job.
2) why is that a parts car now? looks very repairable! Shame that
3) why didn't he use handbrake
Looking for a hood and passenger front fender for a 1971 toronado , anyone out there have any ??? Sad to see another go !!!
Check with Browne Auto Salvage in Sunset Texas, John's Muscle car Parts in Wymore Nebraska, Watts Salvage in Wymore Nebraska, Purkey's in Coffeyville Kansas, or Nobody's in Great Bend Kansas
Are dual diagonal? I thought that, then was told it was split front and back. Which is correct?
they are front and back. never hear of them being diagonal. That would pull you right off the road
Front and rear is the most common. A few more modern cars had diagonal splitting - 4 separate lines.
Diagonal in more recent years.
Research it!
@@JohnShinn1960 with the abs and traction control going on these days im sure they are all independent by the time the fluid gets to the wheels
No E brake? sounds like someone was driving somethin they didnt understand, and going to fast to be in a car that was "Sold" My toyota that I am daily driving now ,sat inside a shed since 97 and is starting to have booster issues, so i just drive really carefull. i think this 90 toyota is a single resovoir but a dual valve...I definatly know it needs some help soon, but with 175 $ a year full coverage, the tragedy may not be as bad if i run into sumthin slow.
Sweet car.
Can't blame the single circuit master cylinder. Blame your friend that drove it, knowing that there was an existing braking issue already. He just ignored it order to flip the car for a quick profit. Unfortunately the beautiful Olds paid the price for your friend's ignorance and greed.
No mention of how fast that "trip around the block" was being performed. That aint no paper thin cheap metal todays cars are made with & to be crumpled up like that?? 🤔 P.S. can i get those door panels?
They don't build em' like they used too......for a reason.😂
I know where a car exactly like that one is sitting for sale.
Use park gear
I drove lots of cars with no brakes and I've been a good driver with no brakes on my own clunkers one
That is what the emergency brake is for. REALLY? What a waste. Mr Goodpliers you never mentioned the emergency brake
Sell the car then you going to have to party that was as much you might make just as much on selling the car then we'll park it out all depends on how much you want for it
Im not a fan of Toronados much so didnt hit me hard ! lol
No matter how tempting it is to drive it, PLEASE wait until it stops and steers RELIABLY.
Emergency brake failed too? Park will stop a car after a few hops. Just lazy maintenance. Only morons get out on the street before checking all brakes.
Every mechanical part works, until it doesn't. The brakes worked when the car was pulled out of the driveway
@@mr.goodpliers6988 maybe I was a little harsh, just glad no one died. I have stopped a car from the passenger side by throwing it into park. From about 45 mph it made a few hops stopping just feet from a barricade. The driver had past out.